Thread 715701048

Name a bigger fall from grace.

>>715701048 (OP)
larian

Mass Effect 1 is their best game

>>715701264
>studio that was never good
how are you so retarded you don't understand what
>fall from grace
means

>>715701048 (OP)
saints row

>>715701048 (OP)
nortubel

>>715701048 (OP)
Blizzard.

Konami.

>>715701048 (OP)
You can probably list every studio EA acquired. Also any studio in the US since 2010 when they started hiring for diversity and forcing all the talent out.

>>715701335
Still probably one of the best Sci-fi RPGs of all time. The soundtrack alone is far better than 2 and 3.

>>715701048 (OP)
Blizzard

Konami, Capcom, Square, Namco, basically any japanese company that was top tier in the past, Bioware had a great peak with Baldur's Gate 1-2 but they didn't make much else of value, NWN 1 and KOTOR 1/2 were fine, Mass Effect and Dragon Age are casualized crap, whatever they made afterwards was dogshit

>>715701048 (OP)
Blizzard
Origin Software
Relic

Any one of those is a bigger disappointment. Bioware wasn't super noteworthy before Masse Effect aside from KOTOR 1 and 2, and barely anyone played those shitty games.

>>715701048 (OP)
Valve

>>715701048 (OP)
they were about to completely dominate the vidya market, but then fucked it up with the xbone and it's been downhill since

>>715701335
>>715701631
>Not even 3 posts and ME1sissies are already insecure posting

Like clockwork.

>>715701048 (OP)
This is where the slop began. Everything after 2002 was abject slop.

>>715701672
>Mass Effect and Dragon Age are casualized crap
Dragon Age and Mass Effect 2/3 were actually their peak by literally all empirical metrics, popularity, critical acclaim, and financial success. Your version of history is tainted by your personal tastes, nostalgia, and preferences. Take a step back and try to be objective about things in the future.

>>715701048 (OP)
All of them
Everything sucks

TORtanic started with them.

>>715701928
>the statistical average of retarded normie opinions is the Objective Truth

>>715701048 (OP)
OP

>>715701264
Larian is a studio that always had middling highs and steep fucking lows. They were never really great.

>>715701335
It's been almost 20 years and I will never get over the fact the ME1 formula was never used again.

I understand the direction Bioware was going with ME2 & 3, but they should have given us orginal fans some sort of spinoff in the style of ME1. Maybe some prequel before humanity was on the galactic stage. Anything. I wouldn't have cared so long as it followed ME1's more open and RPG-like gameplay. I liked driving the MAKO on unchartered worlds. I like the inventory. Simple as.

>>715702063
What I can never understand is that no other studio has made a similar game. The closest we ever got was maybe Outer Worlds but it was first person and shit.

>>715702063
Whats the best way to experience ME1 now? i played it years ago but stopped when i got to Citadel, is legendary edition preferred over OG version?

>>715701994
Their purpose (and the purpose of all game developers) is to make money, they do this by making games people enjoy playing and spending their money on. They were most successful at this when they were making Dragon Age 1 and Mass Effect 2/3. Contrary to your version of history, BG1/2 was not their peak, they had far more success with Mass Effect 2/3 and Dragon Age than they did with those titles. Mass Effect 2 also reviewed better than BG1/2.

You'll need to stop being delusional and face reality at some point.

>>715701048 (OP)
Kotor was their only decent game and even that was mostly a remake of the original trilogy

>>715701048 (OP)
At what point was Bioware ever good?

>>715702334
What a soulless faggot you are.

>>715701928
>they made shitty games that got popular

They are still shitty games

>>715702334
Not sure you should want to argue that financial success = quality product. That road inevitably leads to gacha slop.

>>715702406
You can't like KOTOR and not like Mass Effect too. They're 90% the same games.

>>715702334
guess best games are gachas and other mobile skinner boxes cause they make the most money from retards with no impulse control.

>>715702478
Financial success was only one metric used as it is an strong indicator of success, try to pay attention.

>>715702530
That's one of the reasons why I don't like mass effect that much, kotor itself was basically a remake and mass effect is a remake of a remake.

>>715702235
>The closest we ever got was maybe Outer Worlds but it was first person and shit.
Not to mention comically short and small. I honestly could have endured it all, the jank, the cringe, the "plot", just because it was really the only game in a similar style. But the fact it takes about a couple of hours to finish, and there is about 4 tiny worlds was just a joke. The fact it had no option for a New Game + aswell killed it. No way was I investing time into RPG character whom I could only use for like 5 hours before he essentially got deleted.

