Thread 715658214

>I'm you from the future!
There, now every issue with the DK timeline is fixed.

>>715658214 (OP)
>the game exists to give Pauline a backstory
>...but she already had a back story
>and everyoen felt that the DK games were that back story
>but now those games didn't happen at all?
>DKC games are also now backstory games for DK's origin?

It's now a total mess.

>>715658214 (OP)
based, where does this game sit in the timeline then?

>>715658214 (OP)
Wait so what does that make Wrinkly Kong?
Does that mean Cranky pulled a Philip J. Fry?

>>715659218
This is the game that causes the great banana split

>>715658214 (OP)
I like the idea that there is a group of people out there who are very concerned and invested in the timeline of Donkey Kong.

So have the original arcade Donkey Kong games just been completely retconned out?

Nintendo told us to wait and see.
Something tells me they are hiding something massive in regards to Mini-Pauline.

>>715660001
>Nintendo told us to wait and see.
Oh yes Anon
Multiple people playing the game, beating the final boss, entering the post-game, etc in the span of hours and NONE of them have posted the big secret over mini-Pauline

>>715658214 (OP)
At the end of the day, Nintendo just isn't into continuity. Look at Zelda for example. Their games are like Looney Tunes shorts where it doesn't matter where or when the characters are, as long as something fun comes out of it.

>>715660105
I am saying that Nintendo might reveal something about Mini-Pauline themselves, outside of the game.

>>715660196
Except for the fact the game goes out of it's way to not only mention multiple past events from other games but also directly tie in to Mario odyssey. They're trying to have some form of continuity but so far it's a confusing mess.

>>715660634
Of course, not saying that doesn't stop them from referencing their other games. Just wouldn't be surprised if the placement of this game stays unsolved.

>>715658214 (OP)
>"I was not actually the DK from the first game, that was a dumb videogame joke and you millenials are such idiots you believed it! In my day we didn't even care about stories in videogames!"
There, now every issue with the DK timeline is fixed.

>>715660634
It's only a confusing mess if you keep insisting to clinging to the retarded notion of a meta joke that Rare did years ago. Do you also keep insisting it's canon that Diddy is aware he's a videogame character?

So, is Pauline the Pauline, or Pauline Jr?
Cause shit aint making no sense if it's the Pauline.
And I know Nintendo games barely have continuity to begin with, but why include just enough continuity to make it not make sense?

>>715661212
It's the Pauline, and again, it makes sense the second you give up on "Cranky was the original DK", which never made sense to begin with.

>>715661212
>>715661264
I'm just more confused on how old Diddy and Dixie are

>>715661370
This game's set after the DKC games, so you can assume maybe they were kids originally but by now in the games where they're with Mario they're young adults just like Mario.

>>715661425
And how old is DK?
Funky?

>>715661264
But THE Pauline was in the original Arcade, which is before DK Country, and this game is after DK Country.
And even if we accept that the woman in the original arcade game wasn't this Pauline, she's still the Mayor of New Donk City in Odyessey, which places Odyessey at least ten years after this?
Which pours a tonne of questions on every Mario and DK meeting.
These were questions that never had any reason to exist, and NOW I'm confused, so good job.

>>715658214 (OP)
Did Nintendo pull a Yoshi again with the whole timeline shit?

Guys it's not that complicated;

-Arcade Games first (DK Jr)
-Country games and 64 after
-maybe the Paon stuff too I dunno
-Bananza
-Odyssey

All of the Mario VS Donkey Kong games take place post-Odyssey. Donkey Kong 94 is a retelling of the original game but with crazier shit.

Reminder that the Mario characters are a troupe of actors however Donkey Kong stuff has never been confirmed to fit in that same mold.

Donkey Kong, in its entirety, is a prequel to the greater Mario series

At best the original Yoshi's Island storyline, not the one retold via stage play, probably happened during the Donkey Kong stuff.

The baby characters we see in Mario games are actually probably the actual children of Mario, Peach, Luigi, Daisy etc which erases any paradoxes. Baby Rosalina is the only real unknown but for all we know Rosalina and Waluigi could be a couple of screen.

