Thread 715682705

It cant just be me who notices most artists employed in various publishing companies dont know how to draw properly, especially human proportions and faces.

Black skin on her please

>>715682705 (OP)
>draw
more like model, they are just too lazy to properly sculp faces and bodies but have no problem sculping useless details on overdesigned characters

Because the artists they hire don't know the fundamentals. Nobody is reading books or looking at inspiration from older animators.

>>715682705 (OP)
>starts with simple shapes
>...
>suddenly a bunch of extremely complex lines which nobody but extremely talented artists can replicate
I hate artists so much, you never teach people, it is always like this, like "fun with a pencil". You lie to people about drawing being a skill that can be taught but no, you are born with that, just like how someone can be born hetero or gay. Either you are born an artist or you aren't

>>715682705 (OP)
It's not that people who know their shit don't exist, it's just that they're beyond your average slop studios' willingness to pay.

>booba, nipples :(
>booba, no nipples :)

>>715682919
>You lie to people about drawing being a skill that can be taught but no, you are born with that,
oh my god
oh bro i was born with the "piano" gene, it's my genetic lineage of playing the piano, how dumb are you. this is worth disparaging, of fucking course it can be taught, cooking can be taught, guitar can be taught, network engineering can be taught. just cause you didn't learn doesn't mean shit

I like flat women (females)

>trying to learn how to draw
>anatomy stuff is too confusing and hard
i just want to draw my videogame comfort characters...

>>715682919
probably bait but you are still a skilless loser who probably gives up the moment any resistance shows up, story mode ass faggot
good thing you were born with the cock sucking gene

>>715682919
I was with you that the explanations are shit but it's obviously a result of practice not birth.
Also being gay is a symptom of various mental issues like sexual trauma or parasitic worms, not birth.

>>715682705 (OP)
I tried

>>715683245
In anatomy, you should first learn how to connect body parts (like torso to shoulder, torso to pelvis, pelvis to thigh, etc.) instead of learning muscle groups. Muscles are, at the end of the day, details.

>>715682705 (OP)
>spent 5+ years figuring out how to draw a body
>still can't color it properly
what a bullshit hobby

>>715682887
This. Its shocking because when I went to school for film & tv way back we had fundamental drawing classes to help our storyboarding class.

>>715683434
She's beautiful! :3

>>715683514
Maybe it's because of the drawing tablet that you use and the drawing software that you use that are holding you back?

>>715683434
Almost there, just gotta keep practicing

>>715682919
My dude. Its not about being born with skill, it's that most of these retards are not very good teachers. If I were to create this lesson I would have at least 12 or 15 steps.

Most of the people on this board can't tell the average tiktok thot they're gooning to looks that way because of the 100 layers of filters they're using so why does it even matter

>>715683728
I was talking about OP pic

>>715683878
I see! :c

>>715683434
>>715683739

>>715683950
UUUUNGGH
THICKER

>>715684054
my bad

its berry easy

because most artists suck mad shit.

>>715684346
trvke

>>715684248
A DRAWING OF WHAT

>>715682705 (OP)
I really hate that way artists have of modelling. It always creates a fake sort of anatomy.

You shouldn't draw hips like random dots in a plane. You draw a ribcage, next you model the line of the rectus muscles into a triangle to length the abdomen, you position the iliac crest somewhere pleasant and HERE comes the key: You put the FEMUR's greater trocanter at level with the crotch and as far apart as you want. THIS is what gives shape to hips and butts. This is specially important when drawing loli art because you can contour the muscles like a layer of cloth over the bones and will give a more anatomic appearance.

>>715683434
sexoooo

>>715684420
an upside down drawing of a open book with arms and legs swinging around like spiderman

>>715683434
Aren't your birds upside down?

