Just bought this, what am I in for?

Getting filtered by the tutorial boss.

Disappointment. It's a weak Souls clone, should've gone for Lies of P instead.

>>715560453
its not a souls clone

>>715560585
Idiotic take.

>>715560447
If I can do it, so can you

It's a great game, absolutely love it. Fuck the people comparing it to Souls games.

The combat is very smooth and satisfying once you get a grip on it, although it does have a steep learning curve. The first two actual bosses are real trial by fire bosses, once you've downed those, you can handle anything.

Will I be alright if I beat Sekiro, but that was the only Souls-like I've ever played?

>>715560984
Nioh is piss easy unless you gimp yourself willingly. Ninjutsu/onmyo and living weapon are crazy powerful. They gave zero fucks about any kind of balance.

>>715560984
Sekiro is really neat but compared to Nioh it's way too forgiving (charmless should be the default mode), in Nioh you can die in seconds. And people saying it's easy are the same that have +400 hours in each souls or monster hunter and then cry it's too easy.
But yeah it's cool, you will be fine.

>>715560453
>lies of piss
i don't play gookslop

>>715560453
this is /v/ not /lgbt/

>>715560634
idiotic anon (You)

the beach zone is too hard...

>>715560634
Its not a souls clone truly. It has his own indentiy

>>715560862
I got hardballed by the ice bitch.

>>715560331 (OP)
If you did use slow time magic, you did not beat the game. You are a cheater.

>>715560331 (OP)
Lootshit slop.
It's not like dark souls where the longswords have some differences between each other, even though they're in the same class. Or spears: some have a different heavy attack or whatever.

No. Here all weapons of the same class play the same (the first axe you get has the same moveset as a lategame axe: if they're axes they all play the same, if they're spears they all play the same and so on)

What changes? Numbers. That's it.
It's a lootshit game

>>715562604
Every Souls clone does something unique and different. From Surge to Hellpoint to Mortal Shell, every single one of them. They're still Souls clones. Everyone with even a half-working brain can tell.

>>715560453
>Disappointment. It's a weak Souls clone, should've gone for Lies of P instead.

Playing Nioh like a Souls game is the reason why you didn't have fun. The Souls formula is surface level only.

>>715562867
>steam tag
Retard

>>715560331 (OP)
pain, probably seethe too because there is quite the learning curve in these games

>>715562925
>no argument
Retard

>>715562867
You did not play

>>715562867
My favorite Soulsclone is Majoras Mask

>>715560331 (OP)
fun game. Annoying loot system. Gear and combat system that you dont have to fully engage with unless youre doing ng++++ autism.
Dont waste youre time exploring levels its not worth it, just go to the objective when you can.

>>715563103
>dont waste youre time exploring levels its not worth it, just go to the objective when you can
But you have to collect the little buddies

>>715561114
>Nioh is piss easy unless you gimp yourself willingly. Ninjutsu/onmyo and living weapon are crazy powerful. They gave zero fucks about any kind of balance.
That is what makes the first game great. Your gear and build is effectively dynamic difficulty. Unfortunately the second game inflated the health of enemies, probably because of all the cancelling you can do with yokai abilities.

>>715562963
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony

>>715563265
>>715562963

One of those few times were a game is rendered completely redundant by a sequel.

>>715563389
Feels like there's a bunch of those but I still can't remember more.

>>715563389
Nah, playing through late Sengoku Era as a white giga-chad in ancient Japan is awesome.

>>715562914
Even the devs themselves were very open and clear about it being a Souls clone.
It's a very blatant ripoff. Literally everyone can tell.
Except like 3 braindead shits on /v/ want to be "vidya hipsters" and therefore pretend their literal who bootleg game is something totally different just because what it rips off is super popular and as a hip teenager you can't be seen associating or liking mainstream games. So you pretend to like the shitty Bollywood version instead of the actual good stuff. A weird phenomenon.

>>715563245
>See a ninja hanging around at the corner of a ceiling
>Sniped his ass
>My arrow just go through him
Fucking bullshit

>>715563612
Cope

>>715563483
L4D, Hades uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>715560331 (OP)
Copy-paste

>>715563612
>Even the devs themselves were very open and clear about it being a Souls clone.
No, they said they were influenced by Dark Souls, and that influence is surface level stuff. Reusable checkpoints and one chance to reclaim your currency on death are about it. Even that first point is more a Metroidvania feature than Dark Souls.

>>715563683
>See a ninja hanging around at the corner of a ceiling
>Sniped his ass
>My arrow just go through him
>Fucking bullshit

Only delusional faggots think Nioh is perfect in every way. Game is riddled with jank.

