Sorry Anon, but because you turned up so late, the only starter pokemon we have left is chikorita. Now take it and get out of here.

Chikorita would be the best grass starter if it wasn't in a region that hates grass and yes I'm just quoting Werster.

>>715668984 (OP)
sex

they could've at least gave it leech seed as a level-up move

>>715668984 (OP)
thanks, I would have picked it anyway

>>715669267
>12.5% of being female

Thank you! Exactly the starter I wanted

>>715668984 (OP)
Perfect for a salad

>>715669263
I'm usually with werster but that's a retarded take. Doesn't stop me from loving these guys of course.

>>715668984 (OP)
when I was 11 there was a fanfiction I used to masturbate to about Ash fucking Bayleef. Easily took about a gallon of my prepubescent juice.
Anyways cool thread OP, I'd prefer totodile or something but I'll just get a Krabby as a water type instead and just box Chikorita when I get an exeggcute

>>715668984 (OP)
I don't remember having any trouble picking them as my starter. Did it on a whim. Game's not that difficult.

Not like the other gen 2 options were that much better tbqh

>>715670390

>>715669263
Can't Meganium learn Earthquake in g/s?

>>715669267
>>715669569
These

>>715670807
yes, actually. But you only get one copy and pretty late game iirc.

>>715670807
With a TM though it's better to put that on an actual ground type.

>>715669263
not even remotely close to being as good as cyndaquil especially when it eventually gets access to the punches. This is without even mentioning the other, better grass types available

>>715668984 (OP)
Okay, great. I'll use it to set up screens and breeze through my adventure. Thanks, Elm!

>>715671393
Both Totodile and Cyndaquil are equally powerful options because both have great movesets and manage well against foes presented. Chikorita gets Razor Leaf at level 6, that's the best part and makes Chikorita good for everything before the first gym. But the other two are still much better for the first four gyms and Chikorita's early game advantage is sorta null.

>>715668984 (OP)
slutty whore of a pear

>>715668984 (OP)
Hmmm... Chick-orita.

>>715668984 (OP)
Perfect

>>715672615
What a fuck.

>>715668984 (OP)
I'm good professor. I'm going home. Box me the starter I want when you get more stock

It's way easier to work with than people say unless you're speed running or doing a solo challenge, but I'm not going to pretend how much less useful it is than Bulbasaur line was in Red and Blue. Grass type starter is definitely hard mode in GSC.

Chikorita would be the best starter outside of battling. Helping your garden grow, keeping your herbs and veggies fresh, making the whole house smell good. It acts pretty dog-like in the anime too. Perfect pet.

>>715673219
This, Chikorita is also my favourite starter and I always fantasized about her using her magical plant perfumes to calm me after a really sad day.

>>715671393
>better grass types available
Let's look at them the best grass types in GSC
>"B-But I play HGSS"
It doesn't matter what you use in HGSS. I'm not saying GSC is hard, but HGSS pretty much plays itself.
>Victreebel
Strong offensively as it can learn both sludge bomb and sleep powder, but obtaining the leaf stone is difficult. You could very well make it all the way to the finite location in Kanto before Picnicker Gina manages to find one for you.
>Vileplume and Bellossom
Another leaf stone evolution with sleep powder, but it's is inferior to both Victreebel and Meganium for multiple reasons. First, its stats are worse. Second, it has to breed for a grass move not named absorb until it finally learns solarbeam in the 40s. Bellossom is easier to obtain using a sun stone, but it still has the same movepool issues.
>Exeggcute
If you get lucky and obtain a leaf stone, it's one of the best psychic types in the game. Grass? Lol. Exeggcute doesn't learn any grass moves until solarbeam It has to breed for mega drain
>Tangela
Tangela fucking sucks in GSC. It's obtained late and learns no good moves unless you teach it solarbeam.
>Parassect
lol
>Jumpluff
It's a pain in the ass to train as its first two moves aren't even attacks, it deals fuck-all for damage, and it's damn near weak to everything. This thing is for fighting people, not computers.
>Sunflora
Easy to obtain, but it has low stats and you need to do some extra work to make it good. You need to breed two Sunkerns for a new one and evolve it immediately so it can learn razor leaf at level 10. THIS IS REQUIRED TO BREED RAZOR LEAF ONTO THE ODDISH LINE.
>Meganium
Bulky as shit, razor leaf carries it for all of Johto, and it learns great moves like screens, synthesis, and body slam.
>Venusaur
Put the time capsule away, Bill
>Celebi
Put the GS ball away, Kurt

Meganium requires no setup. Exeggutor is the best in the postgame. Victreebel is great if you get lucky and Gina finds a leaf stone.