>>715684663
this nigga got a PhD in ass

>>715682705 (OP)
> you gotta add the muscle and study this bone and study this one thingy and do this one
> the end result is just a ZBrush render
> all the author draws is offmodel fanartslop where everyone has the exact same body type
nigga at least do something interesting with the pencil before teaching me i beg ya

>>715684149
mmmm wide girls...

>>715682919
you made the wannabe artists mad with this, knowing that they'll never make it

>>715684663
Why is the other guy sleeping

>>715682919
>extremely complex lines which nobody but extremely talented artists can replicate
When you're ready, you won't have to...

>>715682919
>draw the rest of the owl.jpg

>>715684479
Kinda like this. I'm still shit at eyeing proportions and imagining 3D ribcages and pelvises. Still, bone anatomy is important, this is not sculpting.

>>715682705 (OP)
because classical drawing and animation is largely a dead art
in another couple decades, people will essentially have to rediscover the techniques because there will no longer be any living people with the knowledge to learn from

>>715684831
How are you doing this

>>715685003
Hands look like shit, but the secret is nobody looks at hands.

>>715685070
shhhh shut the fuck up

>>715684663
Based

>>715685070
NTA, but I can only presume that each frame of the video has a different resolution, and the dynamic nature of the player allows the display to grow with the change as it plays

>>715684831
>>715685126
MODS HE'S BREAKING MY MONITOR DO SOMETHING PLEASE

>>715685126
>meatspin experience

>>715684760
Maybe, I forgot which way they go

>>715683094
>perfect pitch

>>715685350
I also hate straight artists

>>715684663
>a man that clearly understands anatomy, which enables him to break the boundaries because he knows where they lie
If you cannot speak about what you draw like he does, you are not an artist.

>>715684995
Like this?

>>715683936
A faint amount of lordosis is perfectly fine, human spines are not meant to be perfectly straight.

>>715685581
Didn't you listen to ass master >>715684663 ? Add fat, otherwise that's a man

>>715682705 (OP)
What a shit tutorial

>>715684479
You sound like a massive dunning kruger. Post your work.

>>715684995
i tried to fix your drawing, it is really hard drawing with a shitty mouse

And here I came excited expecting some vidya torsos

>>715682919
Talent means you are born with a brain that can handle certain tasks with ease naturally.
Skill means you have spent thousands of hours on a certain task and have become good at it or not.
You seem to be lacking both.

>>715685787
why aren't you an artist anon
get a tablet they're like $20

>>715685787
That's just Toriel you cunt!

>>715682919
Your talents just sets your starting point. What matters most is drive to actually draw and improve.

>>715686079
i havbe a tablet but it isnt plugged in rn, last time i was using it was for splatoon 1 as the screen touchpad. very kino experience

>>715686068
Drawing is the kind of a skill that you cannot get to even intermediate level without natural talent.

>>715682919
>just like how someone can be born hetero or gay
do "talent is genetic!" fags actually believe this?

>>715686183
I'm gonna get up and plug my tablet in, if you won't do the same in the next 15 minutes we're not friends anymore

you dont really need to do all that. a lot of tutorials add on too much knowledge that you learn later on. as long as you have a form you get used to using for the torso, and one for the pelvis, you're pretty much good. there isn't much difference between a stick figure and the abstraction most artists use. it's basically a stick figure with some masses added.

>>715682705 (OP)
Did i get it right?

one time I got over 600 likes on my drawing on twitter

>>715683728
>She's beautiful! :3
Thanks! :3

Why does everyone want to be a drawer but no one wants to be an author?

>>715682919
This is somewhat true. Having a natural talent for things makes it far more easier to do, but if you're also lazy and undisciplined like me then you're ngmi even if you are talented. I used to program in C and Assembly a while ago with ease but now I can barely get out of bed in the morning, let alone dedicate myself to any sort of task that requires a modicum of effort. Now that AI is coming to make coding obsolete, I don't even bother with it anymore

>>715686496
I can't masturbate to words

>>715682781
>more like model,
this is the problem you need to learn to draw before you start modeling if you want to draw anatomy.

