EA "sunset" Anthem in response to SKG, the beast is wounded, we have power of these companies beyond the exchange of money at checkout.

next time you scour reddit for content to leech do us a favor and don't come back

>Wall of text
Not reading all that chief

>>715591521 (OP)
Learn to read you pirate software level retard. SKG is for future games so your faggot screenshot has nothing to do with it

>>715591764
not in your best interest

>>715591521 (OP)
Oh, so we're in agreement that devs should have to label their game correctly if they're going to make a live service.

>>715591521 (OP)
>corporate wailing
you love to see it

remember to call out every shill in every skg thread on here, they're super easy to spot. we all know who you are shills.

>>715595130
Yes, but "we reserve the right to end this game whenever we feel like it" doesn't look good on a box cover.

>>715595368
Exactly. That's why the law is important. If a business practice only works when hidden, that's exactly why they shouldn't be allowed to hide it.

I genuinely don't understand the backlash to SKG. It must be some kind of terminal contrarianism. The arguments people make against it are either in bad faith or are addressed. It's extremely strange

>>715591521 (OP)
It's somehow self-sabotage to simply make a game playable offline, on local connections to skinner box devs. Even when they want to cut all strings and move on from their skinner box.

>>715595527
It doesn't solve live service games existing, niggers will still buy it promptly labeled.

>>715591521 (OP)
>but dam
but dam what?

>>715595527
There are a lot of people in this world like pirate software. Terminal contrarianism is common in redditors and twitter users. Can't even blame partisanism since this SKG hasn't become clearly left or right leaning yet. Contrarian retards from both sides can throw pot shots at it for now.

>>715591521 (OP)
Don't make a game you can't support you worthless fucking cuck.
Someone kill fucking devs holy shit we need a complete reset.

>>715591521 (OP)
>games made by indies that are service-like games.

Cute. These people think they're 'indie.'

>>715595781
blah blah blah

>>715595791
even funnier is that indie gaas games don't really exist

>>715595905
You're done.
Time for you to die.

>>715591521 (OP)
>don't you understand? This law will make it impossible for me to sell you subpar products!

>>715591764
This. Twitterfags take the same advice.

>it's impossible to make a gaas game offline only! we'd need to compile libraries for months, years even!
yeah, about that

I don't see how killing live service is a bad thing.

>>715597090
Think about it Anon, if we had SKG, all of those live service games never would've existed. Every dev who worked on them would've never been hired, and would have been forced to sit on their ass doing nothing. It'd damage the industry so much since all those studios would have been unable to release any of the live service games they did.

>>715591521 (OP)
I'll read this text and go over it as I go through:
>Service games mostly exist for one main type of games. Reducing cheating, keeping in-game economy integrity, competitive games
Cheating on self-hosted servers is not a problem since there is usually an owner or moderator there. Competitive games already have a LAN feature to allow tournaments to run without external interference. I am not going to give the middle point a mention, jesus christ.
>Client acts as a renderer
BULL
FUCKING
SHIT
>indies attempt these types of games
Indies aren't going to have enough money to make a centralized service in the first place!
>Technical challenges
Boo fucking hoo nigga, you made code that has to be deployed somewhere to work. Let me deploy it on my systems.
>modern developer practices
I FUCKING KNEW IT, THE GAMES INDUSTRY IS RAN BY MONKEYS
>Allowing others to hose private servers is known to damage rights on your IP
I don't own the Quake IP nor do I own Spy vs Spy, but I got servers for both running.
>It exposes any issues in your server
GOOD. You should be fixing those flaws in the next game instead of leaving it wide open. Like holy shit, keep an eye on the community servers and see if they found any exploits, use that to make a better sequel
>Why can't we sell a service
By all means go for it, just don't try to reap the benefits of being a good either.
The other points of the post are just hogwash wishy washy woe is me crap.
tl;dr: My suspicions of the games industry being ran by fucking APES is correct.

>>715596332
They exist as vehicles for scamcoins.

People that jerk of GaaS jerk it off and then fail to think of anything it has accomplished besides MMOs that are all dying out because no one wants to stay subbed to second life with a theme park around it.

>>715597197
sure, but anon asked about the downsides

>>715595527
>I genuinely don't understand the backlash to SKG
Because you don't want to, even if you were perfectly able to understand. The backlash explains itself. It's almost as if people can value different things than you do.

>>715597241
>Cheating on self-hosted servers is not a problem since there is usually an owner or moderator there.
anon it's even funnier when you consider that:
1. cheating is also prevalent on official servers, and these people are acting like their official servers are somehow immune to cheats and exploits
2. if someone cheats in some private server and the admin doesn't care, you can litrally just go and play in a different server. or host your own.

all these arguments are bullshit.

>>715595527
Name a single EU Initiative that improved life for its citizens.

>>715595527
it's trivially easy and rather cheap for companies to buy a million social media posts (that includes 4chan btw) from bot and jeetfarms to shape public opinion to protect their interests

>>715597401
Oh yeah that's true, I was just so blindsided by
>keeping in-game economy integrity
that I couldn't think straight after that.

sky king general?

>>715597090
It wouldn't even kill live service. It just means they would have to release a server you can run after they finally shut all the official servers off. Every old multiplayer game already did this and there's nothing stopping it from happening again. Hell, dozens of indie games already release with dedicated server support these days.

>>715595524
TRUTH! Videogame publishers are literally running scams. If something has to be hidden it means its a SCAM!

>>715597883
Don't drag that based motherfucker into this gay ass shit.He doesn't deserve it.

If anything the average skeegger would try to push for regulations so another sky king never happens.

>>715598745
You sound like my grandfather on facebook. That's is right though.

>>715597504
Forced Universal adoption of USB-C as a standard.

>>715591521 (OP)
>sunset

i kinda want to break the kneecaps of the marketing cunts who come up with this shit

>>715591521 (OP)
>Sunset
They never even finished making the game, lmao.

>>715591521 (OP)
Wait, Anthem was still alive?

>>715595728
The river
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtpgj9CQvJo

>>715598957
>You sound like my grandfather on facebook. That's is right though.
Well...i am almost 50 years old so you got me.
>>715596479
>This law will make it impossible for me to sell you subpar products!
This is generally the aim for all consumer protection laws and regulations. When someone is arguing against consumer protection tha means that their product is subpar/harmful or taking advantage of consumers by hiding or obfuscating information about the product. As is with a lot of new videogames.
>they hide the real amounts behind virtual ingame currencies
Well they used to. The EU recently passed laws that should force companies to abandon all those ingame gems/gold and all other crap and force them to show real prices.

>>715591521 (OP)
Oh look, another set of bad faith arguments, schizo babble and outright lies.

>>715597401
Remember how the official servers for Call of Duty games were so pozzed that fans had to reverse engineer and release a modded client to let you play on community servers with improved security features for it to be considered even remotely safe to play?
Yeah...

>>715599781
Considering the recent WWII one recently just became a vector of hacking attacks through gamepass: Yeah.

>>715599142
This will fuck us over in the long run once something objectively superior to USB-C is invented, yet can't be implemented as well as it could have due to USB-C support being mandatory.
Imagine if they passed a law mandating S-Video support on TVs, only for the objectively superior HDMI to come out, making that law obsolete.

>>715601754
This, and USB-C isn't even consistent as a standard.

The correct law to solve proprietary standards isn't to force everyone to use the same standard, it's to stop enforcing IP law for connection standards. Apple isn't going to fuck around making their own pointless connector if they know that 3rd parties can also make them and sell them at a reasonable price.

