Have controllers been perfected?

>can't press X and move right joystick at the same time
lmao.
perfected. absolutely fucking not. i'll stay comfy gaming on mouse and keyboard, thanks.

The G buttons honestly kind of suck. It’s cool that you can easily program them per game, but it’s incredibly easy to squeeze them accidentally if you’re gripping the controller intensely. I can imagine it would get worse if you’re using gyro and you roll your fingers over the buttons when trying to get a certain angle.

did they really not make it with anti-drift sticks after an entire decade of stick drift complaints

this would be the perfect controller if not for the big gay button in the middle
it's simply a more refined and polished ds3 (the previous best controller) variant

>>715622973
There are back buttons you could program to X, retard.

>>715623127
too bad about the shit port. they become loose with time no matter how careful you are. i would mod usb-c but i'm too lazy.

>>715622829 (OP)
TRASH DPAD
FUCK NINTENDO

If not for stick drift and the inability to pair with other consoles/PC, detached joycons would be the best. I can get comfy in any position I want on the couch

>>715623120
Not only does it still use cheap sticks but it's also still using digital triggers and pretty much the same garbage d-pad. Nintendo is retarded.

>>715623127
the d pad sucks ass though

>>715623538
wrong

>no controller with an actually good DPAD

>>715623834
Sadly this.

>>715623194
back buttons won't replace the most crucial 4 face buttons.

>>715624032
They literally can, and did, faggot

>>715623654
brother it's a piece of shit

>>715622829 (OP)
>awful sticks
>even worse d-pad
>garbage shoulder buttons
nintendo really don't know how to make a good controller.

>>715623834
ps5 d-pad is the best i've ever used

my favorite dpad is wasd and the arrow keys specificially for thps franchise. faggots.

>>715624384
yeah but you didnt post anime tummy

>>715624384
>Play THPS3 in 2002
>Can't do many tricks because my keyboard has only 2KRO
I need to replay it.

>>715624240
it's more expensive too, nintendo designed this controller to harvest as much dineros as possible from the consumers
it's literally on purpose

>>715624240
is the switch 1 pro controller better or am I just dumb

>>715622829 (OP)
>shit dpad
>digital triggers
>cheap sticks that’ll start to drift
>pain in the ass to replace the battery if it ever shits itself

>>715622829 (OP)
No, and frankly they never will be since there’s no incentive to. Stick drift was the best thing to happen nintendo. If you make a good controller and sell it to a million people you make a million sales, but if you sell a shitty controller to a million people you make 2 million sales instead. Why else you think they did nothing to address stick drift with the new ones
Also the pro 2 sucks dick

the gamepad is the major thing holding gaming back, we need to move on

>>715624757
It is, but not by much because that was also garbage. People think there's a d-pad lottery for switch 2 pro pads but that's just gaslighting.

>>715623127
Shit sticks
Shit layout
Not a d-pad
Flat buttons
Next!

>>715625209
You don't seem to know what a d-pad is.

>>715625245
He just doesn't want a gaytarded snoygger controller Dpad, please understand snoygooner.

>it's le perfect!
Debunked.
https://youtu.be/awEY5OGvIXE?si=Zri62GDaOwlwgOg6

>>715625340
No, you don't know what a d-pad actually is, do you?

>>715625168
>d-pad lottery
qrd? is it like some people claiming that steam deck d-pads range in quality?

>>715625512
Yeah like the carbon conductive pad or injection mold pad somehow has significant variance depending on when, where and who put the thing together. It literally comes down to some fanboy on reddit saying it's the the other persons fault for getting a bad controller, theirs is working just blastfully.

>>715622829 (OP)
Pic unrelated.

>>715622829 (OP)
The right analog stick is kind of useless if you're not devoting both to direct character control, and I'm not talking about controlling the camera.
If you're not:
>Dodging
>Adjusting Tilt/Yaw/Roll or otherwise doing the work of a HOTAS
>Moving a second character or a horde of minions
>Performing some other character control input
Then a second analog stick is generally not that much better than 4-directional buttons and very inferior to a touchpad.

The diamond face button layout is kind of useless.
Dual stage triggers are also generally better than digital triggers.
It's also good to have split controllers as well, since those are ergonomically better and give you two motion controllers.
For motion controls it is also preferable to have some kind of absolute tracking system.

