> 90% of the way there to get 1.4M signatures
> even in the worst case scenario regarding fake signatures we're already safe and when we get >1.4M it'll just be a flex

any last words corpo shills?

I saw briefly in another thread that Ross is going to talk to that MP that fully supports it, is that true? If so, that'll be interesting to see how a moldman talks to a politician.

>yfw all of the disingenuous shills about to come in here and make room temperature IQ arguments again
at least aquafag fucked off or killed itself

>>715564359
OP here. It's half-true. A VP (out of like 15) of the EU Parliament has endorsed the petition, signed it himself, and asked people to sign it. The team behind the petition is in talks to possibly have a chat with him. Whether it's Ross talking or somebody else is a bit of a question mark atm. But probably Ross.

i'd like to take a moment to say that i give absolutely no fucks about SKG but greatly enjoyed seeing malding faggotry's reputation crumble to dust, and for that alone this initiative will have been a great success even if it leads nowhere

>>715564495
Neat. All I know is that the VP is Romanian.

>>715563937 (OP)
by my calculations after they remove all the invalid bot votes it will have ~200k signatures

>>715564526
My pet theory is that most people who signed don't give a shit about live service slop, they just didn't want to disappoint Ross.

>>715564032
>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T FORCE DEVS TO SUPPORT GAMES FOREVER!
>what? you just want to the tiny piece of code for basic dedicated servers, so you can run them without relying on continued support of a publisher?
>AIIIIIIIIEEEEEE *short circuits*
>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T FORCE DEVS TO SUPPORT GAMES FOREVER!

Why do corpocuck shills meltdown when we ask for the most basic private servers? Why do they post the same strawman arguments again and again?
>inb4 it infringes muh heckin IP
>inb4 a server browser is too heckin complex

>>715564464
I'm here.

Just kidding, but I just realized how funny it would be to start impersonating him in random threads.

You should have jut used the Mana Gem.

>>715564632
It's not just about "live service slop". Companies have been testing the waters regarding this practice, and if it's not stopped now, then future games you actually care about might be built with a killswitch. And by the time you're personally angry about it it'll be too late.

>>715564526
Not everyone's goals need to align 100%. You can be in loose support for whatever petty reason you like.
Spite for the faggot gave us half of the signatures at least.

Reminder that this is all the initiative is asking for. It's easy as fuck to accommodate.

>>715564905
You're "debating" with Indian employees being paid to discredit the campaign and defend corpos. No arguments will work. Companies (and their paid shills) will always pretend like any and all regulation is completely unworkable and will immediately cause a full collapse of the industry the microsecond after it's signed.

>>715564748
>post funny bananaman
>redditors have a melty
Every time lmao

>>715565009
If it makes you feel better, the arguing gives exposure which means signatures.

Even with it slowed down, it is still hitting 10k sigs a day.
Bretty gud.

>>715564748
A server browser isn't even the solution per-se btw. A server browser relies on a central server that lists all the dedicated servers that are available, the game can't magically find them across the entire Internet.

The real solution is the ability to connect to an IP address directly, which is even simpler to build than a server browser. Of course, having a server browser is still great, but if you want the server browser to still be usable after EoL it'll need the ability to set the IP address of the master server, and you'd then connect to a community-run central server that will lists all dedicated servers that report themselves to said unofficial central server.

>>715563937 (OP)
>1.36m gamers are okay with killing future of gaming by making it impossible for indies to create web3 projects
shame on you all

>>715565262
Isn't the idea of web3 decentralization?

Think of the live service indie games, you monsters.

>>715565262
Wait we're making cryptobros angry? Dude, I already signed the petition. You don't need to sell it to me.

But now that you're let me know that cryptobros are angry I think I will step up my efforts to get friends to sign it also.

>>715565327
Well how do you let players self-host a web3 app? You can't, you just can't.
Did none of you think of that?

>>715565262
I know this is bait

>>715565359
The cryptobros don't care. Their "games" don't have normal gamers as their target audience.

>>715565431
Doesn't sound like web3 to me, or at least that's how I was sold web3 when crypto and NFT were the hot new thing.
I thought the whole point is that you didn't need a centralized authority for it.

>>715565502
Well how are players going to mint new items if only the server can do so?

Man software devs are always screeching when they have to adhere to higher standards like other high paying positions instead of doing fuck all and vibecoding all day and making 6 figures for god knows what reason.

>>715565431

>>715565262
>web3
video games?

We're!

1.4 million never ever, stop killing games is dead.

>>715563937 (OP)
THEY SHOULD LEGALIZE CHILD PORN!
:D

>>715566049
>First associating it with gamer gate
>Then controversial ecelebs
>Now linking it to pedophiles

they are scared shitless, aren't they?

>>715565262
What percentage of indie devs are actually using Web3 in any real capacity? 0.2%?

>>715566170
Ignore and report, don't let the Indian employees derail the threads

>>715565327
lol
lmao

>>715563937 (OP)
I still can't believe it only took a screeching retard doing everything wrong to push this shit beyond the original goal, holy shit

>>715563937 (OP)
>he thinks it's over at 1.4M signatures
what a moran

>>715566453
Enjoy your cope while it lasts. Only 15 days to be proven wrong. :)

Still not signing your shitty petition.

>>715565431
Maybe you zoomer devs overdosing on AI slop should take note of the great minds in the industry like the DOOM devs and fucking section your fucking code instead of letting an AI write your shit code. When you plan to sunset your game you can easily just rewrite a small portion to make it playable.

I swear to god AI has made developers more retarded than ever.

>gets the signatures
>government just says "nothx" because they're corpo slaves
>the end
yurodoodoos are retarded

>>715566516
That's okay, your non-signature is irrelevant next to the >1.3 million signatures.

>>715566574
This isn't America

>>715566574
>The same union that slapped Apple, Google, Meta and Microsoft being owned by vidya companies
Retard.

>>715565262
>making it impossible for indies to create web3 projects

My brother in Christ, if your Web3 protocol doesn't work after you walk away, it's not a web3 protocol.

They don't want you to own anything. They're shitting their pants on how fast SKG is now gaining support. They're trying to turn this into another gamergate and I'm afraid it's actually working.
Game journalists are making Asmongold and Pewdiepie the face of the SKG movement.
>Many developers are now urging #StopKillingGames organizers to take a firmer stance against hate groups and clarify the movement’s values. “Preservation without protection is meaningless,” said Aviv Salinas, co-creator of Blood Nova. “We need to preserve games and the people who make them.”
>As the campaign approaches legislative milestones, its ability to remain inclusive and principled will determine whether it becomes a force for good or another flashpoint in gaming’s long-running culture wars.
That article is a load of fucking sjw sludge.
They're really playing dirty now, how the fuck do we stop them?

>>715566574
The EU has essentially backed the movement with their acknowledgements of it my brown friend.

>>715566574
So true. Remember when the government didn't implement GDPR because they're slaves to Facebook? And when they didn't implement mandatory USB-C because they're slaves to Apple? And when they didn't implement mandatory replaceable batteries because they're slaves to the entire smartphone industry?

I know it's hard to cope with but not everywhere operates like the United Shithole of America. We have consumer rights. And we will use them.

>>715566574
The EU loves this kind of broad and sweeping legislation because inevitable violation fines from tech multinats are how they keep the lights on.

>>715566694
I'm going to filter this post now, and the one with Chet, so sick of seeing it.

Why are they trying so fucking hard to turn SKG into another Gamergate?

>>715566694
>i am one of you, please listen to my demoralizing doomposting
good morning sir

>>715566574
Every single time EU gets the opportunity to smack corporations around, they unapologetically take it.
This will be no different. In fact this will be a big political win, handed to them in a silver platter.

just
dont
buy
the
game
if
you
dont
like
their
practices

no need to legislate a luxury good you fucking morons
Just learn some fucking self-control and vote with your fucking wallet.

>>715566778
Why are *you* trying to make this a thing in every SKG thread, sar?

>>715566861
I
don't
want
corporations
thinking
they
can
get
away
with
their
faggotry

kill yourself immediately you fucking moron

Just say you have nothing going on in your life so you latched onto this drama like crazy, dont' try to pretend you genuinely care about the cause, if you did you would have supported SKG back in 2020 and not after Pirate Software offended your favorite youtuber.

>>715566778
You always say this and then show a screenshot of a guy who has single digit engagement on his posts.

>>715566861
Good morning sar. Up early today I see, it's not even 4 AM yet!

we should be closing in on 2 million. this is sad

>>715566942
2020? What the fuck are you talking about? The European Citizen Initiative has been a thing for 1 year, because they only last for one year, and I signed it the very day it went up. Go troll somewhere else sar.

>SKG = Renewable energy, Vaccines, gay rights and Communism
>Anti-SKG = Fossil fuels, Real men, actual freedom and independance, Capitalism
I know which side I'm choosing

>>715564748
>Why do corpocuck shills meltdown when we ask for the most basic private servers?
>inb4 a server browser is too heckin complex
when you say inb4 you generally want to include some kind of rebuttal, you've provided none. The fact is that most AAA multiplayer games released now can't be run on consumer hardware, and even indie titles that use things like AI can't manage either because they rely on dependencies to make the game function.
>inb4 well fuck em then, I don't want them to make that kind of game anyway
they'll still make the game, and they'll sell it as GaaS, tell me again why we want to push industry wide adoption of GaaS again
>GaaS isn't profitable, muh everquest
it's not profitable by design, publishers have gone all in on GaaS, to the point where modern consoles are agnostic about physical ownership, most game sales are digital and an overwhelming majority of gamers already buy 2-3 subscriptions for gaming alone, let alone all of the subscriptions they buy for other areas of life, the world simply isn't what it was 20 years ago, but maybe you guys are really the shills, since you seem to be totally fine essentially banning ownership of modern games through prohibitive legislation, thereby accelerating adoption of GaaS, which the SKG proposals do not seek to regulate, as no purchase of a permanent license is present when buying GaaS there's no basis to claim a right to permanent service.

>>715566957
He is warming up with some of the usual before he starts posting gore.

SKG fans claim to fight for justice, but there’s no justice in demanding indie devs work for free, release IP, and maintain servers forever. That’s not preservation, it’s exploitation wrapped in gamer entitlement.

>>715566942
SKG didn't start in 2020

>>715566861
not how this works, faggot and digital goods are a new venue

>>715563937 (OP)
>any last words corpo shills?

...
...
Chicken jockey!

The saars are in full force. They make it so obvious. Discussion was normal and there were brain cells present in the room and suddenly there's like 10 consecutive posts of stupid arguments on how SKG is bad. I wonder why.

Anyways, good morning sar.

>>715563937 (OP)
How many signatures are you personally in? I had chatgpt write a script for me so I should be at more than 2.5k.

>sega will be forced to remove denuvo from older games

>muh indie devs
The ferret fucker needs to update his script already, this is just sad.

>>715566694
If SKG is like gamergate, why don't we have a mascot then?

>>715567046
>muh renewables vs fossil fuels
Nuclear is the future baby, if we manage to get fusion running it is ogre.

>>715567190
Good morning sar

Won't developers just carve out the EU market now? Either by not selling the game to begin with or by heavily locking it down for the EU audience?

>>715564782
What would you do with it though? Ruin his reputation?
As far as I see it- from rock-bottom; there's no way to go but up.