>>715601754
You're fucking retarded and clearly don't remember the old days. There was always a standard being enforced, even prior to USB-C. Before that it was Micro, before that Mini. It's not to stifle innovation, but to stop massive amounts of single-use phone chargers. Apple was the only one who resisted this because they contested it in court - but Lightning was proprietary and technologically inferior to USB-C.

And it's not enforced as in "You will have to use USB-C forever", but rather until a new standard comes along and it will be forced into adoption too.

>>715601934
USB-C is absolutely considered a standard. Cars and laptops come only with USB-C ports these days.

>>715602073
All USB-C cables connect into all USB-C ports, but not all USB-C cables have the same functions.

>>715602073
>>715602182
was Firewire the superior choice that we killed?

>>715591521 (OP)
Who are 'we'? Not remember signing to be some baldfaggot personal army doing whatever online movement to revive retarded slopblike anthem from eternal damnation
>>715591764
Fpbp

>>715597504

Steam refunds

>>715602390
That was Australia

>>715602182
This is unfortunately true, but mostly because USB-C has had several revisions.

>>715591521 (OP)
He makes some good points but ultimately none of it matters because most people don't care about indie live service games and in a democracy majority rules.

>>715599781
ive been wanting to play some WaW recently but was put off when i remembered what it was like 10~ years ago

>>715591521 (OP)
>takes away the options of service games
GOOD
STOP MAKING VIDEOGAMES FUCKING CASINOS AND SERVICES
IF YOU MAKE A SERVICE GAME YOU DESERVE TO BE ON THE STREET AND SELL YOUR DAUGHTERS ON THE BLACK MARKET
FUCK YOU
THIS IS NOT SOME INFINITE MONEYTRAIN
THIS ENTIRE INDUSTRY IS ROTTEN
BLOW IT ALL UP

>>715597241
>Client acts as a renderer
>BULL
but actually true, go look how hefty the client side hosting of WoW is if you intend to play singleplayer offline by yourself. most functions of that game are server side.

>>715597584
because you're retarded, all you want is a completely devalued video game that you'll load up once and forget about, to the detriment of everyone else.

>>715591521 (OP)
>stop killing games!
>actually just kill games lol
the most schizo movement

>>715599378
and SKG would want it to stay up forever despite no one playing it

>>715599781
I've been playing IW4X recently, even thinking of hosting a game night on it.

>>715601934
lightning ports were so much better than usbc though

>>715591521 (OP)
>games made by indies that are service-like games
What fucking """indie""" is running a service-like game

>>715602650
Most people seem to care about those if you looked around on youtube and twitch, those get streamed nonstop and have large viewings.

>>715603446
>marginalizing the queer indie devs from Zurich

>>715603353
is IW4X the good one? (Black Ops 1)

>>715591521 (OP)
>NSFW dev
lmao

>>715603446
Repo
Amongus
Lethal Company

>>715603523
No it's the MW2 one

>>715603693
damn that one sucks

>>715591521 (OP)
>client is acting as a render and isn't doing much logic
Lol, lmao even. To this day a lot of AAA shit doesn't even provide dedicated servers and relies on p2p where it's in fact the clients that are doing ALL the logic. If we rewind clocks a few years back it's going to be how the overwhelming majority did things. Every point is so disingenuous that I actually believe someone might be that retarded

>>715603221
Then that's just asking for a lot of trouble then.

>>715603289
Nigger, who the fuck cares about the supposed value of vidya items once the developers stop making shit for the game?

>>715591521 (OP)
SKG will never pass in its current state because of the extra burden it will place on the indie developer community.
>Many marginalized developers—whether part of the LGBTQ+ community or working in underrepresented racial or ethnic groups—operate in environments already strained by limited resources, smaller teams, and systemic barriers to funding.
>“If these proposals become law without nuance,” said one Zurich-based queer indie dev who wished to remain anonymous, “we could be forced to release server code or build fallback systems we don’t have the budget for. Larger studios might weather that. We can’t.”

>>715603680
There is no way Amogus doesn't have peer to peer hosting

>>715603990
Anyone who is invested in the game. You retard, you're just asking for the value of everything to drop. You're probably one of those poors who wants to collect a retro system but bitches about how they're expensive.

>>715604048
Why would it? it's a live service.

>>715604064
Are you playing a game or the stock market?

>>715591764
this
fuck skiggers and your braindead communist petition
let live service slop crash, burn and die, it's for the best

>>715604119
Both if you have sense in your head.

>>715591521 (OP)
>dont want bought games to get removed
>before the law gets passed, which could take a long time, al lot of devs pull their games offline, killing them
>we are winning

>>715604407
>Not seeing games as solely pieces of entertainment and worrying about shit like resell value of virtual items
ISHYGDDT
Besides, with SKG it means that your items can't be reduced to a value of 0 by making the game they are attached to no longer work.

>>715604031
Indie devs shouldn't be making live service games.

>>715595527
Always ask yourself: who benefits?
In this case, the literal pajeet shills of Babel Media are being paid to argue against it. That's why every take against this initiative is always extremely disingenuous.

>>715604483
You need a reality check, money requires working for a living, you spend money in a game economy then there should be an expectation of value proposition.

>>715604596
Well even then, my second point still stands. SKG means that the market for items in a game could be freely decided by the community, rather than enforced by the developers.

>>715591521 (OP)
oh no, not... Anthem! please not Anthem! lol i support SKG but this is a nothingburger, Anthem's been dead for years and nobody will miss it. in fact if you asked /v/ a month ago they'd all think Anthem went offline long ago
>b-but it's the principle, the bigger picture
i am NOT rallying around a cause based on bemoaning Anthem, sorry

>>715604507
You don't get to choose what indie devs want to make, chud.

>>715604860
They're free to go bankrupt if they like.

>>715604651
Reading this is funny because it just made me realize that SKG is lose/lose for vidya item traders
>SKG goes through: More likely that the price of items goes down, especially if people figure out how to make servers that allow you to equip whatever the fuck you want
>SKG gets shut down: Their precious virtual items become inert and zero value
Conclusion: Virtual items that you pay for are fucking stupid even as an investment.

You can’t demand free labor from indie devs just because you paid $30 once in 2016. That’s not justice, that’s entitlement.

>>715605157
>>715605095
at least TRY to earn your paycheck

>>715605048
Conclusion: you faggots are economic terrorists, the same faggots who steal digital video games

>>715605248
Explain to me how my conclusion is wrong, you are sitting on a ticking time bomb of 1's and 0's that will eventually hold no value, that's a shitty investment.

>>715595130
>Goyim come on, you gotta let me rip you off
We are on the bargain stage I see.

>>715591521 (OP)
I support SKG because by the very notion of it existing, live service games as a concept become far less appealing to companies. So it will hopefully kill them off like the fucking cancer they are.

>>715597504
GDPR

>>715597241
Based ausstrong anon became so angry he does not even want to rape anyone anymore.
I kneel.

>>715591521 (OP)
dont care

clean it up wagie

>>715591521 (OP)
I dont know why they keep repeating the lie that SKG is about keeping games running forever by forcing developers to run a skeleton crew to do so.

>>715591521 (OP)
>I think this movement will kill games made by indies that are service-like games
I accept these terms.

>>715605647
Because being deceitful is all they have.

>>715591959
Well, then a lot of games are going to die before any laws have passed. You think you can do it faster than End the Cage Age which is looking to be going 7 years+ at this point.