In short: They should have just refined the Wiimote more, just like everyone else was doing at the end of 7th gen, but instead they caved to tabletshit.
>>715625145
Absolutely. The traditional gamepad is the worst at everything unless the game gimps itself to cater to it.

>>715625452
> Muh it's just 4 buttons argument.
Some people just prefer the surface of a d-pad to be connected by a plastic cover rather than four separate mushy button you autismo.

Can you rebind the c button

>>715626295
Nobody is convinced. You never knew that, did you?

>>715626424
Snoyggers are subhuman so you don't deserve to to talk, lol $900 online snoy games brick owner lmao.

>>715626295
>Gamesaaaaaaaar

If you want to play 2D platformers so bad just buy an arcade stick, jesus. There is a reason why modern D-pads are like this

>>715622829 (OP)
Yes, analog triggers are a useless meme btw

>>715626631
Its a PDP controller, Gameshats don't even do a Dpad like that because the switch + pad is more cheaper now.

>>715626592
It's always funny when non-players try to talk about games and controllers and consoles, they reveal little details about how they perceive the world and often project in doing so.

>>715626812
Says the person with no games console, subhuman snoyfag, lmao.

>>715626592
>snoy snoy
Stop yapping about your online boyfriend, Jesus Christ you're an obsessed little creature.

>>715626960
Imagine responding, you are the one obsessed, your skin color is brown isn't it? I can tell. This is your coping mechanism for poor impulse buy.

>>715622829 (OP)
>analog sticks when there's hall and TMR out there
>nes tier dpad
>digital triggers
lol keep coping, you senile retard

>>715626918
Classic non-player projection. This guy is just a treasure trove of poorly formed opinions. Must not have played any games this year, it's already half way over buddy you gotta start playing and posting less.

>>715622829 (OP)
Indeed. It has reached, dare I say it, its Apex.

>>715627052
man you are embarassing

>>715626295
>pic
they are the exact same dpad
the ds5 dpad just have a cover on it but they will work exactly the same

>>715627154
Says Rapeape (indian janitor, hi faggot.)your penis and everything is online closeted pedofaggot, lmao.

>>715627319
ok

>>715627475
Your pathetic attempts to shill for snoy is pretty pathetic and we know its you every single time.

>>715627569
Who is "we?"

>>715627615
Everyone that uses 4chan outside of your friend circle knows already.

>>715627728
"Who" exactly?

>>715627317
> THEY ARE THE SAME DPAD
> DPADS FUNCTION BY PRESSING BUTTONS.
Literal brain drain territory, go back to whatever 3rd world tier shithole you spawned from and don't return to 4chan to shill for snoyggers.

>>715627615
Don't bother with him, he's schizophrenic.

>>715627886
I'm just having fun, unhinged nintendo fans are good playthings. I hope he doesn't realize he's being dragged along here.

>>715627886
>>715627984
> Muh nintendo.
> I was posting literal xbox controller.
The only literal fanboy/schizophrenic of anything is your gay boyfriend janitor pedophile with below 3 inch cock who just happens to be the brownest street shitter around lmao.

>>715622973
crab claw, retard

I'm just having fun, unhinged cultists who are obsessed with the rival companyare good playthings. I hope he doesn't realize he's being dragged along here xD

>>715623538
Input could be more accurate but it's very comfortable. I'm willing to make that tradeoff.

>>715628135
> I WAS JUST PRETENDING TO BE RETARDED I AM STILL ASSUMING YOU ARE A FAN OF A RIVAL COMPANY!
You are still a retarded indian shill, fucking kill yourself.

>>715622973
You can
That’s what the remappable back buttons are for

>dogshit dpad
Why the fuck is this a lost fucking art nowadays?

>>715624268
Was your only previous experience an x360 controller? Most of first party controllers have better dpads, including literally every Sony controller before it.

>>715624032
It’s not to replace them anon, it’s to fix the issue you stated

>>715627832
>retard get angry
they are the same dpad you would know if you touched any ds5 in your life
when you press a side the whole dpad move with it they are not separated buttons there is just a plastic cross cover in the middle that hide the fact they are connected

>>715628089
>The only literal fanboy/schizophrenic
You're being targeted and abused by 4chan staff and /vip/. Your posts are literally being linked in a thread for brigading.

>>715623127
>ds3 (the previous best controller)
When's the last time you held a DualShock3 in your hands?
Go do it right now, then come back and try saying that again.

