Thread 715632526

>>715632526 (OP)
I really liked Oblivion Remaster but it was a little bit glitchy

>>715632526 (OP)
How is this possible? Oblivion remaster sold pretty well especially on PC

>>715632750
>sold pretty well
>gamepass
>sold
haha, okay Phil

>>715632750
The company is gigantic.

>>715632526 (OP)
>>715632750
>Tensions between staff and leaders were compounded by the fact that, per Andres' claims, Virtuos isn't enjoying any royalty payments off the success of Oblivion Remastered, which has risen to be one of the best-selling games of 2025 so far.

ooof

>>715632526 (OP)
>ruined my randomly physics
good

>>715632750
its a global support studio with 3000+ staff

>>715632968
>we need to get paid more than agreed to because... uhhhh

>>715632526 (OP)
Was Oblivion Remastered jank difficulty balancing ever fixed? It's one of the major reasons i stopped playing.

>>715633075
This, don't wamt goys to get paid for their work, that's commie talk

>>715633101
Yes, in the latest patch.

>>715632526 (OP)
Remastered was good tho

>>715632526 (OP)
Good.
Remasters \ remake have no value.
It's not your creation, it's not your idea, it's not your work. You can just copy and badly what someone else has already done, usually trying to shadow them to glorify yourself.

>>715632924
Steam doesn't have gamepass retard-kun

>>715632968
am i supposed to feel bad for them? How about they create their own game if they want full package

>>715632526 (OP)
In other news, 300 H-1B indians just got a job!

>do an overall good job
>still get fucked by big wig suits anyways
what is the point anymore

>>715632750
>no physical release
>body types
>censored statues and outfits
>uglified females
Would have sold better if not for that

H1B SAAARRS

>>715634773
>uglified females
come the fuck on, this is Oblivion, nothing looked good in that.

>>715634409
No no it must be woke or dei
Suites and infinite profit guys can do no wrong, greed has never been a problem when it comes to video game development

>>715634978
See this guy totally get it
>>715634773

>>715634409
There isn't any. Our system is being maintain by noble retards slow on the uptick. Anyone with sense checked out and stopped caring by the Covid era at the latest.

>make big game
>need big team
>release big game
>paying people to do nothing
There's so much fat in these studios without even considering the above.

>>715634409
Just stop working

>>715632968
oh so they're just bad at business

>>715632968
Wait, they're not getting any royalties? Are they retarded? Whyd they agree to make it??

>>715634953
They somehow found a way to make it look worse

>>715635563
The flipside of this is they carried much less liability if the game sold poorly.

>>715634409
form your own companies and stop working with mega corps. its hard and it takes a lot of effort but its the only way to make a sustainable game dev company

AAA dev work is really untenable these days. I can't imagine anyone genuinely being excited to break into the big leagues when you're rewarded for your work with a pink slip. People used to riot about shit like that.

>>715636204
>they carried much less liability if fucking Oblivion sold poorly.
So they're just dumb, cool.

>>715635563
>Whyd they agree to make it??
Dear studio filled of poorfag asians: Remaster this 20 years old game and we will pay you. Not forever, but for now, and the pay will be pretty good. -t, World's Largest Company

What's so hard to figure out about that? Every single region ex-US/EU doesn't have this "work for the same company for your whole life" mentality. Even white collar management jobs are "gigs" with a shelf life of a few years at most. It's why all the immigrant workers are vicious ship jumpers. How do you think this works? You do a great job on a game and the company agrees to keep paying you for X years afterwards?

>>715635128
In theory they're working on MGS Delta next? So they're not doing nothing.

>>715636318
Easier said that done
Funding is a pain in the ass (unless your dad big millionaire)
You can't hire whomever
Most of your heigher ups have work for basically nothing in hopes of making the money back when the game is sucess
Blizzard can take 30 review bombings they can't do the same, it'll be killed in the algorithm

>>715635902
I don't believe you.

>>715632968
kek, they got New Vegas'd

>>715632750
Game is done. You thought they let dead weight hang on until they're needed again?

>Virtuos is said to have made significant efforts on Oblivion, with a policy of over-delivering on quality relative to the budget, and a contract without royalties (no bonuses tied to the game's success).
lol lmao. literally "dude, it'll get you exposure"

>>715637309
Are you asking how royalties work?