>>715672615
Would this be vegan?

>>715672517
Imagine getting raped by this.

>>715674572
I never understood why evo stones became ultra rare in GSC when you can buy bajillions of them in RBY.

>>715668984 (OP)
I love how she acts in the anime, especially in the Christmas special Stantler’s Little Helpers.

>>715675520
Why did you delete this? It's completely innocuous.

>>715668984 (OP)
I'm a Rape Chad. I'm raising my Cyndaquil to a Typhlosion so we can rape bitches and make them eat all the berries.

>>715675329
so you evolve eevee into the new evos

>>715674838
I will not do that.

>>715674572
>THIS IS REQUIRED TO BREED RAZOR LEAF ONTO THE ODDISH LINE.
You can do the same with Synthesis and Razor Leaf from Chikorita, at around the levels you should be at by Goldenrod, low 20s

>>715674572
>>Celebi
>Put the GS ball away, Kurt
You can actually get that legit if you got Crystal on 3DS back when the store was up

>>715668984 (OP)
Chikorita is one of my favorite starters, I never understood the hate

Onahole haken!

>>715669263
Nah, I played G/S recently and did Chikorita and I had trouble finding something for them to do and it wasn't just hostility towards grass types. Their movepool is kind of lackluster and the best I could come up with was Sunny Day+Solar Beam+Synthesis+Body Slam. Screens could work too. It's just too well rounded and has no specific niche except generally defensive.

>>715678403
its weak and too vulnerable

>>715678403
Loses to gym 1, 2, 4, 6, 8, Team Rocket, and mid on 3, 5, and 7 (ice but lots of water and ground types). Underwhelming on E4 1 and 4, bad on 2, and actually pretty alright on Bruno. Finally.

>>715671223
Aw shit I forgot u can't buy more EQ TMs in GS

I cheated by transferring pokemon to Stadium/Stadium2 to get several with EQ.

>>715668984 (OP)
I get to have my own loving wife? Sweet!

>>715679086
You know what? Fair. Limited TMs are dumb anyway.

Someone chose the pig already?

>>715678552
>>715678973
>said its one of my favorites
>replies jump straight to its gameplay performance
I'm starting to see now...

>>715669263
Grass starters are in a weird place where Bulbasaur ends up being amazing in Gen 1, and most grass starters after are the worst out of the trip for in-game. Meganium, Sceptile, and Serperior just don't have what it takes to beat out the other two, and even Torterra is still challenged by having multiple weaknesses. Putting Meganium in later gens doesn't help it. Gen 1 is the only one it makes sense because it gets early razor leaf which would give it a consistent critting move and access to body slam and earthquake.

>>715679410
I mean you can like the Pokemon visually, but it is a bit on the weaker side. Pokemon's not a hard enough game that you need to worry about it too much but it always does suck when you WANT to use it but the area you have just hard counters it.

>>715668984 (OP)
Uhhh, how long until you get another Totodile?

>>715679410
its cute dont get me wrong. but when choosing it for making my battles easier, i just didn't pick it

>>715679410
>Why do people dislike using this one?
>>Gets reasons why
>Nah, I like it anyway.
I mean, based, but cringe at the same time

>>715679410
People who play these games nowadays are overly obsessed with optimization, they wouldn't be caught dead using a monster that requires a bit of thinking to make work. I blame the newer games in which every starter is piss easy to use.

>>715679542
You're forgetting that because Bulbasaur is Poison type it doesn't get torn up by Poison Sting like everyone else trying to fight 30 weedles

>>715674572
I thought Exeggutor in Gen 2 kinda sucked. You don't get Psychic until Kanto, Confusion is your only special move, if you evolve it at level 19 you only get Stomp and Egg Bomb as leveling moves. Exeggcute doesn't even learn a grass move until SolarBeam.

Try using a Noctowl.
You will learn to LOVE the physical/special split

>>715679792
Early game it has it rougher, but it also has access to swords dance and a lower base speed means it has a smaller chance to crit negating the buff.

>>715668984 (OP)

>>715679542
You know now that you mention it Serperior does kind of suffer almost the exact same problems. Generally defensive, not great offenses. Not like you can pull Contrary Leafstorm shenanigans in game. At least it gets Leech Seed.

>>715679764
It comes down to subjectiveness. Anon likes Chikorita because he likes it. We can't really change his mind on that. Stats and movepools are something we can objectively argue on.