>>715628389
They are MECHANICALLY (things how it works inside) same but not FUNCTIONALLY (how the actual pressing happen as in how your fingers meet the button cover required to press etc) the same, you wouldn't get the definition because you are mentally ill ESL who didn't pick up a dictionary.

>>715628218
Uh oh, little Timmy is having an episode...

>>715628419
Brigading for what exactly? So 4chan staff is sucking each other off now because Rapeape still hasn't been kicked for poor optics and being a shitty pedophile indian toaster? I don't give a fuck what your Ministry of State Security from China has to say.

>>715628565
ok retard keep seething

>>715628658
The pressing is being done by the cover rather your fingers individually sliding over the buttons, do you get that much fucking retard? You are probably one of those retards who think "hurr durr stringed instruments are all the same you just pluck a note and it rings out there's no difference between X and Y sound signature?" That's literally your take on controllers.

>>715628651
Your posts were the ones mentioned by all those staffers with .gov and .edu emails. You're known and wanted. All for being a retarded faggot.

>>715628794
your fingers move the same
if you want something more it's not a dpad you're looking for

>>715628876
Lol, think I should be scared some subhumans that don't even leave their parent's basement coming to get me, how do you think they even going to get to me when they are so mentally crippled they can't even leave their homes? LOL.

Has 8bitdo perfected controllers?

>>715628927
Retard IQ take, you are showcasing your subhuman IQ clearly a case of genetic mental retardation inherited from both your parents.
> Response is different.
> Reaction time to press the button is different.
> Space between switching buttons is different.
Yep, you can stop talking now snoygger.

>>715628331
I've got a ps5 controller and a switch 1 pro controller, and an xbox one controller here and they're all better than the shit-ass ps4

>>715629069
Yes.

>>715629082
the only games you should be playing with dpad are pokemon games don't talk like a 0.1ms delay is important to you
if you're into a game where it's matter you're clearly in the iron division for playing with a dpad
if you're into retro gaming all you want is original hardware and shouldnt discuss modern controllers dpads
now try proving you're not retarded for arguing otherwise

now something for people who talk to women.

>>715629406
trans women*

>>715629368
> No no your argument is wrong because you are playing the wrong games!
> YOU AREN'T PLAYING REAL GAMES.
Snoygger talking about games is funny, no games. Lol schizo is you, stop breathing, 2D platformers also exist which are better on fast responsive D-Pad.. But you are somehow the real gamer for playing "kojima" tier "games" on a "controller." Pathetic.
>>715629298
The fun fact is that all snoy controllers past first console were meant to be breakable for some damn reason, falling shoulder buttons, stick drift, you name it, every single fucking issue with a controller snoyggers found a way to make it happen.

>>715629406
It truly is the best controller around.

>>715628094
what an enjoyable way to play games!

>>715629659
It is really not.

>>715628094
>why yes i do love cock cages and buttplugs, how could you tell?

>>715623202
Just use them wirelessly then charge them from the bottom port in a station whenever you don't use them.

>>715629667
Its actually not that hard to learn to play the claw on either controller style. (Symmetric/Asymmetric) Unless you got weak wrists I get it.

>>715629667
it's how you'd play monster hunter back in the psp era

>>715629791
Lowest input latency around, quality components that players have had decades of training on, excellent fun features like resistive triggers and the best haptic feedback ever in games, gyro, really it covers everything.

Definitely beats Nintendos false diagonals, Xbox's feature incomplete and ghost input garbage.

>Its actually not that hard to learn to play [in an extremely autistic way that shortens your lifespan]. Unless you got weak wrists I get it.

>>715628094
Is it normal to have fingernails that short? or do I have fag hands?

>>715629824
> Soijak sister posts xer personal fetish laundry list.
oh my anon, how brave and wonderful are you into getting your balls stomped?

This dumb nigger still doesn't realize there's nothing comfy about crab gaming in a thread where controllers are supposed to be deemed perfect

>>715622829 (OP)
Fuck no. Specially not that one.
Instead of fixing d-pads, controllers decided to use annoying microswitches.
Analog sticks used to work quite well, but now everyone "needs" TMR sticks.
Haptics are not put to good use at all and some gimmicks are obnoxiously underutilized.
There's still multiple input standards and the one that's supposed to be hassle free (xinput) is also featureless because Microsoft is stuck in the past.
Valve refuses to release a new proper controller and instead releases a shitty Hori controller.

