god help us

Most PS2 games are old enough to drink now

>BREAKING NEWS: TIME PASSES
What the fuck is the point of this thread?

>>715565863
i don't like it

>>715565849
It is much more than 16 years old anon.

>>715565863
let him cope

Ps3 is retro

Mega drive will always be king for me. So many fun times i had with it.
From the ps4 I only remember that I bought it and played a couple decent games and that's it

Is Skyrim allowed on /vr/ yet or are they still in denial?

>Banjo-Kazooie was the defining game of my childhood
>shit's coming up on 30 years old sooner rather than later
Meh.

>>715565747 (OP)
I'm still stuck in the mindset that people's first console were either a 8bit or 16bit system.

>>715565747 (OP)
>DOOM
>FEEL THE YEARS PASS BEFORE YOU
>FEAR YOUR MORTALITY
>EMBRACE THE EXESTENTIAL CRISIS
No. OP is a fag

still waiting for the moment when the /v/ hivemind will stop thinking that ps3 is not retro and that it's a shit console

>>715565967
Some kid's first console was a PS5 at this point.

>>715566028
The /vr/ rules are clear, the ps3 is NOT RETRO

>>715565917
Drinking is 21 everywhere in America.

>>715565863
If only video games porgressed just as fast, they are stuck doing nothing interesting.

>>715566028
All of these games play exactly like newer games. Only thing differentiating them is the lack of pajeet assets.

>>715566146
Explain how you can vote, drive a car, buy a bazooka and join the army but not have a beer

>>715565919
His cope is wallowing in self-pity and detrimental to everybody.
Find a reason to live nigga
Realise that there are people out there who don't fear death and can also welcome it when it comes nigga
Get off your fat ass and start trying nigga
Read some philosophy nigga

>>715566091
cope
it will become retro one day and you will ack yourself
>>715566214
>All of these games play exactly like newer games
this is why we need to remaster 15+ year old games now?
no they don't anon, the fun factor is missing, that alone makes them very different from the modern corporate dogshit for the masses

>>715566146
That matters how?

>>715566146
america doesn't matter

>>715565931
Indeed. Later this year it will be 19 years since its release, I already consider it retro like the Xbox 360 and Wii.

>>715566512
Well I consider you straight, but that doesn't make it true now, does it?

>>715565747 (OP)
When I got into DQ (2005) i thought of it as an ancient franchise along with MGS, Castlevania, FF, etc, now I have been with it for like half the franchise lifespan.
Pretty crazy, it's like Japs who went from DQ1 to DQ8 but way worse, those niggas went from pixels to full fledged 3D graphics, I went from 3D graphics to slighty better 3D graphics.

>>715565747 (OP)
>SH3 is old enough that it just graduated University with a degree in media studies where it can talk about itself. Think about that.

>>715566627
Correct, that doesn't make it true, I'm asexual.
If a cosnole almost 19 years old with 2 successors released (PS4 and PS5) isn't retro, then I don't know what is, if people still don't consider Xbox 360 a retro or outdated console, I disagree, full stop.

Saddest part is seeing certain genres come and go.
Still to this day I am waiting for a new classic style RE game. Outside of vanillaware high production value 2D games are dead. Oh and the stagnation of video game music oh look its generic block buster orchestral shit #99.

>>715566353
Is The Last of Us 2 a retro game? It got a remaster after all.

>>715565931
It's a retro oldschool classic hidden gem of yesteryear.

>>715565931
Everything before 2013 is. The Mayans were right, just not in the way we thought. 2012 wasn't the end of the world, it was the end of an era.

>>715567049
>I'm asexual
Didn't ask, but that's the faggots for you. Leading with your sexuality
>I disagree, full stop.
Good for you

>>715567129
it's not 15 years old (or whatever is the modern time-frame for "updating" thing nowadays is) so no anon, it's definitely not retro, your gotcha didn't quite work, try again.

>>715567129
My reference is something like ''if someone is old enough to play a game rated for teenagers was born in the same year of said game or around that time, it's a retro game''. A Random example is Hyperidmension Neptunia, it's rated T for Teen which is fine, but even someone who was born in 2010 or 2011 when it was originally released can play it and it's not ''I shouldn't be playing this yet''.

So, anything of 2012 are retro games.

