Thread 715691634

How would (you) save this franchise?

Fuck the real world, go alt-history
Or an alt-world that just borrows whatever aesthetics from the real one it wants
Then you can do WW1 again but way less constrained by what obscure SMGs actually existed etc.

>>715691634 (OP)
64 players
BF3-like maps
Remove the vehicles
No SBMM

Now you have a multibillion dollar franchise

No operators
No heroes bullshit
No women
Environmental destruction
Class access to all guns

1. Remove planes.
2. That's it, without planes, map design can be made not dogshit since it no longer has to make concessions by stretching the map out with empty space, and almost everything else falls into place.

>>715692096
Fuck off Heli-fag. No air vehicles except for transport heli.

>>715692241
>fuck off heli fag
>wants helicopter
?????

>>715691634 (OP)
capture the flag

>>715694003
this except the flag is a vehicle

>>715693784
You know what he's talking about.
If you were competent at evading when you pop your flares there was absolutely zero risk of dying, particularly on that one fucking skyscraper map I can't remember the name of. You had to be a real fuckup to die and it was lame to anyone who wasn't in the helicopter.

>>715694513
I remember BF4 little birds constantly spewing sparks because they had two engineers in the sides outrepairing all the damage people could do with stingers, fuck that

There's no saving Battlefield since nobody at nu-DICE knows how to make a good map.
That's just one of the many problem of nu-DICE

Thoughts on the classes so far?
Engineer and Support seem to be OP

>>715691634 (OP)
Instead of trying to reinvent the franchise with every single new entry we make a normal Battlefield game (as close as can be approximated) to regain fan trust and then start building off of that proven foundation afterwards by adding on new modes to appeal to other demographics while leaving the base game unchanged to ensure the core fanbase will remain as a stable revenue stream.

>>715691634 (OP)
Everything that was added to market it to zoomers. Remove it.

>>715691634 (OP)
BF3/4 like
Good distribution between infantry only maps and large vehicle maps
Make vehicles more like 3/4 so they dont sit at depots like in V
Add call in stuff like in V to make squad play more use-full (sturmtiger was fun as fuck)
BF1 style Operations and Breakthrough.
Keep most weapons & equipment locked to classes but keep things like Sidearms and shotguns available to all classes.
Give me generic faceless soldiers but give me better options for irl camouflage for the solider and guns (less rainbow and gold skins, more Flectarn and Alepnflage)
Fuck it, Add Bayonet attachments + charges for shits and giggles
Make UCAV available for all classes (just to fuck with Helis)

All i can think of off the top of my head

>>715694868
Recon is going to be so annoying with so many spotting gadgets. Assault is underpowered. Recon is overpowered.

>>715694868
Every single part of them look like AIDS and not in the silly "no one is OP because everyone is OP" way.
Unlocking weapons from classes and then locking half of the grenades to assault while leaving only 3 generics is classic DICE retardation. Look, they made an entire CQC/stealth specialization for scout and then didn't give it access to the throwing knife.

>>715691634 (OP)
Would have to be something similar to bf4, limited monetization to rebuild player trust.
then do bf 2143 and milk the shit out of it and kill the franchise

>>715695969
As long as every class can use smokes I don't care about the rest of the grenades desu

>>715695804
>Recon is going to be so annoying with so many spotting gadgets
Not really, a lot of the gadgets and abilities were in previous games and they weren't really game breaking or that big of deal anyone who's good enough would just press Q instead.

>>715691634 (OP)
128 players, bots available to fill empty slots, dedicated servers available, bring back companies, vehicle towing and digging/fortifying from V, Same TTK as V, release a map editor and pic the best ones to be official maps, have more than 16 maps on release, weapons or individual skins like camo patterns no more than 2 dollars each, add new armies, have a different setting as major DLC like nuclear war aftermath, or zambies n shiet.

>>715697086
>Every recon has TUGS by default
>Recon looks at you with sniper you are spotted, level 0 perk btw
>Recon shoots you with a sniper you are highlighted(most likely wallhacked) + you stop regenerating health for a while
>Recon has access to pokeballs in their grenade slot
>Recon can also carry a drone and a laser designator on top of this setup
You won't be off the minimap in this game at all

>>715697593
Meant for>>715697297

>>715691634 (OP)
2143 next
battlefield 4 as the basis for gameplay, most importantly no cod movement and no operators
reworked titans to have modular damage, also make them the main game mode with conquest being a secondary game mode
128 ( or 256) players
optimize the shit out of so it can run on even a 10 year old potato on low with 60fps at 1080p
sell skins and loot boxes to make money, loot boxes contain the same shit as in bf4 (xp boosts, emblem parts, dogtags, attachments (keep attachment boxes as a thing that you earn after enough kills with a given weapon))

>>715691634 (OP)
>Delete everything after BF 2142 and make a real BF 3.
>Add back the cool battleships from 1942

>>715691634 (OP)
its so simple that it really makes you think they must be being incompetent on purpose for some reason.
Literally just take everything from bf3/4, improve the graphics, add more destruction, and more maps. its that simple.
With cod shaping up to flop this year bf has an opportunity to win, but they will fumble it as always.

it cannot be done, name one franchise that has been shit for the last 10 years and suddenly redeemed itself sar

>>715697593
You keep listening all of these abilities as if the average joe playing BF is going to utilize them efficiently, let alone carrying a sniper rifle in an open weapons form or other gadgets & throwables as well.
I've similar remarks regarding Paik before 2042 with her wallhacks and passives and when the game came out she wasn't expolited or used that much as many people have assumed.