>>715702314
Just play OG vanilla. LE does what every remaster/remake does and butchers the art style.

Blizzard went from being the literal apex of the entire industry to being a disgusting machine actively tunnelling out new depths for rock bottom.

>>715701264
Uh, did I miss something? They just had their biggest success.

obsidian
blizzard

>>715702530
KOTOR is an RPG (albeit not that deep), Mass Effect is a TPS with light RPG elements tacked on to it

>>715702564
The greatest computer game ever made aka Deus Ex sold badly, sales are an "indicator of success", it certainly isn't an indicator of quality, i called Mass Effect shit because it is a shit game/series that also had a horrid influence of gaming and specifically RPGs as a whole

>>715702540
>guess best games are gachas
Then your guess is wrong, as gachas rarely review well.

The best games would 1.) Make lots of money for the studio 2.) Reach new heights of popularity of the studio, 3.) Review highly, both professionally and from consumers

>>715701048 (OP)
Blizzard

>>715702837
Nobody would have given a shit about that 'game' if it wasn't a pornoslop dating sim

>>715702910
retard lmao

>>715701631
this. everything EA touches turns into shit.

>>715702968
Oh.
But have you ever noticed that people who say slop like this are the dumbest motherfuckers you've ever met in your life?

>>715702821
And it happend FAST. I personally disliked Mass Effect 2's direction, but it was a good game in what it set out to be. One year later and we had Dragon Age 2, which was fucking abysmal by any metric. Just outright shit. And every game since has somehow been a hundred times worse than the previous one.
Like how the fuck do you make the next two games in DA worse than 2? Or Anthem? WTF? Anthem was a game so bad everyone developed collective amnesia and had the thing basically memory-holed.

>>715702891
>Mass Effect is a TPS with light RPG elements tacked on to it
This. After Mass Effect came out normgroids began calling every game with a dialogue wheel an rpg.

>>715703023
The coomer is big mad I insulted his porn
Embarrassing

>>715701048 (OP)
CDPR

>>715701547
Pretty much could've named the guys behind it as they also made Descent, FreeSpace, Red Faction, and Summoner back in their heydays.

>>715703071
Fuck, meant for >>715701048 (OP)

>>715702891
>The greatest computer game ever made aka Deus Ex sold badly,
Then it is not the greatest computer game ever made now is it?
The greatest game would make lots of money, review very highly, while also being wildly popular.

Minecraft and GTAV are much better contenders for the title of 'greatest computer game ever made'.

>>715703092
Geez, is that all you've got?

>>715703023
cum obsessed faggot

>>715701048 (OP)
And it happend FAST. I personally disliked Mass Effect 2's direction, but it was a good game in what it set out to be. One year later and we had Dragon Age 2, which was fucking abysmal by any metric. Just outright shit. And every game since has somehow been a hundred times worse than the previous one.
Like how the fuck do you make the next two games in DA worse than 2? Or Anthem? WTF? Anthem was a game so bad everyone developed collective amnesia and had the thing basically memory-holed.

>>715702992
I accept your concession.

>>715702910
You’re still wrong comparing the financial success of a niche, PC only D&D game from early 2000 to mass market console slop from 2010+ aimed at the widest audience possible and acting like that says anything about game quality

>>715701709
>Bioware wasn't super noteworthy before Masse Effect aside from KOTOR 1 and 2
underage b&

>>715701335
Look, ME 1 is up there as one of my favorite games of all time, but even I can say that it's definitely not Bio's best work.

In terms of writing both Kotor 1 and 2 surpassed ME 1. If we are to be real about it, the pivot to fps action was the beginning of Biowares move from rpg storytelling towards normies slop.

>>715703138
>hurr durr look at me im a retarded faggot
go away retard

>>715701645
THIS
Nothing can be comparable to how they shat themselves.

>>715702821
Everyone seen the changes after WOTLK/Cata during WOW. If you stayed any longer after that it was purely because they were attached to the game and couldn't let go.

>>715703138
>GTAV
>greatest computer game ever
holy fuck, its not even the best GTA game

>>715703234
Its okay, you just lost an argument on the internet, this isn't a reason to be upset.

>>715703224
>Fps
Meant tps

>>715703298
learn english before responding to me pajeet

>>715703138
I'm not a game journalist nor do i invest in game companies so Deus Ex remains the greatest computer game ever made, GTA V isn't even a computer game since its made for consoles and for a console game its pretty mediocre, Minecraft is a computer game but also a very shitty one, i could barely call it a videogame before they added some kind of natural progression, the gameplay is still pointless sandbox garbage.