>>715591521 (OP)
Well the CI says that games in the future should design around it. So not a problem for people who would be affected. You already said minecraft and palworld are fine and not burdened.

>>715591521 (OP)
post this every time shil tells you this is unfeasible, impossible or unrational demand.

Marvel's Avengers has been converted from live service game to completely playable stand alone experience not requiring internet connection with all of its content (including the ingame shop that was converted to ingame currency).
now motherfuckers fall in line, bend over, spread your asscheeks, and pretend that you liked it from the very beginning.

>>715604460
It's not going to be retroactive to begin with, just like Apple was not forced to recall all existing iPhones and make them usb-c.

>>715604031
SHILL POST, DO NOT ENGAGE
THIS IS POSTED VERBATIM IN EVERY THREAD

What's an example of an indie title that uses live services and would really be negatively affected by this?
I'm talking about not being able to share binaries because they used third party software and not being able to host a game forever, 0% chance of players being able to self-host

>>715606256
you could also post this >>715596792

>>715591521 (OP)
>This limits devs abilities to fuck you over and make a game they can take away from you with no recourse
>It's bad if you stand up for your rights as a customer
>>715595368
Nor does
>We reserve the right at any time to revoke your access to your 80-100 dollar game and implore you to destroy your copy of the game, if physical.

>>715604031
>Marginalized devs
>LGBTQ+
>Underrepresented ethnics
>One zurich-based queer
...But what does all this stuff have to do with developing multiplayer games?
>We could be forced to build fallback systems
You mean the standard practice in ALL code?

>>715591764

>>715591764
/thread

>>715591521 (OP)
>movement to make it illegal to do bad thing
>company does bad thing in response
>"See? THIS IS WHAT YOU GET!"

>>714545442
At least you waited 11 days so the last thread got pruned before you reposted your bait.

>>715591764
Reddit is just a resource, like a search engine. If you don't use reddit because 4chan says so, then you have a newfriend mentality

>>715595130
Anyone who has a passing understanding in legal philosophy sees the elephant in the room. A buyer should have a choice in what and how they buy, just as the developer should have a choice in what and how they sell. This will have a negligible impact on devs, but it will have a large impact on the buyer.

>>715595527
There are bots and shills being paid by companies to deter people from supporting SKG. I'm willing to bet that most AAA publishers pay for some sort of online shilling. Wonder when that becomes illegal

It's not just lack of details, it's lack of direction. This petition could just as easily lead to a negative change as a positive one. Obviously the idea sounds fine, but that isn't enough. You need something more than a vague statement of goals if you want people to rally around a proposal.
Like... look at how the "accept cookie" requirements panned out. Nothing has changed, other than making a web page is more annoying and using a web page is more annoying. And now there's less public will for legitimate changes on web privacy, because the whole problem comes off as a sad joke.
I've heard the terrible excuses for why this proposal couldn't be more specific, and they're dumb. They did a transparently terrible job writing up the proposal and it deserves to fail. Some people are kind of squinting and pretending they like it because they want it to pass... but beneath that facade, anyone that can read can see this was terrible, and that has hurt any momentum that game-preservation/consumer-rights causes might have had.
For anyone reading this, please do not waste everyone's time by telling me why it's actually smart that it was written as a vague wish. I have read that already, and it didn't convince me then, and it isn't convincing all the other people raising the same issues and not signing this thing.

>>715612750
I use reddit when I google questions about games because it has become the new de facto gamefaqs for this purpose
I certainly don't check out all the new posts on a subreddit or something like that. Go back

>>715607062
I think there's a bigger issue.
If the dev is allowed give you a deal and take it back, the buyer can't meaningfully consent to buying a product. That's a wild statement if you're not used to thinking about these things, but it does hold up to in-depth scrutiny.

People are such metaphorical battered rape victims of companies that they don't get this. They are so used to the idea of getting raped, they think there's nothing wrong with it, it's normal - happens every day. The company is raping you at the time of purchase currently if this behavior is allowed. You have been raped every time you bought a game if this expectation comes with buying a game. You could not meaningfully consent to the purchase.

>>715613034
>Like... look at how the "accept cookie" requirements panned out. Nothing has changed, other than making a web page is more annoying and using a web page is more annoying.
What are you talking about? 9/10 sites these days literally have a "I reject cookies" options within 1-2 clicks.

reminder this started because of a shitty ubisoft game. reminder to not care at all. you shouldnt play online only slop in the first place. vote with your wallet if you want to change the industry you fucking spamming retard discord troons

>>715591521 (OP)
>complains about having to convert a game from being completely server side
>only arguments for why they design games like in the first place are weak
>reducing cheating
You don't have to make the game completely reliant on a server to manage this.
Not to mention anti-cheats have been a thing for ages.
Service games sure haven't been helping improve the quality of those.
>economy
QA your shit and rollbacks when you severely fuck up.
Server reliance doesn't even guarantee that you avoid this anyway, since poor balance can ruin the economy just as badly as a dupe glitch depending on how poorly you handle it.
>competitive
The hell does that even mean?
It can't be implying you have to have an online only game to make a game competitive, right?

>>715599653
>spoiler
We're really here forever, aren't we?

>>715613676
>you shouldnt play online only slop in the first place
And what will you do in the future if pretty much all video games become online-only? This incentive is not just about the current landscape, but also the future.

>>715599653
>show real prices.
It also bans the bundle bullshit where they sell you say 500 dildoes but the thing you want only costs 450 so you end up feeling you need to buy more dildoes to not waste the remaining 50 from the previous bundle.

>>715613848
Correct.
t. 2005 (no that's not when I was born)

>>715599653
In general, making deals fair only helps scammers. If scamming is illegal, you don't have to place trust on the buyer. It's unironically one of the reasons we have currency. Currency provides a trustworthy medium of trade. You have to do away with everything from money down if you don't believe in consumer protection.

>>715614307
>only helps scammers
only hurts* scammers

>>715605157
these retards don't pay $30 dollars for indie games, they pay $80 for fifa/codslop yearly and demand the earth and the skies in perpetuity for $1.99 on -80% sale from humble indie devs, everything else is too expensive. gamers hate indie devs and want to kill us.

The shilling is going to get worse isn't it? It's going to be bad at the last day of this, it's going to be shit when the votes are counter up and it's going to be unbearable in the lead up to the actual discussions.

>>715614947
I should say the "vidya industry" shilling is going to get worse.

>>715614947
you've never made a game go kill yourself. you're only hurting indie devs.

>>715614947
Given how many votes are botted it won't matter. The tears when it all comes crumbling down will be epic though.

>>715615010
Didn't know Eva Xenaphon still posted here.

>>715613887
muh whatboutism

>>715591521 (OP)
I'm new to this issue.

As I read it, the people who play online games want to be able to play those games whenever they want, for as long as they want. The thinking being that they made a purchase, and that purchase entitles them to access their property whenever they see fit.

Also, as I read it, the people that MAKE online games, want to be able to eventually unload from those games. They want to be allowed to move on, to use company resources, time, personnel, infrastructure to chase other ideas, other stories, other demographics, other opportunities. Being legally handcuffed to an IP for all of time immemorial forever and ever because someone made a purchase is their idea of "a bridge too far".

Both of these things can be true, and both can be valid. There's no room to grow or change or invest or improve if you're legally mandated to do the same thing over and over for a pool of diminishing returns. There's also no keepsake or preservation or trophy owning of treasured times and achievements if someone can just flip a switch and make it all go away.