>>715628094
"my girlfriend's boyfriend" shit

>>715629406
Should have grabbed the black one but I'm retarded

>>715630091
people with those type of nails are anxious bitches that got their pacifier taken too son, so they chew on their nails like crackheads
you should trim your nails to about 0.5 mm of nail edge, though

>>715628094
Why is it so difficult for this piece of shit company to update the arcaic xinput and add more buttons, gyro, and other modern configurations?

am i the only one who prefers external 2A batteries over internal ones? they all eventually die and the replacement ones you can get are all shit, also why do controllers have drift when older ones don't? been using my trusty 360 controller for 10y and it never drifted, but i keep buying used ps4/5 and new xbox controllers and most of them have drift, it's easy to fix but still

>>715630209
someone should make a F310 layout controller with a less stiff better thumbsticks and it would be crowned the king of controllers and no separate button covers for the dpad, its pretty useful for playing souls games to have that instant access with the double claw grip.

>>715629973
>Definitely beats Nintendos false diagonals
Nintendos yes.
But it's not far ahead, it's evenly matched with 8bitdo. I will still often get missed diagonals but it's not as flimsy as the Switch Pro controller.
I saw a video about the Switch Pro 2 controller being exactly as shitty regarding its d-pad as the Pro. I wonder if it's actually done on purpose.

>>715628094
nice cock btw

>>715630447
That's one of the reasons I hate both snoygger and nintendo's dpad format, its just awful if you need to press diagonals accurately, the only reason EWGF was hard on the controller was exactly because of dualshock style dpad. You can much more easily use a 360 style or the newer ones with a single cover to get the D-Punch motion with no fail.

>>715630447
>evenly matched with 8bitdo
Even worse for false diagonals.

>>715630665
I mean the more modern ones. SN30 was notorious to be one of the worst in existence. I have an SN30 Pro 2 and it's not great, but nowhere near as bad.

I have this one (wired version though) and I quite like it

>>715629406
It's a good controller except for the battery life and integrated speaker and mic.

>>715630813
And PlayStation controllers have never had a problem with diagonals

>>715630979
No, actually it went into the opposite direction. I have a dualshock (PSOne version) where you have to push the d-pad pretty fucking hard to get diagonals. It's essentially a fucking 4 way d-pad and that's it most of the time. I'll have no luck doing quarter circles on that shit.

>>715631239
Some tekken players still use PS1 mitsumi pre-dual analog controllers. You likely have dirty contacts.

>>715631396
You are talking about different controllers anon, made by different people.

>>715631396
This shit was brand new when I bought it though.

>>715631528
Indeed, this is the one I have
See, different colors from the classic ones

>>715631528
PlayStation has used several manufacturers in the past. There's like 6 revisions at a minimum every generation of their controllers.

>>715631673
A good reason to doubt the validity of the claim that playstation controllers have never had a problem with diagonals.
Some were good, some weren't.

>>715631742
That's conjecture, a basic fallacy. They shared essential components and the only ones that had notable performance variance was pressure fit ALPS Alpine DS2s. Most are the exact same, some people gaslit themselves into believing Mitsumi was the best because they also make Nintendo PCBs.

no the ultimate controller will be a full exoskeleton that simulates breaking your bones in game by snapping them in reality

>>715631742
At least the old ones still hold up to their quality in longevity unlike modern ones. If we use longevity as a mark of "joy" gained from a controller's use as a mark of quality:
> Logitech (These shitters will last a fucking submarine being crumpled by water pressure.)
> PSX (Lasts long as fuck.)
> Xbox360 (Would last you 8+ years before the cord would fuck up.)
> Nintendo controllers have dogshit quality joysticks otherwise solid.

>>715632172
My gamecube controller survived multiple wars.
It was shit, but it was definitely durable.
My Sixaxis still works fine and I bought that one used, abused and malnourished likely by some methhead back in 2014. The analog sticks are a bit flimsy but I used that one for a long period of time.

a>>715626664
>If you want to play 2D platformers so bad just buy an arcade stick,
This, but with a leveless that has a dual layout.

>>715632634
Most modern platformers will use both sticks somewhat.

>>715630303
>Should have grabbed the black one but I'm retarded
it's sexy ngl

>>715630935
>It's a good controller
NO, ITS NOT... ITS DOGSHIT TRASH

posting sexy backside

>>715632662
For 2D platformers? You should be good for any up to the fifth console gen. I can only think of a couple of newer ones that use the right analog. I know Bloodstain requires it. Some games like Hollow Knight use it for extra camera control but are still playable without it.