You can’t demand free labor from indie devs just because you paid $30 once in 2016. That’s not justice, that’s entitlement.

>>715567225
I forgot to ask a draw thread about this.
I'd say it has to be a female Gordon Freeman in a blue HEV suit.

>>715564889
GaaS literally has a killswitch, and SKG is pushing the industry towards it through senseless regulation instead of coming up with sensible consumer protections by advocating for EU style protections in america, the EU already prevents companies from prematurely cutting off service, this whole thing is by an american game preservation journalist with no understanding of the legal landscape or industry he seeks to regulate, his argument against this accelerating GaaS was "well back in my day runescape didn't go so well"

>inb4 all games cost 100 dollars

Nice job gaymers

>>715567046
SKG is the faustian Hitlerian spirit of persecuting Jews for usury

>>715565258
>A server browser relies on a central server that lists all the dedicated servers that are available
steam already does this, before steam there used to be something called gamespy which would do the same. there's still plenty of third-party clients capable of listing servers which are used to play older games to this day.
SKG only asks that devs stop deliberately sabotaging community attempts to make clients like this work.

>we've reached the point where paid shills are literally just spewing diarrhea at the wall and seeing if any pieces of corn happen to stick (they won't)

>>715566574
Again, if this happens then it's within expectations. We took the punt, Ross did as well as could have been expected, now it's time for the answers. The answers could all be "fuck off", but at least we have them

>>715567292
>wont they just cut out half a billion people from mid-high wealth nations
No, you absolute dumbass.

>>715567428
you're shilling for GaaS

>>715567324
I got news for you, but communism is their end goal.
>The EU wants to decrypt your private data by 2030

>>715567051
People aren't going to want to play 7 subscription games at once. The market will fix it

>>715567485
Why are you talking to yourself in a mirror anon?

>>715566861
good
morning
mr
shill
I
sure
hope
you
are
being
paid
for
these
stupid
posts
otherwise
that
would
be
really
fucking
sad
and
pathetic

>>715567389
I know. You have the wrong target, all I'm saying is that the concept of a server browser by itself doesn't make a game SKG compliant per-se, it depends on how the system is built. If the game tries to connect to a hardcoded central server and doesn't let you try anything else if it fails then it's not compliant.

Question, I know the keeping servers alive meme is a shill shit but I have a legitimate question as of how consoles digital shops will be handled, will they be required to keep software download services available to people that purchased digital copies?

>>715567314
Female Gordon Freeman in a blue HEV suit that is a hikikomori and has mold growing all over her.

>>715567548
no problem

>>715567292
Yes I'm sure corpos will willingly give up all income from Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain and Sweden.

Fucking idiot lmfao

What the FUCK is wrong with him?

>>715567185
It's funny how every thread has at least 10 posts going
>This is asking for all severs to stay online forever and for tech support to never end. Also it'll kill all indie devs
Who then never responds to any replies (except the lowball troll responses)

>>715566861
hi thor. kill yourself:3

>>715567389
>SKG only asks that devs stop deliberately sabotaging community attempts to make clients like this work.
SKG is asking no game is sold that doesn't use outdated game design, most AAA games made today simply have too many dependencies to be hosted from consumer hardware, and indie games that use things like AI, if you stop them being sold as normal companies will just sidestep SKG by selling them as GaaS, which nobody wants
>>715567518
most gamers already subscribe to a couple of services, this would accelerate their plans that are already in motion

>>715567704
He had a mental breakdown after somehow getting fired from Valve of all companies.

>>715566861
>vote with your fucking wallet
Pointless, the general population is too retarded to do so

>>715567486
Yes, I will use the government to get policies I want. When there is a gun on the table it is important to grab and use it before your enemy. Same with government.
Don't want it taken over by enemies? Take it over yourself.
Fuck Capitalism for allowing kikery, fuck Marxism for allowing kikery.
Also fuck India

>>715567604
If I were to venture to come up with a solution for future consoles: Maybe have it that the game data can be saved to PC but in a format that the PC itself wouldn't be able to run. That way, you only need to download it once then make a backup to your PC. Of course, this opens up a vector for pirated console games, but I'm a dumbass NEET, someone with more experience would be able to follow it up

>>715567604
This doesn't cover that.

>>715567729
All you're fucking doing is proving Pirate Software right. This is no longer a consumer rights movement, it's just a harassment campaign.
We're not fucking kiwifarms, we're better than this.

>>715567486
How are they gonna do that?

>>715567735
>most AAA games made today simply have too many dependencies to be hosted from consumer hardware
Have you considered maybe they should just stop developing games with those dependencies and go back to the methods that worked for 20+ years? Literally creating their own problems.

>>715567808
motherfucker has been slandering the campaign and spreading lies for a while now. most of us arent seeking him out to harass him, but if he happens to be in this board, which he definitely seems to be, ive no problem telling him to kill himself/get off our fucking board.

>>715567794
shame, they should come up to a solution, nintendo either by generosity or by law still allows you to re-download software on the wii, but if they are not required to I doubt they will continue it indefinitely, at least old Nintendo consoles always just get hacked.

>>715567772
Indians love SKG because they'll be the first to be hired to maintain all those games that the devs wanted to abandon. Careful what you guys wish for

>>715567808
Kill yourself. That furret raping faggot has done nothing but show his entire ass since minute one with outright lying about the initiative. The faggot acts like he's hardcore for browsing /pol/ but has the thinnest skin imaginable.

>>715567967
>>715567931
This is the shit I was talking about, bandwagoners that latch onto a supposedly just cause just to fucking harass people. We are just asking how SKG can actually be implemented in the real world, no need to get all bigoted and racist about it. It's starting to smell a lot like gamergate...

>>715567956
>Indians love SKG
kek
They just toady up to people on all sides
Means nothing

>>715567808
You came into here calling everyone a fucking moron. Why is it okay for you to insult people personally as part of your argument but we can't?

>>715563937 (OP)
Am i the only one that wants this shit to end in failure and to see skggers eat crow just because i'm sick and tired of seeing this shit spammed 24/7 across the board for the last month every time a nothingburger update on their gay ass petition is happening?
>HEY GUYSE BIG UPDOOT:1.1 MILLION SIGNATURES
>HEY GUYSE BIG UPDOOT:1.2 MILLION SIGNATURES
>HEY GUYSE BIG UPDOOT:1.3 MILLION SIGNATURES
>HEY GUYSE BIG UPDOOT:SOME FAGGOT NOBODY HAS HEARD OF BEFORE AND NOBODY WILL AGAIN SAID SOMETHING
>HEY GUYSE BIG UPDOOT 2:SOME FAGGOT NOBODY HAS HEARD OF BEFORE AND NOBODY WILL AGAIN STILL SAYING SOMETHING

>>715568027
hey thor, we know its you. leave. go back to pretending to code your retarded undertale clone.

>>715568105
Good morning, saar.

Reasons why I don't support skg:
>I don't care about dead games
>I'm ok with being anti-consumer or anti-corpo, my only goal is to have better new games.
>new games that people want to play are going to be supported, dead games that people don't want to support should stay dead
>skg forces all games to be "not-dead games", increasing dev times and diverting dev power away from features of new games, in favour of safekeeping games in the future. Even if it's a week of devtime, that's one week that I want into making the games better, not saving trash
>I don't care about dead games, again

>>715568105
Hi sar. I saw you post the same thing in another thread yesterday. How is living in India?

>>715568105
So filter the threads retard, why are you here?

>>715568105
No. You share that sentiment with all the other TORtanic tourists that decided to become permanent residents.

Honestly? This whole thing is starting to feel like Sarkeesian 2.0.

You all say it’s about ethics or accountability or consumer advocacy, but at the end of the day, it’s just another excuse to dogpile someone you don’t like. First it was “he hates Stop Killing Games,” then it’s “he cheated at Animal Well,” now it’s “he’s a furry and cried one time”? You’re not fighting for a cause. You’re flailing for reasons to justify being cruel.

Same exact tactics:
Take clips out of context
Spin every emotional reaction into “proof”
Invent some sinister hidden agenda
Make harassment sound like activism

Anita said games affected people and got doxxed for a decade. Jason said review bombing doesn't fix anything and now you want him to disappear from the internet. Only difference is the side of the aisle doing the screaming.

You turned SKG, which started as a genuinely good idea into yet another purity test. If you’re not 100% aligned with the mob, you’re evil. If you disagree publicly, you’re a grifter. If you try to defend yourself, it’s “cope.” This isn’t consumer advocacy. It’s just GamerGate with a new coat of paint.

Jason never shut down a game server. He didn’t scam anyone. He didn’t mistreat his team. He spoke up about bad-faith actors weaponizing SKG and now you’re trying to erase his whole career. What the hell is that?

You’ve taken a movement about preserving games and turned it into a harassment campaign to destroy developers.

Congrats, you’ve become the thing you claimed to fight.

>>715567675
they wouldn't have to give up all income, they could just sell GaaS instead like they want to do already, the initiative only serves to accelerate things
>>715567772
you want more GaaS? why?
>>715567858
why would they? and not all innovation is bad, you wouldnt have dark souls or elden ring if everyone wasnt playing on the same server, you wouldn't have matchmaking. community servers were sometimes good, and sometimes they were complete shit, things like no man's sky where you can discover a world in a universe and be the first one to explore something unique out of everyone playing the game is a cool idea. AI dialogue for NPCs if done right would be a great idea, you could have free flowing natural conversations about lore with NPCs

>>715568105
yes we need another smash roster speculation thread

>>715567486
This is basically Chat Control 2.0 and that particular bit of legislation spearheaded by a few old boomer Germans detached from all sense of modern reality and unhindered by the burden of having actual technical knowledge on the subject, has been shot down time and again. No less than 5 .. possibly 6? publicly known times. And god knows how many times behind closed doors.

Color me both unsurprised and unconcerned.
Big - Fucking - Nothingburger.

Imagine shilling for corporations LAMAO!

>>715568175
I would if I could. These threads need to be called SKG General and moved over to /vg/

>>715563937 (OP)
>We're unstoppable
its ded

>>715568159
>not supporting a movement that will help gamers in the long run
show me your nose!

>>715567778
>Of course, this opens up a vector for pirated console games
Software for walled gardens, like consoles, is encrypted and signed. Encryption may be broken (though that generally only happens after a console is hacked) but signing keys can't be obtained from a hacked console, those are secure and are only known/possessed by the manufacturer - so it'd take a leak or someone hacking say Sony's servers to get those.

>>715568249
yeah imagine wanting to legislate the games industry in to a corner where GaaS is the only viable option, couldn't be me!

>>715566861
This, we should never try to have laws that benefit us laws are only necessary when they benefit Jewish billionaires and fuck us over.

>if you support SKG you're actually supporting GaaS

>>715568118
>watched a video going over the game in more detail and how shit the code is
>the current final boss is the MC whining to his mom about how she's a bitch
The writing is so dated and unfunny that I have no fucking clue how he thinks people would like the game if it released today. Like he has characters responding to questions like "how many eggs do you need" with fucking "yes" like it's the mid 2010's. Goes to show how fucked the development has been.

>>715568249
SKG will affect Indies way more than Corporations because of the financial burden.
Like all regulations, it all just benefits the big wigs and shuts down all small businesses in the end.