>>715701816
>how dare you have tastes that are different than mine
go back faggot

>>715702063
>they should have given us original fans some sort of spinoff in the style of ME1
Here you go, bro.

>>715703138
By your dumbass nigger tier logic, Bieber is superior to Mozart.

Did Westerners legitimately become retarded or something after 2012? Genuinely what the fuck happened, did the sun start pumping out retard rays or something and these niggas just sucked that shit up?

>>715701645
Why is this uppity negress swinging a lance like a sword?

>>715701264
He said fall from grace, not ascending to deity status

>>715703407
Andromeda?
The only ever released a pre-alpha demo of it.

>>715703407
Nta but Andromeda is not in the Style of ME1. I want the 70s scifi aesthetics of the first game.

>>715703438
Yeah 2010-12 when they started pushing diversity/inclusion and LGBT etc.

>>715702235
We finally have two new Mass Effect clones in development: Exodus and The Expanse.
Neither of them seem to have aliens though.

>>715703283
While GTAIV reviewed slightly better (97vs98) its sales were much lower and didn't remain popular nearly as long. We have to take a holistic approach and weigh each metric. A game which sells a lot of copies but doesn't review well isn't great, because people will feel burned and won't stick around for your next installment, just like a game which reviews well but fails to sell isn't great because then your studio can't continue to make games of this caliber.

Greatness comes from hitting all metrics of success at once.

>>715701048 (OP)
Blizzard for sure.

>>715703438
The world ended on Dec 21 2012. We've been in a hell ever since, except satan was replaced by a representative of the lgbt+ community.

>>715703545
>The Expanse.
I am cautiously optimistic for this. Love the expanse universe and praying that they won't fuck it up (but they probably will...)

>>715701048 (OP)
That, if only because they're still alive and not shut down when they fully deserve to be shut down.

>>715701048 (OP)
Capcom

>>715701048 (OP)
Ubisoft, Activision, blizzard and every company owned by EA.

>>715702837
that's just dumb bait.

>>715703535
>Yeah 2010-12 when they started pushing diversity/inclusion and LGBT etc

I realised that to be able to push that and other liberal normatives in narrative, means the author has to forgo self critique, and thus the work becomes propaganda.

They can't critisise those ideals, because they're an innate double think, and thus the concept collapses with scrutiny.

That was the thing with Mass Effect 3. They said, "These characters are gay", when it didn't fit into the context of Jack and the Asari and what the writers established.

>>715703545
>Exodus
Never even heard of it, thanks. Looks more Andromeda-ish though but still interesting.

>The Expanse
I'll wait until I see any actual gameplay.

>>715701048 (OP)
>EA wants to purchase your studio
>founders actually refuse
>EA goes around their back to investment firm that was financing Bioware
>buys them out to acquire Bioware
For what it mattered these guys did not want to be a part of EA.

>>715701048 (OP)
EA
you little zoomers dont remember when EA was actually a trusted name in video games

>>715701048 (OP)
Blizzard

>>715703407
As wrong a take now as it was 8 years ago.

>>715703410
Really? Since when was Bieber rated higher than Mozart amongst professionals?

You keep making these knee jerk reactions and misguided analogies, yet deep down you know I speak the truth, and it upsets you.

>>715703556
>the game doesnt matter to me
>only what normies think about it matters to me
Pure NPC moment.
Way to tell everyone ITT you have no inner monolouge.

>>715702564
So you just wanna go down the road to gacha slop, okay then. Have fun with that.

>>715703794
>as it was 8 years ago.
I hate getting old, time literally flies by

>>715702968
>>715703717
The game sold like gangbusters and won every GOTY award possible.
Pronoslop dating sims are what the people want apparently and Larian gave it to them.

>>715703827
Nice pipul.
But by 2/3 of your retarded nigger metrics.
Bieber surpasses Mozart.
>more popular
>more sales
Stop trying to be clever when you have an IQ of about 85.

>>715702968
The game is amazing even without the "pornoslop" that you're talking about. It's not even like 0.1% of the game you fucking retard. I love how much BG's success angers people.

>>715703827
And the moving of the goalposts begins. You had your own logic repeated back to you, and suddenly you realized how fucking stupid it sounded. Just bow out with some grace, there is still time.