>>715628094
Crazy that there are anons itt RIGHT NOW who never figured out a grip like this and that need to take their thumbs off the thumbstick to jump and roll and shit. You play videogames like a geriatric

>>715628331
My DS3 and PSone controllers have significantly worse dpads than my Dualsense, unusable mush that may as well give random directions. Original PSX is better, but I like the shape and texture of the Dualsense's more.
Dualsense is still pretty shit that said, I have to fight it for diagonals and it'll somehow jump between down-right and right with my thumb low on the down button (picrel, 623A and holding the 3)

>>715622829 (OP)
what the fuck is a good dpad, i've never seen consensus

>>715635254
anything not on a Snoy or Nintendo controller.

>>715623834
Series SeX dpad is great.

>>715635254
Saturn seems the most agreed-upon, but I'm sure it still has its haters.

I watched the nerrel video and I was surprised to see how shit his dpad was.
And from the comment section under the video I saw claims of it both being good and others who reiterate nerrel's claims.

So it really as nerrel suggested, that there might be a huge variance in build quality for the dpads somehow for some reason?
But if so, why? How does such a thing even happen? The dpad on my ns2 controller is way the fuck better than my totk-edition ns1 controller, and that controller should be modern enough to have a modern ns1 dpad. And my ns2 dpad is easily better than it. And I mimicked nerrel's test myself and did a bunch of tests of my own. Not to mention how much better just feels under my thumb and the dpad pivot.


How are your dpads? Did you get a good dpad or is yours bad?

>>715623127
These are flimsy as shit and get stickdrift very easily.

>>715635881
Saturn dpad is literally the same as 360 in theory.

I think the abillity to use joysticks as buttons needs to be removed because it wears out controllers too quickly.

>>715635449
Hard agree. Every time someone tries to defend the Switch Pro dpad I wonder if they’ve ever actually played a 2D game on it. It’s like Nintendo stuck a soggy tortilla on there and called it a day. Same with Dualshock dpads after PS2 – mushy, stiff, and somehow both unresponsive and prone to false diagonals. Meanwhile 8bitdo casually drops better dpads on $30 knockoff controllers.

>>715630379
who cares about that fag shit

>>715635943
Even just from posts here it's pretty clear there's a lot of potential variance to d-pads. I've seen anons complain about diagonals being overly easy on Dualsense, but >>715634895 has the opposite problem. Some anons say Flydigi d-pads are great, some say diagonals are too easy, some say diagonals are too hard, some complain about being able to press left and right at the same time which is a blatant manufacturing error. I'd theorize there's little to no QC on d-pads as they aren't the primary input method for most games. There's not much incentive to put effort into them for fighting games either, as tournaments typically being hosted on Sony consoles means anyone not using leverless or stick is already funneled towards the "good enough" DS4.

>>715637307
> Good enough cope.
lol. They are just coping with the fact that they know the DS is shit and have to stick with it due to tournament format not any other reason.

>>715622829 (OP)
Not until I get my ideal controller:
>TMR/hall effect sticks and triggers
>hair trigger switch
>force feedback triggers
>haptic feedback rumble
>all buttons and dpad pressure sensitive for ps2/ps3/rpcs3 compatibility
>optical microswitches for the final level button presses
>six face buttons genesis layout alongside the two triggers and two bumpers on top
>plastic notches/octagonal gate around the left control stick for precise 3d movement
>speaker
>gyro support
>comes in all silver
>wireless with interchangeable batteries
>adjustable tension for the sticks, preferably dial rings around the sticks
>anti friction rings
>ds4 style grips but with soft rubber dotted texture
>xbox series style trigger/bumper shapes for comfort
>macro and turbo function

>>715622829 (OP)
Can I use this on the Switch 1? If not why not? Its basically the same fucking shit. Switch also sold about as much as the PS2 if we don't adjust for those missing sales numbers that Sony randomly decided to pull out their ass to pad the PS2's numbers.

>>715623127
Same thing with the PS5 controller. They could have easily made it much smaller and put the Sony home button as well as the other three buttons above the sticks. Also get rid of that stupid ass share button ffs and bring back start/select instead.

>>715637874
> Make already small controllers smaller.
You want your thumbs to rub together when you use the right tick and left stick towards each other? Crazy.