>>715691634 (OP)
bf4 with bfv spotting system

>>715691634 (OP)
remove women
reintroduce more specialized classes
reintroduce the commander chair
just make BF2142 again with more mechas

Battlefield series is too far gone
They need something like BC3 at this point as BC3 can be a "reset" because it's not mainline so it doesn't have to follow the main series going off the cliff

>>715691634 (OP)
Make all the gameplay improvements other people can explain far better and then make it battlefield 40k, guard vs traitor guard, or maybe guard vs Tau
I know there have to be space marines so maybe some sort of AI controlled space marine VIP escort mode (make it an apothecary carrying a lot of gene seed to explain the AI acting cautiously and letting the guard take all the hits)

>>715700471
Oh also do use the sweet spot mechanic

Battlefield 3/4 again. But better. Stop trying to aim for the CoD group or whatever audience publishers want to get nowadays

Just make it similar to what real modern war looks like. There are shartillions of hours of Ukraine v Russia war and when I look at Battlefield I should be seeing a similar thing

>everyone pushes for BF3/BC2 except that is exactly where it started sliding downhill
fucking zoomers

>>715700837
But anon, BF needs to adapt to sell 7 gazillion copies and have 500 gorillion players.

Much stronger recoil and spread/shot so you can't instantly burst people down unless they're very close to you.
Link weapon types to classes again, why the fuck did you get rid of that?
No individual characters, didn't you notice that everyone was against that from the last game?
Just fucking delete recon, nobody has ever done anything worthwhile with recon at any point ever. If you really really think some of his gadgets are important give them to assault.

>>715701113
Go back to Quake you Gen X loser, if I shoot somebody I don't want them to shrug it off.
'83 soon hopefully.

>>715701050
That tweet could very easily be about 2042. Change is good, think of the new players, classes don't matter, just give it a chance! No, fuck you. Make a good game.

they diddn't make a good game since hardline and now we are here pretending that the same DICE will pull it off somehow, kek

>>715701348
Change itself isn't necessarily bad, it is when made by nu dice though.

>>715697593
If recon is OP, we should all only play recon until they fix it.

>>715700837
>Stop trying to aim for the CoD group
The alpha had low TTK, it's over.

>they removed ticket bleed in favor of points going up like BF1 in the latest builds
FUCK OFFFFFFFF

Remove snipers
Remove Jets

simple

>>715694697
I still shudder at the beta map with 2042 with the rocket pad. That map was so big flat and empty with no place for cover, what the fuck were they thinking?

>>715704669
But it's big. Big is good. Battlefield is about big maps. We made the map big so therefore it's a Battlefield map so it's good and we're good game designers.

Whatever happens, BF4 is still alive.

>>715691634 (OP)
How do autists have so much influence in the bf community. It was seen as a rival to cod for a while but half the complaints you hear are stupid shit like "ugh why can I use an AK as an American." I don't know why the immersion obsessed faggotrons haven't moved to arma which gives them all the autistic nonsense. Actually I do know why it's because arma sucks and they want a good game to cater to them. What they don't realise is it wouldn't be good anymore if it catered to them.

>4 classes
>Galatic conquest single-player with bots, AI designed around RTS gameplay instead of individual bots, make them work and move as units through the battlefield.
>Section 8 random objectives design, through the match random events can happen to give out points, a great way to motivate players to use less played areas of the map.

>was supposed to be developed with player input
>ignore all player input

>>715704669
128 players single-handedly killed 2042. All the maps were fucked because of it. All the other problems were minor in comparison to the fact that the map design made it fucking boring.

>>715694003
Nah Rush slaps.

>>715691634 (OP)
crossover with nortubel

>>715705195
Nigga did you just fucking reference section 8

>>715701035
Yes, but that was also when the game had a good balance of mass appeal while not being too far down the hill. That would be a good point to bring the game back.

Alien invasion spinoff game set in 1987. America, Europe, Russia, and China team up to kill the space niggers. No operators. Alien vehicles trade armor for speed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YDkBrWEOhM

Die space niggers die

>>715705365
Honestly, I don't think the big player count really matter anymore, even if it is the "core" of battlefield. I think past a certain point, the gameplay experience is exactly the same because the map has to be expanded to accommodate that number anyway. I'll take a tightly designed map with less player at this point.

>>715704669
What? Orbital has a good amount of cover and it's one of few bearable maps at launch.
You want a map with terrible cover? Then look no further than Kaleidoscope.

B1, D1,D2, E1 is garbage. Also look at C2, that point sucks ass to capture because C1 let's you snipe bombard it from a higher ground.

>>715691634 (OP)
I'd make an account on BF2Hub and play battlefield 2

https://www.bf2hub.com/servers

>>715705512
Nigga yes, and while we are at it make sprint work similarly, star slow and over time build up speed, so that sprint works for short distances and long distances without having the player running madly like a horse inside houses and at close quarters. Let that sort of speed only exist when the player really needs to run for long distances (something that is common in battlefield, especially the more vehicle oriented maps)

>>715705365
But couldn't you play the portal maps with those players? And in there see how it can still work?
I still think that the map design was simply terrible at the core.

>>715705195
holy based

>>715705123
To be fair player restriction is interesting for gameplay. Like weapons specific for classes instead of the free for all shit they have going on. Same with the factions. The old games did it and was a fun aspect.

>>715694868
>half of the roster is female
enjoy your screaming bitches on the field, very "immersive" battlefield indeed
fuck this shit, i'll keep playing bf1

>>715706819
>B1, D1,D2, E1 is garbage
No? Those flags are okay and there's plenty of enough assets that make for cover. One of which has a structure that is similar to the ones from Op Firestorm.
The structure in C1 is fine and it isn't as egregious as in other maps, besides anyone who camps there usually get killed by Nightbirds.

>>715707331
Weapon specific is good because you can balance the weapons without extremely strict balancing. A stronger weapon can go on a class with weaker gadget. A "weaker" weapon can go on classes with stronger gadget. The problem with AR (assault) is that they constantly gave assault really strong gadget kit like AT or Heal/defib after BC2.
Also, they don't need extreme customization if they want weapons balance and variety. Cut off some customization and spread out the exclusivity. There should be no fire select so there are burst only and full auto only weapon. Don't give every weapons every attachment. For example, if they worry about smg not being versatile as AR, give smg exclusivity for thermal optic and silencer attachment options so that they have their own unique strength.