>>715703998
And other lies shills tell people

>>715703827
funny how you can't even believe your own bullshit lmao

>>715703438
Westerners were always second rate compared to the japanese regarding videogame development, the 7th gen pretty much made both japanese and western games equally terrible and the industry didn't really recover from that time, i'd say some things got better (like how they started making RPGs again, though BG3 put the genre towards a bad direction again) and some got worse (many good game genres are basically extinct while the shittiest ones thrive) but its still as crap as it was overall

>>715703786
That basically never happened, EA was always first and foremost a publisher, the games they developed themselves were nothing special, even their sport titles were often not good, PES/ISS alone made Fifa irrelevant for like a decade

>>715701048 (OP)
/v/

>>715704072
>>715704028
>>715703950
>Bieber surpasses Mozart.
Yet he doesn't rate higher, so again he isn't greater. The greater artwork would achieve all 3 simultaneously. Sorry if this hurts your feelings, but you need to face reality.

>>715704229
See>>715703950

>>715704267
see >>715704229

>>715704229
So according to your own logic Mozart is not better than Bieber.
You fucking moron

>>715704229
>and the goalposts move once more
Just stop.
You've been proven an utter retard, who can't even stick to his own retarded logic. Now please just go.

>>715704291
>>715704229
See>>715703950

>>715704229
No I said
>funny how you can't even believe your own bullshit lmao
kinda funny how you proved my point again retard

>>715704371
Where? Bieber doesn't rate higher than Mozart. I remain unchallenged.

>>715703890
It's less about getting old(though it still plays a part) than you wasting your time. Years may pass by and you hardly notice if you never do something truly memorable.

>>715701048 (OP)
[insert any western legacy studio here]

all of them have been rotted out by dumb opportunistic activists and greedy corpos
its an irony to watch what they have done to themselves and how they are scrambling to save any bit of grace they got left now

>>715704229
bieber could write symphony no. 40 in g minor
but mozart could never write girlfriend
think about it

>>715704357
shit bieberbros what do we do now?

>>715701335
too bad dean takahashi didnt think so
you can thank him being one of the reasons for them dumbing down the subsequent sequels for you

>>715704534
By your own claim he does.
Now, your only defense comes down to either
>i was only pretending to be retarded
or
>pipul.exe =>"move-goalpost"
Continue to pick 1 and further humilate yourself.

>>715704659
just keep winning I guess?
shame mozart sucks so much

>>715704203
The internet as a whole

>>715702334
>You'll need to stop being delusional and face reality at some point.
you have to be fucking dumbass to believe these review scores point blank like this

>>715704659
Nice pipul.
>baby by bieber
>3.4 billion veiws

>>715701048 (OP)
bioware was never good.
all your memories of bioware was just your teen self masturbating over bioware romances.

>>715704706
Mass Effect 1 had dumbed down an entire genre already, just like Oblivion did, just like Morrowind did.

>>715704952
you sound so retarded lmao
what did morrowind dumb down?

>>715701645
what the fuck

>>715704778
Goalpost was always 3/3, best you can do is 2/3. Again go back to >>715701928

Popularity
Critical acclaim
Financial success

Unchanged, unchallenged, unbroken.
You? Wrong, and seething.

>>715705059
by your own logic Justin bieber is better than Mozart.
You are literally a retarded mongoloid

>>715701048 (OP)
Blizzard

>>715705059
He chooses
>pipul.exe =>"move-goalpost"
And continues to humilate himself further.

>>715701048 (OP)
Blizzard

>>715704952
that may be
it still doesnt change that the sequels became further diluted and less complex partially due to one asshat pseudo pro gaming journo who didnt even bother to take his time to understand the underlying system
we all paid for his incompetence

>>715705102
>>715705128
Wrong. (and seething)
He lacks the critical acclaim of Mozart. 2/3 is not 3/3.

>>715703224
What about DA:O?

>>715705059
>>715704779
why do you think beiber is better than mozart?

>>715705176
By your own logic. mozart has 1/3 and beiber has 2/3
you are literally a fucking retard. good job not being able to follow your own logic dumbass

>>715701335
You mean 2.
>best squad
>Loyalty missions
>Suicide Mission
>Lair of the Shadow Broker

>>715705176
He chooses
>pipul.exe =>"move-goalpost"
And continues to humilate himself further.

>>715701645
>>715701589
>>715705139
Blizzard is saved by the fact that they don't really develop games. Yes the expansion packs are wrong in every way but as long as the core gameplay and raids are fine, WoW will endure. Diablo 4 was financially successful I believe although I didn't play it. And the rest of their games are on live support. If they ever attempt a completely new game like Overwatch that's when the real fuck up will occur but they won't.