I mean, I like the Nuzlocke idea where Pokemon you wouldn't normally use get used because that's all you have access to. I kinda got that feeling out of Pokemon Reborn too. And because of those I warmed up to a lot of mons I wouldn't give a second glance to before.

>>715679410
I don't even get how the gameplay side justifies bashing on chikorita desu

Charmander is one of, if not the most popular starters in the entire series. And its pretty dog shit until at least the 3rd gym. But chikorita has a similar rough stretch at the start of johto and it can just go fuck itself apparently

>Mono grass
Bad
>Grass + ___
Good

What second type should Chiki be?

>>715680118
lots of fanhacks I've played make it grass/fairy and that's pretty cool desu

>>715679892
I've been playing a Polished Crystal which makes Noctowl Flying/Ghost and expands its move pool and it's still kind of ass.

>>715669263
grass typed moves were pretty weak in the earlier generations. Getting razorleaf early was nice, but there wasn't a 95ATK 100 Accuracy move in the late game unlike water & fire.

>>715679978
Baldorita

>>715668984 (OP)
That’s a bad thing? I am seriously considering picking her up in the upcoming ZA

>>715682827
Who knows they might get a busted mega evolution.

>>715683003
This is the big one
Now maybe they will fuck em up completely and give then no mega nor regional form. This is GameFuck never underestimate their capacity of under delivering

>>715679978
potato wife

zoomers minmaxxing in pokemon games is so funny
niggers literally use guides to look up where all the best monsters and items are before they play it then will turn around and complain the game is too easy for them

>>715683259

Alright anons, who is your shitmon bro you always kept no matter what?

>>715668984 (OP)
No problem, I like using it as much as the other two. In fact I've done several playthroughs of Crystal and HGSS using all three Starters and Chikorita is a good Grass and support mon with Reflect and powders.

>>715680034
Coil boosts Serperior's Attack and Defense as well as accuracy, and Leaf Blade got buffed to 90 power in Gen 5, so an attacking Serperior is very viable. Leech Seed and Synthesis can keep it healthy through taking physical hits.

>>715678273
>pick Chikorita only to replace it with a worse grass type
Why on earth would you do that?

wait do you guys not clone your TMs in gsc

>>715685980
This isn't Emerald. Duping is normally a bitch to perform in Pokemon.

>>715683478
Jumpluff is kind of surprising in its ability to solo certain Pokemon with a tiny bit of luck. Sleep powder, leech seed, headbutt spam can sometimes shut down specific opponents, and even if it can't, sleep powder and leech seed still makes certain fights far easier. It's not great, but I had a couple that secured clutch wins, especially on a grass only playthrough.

>>715668984 (OP)
Thanks faggot. It's the one I wanted anyway.

>>715686031
Clone glitch in GS was easy.

>>715686548
It's marginally harder in Crystal version. Still possible, but the timing is quite a bit tighter than in Gold and Silver.

>>715678973
>gym 1, 2, 4, 6, 8, Team Rocket
Huh, I can see having trouble on gym1 Charmander but oddly I never noticed anything off Chikorita, e4 aside. I mean, who cares about types gym 1 is a fucking Pidgey cmon. Come to think of it, I use Pidgeys too.

>>715679802
Let's talk about Exeggutor in depth as it's one of the more overlooked pokemon in the game in favor of the easily obtainable Bellsprout.

Evolve Exeggcute when it learns sleep powder right before the E4. Use the solarbeam TM you just found because, let's be real here, what else are you going to use it on? There's no chlorophyll in this game and Exeggutor is the strongest grass type in game while being backed up by sleep powder. Its special attack stat is so high that even confusion hits hard. The postgame obviously makes it even stronger with psychic and giga drain. It'll rip Red and the Battle Tower apart.

However, the endgame is not the whole game. Exeggutor's main problem is the Exeggcute stage of the game. From Ilex Forest to level 37, it has low stats, one attacking move, and an inaccurate hypnosis that's going to crack those fragile eggs. Even if you wish to stick with hypnosis and evolve Exeggcute early, the mon still lives and dies off Gina's RNG. Now, if she DOES manage to find one, there is very little that can stop a Kadabra that trades coverage and speed for sleep and bulk.

>>715679764
The point of starters is not having to struggle hard to make them work. And people have always gravitated to the ones that work best. As someone has already shown, while it is disadvantaged compared to its fellow starters, Chikorita is a solid Grass Pokémon to use.