>>715564079
Oh please. You think it's just two things? The games share the exact same overarching design ideas with the punishing difficulty, asshole enemy placement with ambushes and traps, opening up shortcuts, same RPG character progression, new game plus with increased numbers and more. It also goes down to the mechanical details like not-bonfire shrines respawning enemies and replenishing your capped not-estus and spell casts, stamina management, losing level up currency on death that you can recover if you make it back, backstab fishing human enemies, other players' phantoms showing up in your game, i-frames on dodges next to blocking and parrying, a ton of throwable/usable items on top of fighting and spells, including weapon resins.

>but these were not invented by Souls!!!
Why would that matter? It's still *all* there in both Souls games and in the vastly inferior copycat Nioh. Name five action RPGs from before Demon's Souls that share most of these features. If you can't, then think long and hard about why that is.

>>715562867
>user defined tags
so your argument is that someone else on the internet who made that tag agrees with you? are you retarded?

>>715563612
>Even the devs themselves were very open and clear about it being a Souls clone.
Surely you have a source for that.

>>715564723
Hi chatgpt

>>715564723
Ninja Gaiden would be one of those 5. You will never guess who made those games.

>>715562785
>It's not like dark souls
Correct, it has actual combat. Great combat too

>>715564926
Yes too bad the progression is dogpoop

Slop

>>715560453
>go in expecting souls
That's why you're disappointed (and retarded).

>>715560331 (OP)
Really fucking weird difficulty spikes.

>>715564723
Thats all ninja gaiden

>>715564723
>backstab fishing human enemies,
You can't backstap fish human enemies in Nioh. Critical stabs only work if human enemies don't notice you, or they're in a out of breath state.

>>715564972
>combat progression is unlocking more moves and weaving them together using flux
>item progression is standard numbers go up
Great progression desu, not sure why you're crying

>>715564723
yeah, it’s such a huge souls clone that every retarded faggot that goes in and tries to play it like souls has a miserable time only using 3% of the game’s mechanics

>>715560331 (OP)
A really fun and challenging game with some really not fun and unfair DLC/post game content.

>>715564731
https://dengekionline.com/elem/000/001/523/1523637/
https://gamingbolt.com/nioh-director-dark-souls-had-a-big-impact-on-this-games-direction

>>715565103
souls progression shits on it any day of the week, especially because souls games (the classic ones at least) are short, with a focus on replayability.
You finish the game with a build, you restart with a different one. This time taking a shortcut to a more dangerous area to find that one weapon you need for your build.

Nioh gives you all the weapons of every class immediately and you arbitrarily pick one. From that point on you play the same exact moveset for the entire game, improving only the numbers. And the game is looooooong as hell.

>>715560331 (OP)
The start of peak

>>715565165
You can play it like souls and beat the game. I think that's exactly what most souls fags who went into this game did (if they stuck with it)

>>715565267
you can play with a shoe in your mouth too, doesn’t make you any less retarded

>>715565252
>are short, with a focus on replayability.
We must be playing different games then. Souls are sight seeing adventure games. I saw the cool ruins and I have 0 interest in replaying when the combat system puts me to sleep. Glad you enjoy it though, I'm sure the devs put a lot of effort into modelling those castles

>>715565015
I went in expecting something different and still only got a Souls clone. And a shitty game too.

>>715565429
Continue seething online I guess

>>715565417
You stick to your cookie clicker game, I'll stick with my kino

>>715565495
Peak irony.

>>715565517
>I'll stick with my kino
Good analogy considering there's little to no player input or decision making

>>715565565
Notice how all the criticism I threw at Nioh are valid, while yours are complete bs

>>715565591
>Notice how all the criticism I threw at Nioh are valid,
Where? You posted an opinion

>>715565729
wut
That's literally how the game works. Are you being dishonest or did you simply not read anything I said?
>Nioh gives you all the weapons of every class immediately and you arbitrarily pick one. From that point on you play the same exact moveset for the entire game, improving only the numbers. And the game is looooooong as hell.

>>715565214
>With the popularity of "Demon's Souls" and "Dark Souls" in the market, we decided to make an RPG
>We have very, very high opinions of the Souls series and it’s captivated a very wide audience, even here in Japan. Also, fundamentally that the game is very difficult, very challenging, yet very well-done and refined as a great action game. That part is in common with the past Team Ninja titles
Wow. they made an rpg. Must be a soulsclone.

>>715565783
Thought you meant your souls points kek. The nioh points are true, you find a weapon you like, you have a big ass skill tree to play around with and from there it's up to the player to play how you want. If you're from souls you can play in mid stance using 2 attacks. You choose how to play. The difference is that between those 11 or so weapons each one plays vastly differently instead of having 100 or so weapons with 2 attacks that have slightly different animations. Theres a bunch of other systems on top of that like yokai skills in nioh 2 that can further bridge down time between moves but you're an adult and if you cared enough you would have looked at those already. It's clear you either played briefly or for some dumb reason pushed to the end without having to see what the game has on offer, in which case I can understand why you're in here seething

>>715565783
that’s simply not true. the weapons feel completely different 1 hour in versus 60 hours in because of their skill progression.