>>715686496
Drawers decide how your story looks

>>715686540
use your imagination nigga

>>715686496
the art of good writing is lost especially in this modern world where people dont have time for words and would rather prefer a picture of a one sentence summary of something. also aijeets

>>715682705 (OP)
Online teacher slop should be punishable by death honestly

>>715686496
Nigger you are on a fucking IMAGE board people here want fucking IMAGES you are looking the wrong fucking place

>>715686575
Decades of television and video games have eroded that.

>>715686306
Blog?

>>715686540
FILTERED

>>715686018
Made for Aryan men exclusively

>>715686540
Skill issue

>>715686727
we have found the man who dreams of getting pegged by futa's

>>715686540
>>715686727
Sillytavern has been my main source of cooming for the last few months.

>>715686650
people at /lit/ read (I think)

>>715686018
That torso is fucky am I wrong?

>>715685350
It should say western fan art.

>>715686825
I have VR. It simply can't compete.

>>715686727
I like doing puritan runs. No sex, No transformations, the only love I have is the love of Jesus Christ and killing demons.

>>715686540
But women do it all the time. They love erotic literature.

>>715686969
Women aren't real

>>715686496
I don't know what I could write that hasn't been done before. I already know if I did I would avoid things like insincerity or Whedon babble but thats as far as it goes. You really need to get lucky with writing any story. Drawing? Well even if you suck people will see and understand and if you try to improve even better.

>>715686496
what are comics?

>>715686496
Because literature has failed as a medium for entertainment. The only uses for literature now are medical treatises, analytics and instruction manuals.

>>715686496
justice for my nigga verso

>>715686496
I haven't read a novel from front to back since high school and even then just skimmed over material just to finish assignments
Something is just insanely boring about reading while I can appreciate even the shittiest drawing

>>715684663
Holy

>>715687189
They count as drawers more than authors

>>715687456
...no?

>>715687069
>I don't know what I could write that hasn't been done before
the obsession with originality kills art

>>715687456
Some mangaka are good at both

>>715687456
Maybe for neo-nu-comics where they are all just political mouthpieces for the leftist editors, but plenty of older runs and many manga are written and illustrated by the same guy.

>>715686496
You actually need to enjoy life to either write or appreciate good stories; the average person doesn't.

>>715687621
Qualia the purple thread

>>715686846
Two sets of boobs and the fold for her lovehandles is too high.

>>715687820
>>715686846
Wait a sec, you're just using me to correct the mistakes in your AI art aren't you?

>>715682705 (OP)
>It cant just be me who notices most artists employed in various publishing companies dont know how to draw properly, especially human proportions and faces.
Very bold statement, but your problem is that you consume low cost slop and expect it to be better than what it's worth. Also I doubt that you know more than some basic anatomy yourself, so you wouldn't be able to reliably judge someone's artwork when they are good enough to avoid making obvious mistakes that even a retard could notice.

>>715682919
This is wrong. It's just that drawing is very complex set of problems that you don't have to deal with on daily basis. You dont need to think about horizon or vanishing point, but above and below. You don't need to think about rotation, but only direction. And you dont need to think about the picture plane, but only vision. What artists suck at is they dont explain to you the preliminary axioms about illustration. Once you understand how flat, guided and firmly connected art is and how focused, mindful and dedicated you must be, you can start with lesson 1. That also can be learned, but without it, you can't do it. I drew this and i suck ass.

>>715687539
I agree but I don't think I could engage people on the same level as others do. I know what I'd avoid and I know a protagonist I make would be flawed, but would handle his issues with sincerity and dignity but thats it.

>>715683491
Teach me your ways, Drawfriend. I can't seem to get the thighs to connect to the pelvis and look right

>>715682919
because they don't want to admit what they're really doing is copying a reference picture

>>715688240
I'm no drawer but I like what I see. I don't know if its a regular hobby or how long you've invested in but I just thought I should say that.