>>715566091
Lmao the PS3 will be a hundred years old and they will still pretend it isn't retro.

Everyone I know has regressed into retro gaming.

A retro game is a game where you have no hope of modern audiences picking it up and intuitively knowing how to play it
Fight me

Calling the PS3 retro because of how many years ago it launched is the same as calling Nirvana classic music. The PS3 and by extension most PS2 games are not retro. GTA V is a fucking PS3 game, calling GTA V a retro game is absolute retarded.

>>715567407
What I was getting at is that there is no "modern time-frame for updating things", devs do remasters whenever the fuck they want. There's no "need" to remaster anything, and 15 years is an arbitrary number that you've conjured in your head and try to pass as a rule.

>>715567610
Retro is not age but a style. HD can NEVER EVER be retro.

>>715567661
>GTA V is a fucking PS3 game

>>715567807
and yet we remake games released barely 15-20 years ago, so that makes it, in the eyes of the modern industry, an appropriate time to re-imagine or update things, besides tlou is obviously the big exception here because you will struggle to name another similar example
obviously I agree that remasters in general are a waste of time but that's not what the discussion is about

>>715567661
Nirvana is retro. They're a 90s band.

>>715567989
Just proves how cancerous the AAA model is.

>>715567661
GTA V isn't retro because it came out after 2012. GTA IV is retro, it came out in 2008 and you can tell.

>>715565931
One more year

>>715567661
>is the same as calling Nirvana classic music
Classic rock stations play grunge now. Words can't describe how old I felt when I heard one play Black Hole Sun.

>>715565747 (OP)
Yeah.... I keep thinking in my mind that PS3 and 360 are only like 10 years old max.
>PS5 is 5 years old
>Switch 1 is 7 years old
>PS4 is almost 12 years old
>PS VITA is 13 years old
>3ds is 14 years old
>360 and ps3 are 19 years old
>PSP and DS are 21years old
>gamecube, xbox and ps2 are 24 years old
>N64 is 29 years old
>PS1 is 31 years old
All of this "feels" off.
Like everything here should be closer to 10 years younger.
Time feels like its simultaneously going slower and faster at the same time.
There isn't really much of a technological leap forward from PS4 to now and I have little to no excitement for a PS6.

It also feels like being a "gamer" isn't a subculture anymore. 20 years ago, you learned the ins and outs of games, everyone played around a screen even if it was single player and bonded over games. You shared cool finds, and you all got together and played on voice chat without fear of catching bans.
Now, you ask someone if they like games they talk about how much they spend on some shitty GACHA game and barely comprehend mechanics of regular games. No one plays together anymore, couch co-op is dead, no one talks in lobbies, and it feels like being alone for the most part and playing a story.

It's weird.
Maybe my mind gravatates to the positive memories being sooner than they really were.

>>715568179
Soon they're gonna start playing the White Stripes and My Chemical Romance.

>>715565747 (OP)
>Genesis
>19 years old
Fucking retard, the Genesis came out 10 years ago in 1988.

>>715568060
>>715568179
I said Classic music, you know Beethoven? "Classic rock", "Retro 90's rock" still fall under the modern music umbrella.

>>715568143
GTA IV isn't retro, it's a modern game that looks and plays just like any other modern game.

>>715568518
Everything about GTA IV screams recession Lehman Brothers era. It would already feel dated if it came out in 2011.

>>715566146
>can vote, buy guns, troon out and die for israel at 18 years old
>but drinking is for 21 years old
america is retarded

>>715566146
That's to buy alcohol, not to drink, and there's an exception for military

>>715568610
Sure but still not a retro game, it's modern game. GTA 1 and 2 are retro games for reference.

>GTA IV trannies already nostalgiafagging
gta 4 is a dogshit game that only pseuds like it for being "le mature"

Retro isn't a magical set period of time, it's a change in design philosophy
Hell, the SNES became retro the day the PS1 and Saturn came out. For better or worse, its era as the main definition of "a video game" was over by 1995 and the new paradigm had arrived.

The PS360 era still hasn't ended. We're coming up on year fucking twenty of seventh gen games. There is no discernable "eighth gen" or "ninth gen" which is why Skyrim and Bamham and The Last of Us can keep being republished with virtually no alterations.

