At what point in time can you pinpoint gaming going from a niche hobby for nerds into something sterile, homogenized and corporate?

Singling out corporatism as the death of nerd hobbies is retarded and is a leftist psychological manipulation tactic. The poorest and richest people on earth are equally contemptive of us.

>>715566514 (OP)
Demons souls is precisely when games got soulless

Wii / 360 / PS3 for sure.

>>715566514 (OP)
wii, mw

>>715566843
This

>>715566843
Winner winner

1972.
In the 60s vidya was exclusively for nerds. You had to be a student at an elite university to even access a computer, and a giant dork to even think about programming or running games on one. Then Pong cabinets let any idiot in a bar play a video game.

>>715566514 (OP)
For me it will always be this. And I don't mention Mass Effect 2 for a reason. I know it was "the start" of it, but ME2 is kino. When I played the first hour of Mass Effect 3 everything already felt overly "trendy" in a way I can't stand, and like "did the same people even make this game" came to my head multiple times. It feels generic in a way ME2 didn't.

When WoW started getting Mr. T commercials.

>>715566514 (OP)
The transition happened in the ps2 era basically. Most people bought the ps2 as a dvd player so you had a bunch of normalfags bandwagon hop into the hobby hence the sudden explosions of drivers and sportslop, gta, frat core shooters and sort of shit. Millenials do not want to admit it because it was still a good era for games, possibly the best admittedly so theyd rather pretend it was the ps3 era (which americans prefer to call the 360 era, to the chagrin of literally everyone else)

Yeah, GTA3.

>>715568840
This, the PS2 in the 2000's was THE console. The PS1 to a lesser extent was a music player at some of our parties.

>>715566514 (OP)
>homogenized and corporate?
1999 with PSX MASSIVE success, gameboycolor getting trillon of licensed games and PC gaming having absolute no quality control over what get release.

If you wan a date:
December 31th, 1998.

>>715571132
The psx released in like 1996 jack ass

>>715571957
1994 sweetie.

>>715566843
Nah, it happen is soon as the original kikebox released. The death of the DC and the emergence of Jeetsoft Kikebox was the deathknell for gaming as we knew it. Allt hose pozzed western devs that were previously stuck on PC started flooding consoles with proto woke garbage and ruined everything.

>>715575160
>The death of the DC and the emergence of Jeetsoft Kikebox
Stopped readibg here, ive heard too many autistic millenials spput this fucking diatribe before

>>715568840
PS3 was a glorified BluRay player so this isnt far off.

>>715566514 (OP)
I'd say the release of Halo.
I don't even hate Halo or anything it just felt like the game that cracked the barrier.

>>715566514 (OP)
Gamergate, and it wasn't sterile, homogenized and corporate, it was woke.

>>715577994
You think woke isn’t a corporate tool? It always is.

>>715566514 (OP)
Sony entering the console market

>>715566514 (OP)
Jak II was based.

>>715566514 (OP)
Seventh gen.

Even in its earlier years it was becoming glaringly obvious that games were losing a lot of their creativity and having a lot of money thrown at them to push out product after product to cast the widest net for the biggest return investment possible. Of course money has always been at stake, but that's when the disconnect really started to occur.

>>715568840
>Most people bought the ps2 as a dvd player
Doubt. I think it would be better to say that some people may have opted to not buy an actual dvd player since the ps2 could play games, but also dvd's (though anyone who owned a fat can tell you it was a shit player anyway)

It happened in 2007 and anyone saying otherwise don't know SHIT about video games.

>>715566514 (OP)
probably 2007 cod4

>>715566514 (OP)
GTA III

>>715566514 (OP)
2013, the Year of Blunders of the Century
>Bioshock Infinite
>Aliens Colonial Marines
>Borderlands 2
>Mass Effect 3

>>715581425
nta but in the years 2000-2001, the PS2 was basically the DVD player of choice for movie enthusiasts. its price was comparable to standalone DVD players (excluding the ultra shitty chink ones that no movie enthusiast would have considered anyway) and PS2 was known to have a decent build quality, which was absolutely not a guarantee when buying early DVD players, even from known brands. the fact that the PS2 could play video games, too, was just gravy. we could argue over what share of early PS2 sales was from people who wanted it for the DVD player more than the video games, but it is undeniable that there were people who bought a PS2 for its ability to play DVDs.

>>715566514 (OP)

It was the seventh gen. Game production became too much of a money/time sink to be fun anymore. COD4 was the very moment where the old fun and the new soulless era eclipsed for a single moment.

>>715581628
COD4 was probably the first AAA bellweather that indicated the direction of future games, but the market wasn't obliterated til Obama, the SJW movement, and Gamergate - that was the real beginning of the Vidya Dark Ages

Some companies did catastrophically lose their direction in the seventh gen but manage to recover some of it in the 8th, such as Capcom when it released RE2/DMC5 after a gen of pure shit.