>>715707861
BF1 is filled with DEI shit as well

>>715707331
Restrictions are good if you want a team game but bad if you want to play solo and do everything yourself. And since EA want to sell a billion copies they're trying to appeal to the people who want to play solo. They don't care if it fucks up the gameplay for people who like team games, because there aren't any other games like Battlefield so they'll have to buy the game anyway. Or at least that's what they think.
They did the same thing to Bioware when it came to RPGs. Told the devs that RPG fans will always buy the game, so don't worry about what they want, try to appeal to people who don't like RPGs instead. We all know how well that went.

>>715691836
fpbp

>>715691857
THIS

>>715691634 (OP)
Make retards run for vehicles instead of letting them spawn in them.

>>715705512
A great example why Stop Killing Games is needed.
Playing vs bots is not the same.

>>715698393
Fuckin A, it's been so long since my 1942 days, I forgot about those awesome ships. I miss flying my stuka and b17 flying fortress. Flying the c130 in desert combat was also fun as hell

>>715691634 (OP)
battle royale gamemode

>>715691634 (OP)
This isn't very complicated.
Battlefield is at its best with Battlefield 2-esq games (2, 3, 4)
If any of the other time period games or spinoff have ever been successful, it has been because they were new and different enough at the right time to peak normie interest before they ultimately just fuck off to CoD again.

Stick with Urban combat, preferably with a focus on the Conquest Gametype. Rush is fine but the game absolutely should not be built around it.

>>715694868
anyone who tries to claim they understand the meta or know what is OP in under a month of the game being out I never listen to.

>>715712353
I'm not going to claim either of those things but I will say that scout's gadget being what looks like a deployable motion sensor makes it look like it's designed as a sniper class, and I don't like that. I'm willing to accept recon being playable as a sniper, but it should also be playable as more of a frontline class as well. If his gadget is designed just to keep him safer while he snipes that sucks.

>>715694868
this is such a fucking disgusting amalgamation of 2042's duct taped class system that at this point there's no point in a class system at all
Just add perks, it's clearly what dice is going for

bf3 2.0

>>715712743
fair

>>715712886
Traditional classes died in Battlefield 3
You're decades late to this complaint.

>>715712896
3.0*
4 was already a better 3

>more ww1
>try a cold war setting
>sci-fi but done right
>anything but modern day
>more light milsim elements and logistics
>no more one man army tanks
>you either drive or man the gun
>no jets

>reloading discards all remaining bullets
>no more magic respawning on teammates or control points
>squad leader and recon can put down a spawn beacon
>control points have big spawn beacons that can be built
>you need materials to build the big beacon
>materials can be called in by commander or dropped by support
>engineers can build

>>715713518
>you need materials to build the big beacon
>materials can be called in by commander or dropped by support
>engineers can build
This sounds incredibly awful.

>>715694868
this nigga's named ruben

>>715691634 (OP)
Make BF 2143, actually lean into the future / sci-fi angle with weapons & vehicles so the game feels different and isn't just another le modern military shooter with different aesthetics on top. I'm sorry, I've had enough "historical" and enough "modern" BF games and I have absolutely no interest in such things any more, especially not some modern BF series rape with Overwatch heroes or whatever the fuck kind of garbage they were last trying to peddle.

Just give me the classic BF formula but with some different guns & vehicles so it feels fresh.

>>715712953
We get it, you're upset that BF3 wasn't a reskin of your favorite BF.

>>715714084
It's not accurate anyway, since 2142 had the same class setup as 3 five years earlier.

>>715691634 (OP)
>remove the ability to pick vehicles
>remove the ability to spawn directly in the vehicle
>remove vehicle customization entirely
>remove skins/operators
>remove weapon progression

there

bump

>>715691836
add mod support and a map editor and you've got a winner..

Gimme some good in-depth character creation so I can breach buildings as Bob Ross.

squad leaders should open mic and the maps are fucking garbage fire whoever makes them into the stratosphere

>>715701050
>Battlefield 6 will be the best selling Battlefield in its history.
As wretched as it sounds this is probably true. They're making notCoD complete with notWarzone and releasing it right when CoDfags are fed up with CoD. Since the game's development budget is over $400 million the advertising budget must also be unbelievably tremendous.
It's going to be another BF1 situation.

>>715691634 (OP)
128 players with potential support to more
Better hz
No specialists
Class locked weapons without universal weapons
Better medic rewards
New modes
BFV shooting
BFV vehicle customization
BFV soldier customization (no female characters)
more free customization
BF1 animations
BF4 movement
Better destruction but actually tuned down from what we seen in bf6 gameplay
Cooler maps with cooler concepts like fight on aircraft carrier, on submarine
Remasters of classic bf3/bf4 maps
Make vehicle hogging harder by introducing a system that lets you check into a vehicle you want and be drafted when its available
Less obnoxious voiceovers
Map and Mission editor

>>715694868
>engineer with svd
i hate this

>>715721432
I didn't care for DMRs in BF4 either. honestly the universal class weapons were kind of annoying

>>715691836
They did that and people hated it.