>>715568159
are you retarded?
there are games that you might have liked no being made because the investors want another shitty online game.

There are games that die because of shit monetization but are actually good games that might see a better life after death if a good end of life plan is done.

>>715568351
That would DESTROY the video game industry.

>>715568351
GaaS isn't exempt. They will be forced to have end of life plans as well.

>>715566694
they should be scared shitless of this
people keep saying i have it wrong but i don't see a way out of this without completely rewriting gdpr and intellectual property law

>>715568182
Do you seriously not see how fucking obvious it is that you're a paid shill yo fucking faggot? Take a look at what you wrote before you press post, it's painfully obvious. Just your writing style reeks of a shill. And a faggot.
0/10

>>715566861
just
don't
sign
the
petition
if
you
don't
like
it's
proposal
Just learn some fucking self control and vote with your signature

>>715568348
Ah fair enough, so yeah being able to store game data onto a PC/external drive might be the ticket to solve that issue.

>>715567761
It's worse. He didn't get fired from Valve. He voluntarily left to pursue the creation of jank VR games at a startup. Because 'VR is the future !!1!' don'tcha know? And then even that VR-focused startup thought his ideas were too radical and 'out there' so *they* fucking sacked him.
The idiot literally quit one of the most cush jobs in the industry imaginable because of his VR brain-rot; then descended on social media to double-down on making a further clown of himself and proving he actually legitly has brain-rot.

>>715568413
>Free GaaS with nothing to purchase
I mean I can't complain.

the moment you sell a single skin for any amount of money tho, that bitch better adhere to standards or your are going to be fucked like a pig.

>>715568465
give three examples of indie games that would be impacted by SKG.

>>715568449
I still think that the mum boss idea is kinda cool, being a fight based on your decisions rather than a fight, but it loses all impact because the mum has no presence, the choices are pretty arbitrary and the game only has two mandatory fights to begin with. You save that shit for a game with lots of combat as an "oh shit" moment like Asgore destroying the mercy option in undertale.

>>715568581
>willingly leaving Valve
Wow that's even worse.

>>715568345
accelerating adoption of GaaS hurts gamers
>>715568413
if you make it illegal to sell a game that can't be taken offline ever then they're just going to sell it as GaaS, so yeah you are actually supporting GaaS
>>715568483
Publishers want GaaS and they're pushing it as hard as they can and selling it at a loss to make it as attractive as possible
>>715568490
no they won't, because once your subscription ends there's no basis of ownership, read the proposal
>>715568506
I don't want laws that make buying a game worse for me

>>715568182
>He didn’t scam anyone.
Didn't he literally admit to tapping some old contacts within Blizzard to ensure some of the people that were giving him lip, would be banned from WoW?

>>715568597
The GaaS argument is a new one they are trying to push today. Completely oblivious that the type of game is irrelevant.

>>715568658
>kinda cool
It's just the fucking trial from Chrono Trigger's prologue done worse.

>>715568713
None of what you said is true, are you even trying?

>>715568780
I full admit I haven't played Chrono Trigger. Been meaning to but RPGs usually aren't my thing.

>>715568632
The upcoming story driven indie RPG Heartbound has always online DRM which will need to be removed if this passes. This will leave the dev with no defense against piracy and ultimately destroy his dream career.

>>715568465
>shuts down all small businesses
Why do you keep posting the same lies every thread? Are you a fucking bot? Small developers put their games on GOG DRM free. They already comply with SKG.

>>715568765
I've been saying this from the beginning
>>715568790
actually it's all true, feel free to present an argument

valve killed gayming

>>715568713
I recognize you from the previous thread. I'm sure if I checked the archive 4 hours ago, I'd find you as well.
Hell, tomorrow I might skim through the threads to check how long your shift is. Maybe congratulate you on earning a bonus for high KPIs.

>>715563937 (OP)
>is only about paid live service games
There's literally zero reason to support this movement.

>>715568871
>please argue with me
nah

>>715568852
not a single good game there, opinion discarded

>>715568871
>>715568713

>>715568597
yeah thats what confused me
from the faq he said f2p games would be affected if they had microtransactions but noncommercial freeware wouldn't
so if i'm getting that right, you download a free game, buy a skin for 5 dollars, now you are legally entitled to the game... without the microservices including your purchase

>>715568896
It isn't. It also covers games with online DRMs and such.

>>715567729
>thor
Who? If you're referring to the ferret fucker, then his name is jason. He just likes to pretend it's thor because he thinks jason sounds lame.

>>715568896
It will also affect singleplayer videogames with always online DRM. Faggot.

>>715568713
SKG makes no exception for GaaS.
Now if you are suggesting that they are all going to go to a subscription model like WoW all i have to say is LMAO, good for them. It will be entertaining.

>>715568597
>i-if the game's f-f2p then they can t-take it away! game!
no.

>>715568848
Thanks for the laugh anon. Unless it's actually the shill I was responding to - then I was overestimating the IQ of the average pajeet shill.

>>715567735
It's already happening. People stick to one or two live services because the fomo battle pass shit doesn't leave them with the time or energy to grind through too many of them

>>715564748
>Why do corpocuck shills meltdown when we ask for the most basic private servers?
This is not what the petition is asking for
This might be your most desirable outcome but it's not what the petition is asking for

>>715568942
>not a single good game there

>>715563937 (OP)
You fuckers know what's coming if you vote for this petition right? You know the consequences of inviting the government to intervene in the video games, knowing full well and probably lived through the 90s to 2000s where it was full of paranoid and delusional old men trying to dictate the rules and censor the fuck out of everything right? This is going to be even worse than that because now you have those same old men who now see the monetary incentive to fuck shit up and you fuckers are straight up kicking and screaming to come save you.

This won't be the government salvation you guys are hoping for, this won't even be the corpo vs government clash either, this will come entirely at your expense. They WILL fuck your shit up, anyone that has been around long enough knows not to trust the government and it's appalling to me that none of you can see Ross as the glowie that he clearly is. Why else would he go to such lengths to push this shit and throw on a full mask under the guise of caring for destroyed games? Why else has there been such a massive outbreak of supposed ecelebs throwing their weight into this all of the sudden when the natural response was to veer as far away as possible from this clear glowie psy op? They know now that they can get some headway and they've been going into overdrive to push for this and you idiots are falling for it.

If there's any among you that still possesses a brain, I implore you to not sign this shit. Don't give it attention, don't give it any time of day. This shit has so many malicious layers to it that it would be wise to not interact with it at all, and to say nothing on the long term ramifications against the average consciousness should it go through. Do you really believe that you aren't throwing away your personal information for the government to "leak away" in a year's time when this is over?

you know the actual verifiable sigs amount is in the 550-700k range

like the botting was immediately obvious, hundreds of thousands of sigs while EU was asleep

come on guys

>>715568790
>>715568713
It's okay. As long as he says the same thing over and over again and only acknowledges replies that attack the irrelevant non-sequitur arguments he laid as distraction bait then it means he's right. As long as you post last you always win.

>>715563937 (OP)
I think I am on the objective.

>>715568961
>no, it won't end live support games, it'll just require anyone releasing one to fundamentally design the game around being able to be played offline eventually

>>715568978
>>715568996
So still zero reason to support this movement.

>>715569089
good morning sar

I've been seeing this copypasta for like a week now, get new material

>>715569050
Okay whatever, keep crying about semantics if you must

People should know better by now, not to attack gamers. It never works out in their favor.

>>715569126
And what's the problem with that if they're going to shutdown the game eventually anyways?

>>715568713
And I don't want products to be classified as services. Got a problem? Start your own initiative

>>715569104
el cope

>>715568973
If I buy a digital good inside the game, I should be entitled to use that good in the context of the game as such I also need access to a working game after the servers are shut down and if needed for the game, also access to create my own servers.

>>715569130
What are your goals and aspirations?

>>715568973
It's pretty simple. You're entitled to that microtransaction you bought to work, and for it to work the base game must work.

>>715563937 (OP)
As a vidya developer I'm not going to sign it. Whoever makes the game should be able to do with it as they damned please. The standard nowadays is online server-based games and those are expensive to maintain.

If you want games to stay alive then KEEP PAYING FOR VIDEOGAMES you fucking losers

>>715569089
I see corpos that ruin gaming panic
I press the sign button
Sinple really.

>>715569017
yeah ive abandoned a lot of games that have this battlepass reward system
i dont even usually engage with it in games im actively playing as i play them for a few hours a day or want to, you know, play it the way i wanna play it

>>715568987
Sidenote: the mythological Thor was actually not a cool guy.
He was a braindead boisterous oaf and a bully, who'd rather spend his time listening to others praise him and bash in the skull of whoever refused to do so - than actually undertake anything of merit to make him worthy of praise.

Marvel's Thor is NOTHING like the actual one from mythology.

>>715568159
>my only goal is to have better new games.
Then you should support this. Because having to compete with their old games means they'll have to actually put effort into making new games that are better than the old, instead of shitting out yearly reskins of same slop over and over.

>>715563937 (OP)
I work for a massive publisher.

You idiots won't change a thing. The attitude inside a massive publisher is "yeah, the games suck and the microtransactions suck, but they pay the bills". Like that's literally what is said in our massive meetings and even the lowest totem pole workers know that's how it is. We know the games suck, but hey pay the bills.

It is unfortunate that I work for a company that takes advantage of people that can't control their finances, but I haven't found a new job yet that has similar pay or benefits.

You won't change shit with some stupid twitter campaign.

PEOPLE. KEEP. BUYING. MICROTRANSACTIONS.

PEOPLE KEEP PAYING $120 TO PLAY GAMES 3. DAYS. EARLY.

You won't change anything. PEOPLE KEEP BUYING THIS GARBAGE.

Unless you can educate people on finances so they stop buying $10 loot boxes every single paycheck, then NOTHING. WILL. CHANGE. IDIOTS SHOVEL MONEY INTO OUR POCKETS AND WE ALL HATE THE GAMES WE MAKE BUT YOU MONKEYS KEEP BUYING THIS SHIT AND PAYING OUR BILLS.

>>715569130
Can you elaborate? If your argument is that you only buy games that can run offline indefinitely anyways, well, this initiative would increase the games can can work like that. Like, that's the entire point. Every game ever game would either be the way you want it to be from the start, or would start working like that once it hits End of Life. It'd be a win for you.

If I'm reading you wrong could you elaborate?

>>715569269
You can do whatever you want with your own game. The regulation will only apply when you start asking for money.

>>715569269
lol, 99% of indie games have offline functionality.

>>715569089
ooph, this pasta is so old my nana could've rolled it in her younger working days.

>>715563937 (OP)
Keep this eceleb shit off the board, faggot. I doubt you are even a eurocuck, probably just a bored Flip.

>>715569269
>Whoever makes the game should be able to do with it as they damned please
If you are making it for yourself definitely.
The moment you try to sell it to other people, commerce laws apply.

>>715569348
Good morning sar. I've also been seeing this copypasta for like a week now.

You guys literally get paid for this, do you really not come up with new stuff? Does your boss allow you to just recycle the same copypasta over and over? Damn what an easy job.

>>715569348
you can stop posting it, rakesh
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/I%20work%20for%20a%20massive%20publisher%20You%20idiots%20won%27t%20change%20a%20thing/

>>715569348
Yeah, I don't care about any of that. I just want to own the games I buy.