>>715566254
You fail to understand that though Souls combat may be simple, it has a myriad of different weapons (and magic)
Nioh has a deeper combat but very few weapons, basically as many weapons as there are classes, because within each class there's no difference between different weapons.
Couple that with the fact that it's an extremely long game and you have a really bad combination imo

>>715566381
>it has a myriad of different weapons
Most of which boils down to the same thing in the end. Greatswords great axes and great hammer might technically be different weapon types. But they all play the same way in the end.

>>715566381
the weapons movesets in nioh are like 50x bigger than souls. you got a great hammer with a different R2, big whoop

I’d rather have the skill expression of a vast moveset. Bloodborne was the only fromsoft game to ever move in that direction and it’s still just a small fraction compared to what you can do with nioh weapons

>>715566582
Still more variety in weapons than Nioh.
The huge build variety + short length of the story is what makes the classic soul formula so great.
Bloated lootshit games like Nioh are pure slop by comparison.

>>715566381
I prefer nioh's approach. It has a lot more depth than I advertise when you consider how it started as an action game well before souls but was stuck in development hell. You have magic too and ninjutsu. Under the hood there's tons more to explore that's probably not that interesting to someone who's more concerned with the rpg part of arpg. You have shuriken cancelling animations, yokai skills that also cancel or apply elements, offer movement options, accessories that offer skills like stacking damage buffs with every distinct skill used or allowing you to reflect a projectile back at the enemy with a perfect block. Souls has the atmosphere in the bag but as far as combat is concerned I don't think it's even close.

>>715566679
>The huge build variety + short length of the story is what makes the classic soul formula so great.
>Bloated lootshit games like Nioh are pure slop by comparison.
Not souls, nioh is ARPG to the core

>>715560331 (OP)
A non souls experience

>>715566679
weapon variety in souls is different scaling and sometimes a different strong attack. it fucking sucks.

>>715566679
1 weapon doing 10 things will always be much more interesting than 10 weapons each doing 1 thing.

>>715566679
>Still more variety in weapons than Nioh.
How anon? Have you played nioh? I'm starting to think you haven't

>>715560331 (OP)
a really boring slog

>>715566089
It is.

>>715560331 (OP)
Fun

how do you play nioh properly?

>>715560453
It's better than souls, and Nioh 2 is the best game ever made.

>>715566701
>>715566886
I did play Nioh, I got to a different island and also defeated the duel guy who appeared back on the first island. Then I dropped the game because I felt I was doing the same thing just with bigger numbers.
Too long, too bloated, not enough variety.
Yes the skills are nice but the game overstays its welcome,especially for how repetitive it is. Upgrades to your arsenal happen very sparingly too.

Dark Souls on the other hand I can do a pyromancer build, and the game's over before I get bored with it. Start over and do some kind of hybrid experimental build, rinse and repeat. Much more enjoyable than a neverending cookie-clicker experience

>>715566784
>Not souls, nioh is ARPG to the core
Yes, Nioh is basically Diablo but third person. Not to my liking

>>715566827
Very arguable, especially when we account for other factors such as game length, level design (there are no environmental challenges in Nioh, compare that to some whacky place like Sen's Fortress), and more unique areas.

Nioh reuses its enemies a fucking ton. First time I saw the wheel it was cool, then you see the wheel a million more fucking times throughout the game it's not so interesting. Souls games have infinitely more enemy variety

>>715567008
learn to ki pulse and get flux asap. once that's in muscle memory, everything will come naturally from there

>>715566915
>Target lock
>RPG elements
>multiple weapons
Dark souls was a Zeldaclone all along.

>>715567008
By uninstalling it and playing a non-shit game instead, e.g. any From action rpg except DS2.

>>715567058
>Yes, Nioh is basically Diablo but third person. Not to my liking
Diablo with some ninja gaiden dna. It's as arpg as you can get. Unless you don't actually like arpgs and just enjoy souls. Which is fine to say, don't be shy

>>715567154
I dont like borderlands tier lootshit, no

>>715567087
I don't play Zelda so maybe it was but I highly doubt it. It's crystal clear to everyone Nioh is a Souls clone, however.

>>715567058
>Souls games have infinitely more enemy variety
Look it's obvious that you are a huge retarded fanboy. But making up shit doesn't help you.
>Game length
You must really hate Elden Ring.

>>715567058
>Dark Souls on the other hand I can do a pyromancer build, and the game's over before I get bored with it. Start over and do some kind of hybrid experimental build, rinse and repeat. Much more enjoyable than a neverending cookie-clicker experience
I disagree. I beat every souls once with 0 interest in going back. Elden I even struggled to beat because I had to force myself to play I was so bored. With nioh 2 i easily clocked 200 hours on snoystation and another 300 now on steam. It's crazy how much time you can put into a game if they just add engaging combat

>>715567304
>Look it's obvious that you are a huge retarded fanboy. But making up shit doesn't help you.
Zero argument.
>You must really hate Elden Ring.
I do.