>>715688456
a lot of people can draw without references.
there's no magic trick or thing to teach you.
you must draw more and more.

>>715687931
No anon, this isn't even my slop. I just like Lucy too much and saw a chance to post her

>>715688456
You should be doing that tho. Draw from reference. Always. Never without. Ponder the depth and rotation of forms and distance between land marks. You can't draw without it.

>>715682705 (OP)
>jump between "add fat to taste" and "just add color lol" phases
why do artists pretend like painting isn't magic? it's all easy until that point

>>715685410
perfect pitch isn't something you have from birth, it's something you get after receiving the right stimuli between ages 3 and 5

any parent can give their kid perfect pitch if they feel like it. Most parents don't because most parents don't give a shit, or haven't heard that you can

>>715688456
Even a chainsmoking, neurotic Walt Disney used references in his drawings despite them all being weird looking mutant rats or dogs.

i started drawing early this year. was it a mistake to make a twitter?
seeing my stuff get zero hearts or any comments/convos is discouraging.

>>715686313
nice

>>715682919
>>suddenly a bunch of extremely complex lines which nobody but extremely talented artists can replicate
>extremely complex lines
They aren't complex, I've seen my girlfriend draw. With five shitty squiggly lines on a napkin you suddenly can see the structure of a dragon or such, because studying anatomy lets you break down objects into simple objects.
Nobody automagically knows how a muscle is supposed to look like when bent at an angle, you study and practice it.

>>715684663
>the ass professor
i will hang a picture of this man in my house

>>715688836
Same. I am not awful, but nobody likes my art so pretty much stopped drawing because of that. I just practice and study from reference, but i dont draw something of my own. I see no point.

The old renaissance masters used to use reflections of miniatures as reference when possible.
Just use references.
But learn *how* to use references.
Don't just copy what you see, use your fuckin brain to figure out why what you're seeing is the way it is.

>>715682705 (OP)
I tried

>falling for this bait every time
why do you think that poster was genuine?and if he is a genuine retard why do you think that after being told that he is a wrong the first 2000 times replying once more will change anything?you are a bunch of low iq niggers and you should get a new brain from the sub 50 iq bin because for you it would be a net gain

@715688456
this is another bait you fucking morons stop replying

>>715688836
>barely 1 year in
>probably cant even make a stick figure right
>social media
nigga you stupid social media will only slow you down with all the triple thinking you will do

>>715688915
Well I mostly draw for myself, I am hellbent on getting better so I can make art that suits my niche.

I think you should always draw what (You) want anon. If not, then why bother.

>>715688997
good effort anon, keep it up

>>715688836
>was it a mistake to make a twitter?
It compresses ALL your art. Why in God's name would you make a twitter for your art, a place that doesn't even have good tags or ways of discovering (you) as an artist? More people need to go back to Newgrounds or deviantart.

>>715686220
They have to.
Otherwise they have to admit they're mediocre and lazy.

>>715689031
Well, you could get good at AI genning instead. The end results will be better than drawing, with less time invested.

my issue is I start and then get inside my own head
I'm like I can't be drawing for fun I need to be STUDYING

>>715689218
go back to your slopper containment thread

>>715682705 (OP)
These kinds of images are such horseshit. Those supposedly simple shapes are hard to draw.

>>715688260
1. Draw a pipe (which will be the pelvis) and two balls (which will be the knees) underneath them.
2. Cut the pipe in order to make it look like an underwear.
3. Connect the dots.

>>715688836
>muh social media
>muh views
did you also know 98% of twitch streamers also stream to 1-3 people max? and they keep doing it anyways? they stream just to stream because doing it purely in hopes for gaining views is a retard's quest
so either stop caring about engagement or just delete twitter

>>715683434
You have a bright career of drawing Sunny Miami porn ahead of you.