>>715668984 (OP)
I would in a heartbeat if I could.

>>715668984 (OP)
No thanks, I want to eventually get taped by a typhlosion

>>715679764
Yeah sure retard and i'm certain you use Unown in all of your playthroughs.

>>715668984 (OP)
No thanks, I want to eventually get raped by a typhlosion

>>715668984 (OP)
Why the fuck did they have Ash's Chikorita have a crush on Ash in the anime?

>>715669609
Is eating grass types technically vegan?

>>715668984 (OP)
I refuse to believe you don't have a Tepig in back, cough it up nerd!

>>715687909
Why was Ash getting kissed by a disguised Latias?
The world may never just know.

>>715674787
Considering they pretend plants are like an element rather then a living thing, I'm sure they'll convince themselves it's fine.

>>715668984 (OP)
chikorita is cute as hell, I love her

>>715678973
the game is trivial to beat, why would any of this matter

I genuinely don't know who to pick
I don't wanna Choose Toto because I always go Toto in every other game
I don't wanna go Pig because I already did Pig in W2
And I just do not care about Meganium, Chiko and Bey are cool though

>>715669263
No
Absolutely not.
It IS true Chikorita isn't the WORST starter in a vacuum, but it's not the best grass starter by a mile.
Snivy is the worst in a vacuum, Treecko is also probably worse. But, that's kinda it.
Rowlet kinda sucks, but has actual moves, and there's a floor on how bad a ghost type can actually be.
Sprigatito is probably the best, disgusting though it may be.
There's no shot any of the other starters of the other types are worse. Even the worst water starters, Oshawott (zero identifying qualities, as generic water type as it gets) or Froakie (Ass moves, and Greninja has fucking noodle arms when not backed by Protean or Battle Bond), or worst Fire, Cyndaquil (Gets Flame Wheel early, then gets nothing else) or Torchic (Very rough start, bad moves, relies heavily on Speed Boost, all of Blaziken's good moves are egg/tutor) blow Chikorita out of the water.
Chikorita's strengths are stupidly early Razor Leaf, reasonably early Petal Blizzard in hypothetical later gens, and being surprisingly receptive to TMs for a grass type. It's decent at support, which sucks in a playthrough, but it CAN do that.
Compare Snivy which gets, well, nothing, without access to Hidden Abilities, or Treecko which has the single most dogshit movepool of any starter in the franchise, and now can barely even use the "okay" moves it gets later on.

>>715688819
>Compare Snivy which gets, well, nothing
Leaf Blade, Aerial Ace, Leech Seed, and Coil work fine for me in BW.

>>715688926
I rest my case upon seeing that moveset.
It gets nothing.

Zoroark

>>715678973
>6
Walls the Magnemites' thunderbolts with a bulky resist and synthesis. Chips at their low spdef with razof leaf. Sets up reflect and 1v1s Steelix.
>7
All three of Pryce's pokemon are weak to grass, and all three of them are solo'd by a Meganium with synthesis
>TR
Meganium with body slam and reflect beats everything except for Archer's Houndoom, especially in gen 2 where poison moves suck on NPCs.
>8
Only one Dragonair has ice beam. The rest fall to body slam and synthesis
>Will
Almost every mon struggles against Will, even if you teach light screen. This is admittedly where Typhlosion is at its best since the Slowbro has no water moves.
>Koga
Fair, but Koga loses to pretty much everything else
>Bruno
You know the drill. Reflect and tank
>Karen
Beats everything except Houndoom and Gengar, but those are the two relevant mons on her team. Fair.
>Lance
Half his team loses to reflect + body slam or razor leaf. Blizzard and fire blast Dragonites are pp stalled by synthesis, especially if you're a potion spamming faggot that taught it light screen over synthesis. Okay, it loses to Charizard unlike the other two starters, fair.

Meganium's disadvantaged sections in the second half of the game aren't nearly as bad as people make them out to be. The first four gyms leaders are the hardest fights in the game, and all three starters struggle with Whitney and Morty anyway.

BONUS ROUND
>link battles Not to be confused with Smogon 6v6
It sponges Raikou, Suicune, and earthquake while threatening a lot of mons with body slam. It's definitely the best starter of the three against other people, but they all eat shit to Snorlax.

>>715668984 (OP)
Fine! I'll take it...baka! But you can't make me use it!

>>715688707
Do the Chad move and toss your starter in the PC after getting a Dunsparce.