Wario the lone bastard.

Anyway, Donkey Kong timeline stuff is obvious. Now we have a justification for K. Rool in Super Sluggers. It's also possible the Paon shit takes place after Bananza also.

>>715661553
>But THE Pauline was in the original Arcade, which is before DK Country, and this game is after DK Country.
no it isn't
simple as
the game goes out of its way to make it clear it's before DK Arcade, since Pauline here is younger, and that it's after DKC
DKC is before DK Arcade, simple as

>>715661542
"young adult enough". These characters don't have set ages beyond vague age ranges, most times. They're baby, child, teen, adult, old men. DK and Diddy and so on are adult, Cranky is old man. Pauline is a rare instance of a specific age in this game- 13- and by the time of DK Arcade and then Odyssey, she's "adult". All you need.

>>715661765 this post is also just complicating shit needlessly

If this Pauline is a younger version of adult Pauline then why did the arcade game happen at all? They're friends, why would he kidnap her?

>>715661986
That's just so stupid. Why retroactively make DKC a prequel series?

>>715662063
Mario misunderstood the situation.

>>715662063
Some sort of misunderstanding that maybe they'll explain later, maybe not. Still makes more sense than Cranky aging from adult to not just old but old enough that not even his child but his child's child had time to become an adult too... while Mario stayed the same.

>>715662126
They just felt it made more sense, dunno. Maybe to justify why DK Jr doesn't appear in them, DK hasn't had him yet, though I don't think they care that much about DK Jr. Maybe just to justify why there's so little Mario elements in it- it's now all set before DK met Mario.

Timeline, lore and canon fags need to be fucking killed.

>>715662063
Pauline had a crush on Mario and DK was just helping a friend out by making Mario play the hero

>>715662063
it works way better thematically if DK is making amends for his father kidnapping Pauline, by rescuing Pauline's daughter. Why did they not just do that?
Now I'm wondering if DK kidnapped Pauline at all, and Mario wasn't just being a chud in the first game. And what the hell is Pauline's problem? Why is she screaming to be saved from this character she has a childhood bond with?

>>715662386
>NOOOO CARING ABOUT WORLD BUILDING IS LE BAD BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE IT NOOOO
Nobody is asking you to stay in the thread, nigger.

>>715660634
Oh Lord.

Alright everyone screenshot this if your feeble ADHD ridden minds can't comprehend;

Step 1: Arcade games. Jumpman, Cranky and "Lady" are the characters. DK Jr becomes the DK we know, something we've known for decades. Jr's inclusion in Tennis 64 is likely just the modern Jr, who never got focused on.

Step 2: The Country games and DK64. 64 may as well be DKC4 narratively speaking. K. Rool likely fucked off to dig for the root after his punch out loss.

Step 3.1: I'll admit the only potential confusion is where the Paon shit fits into all this. I'm tempted to say it's no longer canon, but it's hard to say for sure unless we find references to those games in Bananza. The games in question are King of Swing, Jungle Climber and Barrel Blast. I think those games could fit between DKC1-3 and Bananza or could be post-Bananza, hence why I'm slotting it here.

Step 4: Jungle Beat, Returns and Freeze. A significant amount of time must have passed between 64 and Bananza given the state of some of Rool's krew, so these just all fill in that time. Chronological by their original release but nothing explicit, I think the only surefire here is Freeze after Returns.

Step 5: Bananza. Rool is back, which could explain his appearance in Mario Super Sluggers. As an "actor" with the Mario troupe I suppose, which is just the way spin offs work.

Step 6: Mario VS Donkey Kong and everything else, Paon could slot here since Rool and his krew are present in all 3 games. Paon trilogy can only have happened between DKC64 era and JB/Returns or post-Bananza, this is clear cut.

tl;dr Arcade > DKC64 > JB+Returns+Freeze > Bananza > Mario VS Donkey Kong etc

Paon trilogy slots either between DKC64 and JB+R+F or post-Bananza.

>>715662386
Oh look guys, Mr. E has gone mask off.
I think the PS5 fan has been the one arguing that Donkey Kong Bananza is a prequel.