>>715722548
they've never gone full steampunk, as cliche as that is. Add in some steampunk mecha and it would be kind of interesting

Battlefield 1952 set in the Korean War where you've got WW2-era weapons but players can fly in early helis and jets

>>715691634 (OP)
womyn = no buy

>>715722924
>>715723006
This

>>715691857
>Remove the vehicles
insta buy honestly

>>715691857
>Remove the vehicles

for some actual destructible environments make a nuclear bomb mode
a big map with a nuke in the middle
two teams fight for access to the bomb
you can activate it for your team or deactivate the enemy's countdown
whoever triggers it wins

>>715705512
i miss you section 8

2042 has okay gameplay now, but the ui is just so fucking soulless
and everything has that killing floor 2 plastic look

>>715709726
>>715723519
>>715724248
what? the vehicles are a crucial part of the sandbox gameplay that makes battlefield ffun.

uhh...
class weapon restrictions
medic has a lmg
no universal weapons
that's all

>>715691857
>Remove the vehicles
controversial but yeah i agree
desu thats why close quarters was so good
they should just do that again so people dont get mad

>>715724954
Yeah im not a vehiclefag but you can't have bf without vehicles

Jets can fuck off though. Or maybe not since they're literally playing their own game most of the time and barely ever impact the ground forces.

>>715693784
hovering camping attack heli was absolute cancer, you cant do that with transport heli

>>715694868
healing and ammo being split over the support class could be secretly genius

>>715727702
That's exactly why jets should fuck off. 95% of the time they don't matter and the 5% they do they suck and aren't fun.

>>715728279
>split
The one bag does both simultaneously regardless of specialization.

>>715705939
>Yes, but that was also when the game had a good balance of mass appeal while not being too far down the hill.
BF2 players were also calling BF3 a COD clone when it came out. This discussion always existed. It will happen to BF6 too regardless if it's good or not.

>>715694868
Completely awful, get rid of the named characters first, and start over.

>>715728507
>The one bag does both simultaneously regardless of specialization.
my b, i meant the defib, you have to pick one or the other
(right?? i hope)
its also huge that assault cant be extremely lethal and also be able to revive teammates

>>715691836
think about this
what if ww1 never happened and it just go straight to ww2?
also add magic and shet

>>715691836
A Cold-War gone hot would be my dream Battlefield game

>>715691857
Consoleshitter

>>715692096
You just need to make them not control so arcadey, same with helis, people fly them around like 2 lbs drones. Give them actual flight physics and watch all these sweaty faggots just slam into the ground.

>>715721157
>128 players with potential support to more
>Better hz
This is why they won't go 128, 2042 had 20 hz servers due to 128 player count. BF4 had 60 hz servers.

>>715728776
The class gadget is a freebie, you have it no matter what. You pick any two gadgets from the list to the left of it to bring with you as well. The reason the defibs are marked off is because they're already in his third gadget slot.

>>715727701
Vehicles are fun. Just make a separate game mode, you've always been able to do this at least when servers were hosted by the playerbase

>>715694868
Support + sniper rifle
just keep healing and giving yourself ammo so if you don't one shot his ass he will stay in his camp spot forever.

>>715727237
kino

>>715691634 (OP)
Copy bad company 2. People don't want a vehicle combat vidya with infantry, People want an infantry combat vidya with vehicles.

>>715698393
this

>>715735036
>no jets

ew.

>>715734878
>Chudhammer

No thanks battlefront 3 is better than whatever warhammer adjacent chud slop is made

>>715691634 (OP)
The game will be mid at launch, the development has lacked the direction and talent, and especially the commitment that made the best BF games great. People who can't play against vehicles have been heard, people who refuse to play on 90% of maps have been heard, people who care more about balance than overall gameplay have been heard, people who bought skins have been heard, and it means maps will be few and small, vehicles will be dumbed-down toys, gameplay will lack variety and no gameplay decisions, play style decisions- simply won't matter. And we'll have a ton of paid skins and paid unlocks obviously. Yes there's been extreme mismanagement of the franchise, it's why we can't have nice things, but a lot of this stuff is just the retards of the fanbase focusing on the most braindead little complaints and hammering away at them for years. Democracy is a joke.

To answer OP's question, it's too late, but I'd focus on the things that make battlefield unique, just big maps and vehicles and dynamic changing maps(stuff like vehicles being locked out of areas and then being 'let in' as the game goes on, stuff like breakthrough/Rush) and the polish and iterative building-on-what-works that this series SHOULD have at this point. I'm so fucking sick of 'most ambitious one yet guise' and 'new ways to play' when it's been this series for years that just can't seem to play at its strengths.

Play Delta Force Hawk Ops and admit China is taking over gaming

>>715735318
>No jets
Based. Battlefield only work with WW1/2 planes. Jets simply ruin the game when the game design has to accommodate it

>>715735525
Just admit you can't afford more than two games a year

Its amazing at how casual and CODlike the fanbase has gotten to the point you niggas ask for no tanks and its praised. I could tell something was wrong when the only mode you trogs gravitate to is Rush/Breakthrough you simply crave the dopamine of killing people in choke points or instant action.

Its even crazier since over the years they made squad spawning easier instead of it only being a squad leader, they made entire "CQC DLC", maps are so large yet people are addicted to kill farming in infantry only maps. Is this how BF2/2142 niggas felt over bad company 2 or BF3/4?

>>715735743
part of the problem is that combined arms in FPS usually fucking blows, they keep just making it a power fantasy for the one guy who wants to learn how to use a vehicle and if they ever make it less effective they bitch and moan until it's fixed

if operating a vehicle required team coordination it would be cool but there's always the planes and tanks in BF games that let one guy go 120/0 while everyone else is trying to play flags

I enjoyed the OST made by the icelandic gal. I respect it as an experimental study about warfare. It just not suitable for a commercial mass consumed product.

>>715735743
>Is this how BF2/2142 niggas felt over bad company 2 or BF3/4?

Yes we literally told you years ago, but nooooo ONLY IN BATTLEFIELD *SHITTY DUBSTEP* I LOVE JACKFRAGS AND SHIT BRITISH BATTLEFIELD YOUTUBERS EPIC RENDAZOOK MOMENTS LE COD SUCKS WE ARE SUPERIOR SOLDIERS!!!!

>>715694868
>You play as pre-established characters
Yeah, I just simply won't be playing this

>>715735743
>Is this how BF2/2142 niggas felt over bad company 2 or BF3/4?
Yes. The battlefield franchise died with 2142. Bad Company 2 was a good game in its own right though.