>>715637728
In Europe that would probably be cheaper. But America is "employment at will" land.

>>715632526 (OP)
good stuff
300 people working on the game couldn't recreate a similar color palette for the remake, how pathetic

>>715637760
>dude, it'll get you exposure
>gets laid off
Wow

>>715637614
Ok

>game bombs
>get laid off
>game does well
>get laid off
Such is life for game devs

>>715632526 (OP)
deserved for making UE5 slop

>>715632526 (OP)
Misleading news.
How many were hired specifically to work on Oblivion?

>>715638005
It's crazy since these guys are also working on MGS 3 too. They get work but its not enough.

>>715633956
>sold 200k on steam
damn you got me

>>715637591
i never said it was easy, i just said thats what it takes. blood sweat and tears, turn a passion project you create in your spare time slowly into something bigger over time. It shouldnt be that hard but it is. you cannot and should not trust big companies at all whatsoever when it comes to creativity. You have to guard it, protect it, and make sure its done right. Never let these greedy psychopaths or woke moralists anywhere near your creative outlets. Take every single measure you can to safeguard your work from them. That is how you succeed long term.

>>715638005
>get paid to make game
>game is finished
>stop getting paid because the job is done
NOOOOOO SAVE ME BERNIE

>>715634409
Everyone works as private contractors these days
Once the job is done you fuck off and beg for the next role

>>715637760
Damn my stomach loves exposure.

>>715638375
Are you illiterate?

>>715635563
No one ever gets royalties yes. All of the money always go to the publisher

>>715632750
You still haven't realized that there isn't much of a correlation between how much a game sold and howany layoffs there will be?

>>715638474
not an argument

>>715638005
It's funnier because the games aren't even bombing. Retarded normgroids buy them in droves and never play more than 3 hours and the devs still get axed.
If you have any dev skill then you gotta be desperate and retarded to get into this industry right now.

>>715632750
There is an ongoing great replacement perpetrated by indian CEOs, note how people whining about the AI myth will NEVER speak ill of the actual reason why they got fired.

>>715638661
Why do you think dev work is some kind of gig industry where you get laid off after the work period? Is it not a company that you are employed and salaried at?

>>715632750
Microsoft was paying the least amount humanely possible to do the project, as the second richest company on Earth should.
These guys underbid the other sweatshops by agreeing to a fixed payment with no royalties.

They could have literally released a text game and they would have gotten the same amount of money for it.

>>715639019
if they don't need the worker currently why would they keep them around?

>>715639093
If they don't need the workers currently why do they keep hiring foreigners that are paid below market rate?

>>715639019
Modern game dev is. Read up on Microsoft replacing the whole studio mid-development just to avoid having to pay social security.

Of course old-school game dev was not, since they were game making places. But modern studios are just investment appreciators. Zero humanity. Throw meat in, get money out. And the vidya community loves it, chokes on MBA dicks and licks their balls clean with every new release.

>>715639327
to cut costs

>>715632750
>game exceeds expectations
>cull the chaff and siphon off the profits for yourself
It just works

>>715639327
because you get tax cuts if you have enough browns and women in your company

>>715632968
>FNV all over again
Never change Todd

>>715639019
times change gramps

>>715639093
Usually they'd put them on other projects because their job is just specialized enough that the cost of paying for a replacement and training would offset the short term gains of cutting them from the payroll. It's honestly a very unique stance the game industry has on employment because I couldn't imagine how any other industry could maintain worker confidence if they fired people as casually as the game industry does.

>>715632526 (OP)
>does absolutely nothing but redirect their job to 3rd party sweatshops and AI
>gets massive layoffs
Who would've expected that?

>>715638960
I wonder why

Reminder to anyone working for any corpo. It is your moral and civil duty to always do as little work as possible and take the longest breaks you can get away with.

>>715632526 (OP)
>dont worry bro, ai isnt coming for your job
You faggots told me if i learn to code id be set for life, you lying snakes

>>715632526 (OP)
Why not slim down HR and sales?

>>715639665
Unless ai is also brown and eats shit, it's not ai you are getting replaced by.