>>715569269
Whoever buys the game should fucking own it.
>As a vidya developer
Sure, pajeet. Tell me what game you worked on, I'll make sure to seed it. If buying doesn't mean ownership, piracy isn't theft.

>>715568852
>They already comply with SKG.
SKG requires MP games provide a patch providing a dedicated server for the end user, requiring an overhaul of the networking side of the game, that would cost on average an additional 10-20% of a game's budget, which would be a disaster for indie devs, and if they can't comply because their game can't be hosted from consumer hardware because it has any dependencies they'd just have to sell it as GaaS instead, benefitting nobody except corporations.
>>715568961
most modern AAA games are completely incapable of complying with the demand to be hosted from consumer hardware, meaning the only option to sell them is an industry wide shift even further to GaaS, which they're already rolling out as hard and as fast as they can, at no benefit to consumers, also SKG are seeking to apply these demands to games currently in service, not only games made in the future.
>>715569001
there's no obligation to make the service available to end users following the end of the contractually obligated service for the reasons I've given, go read the proposals if you don't believe me, and yeah they are trying to get everyone to pay for games through subscriptions with things like PS Plus premium and xbox game pass, and they're already succeeding, most gamers already buy 2-3 subscriptions
>>715569017
it's shitty, why would anyone want more of it? defies explaination

>>715569089
you might think to yourself
"well i don't live in the eu but i'll still reap the benefits"
enter: eu versions of games
these already exist as censored versions of the global edition
skg will ensure no eu games ship with live service features at all
>but muh apple usb c
oh yeah, the same apple that ships an EU version of IoS with anything gdpr-noncompliant stripped out of it

>>715569510
>blah blah blah

>>715569515
good morning sar

>>715569232
well thats the problem here is skg said they'd just strip out the microtransactions and only have the GAME be playable
so your skin still wouldn't work unless the company decided to unlock all purchases, which is not an skg requirement

>>715569348
I don't care, if the game is selling microtransactions well that means people want to maintain the servers and updates coming, more power to them.

If the game is not selling well because maybe the fuckers you work with are retarded and push for retarded shit to be added to the game, well maybe after you guys do the offline version someone can mod out all the retarded decisions and make your game actually good.

>>715563937 (OP)
ACTUAL DEVS HAVE SPOKEN
YOUR MOVEMENT IS A NOTHINGBURGER
STOP SPAMMING THIS BOARD NOW

>>715569607
Nah I'll keep doing it sar.

>>715569295
so, pirate shillware really DID pick a fitting name.

>muh indie devs
>muh it'll just push the industry towards GaaS
>muh the gov't will stonewall it, despite the EU being notoriously consumer friendly
What will the corpo cope be next week?

>>715569229
even today people spam skg stuff on anglo websites where 90% cant vote to begin with, and they just dont fucking understand the marketing needs to happen in like :
Italian websites
spanish websites
french websites
greek websites
where they dont fucking speak english but can vote

10000% more marketing in english internet doesnt move the needle, the ones who give a shit and learned about it did in the first wave of 400k votes 10 months ago and all you people do is repeatedly tell about it to the same english internet browsing europeans who either voted already or dont care

>>715569593
you know your client has all the data required to display a skin right? that's why when a game has a new skin there is an update even if you didn't purchase it.

>>715569510
>additional 10-20 of the game's budget
PFFFFFFFFFTTTHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH

>>715569607
Consumer is always right, the devs can suck a lemon

>>715563937 (OP)
>umm actually there are already consumer protections and we really care about them and want to deliver you the highest quality so pretty please don't do this it would be very mean we can't just sell you a product that works like other industries

>>715568186
>why would they?
To comply with the law. Not all obsoletes are bad

>>715569667
They're slowly working towards linking this movement to GamerGate and... *checks notes* CP? so I assume that'll be the angle next week

Games are not physical products you can "own". They are walks in the park, a ball game with your friends, a trip to an amusement park. They are just things for entertainment to pass the time.
You don't gain full ownership of the park or ball game because you spent $20 on a ticket. Funny how that works huh?

>>715569694
I was banned at Pirates stream for at least 20 times now, and his gay ass mod sent me a mesage hes a lawyer and he has my IP, so they wll sue me
lmao

>Make a piece of art
>Sell a copy of it to someone
>Decide I don't like the art anymore
>Go to the person's house that has the copy
>Destroy it
Remember: "People" think that this is right and just, the only reason it wasn't done before was because it was unfeasible. That's their line of thinking.
Stop trying to think that you are fighting humans here, you are fighting sub-human creatures.

>>715569607
>just stop trying to better your consumer rights it's too hard to actually make this work the lawyers will just win
>MUH EYE PEE

>>715569607
can u post source to this the bottom was cut off

>>715569729
Good morning sar. Do I not own my chess board and pieces then, according to you?

What are the best places to visit in India btw?

>>715569510
>there's no obligation to make the service available to end users following the end of the contractually obligated service for the reasons I've given
You can use chatgpt to rephrase the same thing as many times as you want, but GaaS isn't exempt nor are the digital items sold in them. They will be forced kicking and screaming to have end of life plans or they wont do business in the EU.

>>715569729
Don't ask SKG trannies to use their minds

>>715569607
"OY VEY, THE GOYIM ARE ASKING FOR CONSUMER RIGHTS! SHUT IT DOOOOOWN!"

>>715569109
what am I supposed to do? you people don't have the faintest idea of what SKG is even about and you argue in circles because you lack understanding, you're literally replying to someone who made 0 argument and just said "nuh uh, nawt troo" and you're defending that one?
>>715569215
SKG does nothing to restrict the sale of GaaS, and it actually monkey paws everyone towards GaaS by being so hamfisted, I'd actually be in favour of regulating GaaS up the ass because it sucks for game preservation and ownership, something SKG claims to be for but through sheer stupidity is now causing immense damage against it.

>>715569882
Did you know that replying to yourself so that it looks like somebody agreed looks super obvious right?

>>715569729
Your analogy sucks ass.
I own the ball (game) and the park provides a venue I can play with friends (Servers). If the park shuts down, I still have the ball and go to a different venue to play with it, because the ball still functions.

>>715569785
>nooo you can't just post in our chat noooo
N

>someone has fair, light criticism about Stop Killing Games
>"Nooo you don't understand the proposal, it's not X, it's Y"
>another person criticizes Y
>"Sigh... People still don't understand the proposal is not about Y, but actually about X?"

I'm fucking done with this stupid subject. It is impossible to say anything negative about it because Stop Killing Games is like the holy spirit: it's nowhere, and at the same time everywhere. It's about nothing, and at the same time everything. No matter what you criticize, it'll always be "wrong" because it is actually about whatever point you did not criticize; and this point will oportunistically change once the next person says they disagree.

Fuck everyone involved with this. Bunch of dishonest vulture clowns turning this into another Gamergate

>>715569593
well they can do the expensive thing of making a client for each single person that purchased the game with exactly what they purchased OR they can just the cheaper way of making a client with every single little thing that people could have paid money for and use that as the end of life client.

>>715569989
It's some paid shill in India copying and pasting the same posts in every SKG thread. Don't bother.

>>715569729
A game is not being sold as a service it's being sold as a product. Parks are free and I can go to them whenever I want since they're owned by the government and are public property.

>>715570015
hi jason!

>>715570015
Ok anon, nice strawman, tell what is X and Y and I'll bite and answer

if you don't respond I'll consider you another Ubisoft shill.

>>715570015
Hello sar. I believe I saw this exact post 5 days ago. You might get fired if you don't write some new material!

>>715569958
How does it feel to be gay?

>>715569729
ok
I'm asking games to be treated different because that's how I as a consumer feel it should be.

>>715569690
even ignoring how many scandinavians, german speakers, and other assorted yuros spend a lot of time on english sites because it is the lingua franca, do you have proof that it isn't being posted in those places? do you think that illiterate anglos posting machine translated screes to sites where they don't know the culture is going to help? because those are probably the people making these threads

>>715569607
Well I'm a dev of AAAAA video games and I say it WON'T kill them. What now, chud?

>>715569920
>what am I supposed to do
Mana gem

>>715570015
>have retarded criticism that people call retarded
>n-no you can't just call me retarded

>>715563937 (OP)
Welp, time to delete the demos I was developing for potential new games, can't pirate what's never released, time to find a new job too, no reason to spend my time making something I won't own.

>>715570092
Jason is probably sleeping, he had a 14 hour long stream today, banning you stupid SKG niggers from my chat.

>>715569510
You missed this part.
>functional singleplayer
All GOG games have that. Not only that but a lot of them also have the option for LAN, P2P or dedicated servers. Are you being intentionally stupid?

So is increased amounts of pasta a good sign?

>>715566778
It's incredibly funny seeing the left, who calls themselves anticapitalist and anti establishment fall for every single one of their tricks time and time again.
We can already see the context shift happen in real time, it's so fucking sad.

>>715570212
Nothing of value was lost

>>715570142
I'm doing that as well you fucking retard. I made this thread for example: https://www.elotrolado.net/hilo_stop-killing-games-iniciativa-europea-para-acabar-con-el-cierre-de-juegos_2505507

>>715570220
>my chat

>>715570220
Based.

>>715570220
*his

>>715570212
my copy of the game my choice.

>>715570291
bait used to be believable

>>715566778
>why are pro-industry anti-customer people being pro-company-anti-customer

>>715569729
>Games are not physical products you can "own".
They are in the EU
https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012-07/cp120094en.pdf

>>715568713
>I don't want laws that make buying a game worse for me
So vote against them. Just don't sign it.
Christ you're dense

Why are Norway, Switzerland, Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Iceland, Greenland, Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Montenegro, Kosovo, Albania, North Macedonia, Moldova, Turkey, Lichtenstein, Andorra, Monaco, San Marino, and Vatican City not part of the EU?

>>715570272
Leftoids are never on the side of the little guy when the main leader of the movement is white. You're an idiot for not noticing this yet.

>>715570142
>what is inspect element
Anyway, retard
>game can't be owned
Yet I own games that function fully offline. I own them, because no tranny faggot in a corporate building can press a button and remove anything from them. I can copy them to a pendrive, fly to a different country, buy a new laptop, plug it to it and play them. No one can take that away from me. The whole world could fucking burn and I'd still be able to play them, given that I had electricity.

>>715566170
You had the timeline fucked up there anon

When it got to 800k votes with no signs of stopping:
>NOOOOO LEAVE THE FERRET FUCKER ALOOOOOOONE!! HE WAS RIGHT IN EVERY LAST MADE UP SCENARIO! YOU'LL KILL LIVE-SERVICE GAEMS REEEEEEEEEEE!!!

900k votes
>YOU ALL ARE JUST DOGPILING ON THE FURFAG BECAUSE YOU'RE JEALOUS OF HIS SUCCESS/BECAUSE YOU'RE BIGOTS! REEEEEEEEEEE!