>>715688819
Oshawott is quite good. It learns aqua jet to hit faster mons and can be taught megahorn when it evolves into Samurott. The cool thing about Samurott is its build variety. You can run physical, special, or mixed thanks to large movepool. It's so much more than the usual "Teach it surf + ice beam and call it a day" plan when using most water types.

>>715689370
This points out the other problem.
Look how often terms like chip, tank, and pp stall are coming up.
Meanwhile, if you just used fukkin, Typhlosion, they're just dead. Or Gatr/Gyarados. Heaven forbid Kadabra.
If you're stalling the AI, the only person you're defeating is yourself.

>"NOOOOOOOOO, YOU HAVE TO OHKO THE ENTIRE GAME! YOU CAN'T SIT THERE AND WALL EVERYTHING!"
Haha, Mark Henry dinosaur go stall

>>715690062
>It learns aqua jet to hit faster mons
Taking one hit then killing them, isn't really that much worse than hitting them, taking a hit, then killing them, unless it's fast with sturdy. I don't think that exists.
Megahorn's... eh?
Like, it's not nothing, and bad as Bug usually is, gen 5 IS when it's nice to have, what with both a psychic and dark e4, and probably needing a Hydreigon dead somewhere near the end one way or the other. Maybe it's better than Blastoise, who's fighting with Greninja at the bottom instead. I'd say Feraligatr is down there, but gen 4 feraligatr is kind of good. Gen 2 Feraligatr is piss, but he was blessed by the physical/special split like few others. Except Gyarados. Gyarados haunts Feraligatr's nightmares.

But, like, that's all why regardless of who's actually at the bottom of the water starters, they're still, to a mon, better than every single grass starter bar maybe the weedcat. And the weedcat is "okay" with effectively gen 1 razor leaf, which is kinda embarrassing. Give gen 1 razor leaf, but Fire, to. I dunno. Typhlosion, and the game is over the moment it gets it. Give it, but water to Greninja, and I think Greninja jumps up to just under Swampert for the best starter of all time, because now Greninja kills everything AND goes first.

My mom imported JP Gold for me because she knew how much I loved Pokemon and all the websites localized Bayleef as Berryfu which kinda makes sense given his plantness

>>715690409
I mean, if it brings you joy, more power to you.
Personally, I find it demoralizing to have to spend more of my time beating something because my guys are slow, instead of doing more stuff, but that's me. If watching Meganium take and heal 700 hp worth of damage per battle makes you happy, then be happy.

>>715668984 (OP)
I would pick Chikorita even if I showed up first. I always pick the Grass starter.

>>715690826
>fast with sturdy. I don't think that exists
Magnezone is the fastest Pokemon with sturdy, and he's 60 base speed

>>715690886
Based mom

>>715688545
Because Chikorita comes at the expense of having Totodile or Cyndaquil instead. No one is going to hate Unown or Ledian for "bricking" their playthrough

For all you know Chikorita could be the best starter in Legends ZA, you just don't know how the real-time battling will effect the gameplay.

If status effects impact movement or projectile speed and make it easier to dodge attacjs. Then Chikorita's going to be the best starter.

>>715690080
Well, its moves include things like Poison Powder and leech seed. imo pretty much the appeal of chikorita or an average grass mon at all IS that you can do this kinda meme build. right, yknow?
The other poster mentions Team Rocket and, I'm not good at discussing tactics/stats since I go with whatever works but. I use razor leaf and KO that lmao. Sometimes it works.
>Gyarados
That's the thing, too. I don't know why I have to solo the entire game with a starter. I can laugh at the gym guy for falling for grass meme build and otherwise stomp them with a Gyarados and some other mon that I got later. That's why it's not a big issue to go with this starter.

So are we getting regionals or not?

>>715691121
Is it though?
Meganium kinda sucks at that. Poison Powder is all it gets normally. It doesn't even get Leech Seed naturally. All the cool support stuff a grass type CAN do, Meganium either can't, or can only through breeding/tutoring moves onto it.
That's kinda the other fucked up thing about Meganium. If you WANT a status or support fucker, it's immediately worse than like a dozen other random grass types.

>>715691121
I don't care because I don't and will never play new pokemon games.

>>715691250
Oh right I misremembered I thought it got Stun Spore, but does have Body Slam lol. I looked it up and they did give it Leech Seed as a level up move in Gen IX though.

>>715669267

>>715691396
Aaah, I know pokemon get all kinds of weird moves now, I don't really keep track, beyond laughing every time I remember modern Gyarados gets Waterfall at like, 21, 22. Fair enough then.