>>715735743
Yes, the BF6 leaks look like they are trying to recreate the "hype" around Modern Warfare 2019s reboot in general. The animations, the inclusion of a F2P BR, the operator milsimp slop.

Battlefront 2 is pretty neat but I hate some of the heroes

>>715735890
They keep making the same fucking mistakes in each new battlefield game. There's ALWAYS some vehicle that is OP if you have just one or two guys in the back repairing it 24/7 and it takes 6 months before they remember that they need to either make it impossible to repair vehicles in flight or nerf the repair rate until everyone lands and disembarks.

>>715735743
Bad Company was less offensive because it was clearly intended to be a spinoff IMO.

>>715735743
I think its more to due to the fact they figured out leaning more milsim would have result in the games being flops so they focused on casual fun appeal more

>literally any setting but modern day, I loved the idea of near-future ace combat shit in 2042 but they shat the bed, if they're not willing to try that again then alt history, future warfare, or at some point in the past
>high playercount again, this is the big retarded war setpiece shooter they should try to get it right
>biiig maps, do something like huge breakthrough maps with multifaceted objectives and lots of spectacle- and stop it with the absurdly flat killing field maps they're terrible
>do more than four classes again and larger squads to match the larger playercounts
>introduce some genuinely interesting gadgets like the finals has, also people setting up ladders and shit to attack an objective or building a bridge on the map to make attacking a point easier is a winning idea
>absolutely no heroes
>modding and dedicated server support day one
>vehicles also generally require crews to be effective, you can have light tanks/planes that are one-man but they need to be SERIOUSLY FLAWED compared to the crewed fighters and tanks, no BFV greyhounds again

idk

>>715735743
>I could tell something was wrong when the only mode you trogs gravitate to is Rush/Breakthrough you simply crave the dopamine of killing people in choke points or instant action.
Conquest is boring unc.

>>715736964
>>715735890
The "problem" with the vehicles is that they're too fucking tanky to AT weapons. It always takes multiple ATGMS to kill a tank in one of these games. This means that one guy who doesn't completely fucking overextend and has a repair kit can just troll the map forever until he gets blown up by a plane or some mad lad with a C4 suicide jeep.

Make the tank damage models more like War Thunder. If something has the firepower to defeat the armor and damage the crew compartment then the tank is dead in basically one fucking shot.

>>715735743
Modern BF players have low attention span and they want to turn the series into CoD without admitting it.

>>715691634 (OP)
Battlefield has always sucked at doing team work because there's no selfish player incentive. Pressing 3 to drop a medbag for a teammate simply isn't fun and every BF game has been terrible at creating cooperation between players. There's no reward beyond points and players care way more about their KDR than some stupid points on the leaderboard.

Classes only having one weapon type or maximum of two is similarly silly. It's not done for muh realism or for muh gameplay but half the time its done because it's "tradition." Its effects on gameplay wind up making one class the go to (whoever has assault rifles). The other result is that depending on the map and the ranges of engagements, one class usually gets screwed the hardest (whoever gets stuck with SMG's) and another class super powerful (snipers) on long range maps. The inverse ends up happening on CQB maps. You can see this most clearly in Battlefield 1/2 and from what I hear V as well

^ guy who whose first BF is 4

>>715737404
Tank would be pretty balanced if they just adjust the repair rate to be reasonable.

>>715737658
Exactly. These kids grew up on Twitch clips and kill montages, they don't have the patience for map control, team play, or even understanding what the fuck an objective is. They want to respawn in 3 seconds, slide cancel into a hallway, and rack up a 3.5 K/D with zero impact on the actual match outcome. Battlefield used to be about the big picture-now it’s just a glorified TDM with flags.

>the perfect conquest map
>Never get used again

>>715738972
Forgot pic

I only played BF One and loved that shit, and a little bit of 2042 and hated it. If we could just have BF1 minus zepplins, trains and warships with modern guns it would be perfect

>>715694868
>pre-established characters per class even with their faces covered up
No.

I wouldn't
I would keep it dead as it's fans starting with Bad Company are pure fucking cancer.

I hope they keep suffering while playing COD like they deserve.

Nothing can save it. They all cry about a server browser even when the game has one[they want matchmaking servers to show in the server browser is the real issue]. They want to look like a faceless grunt just a cog in the machine but they want a scoreboard that singles out every individual player. They also don't want too many players in the server because it feels like they can't contribute to winning or losing as a single person.

2042 gave so many ways to contribute and play the game that are not just mindlessly running at an objective and holding m1. But needing to use a transport to get between objectives is too much. The perfect map for today's battlefield player is a super market and every 2 isles would be an objective.

>>715738721
A lot of shooter games fuck up with having a mentality that anti-air/anti-tank weapons should be a "deterrent." They interpret "deterrent" in that the weapon can damage the enemy and eventually force them to withdraw to repair instead of just loitering over the battlefield all game.

In War Thunder, anti-air deters aircraft with the threat of INSTANT DEATH. Granted I must admit that some of the aircraft vs anti-air balance is fucked up at higher matchmaking brackets because fire and forget smart weapons outrange the SPAA. At lower brackets noobs tend to not know how to lead their shots and/or shoot at too great of a range. But for the most part planes just instantly die if they get hit by anti-aircraft fire. That's how you DETER things. Not with a mild annoyance, but with a significant threat that they want to avoid.

>>715735743
>Is this how BF2/2142 niggas felt over bad company 2 or BF3/4?
Yes you stupid cunt, we've been telling you this since the Rush only and Metro/Canals only servers.

Bad Company was at least a spinoff, then the mask was off with 3 and 4.
Anyone who enjoyed 1 and V is a cocksucking retard who shouldn't even be playing anything but ASSFAGGOTS and COD.