Surely there's some middle ground. I admit that it's no longer 1999, and all my friends aren't high school teenagers playing StarCraft on blizz anymore. Times have changed. It's been 26 years. We're triple the age now. We got jobs and kids. I don't expect those same servers to be running forever. A reasonable amount of time has passed. The flash in the pan is over. They got their money, I got my monies worth.

But this nonsense about developing a game for ten years, to sell an unfinished game on Day One, to sell the finished product as DLC/battle pass/season packs, and take the money and run after a year or two is scummy of the highest order.

Maybe we make a rule: live service for a game must survive as long as the generation of console it was released for does. That sounds fair to me.

ITT shoe polish makes up 30% of anons diet.

>>715591521 (OP)
I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
>I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
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>>715615174
>muh whatboutism
What the fuck are you talking about? That's not whataboutism. Stop blindly repeating words when you have no clue what they mean.

>>715602404
AHAHAHAHAHA
Fucking retarded Americans

>>715615482
yeah yeah muh future that won't happen but it might so lets kill the industry now so your fantasy headcanon plays out. row row fight da powa anon

I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
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>>715615576
https://www.pcgamer.com/valve-posts-a-notice-about-australian-consumer-rights-on-steam/
>The suit was filed by the ACCC in 2014 over Steam's lack of a refund policy, which Australian consumers are guaranteed under law. Valve lost, appealed, lost again, and finally attempted to appeal to the High Court. Permission to do so was denied, however, bringing the drawn-out odyssey to a close.

>>715615380
You didnt understand it completely, the devs can just forget the ip after they have made the plans on how people can play it locally. They dont need to support the game or host servers. They can stop working on it as usual and that post in OP is a great example on how they distort the initiative. They dont need to release the same stacks they use and they can for example say that this game requires your self hosted database and that is fine but they keep distorting the truth to make it seem like skg is some ultimate challenge to overcome. Its not and companies have been doing it before for old mmos for free no questions asked

>>715615648
>muh future that won't happen
How do you know? We can see that more and more games are becoming online-only, thus the logical conclusion is that it will continue to trend that way. Do you have any arguments for why you think it will somehow stop or reverse?

I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
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>>715603395
In what fucking way?

>>715615803
anon, that's a shill, you're arguing with a paid indian

>>715591764
FPBP

>>715615757
So it's your opinion that developers in the market to make a product to paying customers and to compete with other developers making other products just don't want their products to be liked? They don't want them to stick around? They don't want the fanfare or to be generation defining? Because it's bad for business to be someone's favourite game maker?

>>715591764
if there's some /g/entlemen here, what's the best way to filter posts based on the image. I want to train an algo to filter posts containing a twitter/reddit screenshots. Do i use js with tampermonkey?

>>715604031
>SKG will never pass in its current state because of the extra burden it will place on the indie developer community.
Lmao less than 1% of indie game dev do live service.

>>715595130
This is the solution, actually.
Make all games with an expiration date, in all stores, be sold with a red label that says: "Warning! This game will only work for a limited time, becoming useless after an unspecified period."
There you go, problem solved.

>>715591764
This, kill yourself OP you worthless sack of shit.

>>715591764

>I think this movement will kill games made by indies that are service-like games
I can't think of a single one

also this isn't retroactive, just plan ahead to dump your shit on your way out
even nepo software's defense was better than this, he at least had the decency to feign retardation and pretend he didn't understand the issue

>>715615732
EU already had refund protection at that point

>>715616704
>unspecified
>problem solved
No. Not solved unless it's specified.

>>715591521 (OP)
>killing 'service' games

Didn't Ross predict that devs would show their real motives and spitefully kill off their games if SKG had a chance of passing and being seen?
I'm pretty sure he predicted exactly this event happening
>Get used to not owning your games
>"Fuck you faggot, we're gonna petition the government"
>How dare you gamer goys do this??!!?1 THIS IS ANOTHER GAMERGATE !!

>>715596332
Technically Limbus Company counts. Project Moon is self-publishing and works within its own 50 man studio + freelancers. The starting funds Project Moon got for their gacha were basically no strings attached unlike investor and publisher deals. Although they stepped up in production value, they still operate on the same ragtag mindset as LobCorp and LoR. I'm also certain they wouldn't mind transitioning it to a playable offline mode when it ends considering the Director is autistic about creating art.

>>715615018
How many votes are botted?

I want to go back in time and strangle the marketeer that came up with "sunsetting" as an euphenism for robbing the customer.

>>715595791
>>715603446
They're amateurs who think they will make it big one day with their WoW killer or something.

>>715619162
Marketing is probably one of the most soulless and immoral professions in the world. Their job it literally to manipulate and make bad things sound good. It's a position with the goal of tricking people. "Sunsetting" is just one of those disgusting examples

>>715603680
None of these are "live service", you could play Lethal Company solo offline if you wanted to for any reason. Don't mistake "multiplayer focused" for "live service".

It's morally wrong to legislate the SKG agenda. That said, why don't you guys just petition to require games and theirs servers/required components to be open source? If you're going to use the force of the state in the first place why not just go all the way?

>>715619017
Probably close to 400k. We will then get a good 100-200k thrown out because people can't spell their own name and that will leave the initiative well below the 1 million required.

>>715604186
Are you confused about something? SKG is about customer rights to own their property they have paid for with their own money, it's literally the exact opposite of communism and only asshurt commies who want to control others are against it.

>muh indies
The implication that indie shitters trying to make online-only games were ever successful before SKG is really amusing to me.

>>715612750
>Reddit is just a resource, like a search engine
Reddit is a dead internet frontier full of bots, confidently incorrect retards and straight up compromised propagandists where the top 100 subreddits are controlled by the same handful of mods. If you use reddit for getting "information" about anything you're a fucking retard.

>>715620512
You fundamentally misunderstand what you're talking about. The SKG is a petition for legislation which limits what kinds of products can be sold by companies to consumers and is enforced by the state via the threat of fines, imprisonment, or ultimately death. The pro-SKG position is that the products that it limits are bad for consumers.

>>715620719
Your pilpul will not work here. You lost and people will be able to keep their property no matter how much you seethe about it.

>>715612928
It becomes "illegal" when you get violent over them doing it.

>>715615018
>>715619762
>my source is that I made it the fuck up

>>715604031
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/filename/1751716837267094.png/
Today, I will remind them.

>>715620781
It's not their property. You're arguing that the state should forbid people from entering into agreements to have a "license" for games which is what is being sold right now. Even if you get what you're asking for, the idea that you "own" a closed-source game with existing the Intellectual "Property" regime is fucking hilarious.

>>715591764
fpbp

>>715616704
No, you have to say when the subscription ends or it won't change anything.

>>715595130
There are literally only two types of arguments against SKG. Straight up lies that claim the initiative wants something it never asked for and rewording something it DID ask for but pretending that it didn't. They know that nobody would be against the initiative in good faith so they have to pretend that it's not asking for the good things, therefore it shouldn't be supported.

>>715621321
>let me blatantly lie to reframe things instead of engaging with the existing arguments that don't conform to my headcanon

>>715597392
>It's almost as if people can value different things than you do.
That's the baffling part. Why would anyone value getting less rights for themselves?

>>715621505
Yeah, that's what everyone opposing SKG is doing. You didn't have to repeat what I said.

>>715621519
>losing the ability to buy a particular type of product is "getting more rights"
brain damage

>>715621638
>I don't want to own things! You can't make me!
Americans are weird.

>>715595781
But that's the thing. Nobody is asking the devs to support the games forever.