>>715690995
>Totodile
There are plenty of good water types in gen 2. Some of them, such as Quagsire, Lapras, and Suicune, are arguably better. You're not going to miss Totodile if you N gets trips and forces you to release it. Giving up Cyndaquil sucks at first since it's the best fire type before the postgame, and then you realize that fire types are actually kinda ass with next to zero defensive utility.

Therefore, the best starter in GSC is Geodude

>[pokemon] sucks because it has bad stats
Lol who cares it's friend-shaped and the game's easy anyway. There are no bad starters.

>12 years old
>barely know anything about type effectiveness and stab
>pick chikorita
>spam body slam and razor leaf
>don't remember having a problem with whitney or red
it's just that easy

>>715692242
Some pokemon, such as Jumpluff, are beyond saving in-game.

>>715690826
>Gen 2 Feraligatr is piss
did we play the same game? gen 2 totodile is an absolute monster for the part of the game that is using tackle and surviving tackle, and then gets early surf after kimono girls that carries it all the way to claire.

>>715692391
>tackle
Nevermind tackle, RAGE. Set up rage on Clefairy and use Miltank's rollout against her.

>>715690995
you can't brick the playthrough even if you wanted to, the game is easily beatable with any random mon

>>715669519
He has a perfectly good mouth. Either way, he has to shit from somewhere.

>>715692387
Still one of the fastest Sleepers available. Not sure if it'd matter much for an in game playthrough though.

>>715692821
Actually, it does matter in GSC. A fast sleeper is really useful for catching the roaming legends. Haunter isn't quite fast enough, and Crobat can't learn hypnosis through breeding yet.

>>715692118
>Quagsire,
Ass
No, really, memes about what it can do in competitive aside, look at this thing's stats. No. Quagsire isn't better than anything.
Lapras
Fair. You kinda gotta coordinate when you start your game so you can go grab it immediately when you get Surf, but early Lapras is really nice.
>Suicune
Eeeeeh. Nah.
First, if it's Crystal, you're not getting Suicune until the end of the game.
Second, if it's Gold or Silver, you're way, way better off hunting Raikou.
Also you can grab a Staryu around the same time, and if you're willing to hunt for Suicune, you can rig a phone call water stone, and Starmie is kinda just better.

The real boogieman that haunts Totodile is Gyarados. You can fish one up and have it before Whitney if you push for it, or you can nab Mushu out of the fukkin lake the moment you get Surf. Gyarados is probably at its worst in gen 2, but it's still better than gatr in nearly every way that matters, and Gyarados only gets better from there.

>>715669519
>>715669267
>looks like a girl
>was a girl in the anime
>was clingy as fuck
>clearly sexual tension between her and Ash
SEX

>>715692391
Like
It's not worse than Chikorita piss, and I say piss in the context of starters, where even bad ones are pretty okay, but it's not GOOD in gen 2. Its Special Attack kinda noticably sucks, its moves kinda suck. It IS probably the most consistent Whitney, assuming Geodude has been banished to the shadow realm, and then it runs into Blastoise syndrome super fucking hard, where every single water type that becomes available when you get Surf and water routes shits on it. For Blastoise, this at least happens near the end of the game, though, so you're unlikely to make up the difference in stat exp. For Feraligatr, this is like, the halfway point. As someone mentioned, Lapras is way, way better, Starmie is ludicrously, ridiculously better, fukkin, Mantine is probably better. Tentacruel is definitely better. Suicune is better, but unreasonable. Slowbro... might be better. Being THAT slow sucks, you're getting statused and debuffed to fucking oblivion. Poliwrath... eeeeeeeeh maybe Gatr is better than Poliwrath. And Vaporeon. God, Vaporeon sucks.
Lanturn... might be better? I know I'm always disappointed by it in fangames/romhacks, so maybe not. Dewgong is probably better, but I legit forget where the fuck Seel is in gen 2. I don't think it's in Ice Cave? Maybe it is.
And Gyarados fucks it hard, is available even earlier, and even if you don't want it then, Red is there when you get Surf, too.
Feraligatr is almost unique as a starter, in just how much stuff suddenly shows up to directly outclass it. I think only BW2 Tepig has it worse, where Growlithe is available a few minutes after starting the game, and beats the shit out of Emboar in nearly every conceivable way. Grass types in general kinda have this, there's almost always a bunch of early grass types, but those usually suck dick, too, and tbe starter grass probably at least gets a move.