>>715584257
so one year later?

Honestly, I think "review score" culture of the time is partly to blame. In retrospect, giving games scores for their graphics was childish and did way more harm than good to the industry. We never needed games to compete with each other in that way and forcing that narrative killed a lot of them.

>>715584405
Not defending capcom abysmal output in that timeframe, but it wasn't all shit. We got Mega Man 9, and until street fighter x tekken on disc dlc shit fighting games were going strong again.

>>715585168
True, Mega Man 9 was GOAT. The 2D platformer comeback was one of the silver linings of the gen.

>>715566514 (OP)
The release of Halo 3

>>715566514 (OP)
When normalfags were playing Final Fantasy video games for a couple years back in the late 90s and early 00s. When normalfags stopped playing those shitty games the sales nosedived by the hardcore fan base still thinks it’s a mainstream sales juggernaut

ITT everything went bad at the age i became 17 years old

Remember X-Play?

>>715584257
COD4 sold absurd amounts for the time which brought the corporate eye upon our hobby. Was the progenitor of the battle pass with it's leveling being tied to weapons. Brought in tons of dude bros and started MLG faggotry which brought even more corporatefags attention.

>>715566514 (OP)
>At what point in time can you pinpoint gaming going from a niche hobby for nerds into something sterile, homogenized and corporate?
Sixth generation.
That's when focus shifted squarely to consoles and the only players in the console business became gigantic corporations- Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony.
Anyone saying seventh gen is missing that that was an extension of attitudes and behaviours of the sixth gen.

>>715566514 (OP)
Gen x here.
For me it was when the PS2 came out.
-Sega were failing.
-People were turning enmasse against "arcadey" games
-Journos were rating down games for not having enough story
-The jock/douchebag clerks in game stores would laugh at me when i asked if they had any DC games
-I noticed people who previously thought video games were gay and stupid were now starting to play them because they were becoming more like movies etc
-Japanese studios were starting to disappear

It was a horrible time. I finally had disposable income to purchase consoles i wanted (i bought a GBA, Dreamcast, PS2 and Gamecube) But the quality of games was falling off a cliff and the industry was clearly heading downhill.

>>715586930
*My ps2 was essentially a DVD player that entire generation.
I think i emulated more older games on PC than anything else

>>715569031
DEY PUT DER MASTURUR CHEIF IN DEH SOADEH!!!

>>715587042
PS2 was the Jap game machine
Armored core 2-Last Raven
ZOE
RAD
Robotech Battlecry
Another Century
Fatal Frame
Killer7
Silent Hill 2/3
Shinobi
Nightshade

>>715587691

This ans Ace Combat.

>>715566514 (OP)
Quite literally 7th gen is when that transition happened. Naughty Dog there for example was still a company making platformer/action/adventure games then moved onto making movie games like Uncharted. But my personal example was that the death of the stealth genre died into 7th gen. We never got another Splinter Cell that truly mattered, MGS4 fucking sucked and Thief disappeared off the map after the closing down of Looking Glass Studios. Even during Ion Storm we got a Thief game, but none for that gen.

7th gen is the obvious answer. The swarm of normalfags that the Wii+COD4+HALO3 combo unleashed upon the scene just completely destroyed everything.

>>715590281
>But my personal example was that the death of the stealth genre died into 7th gen
*my personal example was the death of the stealth genre in 7th gen.
typo.

And when you really think about it, even one of the longer running series, Hitman got a kind of a dud game in the series with Absolution. Blood Money was released at the tail end of 6th gen to 7th so i still class it as 6th gen.

the four horsemen of the apocalypse

>>715566514 (OP)
rise of fortnite

>>715586930
>Sega were failing.
This one too. This was the real cutoff point. 2001 was not a good year.
WCW died that year too, that's when I stopped following wrestling.

>>715566514 (OP)
2007. This has already been proven. 2007 the entire world went to shit in 2007 and after. The introduction of the iphone and the beginning of the mobile apocalypse. The internet in every normalfags hand and the spread of social media. There are some other things that happened in 2007 as well but I do not have the image on hand.

>>715593356
What time did big bang theory start airing?
>2007

>>715566843
This and the 2007 financial crisis
Shit only got exarcebated with smartphones.
Been downhill ever since

>>715566514 (OP)
there were always mainstream normie games, and there are still plenty of proper subcultural nerd games. Nothing has changed, just the extent to which normie games have won more normies over, but that won't affect us anyway. It doesn't affect you whether 20 million additional people buy the new fifa or cod compared to last year, or 10 million fewer do. Stop paying attention to AAA slop

>>715566514 (OP)
Worst thing that ever happened. Shills used to say decades ago the normalization would be good for us and would also mean more money invested and better games/graphics. The exact opposite has happened.