>>715639665
Strange how these companies keep announcing layoffs but still somehow have the same or more employees than before? Are they counting AI as workers or is there something else happening and media is actively misdirecting you about it?

>>715639019
Dev work has resulted in being gig work
Most artists are contract workers and i can’t imagine its much different for everyone else on the team as well
With how easy it is to outsource it seems like this is the norm
Investors and publishers don’t really believe in the idea of a team becoming mature and working well together for projects. Dev teams are far to big and they prefer thinking of people as interchangeable since it tends to be cheaper

If you can make the talent feel worthless, then you’ve basically won business

>>715632750
You can sell a trillion gorillion oyveyllion copies, you're still getting fired because westacuck devs can't into budget lol. They'd rather cover the dilation stations and HR for all nepo employees.

Oblivion Demake has Body Type A and B. That tells you they had an overpaid ethics troon department.

>>715639951
they fire some people and hire others

>>715632750
Easy.
Virtuous did the same as Groove Street Games for GTA Trilogy: do nothing while hiring Indian sweatshops to do the job for you. What happens is that Microsoft can just lay off the devs so most of the revenue gets grabbed for themselves when they can just hire sweatshops directly beneath the table so they can take most the cake without having devs to share a slice.

>>715639093
A good team works well together and can be more efficient and consistent and its interesting seeing how a team can mature consistent

This makes sense if you love games and sees talented people as valuable
Modern games are ass because they’re just a collection of systems pilled up on each other based on the latest flavor of the month without being an elegant game where every decision is meaningful resulting in an experience and not something designed around getting you addicted

>>715634409
Pretty sure these retards, like all Western companies, spend retard money on expansions and then realized later it was stupid once their clients/job offerings went back to normal

>>715639951
They fire the people who do the real work and hire female HR people instead.

>>715637835
Did you miss that they're not collecting royalties?? This is a support studio!

>>715639951
AI is just a front to make investors think they're making Star Trek shit, the hype is dead and even normalfags see how flawed this tech still is

>>715639596
Ah yeah UE is "specialized". I keep forgetting that. Tens of millions of people, millions in India alone, have at least some experience with UE.

>I couldn't imagine how any other industry could maintain worker confidence if they fired people as casually as the game industry does.
Idk where you're from, but the Rust Belt in America and North England would like a word.

>>715632526 (OP)
sirs... where is mr trumps helping us?

>>715641918
LMAO

>>715632526 (OP)
>>715632968
With Todd, you lose.

OblivionRemastered was just a Paid Mod for Oblivion
Todd thanks the TES modders for continuing to keep Bethesda relevant

>>715641721
There's been plenty of great games across Unreal Engine's entire lifetime, maybe that could happen again if they'd actually let dev teams work as a unit and do interesting things with it.

>>715632750
>How is this possible?
Chinks found out they can just pay gaming executives to tank their own companies and pave way for Tencent/Netease soft power scams in the games market. Even Nintendo is falling victim. They fund DEI in the west through shell companies and then always show up to claim they know better.
This post will be replied to by multiple ccp shills.

>>715632526 (OP)
>studio finishes game
>lays off employees no longer needed
WHAT THE FUCK WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS

>>715634409
>is the point anymore
things stopped making sense for a loooong while, we will have to wait for the inevitable shock with reality before everything start going to their normal path.

>>715642321
>Todd thanks the TES modders for continuing to keep Bethesda relevant
MS is absolutely going to do this same thing with Morrowind. OpenMW will go on but the other projects are in for a C&D.

>>715642408
>I'll pay you 10 bucks if you could just kill yourself
First of all that would be hilarious if true. Retards getting paid into killing themselves deserve to die.

Secondly, that's obviously not true you retard. Take some fucking responsibility for being gay and retarded for once in your gay and retarded life. Nobody forced you into being a cuck. You did it all on your own and you're even forcing your own allies into being that.

>>715642805
If MS goes after Tamriel Rebuilt I don't know if I can be held responsible for my actions.

>>715632526 (OP)
from body types to body bags

>>715642878
And here's CCP shill no.1
You have openly been revealing the scam in BRICs media for a decade, Chang. You're not fooling anyone. Cry and type ad homs all you want. It's a fact.