See also: Resident Evil 3 being remade 20 years later and changing almost everything; Resident Evil 4 being remade 20 years later and changing almost nothing. Doom Eternal is older right now than Wolfenstein 3D was when Half-Life came out.

The calendar still moves, but is time really passing?

>>715566243
21 was the original age of majority for most things, but during WW2 they needed more bodies for the front lines so they lowered the draft age from 21 down to 18. That led to the "old enough to fight, old enough to vote" movement which got the voting age lowered to match the draft age. Other things slowly came down in age, but drinking has persisted with the original age of 21 due to cultural perceptions around drinking.

>>715565945
The latter, and many of them still bitch about the 6th gen being allowed on the board.

>>715568637
see: >>715568817
The youngest age for the military was 21 until it got lowered to 18 for the WW2 draft in 1942.

>>715566193

>>715568193
it's because we've been in limbo since 2010

>>715567661
/mu/ here, youre a retard. please stop posting about things you have no authority over.

>>715568179
>here's an oldie that your grandparents used to listen to
>*billie eilish song plays*

>>715568974
Man I remember buying game magazines and seeing screenshots of PS2 games and being mindblown.

>>715569070
>I'm trans btw
ok, now go back

>>715568974
>>715568776
It's really painful that we lived our whole lives experiencing "holy fuck, I've never even SEEN a video game like that" over and over, sometimes twice a year, and then around 2007 it stopped happening and never happened again and now there's adults who have gone their whole lives without experiencing it and imagine we're making it up

>>715568059
>and yet we remake games
I don't, and neither do you.
>so that makes it, in the eyes of the modern industry, an appropriate time to re-imagine or update things
That makes it, in the eyes of the publishers, a quick way to make money again off of things they've already sold.
>tlou is obviously the big exception here
Yes.
>because you will struggle to name another similar example
If there's another game that got remastered after just 4 years, I've never heard of it, but I can give you more examples of games remastered nowhere near your 15 years mark.
>inb4 SEE THAT'S NOT THE SAME THEN
faggot

>Mass Effect Trilogy
2007, 2010, 2012, remaster 2021 (14, 11, and 9 years respectively)
>Myst
original 1993, remaster 2000 (7 years later)
>Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit
2010 (no it's not a remater of the very original one, it only shares a title), remaster 2020 (10 years later)
>Call of Duty: Modern Warfare
1: 2007, remaster 2016 (9 years later)
2: 2009, remaster 2020 (11 years later)

Do I need to keep going, or is it enough for you to move goalpost?

>>715566243
Because then you'd be able to vote, drive a car, buy a bazooka and join the army while being drunk

>>715569334
>I don't, and neither do you.
Uh yeah the industry does
>That makes it, in the eyes of the publishers, a quick way to make money again off of things they've already sold.
Regardless of what it is, people buy them
>Do I need to keep going, or is it enough for you to move goalpost?
but that makes it even worse tho, people here argue that an almost 20 year old console is supposedly not retro yet we remake games made barely 10 years ago

>>715569329
Crysis was the last one

>>715566214
>All of these games play exactly like newer games
so what, retro is about how old something is, not a gameplay genre

>>715565747 (OP)
>>715565849
VICE CITY IS A LOT CLOSER TO THE ACTUAL 80s
THAN IT IS TO TODAY

IN THE FUTURE PEOPLE WILL THINK IT'S BASICALLY CONTEMPORARY FOR ITS TIME

>>715569823
>retro is about how old something is
Wrong.

>there's not a single game worth playing since the ps2

grim, gothiqueske even

>>715568906
They were right, all it really did was kill 8bit discussion.
/v2k/ board was a much better idea.

>>715565863
To laugh at zoomers. Imagine your "first" console, your favorite "first" game, is the sequel to the sequel to the reboot to the sequel 16 times over, kek.

>>715569247

>>715566146
Why do Americans not allow children to do ANYTHING?

>>715566323
well i cant

>>715570315
60% of the US (the good states) has it at 16.

>>715570315
The federal AOC is set at 18 for purposes of interstate coordination so you can't intentionally cross state lines for the purpose of violating your home state's AOC, but each state has their own AOC, and for the majority of states it's 16, followed by 17, and only 2 or 3 states actually set it at 18.