>>715621803
I buy lots of open source games. I pirate closed source ones. I don't play live service games. Those are choices that I am glad I can make instead of the state deciding for me.

>>715621638
This is the most disingenuous attempt at an argument I've seen so far. Apply yourself, rajesh.

>>715591521 (OP)
I've legit never heard anyone talking about this game after the first week, surprised it's been going all this time.

>>715621932
It's a very plain description of what the legislation that SKG petitions for would be. You could describe how it's wrong instead of flailing and resorting to the FOTM indian meme, but we both know that won't be possible since it's accurate.

>>715620681
>Reddit is a dead internet frontier full of bots, confidently incorrect retards and straight up compromised propagandists
Sounds familiar, anon
>If you use reddit for getting "information" about anything you're a fucking retard.
Partly agree. You need to double check, apply some skepticism and account for retards, but you can still gain useful information

>>715621638
>losing the ability to buy a particular type of product is "getting more rights"
What type of product do we lose out on?

>>715621638
>>715621886
>>715621998
So why are you so hell bent on wanting to buy games that the devs can brick at any time? You can achieve the exact same functionality by just not playing the game anymore, why is it so important that the devs can force you to stop? Can you elaborate your thought process a little?

>>715621638
You didn't buy a product according to the legal definition of "buy" and "product"

>>715622080
Live service games that have an expiration date.
>>715622085
You quoted my post where I said
>I buy lots of open source games. I pirate closed source ones. I don't play live service games.
so you should be able to understand that I am not hell-bent on buying games that devs can brick at any time. I'm arguing that asking the state to outlaw the practice of making games that the devs can brick at any time is wrong.

>>715622219
>Live service games that have an expiration date.
We can still get live service games. Why would anyone want an expiration date?

>>715622301
I don't know and I wouldn't buy it, but I certainly don't want the state making it illegal for someone to make a product that does. This is also my post >>715619589 - why don't you guys petition to require games and theirs servers/required components to be open source?

>>715621998
>>715622219
It's not accurate and you're a disingenuous liar. Those live service games that have an expiration date would be required to clearly state it and not sell the games as products anymore, but they don't want to do that because they rely on dishonest marketing.
>I'm arguing that asking the state to outlaw the practice of making games that the devs can brick at any time is wrong.
No it's not. If they sell me a product, I must be able to keep using the product. The only reason you're against this is because you're a disingenuous shill working against consumer rights. Don't even try to pretend otherwise.

Tell me blizzard, when do I lose access to world of warcraft?
>when your subscription expires
Tell me Amazon, when do I lose access to prime?
>when you cancel your subscription
Tell me EA, when do I lose access to anthem?
>ahaha go fuck yourself

>>715622376
>but I certainly don't want the state making it illegal for someone to make a product that does.
Why? The only difference is that it dies without real reason

>>715619589
>It's morally wrong to legislate the SKG agenda.
It's actually morally wrong to destroy my property you've sold me. Hope this clears up any confusion.

>>715622427
>Those live service games that have an expiration date would be required to clearly state it and not sell the games as products anymore, but they don't want to do that because they rely on dishonest marketing.
So the SKG gives companies an off-ramp from having to support the game if they just advertise it that way? I missed that part of the agenda and am fine with an accurate advertisement opt-out.
>>715622484
Because it's not a legitimate function of the state. People can negotiate the terms of voluntary trade themselves. I know this firsthand because I don't buy predatory live service games.

>>715621638
>>losing the ability to buy a particular type of product
you can always just intentionally lose the password to your steam account if you really want the ability to buy games and then not have access to them anymore.

>>715619589
100% of the arguments around this topic would be solved immediately if people looked into the 101 of mainstream legal philosophy. It's neither morally wrong, nor is that relevant to a lot of people studied in law.

>>715591521 (OP)
It's always some indie hack dev who made game nobody ever heard about before who is against it

>>715622660
>Because it's not a legitimate function of the state.
How is it not? Regulations is absolutely one of the things that you need a state for
>people can negotiate the terms of voluntary trade themselves
Which isn't really a practical plan of action, because how exactly are you going to do that?
>I know this firsthand because I don't buy predatory live service games.
But plenty of people do, and so it will only become more prevalent. At some point, people will grow up with all games being always-online, and then no one will argue against it

>>715591521 (OP)
His "game" btw, NTR AI-slop kek

>>715622912
>How is it not? Regulations is absolutely one of the things that you need a state for
no it's not, just realized I'm arguing political philosophy on /v/ and am not going to keep going because this off-topic thread will be pruned soon and I'm a retard for thinking any of you are going to think about anything that anyone says

>>715623167
>no it's not
Why? What function do you wish for the state to have?

>>715623167
NTA but that sound like you just can't defend your ideas. That's fine, you're giving excuses, but at least own up to it. People have different perspectives. I think all of this issue is posited, as in it's all initially made up but it has become real now that people believe in the status quo. In some ways, this initiative seeks to posit a new precedent, which will shape a new reality.

From that perspective, what the fuck are you talking about? This helps individuals negotiate fair dealings if it goes as intended. That's good for all (honest) parties. Only dishonest parties suffer if negotiating fairly is made mandatory.

>>715623167
>"it's not the state's job to create regulations"
>yes it clearly is
>"it's not and I'm not going to talk about it anymore and you're stupid and this doesn't matter anyway"
every single anti-SKG faggot has the emotional maturity of a toddler.

>>715591764
FPBP

Another MEP joins the cause
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSTitNoH5_s

>>715612750
See, that part is fine, the problem is scouring social media for literal screencaps to shit up the board with.

According to e-celeb worshippers on /v/, no indie dev should ever have the gall to even imagine making an online game

>>715604860
But I'm free to choose not to buy it.

>>715624571
It's more work to engineer a game that's killable than one that's not.

I completely forgot anthem existed

>>715591764
fpbp

>>715621158

>>715606973
Megaman X Dive: Offline is also a good example. There is literally no legitimate argument against SKG.

>>715591521 (OP)
>Reddit
Shut the fuck up and go back.

>>715622660
You're right. The government should get the fuck out and let us sell pirated software among consenting parties.

>>715591521 (OP)
Who know who else said it was too much work? The automotive industry when seatbelts became mandatory. They said it was impossible, too much work, too much cost.

All bullshit. We know better than to listen do these fucks. Don't want to make games anymore? Don't want to do the work? FUCKING QUIT, THEN.

I'm serious, if they want to bitch about this, go ahead and shut down those fucking studios and publishers.

>>715614307
>It's unironically one of the reasons we have currency. Currency provides a trustworthy medium of trade
Until some people figured out you can clip the edges from coins.

>>715626109
And that's where development ended. We no longer use money due to this one glitch that someone discovered.

>>715626057
It's even more laughable of a notion than the seatbelt argument. Most companies genuinely already follow this.
It's legislating an area that already has loads of rather imbalanced legislation in place. Sure, fucking protect the companies like there's no end, but woe if someone wants to have access to what they paid for.

The purpose of law is to be there to tell who's wrong in the case of dispute. This will not impact the vast majority of parties. It's going to shaft companies acting in bad faith. People have gotten too comfortable with being fucked in the ass without lube.

>>715620512
You voluntarily decided to buy a game client that was explicitly sold to you without server files. Since these these server files were never sold to you its not your property and nothing is taken away from you when the servers shut down. Not getting something you didn't pay for is not robbing customers.