>>715739468
But muh K/D
Muh Killstreak
Muh challenge to get the new gadget/weapon

>>715691857
>remove vehicles
Literally the only reason anyone even plays Battlefield

>>715691836
>flashbacks to the autistic screeching and crashouts caused by a woman with a prosthetic arm in the BFV reveal trailer

>>715739765
Pretty sure I can find a Metro/Noshahr TDM server on BF3 easier than a Caspian Border or Alborz server.

>>715691857
Vehicles are mostly cancer in shit like Conquest where you need coordination from multiple people. Rush never felt that bad since there’s less vehicles and the vehicles that are present tend to get blown up quick since you’re basically stuck in one corridor of the map where everyone is aware of its presence.

>>715737821
The reward is helping your team win you dumb faggot. Christ, there is no more immediate reward than having an overwhelming advantage by numbers because you can keep your team alive and supplied.

>>715694868
>Hero classes in 64 player lobbies
idiots

>>715739963
Because you just want COD

>>715739985
Vehicles are only cancer when you have a team of retards and play on normal like a little baby

>>715740129
BF has been big map CoD since BC games desu

>>715739757
Honestly in WT planes are still advantaged at most battle ratings. Especially if the pilot is good. It's just easy to stay mobile and safe. With the right weapons you can kill a lot of opponents. Might even be a serious threat head to head vs SPAA since those are usually unarmored or only lightly armored. But planes are fragile, and if they do get hit then they often die. Especially if they were in the middle of a dive bombing run when they lose control of an elevator or a wingtip. Even planes like the A-10 and Su-25 are fragile things.

>>715739796
The BFV controversy was a multitude of problems all crashing into each other at the same time, it's just that "female soldiers" was the big takeaway that ended up being the least of the problems. And at the end of the day, it was the one thing that stuck which no one actually cared about at length, versus the wacky cosmetics like teddy bears on your tank and the aforementioned prosthetic arm that the devs cowered out on from the real meat of the backlash.
Meanwhile the fuckers were laughing at twitter outrage in private meetings trying to act high and mighty about beating the primordial chuds-before-it-was-a-term, devs saying shit like "i want my daughter to be able to represent herself in my games" to try to literally use their children as an anti-criticism shield, and doing shit like having a mother and daughter be the heroes of a super fictionalized take of a real operation after all the historical operatives fumbled and died.

>>715740151
Normal isn't the issue
Auto repair retarded shit is, this wasn't an issue with older titles

>>715694868
>Female Engineer

RUCK THE FUCKING JAVELIN, WOMAN

>>715740224
Auto repair only exists on normal

>>715740181
And that's why they all suck
EA just wanted a new COD instead of the tactical military game DICE was evolving the franchise into with 2

>>715739963
its about the same. Theres like five ish servers on PC, one russian one with full rotation, one german one with full rotation, one server dedicated to vehicle whore jet players, and one TDM server thats sometimes populated
>>715740006
>The reward is helping your team win you dumb faggot
nobody cares about winning in a shooter THOUGH. Yeah winning is nice but if in order to win a player has to make sacrifices to their fun (shooting players) then they don't give a damn. The vast majority of people who play casual shooters like BF just wanna frag. When grindhouse maps like metro are the most popular in the series and some players only play to farm ants in vehicles you can tell that's what the majority demographic is.
>>715740285
hardcore comes with its own slurry of problems though. You just trade off on which elements are annoying

>>715739796
'ello old friend :)

>>715740285
I know but that's the thing that completely breaks the game on normal.

>>715740336
>DICE was evolving the franchise into with 2
tbf I think 2142 was a sign that things weren't gonna follow that trend considering the condensed classes

>auto repair
>haven't played a BF game in at least a decade
>"auto repair"
You guys mean flying back to base and landing on a helipad/airfield to "auto repair". Right.

...Right???

>>715707861
Played some BF5. Hearing the women scream in pain when you kill them with a knife makes it a lot more satisfying.

>>715691634 (OP)
>Squad leader only spawning, with big incentives to stick with that group instead of fucking off on your own.
>Fleshed out commo rose with plenty of options; soldiers need tons of voicelines
>Soldiers and commanders talk, shout, and respond in their respective languages.
>Server browser
>Servers are vanilla or can be customized to tweak the rules and settings (knife/pistol only, infantry only, ban one or two specific weapons/weapon types, far more tickets, etc.)
>Fictional setting - Can go crazy with the vehicles, weapons, and map designs like Command and Conquer, 2143, or something
No women soldiers

>>715694868
>classes have names
>female options
Hard pass. Women don't play video games, especially FPS. This shit is unrecoverable.

>>715740430
Nothing about normal makes any sense. Health regen makes medkits worthless, autorepair makes engineers worthless, support is still kind of useful, and recon can't even snipe anyone so they're fucking useless too.

>>715691634 (OP)
Mix of modern hardware in a post apocalypse setting with tanks, some early prototype mechs, dune buggies and horses alike in one game, basically make BF1 mixed with CoD Ghosts aesthetics but make it not suck. That's what 2042 should have been.

>>715740732
Is unironically play it if this was implemented even with shit gameplay. If your game sucks atleast give it some fucking personality. I already know that it’s going to be a boring inoffensive shitheap of a game since there’s 2 fucking females already.

>>715740845
>Nothing about normal makes any sense
Play a real milisim them. Oh wait average BF player lacks the situational awareness required to play a milisim.

>>715740482
They have literally made an Engineer be able to plant their ass inside a vehicle and have things auto-stabilize without needing a tool out, as if they're basically giving health regen to vehicles. It was happening sooner with BF1 where you had to press a button and started doing it manually, but fundamentally the entire activity point of the Engineer is basically pointless; just have one in your squad ride shotgun and hope you don't take a rocket.