>>715662712
But you're wrong, anon
Even if you want to consider Lady and Pauline separate characters, DK94 is clearly Pauline and it has DK Jr
You're just making a bigger mess by thinking you're fixing it
It goes like this-

1- Yoshi's Island etc. Everyone's born, and so on
2- DKC 1-2-3, the Land games, DK64, possibly the Paon games, whatever. It all happens here, and ignore anything Cranky says that might contradict anything.
3- DK Bananza
4- DK Arcade and the Arcade games and DK94 (which we're not sure is a new adventure or DK Arcade retold) and Wrecking Crew and Mario Bros and so on so on, including Mario vs Donkey Kong.

It's the simplest and cleanest line and the only question it leaves, beyond Cranky which you can just ignore, is where DK Jr ended up at.

>>715663024
Well yeah if you assume Cranky is full of shit, which is believable, and he wasn't the original arcade Donkey Kong... Shit your timeline makes more sense

>>715662712
>>715663024
but where does barrel blast go in the timeline?

>>715663024
So the whole dk series has been a prequel to all the Mario games except yoshis island?

>>715663167
You have to, because it never made sense in-universe. It's a joke about how in real life the technology advanced between the original Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong Country- the old game is now so old hat it's an old man, look at our new cool CGI graphix DK jump in with sunglasses and a boombox while old man DK complains games were better in his day! It works for Rare who enjoy writing their videogame characters as videogame jokes (remember Banjo and Kazooie becoming decrepit old fat fucks in Nuts and Bolts due to lack of games, or Conker hacking the code of the game itself?), but if you want these characters to get to appear more and get to exist in the same setting as Mario and so on, they need to make some semblance of sense internally.

You are technically going to need to retcon SOMETHING, and retconning Cranky is easier than retconning everything else needed to keep Cranky-as-DK. It makes more sense on the Mario side of things and it barely changes anything on the DK side.

Now, you could say "well then I'd rather DKC not be folded into Mario at all!" and I can understand that but anon, then you're just asking for one new appearance of anything DKC every 20 years or so

>>715663312
That seems to be where this game lands, yes. DKC is a prequel leading to this which then leads to DK Arcade which leads to the Mario games.

Wait if donkey Kong hasn't interacted with Pauline ever before why is it called new donk city

>>715660343
they did
they revealed that it's pauline, like they told you, and you refuse to believe like a schizo because apparently your fanfic canon is above nintendo's

>>715663582
you've never interacted with DK either yet you know who he is

>>715663582
Because the city wasn't in-universe named after Donkey Kong the character, it was out-of-universe named after Donkey Kong the game. There's a lot of tongue-in-cheek meta references that the game is kind of expecting the audience to just understand they're meant to chuckle at and not overthink, like the Lanky Kong billboards. It's the same as the namedrops in Odyssey's New Donk City, or things like every Mario character randomly having a chain of businesses according to advertisements in Mario Kart.

>>715663448
Alright I'm convinced now. You clean up the Cranky shit, everything else does kinda fall into place better. AND it explains that Tennis 64 situation. Damn!

>>715663760
cinematic universes have fried people's brains, the ideas of little references just being references is a totally foreign concept to most, shit always MUST have some kind of world building consequences

>>715663448
So we never saw dk jr because he hasn't been born yet? Who is his mother then candy? Or did dk cuck Diddy and that's why diddy didn't try to rescue him in dkjr

>>715658214 (OP)
Any Kong that lives long enough will become Cranky or Wrinkly Kong. That's the Kong life cycle.

>>715663694
>Rareware's canon is now considered fanfic
incredibly grim

>>715663992
>So we never saw dk jr because he hasn't been born yet?
That's the implication but I don't think it's quite what they intended here- I think they'll keep ignoring DK Jr in general, and the main reason they wanted DKC as a prequel was instead to explain why this whole setting exists without any Mario crossover- it's because it's all happening before DK meets Mario.