>>715567058
>souls
>souls
>souls
What non souls like arpgs do you enjoy?

>>715567058
>there are no environmental challenges in Nioh
you admit yourself you've barely played it. nioh has floor traps and giant boulders just like sens, dude

>>715567236
>When a game copies anything from the best game that ever gamed it's a souls clone
>When Dark Souls copied something from another game, it doesn't count and actually Miyazaki did it first anyway

>>715560331 (OP)
Why do Soulsfags always flood Nio threads when Niohchads don't do the same with Souls threads?

>>715567502
*Nioh

>>715567502
>when Niohchads don't do the same
Busy playing nioh. Why would I go into a souls thread if I find the whole series boring

>>715567446
None now that I think of it. I don't like lootshit and it's a genre full of it. Dark Souls' unique take on it was pretty cool. Souls games aren't my most favorite games by the way, it's just the ones that are relevant to this thread

>>715567487
Ah yes I remember this one mongolian-looking dungeon with the statue dudes that had switches that would shoot arrows. Nvm then. Still cookie clicker with combat

>>715567502
why do winfags shit up linux threads?
why do tendies shit up deck threads?
it's insecurity

>>715567608
>None now that I think of it.
So you just enjoy going into arpg threads unrelated to souls and talking about how much you love souls?

>>715567697
This isn't a "Nioh fans enjoying Nioh" thread though, it's a guy who hasn't played it asking what's he in for. I told him, got responses from Nioh fans, and defended my take.

>>715567608
So you are just admitting now that your first action game was Dark Souls, that you never really played any other action games outside of Dark Souls. Yet somehow you think you know anything at all about the genre?
Are you Jason?

>>715567860
>action games
We were talking about ARPGs, now you moved the topic to action games in general? How dishonest of you

>>715567493
Souls took already existing concepts from dozens of games that weren't put together before. Nioh rips off nearly every key design element from one (1) game in the most blatant way, apparent to everyone.

>>715567304
>Look it's obvious that you are a huge retarded fanboy
The irony. Even the few retards who like the shitstain that is Nioh agree that enemy variety is just ass. But here you are, the king of the giga-retards and say that's not true.
You spend 90% of the game fighting undead soldiers, gaki and yoki with every mission having 1-2 recurring "rare" enemey type like the wheels or the tengus thrown in for good measure. Literal dogshit. Even a single dungeon in Elden Ring probably has more enemy variety than all of fucking Nioh.

>>715567771
>it's a guy who hasn't played it asking what's he in for. I told him
Kek you told him it's not souls then went on to talk about how you never played a non souls arpg, thanks for your input

>>715568151
>you never played
Never liked*
Dishonesty or dyslexia?

>>715567608
>Still cookie clicker with combat
I like both games, but this is just retarded. The skill expression and combat complexity of nioh is virtually unmatched for a character action game. In that regard it has more in common with something like DMC than it does souls.

>>715568037
>key design element
Ah yes. As always Souls games invented arpgs.

>>715568239
God Hand shits all over it any day of the week, though it's not an ARPG (which is a bonus btw)

>>715568140
>Even a single dungeon in Elden Ring probably has more enemy variety than all of fucking Nioh.
Yes. Plenty of enemies to count like sheep while I fall asleep

>>715560331 (OP)
trve kino

>>715568239
>skill expression
>character action
i like nioh and don't think it's a souls clone but you sound like a faggot

>>715566381
I really mean no offense but I've 100%ed souls and nioh and the descriptions you're giving legitimately make it sound like you haven't played either game to me

>>715568630
Right back at you I guess

>>715560331 (OP)
Thread already ran its course with shit flinging but if you enjoy the combat consider getting 2 since it develops the combat a fair deal

>>715568302
And then Nioh came along and invented shitty games that rip off good ones.

>>715568684
I understand. I thought about offering a more substantive response but its just not worth it if you're going to troll

>>715568789
That title goes to From's Ninja Blade actually

>>715568846
The fuck am I supposed to say to someone who says "my experience makes me disagree with you"?

>>715562914
I hate stance switching. It's the sole reason I dropped this game.

>>715568716
OP here, I went for the first game because it was cheaper, but I'm aware most consider Nioh 2 the superior game. I'll be sure to grab it if I like the first.

>>715560331 (OP)
KI-NOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>715568849
Not keeping up with the sarcasm, huh. But that's a good example, actually. NB to NG is what Nioh is to Souls.

>>715569108
Hope you have fun. Don't take the thread too seriously

>>715568970
I eventually just started doing it subconsciously because my muscles memorized the movements.

>>715566381
I didn’t get this problem, each weapon type in Nioh feels like a very different experience. While something like Dark Souls may have 11 different swords, the differences between them aren’t so vast as to drastically change how you play with them. Meanwhile the difference between sword, dual swords, and odachi is huge. Their movesets expand over time as you unlock new moves and use them accordingly. A sword is a sword is a sword in the Fromsoft games.

