>QoL update drains all the soul of the game
Name examples

grand exchange, botting, account sharing, bonds are all essential to market the game towards niggers and trannys

mobile compatibility is a bonus too

>>715600540
What was this update? I actually really miss Gwent

>>715600881
it's been so long i dont even remember the details
I just remember it overhauling the game and making it extremely boring so I quit shortly after

>>715598743 (OP)

>>715598743 (OP)
>>QoL update drains all the soul of the game
>Name exa- AAAAAAAACCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

QoL'd to death

>>715598743 (OP)
Didn’t they also butcher PvP in the same update? I genuinely hope the faggot who thought revenants was a good idea is still being tortured to this day

>>715598743 (OP)
Yeah I sure do love spamming "selling iron ore 100 ea" endlessly in a bank and having to spend a hour or two getting haggled/scam attempted/people trying to scramble together shit in their bank while my blood pressure rises rather then just selling it all in 1 click

>>715602915
Mod Jed

>>715602915
Revenants weren't a completely bad idea but they were so OP it was just obnoxious. I don't know who anyone thought it was okay to be pulled out of combat with your green dragon because a level 9 imp with ice barrage is two-shotting you from an entire screen away.

Yes because spamming the chat was better
> but muh "sovl"
It wasnt sovfull

>>715602948
>I sure do love spamming "selling iron ore 100 ea" endlessly in a bank
There was always someone buying skilling stuff in bulk at good prices, since bulk buyers had to compete with each other for the market. You also had people buying and selling services

I'll never get why they only gave the grand exchange a singular location. Having everyone coalesce around varrock completely drained the life out of the world, you hardly saw anyone anywhere else.

>>715603821
yes going to a world for trading packed with other players all trying to trade was fucking based and soul overload

>>715598743 (OP)
Should I play old RuneScape or new runescape

>>715604042
There's no good way to play runescape anymore

>>715604042
You many years too late for run escape, mate

>>715604042
Just wait for Old school Old School
The current old school runescape is not old school at all. Its bloated with new shit that doesnt belong in a classic server

>>715603629
They were a bad idea because there was no reason to ever fight them. They would teleport away when close to death and even if you killed them, they would drop nothing. Your only option is to run away every time

>>715598743 (OP)
This was actually a really good and much needed update.
The main problem was the fact that they hard capped the minimum and maximum amount of gold you can ask for an item in GE. And the fact that they limited direct trading during that time.

>>715598743 (OP)
GE was a necessary evil because bartering in person is only bearable in very small communities, and even then good luck selling anything that isn't in bulk or a meta upgrade

>>715598743 (OP)
Avorion 2.0

For me, it's trading posts. Trading was solved right here

>>715604042
The best way to play RuneScape right now is to set up one of these locally:
>https://github.com/LostCityRS/Server
>https://2009scape.org/

>>715604042
/v/scape is still running.

Or just play OSRS. The people who complain about the GE wouldn't even be playing if it was around. If trading bothers you that much, make an ironman.

>>715604042
Don't listen to those retards, both are good but if you pick rs3 make sure you go ironman.

>>715604938
>make an ironman
tainted the soul of this game even more than the GE

>>715604042
At this point OSRS is just RS3 lite

>large part of the game is getting a group of people together to go a dungeon with
>aspects of this are currently less than ideal and kinda annoying
SOLUTION?
>completely remove the group-finding part from the game
>this butchers the already diminishing social aspect of the game
>feeling that you're playing in an actual world you need to traverse is also gone
>it's now a stupid button that fast travels you to the dungeon
Why are devs so stupid and incompetent?
Why don't they fix the underlying problems of the original thing instead of just straight up removing it? Are they really that stupid to see that the original thing usually also has something good going for it as well - all of which is now gone too?

>>715606086
LFG tool is what made my quit wow.

>>715598743 (OP)
The grand exchange is, and was always, a symptom of the problem.
People are drawn to efficiency. We will always circumvent the game in favor of third parties.