>>715566514 (OP)
ps3/xbox 360/wii age when every shooter was a call of duty modern warfare clone

>>715594016

>>715566843
tippy bippy.

>>715590719
so kino, I always use this pic on steam for christmas

>>715566514 (OP)
>Jak 2
The only game I ever rage quit - and I mean literally, throwing my controller at the screen.

I forget where exactly, but I was out along the wooden platforms over the water in the city, then had to run back to safe ground while being attacked.

Spent three days dying over and over again after school before snapping and firing my controller at the CRT lol. Never went back, but bought 3 and X after. Enjoyed them, good games.

>>715566514 (OP)
Death of In-house engines.

i don't remember this obsession with normalfags ruining shit when i was a kid in the 90's. You fags just have a retarded complex and most of the aruguements are just schizoid insinuations of causal relationships rather than actual value judgements

It's like you turn the act of consumption media into the point itself which ironically is a very normalfag thing to do

Plus it's all retrospective. This wasn't the kind of conversation anyone was having back then. It's literally just 4chan anons (and probably late joiners at that) appropriating nerd culture as a whole and acting as an arbiter of it which just gets exponentially more retarded as time goes on plus you fags never stop trying to one up another with the most retarded takes

>>715597029
things hadn't been ruined yet retard
Minecraft has sold the same amount of copies as every SNES game combined and you're acting like things are still the same now as they were thirty years ago

>>715597796
except i reject your reductive false dichotomy. You even saw this shit to a lesser extent with the NES boomers/gen x crowd vs SNES early millineals. It's just anti soul incestuous hipsterdom

Around the time TechTV turned to G4 it was well underway.

>>715566843
Nailed it. Xbox premiered the brown and gray everywhere, Snoy had the PS3 built with arcane magic so things had to be tinkered to work on it and had way too much bloom (while heavily promoting photorealism and distancing itself from its older cartoony IPs), and Nintendo opened the floodgates to even more casual people forcing the raising of the buy & sell standard bar.
If anyone think the current state of the gaming industry is a pile of retarded people running around like chickens without a head, it has been like this for a very long while.

>>715566514 (OP)
It was around when The Big Bang Theory aired and retarded people thought man nerds are cool.

>>715598526
Throw more meaningless buzz words at me tranny.
There are less games now but more people buying them. This has had a devastating effect on the quality and quantity of games being released as well as the variety of genres.
More people own NBA 2k24 than had a dreamcast. Games no one has ever heard of or played like Black Myth: Wukong have sold more copies than mainstream games from the nineties like Tekken 3 or Goldeneye 007

GTA V has sold about twelve times as many copies as GTA Vice City. Two hundred million normoids with the blandest, boring taste in games appearing out of thin air in the last decade or two and now the entire industry chases them

>>715599217
So 2007 then. Checks out.

>>715566514 (OP)
2010

>>715593356
Why does the writers guild of America going on strike signify the end? they've gone on strike before even when movie writing was shit.

>>715599772
Wrong reply>>715599325

>>715599325
An awful year in general.

The PS2. Granted the games were still good back then but that's when normies took a sudden interest.

>>715566514 (OP)

>>715566514 (OP)
2012 circa is where everything went to shit

>>715596424
Lol I think that was actually a glitch if you didn't reach that point without having aquired some weapon from another side mission beforehand, you literally couldn't escape because of the auto save and had to redo the entire game.

>>715566514 (OP)
When Nose tribe got too much control

>>715590774
>2004
God I want to come back so bad

>>715566514 (OP)
Release of The Last of Us. Maybe a little earlier.

>>715566514 (OP)
normies like my ex playing diablo 3 so 2012

~2008? 2009? when blizzard released all those celebrity WoW ads

>>715566514 (OP)
Never was.

>>715599217
>>715599325

>>715608553
/thread

>>715575160
Holy shit, this post is unbelievably brown.

The midnight launch of Halo 3

After the success of the Wii, when like old people were playing it, and around the time Minecraft was released. I want to say late 00s, early 10s.

When the (good) gaming magazines stopped publishing and English majors who were bad at video games became video game "journalists" online.

>>715599325
Alright, the evidence for 2007 being the worst year ever is starting to look overwhelming.

>>715566514 (OP)
early 7th gen
thats when a bunch of outside suits and investors descended upon legacy studios and publishers and made sweeping hostile takeovers
whats worse is that none of these fuckers had a smidge of genuine interest or enthusiasm about gaming
most of them dont even have passing knowledge about video games
they saw an up and coming medium ready to be seized
since then they have destroyed many internal studio cultures and identities these had established
most legacy studios now are glorified ships of theseus with barely any of the original developers in house

>>715610292
3 to 22 isn't very precise culturally. Things 5 years apart can look totally different culturally.