>>715663854
To be fair to them I think it can be more fun when world details like that do matter, if you could have random billboards of a random character and go "ah that's a model in this world" or random name drops of random companies or so on, it helps expand it. But there's a difference between "it would be nice if it did this" and "it has to be doing this so because it doesn't, I am confused"

>>715664203
I didn't say that retard all I said was pauline is pauline (wow)

>>715660634
>They're trying to have some form of continuity but so far it's a confusing mess.

I said this in another thread, but I think they are intentionally making it a self-contradicting mess, that way they can keep fans guessing and there won't be a specific answer or conclusion that seems more likely, and it gives themselves an out to continue to make retcons without it coming off poorly, because they had already set themselves up in a situation where logical continuity was impossible

They didn't need to have Dixie and Diddy mention past adventures, or have Cranky mention a rival in overalls or have Pauline's age be explicitly 13, and so on. Giving us those details and chronological reference points adds nothing other then to cause conflicts: if they wanted to avoid conflicts, they could have simply opted not to include them.

>>715661108
Banazna has Cranky referencing fighting Mario.

>>715664664
>Banazna has Cranky referencing fighting Mario.
No, it has Cranky referencing having fought a guy in overalls. A joke we, the audience, get, that still does not contradict the writing in-universe.

So then why did Jump Man/Mario fight DK? Is Jump Man really Mario?

>>715665504
Because he saw a monkey kidnap a woman

>>715665504
>So then why did Jump Man/Mario fight DK?
DK kidnapped Pauline/Lady. Why? We thought it was just a King Kong "he like pretty girl" thing but now we know they were friends already, so dunno, maybe it was just a misunderstanding where DK thought he was just getting his friend but Pauline was distressed because it happened as a surprise to her and Mario thought he was evil or something. Maybe they're planning on addressing that in the future, maybe they're just leaving it as something for us to think about as fans.

>Is Jump Man really Mario?
I think they respect Nintendo history too much to ever want to say the game that created Mario didn't actually have Mario in it. That said, I do find it suspicious that Jumpman was a separate character in the movie...

Wait, I'm confused. Did Mickey climb the beanstalk before or after he became the sorcerer's apprentice?

>>715665960
Yes, but that was actually a prequel to the Three Musketeers. Becoming the Sorcerer's Apprentice is something that happens much later on.

>>715658214 (OP)
Please tell me Japan is confused as well

>>715660634
Not confusing.
Arcade stuff is the first generation. Arcade DK is Cranky and is Current DK's grandfather, Arcade DK Jr. is Current DK's father, Arcade Lady is Pauline's grandmother, Arcade Jumpman is Mario's grandfather.

Console games are the next generation. Current DK has two eras: as a teenager (although obviously older than Pauline, let's say he's around 18), that's when the DKC games happen (DKC1-3, DK64, DKCR, Tropical Freeze and Bananza). Later, he has a child (Current DK Jr.) and that's when the Mario series stuff happens (chronologically starting with GB Donkey Kong, where he kidnaps Pauline with DK Jr.'s help and gets beaten by Mario).

There are four DKs:
- Arcade DK, who's now Cranky Kong, who fought Jumpman.
- Arcade DK Jr., who fought Jumpman.
- Current DK, who's "the" DK. He's the same character in Yoshi's Island DS (where we see he's about Mario's age), the DK series games (at which point Pauline's only 13, so this happens maybe 7-10 years before the Mario series), and the Mario series games (where he interacts with adult Pauline several times, and where he's got a son).
- Current DK Jr., who appears in GB Donkey Kong, Super Mario Kart and Mario Tennis 64.

This ties up loose ends such as why Tiny Kong is a child in DK64 but significantly grown in DK Barrel Blast and Mario Super Sluggers; how Cranky can be DK's grandfather while Mario hasn't aged since fighting the former; and why we see DK Jr. with DK in Mario Tennis 64 even though it had already been established that the original DK was Cranky.
As for further indication that this is the intended understanding, we know in Mario Odyssey that the events of Arcade Donkey Kong were foundational to the establishment of New Donk City, but also that Pauline got captured by Donkey Kong before and Mario rescued her (she even calls it a traumatic event). With NDC appearing in Bananza, Pauline mentioning her grandmother and Pauline being a child, this is the only possible order of events.