>>715693972
>Grass types in general kinda have this, there's almost always a bunch of early grass types, but those usually suck dick, too, and tbe starter grass probably at least gets a move.

Grass starters tend to get mogged because being pure grass sucks. The best grass types are almost always good because of their secondary type, with their grass type is just a license to have powder status moves and leech seed lol.

>>715668984 (OP)
On my recent Crystal run I benched my starter and went with Gastly instead.

>>715693972
>but it's not GOOD in gen 2.
Totodile would actually be worse in any gen other than 2 because of how broken Rage is. Sure it's not an endgame move, but it's basically the next best thing other than having Dragon Rage/Sonic Boom on a starter.

>>715668984 (OP)
>hardest to use starter
so i get the one not for pussies, cool

Everyone knows you're supposed to give the GSC rival a girl's name, right

>>715693389
Quagsire is part of a privileged few to learn STAB earthquake early. Its water/ice/ground coverage is golden and paired with solid physical bulk. It can also learn sludge bomb to one shot grass types as it will hit much harder than ice punch. It may be slow, but the grass types it's aiming to turn the tables on will be even slower when factoring in stat experience.
>Suicune vs Raikou
Raikou is heavily dependent on DV RNG for hidden power. Its only good move is spark. Suicune on the other hand learns aurora beam for coverage one level after being caught to compliment surf and has rain dance to juice up its offense. If you want a good electric type, Ampharos and the 0 DV Elekid are better pokemon. A case for Lanturn could also be made due to the versatility of having a water/electric type.
>Gyarados
Its a late game pokemon with none of the benefits that Lapras, Starmie, Kingdra, and Suicune have. Its special attack was nerfed into the ground in gen 2, but it doesn't have any physical moves other than strength and hyper beam to compensate as it doesn't learn earthquake until gen 3. You're just using GSC Gyarados for the shiny.

>>715693032
Unless you run into Entei, miss your sleep move and it roars you, making it vanish forever.
Still not sure how that slipped through testing but whatever.

>>715695759
Only in FRLG

>>715668984 (OP)
Well atleast its not a pal.

>>715668984 (OP)
Just what I wanted. Sorry I'm late, little buddy. Let's go on an adventure.

>>715695941
Really? I always kept thinking it could happen in GS as well, nevermind then.

>>715668984 (OP)
Pass. If you've ever picked a non-water starter we can't get along.

>>715672517
this is probably why I don't have the same sexual expectations of latinas.

I think of Exeggcute and Farfetch'd, you guys think of Chikorita.

>>715696159
Look pal, I like Squirtle and Totodile as much as any other guy out there, but if you picked Mudkip or Oshawott you are a certifiable faggot.

>>715696159
Fire starter gang runs these parts, pal

>>715697728
>unironically picking Squirtle
You have no right to talk down to anyone

>>715697728
What's wrong with Mudkip? He's fucking great in Gen 3. Or is it because he's so strong?

>>715698312
Objectively the best starter with the best type coverage, eat shit and cry.
>>715698362
Because it's ugly

>>715698408
>Because it's ugly
nah that's you

>>715698408
You sound like a tasteless faggot.

>>715694586
Based. Real trainers pick the starters that make you fight your way through the early game like a caveman with a stick. If it doesn’t struggle against Falkner’s Pidgeotto or need to pray at the altar of RNGesus for Bugsy, it ain’t worth it.

>>715698865
>starters that make you fight your way through the early game
So throw away the starter and use a Ledyba. There isn't a single starter in the history of the series where it's hard to do anything at all.

>>715691226
They've been marketing megas, HARD. I find difficult that they would add regionals and shill for them too.

How do you feel about hacking saves to add egg moves to caught pokemon to use during a normal playthrough

>>715670262
Exactly, the game is not hard at all and the starter you pick doesn’t matter. Maybe the others are slightly better but chikorita is perfectly serviceable to beat the game with.

>>715668984 (OP)
Great now I never have to watch any State of Play, Nintendo Direct or Summer Games Fest

>>715689005
That zoroark event in B/W is annoying how it’s locked behind having a shiny legendary dog from some event at the time. Not any shiny legendary dog, only the event one(s)

>>715700349
The problem with Chikorita is that she's boring, not that she's hard to beat the game with. You're never kicking ass with her.