>>715642408
so far there are only like 2 Chinese studios that do classic games, one is panthea and the other one is game science, for a country with 1.2 billons of people that is like really small number, I fucking hate gacha so all their studios doesn’t count btw

>>715633075
>management signs contract to make remaster without a cut of the royalty
>management fires 300 workers because they're not getting a part of the royalties
Weird how the people who make the mistakes are never the ones punished for it.

>>715642493
>studio got huge contracts
>studio hired more employees
>studio no longer get huge contracts
>studio fired employees

>>715643068
>It's a fact.
It's a cope. You're gay. You were always gay. And you want both your enemies and allies to be gay.

Also your articles don't even back your schizophrenia.

>>715632750
That’s WHY they were laid off. The work is done and patches aren’t needed. Thus, they get laid off. Microsoft is an American company that operates on American cultural values. If you work hard, you get laid off so Sandeep can profit. There are no jobs, just slop allowances.

>>715632968
master of chess club wins again

>>715643715
The whole world sees what you are doing and how dogshit you are, Wong

>>715638498
Why would you lie about this when Remedy announces every other month they're getting royalties from Alan Wake 2?

>>715642878
>NATO
SEATO was already a thing

>>715643787
You're a schizo. I'm just harmlessly gloating. I take no part nor credit in your suicide. And the world sees that.

>chinkshill exposed
>continues crying and exposing himself
further proof IQ is meaningless

>>715644542
>2019
anon you started a whole ass genocide in the meantime lol

>>715644409
>I'm just harmlessly gloating
>please ignore the folders of anti-American reaction images I am posting
>I am definitely not a CCP shill

Genuinely who do you think you are fooling hahahaha

>>715632968
They deserve it, Unreal engine 5 SUCKS

>>715635563
It's the reason we're talking about it right now, it's a game that put them out there.
if the game sells well without royalites, welp fuck, but also if the game sell nothing, it's not virtuos that takes the hit, but bethesda.

And it's not like the amount of money they had before and after the game is the exact same, they can expand their studio, hire more people , give promotions and so on. Bethesda would have find one of the many other studio that wanted this project and without royalties

This company has too many fucking people in general. In terms of price, europe is the step above asia and below america which cost way too much because income is so fucking high
my 2 cents is they do those layoff in asia to prepare for AI

>>715645101
Good luck finding any game made in anything else 2 years from now. It won't change until Fortnite tanks and they raise the license costs.

>>715644542
Lots of chinks are mentally retarded. Billions of people occasionally yield 1 standout.

>>715644864
>folders of anti-American reaction images
It's just the truth thoughever lmao

This >>715642878 is the official US embassy tweet and this >>715643715 came into light thanks to Elon Musk and the DOGE department. China didn't do that - you did.

>>715632750
Selling well doesn't stop layoffs in 2025.

>>715645330
>It's just the truth
So are Chinese eating food made with gutter oil, but I'm not spamming that am I? So the question remains, why are you doing so? Could it be because you are a shill?

>>715639093
>they will need those workers once they get another oblivion type game
>hiring and firing devs/artist is the best way to lose knowledge and have a studio never ever be able to step up their quality

>>715645460
>tfw no choco rabbit gf

>>715632750
>sold pretty well

>>715642919
Download and archive

>>715645478
>So are Chinese eating food made with gutter oil
Uhh no, that's for amerimutts lol

>>715634773
>true
>true
>false
>false
gg, /v/ermin

not modded btw, try to do this in the OG

>>715632526 (OP)
>here. Sign this contract to work for us for 30 months
>30 months later
>Nooooo mass layoffs noo

For anons who don't know who Virtuos is:
>they're mostly an outsourcing company that's HQd in France but owns farms of chinese artists in China
>they do co development stuff sometimes (like making this Oblivion remaster, or helping CDPR with CP2077 patch content (in fact, a Virtuos guy was in the CDPR live stream earlier today talking about it)
>if you're not French, you can't rise above middle management
>they probably have worked on every AAA game from the last 15 years in some form

So they're not a game studio, and AI is absolutely going to be replacing as many of those Chinese jobs as they can get away with.

>>715645856
but it did

>>715645891
race traitor

>>715638246
are you retarded or disingenuous (im guessing both)

>>715632750
It sold well, and now they've done it there is no need to keep them around. Better to hire and fire as needed than keep people on payroll when you can import developers as needed.