Donkey Kongs have been fighting Marios and kidnapping Paulines for generations. Those three figures just keep repeating since time immemorial, like Blackadder.
Juniors are juvenile Donkeys. Crankys are old Donkeys. They all go through the same lifecycle.

It's like with Zelda. The timeline only matters if the writers for the current game think it does. What matters is right now. Later devs/writers are free to ignore to ignore or alter the timeline as they please.

Somehow, I can't imagine that when they're making a Zelda game and someone comes up with a cool idea, someone's gonna show up and go "No, that contradicts the timeline". If the idea's good or useful enough, they'll let it be used regardless of how it fits.

>>715666070
>>715665960
According to kingdom hearts he was yensids apprentice and then went to the country of musketeers while training as a key kade wielder

>>715666484
Well lmao you cleaned up my original timeline from earlier, wow

This is the one Cranky is actually who he says he is. Man...

What if there are multiple Cranky Kongs? There are multiple Donkey Kongs, so there might as well be. That would also fix the inconsistency.

>>715667703
Every donkey grows to become a cranky

Basically, I believe the only reason why people are confused is because Cranky references his old backstory in the same game where that backstory is rendered non-canon. While I'm not going to pretend that the decision to retcon the Koopaling's relation to Bowser was a universally agreed upon decision, nobody was confused by it because after that point Nintendo never referred to them as Bowser's offspring.

>>715663556
Makes the most sense to me, and apparently, she does mention her grandmom at some point.

>>715670170
Nintendo wouldn't have included the line if it wasn't meant to be meaningful, even if that meaning is just meant to be something to intentionally muddy the waters as I argue in >>715664664

>>715670170
What if it is a retcon but Cranky is such a cranky old stooge he refuses to abide by said retcon

>>715670170
Is it in the Japanese script?

>>715667946
Exactly

>>715660634
Why did they redesign Dixie and Diddy to have separated eyes if they were just going to keep using the stylized "line blink" approach for their eyelids anyway?

>>715658214 (OP)
just make him the grandpa, who was responsible fot kidnapping lady (paulines grandma)

>>715672282
I've genuinely no idea, most of these choices make sense to me but Diddy and Dixie's redesign is absolutely nonsense to me

>>715661553
The original arcade game was just Popeye, Bluto and Olive Oil being replaced at the last second by Jump Man, Donkey Kong and Pauline.

>>715658214 (OP)
Nintendo has said for literal decades that they treat these characters like actors. Why are you all so autistic?

>>715662386
Spotted the Dragon Ball autist

>>715673604
>She fell for the actor meme

If they made this DK, a grown up DK Jr. It would make some sense because they both have a dopey grin.

Reminder all the continuity confusion can all be traced by to Ian Flynn's meddling with the wiki and encyclopedia.

>>715675117
but he wasn't the one fucking up with the encyclopedia, and he never meddled with the wiki
I get the memery but it's zack davisson who should be getting your ire here

>>715658214 (OP)
You should have learned from Mario Galaxy that Miyamoto hates stories being attached to his characters. If it's anything even remotely complex he throws a fit.

>>715659808
>So have the original arcade Donkey Kong games just been completely retconned out?

Apparently yes? Whack.

>>715659808
>>715675519
No, people are just being autists
Those games have happened, and always happened, and are just re-established to happen as they always were meant to- starring Donkey Kong, not this random Rare old man OC.

>>715658214 (OP)
>donkey kong fucked his own grandma

>>715672282
>>715672930
What makes things even weirder is that even on the merch with DK's new design, Diddy/Dixie still have their old designs
I'm like 99% sure it was just done because of the movie

>>715675658
do these games take place before or after odessy?

When does any of this take place? The DKC games are now apparently prequels set decades before the main Mario games? What?

>>715675762
That's why the other Kongs can talk, but Donkey Kong cannot.

>>715663556
>>715670404
Ending with Pauline has her singing on the street corner, which implies she sticks around her city and is slowly building up her popularity. This is what you'd do if you're running for mayor.