It breaks 1 million votes, and the entire script becomes retaliatory:
>YOU'RE ALL FUCKING PEDOS
>THIS IS JUST GAYMERGAY 2.0
>proceeds to flood all thread with fat-fuck naked men with boners

It breaks 1.1million
>YOU'RE ALL ANTISEMITES AND WHINY ENTITLED CHILDREN! REEEEEEE!
>in comes the loli porn flood on top of the fatfuck naked men
>when that didn't phase /v/ at all, it became distraction/ragebait/obfuscation/derailment

1.2 million votes and past that is now what you see at play. All of the above

>>715569607
>you're asking devs to re-architecture their entire game

>be carpenter who mostly makes desks
>be told I have to make chairs now
>"do you know how much work it is to convert a desk into a chair?!"

>>715569515
You are full of shit and so is NaughtyDog if they did that since Baldur's Gate 3(excessive gore, guts, sexual content, full frontal nudity, unique death animations/corpses depending on killing blow) did not do it and neither did Cyberpunk 2077(excessive gore, guts, sexual content, full frontal nudity and limb/head explosion). Are you shill just telling lies or are you genuinely retarded?

The corpo shills are literally trying anything to make sure this doesnt hit its final goal. I think the reason why is because they had no time to react to the sudden huge influx of support right at the end. That's unprecidented, they had no time to set up red herrings or anything so they're trying all their tactics at once because this is unstoppable at this point.

>>715570186
Again, they do in some capacity browse english sites. Thats why it reached 400k votes as quickly as it did.
but then the marketing kept focusing on same people instead of going after people who didnt know about the movement but would vote if they did

its like making a video game and deciding all you need to recoup the costs is make 1 marketing campaign for north america and hoping rest of the world buys it because they happen to see people talk about it from random sources via word of mouth

>>715570413
Some don't want to (Norway), some are in the process of joining (Ukraine), some are tax havens (Andorra, Switzerland) and some are shitholes that would damage the EU if they were to join (you gotta meet a lot of standards if you want to join). And Russia hates the EU.

>>715569725
they can still comply by selling it as GaaS instead.
>>715569701
networking costs 10-20% of a games budget, so an entire overhaul of everything you've spent all your groundwork and research coming up with would end up being similar in cost.
>>715569852
you're wrong and you're not presenting any argument to the contrary, it is in fact you who is simply rephrasing variations of "no, you are wrong". The citizen's initiative specifically makes the argument based on ownership of the game as a permanent good when no such ownership exists within GaaS, what is your basis for disagreeing with this assessment, given that I'm quoting directly from what SKG have told everyone the citizen's initiative is about?
>>715570254
small indie devs make online only games too, ones that might be put on GOG, yet use technology that requires hosting that isn't feasible for a p2p community project.
>>715570410
why do you have a problem with me advocating against it?

>YOU DONT OWN THE HOUSE YOU ONLY RENT IT AS A SERVICE WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU HAVE TENANT RIGHTS REEEEEEEEE

>>715567294
nta but obviously improve his reputation so when the actual retard returns he's called a fake and accused of false flagging because people prefer the new one
skinwalker his bitch ass

>>715569358
No, I am ok with devs making these games, having a major failure in their hands and shutting them down in shame.
I do not buy these games because they don't look like they're worth the money to begin with, I would never consider them an option regardless of whether they have an end of life plan or not.
I see absolute no value in keeping them online and I fail to see any reason to sympathize with people who encourage and finance their existence.
>inb4 but DKG will help against GaaS
That's a straight up lie. Corporations can still make them and just come up with an offline patch later, assuming the best case scenario for the petition. Doesn't change a thing.

>>715569729
>Games are not physical products you can "own".
>he lives in a 3rd world country where that is true
Here in the 1st world I do own my games, regardless of tangibility.

Am I a digital terrorist now?

>>715564748
>Dedicated servers
Hah, here is the jankieat implementation of P2P connection you have to set up yourself in the console in the most obscure Unix OS we could find.

>>715570015
>not a single link that backs up accusations
>mischaracterization of argument
>strawmen
you smell like corpo bootlicker

>>715570612
Did you forge signatures? If no then no.

>>715570612
YOU'RE LITERALLY DESTROYING GAMES AS A SERVICE

>>715570563
>small indie devs make online only games too
You mean like Among Us(has private servers)?
You mean like Rust(has dedicated servers)?
You mean like Valheim(has private servers)?
Go shill somewhere else for corporations you collossal faggot.

>>715570612
I hope you get everything that I think you asked for but nothing I think you wanted.

>>715570583
I think you're not seeing things in the long term. Companies are currently using GaaS to test the waters and see if they can get away with stealing your games after purchase. If the answer is "yes, we can get away with it", then do you honestly not expect more and more companies to start building killswitches into all the games they make?

Let's say you really want to play the next From Software game, but by then companies have gotten comfortable with building killswitches into games, so Bandai Namco decides to put a killswitch into Elden Ring 2 so that they can steal it from players at a later date. What then?

It's not about stopping GaaS, you're correct there. But it is about stopping the worst aspect of GaaS (allowing companies to steal the game you purchased) and preventing that cancer from spreading to other kinds of games.

>>715570576
That is some 4d chess for torturing shitposters lel. You now only need to kill that retard that keeps arguing semantics in the threads and mass replying to everyone now and we shall have peace.

Can we all agree that the hate against Thor is too much?

>>715567015
you fags are ruining my sleep. where is my vidya record

>>715570612
THINK OF THE BILLION DOLLAR CORPORATIONS YOU NAZI!!!

This scares the dev saying that it is impossible to adhere to a law like this.

>>715566253
They already do it for free, why call the jannies like that?

>>715570868
>Stop Finning.
>1 million signatures.

Why do the Fins need to be stopped?

>>715570563
>the argument based on ownership of the game as a permanent good when no such ownership exists
Uh oh stinky!
https://www.tlt.com/insights-and-events/insight/cjeu-determines-that-the-supply-of-computer-software-is-sale-of-goods/

>>715570932
Have you heard them speak?

>>715570904
Gigantic did this too. games as a service, it got shut down, years later they released a paid version of the game with NO microtransactions and new servers as a way to preserve the game for fans.

>>715570932
Have you seen how many SKG signatures are Finns?

>>715570993
all fake

>>715570868
>Fur Free Europe
EU bros don't want the furry guy now?

>>715570904
In other words SKG supports that publishers sell you a game a second time as long as it's offline

>>715569607
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/AHTi_nMuQNhuzKYls0NCWA/
hey bud, your documents are out of date

>>715570904
Nintendo also released a fully offline version of pocket camp that's a one time purchase.

>>715570770
well done, you've listed three games, therefore no game is hosted using any modern bells and whistles, just one out of many of these being AI generating NPC dialogue, which is present in multiple microsoft AI indie showcase titles. AI dependency would not work in a p2p version of the game, this is a developing technology that will only get bigger. You can't force companies to hand over the API key and let anyone and everyone use their tech for anything, so the only other option for producers is to sell GaaS, which is worse for gamers.
>>715570972
Doesn't apply to GaaS, when you buy a month of wow or xbox game pass there's no assumption of permanent ownership beyond that month, it's an explicitly limited service with an end date at the point of sale.

>>715571059
If you say so

>>715571059
You have 80iq

>>715571059
no, but it shows its possible, now they just have to do it for free for people that spent money, but I bet they will also just release the offline version on Steam since its just free extra money.

>>715571084
actually saw that and might buy it

>>715570972
>includes the right to store a copy of the program permanently
you do realise you don't get permanent access to a game permanently if you buy a subscription service right anon?

>>715563937 (OP)

>>715571092
Typing lots of text to make a point is a sign of low intelligence

>>715571092
>shifting the goalpost
You were caught.

>>715570576
That ... is ... fucking ... BRILLIANT.
holy shit.

>>715571159
Actually its 120, I had it tested

>>715571092
>well done, you've listed three games,
I accept your concession.

>>715571059
No you retard. The existence of the offline version of Megaman proves that it's technically possible to make one. Because the law SKG proposes isn't in effect, Capcom got away with just selling it again to people who spent money in the original. But if the law was into effect, then Capcom would have had to offer it for free to people who spent money in the original.

Of course they could offer other solutions, but if the solution they settle on is a full offline version, then yeah, they'd have to give it for free to existing customers.

>>715565009
>will always pretend like any and all regulation is completely unworkable and will immediately cause a full collapse of the industry the microsecond after it's signed.
That's just capitalism 101.

>>715571194
Good thing SKG is not getting itself involved with subscriptions, since those clearly state an expiration date.

>>715570576
nice idea I will do this with other avatarfags on other boards.

>>715570972
The EU... based.
The SKG initiative... based.
Corporations... cringe.
Corporate shills... cringe.

>>715570563
>Argument gets shut down by they actual law
>Whatabout this other thing
You are fucking shameless.

>>715570868
>SKG is literally creeping up on the right of universal access to clean water.
Wow. Just: WOW.

>>715571314
Why don't they just be a better business then. I notice the lack of Steam and GOG on the startkillinggames list.

>>715571314
1964 is right though

>>715571172
>but I bet they will also just release the offline version on Steam since its just free extra money.
Which SKG absolutely supports because it's a perfectly valid end of life plan

>>715569607
>We don't have the legal infrastructure to do this
Well then get it you fucking retard
>Nooo muh checking AAA
I don't care. Figure it out. You faggots get infinite money to blow on nothing you can spend pennies to do this

>>715570563
>small indie devs make online only games too, ones that might be put on GOG, yet use technology that requires hosting that isn't feasible for a p2p community project.
Name them

>>715571468
bait used to be believable

>>715571468
Good morning saar

>>715571450
I think that's just an outreach problem. I'm from Spain and I didn't even know European Citizen Initiatives were a thing before SKG. Now that I'm aware, I'm more likely to sign future ones, and yes I would've signed the water one if I had been aware of it back then.

>>715571541
>Hire indians, my business will collapse.
This one might actually be true though.

>>715571230
my argument was the same from jump street
>>715571337
yeah no, it's just forcing games to end up as subscriptions by excessively legislating the alternative out of possibility, which makes life worse for end users
>>715571402
the only law you quoted doesn't apply to GaaS, because subscriptions are not permanent licenses, when you buy a month you get a month, you don't get the software permanently when you rent it for a month
>>715571507
microsoft did an indie showcase recently full of art games that use AI as I mentioned previously

>>715571479
What's the problem?

>>715571531
>>715571541
No I am being 100% serious. Paying women and non-whites more unironically ruined businesses along with the mandatory hiring quotas. Companies were 1000% better when they were 99% white men.

>>715571314
what's the point of this comic? fucking commies ruined america. look how everything's flooded with browns. it's your fault

>>715571393
The best thing you can do now is just mock paid shills and pastaspammers, they lost the moment their narcissist figurehead kept talking instead of shutting up and burying the issue. Just imagine, if only their nepobaby didn't keep waving his abhorrent persona like a red rag in front of the incensed crowds, the initiative of Ross would have stayed dead and buried. But their ilk just can't help themselves.

>>715570838
At that point in the slippery slope I would sinply not care an have no reason to engage with the video game market at all, which I'm completely fine with.

>>715571602
The post SKG free market will solve that

>>715571337
>since those clearly state an expiration date
Fun fact. Not all of them do. Funnier fact. All those ''subscribtions'' are themselves filled with digital goods in the form of microtransactions. The EU should really take a closer look at any ''sbscribtion'' game that sells you ingame items/skins. If those ''subscribtion'' games were just that, they could argue that they do not fall under SKG but any one of them that sold people a digital skin IMO should be forced to fall under SKG so people can be guaranteed the ability to use the skins they paid for as digital goods even when the company decides that they don't want to support the game anymore. People paid for those skins and when they sell you the skin they don't phrase it as ''you're renting this skin'' they SELL it.