>>715632526 (OP)
>make fagshit """"remasters""""
>get laid off for it
At least there's some justice in this world.

>>715635563
Experience and Exposure. Hehehe

>>715645881
Uhhhh, muttbros??

>>715645973
it keep amazing me how china could be this big and still not have renown studios, you will think that with that much people at least 1 studio would be recognizable by now, but nop, only pure gacha shit

>>715645881
You're right, Chinese would never use gutter oil

Still no patch to fix the horrid performance caused by wrong UE5 settings.

>>715645881
The Chinese absolutely do NOT use gutter oil, anyone saying otherwise is lying!

>>715646084
You dare to insult Tiber Septim?

>>715645891
Custom characters don't count

>>715632968
>Do all the work
>Bethesda gets the credit
>The utter failures that were Star Field and F76 get memory-holed
>Fire the very people that made you boat loads of money
>Que up release of ES VI, will sell very well no matter how much it sucks

Welcome to America.

Right now inverstors really like to invest in companies that fire hundreds of people and invest in AI.

>>715632526 (OP)
so es6 is guaranteed shit?
oblivion remastered made me think maybe an ounce of talent still exited and it wasnt going to be more starfield.

>>715646482
>>715646579
Are you illiterate? >>715645881

>>715632621
Those are legacy glitches from the original

>>715632750
Sales? What about the CEO’s bonus? You’re being selfish

It really says something that a modern studio even has 300 people to lay off when they literally just remake things that originally took less than 100 people to make from scratch.

>>715638246
200k sales on day one is, in fact, pretty good

>>715645316
Epic gets money from the hospitalar software shit they do, thats why they never go bankrupt.
they are literally a glowie company

>>715647382
They're 40% owned by China, BRICshill troon. It's obvious where they get their money from.
No actual /v/ poster supports them for it, you retarded shill.

>>715646443
It comes down to their culture, anon. There's a pervasive 'if it's good enough, stop there' mentality, so they're happy to take stuff invented by others, tweak it/make it faster or cheaper, but not really innovate. India is the same way, except they do it worse. And for a lot of the Chinese companies, there are domestic games that can make money, so they don't need to court western audiences or deal with any of the laws or regulation shit if they can just sell domestically.

>>715634409
Sorry but you are a slave.
Don't question it.

>>715634409
and then the (((suits))) cry about "competency crisis". no one smart would work for vidya companies

>>715639093
building skill and competency. do you not see how shit games are nowdays? it's because they are made by pajeets and college freshmen with no experience

>>715632968
>royalty
is there anybody those days who dosnt want to be paid for ever for shit the already were paid for?

>>715634409
None. Be a NEET

>>715635563
>Whyd they agree to make it??
tens of millions of $
that why would they agree?

why are retards talking like they werent paid, they were paid already, and they take no risks
bethesda takes all the risks, and gets the reward
if the game didnt sell then bethesda would suffer tens of million $ of loses, and studio would still make that money

>>715632750
Western devs are being replaced with Indians that are hooked up to AI prompting machines. Do the needful and step aside for the new master race

>>715646443
China has stone cold retarded rules about videogames. It's worse than trying to make a gambling game in the West.

>>715646818
The main story and mechanics of TESVI is guaranteed shit, yes, but the modding and models might be worth it. See -> >>715645891

>>715637383
Yeah but it's quite a lot of overhead to just throw a load of people onto a project they've never worked on before. Usually you'd run two game teams separately. If they gutted the team and their plan going forward was one game at a time, they might just get people bug fixing on delta. Either way, it's not an easy transition.

>>715647523
>Bricstroon
Anon i want shitzil and its buddies to burn as epic
Also get your ass out of /r/politics and sharty

>>715632750
>xer believed the FOMO campaign

>>715632526 (OP)
>Mass layoffs
>300
Rookie numbers

>>715647523
>They're 40% owned by China
Ok so not even the majority. Tencent invests in everything under the sun btw, Epic is not special. Even Snoy invests in them.