>>715675836
They are very inconsistent with the design.
that's still the DK Rare design. Just Shigahesa's personal style of drawing it. You can tell by the seperated wider eyes, brow shape, connected ear, singular hair tuft

>>715659646
Hyle Russel since 1997

>>715663024
DK Jr died on the way to his home planet along with Kiddy Kong.

>>715676642
Kiddy Kong died after the end of 3 because of shaken baby syndrome, Dixie threw him too many times. tragic

>>715659646
>>715676373
They admit its dumb fun but I'm looking forward to their inevitable lore video
I mean it kind of helps the Donkey Kong arcade series is outside of the DKU by their rules

>>715676736
Honestly that does make the most sense.

>>715663024
Ok but what about the DK Arcade cabinet in DK64.

>>715676889
fanfiction created by K.rool depicting his rival getting cucked by an Italian

So what does Bananza actually reveal?

>>715677607
bananza is actually the kong wars

>>715676889
what about the fact that if you press pause a bunch of words appear? do the characters see those words?

>>715658214 (OP)
What happened to his gains?

>>715677736
you are not required to pause the game to beat it, but you do need to beat DK arcade to beat DK64.

>>715676189
Or she's just showing off for fun.

>>715675865
>Yoshi's Island and related games happen, everyone's born.
>Probably a decade and a half later Donkey Kong Country games by Rare happen, DK fights the Kremlings. This includes 64 and probably the Paon ones.
>Donkey Kong Country games by Retro happen after. The Kremlings are mysteriously absent.
>Donkey Kong Bananza happens. Pauline is 13 and it turns out the Kremlings were absent because they were trapped in the center of the planet. Pauline accidentally rescues them.
>Years later DK Arcade happens, DK for some reason kidnaps Lady or Pauline who has grown up meanwhile, depends on whether they feel like re-establishing this game as being the same event as DK94 or not. Mario rescues her. The original version seemed to just be that DK was crushing on Pauline, but now that we have this backstory, might just be something Mario misunderstood.
>DK Jr and DK III happen after that, DK had a child at some point. Meanwhile Wrecking Crew, Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros, etc etc etc. Eventually Odyssey, by which point Pauline has become mayor.

If you want to be really autistic about it despite there not being established years for most of it, we can deduce some- DK seems grown up enough in the DKC games so they're probably happening when he's like 14 to 16, he's probably 17 or 18 in Bananza while Pauline is 13, DK Arcade is probably when Pauline is like 18 and Mario is like 20 and DK is like 23, Odyssey is probably a few years later and Pauline's like 24 and Mario's around 26 and DK's like 29. I made up most of these numbers, just trying to help people understand things here. Diddy was like 10 in DKC and would be about 20 in the current day, etc.

>>715676075
But cranky can and in this scenario he's future dk
Or is this a lars situation

>>715676889
DK64 is a video game in-universe like all of the Rare games. So it's a video game inside of a video game.

>>715666484
I think you might've cracked it. Jolly good show, anon!

>>715666484
>>715679729

Recontextualizing DK94 as a sequel with Pauline and a Current DK Jr. instead of Lady/Pauline's Grandma and Arcade DK/Cranky is also a huge stroke of genius

>Post game will clear this up
>DLC will clear this up
>A sequel will clear this up
>Nintendo's off hand comments will clear this up
Which flavor of copium are you guys huffing?

>>715666484
>Arcade stuff is the first generation. Arcade DK is Cranky and is Current DK's grandfather, Arcade DK Jr. is Current DK's father, Arcade Lady is Pauline's grandmother, Arcade Jumpman is Mario's grandfather.

We haven't seen any of this supposed first gen OTHER than Cranky. No Mario dad or grandpa and no Pauline's family.

>>715680606
We know Pauline has a grandma and the donk from new donk city has to come from somewhere

>>715681130
yes it comes from the real life game donkey kong, what it was clearly named for
how are people so bad at navigating layers of narrative

>>715681934
Ok but why did they name it that in universe

>>715682405
Presumably because it was named after the Duke of Donk, I don't know

>>715660634
I will always feel separating their cartoony unieyes was the most useless and banal change ever made.
For sonic worked fine, the same for Diddy and Dixie.