>>715571602
>AI
Good riddance to bad garbage. Got any other examples? And I mean actual examples, not "there's games that use this technology, uh... look it up"

>>715571631
That's a different issue entirely though, anti-discrimination in hiring practices (which led to a worse work force) is not the same as anti-discrimination in payment of employees.

>>715571602
I'm sure the market transforming into nothing but subscriptions will not negatively reflect on profit margins.

EA literally ruined his life.
I DEMAND FUCKING JUSTICE YOU SCUMBAGS
NO MORE OF THIS SHIT
I'M TAKING DOWN THE WHOLE GOD DAMN SHIP

>>715566574
Literally the only thing the EU is good for is stopping corpos from buttfucking the masses.

>>715571751
>anti-discrimination in hiring practices
that's just affirmative action, aka covert racism

>>715571305
SKG proposes no such law. It only asks for an end of life plan, the form said end of life plan takes is irrelevant.

>>715571674
But wouldn't you rather do your part in hopefully keeping a healthier videogame market than leaving it because it went to shit? Even if you're "fine" with the latter, wouldn't you rather have the former?

In my view you're just being defeatist. If you're able to sign, I encourage you to do so. Even if you think it's useless, the fact remains that nothing *bad* can come to you because of it. And even if there's just a 0.01% chance of something *good* coming to you, why not? You'd spending less time signing than explaining why you won't do it btw.

If you aren't able to sign it then whatever.

>>715571751
No it's not. Making it mandatory that you had to pay women and non-whites more meant more women and non-whites applied for work and once they started getting turned away for being utterly retarded they bitched about it and that's how we got to hiring quotas.

>>715571631
Saar, this is Wendy's drive through.
Your masters are still going to have to stop killing games.

>>715571843
That's wrong

>>715571759
You skigger commies won't do shit.

>>715571843
I know, i addressed this in my post by stating that Capcom could choose other options to be SKG complaint. BUT if the option they choose was the MegaMan approach then, IN THAT CASE, they'd have to give that new version of the game for free to existing paid customers.

>skigger
lol

>>715571832
Yeah, I should've put that in huge air quotes. Discrimination in pay is bullshit, but discrimination in hiring practices is needed.

>>715571856
I see your point but I think one doesn't lead to another. In the hypothetical scenario of a productive nigger (Imagine it with me), it is not fair to pay them less just because of them being a nigger. It'd be right to turn him away from the door if he was an unproductive nigger.

>>715571879
I support SKG, most game devs are filled with Indians and women which is why modern games suck ass.

>>715571909
Good morning saar

>>715571719
This too is correct, in fact no amount of EULA fuckery can save them from selling goods within a service. If the existence of those goods is predicated upon functionality of that service, then terminating it without reimbursement or recourse is illegal. They had gotten too used to skirting the law and hiding the moment the public eye landed on their fraudulent practices, but now with the legislative power structure finally being forced to turn towards those issues, we might see some real interesting things happen. It's why they are so afraid.

>>715571602
>yeah no, it's just forcing games to end up as subscriptions
Don't like it, don't subscribe

>>715571719
problem: skg doesn't ask for that
they said any game that sells microtransactions fall under skg but only the actual game part, not the microtransactions, including f2p games
they want the GAME to be playable, they don't care about other purchases which are all microservices which will be stripped out anyways

>>715571848
No, I don't have any interest in lifting even so much as single finger to keep the industry alive and healthy. If people are voting with their wallet that this is the way they want the future to be then so be it.

>>715572212
Yeah, that's called being defeatist. If this attitude extends to other parts of your live please try to change that.

>>715571909
>You
correct, my government will
>i took the jab /s
>i trust my government
you fucking lefty commie fags really thought you will win this game

>>715571974
I think the problem is that while you, a productive nigger can do 80% of the job, my white ass can do 90% of the job but yet I get turned away because I'm not a diversity hire. If you did 92% of the job then naturally you should have it. Trying so hard to be anti-racist can unironically lead to racial discrimination, just in the opposite direction. Not like it matters at this point, were all going to be replaced by Grok and ChatGPT.

>>715563937 (OP)
I'll never understand why Americans are so keen to defend their corporate masters. Good lord they don't even have time off over there.

>>715572212
Why would I vote with my wallet when my actual vote hold more weight?

>>715571974
>I see your point but I think one doesn't lead to another.
I disagree. To pay an enemy as much as you'd pay one of your own means you're punishing your own people for working hard. To pay non-whites or women more would lead them to tell their people that your place pays them as much as it pays white men which lead more to show up and if you start turning them away they'll cry to the government to punish you for it. Again, just about everything bad now in modern companies can unironically be traced back to paying non-whites and women more which lead to hiring quotas.

>>715571694
I don't want the free market to sell me GaaS, it sucks
>>715571734
any indie game that collaborates with companies offering external services to keep the game running, could be photogrammetry textures, could be using a specific kind of proprietary cloud computing.
>Good riddance to bad garbage.
there's no good riddance, they'll just sell it all as GaaS, so even if you wanted to get rid of it entirely you wouldn't succeed, you're just making the industry shittier for consumers by accelerating adoption of GaaS
>>715571757
they sell subscriptions at a loss right now because their end goal is to have more people adopt them and it's working, most gamers already buy 2-3 gaming related subscriptions alongside other entertainment subscriptions. Ross' dumb argument of "well back in my day everquest didn't do so well" demonstrates a severe failure in his understanding of today's service industry
>>715572149
the vast majority of gamers already do, why would you want to make companies lean in to that strategy more when there's clearly a will to regulate it that's being thrown in a totally counterintuitive direction. SKG literally achieves nothing

>>715571978
>I support SKG,
Surrrre you do, just trying to turn it into race and gender baiting to divide up people.
Nice try

>>715572408
>most gamers already buy 2-3 gaming related subscriptions alongside other entertainment subscriptions
Source?

>>715572408
Just don't buy it, lol

Wow this thread is a real eye-opener on the state of 4chan and right-wing marxists

>>715571974
>discrimination in hiring practices is needed.
you're literally defending affirmative action and diversity programs (i.e. anti-white racism) retard

>>715563937 (OP)
Ideally i want the game industry to come up with a plan to better preserve the games for future generations.

However the scenario where EU forces em to do it with a gazilliion petty rules is pretty good and fitting as well.

>>715572471
There's no such thing, we're all just marxists

>>715572310
They think corporations, modern corporations are literally created by one dude who pulled himself up by his bootstraps and was on the ground building a company with his own hands like it's fucking 1876. They believe that attacking corporations is attacking the common man because "that could be me or any red blooded American."

>>715571719
They literally do. A $15 WoW sub ends after one month. Same with game pass. I can't think of a single subscription that doesn't list the price per time

>>715563937 (OP)

i hope you get everything you want and everything you asked for

Reminder, anyone bringing up white victimhood to distract you, are the same people trying to frame SKG as gamergate 2.0
Don't fall for their bat.

>>715572416
>Divide
There never was unity. Even as far back as the 60's when Whites were marching in the streets nogs were bashing our heads in because King Nigger got shot by their own. Most companies are headed by inept retards doing everything they can to make vidya a seasonal fair instead of a product you pay money to own which is why SKG should succeed. There's a reason why non-whites are all lapping up anti-SKG posts online because the head of the movement is White.

>>715572310
The scenario where the government controls everything is pretty bad too, trust me, in in Brazil.
But you do need to point the government at horribly misbehaving corporations from time to time, because capitalism is a game on the end of the day.

>>715572618
thank you

>>715572618
i kinda do too because i know this will be isolated to the eu
these demands are so fucking ridiculous there's no way they could be implemented in a free society

>>715571602
> when you buy a month you get a month
Moving the goalposts. If you are suggesting that ALL games will go to a wow model and consumers will go along, you are fucking retarded.
The subscription model failed for a reason. Gamepass-like services are hemorrhaging money and people reject them.
The only viable GaaS model is the one existing in the market today, where they sell you items ingame. And for those , digital goods laws apply as already proven with C-410/19 and c-128/11. Saying that you are service in your EULA doesn't mean shit.
Again, you are shameless.

>>715572309
Yeah true. Keep in mind that I think turning people at the door is a good thing and I run on meritocracy rules, I just think denying the opportunity for those exceptions would not be fair within my world view, because they have risen above their nature to be productive.

>>715572489
How? I'm just coming from the perspective that if there is a nigger, woman or god forbid a nigger woman that is shown to do be able to do the job, as rare as that might be, then they should be paid for their work. DEI hire in the work place is bullshit, but so is denying the work someone has put in, again, as rare as that might be.

>>715572362
Ok, I see it now. Just sucks in my eyes that it does harm those that do put in the work, but due to the way society works, I can see how giving an inch to those that deserve it gives a mile to those that don't.

>>715572632
Called it
>>715572642

>>715572408
oh look the multipost replier is back *vomit*

>>715572408
>any indie game that collaborates with companies offering external services to keep the game running
Where are your examples?

>>715572687
Your freedom ends where my begins

>Won't apply to my favorite gacha since it will be grandfathered into not having to comply.

Its sad, hope the future generations enjoy their rights.

>>715572154
>problem: skg doesn't ask for that
That is not a problem since the EU is not bound by exploring only what was proposed by the initiative but can also expand the scope. SKG can easily affect more types of video games.

>>715572727
Wrong. SKG isn't gamergate 2.0, the only people trying to do that are leftoids on bluesky. All SKG is is a Ross doing a hail mary to get companies to stop being Jewish.

>>715572841
Nah, it's retards like you trying to make this a race war and blaming everyone else for your acts.
Good thing no one is falling for your bait here.

>>715572801
Sacrifices had to be made. Lose a battle to win the war.

>>715572716
you know anon if this was actually an issue this would have been legislated like 20 fucking years ago because it would just be so obviously illegal there would be a million hungry lawyers chomping at the bit to sue everyone

>>715572583
The ''sub'' does but that is not the end of the service. What happens if i sub for 2000 years? Will Blizzard keep the servers alive for 2000 years? I subbed for 2000 years and this is what my sub says. Sub =/= service.

>>715572841
>All SKG is is a Ross doing a hail mary to get
louis rossmann failed
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbRwStoQNbM
Louis Rossmann - President @ FULU Foundation, Right to Repair - Eli the Computer Guy - 1.09M subscribers 3.1K views 1 day ago

>>715571314

>>715572956
>sue someone for $15
okay

>>715573063
Louis Rossman is also trying to do it in America, shit isn't easy.

>>715572906
>trying to make this a race war
It quite literally is. Everything in life is a race war, anon. Again there's a reason why retards are trying to paint Ross as some icky white gaymergaytor chud when as far as I remember he didn't even make a peep over that shit and rightfully so since it was retarded as fuck. The ONLY reason why these people dislike the movement is because the head of it (Ross) is White. If he got a token black guy to read out the exact same words he said in the initial video about SKG nobody would be trying to smear him or SKG now.

>>715572956
An average human being is unable to grasp an issue that is separated from him by more than two layers of abstraction.