>>715741049
Hardcore is already perfect, I don't need extra autism in my video game

>>715739796
I must have been the only person who saw that trailer and although over the top thought it was great for setting up a fucked up alt history WW2. My head canon was the war kept going into the 50s and the war is fought between superpowers, raiders and mercs. But I couldnt stop laughing when they said theyre going for an authentic WW2 game. Wolfenstein 2014 gave me too much hope.

>>715740971
>basically make BF1 mixed with CoD Ghosts
for as much vitriol as Ghosts got, it definitely was one of the cooler looking cod games. It's crazy though how much praise that game gets from the 10 year olds who played it back in the day, still better than the AW nostalgia fagging though
>>715741284
>over the top thought it was great for setting up a fucked up alt history WW2
>base game is mostly the same generic WW2 stuff we get in every shooter
>Expansions lean more into the alt-history with operation downfall and goofy nazi wunderwaffe
>final expansion is a spin on Operation Unthinkable that looks Red Alert now that the allies reverse engineered the nazi space tech
that sounds really cool damn. FUCK YOU DICEEEEEEEEEE

>>715691634 (OP)
Dear EA I will pre order your game if you let me shoot Chinese people with their guns (again).

>>715741284
i was expecting time travel... like maybe as an excuse to mix eras of weapons (assets)

>>715741818
no dice, the closest you'll ever get is if they make North Korean faction

>>715691634 (OP)
Vehicle niggers need to be relegated to their own gamemodes, every battlefield game is ruined by dickheads who should be playing fucking world of tanks or something

>>715741056
>>715740482
vehicles have had auto repair for a while. Since at least BF3. It just took a lot longer than manually repairing it. I should also say that BF3 released fourteen fucking years ago

The ultimate "Battlefield" Experience I want is a Warhammer 40k clone. Which is essentially BF2142 with some tweaks.

Copy Donkey Kong Bananza for destruction. Fully destructible world with the ability to tunnel and change the earth itself, but have sci fi metal that can't be destroyed to allow for some structural bones to the world.

Massive destruction + crazy WH40K inspired firepower = tons of fun for both melee and vehicle combat. You also bring in 3 races, Starcraft Style so that the team you choose is actually wholly unique for that match.

Loop in more interesting melee options. Mixing the use of physical shields and massive power swords with flag pushes could be really fun. Blocking a tank missile with your shield as a muscle bound alien could be nice. Hacking flag cappers into chunks with your laser sword would be fun too.

Ultimately Battlefield games were at their best when you felt like you were committed to a large conflict and there was enough imbalance for amazing runs as infantry or using a vehicle, but enough balance to keep it in check. The XP grind should be deeply minimized or removed entirely because it's already hard enough to balance these games and it gets worse when you have no idea how overpowered each player will be based on their level.

Return to focusing on creative wide scale warfare simulation in a fun setting and forget the Microtransaction addiction loop gameplay of the later series entries.

>>715742305
Shame, I miss hitting these with MRAPs.

>>715727702
This, dogfighting is fun for the 3 minutes you get where you're allowed to live before a dickhead that has a joystick up his ass and went to Top Gun annahilates any fun you may be getting taking out other aircraft. Just stick to choppers as aircraft, honestly. The only game where airplanes had a major impact was BFV because bombers would just strafe respawn areas and get a 10 killstreak. BF1 to an extent I guess

>>715742508
The last one that I touched was bad company 2. Everything since then looked like slop that I avoided like the plague.

>>715694868
Into the trash it goes.

>>715691634 (OP)
>keep cosmetics but give players the ability to turn off if they see them or not
>add better variety of vehicles and more ways for players to counter them effectively
>add more than 4 fucking classes medic, engineer, assault, sniper, heavy weapon, etc
>add back bf5 buildable options and make them global instead of static so users can make FOBs

desu none of this matters since battlefield will follow CODs example which is just following fortnite.

>>715742759
Been playing since Vietnam. Missed out on 1942 and Desert combat. 2 was my favorite, 2142 was fun, BC:2 was good too. 3 and 4 were fine. Didn't play 1, and V's main issues were mainly tied to no dedicated servers, so no community at all. The tank gameplay in V was genuinely interesting compared to the other games but the ability to choose your vehicle (started with 1) fucked the balance pretty hard. You had to angle your shots and shit

>>715691634 (OP)
Women.

>>715742974
>keep cosmetics but give players the ability to turn off if they see them or not
Will never ever be a thing, skins are a status quo and the main things that bring money nowdays. No sane devteam will ever allow togglable visibilty since that defeats the purpose of buying a 30 dollar skin in the first place.
>add back bf5 buildable options and make them global instead of static so users can make FOBs
Sandbag building and site reinforcements were any goddamn use in BFV, half of the players never even realized you could tow AA/AT cannons around. Allowing people to place them everywhere would just be annoying.

>>715691634 (OP)
Literally just make BF3 again in every single way (yes including suppression, nigger) EXCEPT remove jets and make new maps and you're golden

>>715691634 (OP)
>All they have to do is make another bf3/bf4
>Doesn't do it
Are they retarded? They can still have the old systems and still jew out on selling battlepass skins

>>715694868
This looks so much fun I cant wait to pick this game up for $3 in 2 years!

>>715743012
BFV has one of the more fun tank controls but one of the worst flight models ever

but at the end it doesn't matter since the upgrade system for veichles in BFV makes me wanna tear my hairs out.

>>715739796
>make alt history
>make it fake and gay
didn't have to do the 2nd part DICE

>>715743286
>Had the opportunity to buy BF24 for 5 bucks twice
>didn't
Hell, I bought Hardline for 8 when it was way past it's prime yet I can't bring myself to buy it even when it's so cheap

I thought you're supposed to be a grunt in these games. Why are they so hellbent on you playing as super heroes

>>715691634 (OP)
Arcadey realism (crew served weapons, non-combat roles, but done in a fun manner).
Separate vehicle queues.
Full blown BVR combat for aircraft with native HOTAS support.
Prolonged, multi-map operations.