>>715648256
LMAO

>>715638375
how about you give devs more job immediately after old job is done
or let them do an open project that might turn into a game of its own, develop new technology or gameplay loops, and/or hone devs' skills so they are sharper when the time for the next project comes
but no, who needs elite trained units, just send waves of meat at the problem, no wonder budgets skyrocketed

>>715633956
Holy fucking drop-off that's embarrassing

>>715632526 (OP)
It says right in the OP image why though... They finished their games. There's less work load now. What's the implication of this thread?

>>715632526 (OP)
deserved. we dont enjoy games here.

>>715637383
You don't understand project work. MS (or whoever) pays a contractor for X deliverables in Y timeframe. The contractor goes out and hires people to fulfill X in Y time. The checkboxes in X get ticked in Y time. The people the contractor hired are now laid off, because the project is over, the money is paid. The only possible difference is if one of the hirlings gave great head.

This isn't a fucking game studio. It's a support studio. A good one, but just a support studio. Anyone laid off is free to apply to work on whatever soulless remaster the studio has on deck.

>>715643556
>studio rehires immigrants at 1/100 pay rate

>>715632526 (OP)
Wouldn't this mean any future patches are kinda fucked?

>>715648417
>just pay people to do nothing
I'm guessing you aren't a business owner

>>715649050
Did you know? Microsoft bought Bethesda! Patches? Post-launch support? What the fuck is this shit? Subscribe to the zeniMAX(tm) service for community support and pop-ups in the Windows(R) Game Bar(tm)!

>>715632750
You think making a game that sold well will spare you from getting fired? How cute

>>715649758
but that scenario has never actually happened

>>715648298
You shills always use the "not the majority" excuse like no one knows what an anchor stake is. Retards.

>>715633101
Latest patch that's currently being beta tested on steam so expect all platforms by 2029

>>715632526 (OP)
nobody likes DEI

>>715649301
you pay up front for a more capable and less stressed worker that will pay it off in higher quality work and smaller hr quantity/salary (FUCK hrs, death to every single hr) when a project does pop up, with a small chance for that open project to evolve into another profitable venue for your company
and that worker won't go to your competitor, which doesn't really matter when it's some street shitter but does matter when it's an industry veteran that you vetted for years if not decades
and you got a small chance to score a critical hit and have that open project evolve into another product (or part thereof) to sell
or you can hire 5000 indian slaves and then fire them when fiscal year nears its end

>>715638375
If you ever had a job, you'd recognize the value in keeping the same team for multiple projects if they perform well. Troll.

>>715648897
It's not about rehiring. It's about tanking the IPs so they get firesold to China cheaply.

>>715650595
take your money and pay lazy leftist activists, and see how your investments lose money

>>715632750
It's a chinese company, they were given a contract to make the remaster. If they don't get another contract to make another game, they lay people off.

>>715650649
And you know for sure there is another project that they can work on right now?

>>715650746
lazy people get fired. that's why you can't pay even the best workers to do nothing, a bogus job is better than no job, and considering gamedev, like animation and very unlike most other corporate jobs, generally runs on passion, paying them to do what they want is a perfect way to accomplish that. keeps them engaged and focused, and prevents vacation syndrome when they have to spend a month figuring out how to function again after spending a week soaking in the sea and doing actually nothing.

>Chinese Engine (Unreal)
>Chinese company (Literal CCP Government funding it)
>Chinese DEI subversion propaganda paving way to guaranteed success over Westcucked publishers
>Still manages to fuck up
Paper tiger personified. Every possible market advantage and they still manage to fuck themselves over.

>>715632750
Selling well enough doesn't cut it anymore with how much everything costs.

A collapse is coming.

>>715639348
>Read up on Microsoft replacing the whole studio mid-development just to avoid having to pay social security.
Lin plz

>>715639951
>fire people with experience and seniority
>hire interns instead

the amount of polack bootlicking in this thread here is surreal

>>715632526 (OP)
>no more updates

>>715632621
Pickpocketing NPCs before their scripted sequences instantly breaks quests. Not to mention the censorship of women in a franchise with no sexual filter, which shows virtuous are not fans.

Why does /v/ seem to have so many expert businessmen that know how to run a profitable corporation? Do they all run Fortune 500 companies?

>>715651092
>Still manages to fuck up
How? I genuinely will not buy a single westacuck game ever again.