>>715689361
This is me trying to follow those instructions. As you can see, I fucked up the proportion, and the lines are shit.

https://files.catbox.moe/pgwmoc.pdf
Dropping this small book about drawing oppai. It's in jp but i hope it will help some anons here.

>>715682705 (OP)
I've been stuck at the final step for years.

>>715689484
hehe thats a cute kuromi

>>715689518
These are fun but not very useful if you don't speak the language.

>>715684845
I add the womb now specifically because of this guide.

Utimately, the best way to learn to draw is to just draw. Find a picture of a cute girl and then try to draw her and just do that until it clicks.
When something doesn't make sense, do research until it does.

>>715682705 (OP)
I’m a pretty good artist. I skip straight to step 4, with one step of some light guidelines for overall pose beforehand.

Anyways, the attachment point for the pecs is way too low in step 4, but he covers it up subsequently. And the collarbones are too high and straight. And the rotation on the lower half of the torso doesn’t line up with the rotation of the upper half. The traps are also oddly placed, but that partially relates to the high collarbones. And I don’t get why the midpoint of the torso doesn’t line up with the solar plexus and sternum. This artist is good at rendering, but step 4 needs more work.

>>715689583
Yeah, but i assume some anons can try to mimic what the book is trying to teach them and try to get a better understanding how boobs work even without the context.

>>715687667
That's not true. You can also absolutely fucking despise life and be a good writer.
If you're indifferent about the whole thing then yeah, you'll probably suck.

I think many of you just have a line problem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERxiuWHQ7a8&list=WL

The whole /ic/ schizo squad is here.

>>715682919
I still can't believe how many people deny talent and destiny.
I remember learning to draw, and how after four months of practice I couldn't even make a straight line.
But then the day I picked up piano, I intuited chords, time signatures, etc without any prior musical education.
I tried to pick up programming. But I am not destined to be a programmer, so I couldn't learn no matter how or how hard I tried.
But then I picked up kickboxing on a whim and after three months could easily defeat people who practiced for years.
I had a bit of a crisis there: should I be proud of skills that I didn't "earn," that I am good at things just because I'm meant to be? But of course, I'll never be a champion fighter; even if I'm talented, there are people with a far greater font of natural talent than I.
It's no different than how a person born poor will almost never become successful, or how a person born outside Japan will never become a famous mangaka. All of your life is based on the circumstances of your birth, and what skills you can develop is no different.

>>715689769
yes thats what happens when an artist only learns learn shapes without knowning how anything where things are attached to and then they pretend they know shit and make this garbage tutorials

>>715689059
Thanks, anon.

Anyone got tips to learn while copying? would really like to try and do that with looking at OPM's art style.

>>715689484
Nigger its fine

>>715683434
Why does she have water inside her tits and hips?

>>715690074
Yeah, because I've been trying to learn to draw for months. If I tried to follow that image inexperienced, it would have been even worse.

Just draw

>>715689484
>>715690151
FATTY ALERT. The fact that you can see your mistakes means you're learning, keep at it.

>>715689967
You rarely find people who are good at everything, at best you will only find jacks of all trades. Everyone is built different. Yes anyone can learn anything if they put enought practice into it but the road to mastery will be almost impossible to achieve. The thing is you never know until you tire and give it time.

>>715690151
as beginner you waste more time looking for shortcuts/tutorials and reinventing the wheel than drawing and i really hope you didnt fall for this trap too

>>715689361
i wish to master drawing kuromi because i have a tdm fetish

>>715690331
I don't watch any tutorials. But I did download Fun with a Pencil. I always though that the old man on the cover looked smug and condescending, but it's actually supposed to be a kind smile.

>>715683434
Hire this man.

<= how you must learn drawning and anatomy

>>715690185
I like drawing(lets be honest, copying) video game character. its fun. anything beyond that feels miserable for me

>>715690462
*drawing

AHEM!