Angering people by making up bs accusations that they have been stolen from and exploited without any proof, and then demanding that state aggression is used to punish those supposed "aggressors" and "oppressors" is what commies do. They just pull accusations of theft out of thin air and rile people up. Ross is communist demagogue.

>>715627986
You lost, commie.

>>715627986
If buying a game isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing.

>>715591521 (OP)
i agree with his post entirely, this whole thing is just an ignorant and entitled chimpout by gaymers

>>715628042
>>715628112
You morons are the reason that democracy is a failure and we can't have nice things.

>>715602073
It's to funnel money to USB IF who's being happily shitting out thousands of pages of "documents" that every hardware developer is supposed to buy. Even though most hardware does not need and does not support more than USB 2.

>>715622558
you dont own the game retard you just bought a temporary license, which at some point will no longer let you access the companys server(their property, not yours). you can still keep the defunct license, akin to saving an old ticket to a sports game you watched. you wouldnt get mad that they dont accept an old ticket to an old sports match would you now?

>>715631629
Just because they say something, doesn't mean it is so. In fact, in the EU it may already fall under a perpetual license, which means you'd be wrong in Europe

>>715622660
>So the SKG gives companies an off-ramp from having to support the game if they just advertise it that way? I missed that part of the agenda and am fine with an accurate advertisement opt-out.
Yeah, the petition says to either provide end of life support OR have a clearly presented end of service date. It's why subscription MMOs are exempt because there's a clear end date on service (the end of your sub)

>>715595527
Anyone who disagrees is a paid for shill or a faggot ceo. That's it. There's no reason a game should ever be killed. If it can't be supported, the it should go open source into the public. There is nothing to argue about

>>715632204
Yeah but if I purposefully misconstrue the goal of SKG I can easily claim it is untenable, unworkable and will result in negative impacts upon the industry.

>>715626057
yeah I also find this an incredibly hollow argument
Yeah, it's gonna take more effort. Probably gonna take more money too. It's going to put a strain on developers and, like most other development hurdles, it's probably going to be harder for indies to overcome it than big established studios.
But - so what? That's the price you pay when you try to sell a PRODUCT to CUSTOMERS for MONEY.
IT SHOULD WORK. And unless you have very, very good gameplay reasons, it should work forever.

>>715624571
You can if it's playable offline and is not at threat of dying when it loses the playerbase. Mycopunk came out days ago and it fully supports offline play. Also Deep Rock Galactic should've been the standard.

>>715624742
you have never made a game

>>715633610
>Mycopunk
>Deep Rock Galactic
Both of those have publishers and therefore aren't indie. Thanks for once again confirming you e-celeb worshippers are incapable of forming a rational thought

>>715598785
Sky King was all about personal freedom, you are literally trying to fight against personal freedom because you want to bootlick corporations. You should be ashamed of yourself.

>>715595527
A problem for any discussion on SKG is that there's a wide array of potential results that would have widely different effects, and since SKG isn't a law proposal, there's no definitive answer as to which would end up being debated. The consequence is that anyone is free to pick whatever implementation he'd have a problem with, and argue against it.

Eg: "private server for everything" opens a (probably solvable, but complicated) can of worms of intellectual property issues and may cause some additional cost to make live service game. "Labelling the games with an expiration date" doesn't solve dead game, but is easy and safe to implement, etc etc

TL; DR: retards arguing past each other

>>715633691
I have. I've even made game engines.

>>715633717
>eceleb worshippers
Shut the fuck up. I support skg because I hate always online. You corpo shills care about ecelebs more than I do.

>>715634206
the problem is entitled morons yelling GIMME GIMME and arguing how "private server for everything" is actually not that much work and every game dev can easily do it if they just dont be lazy and greedy

>>715634206
>The consequence is that anyone is free to pick whatever implementation he'd have a problem with, and argue against it.
No, this is disingenuous. SKG is highlighting a problem which then gets discussed to figure out the best solution. What you are describing is people claiming something they made up would end up being the result and then saying it would be bad. It's like arguing that seatbelts shouldn't exist because every car manufacturer would just implement them as piano wires across your throat and that would cause decapitations.

>>715603339
No, SKG would want it to be POSSIBLE to play it if someone so wished without the devs being required to keep maintaining it. Why can't you be honest for once?

>>715634492
its not people making up a result, its people saying that SHOULD be the result because they are completely clueless about how hard it is to implement
when these are the kinds of people pushing for SKG, then it shows how problematic it can be

>>715634440
Somehow every game before matchmaking became the norm could manage it for all these years.

>>715634761
No, that's wrong and you know it. Literally all of the opposition is people misrepresenting what the initiative wants and then saying their made up scenario is bad. Stop being dishonest.

>>715634847
im sure i could go on redd*t right now and find tons of people saying exactly that, that live service games should just "build it so players can host their own servers" or "release the server binaries"

>>715591521 (OP)
>we got power
>everything gets shut down
>everything new will be a monthly subscription
LMAO

>>715634847
>we want just to not le kill game
>just give us the binary
>fuck that doesn't work
>who is liable regarding security issues?
>what about cheating?
>hacking?
>how do you host a 200 player battle royale using p2p?
>doesn't matter
>just host amazon cloud for 10.000 after the game failed to make money
>i want this changed in the server
>CHANGE IT NAOW
commies

>>715634206
PirateSoftware might be cringe, but as someone who has been a part of multiple citizen's initiatives, one of his critiques was right on the money. The initiative is vague about its goals. Obviously, it's inherent to the change it seeks. It's not necessarily possible to have anything extremely specific without in-depth bureaucratic and jurisprudence discussions.

Outlining the problem and how you think things ought to be isn't a bad approach at all. That gives the EU commission representatives a chance to gather thoughts on the matter. And, you have to remember, the EU commission is in DIALOGUE at this point. That's how the initiatives work. If they think it's too vague, they'll say so, and make corrections. Only after that it gets debated.

>>715635539
Hello, Piratesoftware. No, it's not vague at all. You are just a inbred retard.

>>715635641
>it's about games as a service
>that means multiplayer games with a 30 minute campaign are not what this is about
>no, no, no, don't shut down any multiplayer server
>no, no, no, games with subscriptions must be handled like this too
>only totally free games are not affected, you know games where literally the developer funds the servers out of his own pocket, so I can bing bing for free like in Fortnite, except as soon as anything is involved, you must comply
you sound like being on crack
also fuck you commie

>>715635641
I said his critique was correct, but I also defended the idea that it kind of has to be that way. Get your head out of your ass.

>>715635467
>>just host amazon cloud for 10.000
have you tried not being poor? lmao

>>715635539
Kill yourself.

>>715635858
>this is about the crew (ubislop)
>no, no, this is only about "new" games
schizos on crack

>>715595527
I can make good faith arguments against SKG that haven't been addressed and I just get told to kill myself

>>715636268
kill yourself

>>715636268
You shouldn't kill yourself. But you should get raped

>>715636268
commies mission is to destroy gaming

>>715591521 (OP)
Laws don't apply retroactively. Uneducated retard.

>>715595368
Stuff like that wouldn't fly under what SKG suggests. They would have to give you an exact date.

>>715595527
You can pay 3rd world people to post what you want them to for relatively little money. It's called astroturfing.

>>715620681
>Reddit is a dead internet frontier full of bots
someone is lost

>>715601754
>This will fuck us over in the long run once something objectively superior to USB-C is invented
Then the standard will be updated. Not everybody is as stupid as you.

>>715634206
>can of worms of intellectual property issues
Why? If you need some third party shit that doesn't want to support that then the third party shit will simply not be used and go out of business. Which means they will agree to comply with the laws.