>>715603984
no? places like edgeville or falador had much smaller but stable location dependent markets, e.g. edgeville was a great place to sell food/potions at higher prices while falador was a great place to sell ores/ingots

>>715606880
>"given the opportunity players will optimize the fun out of a game"

This is a well documented fact, its the role of a game developer to dissuade that kind of behavior through game design.
The point of a game is to "beat" it, if players are forced to purposely play in suboptimal ways just to have fun then that it s a poorly designed game.

Having to haggle with assholes online for fake money sounds like an exercise in frustration, I'll take the GE for better or worse

>>715606086
>aspects of this are currently less than ideal and kinda annoying
I started playing wow back in late wotlk because of my friends and got the experience a before and after dungeon finder while leveling my character.
On an highly populated server I managed to run ONE single dungeon all the way to almost level 40 and that's only because a friend boosted deadmines for me. Literally couldn't get a group going even if I wanted to. After the lfg update I got to discover the scarlet monastery and shits.

>>715607146
What is there to haggle about? You advertise your price and stock and thats it.
If you want to buy something you check out their price and buy it

>>715598743 (OP)
>Spam text en masse sometimes for 10+ minutes or more to sell item
>People say its shit because they actually want to play the game not do bankstand simulator. But still dont want ge
>Trading post is implemented
>Cool at first, but it starts to suck for the buyer because 50% of the time the trader is not available, and sucks for the seller because they have to drop whatever content they are doing to go sell 1 item at the bank
>Community naturally learns ge just solves all the problems

>>715606689
It was tolerable in WotLK at least.

>>715607871
The problem there is the fact that you have to use external tools to check the price. GE basically also served as a way to check prices.

don't care I play ironman

Why do third worlders like to haggle so much? The thought of an auction house always makes them seethe... is it because they can't scam people as easily anymore?

>>715598743 (OP)
You realize if this wasn't added someone would have made a site that is basically the GE right, or even worse a discord

>>715598743 (OP)
GE destroyed runescape even more than removing free trade in 2007. Zoomers want everything super easy and fast. They don't appreciate challenges or the journey. They even watch anime at 2x speed

>MMORPG thread
>boomers think the peak of socialization was spamming "LFG XXX DUNGEON!!!" for hours and hours

>>715610471
ok zoomer

QOL = Casualiation

It's not a quality of life, it's removing features.

>>715610235
There is no such thing as "price checker" only average prices
If you went to varrock to buy big bones and nobody sells them below 350gp it doesnt matter what your price checker says, even if you think 300gp is the correct price

>You don't get it, not having merching and scamming ruined the game

You're so annoying fucking god.

>>715610642
Yeah right "feature", more like finally learning from MUDs who also had that problem except players ran macros and other automatized bullshit to sell their stuff offline.

>>715610730
both are essential parts of mmorpg experience

>>715598743 (OP)
Are there any games that still simulate the bustling merchanting aspect of RS before GE?

>>715610389
Haggling is part of the culture in most third world countries. To them auction houses feel stupid: to pay the price on the sticker without haggling is an act of absolute stupidity.

>>715610697
But that's literally my point. If you wanted to check for the price, you'd have to hop between servers to see what's the most common and what's the lowest price. And you'd also have to use forums (external tool), where people very commonly advertised that they're selling stuff. Then you'd have to write all that shit down and decide what you're personally willing to offer.
It's all just infinitely less convenient than having an in-game system like GE.

>>715610730
I'll be honest, getting scammed in Runescape is probably the best thing that can happen to a kid. It's better to be scammed in RS and learn your lessons in a video game, than in real life.

>>715610389
I am not a thirdie, but I like haggling because prices are inherently arbitrary, and if I can talk someone down from their listed price so they can close a sale Right Now then I will. Especially in a game like Runescape where 99.9% of items in the economy are just straight-up monster drops and the alch value on an item with a 600k street value might be 40k at most.

>>715611004
Nobody says it isnt less convenient. Do you seriously think people who say GE ruined the RS experience are claiming it was more convenient before the GE? Even the OP text doesnt claim that

You just know the same retards who say GE is good are the people pushing for an auction house in PoE like good little goys

>>715598743 (OP)
You stupid faggots keep believing GE ruined the game when advertising in-game would've died off anyway with the use of forums or discord to do shopping. Get over it already.