>>715659646
I was there for the years-long toothy grin seething on dkvine bro

In regards to DK Jr being in shit like Tennis alongside modern DK, Yoshi’s New Island showed that time travel is something that exists and anyone can get access to, probably either through E. Gadd science or through literal magic. So any instance of younger/baby characters appearing alongside their older counterparts can easily be explained as them being sent to the future to participate.
As to why children are getting sent to the future to drive cars and play sports, it’s fucking Mario it ain’t that deep.

>>715662063
>>715665820
>maybe it was just a misunderstanding where DK thought he was just getting his friend but Pauline was distressed because it happened as a surprise to her and Mario thought he was evil or something
I came to this same conclusion as well. Maybe DK came back to visit Pauline but saw Mario with her and so became overprotective of Pauline. Mario of course didn't know what was going on and just thought DK was some crazed ape kidnapping his girlfriend.

>>715683901
Apparently Pauline didn’t communicate DK not being a hostile to Mario for a while considering he traps DK in a cage and parades him around in a circus for a little bit until Jr. frees him.

>>715662063
because DK was a diddy blud

>>715663024
Cranky Kong IS the original Donkey Kong, but he never battled Mario. He battled the original Mario, the man in overalls (cited by Cranky in Bananza), Jumpman. The details of this clash have yet to be explored. Donkey Kong Jr. isn't born yet as he is now likely the son of Donkey Kong and Candy Kong. Donkey Kong eventually kidnaps Pauline for some unexplained reason, in New Donk City, and battles Mario in Donkey Kong arcade. This is where the two meet and begin their rivalry that continues into Mario vs Donkey Kong. Personally, idgaf about the inevitable retelling of the Donkey Kong arcade trilogy. I want to throw feces over something far more trivial.

I want to tell other anons to kill themselves over Cranky Kong and Jumpman's power levels

>>715675117
>Ian flynn hate boner autists even invade Nintendo threads.
Please you have a shitty sonic general for that, stay there.

donkey kong can't have a timeline

>>715660634
>>715661264
Actually..just a thought I had.
What if the retcon is Pauline's "being captured by an ape" comment from Odyssey is referring to Void Co. capturing her as a little girl? It would explain why New Donk City even has DKC references because she actually got to meet those characters during her adventures with DK in Bananza. Plus knowing this game was originally a Switch 1 title after Odyssey came out feels like there's intent for a lot of prequel undertones here.

>>715685183
Why does time not move linearly in the Mario universe?

>>715661108
this but for bananza's lore in a few years

>>715685183
To bad. Nintendo screw over the Zelda Timeline so badly, the autistic fans are taking over the Mario (and by extention) the DK timeline. It's equals part spite, equals part copium, as we need something to invest our autistic needs.

>He ended on a bit of a tease: “Now as to why 13-year-old in particular was the choice, I think that's something that we want players to, in the course of enjoying the game, start to puzzle out, think for themselves.”
>Okay, fine, it was admittedly a bit of a joke question. But here’s a real one: does this mean there’s an official Donkey Kong series canon timeline? Is this a Super Mario Odyssey prequel?
>“Certainly because a lot of team members also worked on Super Mario Odyssey, there are some similarities in terms of how they think about the setting of the characters for both games, but it's something we really can't explain all of for now because we need to leave something for people to consider as they're playing the game,” Takahashi cryptically replied.

https://www.ign.com/articles/nintendo-wont-say-why-donkey-kong-bananzas-pauline-is-13-years-old-specifically-wants-players-to-puzzle-out-the-answer-themselves

Has no one found the descriptions for the Kremling layer fossils yet? I imagine they should make things pretty clear. All of the other fossils name drop the actual character name in them so surely if the Arcade DK fossil has "cranky" somewhere in it, that'd clear things up. Pauline's items might also help

>>715689338
>think for themselves
okay. So Pauline being 13 was a ploy by the developers to force discussion of this game. I can't really be angry since it did work.

So Cranky Kong (probably named "King Donk" at the time) fought Jumpman in 1933. Who won that fight, and who was the original damsel?