>>715569108
if you end up liking them and your also a sekiro enjoyer you should definitely check out wo long. its very divisive though, so you should pirate it just to see if you like it. a lot of people hate it but its my favorite

>>715567013
I love picking up the same weapon 10000x and having endless inventory clutter

>>715569535
Good!

>>715569496
Wo long johnson is pretty fun. I'm playing it currently

>>715567058
>Very arguable, especially when we account for other factors such as game length, level design
How does game length and level design have anything to do with comparing 7 unique weapons to 30 redskins? how is sens fortress your grand example of environment design? you know there's swinging axes and rolling boulders in nioh right? and every adventure game from the last 30 years for that matter

>>715569217
It's /v/, that goes without saying
>>715569496
Thanks anon, will look into it

>>715569845
>30 redskins
HEYAHEYAHEYA

>>715569376
Interesting of you to use weapon types when talking about Nioh, while using only a single weapon type when talking about Dark Souls.
You are also thinking in a vacuum: Dark Souls is much more about approaching different enemies, while Nioh reuses enemies a ton more.
Straining yourself to use a simple moveset against a variety of enemy patterns is much more interesting than having a single one-shot combo full of stacked buffs that you stomp Wheel Enemy #16031485 with

>>715569941
kek I guess my autocorrect is remembering my posting on /sp/ yes I'm a phoneposter sue me

>>715569845
Bottom line is Dark Souls (the original one especially) is a much more compact and varied experience. Nioh by comparison is a purely "numbers go up" game.

>>715570002
yeah it sounds like you just really strongly prefer souls so whatever but I never strained myself to use a limited moveset against different enemies in souls

>>715560453
go back, pleb

>>715570297
Yeah well, case in point: you can do an SL1 run of Dark Souls, but you can't do a level 1 run of Nioh since it's a lot less skill-based and a lot more numbers-based.
If you play both DS and Nioh nowadays, Nioh will come out on top in terms of difficulty, yes, but DS still remains infinitely more skill-based. That is: how good you are matters more than how good your weapons are. This is not the case for Nioh.

>>715570002
>Nioh reuses enemies a ton more.
Nioh 2 fixes this, since we're comparing a series.
>Straining yourself to use a simple moveset against a variety of enemy patterns is much more interesting
In practice it always plays out the same way, I roll through their opening move, hit r2 and wait for a follow up to roll through. I rolled my way through souls 1-3.
It's fine if you like that but saying shit like
>>715570167
>Nioh by comparison is a purely "numbers go up" game.
Just screams you not having played

>>715567013
When Nioh 2 opened another fucking tutorial for some unnecessary bloat after like 10h I got really sick of it.
The skill tree is garbage too

>>715570490
see>>715570474
I think that's relevant to what you're saying so I'm linking it rather than making a new post. It's 1 AM so I'm fucking off

>>715570002
Because the argument was that souls games have a “myriad of weapons” when quite frankly a large number of souls weapons could be cut for fewer, more defined weapons instead. The movesets for many of them are about as simple as it gets because souls games are as much rpgs as they are action games, and rpgs generally focus on ones build over mechanical mastery, so having weapons with simple light and heavy attack chains (if they get even that) makes sense. Nioh is more action oriented so weapons having a wider moveset makes sense. Not even the argument that “souls have more options with magic” is valid as Nioh 1 and 2 have 2 different magic systems with onmyo and ninjutsu respectively and any character can use them to some extent so it’s not an exclusively mage or ninja only tree. The games have different approaches to combat, that’s fine, I wouldn’t call The Souls formula better, but appropriate for the game they were making.

>>715570474
>but you can't do a level 1 run of Nioh since it's a lot less skill-based and a lot more numbers-based.
Huh? There are entire channels dedicated to nioh runs for level 1
https://youtu.be/lyJ_aDcWrng?si=KnyUO3x2CLITx-2q
https://youtu.be/nJdXuxt7ocg?si=zVEUS-OZQGepV7AG

>>715570474
>That is: how good you are matters more than how good your weapons are. This is not the case for Nioh.
I genuinely think you never played nioh anon if you believe this

>replay Nioh 1 because I never reached the last difficulty
>way of the strong is filled difficulty
>no new divine graces drop on demon
coming from 2 is difficult with all of its improvements, I'm trying to rush through the game spamming living weapon just to get higher level equipment, 150 +5 is painful on demon, though I managed to get a few 170 +11 loot which helps a little

>>715570474
how much numbers do or don't scale throughout the game doesn't determine the skill ceiling. nioh has more systems than dark souls, not just in terms of loot but in terms of moment to moment combat. this is pretty widely accepted and people who prefer souls generally argue for it from the environments, not from the skill ceiling or the combat

>>715570923
*filler
fucking autocorrect

>>715570923
if you do all the dlc for way of the samurai you can skip way of the strong entirely

the game is obviously inspired by souls but it's more actiony, also it's rad

I like both

>>715569256
That was my issue with nioh 2 (dunno about 1, didn't play it much). The stance switching and stamina system for me went from a distraction to muscle memory with no point where it felt like it added something of substance to the game. Would have preferred more varied delayed/directed/held inputs like NG did rather than making it modal and then trying to build a whole set of mechanics to justify the limitation.