>>715570315
the US doesn't have a federal AOC law. about half the states set it to 16. a number set it to 17. only like 1/3 do 18

>>715570315
so much of this is wrong lmao

>>715569823
>>715569942
On the bingbing wahoo side, Super Mario World was retro five years after it came out
Super Mario Sunshine is now 23 years old and that nigga looks exactly the same

>>715565849
i wouldn't recommend drinking a ps2 game thoughbeit

>>715570647
There is a federal AOC, but it only applies to the circumstances >>715570549 mentioned, and also sex tourism.

Zoomers be like: "Damn nigga dat retro game be looking real lit!"

>>715566146
did i fucking ask

>>715570875
Tekken 6, Soul Calibur 5 and Street Fighter IV are retro brah

>>715570875
GTA V is a retro game and you cant convince me that its not

>>715570315
this is wrong at least for Brazil.
you have to be 14 to have sex with another 14 year old (unenforceable), if you're 18 your consenting partner has to be at least 16, and if it's a sexual abuse case and they're not at least 18 you're also getting tried as a pedophile.

>>715570875
>>715571064
>>715571069
>Dang, I used to play that game on dad's old retro console! Shit was real lit, fr fr on god bruv!

>>715570875
actual modern AAA open world games look immensely better than this, anon.

>>715570052
I actually like that idea a lot more than the stupid /v/ spinoffs we got over the past few years.

>>715566091
just wait until november, your time is coming /vr/!

>>715571208
>>715571069
*blocks you're path*

>>715571069
no because it is played on/with current hardware

>>715571120
>if it's a sexual abuse case and they're not at least 18 you're also getting tried as a pedophile.
But what if you explain the difference between pedophilia and hebephilia to the judge?

>>715571441
hardware from 2005

>>715566028
It is retro, but it's also sony's last console worth buying

>>715571579
>360
Not retro. Do you also think movies from 2005 are retro?

>>715571614
*It isn't retro

>>715571695
>Do you also think movies from 2005 are retro?
yeah... its been 20 years, anything older than a decade is retro

>>715571781
>Avengers Assemble is retro

>>715571781
Zoomers' sense of age in things is so fucked up.

>>715571695
was snes retro in 2005?

>>715571919
Yes. Snes was retro as soon as the PS1 came out.

>>715571891
The way time has ceased progressing is fucked up
I woke up one day and turned on the news to find the #1 movie in the world was Wolverine, the #1 album in the world was Taylor Swift, and Putin was invading Ukraine

>>715565747 (OP)
>god help us
Indeed.

>>715572038
Don't forget everyone suddenly getting freshly upset over Israel and Palestine as if that hasn't been going on for 50 years.

>>715572262
they are only getting upset now because cameras with internet are becoming more common and because of that there's more footage

>>715571964
>>715571964
>>715571964
I'll concede that PS3 and 360 are retro the day games come out that make me go "holy fuck you couldn't even conceptualize that game on a PS3 or 360," the way an NES owner would feel looking at Sonic the Hedgehog, a Genesis owner would feel looking at Metal Gear Solid, a PSX owner would feel looking at Grand Theft Auto 3

does retro just mean "not widescreen" now?

>>715571695
The 2000s is a retro decade. It had more in common with the 90s than it did with the 2010s, because it was mostly still pre-smartphone.

you can boot up a 360 or ps3 right now and earn achievements, play zogbot simulators online, buy digital games and DLC, join voice chats, etc
they'll never be retro

>>715565747 (OP)

>>715572762
>they'll never be retro
then whats even retro

>>715571919
The technology gap between the SNES and the 360 is a million times greater than between the 360 and the PS5

>>715572762
No you can't, Xbox Live closed last year.

>>715572961
no it didn't, only the 360 marketplace closed but you can still buy digital 360 shit through the website or on xbone. everything else works

>>715572908
>then whats even retro
When something gets invented that's totally novel and makes everything before it obsolete
The way the NES and the Genesis and the PlayStation and the PS2 and arguably the 360 did

Zoomers were literally not alive to witness the awe of a new generation

>>715568193
the switch is 8, you forgot to update your template

>>715573405
they made nothing obsolete, even today in 2025 most games are still 2D games

>>715568776
for some games it feels like this but all these live service slop games with invasive microtransactions feels wholly seperated from the "7th gen game" concept

>>715568359
Yeah bro faceburg hasn't even been invented yet.