>>715603836
no there wasnt you disingenuous faggot

>>715610235
>It was tolerable in WotLK at least.
No it wasn't, the soulless experience of running dungeons in WotLK is what made me quit, there was no fun left after they'd automated everything.
Wrath is fucking garbage.

>>715601068
Pretty sure you mean the Homecoming which removed one row and started in absolutely dogshit state. Players quickly started running artifact only decks

>>715600881
It's better now, community driven.

>>715611320
But it didn't ruin the game or drain soul out of it. It strictly improved the game.

And this whole reply chain started because you or some other anon complained about an anon stating
>Having to haggle with assholes online for fake money sounds like an exercise in frustration, I'll take the GE for better or worse
which was a statement effectively saying "It's less frustrating (more convenient), so it's better". So this whole specific conversation was always about convenience.

>>715611615
I know they susnet the game and stopped making expansions but i remember them saying soemthing about a system where community could vote on new cards or something like this? How alive is it and how well does it work?

Removing player trading would a strict improvement. Want to sell or buy something? Go to an npc.

>>715611649
You can say its less convenient without outright lying. Nobody haggled except maybe for rare items and expensive items. For regular bulk items like ores bones potions there was no haggling. If you wanted to sell quickly you'd undercut the people around you and thats it.

>>715611728
What's the point of it being multiplayer then?

>>715611728
I played through that era. It was shit. You couldn't split food or potions with friends at bosses, even after they cranked up the trade limit.

>>715611668
If you're good enough at ranked you get to participate in voting process. You can vote to change cost/provision of cards which makes them viable or not.
Haven't played for a while so not sure if it works fine

>>715611608
>Wrath is fucking garbage.
Regardless of your opinion, it's the final form of WoW and probably the most beloved one. I personally prefer TBC over any other version, but WotLK saw the story of Warcraft to it's end so I can't dislike it much. It is the "complete version" of WoW in my mind, for better or worse.
And it's not like vanilla and TBC didn't have a ton of issues themselves. WoW was always a flawed game.

>>715611959
And that's a good thing, just tell your slacker friends to pull themselves from the bootstraps instead of bumming your hard earned gear.

>>715611563
Yes there was, you fucking retard. I ran fucking bulks of rune essence when rune mysteries released

>>715607575
Highly populated don't mean shit when 90% of the people are AFK in towns at lv 80 waiting for raids/arenas/bgs/etc. tho.

>>715610446
>2007
>Zoomers

Most Zoomers wouldn't have even touched Runescape until the 2010s cause I doubt a 6yr old is playing RS

>>715598743 (OP)
This is the reason the game is still alive. Ultima Online is very similar to OSRS but a GE was never added, and now all of trading is done on discord. In fact 95% of UO is scripting repetitive tasks and discord. Additionally GE added additional layers of economic complexity which is arguably the real meat of the game anyways.

>>715606086
Even back in 2009 finding a dungeon group for anything that wasn't TBC/Wrath was a nightmare of spamming in trade for an hour. The population become way too skewed towards high level content and dungeons aren't efficient leveling unless you spam it a dozen times. Dungeon Finder was an unforunately necessity

>>715598743 (OP)
Fallout 4 next gen update was pretty scummy

>>715598743 (OP)
I love how people continue to scapegoat the GE, while in the same breath admitting they have found memories of RS from like 2010.

>>715604942
>>715604996
>>715604938
>ironman
Soulless singleplayer. There should be two economies, one where you need to physically trade and one GE. UIM is just youtuber/streamer bait.

>>715598743 (OP)
>implying it's not hilariously fun to corner the market on a single obscure good
Doesn't happen much anymore but if you get any capital it's more fun than trading dutch tulips.

>>715606086
To me the dumbest aspect of the dungeon finder was how it rewarded you for playing with randoms over going out of your way to group with people on your own. Like you got a damage buff, a title, and a pet for being antisocial in an online game, what the hell?

Nobody wants to stand around spamming what they want to sell or buy, which the re-release of these games (like OSRS and WoW) proved. Stop pretending, you're in the tiny minority because your brain is a nostalgia driven mess

>>715618321
But you still physically trade 3rd age and whatever untradable shit there is.