>>715570474
>but DS still remains infinitely more skill-based
souls has not broken the mold of roll and R1 for 16 years. nioh has actually evolved and not just in terms of movesets, you actually have to manage your ki as well as enemy ki and play around ki pulse and flux to maintain aggression. even ignoring all the weapon skills, that alone is a big step above souls. it's like, not even a fair comparison. I don't even know why anyone would try to argue otherwise. this is like shooterfags trying to argue that there is more skill in their point and click genre than fighting games or rts. it's just patently false to anyone being honest with themselves

>>715569926
not that guy but just gonna say I've only played nioh 1 and wo long so far and I loved both. taking a break from action games and saving nioh 2 for later

What was the point of the splitstaff?

>>715571269
based videogames enjoyer

>>715560331 (OP)
>What am I in for?
KiNioh

>>715560331 (OP)
It's very fun. I finished it a few months ago. Currently playing 2

Nioh is better than Nioh 2. Fight me, faggots.

>>715573245
>Fight me, faggots.
In Nioh 1 PvP

>>715573940
Ok, but no omnyo and you have to play double katana. I'm rocking the kusa

>>715560453
>play a game like something it's not
>also call it bad
Is that a backhanded, falseflagging way of calling the game good?

>>715573940
>In Nioh 1 PvP
Speaking of multiplayer, I wish I got to experience it.

>>715576419
Does the PC port even have MP?

>>715573245
Nioh 1 has a couple of better levels. Nothing really hits in the second game like the first time through ocean roars again. That's about it though. It's a downgrade in every other way.

>>715576662
the level design is immensely better. In a game with a smaller enemy roster (which applies to Nioh 2 too) it's important to use level design to mix the encounters up to give you extra challenges and add variety and Nioh 1 does that way more than Nioh 2

While I love Nioh 1 more than Nioh 2 by a fucking mile, some of the levels in Nioh 1 are utter dogshit. The maze castle with the Obsidian Samurai is the worst of them all. Really boring and monotonous. I'm so glad it wasn't reused in the Abyss.

I love the fact that one of my favorite levels is also a real location. This is the IRL Ocean Roars Again Umi-Bozu stage.

>>715571803
To spam the blatantly overtuned High Stance Light extend attack which does damage comparable to entire attack chains from other weapon/stance combos with a miniscule amount of commitment, and if you're feeling fancy to melt the enemy with Dragon Dance when they're out of Ki. I assume it has other moves for some reason.

are the nioh games harder than from software's games or other soulslikes (remnant, surge, etc)?

>>715578637
It sort of depends, both games have mechanics you sort of have to ignore to make them challenges.

At the apex Nioh 2 is way harder, but that's on the 5th playthrough after the reused asset grind.

>>715578867
>At the apex Nioh 2 is way harder, but that's on the 5th playthrough after the reused asset grind.
Oh and sort of dependant on dice rolls. Sometimes you get a gimme bosses for the end, sometimes you get a nightmare gauntlet of Birdman into Eboshi into Hayabusa, or god forbid that FUCKING spider cunt.

nioh 1 is better treated as its own IP.
nioh 2 changes too much they should really rebrand normally i hate when similar games have different names but it's the call for nioh.

>>715579391
>nioh 2 changes too much
I have never heard this about the game that reuses 90% of the assets of the other game.

>>715578637
They have a higher skill floor and ceiling. but are easier once you have muscle memory down. They are definitely harder if you try to brute force them and play them like a souls game without taking advantage of the core mechanics.

>>715579391
>nioh 2 changes too much
Why are you such a lying cunt?

>>715579391
???
it changes so little that people regularly call it nioh 1.5

all it does is add yokai abilities and some more weapon skills. it's the same fucking game

I got hard filtered by Nioh 2 and the Ki Pulsing and stance swapping and quit. I have since played Stranger of Paradise (amazing game) and am currently playing Rise of the Ronin and am loving it despite getting a bit filtered by the combat for the first few hours.
Should I sit down and give Nioh 2 another chance when I am done? I feel like I should like it and maybe gave up too soon the first try.

>>715579774
uh yeah, aside from SoP's kino story, nioh 2 is better than those games

>>715578637
Depends on your ability to understand builds. You can make it as hard or as easy as you want. It's really unique like that.