>>715694558
Well, gen 3 you're probably right, but by gen 4 and the physical/special split, most of Totodile's problems are solved, and it's actually pretty good. It can actually use its Attack, a lot of the holes in its moveset are patched. Still not one of the best or anything, but, decent. Probably the best of the three in HGSS, at any rate, though that's at least partially due to Typhlosion losing Thunderpunch. Gatr "keeps" Ice Fang, which is kinda defacto old Ice Punch, since it uses the better stat now, but, Typhlosion sinking is at least a good part of it.
Still kinda perpetually outclassed by Gyarados, but, that's kinda just what being a physical water type is like nowadays. Good enough for Lance, at any rate. It ain't no Swampert, but, it's not bad.

>>715670262
Oh, yeah, all the starter viability conversation is mostly for fun.
The games are so easy it basically doesn't matter. The worst starter (Snivy) can beat their game just fine, no starter is hopeless.
Maybe Yellow Pikachu is actually hopeless. If that counts.

>>715668984 (OP)
Chikorita is my favorite starter so this is fine

>>715668984 (OP)
The superior version

>>715702114
>Frankenstein abomination
>Superior

Go play in traffic

The problem with starters is that every game has 50000 water pokemon and 10000 grass pokemon and MAYBE 1 fire pokemon that's not the starter

she cute

>>715668984 (OP)
Charmander
Chikorita
Torchic
Piplup
dunno or care what comes after
4cat.

>>715674572
>Parassect
>lol
Its not bad actually. It gets some decent status moves to hold you over until Spore, Slash is always a great move, and it naturally learns Giga Drain too, which lets you save the TM for something else and gives you another breeding partner for something that would enjoy the move.

sex with bianca

What's your choice for each gen?
>Charmander
>Cyndaquil
>Mudkip
>Chimchar
>Oshawott
>Froakie
>Litten
>Sobble
>Cyndaquil again for PLA
>Sprigatito

>>715678539
>them
>there
It's not a "them". Did you have more than one?
If it's sexless it's an "IT"
"I had trouble finding something for IT to do"
"Its movepool is kind of lackluster [sic]"
OR you can actually just pick one and use it, and clarify later. You can just say "HIS movepool" or "HER movepool", like normal people have been doing since language was born, you fucking RETARD SHUT THE FUCK UP

>>715668984 (OP)
Chikorita is my darling but ALL of her evolutions look like SHIT

>>715710003
Bulbasaur.
Chikorita when I was younger but nowadays Totodile.
Mudkip
Piplup
Oshawott
Chespin
Rowlett
Grookey
Fuecoco
Rowlett for PLA.

Piranha Plant.

>>715699017
charmander gym 1 is kinda tough

>>715713434
>pick charmander in red
>first gym is the rock gym
>you have no access to even a single pokemon that has moves that aren't 1/2 damage to rock types
still easy enough with some tail whips/growls but what the fuck where they thinking? Why does the big giant forest have no damn grass types?

>>715714182
I just use Ember. Geodude and Onix have piss-poor SpD and fall to a couple flame burps.

>>715678403
It suffers from having a very limited movepool with almost no coverage. It doesn't even learn fucking leech seed, one of the most satisfying and funnest moves to use on a bulky grass type. Not like the other two gen 2 starters are much better.

chikorita is my absolute favorite mon, it looks like a funny little pear and the noise when it comes out of the pokeball in melee is permanently cemented in my brain

Gonna play HG soon after I am done with Platinum. Is this a good team?
>Starter (Fire for easy, Grass for fave type)
>Phanphy/Donphan
>Heracross
>Zubat
>Ampharos
>Politoed
>Xatu
>Espeon
>Some Trade-Mon hacked in
>HM-Slave

>>715715847
I knew it.

>>715668984 (OP)
Isn't Meganium like obscenely busted in HGSS?
It gets a heal and it's thick as a motherfucker.
I remember picking totodile and getting my shit rocked by it after a few gyms when you get cut off by your rival.
That was like one of the only times I got wiped out in any pokemon game.
I might be misremembering though.

>>715715847
That's a woman with a fake cock in her panties isn't it?
Although that right winger tranny also ruined his face with all that plastic surgery, so it can be a dude too...

>>715716053
Obscenely busty Meganium...

>>715669263
Or you can simply get a Geodude, and have Graveler steamroll through the entire game, (since you obviously have nobody to trade it for a Golem). Johto is essentially weak as hell against Rock and Ground (except for Chuck but he only has two Pokémon anyway).

>>715674787
no, but it's finding a niche as plant substitute for zero-carb carnivore fags that miss veggies

>>715710003
>bulbasaur
>cyndaquil
>treecko
>turtwig
>snivy

Those were just my first choices though. I've done all three in gen 1, 2, and 4