>>715691857
>Remove the vehicles
no, I like blowing them up too much. It's especially easy in bf2042

Also have some more dense maps like in bf1 or v, sick of just open field with a big structure in the middle

>>715743190
>oy vey we need the 30 dollar skins!
yeah this is why I said they were chasing fortnite and COD. Faggots who want skins in their game eventually ruin the game because the identity of the game becomes whatever trash fotm skin has come out.

>>715743741
They should be removed, players need to be forced to engage with the actual game. Far too many people just sit in the spawn menu spamming to get vehicles

>>715701113
>nobody has ever done anything worthwhile with recon at any point ever.
respawn points are OP and can easily turn the tide on almost any map

>>715691634 (OP)
Remaster Battlefield 2, 1942 and 'Nam, bundle them together and call it a day. Boom, gorillions sold.

Make BF2142 style gameplay
Make it GI Joe

>>715691634 (OP)
Nationalize Electronic Arts

>>715743954
>spawn menu spamming to get vehicles
yeah that is annoying, most of the time they then spend their time camping hills.
I like vehicles but they've been imbalanced for the past two bfs. If they're manned by idiots they just insta-die and if they're manned by a full squad co-ordinating they're almost unkillable.

>>715744151
Bf1 was especially bad for this, people would park artillery trucks in their own spawn points ,which you couldnt access as it was out of bounds for you, and just fire into the main map

>>715691634 (OP)
Make BFBC3.
>No more setpiece goyslop, everything is destructible, terrain can now be permanently deformed too
>regular classes
>realistic military uniforms again
>no women

>>715744317
>people would park artillery trucks in their own spawn point
kek I did this for pretty much every map, it is exactly as you say the only thing you had to watch out for was planes as you pew pewed all over the map. Ty Dice, gj on that lmao

Loved the horses too, just spamming grenades all over the place, harrying tanks and chipping down their hp.

I love BF1 precisely because of how badly balanced the game is and the sheer amount of explosions going on at all times.

Step 1: buy a 911
Step 2: stop giving a shit about toys for children such as video games
life is good

I just don't want the CoDification to keep spreading outwards, but it's not stopping any time soon. BF3 and 4 already started the downward slope hard, arguably Bad Company 2 started it first, but players REALLY don't need to be able to do a BF equivalent of omnimovement and aim while diving and leaping around and shit.

>>715744473
You're a fucking faggot but i cant blame you for exploiting a terribly balanced game

>>715744038
God, you could go all out with that aesthetic. Sky's the limit.
>Cobra parachuting onto Ellis Island to steal the Statue of Liberty
>GI Joe assaulting a doomsday Arctic base to stop Cobra's giant death laser.
>Oil Rig into Underwater lair where Cobra is polluting the oceans for the fun of it.

>>715744763
lel I also play pure sniper on bf2042, I just enjoy getting the hatemail. The best period for hatemail was the 360 era though, I'd main grenade launching attachments or dual smgs on COD and get 3 or 4 ragers a day.

I miss one shotting with the Martini Henry on BF1 though, damn the guns felt good on that game despite all the other flaws.

>>715736053
https://youtu.be/Z6YZhgipseU
https://youtu.be/doVmVg3z9X4

>>715744914
I'm glad someone gets it

>>715743954
This is because DICE is retarded and stopped letting vehicles spawn on the map for people to get into for some dumb fucking reason

>>715743836
2042 skins were cool though

>>715701113
>respawn point
>soflam/laser binocs
>pinging enemies on the map for mortars
sounds like you don't know how to play

>>715744038
>>715745386
>>715744914
>ninja class replaces recon
>transforming vehicles
>disguise kit item
>you could have a conra APC that tunnels underground
>natural disasters caused by cobra as a map mechanic
>honest to god underwater combat
>mobile bases act as a spawn and final objective for the enemy team

>>715745513
Are they?

>>715744486
lil bro is larping on an anonymous imageboard

>>715745876
Holy moley

>>715745876
Some of them were.

>>715691634 (OP)
Get rid of the operator bullshit. 4 classes with optional equipment you unlock through the game. Have a couple maps for the snipers to call their own, so they can have their sniper servers. Make the other maps big, but more enclosed and balanced. No micro transactions. No anime skins like cod. Its really not that hard.

>>715745513
Show me a cool one. You posted cringe.

>>715691857
First time in years I've seen a based frogposter.

In theory, vehicles could be fun, but then compensating autists, searching for validation through high-kill games, would screech until the heat death of the universe. They are the most entitled players, every time, without question.

>>715691634 (OP)
Korean War setting. Fuck modern/future war shit.

>>715745963
Carl Brutananadilewski will be featured as a skin in the next BF

>>715744914
Speedy was a good kid man he didn't deserve that

>>715727702
>Or maybe not since they're literally playing their own game most of the time and barely ever impact the ground forces
IF you had a good pilot on BFV you could quite literally kill the entire enemy team without even breaking a sweat since it was so damn easy to actually kill everything, especially on the japanese maps where you had a big open area without cover.

Achi Baba

>>715745876
Jared Leto looking ass

I used to like vehicles but then i played a game of bf4 on operation mortar where my entire team couldnt leave spawn because the enemy team had 2 pilot autists

A similiar realization hit me when i was playing on hammerhead and realized i was spending 90% of my playtime running around or driving around, unless i was at the center 2 points

Big flat maps are lame and boring, attack helis are boring, and jets are boring.

bf1 and bfV took it in a good direction by raping air vehicles and removing infinite ammo.
If bf6 doesn't have ammo limitations for its air vehicles like bfV did then well........... idk. It wont die just because of that, but that would mean it hasn't even progressed past a 12 year old game which would be funny

>>715694868
>united kingdom

>>715692096
5 posts in and the bc2(bf-cod) autists have already chimed in

>>715691857
>Remove the vehicles
then play cod you fucking faggots