>>715579774
>got filtered by core mechanics
Idk man, you're in ngmi territory pretty fukken hard

>>715580021
>fukken

>>715578597
I love the low stance hold attack where you spin the end of the staff, pretty much guaranteed big ki damage for guarding bitches

>>715579774
if you got used to Blade Flash, Ki Pulse is the same shit except not as vital as it is in Ronin. Instead of blood, you look for the blue swirls.

>>715580148
that's what got me thinking about revisiting the game. I read some people say the games have similar combat and mechanics, and I am loving RoR. I started with Odachi and Greatsword and moved to Katana because the quickdraw and Hayabusa-ryu are just too fun.

>>715564079
>and that influence is surface level stuff
>level design
>Stamin-I mean 'ki"
>Blood stains
>Phantoms
>Bonfi-I mean shrines
>Enemy design

>>715579774
Nioh is the same thing but the combat is significantly less linear, and gives you more opportunities to bully enemies than just waiting to counter spark their attack.

Every now and then I remember Nioh 3 is a thing and I get a nice feeling on the inside
Can't wait bros

>>715580716
think I will give it a fair several hour try when I am done with this game, then. I do think the combat is fun as hell, but not having to counterspark through super armor sounds nice.

>>715560331 (OP)
Mountains of crap loot

>>715562914
ok sorry it's a Sekiro clone

>>715562914
God the game is ugly. I really hope Nioh 3 doesn't look like ass. 1 wasn't so bad, but 2 really went overboard on the vfx.

Nue is the best boss in a non-FROM game, but every other boss is not very creative or interesting.

>>715560331 (OP)
Quite literally the best Soulslike/HacknSlash series ever made and the competitors aren't even close.

>>715561525
>Nioh you can die in seconds
only if you opt to do light armor instead of heavy which literally makes zero sense to do

>>715578637
Both Nioh 1 and Nioh 2 are significantly harder than average Soulslikes and FromSlop. But you can break the games a lot easier too.

>>715582342
>Nue is the best boss in a non-FROM game, but every other boss is not very creative or interesting

Nonsense. Nue has a striking design but that's about it.

>>715582720
His gameplay and moves are great. I can't say the same about the other enemies. I can forgive weak gameplay if the designs are good, but like I said, nothing as interesting as Nue (one is literally just a blob of water).

>>715582817
I find Nine Tailed Fox more fun to engage with than Nue.

>>715582817
there are countless cool humanoid and non bosses. sounds like you got filtered tbqh

>>715582720
I remember Nue was routinely kicking the shit out of people in the alpha demo until it was figured out how easily you could stunlock him with Isonade.

>>715583143
Nue has this quirk where after so many hits it gets hyper armor and two homing bolts of lighting. That is what screws over players. That's the noob trap, which is probably why Nue became memorable.

Nue in the optional Onmyo stage where you pair up with Fuku is one of the most ass crushing missions in the entire game. Not only do you have to defeat Nue, but at certain points, enemies spawn from all sides. Can be an absolute cluster fuck if you don't plan properly.

can i skip the first and jump right into 2? i got 2 from a bundle but not the first. they look fun but also i don't want to start the second if there is a bunch of required reading from the first.

>>715583465
Not really, most people who like these games just ignore the plots because they don't really care about Asian history. The first game in particular got dogged by a lot of reviewers because they found it too hard to follow.

That said if you do, absolutely play the first one.

>>715583465
do you care about japanese history or the story in a video game? start with 1, otherwise skip it and start with 2 since 2 is basically just the same game with more weapon skills and mechanics

Thoughts on nioh 3 alpha? I really enjoyed it though I can understand why people might have been cutoff by the changes. I liked the combat more than nioh 2 combat after I got used to switching out ninja and samurai stances

>>715583745
Not a fan of the open-world angle, what we got wasn't too bad but RotR really showed that Team Ninja shouldn't be touching those kinds of games.

Thought the bosses were good though even though the twilight mission headless horseman was just a reskin of Wo Long's Lu Bu.

>>715583610
>>715583702
i generally like story in my games and can follow most plots (even the most convoluted, schizo plots) with ease. but gameplay is most important when playing a game.
anyways, thanks. i think i will wait for a serious sale and get nioh 1 to beat first.

>>715583849
Didn't play wo long but it doesn't surprise me they refused boss assets. As for the open world, I think I'll reserve full judgement until the release of the beta/full game since it does feel a little bit half baked. I think it did a lot of in terms of how you approach enemies though and it was just fun naruto running around.

>>715584078
It's not like even the original Nioh didn't recycle stuff. That demon bird boss in the DLC was just a reskin of a Toukiden monster and most of Maria's moveset was recycled wholesale from that fuckwit with the mask in NG3.

>>715583140
>there are countless cool humanoid
Generic j-pop band samurai gets old very quickly, and this is from someone that likes the time period. The devs just have a way of making them super boring. Same with Rise of the Ronin, the majority of the Choshu and Satsuma characters are boring as fuck.