>>715573094
Just needs to say 2024 and you're good.

>>715572086
EU already had to force games that have ingame currecies to start putting the price in real money instead of obfuscating everything with meme gems. So they should really do a second look on games that sell digital goods as microtransactions.

>>715572956
It's illegal in europe. It's already proven that EULAs hold no actual value in the EU.
It's just that the EU isn't a lawfare land where lawyers take corps to court for a payday.

>>715573139
You'd be raising white children right now instead of arguing on 4chan if you actually cared about your race.

>>715573139
>Again there's a reason why retards are trying to paint Ross as some icky white gaymergaytor chud
What's your proof for this? Even the most rainbow haired militant feminist types seem to be on the same page as Ross. Is it some literal who on bluesky that got 5 likes that's saying this shit, where even the replies are calling them out on their retardation.

>>715573182
microtransactions are illegal in europe?

>>715573035
Can you subscribe for 2000 years? I don't even know how WoW subscriptions work. I figured it was a monthly renewal but according to your post you can presubscribe. In that case I'd assume they put a cap on how far ahead you can subscribe

>>715573182
This is an important factor to consider. Among European nations, going to court is considered to be the last resort, there is no culture of Karens that yell at people to come get their managers or suing people to get money from them and going into a debt to procure something is vastly less popular in European countries than it is in the US.

You sold me access to the server for 30 days, so now I want my fucking copy of the game after it dies.

Don't even dare to move skins and other paid content to be time limited subscriptions.

>>715573308
This, but unironically

>>715572446
>>715572462
>>715572763
>>715572787
you know shills get paid per engagement, right? you're handing him rupees with every (you)

>>715573279
>Article 17 §1 of the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union. No one may be deprived of his or her possessions, except in the public interest and in the cases and under the conditions provided for by law, subject to fair compensation being paid in good time for their loss
Taking away access to purchased goods is illegal.

>>715573381
I consider it an act of charity

>>715569607
>ACTUAL DEVS HAVE SPOKEN
kek
>sell online game
>>with no online features
yea real 150 IQ dev
>i speak 5 fucking languages. fluently
test was fucking rigged
>https://openpsychometrics.org/tests/FSIQ

>>715573441
well u better go sue them
or are you not allowed to sue anybody in europe like you said

>>715569607
>IP
its your fault for not planning ahead that now your IP is in jeopardy, last time I checked Capcom still has the rights to Megama X Dive and all they would have to do on a post SKG world is give steam codes to customers.

>>715573572
Who's gonna pay for it?

>>715573572
Why should I do that when I can get the government to get them for me? It is meant to represent my interests, so there we go. Citizen's initiative to make the corporations stop doing illegal shit.

>>715564748
Zoomies grew up with matchmaking, the plague of all multiplayer games, and have no idea the joys of being able to simply join a server without needing to wait for some dumb queueing system or getting to recognize players you eventually befriend.

>>715572446
morning consult survey, google it
>>715572462
I'm against making the industry worse, needlessly selling games as GaaS, and making shitty legislation that hurts consumer rights instead of helps them
>>715572716
I am suggesting that, and I never moved the goalposts, it's quite clear I made the exact same argument from the beginning. If you effectively outlaw selling games by making laws companies cannot comply with then their only option is to sell GaaS, and don't talk to me about viability when their current strategy is to make it intentionally unviable by selling at a loss to make it more attractive and condition people in to GaaS uptake.
>>715572787
foxhole couldn't work without sharded servers, that's enterprise level tech that an end user can't get a hold of, not feasable for a small community project, some other game called the falconeer used something simmilar collaborating with microsoft using azure hosting, you can't force these third parties to provide hosting or maintainance to end users directly, Scavengers, 30 dev team at launch used ai factions
>>715573381
you're shilling for GaaS corpo bootlicker, why are you trying to ruin my games by promoting your shitty business practices with your fake movement full of botted signatures given inorganic momentum through manufactured twitch streamer edrama

>>715573717
u just said its illegal currently so you don't need a citizens initiative
u need a lawyer

>>715573235
Just because I don't have kids doesn't mean I'll ignore the objective fact that non-whites are not and never will be a friend to my race no matter how much we sweat and die for them. The same goes for corporations which is why SKG is a net-good thing.

>>715573862
Buddy, you don't sue someone for breaking the law, the government does

>>715573818
>making laws companies cannot comply with
How strange that two decades ago companies could push the envelope and comply with those laws before they even existed. If your software cannot do what old software could, on vastly more inferior hardware, yours is not good software. Move along now.

>>715573971
a LAWYER
in your case, a GOVERNMENT LAWYER does
you can go EMAIL A GOVERNMENT LAWYER
or just a NORMAL LAWYER who will CONTACT THE GOVERNMENT LAWYER ON YOUR BEHALF

>>715574049
That's what we're doing. We're making contact with EU parliament, and submitting a million signatures to demonstrate that it's a far reaching problem

>>715574049
Oh shit, our bad, we will cancel the EU initiative immediately.

Is that what you expect to happen? Or are just crying for the sake of crying?

Go fuck yourself. Things are already in motion and you can't stop them. Cope and seethe.

>>715573572
To answer your initial question. No one has sued be it lawyers or customers, because it wasn't worth the time and effort for an individual. EU has civil law and not common law like USA, a single win in the court doesn't make new law as precedent.
SKG tackles this holistically in the civil law framework. Adding a new law in the books directly is the way to go.

My Software Development 1 class in college told me that when developing software one of the first things to do is to recognize requirements.

Is that a lie? a lot of devs are talking as if they would just skip the requirement phase and disregard the law completely so they would find themselves between a rock and a hard place where they would either give away their IP or have to work to make a version of the game that is offline which would take ages to develop and of course a lot of money they already lost on a dead game.

Shills Lost.
Aquafag lost (as usual)
Contrarians lost.

Gamers WON and RISING UP

>>715574165
WHAT eu initiative
u said microtransactions are illegal, which is something you can have investigated by a legal entity right this very second
that has nothing to do with skg, they aren't even asking for that in their proposals, only that the game itself remains playable

>>715573985
>How strange that two decades ago
in 20 years the gap between consumer and enterprise hardware has widened by orders of magnitude, computers just aren't made in the same way, software is still made for server hosting, it's just that now when you program software to be hosted by servers you have access to so much more, and there's no reason for anyone to limit themselves to consumer hosting unless they really wanted to, that's just the way the technology has developed for various reasons like managing latency

>>715573818
>morning consult survey
Is that the company that employs you and gives you onedrive links to fetch talking points from?

>>715573381
Do you have a source for this?

>>715571719
>The EU should really take a closer look at any ''sbscribtion'' game that sells you ingame items/skins.

They already have and a recent guidance document suggests that publishers should avoid any terms of contract that allow them to unilaterally cease providing that ingame purchased content, or offer consumers appropriate refunds - lest they run the risk of receiving fines from the authorities for violating the Unfair Commercial Practices Directive (2005/29, iirc).

>>715574315
also a server that supports 5000 people and a server that supports 500 people are completely different software

>>715574440
hello saar

>>715572801
>>Won't apply to my favorite gacha since it will be grandfathered into not having to comply.
gacha games have been the only liveservice market to set a good example for post eos support.

>>715574292
Mating press all Aqua posters.

>>715574440
>screenshotting your own leddit shillpost and then presenting it as evidence here
lel
lelmao even

>>715574478
have they? I refuse to play Genshin or ZZZ in their current state but I'd totally buy them if they were fully fledged one-time purchase games. Will that be a thing eventually?

>>715574249
you're right but their only option would just be to sell it as GaaS instead
>>715574319
>ask for source
>look up source to something I already know and provide it
>still not happy
I accept your concession
>>715574440
they don't even know what they want, try asking them in this ship of theseus game with half of the features cut out which things matter, they can't tell you. one will say you can play no man's sky with 32 people, one will say you have to have the same functionality, none of them know, the people running it don't know. it's all just a load of crap lol, but it's funny pointing out how wrong they all are and watching them squirm

>>715574574
a few smaller gacha have implemented post server shutdown updates, Senran Kagura new link was the most recent to do this.

>>715573818
>If you effectively outlaw selling games by making laws companies cannot comply with then their only option is to sell GaaS
Arguing that making proper decommission plans for your upcoming games is some herculean task is asinine and no one is buying it. The games will be designed from ground up with end of life plans in mind. It will become industry standard.

>>715574763
You didn't give me a source, you gave me a name of the company that conducts those surveys, give me the actual study that confirms your statements or fuck off. I'm not going to be winning your arguments for you.

>>715574249
>Is that a lie?
No.
> a lot of devs are talking as if they would just skip the requirement phase
Those are what we in the professional - i.e. not videogames - industry would label as MORONS.
> and disregard the law completely
And those are what we would label as DUMBFUCKING morons and a LIABILITY.

>>715574763
yeah most of this proposal is completely ridiculous
they basically have 2 solid points
>single player games need to be playable offline
>put a sticker on the box that says game will die

>>715571658
Reagan did that though

This will cause a giant decline in the European market.

Companies are greedy but not stupid. They are not forced to publish their games in Europe. Now everything will be exclusive to America or Japan thanks to SKG

>>715574763
It's always funny watching people scramble when they realize regulating digital goods doesn't mean banning them, it just means they can't pull the rug after they've taken your money. Nobody's saying shut down GaaS, they're saying if you flip the switch, you'd better give people a lamp instead of just turning off the sun. Half these devs cry foul about "infrastructure complexity" like they weren’t already using prefab engines with modular netcode. They built castles on sand and now blame the tide.

>>715574876
Imagine someone making software that stores sensitive data, never goes over legal requirements for the software, breaks the law, then complains about regulations, lol.

>>715574986
>but but but but but the eu is such a big market they cannot afford it!
>oh sorry here you go, the skg-compliant version of our game which has no online services. no that'll still be 80 dollars. you can just lan party it bro.