>>715690645
>Who really died that day? And who came back?

When's the Nintendoverse going to have a Crisis On Infinite Earths reset?

>>715658642
Pauline is young in the latest game
The original DK still works, DK did nuffing wrong he was just defending Pauline from the rapist Jumpman

>>715691883
It already did
You just didn't notice

>>715658214 (OP)
Why do you guys do this shit? It's obvious Mario games run on fantasy and mythological rules. The adventures don't have to fit into some kind of coherent timeline. Mapping out the zelda timeline was clearly a mistake.

>>715692336
The devs themselves WANT us to think about it

>>715692392
No they don't, Nintendo couldn't give a shit about plot in videogames and they tell you that any time they can in interviews

>>715692451
look like 6 posts above you

>>715666484
I feel like the ideal theory would keep Jumpman and Mario as the same person, Cranky as the original DK and Pauline as "Lady". Any time people say something like "oh Pauline is Lady's daughter/granddaughter" it feels outright wrong, Pauline's WHOLE character is being THE girl DK Kidnapped, saying she is someone else makes Pauline a whole different new character. I do have to admit that Nintendo might be retconning that tho, the whole "I got kidnapped by an ape" thing could just be recontextualized as Void Kong being the kidnapper. Still, would make all the call-backs to the arcade game meaningless...

As far as I am concerned these 3 points have to be true. Cranky has to kidnap a girl called Pauline, Pauline has to grow into the major of New Donk City to Odyssey, all of this has to happen in that order. My best guess is that Void.Co did indeed de-age Pauline, that's why we see her on the street not going to any family, more so, I believe that's great part of the reason she doesn't wear any shoes, her previous shoes are too big for her, just like all the clothes she wears. That would also explain why she is so terrified of DK when they first meet (tho I guess she met Void before so I could be wrong). Pauline, now as a kid, realizes she has been given a second chance to pursue her dream of being a singer. This would also explain why her and Mario are no longer together.

>>715689531
Imagine if by tomorrow someone finally 100% it and there's a cutscene that clarifies everything

>>715689338
Hopefully there's a bit more info that hasn't been found yet because I don't see why they are so cryptic

>>715664664
>Banazna has Cranky referencing fighting Mario.
Is that line in the final?

>>715693569
Cranky says his rival was simply a man in overalls. Mario is way too young to be him. This clash had to have been decades before Mario and Donkey Kong were born.

1933 checks out

>>715694570
So it's in the final release?

>>715693569
>>715694665
Yes

https://youtu.be/z-EMFpNnrFE?feature=shared&t=838

Before waluigi.

Why 1933?

>>715695893
Obvious reference to King Kong

>>715694570
Jumpman =/= Mario confirmed.

>>715662063
man at this point just make arcade DK a seperate character who's an imposter

>monkeys saying they think DK will be a big deal one day
>he's already experienced the dkc trilogy and 64 though, maybe the retro studio duology as well

>>715662386
Timeline and lore speculation can be fun (until the developers make it official or officially deconfirm interesting fan theories.) But the way Zelda and DKfags cling to this shit when it's so obvious Nintendo doesn't care is just pathetic, I agree. I mean, if you played TotK and still think Zelda has an official timeline being carefully planned by Nintendo, you are just a retard.

>>715658214 (OP)
Except jr.

Who fucking care. The game is great but no one cares about your gay lore head canon.

>>715684385
The explanation for this scene is that Donkey Kong is a flamboyant homosexual now, and his heart eyes aren't an expression of sexual attraction, its "OMG slay queen"

Nintendo doesn't want you to make sense of it. Should have been clear with TOTK they're over timeline autism

>>715658214 (OP)
>DK timeline

>>715703093
defacto Mario timeline.

Lady is Pauline's grandmother. There, now it makes sense

>>715706131
But is Mayor Pauline Lady's daughter and Bananza Pauline's mother?

>>715706131
>Oyee, whawt a daeyy. Chasin' behrrel-thraowin' munkees and dawdgin' livin' foirbawls awl just ta save da priddy LAAAY-DEEE

>haha what a silly thread
>click it
>read >>715662712