>>715635539
>PirateSoftware might be cringe, but
Dishonest drivel. You know that he was intentionally lying in an attempt to bury the initiative and you know that you are doing the same.
It's not vague, it states exactly what it wants.

>>715638279
>You have to give your server code to R*ssians and Br*zilians to run their 3rd world cracked copies on
No way José.

>>715635858
>>715635937
>it's about games as a service
It's not vague. It's about all games. You'd know that if you read the very first sentence. Lying faggots.
You are wrong. Doubling down won't change that. Kill yourselves.

>>715604107
Because it's a couple million dollars cheaper. The only reason to not do that is if you want the ability to kill your game.

>>715638494
Enjoy getting fined into bankruptcy and perhaps jail if you need some motivation for paying those fines.

>>715624571
There are millions of online games that still work without the developer actively supporting them. They should make one of those.

>>715638565
>>715638424
whenever i see a narrative being pushed by ignorant internet warriors like this i know its bullshit

>>715619420
WoW is a game that can be played online without Blizzard, by the way. The server emulators are already out there and have been for a long time.

>It is up to the developer to take away your access to the product you bought when they no longer generate enough profit or want to sell their new product
How is it possible that they can write this and go to sleep with a clear conscience?

>>715638565
>they they destroy ALL games
okay, the balding freak is a schizo and is not in reality
also who is "they"

>>715635539
>The initiative is vague about its goals.

No it's not, you're fucking stupid. Commit suicide.

>>715638565
>you must port all games to the latest Windows and support it forever
what a retarded petition

>>715638565
That is a vague mission statement. A lot of citizens' initiatives directly call out what law they want changed.

>>715604031
>“we could be forced to release server code or build fallback systems we don’t have the budget for.
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HAVE TO RELEASE THE FUCKING NETWORKING CODE BECAUSE I SHUT MY GAME OFFLINE AND OTHERWISE NOBODY WOULD BE ABLE TO PLAY IT!!!!!!!! NOW IM FUCKING.... BANKRUPT!!!!!!11

>>715639419
it is
>it is about multiplayer games
>no, no, it's about all games
>stop killing them by keeping them on an old PC or console
>port it over to Loonix
>you must add pronouns too
>change gender to body type

>>715639983
>I BOUGHTED THE SERVER TOO
>GIVE ME THE BINARY
>WTF, WHY IS THIS NOT A EXE???

>>715591764
fpbp

>>715639419
See >>715638565
What does "to challenge legality" mean in this context? What does challenging legality look like as law?
It's a euphemism to state that they don't have specifics. I'm sorry, but everyone saying that isn't vague needs a reality check. Especially when most of my point was that it's not a problem if it's vague, that's accounted for in the the process, and it's not necessarily a good idea to be overly specific.

>>715601754
>This will fuck us over in the long run once something objectively superior to USB-C is invented,
yeah, because laws can't be changed or updated, ever

>>715640091
>just give me the binary
>wtf, it says EA.dll not found

>>715640491
yup

>>715640491
anything is better than usb-c
lol
even cancer

>stupid fucking commies... how DARE they deny us the RIGHT to feed cocaine to our children?!

>>715640491
I thought the directive stated that the standard could be updated? Did I hallucinate that or is it the more likely option of people being retards with strong opinions and no knowledge?

>>715616704
>There you go, problem solved.
enjoy the legal repercussions that come with it :3. you don't get to cheat the legal system by renaming your practices

>>715640829
Eating cocaine is actually perfectly healthy

>>715640902
You really can't make that part illegal. Companies are free to fuck you consensually. SKG is just about stopping the metaphorical rape where they fuck you without proper consent.

>>715591521 (OP)
Every time with the indie thing. No indies try to create the most complicated and expensive variety of game. The most time intensive, staff intensive, bottom-line intensive style.

>>715604064
Between the game being playable and unplayable, which do you think harms the ingame economy more?

>>715639048
Yeah, Jason was ignorant and tried to push a narrative. Good for you that you saw through it.

>>715639551
>some shit I made up
>wow this is dumb

>>715642521
he was extremely ignorant, but ignorant doesn't mean "wrong about literally every last minute detail of what he said"

>>715642614
>don't kill games
okay define "kill"
>nooooooo, we have to keep it vague
>nooooooo, we won't force them to port over their game hurr
>we just force them to make their dedicated server game to be peer to peer, that's super simple
nice try commie

>>715643017
I mean, he kinda was. He was literally claiming the initiative was about something while having the opposite statements on screen in big letters. I struggle to come up with a single thing he was right about.

>>715643118
I think you're as retarded as he is when you say stuff like this. Even a person that's extremely wrong usually has some kind of point.

>>715643054
>nice try commie
But you are the commie. You are trying to prevent people from keeping their property they paid for with their own money because you want to instead dictate what they should consume instead. I don't understand this projection. You used to be sneakier than this, this is just embarrassing.

>>715643183
>Even a person that's extremely wrong usually has some kind of point
This has been debunked

>>715618692
Limbus company doesn't count because it was created long before the petition even began. Ross has been very thorough that any future law wouldn't impact games released before any possible law change for obvious reasons.

>>715643214
>buy game
>I own the servers of the developers and the source code too

>>715643183
So what was he right about?

>>715643285
That it's a citizens' initiative that aims to bring change to law. He's completely right about that.

>>715643282
When you have to make up shit nobody has ever said you might want to take a step back and think about whether you are on the right side of the issue, just saying.

>>715643367
AIEEEEE Th-Thor-sama... I kneel...

>>715643375
>that's not made up shit
>I OWN the source code too, I DESERVE IT
>STAHP KILLING MUH GAMES
the bald faggot literally says it's about all games.
this means he wants to force all companies to release all source code

>>715603313
>companies kill games and blames the consumer

>>715643762
If only you had consoomed more they wouldn't have to kill it hmmm....?

>>715591521 (OP)
Call me cruel but as a consumer I don't really give a fuck about the rights of the producer. If I feel like I'm getting fucked I should as a consumer go out of my way to rectify that situation.

Tl;dr suck it up fagboy or get fined.

>>715643668
Yeah, imagine if the majority of multiplayer games throughout history had launched with exactly those things. But that could never happen, because something something source code and what have you

>>715613676
reminder than you're a passive faggot who bends over for your corpo masters

>>715603313
>actually just kill games lol
Care to elaborate your logic here?

>>715643367
An unironic answer would be that it's good to take it with some gravity. You don't want an unbearable amount of red tape. Of course, the simple answer is that it's for extreme edge cases that the developer has to engineer to make this possible in the first place. The developer can just choose not to make the game killable with a large amount of effort.

>>715643953
>you must release all your code for free
fuck you
>btw. it doesn't matter anyway, there are fan servers
so your petition is retarded and useless

>>715613676
>reminder to not care at all
Sorry commie, I WILL care about my rights and I WILL keep my property I bought with my own money.

>>715644228
>I bought the server
nope
but you can, it's only $500.000


>>715643953
>just imagine
wow, 50000 multiplayer games with literally 0 players
you really got me there

>>715644209
No, no, anon. You misunderstand. You see, I'm a complete fucking retard like yourself. Sorry for the misunderstanding

>>715644320
>you really got me there
But didn't they have to give up their source code for that?

>>715644610
yes, it's easy.
you can buy IP rights.
and you can also buy server source code.
of course these are way more expensive than $25 for a single copy.