>>715574763
>you're right but their only option would just be to sell it as GaaS instead
This isn't the get out of jail free card you think it is moron. Saying that you sell GaaS in your EULA doesn't count for squat.

so the saars have switched their argument to saying that if this goes through every game will be gaas
LMAO

>>715574841
>proper decommission plans
the EU already regulates this, you have no obligations after 3 years, if you want more ask for more, but don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining by dressing up a convoluted community project, which for most AAA games and some indies is impossible to comply with as "proper decomission plans". they simply won't do it and will just sell the games as GaaS instead
>>715574989
see above, and good luck trying to host 2 jillion petabytes of photogrammetry data for your flight sim 24 community server project moron
>then dont make the game
they will and they'll sell it as GaaS, congratulations moron, you just ruined games for everyone

>corporations are firing people because they have to see a profit every quarter
>thinking that they'll exit the entire european market which will drop 30% of their revenue to drop instead of paying 1 million or so for a server guy to write a crappy private server program

lol lmao why are you guys so retarded

>>715574986
See >>715567474

>>715574989
yeah because a game for a million people is way fuckin different than a server running in ur house

>>715566861
Hmmmmmmm oh yes those corporate shill tears are delicious

Holy shit

https://livestreamfails.com/clip/176439

>>715574315
>computers just aren't made in the same way
You know nothing about computers. Shut the fuck up. They are made in exactly the same way, the only thing that has changed is the number of semiconductors crammed onto a wafer due to minituarization. The size of a semiconductor of a Gforce 460, under Fermi architecture was 40nm. Today, Blackwell, utilizes the 4nm process for the 5090 series GPU's, which is a tenfold size decrease. The chips made for those GPU's came from the same exact fucking TSMC fab. Just shut the fuck up, I will kill you, I swear, I will turn you into fucking sand and make myself a GPU out of you and I will force that GPU to play the Maabus episode from Ross' Game Dungeon on repeat, forever.
>software is still made for server hosting
What a stupid fucking non-answer. And the skies are blue. And your posts are retarded shitposts.
>it's just that now when you program software to be hosted by servers you have access to so much more,
Oh yes, so much more, like, uhhhhhhhhhhhh...a 20tb drive to store user profiles. Wow, I really need that to host a game for myself and my friends!
>and there's no reason for anyone to limit themselves to consumer hosting
LIMIT THEMSELVES? This is LIBERATING yourself, you fucking animal. Why the FUCK would I want some corporation whose only goal is to nickel and dime me to take part in ANY aspect of what I own?
>that's just the way the technology has developed for various reasons like managing latency
You don't fucking talk to me about managing latency you troglodyte, most of your fucking AAA dogshit games fall apart if you introduce tickrates into them that go above 10Hz, you boast about the supposed superior server solutions compared to user solutions but your mass produced garbage cannot survive even the slightest hint of scrutiny and run games on artificial 300 ms delays.

>>715563937 (OP)
>any last words corpo shills?
I own all my roms on multiple hard drives and such, but seriously LOL you guys.
This is going to turn out horribly for you guys.

>>715563937 (OP)
all me btw :^)
prepare for a nasty surprise skgfags

>>715575064
>it costs too much to remove online requirements
>that's why we're going to remove online requirements for euros
Not sending your best

>>715575541
hats a lot of words to basically say you've never been in a data center in ur life

>>715575218
>they simply won't do it and will just sell the games as GaaS instead
You are actually brain damaged aren't you? This does not absolve them of anything. ALL GaaS will still have to have end of life plans unless they go to the WoW monthly subscription model. And that's not happening as i told you 2 replies ago.

>>715575604
>it costs too much money to make 2 online requirements
>so we will make 0

>>715575612
I'm a computer systems technician, I will flay you alive and wear you fucking skin as a moron party suit.

>>715575541
You're arguing with someone who can't even figure out the shift and period keys.

>>715568186
>you want more GaaS? why?
Won't happen

>>715575706
then you need to go take a look at your server room cause you listed off a bunch of irrelevant shit
"gpus are gpus"
'cpus are cpus"
no fucking shit sherlock

>I'm a computer systems technician, I will flay you alive and wear you fucking skin as a moron party suit.

>>715566694
We won already, just let scream into the void.

Does the games industry REALLY expect me to believe that even removing the external services that wouldn't be required for community servers, that the server game logic would be too hard for a consumer level device to handle? If so, maybe my suspicions of the games industry being staffed by moneys is correct.

>>715576165
*monkeys
Maybe money is correct too, just a pit that fiat currency gets absorbed into for no real tangible benefit.

>>715576149
nigger the eu hasn't even considered any of this yet and the one guy in parliament that supports you only supported like 2 things skg said and they were the easiest (and most legal) ones to implement

>>715575894
You don't even know what tickrate is and you know nothing about computing, gamedev or videogames either, since you did not realize why my examples were pertinent or what they related to. It was a litmus test and you've failed it, as I expected you would, because you're a paid shill jeet. I also made no mention about CPU's at all, so you're also probably on some sort of meds that make you hallucinate things that weren't there. That's pretty funny in retrospect. Do your employers know you're mentally ill? Or was that why you were hired in the first place?

>>715575904
I can't think of any better use for the likes of you.

>>715575604
if online requirements are more expensive, then why include them at all? you're throwing money away

>>715576384
>i made a dungeon wizard test by spewing bullshit about stuff i know nothing about and you failed
i've met you pcmr fucktards you think you're hot shit because you know how many transistors your radeon gpu has
the argument anon made was enterprise hardware and consumer hardware are not even in the same ballpark, which they aren't

>guys check out my new gaming pc haha look its just like my desktop at home
>it even runs wind-oh i mean zOS!

>>715576927
>dungeon wizard test
Your shill buddy was talking about "latency solutions" and I mocked him for it and rightfully so. Do you want a turn too?
>about stuff i know nothing about
I have forgotten more about it than you ever knew of it.

Enterprise hardware runs on software developed on consumer hardware. Computers are not magic black boxes whose workings are mysterious and inexplicable. It would take from a couple of weeks to a month of work at most, if employing the same people that were involved in the process of setting them up, without having to re-educate your workforce, and in possession of documentation, to repackage most online only game servers and release them as software that a windows me computer in your mom's basement could run.

>>715577401
yeah you actually have no fucking clue what you're talking about sorry
you obviously don't work in development and if you do you need your certs revoked

If your game REQUIRES enterprise level hardware for basic server game logic, you fucking suck.

>>715577487
You don't need "certs" to be a developer, you stupid monkey. You're an embarrassment. Your lords truly are not sending their best. Or maybe the likes of you are all they've got now, since even the dumbest normalfaggots can understand the principles of personal ownership.

>>715577589
welcome to modern development
and it's not just the hardware like this guy keeps thinking it all boils down to
games run a lot of microservices which are not separable from the server without an extreme amount of rearchitecturing, we're basically talking about reprogramming the entire game

>>715577697
If you are programming something in a way that can't be decoupled from a microservice, that's just bad software development because what if you need to change providers?

>>715577753
yeah there's a fuckin hundred microservices in these games did u not see that fuckin webm ross made listing the 100 different microservices he wants them to disable
now imagine that but there's 100 more that can't be removed

>>715577824
At most, you would need the networking logic. Most of the microservices aren't required for it. What type of third party service can you think of that would be required even if the game is no longer managed by the developers?
Also, reliance on microservices is a fucking pain point for me because no matter how many times I point out that relying on these services instead of a general framework we can plug and play, fucking code MONKEYS go "ooh ooh ah ah" and make niggerlicious code.

>>715577697
Great. Sounds like shitty nodevs are about to be regulated out of the industry

>>715577959
yeah thats basically every aa and aaa developer
i keep saying ross lives in 2005 where developers made their own infra but that world is long gone
ross's recommendation was to just force middleware developers to renegotiate and give their software away for free, which is laughable at best and extremely dangerous at worst

>>715578128
>AAA collapses because of their own decisions of hiring code monkeys that can't program for shit
Sounds like a win to me.

>>715577948
You're talking to a bird right now, as far as he is concerned software is magic and computers are Lament Configuration-esque boxes that summon demons if you talk to them wrong. Just a dumb niggermonkey that collects a paycheck for shilling. He won't be able to give you an answer because he doesn't understand how these things are employed or implemented because he has a google onedrive link with talking points he copies and pastes here to shill for his company.

Was funny seeing all the shill posts ramp up when they realised it was a legit threat.

>>715578128
>yeah thats basically every aa and aaa developer
It's about time. They said the crash would never happen

>>715573278
He doesn't have proof, he's a corpo rightoid trying to poison the well and cause divisions in SKG using culture war shit while also false flagging.

>>715567453
We're gonna get answers one way or another.

>>715577697
>if I toss around some technobabble my post will sound credible
1. devs stub all that shit out when testing
2. you don't need 99% of that shit (player retention systems, payment processing, frustration detection, loss streak prevention, tax/vat compliance services, regional pricing support, proxy detection, stream service support, etc.) to host the goddamn game

>>715575163
They try to say this but then i point out that GOG exists and that devs like Larian, CDPR, Owlcat etc. will allways put their games on GOG DRM free. God Bless GOG and God bless European developers.

>>715575626
>that's not happening
actually it is lmao
>>715575541
>They are made in exactly the same way
they're not, threading changed a lot so even a single server can host thousands of clients in a game, there was no concept of that 20 years ago, now you have games like eve online that are monolithic, hard drives have changed, the kind of networking they use in clusters, can't do that on a small community project, and most of it is built on proprietary software
>Wow, I really need that to host a game for myself and my friends!
a modern AAA game? you need tremendous power that just isn't available to end users, and in the case of proprietary things they're not even publicly available to anyone
>LIMIT THEMSELVES?
yes you fucking moron, why would they arbitrarily make something that only consumer hardware could host, are you mentally deficient?
>most of your fucking AAA dogshit games fall apart if you introduce tickrates into them that go above 10Hz
yeah and somehow they're going to work on consumer hardware? what do you do exactly in this computer systems technician job? make coffee, clean the fans? get the fuck out of here

>>715581113
>a modern AAA game? you need tremendous power that just isn't available to end users,
nice joke. anyone can host a game of battlefield or fifa
anyone can host MMOs like wow. no need for an 8x cpu mobo with 12TB of RAM and ten 40g ethernet ports

>>715577753
>that's just bad software development
says who? you have no concept of what you're talking about and what even goes in to making a modern game, what most consumers even expect, you're a genXer stuck in your millenial bubble. flight sim 24 is like a technological marvel, you have no conception of what AI and vast computing power can do so you just choose to be ignorant of it because you're an ideological hack, shut the fuck up and keep your nonsense regulations away from my games

>>715577948
>What type of third party service can you think of that would be required even if the game is no longer managed by the developers
it wouldn't matter if I listed hundreds, because you idiots just say NUH UH, UNREAL TOURNAMENT DIDN'T NEED THAT, JUST PLAY UNREAL because you're ignoramuses who refuse to get with the times, literal neo luddites I'm talking to
>>715578207
>computers are Lament Configuration-esque boxes
based on the general lack of understanding here they might as well be

>>715581327
Cool, one game has done something cool and that game still has an offline mode.

>>715581429
I noticed it took you till page 10 for it. I'll ask again when it comes to the next inevitable thread. I'm feeling generous, because I've got nothing going on right now.
I'll give you a "free" one that I can deconstruct: Map data for flight sim games, which I can point to and say "They still offer offline modes".

>>715581323
>why can't you
>concisely explains reasons why
>NUH UH ackshually u can *drool*
okay dog, here's your (you), keep shilling for GaaS

>>715581327
Also, you still didn't actually address my main point that you would need your code to be modular and decouple from services because if your company is no longer using that service, you need as minimal code refactoring as possible
>We never change services
BULLSHIT

>>715581541
wrong, 24 does not have an offline mode, and you couldn't even make the core features of the game work offline so there's no point, as for other features asked and answered, most are boring backend things you wouldn't even begin to understand

>>715581683
>most are boring backend things you wouldn't even begin to understand
Do they impact the core features of the game to make it playable? If so, what are they?

>>715581673
will flight sim ever stop using all the proprietary shit microsoft used to build it? no. will new world stop using all the proprietary shit amazon used to build it? no. these games are custom built with specific proprietary hardware in mind
>>715581780
backend stuff to do with latency, yes. features of the game like huge simultaneous player count, world generation AI, literally hundreds of things are going on all at the same time and like this other idiot said accidentally arguing in my favour, if you fuck with the latency even a little bit the whole thing implodes, there's sharded servers and proprietary ai latency management that just isn't available to end users