>>715584506
>Generic j-pop band samurai gets old very quickly
How does Maria fit into the J-Pop band samurai category?

>>715585309
Gackt

>>715564079
Reusable check point that respawn existed in ninja gaiden, way before dark soul exist

>>715585309
I want to choke and fuck this bitch so much.

>>715585783
>Reusable check point that respawn existed in ninja gaiden, way before dark soul exist
I know, why do you think I said Metriodvania. It has been a thing since the 80's.

>>715584263
>It's not like even the original Nioh didn't recycle stuff
>Toukiden

God damn. You can definitely tell a lot of stuff from this game was repurposed. Not saying that's a bad thing because it's obvious that stuff was revised, but seeing what I've just seen for the first time has made me realize that Nioh isn't as original as I thought.

>>715569108
Both are about guys you just met spewing their whole life's story and then a unicorn shrinks down and runs into your ear, but Nioh 1 probably has better writing.

If you have to keep on reaffirming that a game is good with fake new players posting in a reoccurring thread, that's usually a sign that it isn't.

>>715588305
>fake new players
retard

>>715588501
it's something his mentally ill ass would do so that's why he even thought of it

>>715584908
>RotR
How do TN manage to keep making their combat systems worse? Were Wo Schlong and Ronin made by b-team?

>>715588708
I like it, and I like they try new stuff even if they should just use Jack's Game as the combat basis every time

>>715588501
>Last played February 6th 2021

>>715586709
The new frost moon skills were kino

>>715588759
retard

>>715588741
>I like it,
Why exactly? It's like the read ever meme about Sekiro being a parry simulator and decided to make a game that was even more reductive. The combat flow and combo system is far worse than Nioh, and the game doesn't even have the decency to follow its own rules with things like Panic state being your turn to attack since most of the bosses can cancel Panic into a martial art.

>>715588854
It's 2025, have you been in stasis for four years?

>>715588870
because I was getting hard filtered until I realized the game ISN'T a parry simulator. Counterspark is strong, but they purposefully gave you moves that position and punish NPC wiffs, and blocking is strong too. As soon as I started keeping pressure up by dodging and attacking and also using blocking, it became 100% more easy for me.
That is not to say I like it more than TN's other combat systems, because I don't.

>>715588948
>hey guys I got filtered should I give the game a fair shot again
>ok thanks, will do
>HUR DE DURR FAKE PLAYARS I AM REEL SMART
retard

>>715589064
Why are you talking to an obvious schizo

>>715589064
It's always the same type of questions followed by the same type of replies. This place is autism central, and the one thing autists do is repeat shit for years on end. God I can't wait for Nioh 3 to at least reset the deck.

>>715589383
No, I'm pretty sure the only autism here is imagining that people are talking to themselves in role play to bump the thread instead of just bumping the thread

>>715560331 (OP)
A fun, but exhausting game. Would be awesome if there was no gear/repeating levels

>>715560331 (OP)
I'm having a hard time against this thunder lion boss.

>>715589010
Blocking is great until enemies decide to martial art, a good portion of which have Elden Spin tiers of tracking which again reduces the game to a parry simulator (or using a parry substitute martial art, which is basically the same thing). The devs need to go play Sifu so they can learn how to make a good parry focused game, or just stop trying and stick to Nioh because that shit works.

For nioh 2, what sort of gear should be on the look out for if im using a splitstaff? I've been using the red demon set since that increases damage against burning enemies and thats been helpful but I feel like i can do better

>>715560862
Apparently you can cheese the combat with tonfas.

You bought it? Not even on a sale?

>>715596115
the steam summer sale just ended, anon

Surprised they never had any octopus/squid yokai.

>>715567013
It's bloated mechanics wise and it's stance system is very meaningless. SOP and Wo Long are better because it ends up understanding how to make things complex while simple at the same time.

>you end up spending points on ninjutsu and magic anyway no matter what weapon you're maining

Eh

>>715560331 (OP)
Diablo 2 with retarded busy mechanic like ki pulsing.

>>715598024
So diablo 2 with gameplay?

>>715597898
Why wouldn't you? They are extra tools meant to be used.

>>715560331 (OP)
>what am I in for?

hips for days ;)

>>715560447
did i get filtered if i beat umi bozu and then got bored of the game soon after?

>>715562867
retards still call hollow knight a soulslike despite playing nothing like one except maybe losing currency on death, but that's not a mechanic ds invented.
if anything i'd say the souls levelling is the weakest part of the gameplay, since stats are more for equipping gear than actually getting any meaningful scaling from them. more like how diablo works than dark souls.

>>715571476
That guy is an idiot, but so are you for thinking the souls games are just R1 + roll. You're doing exactly what all those "Nioh just plays like a souls game" posters were doing by ignoring the game design, it's reductive and only shows that you don't actually know anything about the souls series.

>>715601608
hat ruins it