Fact: gamers are the most oppressed minority in the world.

>>715566080
My kids talk about the good old days playing Fortnite on PS4.

>>715568179
Mine always has. The only difference between the Alternative station here and the Classic Rock station is that the Alternative station plays Guns 'n' Roses a little less frequently.

>>715565747 (OP)
Based and MEGA-pilled.

Society has collapsed

>>715571491
legally they're the same here.

>>715574556
Left is unironically higher fidelity. Right is goyslop pajeet UE5 assets.

>>715575013
ue5 didnt exist in 2009

>>715575071
>pajeet ue5 shill
Good goy. I'm not a goy like you, goy.

>>715575246
what year do you think ue5 was released in

>>715575246
anon, didn't your mother tell you if you keep pretending to be retarded, one day your brain will get stuck like that

>>715569329
So in the game Shadowbane the graphics weren't anything great but they did expansions and updates and I remenber in one the improved the look of this glowing tree and people just stood around it commenting on how pretty it was and yeah it was like that back then with each new generation.

>2050 is now closer than 2000

>>715565747 (OP)
Those consoles are closer to each other than we are to either.

>>715575013
FF13 was made i SE's proprietary engine and looks nothing like an Unreal Engine game.

>>715566028
It's an internet console. Internet consoles are different from offline consoles in everything, due the fact the way you get profit from em is different.
It's the same difference between arcades and home consoles.
This is why you can't just add internet consoles to the same pile as something like the mega drive.

>>715578001
I've never hooked my ps3 up to the internet, I throw in and it plays the damn game. Xbox360 and ps3 were the perfect midpoint. Best of both worlds

>>715578001
yeah but it had, especially at launch, barebons network services and putting this shit aside it's perfectly usable offline
stop finding random things to cling to to support your retarded argument that it's somehow not retro, it has fucking composite output what are we even talking about

>>715565931
not

>>715578106
>>715578147
Yes, many games on it are "transition games", just like most early games on the NES were basically arcade stuff.
But the internet and store etc lead to the games being developed in a very different way.

>>715568906
For good reason. The board's quality has tanked, and now it's basically /v/ Jr.

>>715578269
>But the internet and store etc lead to the games being developed in a very different way.
uh not really
some games like bioshock had half-assed online multiplayer modes because it was the hot shit at that time but otherwise they were complete single player games, consider it as an extra

>>715566146
We don't care about your irrelevant country.

>>715565849
Drinking is haram habibi.
t. relevant country
(Chechnya)

>>715578517
Well, there was all the CoDs and shit.
Also not wanting to move goalposts, so defining as a different argument, but the achivement shit also allowed the developers to see numbers and make horrible decisions about em, like trying to force people to finish games because the completion ratio is normally pretty low.

>>715578841
>remove online features
>remove achievements
>remove whatever else that you don't like
cool bro, you just gor yourself a ps2

Early ps3 era: retro
Mid ps3 era(like 09-10): not retro

>>715579009
>remove controllers
>remove cartridges
>add a coin slot

and you just got yourself an arcade machine.
I'm not exactly criticizing the generation, i'm just saying that it's a different category.
It has it's own advantages and disadvantages, for example a big one is that the game you want is on the console store itself, you don't need to import it from bunfuck nowhere.
But it's a different beast due it's online nature and you can't just put in the same box.

>>715565863
we must destroy all zoomers

>>715565747 (OP)
It sucks, don't it?
Yesterday, you were young, careless, and everything new hip and exciting.
Now you're old, your bones creak, you feel like someone beat you with a baseball bat in your sleep when you wake up, and the worst part depending on how old you are, you have an entire half a lifetime's worth of this to look forward to.
Oh well, at least we have video games.

>>715580101
>pic related
10 years ago they were cannibalizing these things for the video out circuitry. Would be surprised if there's any working units left.

>>715574556
Right is LR (2013); but you're right.

>>715566028
There are a handful of PS3 games worth playing. Demon's Souls is still the best Souls game.

>>715565863
Lmao SPBP

>>715579646
I sort of agree. You couldn't even buy retail games digitally during 7th gen until 2009 when Xbox 360 introduced "games on demand"

Please God help me. Help me God. I don't deserve this fate.