If you are an indie and are making a GAS, you sould be shoot in the head in the midle of the street

>>715644757
I own the IP of Quake??? Holy shit

>>715634206
>opens a (probably solvable, but complicated) can of worms of intellectual property issues
it doesn't

>>715644972
I've followed politics long enough to know that a small studio making a GAS, selling the game as a good, and killing the game afterwards is a completely made up hypothetical used to generate sympathy.

>>715644757
Alternatively, for cheaper, I can make you give me those for free through government intervention.

>>715591521 (OP)
It's working keep signing eurochads

>>715645265
>give commies power
vaxxed monkey paw wish

this always turns bad, but you will see.
gladly everyone retarded enough to give commies more power is registered and that info will be public for beatings and stoneings.

>>715645418
>communism is when you can use what you paid for without the corporation breaking it

>>715645418
least jewish poster

>>715645542
>every game developer is a juge corporation

>>715645227
Just like small artist, creators, and indies benefiting from IP law, when in reality only big corpos take true advantage from these laws.

>>715645718
So why are these poor, queer indie devs from Zurich breaking my games?

>>715645418
>>give
If they want it they'll take it when they need it, anyways
As if a single European has ever forced their government to relinquish power

>>715622201
the eu considers them goods

>>715645775
Valve is located in Zurich?

>>715645418
Is this how you were told to write like when you post on 4chan?

>>715645718
No indie has robbed me so far, and I would like to keep it that way.

>>715645863
the eu considers you cattle

>>715645927
>valve isn’t a corporation
>>715646016
So they are on equal footing with the corporate world.

>>715641062
no, given the initial transaction is made in a deceptive manner.

>>715646089
Steamies pretend they are a small mom + pop company.
Numbers-wise they are, they just scam lots of people and actually break games.

>>715645227
you havent followed games then - they flop and close down regularly
but no one cares since they were not well known in the first place
and they are more likely to shutdown the studio than support a dead game if such hypothetical law existed

>>715591521 (OP)
I just want GaaS to stop being a thing, is that so evil?

>>715646089
the EU is literally a corporation.
lol

(you)
>corporation, halp me
this is how retarded you are.

>>715646016
>no argument
>burger projection

>>715646376
>truth
>no, no, the EU loves me
meanwhile in reality

>>715645265
>he thinks he can change copyright laws which are upheld by every company, not just game industry
lol
lmao
you cant even force government to do their job and stop pedos raping kids

>>715646525
>ch*ld r*pe is irrelevant
>EU, that's not a problem for me
>just give me bing bing wahoo for free(*)
(*) funded by tax payer (your stolen) money

>>715646489
>unrelated snarky comment
>b-but I'm right in my unrelated distraction attempt!
if you don't like how the EU laws are worded because it might hurt your holden corpo calf then you could always make a petition.

>>715646701
>if you don't like EU laws
like the one where they say that death penalty is reestablished?

>>715646823
>more attempts at changing the subject
cry impotently mr corpo bootlicker

>>715647017
>trust the human killing commies
grim

>>715646370
So it’s the exact same, then? I don’t really care, I like it when the corporations fight over me.

>>715646119
How about you rub those braincells together a while longer to get what I'm saying. No amount of consumer protection doesn't cover situations where the consumer is unreasonably retarded. That reality is not an argument against reasonable consumer protection.

>>715646525
I can, just like I made you change your proprietary scam, apple.

>>715646337
You completely missed the point where you're making up a ridiculous guy that's not real? Businesses fail, but rarely in that specific and deranged manner.

>>715647373
>i don't really care
>corpo, save me from corpo
>WEF, save me from WEF
you might be mentally retarded.
>you will own nothing, save me from you will own nothing

>>715647524
One wants my taxes, the other wants me to not own what I paid for. I can deal with taxes.

>>715647586
>taxes
don't use fictional guberment words
they are literally robbing you
meanwhile other corpos simply OFFER you something for your money
Therefore EU is worse

>>715647760
One maintains my roads, the other stiffs me on what I bought.

>>715647586
>I pay taxes to own
what exactly?
you get literally nothing in return lol
you are funding wars and homelessness and migrants

>>715647827
>One maintains my roads
Corporations do that
>the other stiffs me on what I bought.
The government does that by taxing you
Glad we could agree

>>715647840
I get literally nothing when I buy GaaS and the robber-baron I pay tax to can thump the corporation. I am going to tell him to thump the corporation.

>>715647827
>they maintain my roads
>they maintain
no, you pay for it, and they take 99% and fund all sorts of shit and also themselves and then use 1% to fix roads
>my roads
lmao, they are not yours, despite you paying for them
plus you pay extra when they fix the road in front of your home lmao

>>715646337
Why did they do extra work for a game that would just fail anyway then? Maybe this legislation will protect them from being that retarded, then.

>>715647986
Sounds like a healthy corporate business model, as you would say. Anyway, gimme the server binaries.

>>715647968
>when I
So they offer you something and you don't have to pay.
So the opposite of armed robbery by mafia ("taxes")
will Nintendo also kidnap you and put you in a very small room?
nope, but the EU does that.

>>715648073
Nintendo has defacto enslaved at least one man. Remember that guy that is now paying off nintendo for the rest of his life?

>>715648059
>healthy
EU will die.
as well as any commie.

>>715648073
What are you even talking about man? That shit has nothing to do with this initiative

>>715648152
Enjoy neo-feudalism then. Give me the server binaries.

>>715648147
false
Your commie government kidnapped the man and put him into their prison complex.
>rob people
>nooooo, it's unfair that I have to pay that back

>>715591521 (OP)
wooowwww Anthem????? you guys are to be taken seriously ahhahahaaahhaahah

>>715648187
>trust commies
>commies being untrustworthy is irrelevant

>>715648270
He’s not in prison forever, but he is indebted to nintendo forever. Ergo, his corporate slavery is worse.

>>715591764
fippy
>380 replies

Fucking retarded board.

>>715648334
viper are you high

>>715648354
>rob people
>noooo, why do I have to pay it back???

>>715648461
>EU commie tries to deflect
>fails
sad

>>715648558
no u

>>715648641

>>715648482
Rob? That’s a government cuck term. Laws are enforced with taxpayer theft, enlightened libertarians like yourself know this.

>>715640581
Give you the what?

>>715648779
lyl

>>715648692
: ^ )

>>715648696
>laws
fiction made by criminals
>YOU *must* pay us
you got no contract, criminal
>child r*ping is illegal
>except when we do it

>>715649083
>robbing people is illegal
>except when we do it
>murder is illegal
>except when we do it
>kidnapping is illegal
>except when we do it
>wars are illegal
>except when we do it
I thought "justice" was supposed to be blind and apply to everyone? why doesn't it apply to the EU?

>>715591764
fpbp
It used to be redditNIGGERS would scour 4chan for content to post there

Why do redditora come here to shill so hard against SKG?
Bunch of obsessed weirdos

>>715649574
>reddit
>against commies
choose one

>>715649083
And that guy Nintendo enslaved signed no contract that he wouldn't do that, the only thing that he was harassed by is government rent-seekers utilized by the corporation.

>>715651483
>rob a bank
>get forced to pay it all back
>wtf, I signed no contract

>>715595728
I like dams,
They are pretty neat
I wish we had more dam games

>>715651796
"Rob" is a statecuck term for lawcucks to lick big judge Tyrone's cock. Laws aren't real, statie.

>>715653681
>sell something that is not your property
>wtf, why do I have to pay it back???
>information should be free lmao
okay, give credit card number