>>715690424
you will need loomis somewhere down the line when you want to improve your faces above a certain level but only when your grasp of 3d shapes is strong enough
>>715690414
the ugly truth about drawing is you need to learn things you have no interest into to progress like how to draw a real human head when you want to draw anime heads and real anatomy when you want to just want to draw tdm.enjoy your journey

>>715690082
that's the 70% of her body where all the water is stored.

>>715690414
never give up, anon.

>>715689218
Not at the moment. AI gens are an inconsistent mess.
If you want a good quality results, you draw art yourself or use 3D models.
You will end up retouching every single AI gen if you choose that route and if you aren't skilled enough to fix the style AI genned, you are fucked.

>>715690772
s-stop looking at me like that...

>>715690721
And how would I know if I reached that? That book is clearly meant for beginners.

>>715690721
>real anatomy
Not that anon but, do you happen to have references that don't include 5/10 hoes that make the experience painful?

>>715691156
>coomer.su
you can grab a lot of references there.

>>715691156
http://artofckphoto.com/

I spend quarter a year doing nothing but drawing elipses. Time well spend lmao.

>>715683434
I lost my nofap streak to this, thanks asshole

>>715686313
yes Yes YES!!!

>>715691314
Nice, that will do thanks.
>>715691309
>coomer.su
Right, now I realize it was a stupid ass question with all the "content" going around online.

>>715689378
>>715682705 (OP)
The lack of nipples is off putting

>>715682919
Talent is a real thing, sure. But it's not something that can't be overcome by effort.

...but you've got no talent for effort either, do you, you lazy cunt?

>>715689378
This is a good guide

>>715684845
knowing she was drawn with a womb is hot

now the scene when lilo sits in her lap is even better knowing lilo is canonically resting against her womb

>>715685410
Being good at an instrument or music in general has nothing to do with perfect pitch.

>>715686530
AI wont replace coders at least for awhile
people who incorporate AI and use it to speed up their work will replace those who cant use AI at all

>>715691742
isn't there an study that says it actually makes them 19% slower but they believe is faster

>>715691742
Anybody can learn how to use Ai, that's the whole point of it.

>>715691818
you can ask the AI to spit out a python script for you but if you dont know any python it'll take much longer to get what you want

>>715691795
most code is copy pasted anyway

>>715682919
Tutorials either suck or/and expect you to actually understand something about drawing.

>>715691865
Yeah, I understand that. I'm just saying the act of "learning how to use AI" for basically any field is an extremely basic ability that requires no skill to pickup.

>>715683950
Yes I do love fat women how did you know

>>715691896
grab the pencil and draw basic forms is the bare minimum you should do. draw the fucking circle.

>>715682919
if you don't immediately click with something its a complete waste of time to pursue it, you will never get anywhere and see complete beginners overtake you easily
you need to find something that comes naturally to you

>>715689378
This shit really opened my eye to Booba. It was right there! Really makes me think way more about my lines

>>715682705 (OP)
fuck accuracy.
employ radicality!

>>715691598
Truth nuke.

>>715691947
dude. that's a horse WTF

>>715691697
She also doesn't wear panties and you can see her pelvic bone when Stitch pulls down her shorts.

>>715691984
way too much calarts influence

>>715691997
Oh no!

>>715692028
AWOOOOOOOGA

>>715690906
>how would i know
requisites:
>you understand perspective and how to draw cubes from every angles
>how to analyze and deconstruct things
>proportion and relationship between features

and here is the trigger
>very good at symbol drawing so you can get the character consistently close to 80% of source material but at some angles something is still off and you dont dont why and how to fix it

>>715684663
And yet all his females have retarded hips and weird butts.

If you're a beginner start with fucking perspective, yes, with perspective.
Not with anatomy, humans, portraits, loomis.
With fucking perspective.

as long as you use a form for the ribcage and one for the pelvis you'd end up in the right ballpark.

>>715683739
Wait that kinda works

>>715692191
draw the fucking boxes