>>715704984
Basically everything that was considered common in RPGs at the time, leveling, interactions with characters, combat, dungeons, quests, dialogue, it lowered a lot of people standards, it is a bad videogame in general but as a roleplaying game its even worse since there are no meaningful choices to be made.

>>715705273
Oh, I see where you're messing things up, you think each metric has equal value.
Metric1: A101 vs B100, A > B
Metric2: A101 vs B100, A > B
Metric3: A10 vs B1000, A < B

By your logic A is greater than B because 2/3, but by my system the answer is unclear unless all three metrics are greater. Try to pay attention in the future before making such silly errors.

>>715705520
good job not answering my question retard

>>715701048 (OP)
It was only a fall from grace because too many faggots overrated Bioware's games. If people had kept level heads and actually judged the works appropriately the fall would not have been far, and it would not have been a surprise. Bioware has always had mid writing, mid graphics, mid mechanics, and jank that would not have been acceptable in any other games called 8s, 9s, and especially 10s.

>>715705553
Ah, I see where you’re messing up — you're treating all metrics as binary pass/fail without considering magnitude or weighting. Not all metrics are created equal, but that doesn’t mean the only valid conclusion is “unclear” unless every single one favors A. That’s not analysis, that’s paralysis.

You’re basically saying if one metric drastically outweighs the others, it doesn’t matter — which is exactly the kind of “silly error” you warned about.

Try applying nuance next time. It’s free.

>>715705285
And boy howdy how I loved baby's first third person cover based shooter! Getting to walk into yet another square room, and deal with 3-4 waves of 3-4 enemies for the uptillionith time! So fucking great /v/ros!

>>715703754
It would've been someone else eventually. Problem from purely creative standpoint is these people fall into that "with more financial security we can realize dream projects we wanted all along!" trap without realizing they come with strings attached.

>>715705717
Yes. It makes you feel like a sci-fi commando leading a squad in battle.

>>715701048 (OP)
While not bigger but surely on the same level
>blizzard
>obsidian
>bungie
>DICE

>>715705665
>—
Hi ChatGPT

>>715705553
See>>715705665

>>715705831
see >>715705829

>>715701048 (OP)
There isn't one. Anyone saying anyone else don't realise how truly great baldurs gate 1&2 and nwn were

>>715705829
Is that who you get to tell you you're not a complete retard? lmao

>>715705890
See>>715705470

BioWare's fall from grace was swift, predictable and honestly average in trajectory. The real mystery is why they, of all devs, have managed to stick around as long as they have. BioWare is shambling proof that perhaps being banished to the EA graveyard is a preferable fate to avoiding it. As Pet Semetary put it, sometimes dead is better.

>>715705942
Nwn 1 has a very middling main story, which no one gives any fuck whatsoever because it was sold as "you can play any D&D character you can think and with our editor go into any dungeon you can make", the main story was barely touched upon. I have a large fondness of nwn but let's not pretend it was a masterpiece. The extensions were a bit better.

Dragon Age 1 has unironically a far better main story, and even that I'd call a 7.5/10 at the very best.

>>715702564
>McDonald's makes the best food according to sales numbers
As someone who owns a business, thank god you exist. You should buy water products for your house.

>>715704779
>the power of 700k white girls listening to your song on repeat
Me but with iron maidens the trooper when I was 13.

>>715707573
Wow, you completely missed the point, good job.

>>715703224
>Kotor 1 and 2
Interestingly, no one outside severely neet'd US millennials give a shit about that boring as shit series.

>>715707804
Lmao, are you still going? You lost. Go home buddy.

>>715708019
>Still seething she lost
lol, go cry to ChatGPT for help again.

>>715701048 (OP)
Blizzard, easily

>>715707912
I'm a not neet'd European millenial and I remember playing Kotor 1 and 2 at launch.

Kotor 1 was plenty fun. I remember the slap at the end of the tuto and also for some reasons the two bests lightsabers crystals were inside a small space station just before the last mission, which I always found weird. All in all I had a blast with it.

Kotor 2 had some better environment but was fucked over by an incoherent rushed ending and Kreia who interrupted me every five minutes to spout at me some weird philosophy I gave no fucking two shits about, ending up with her betraying me because "it's for your own good to learn the essence of betrayal which comes from the absence of strength, strength is peace, betrayal is the fundation of strength, I'm doing you a solid" or someshit. But Kotor 2 had slave lia bikinis as outfit some that's a +

>>715703449
Better question: where did it disappear between cuts?

>>715701048 (OP)
Blizzard

>>715701645
This is why women shouldn't be allowed anywhere near game development.

>>715701048 (OP)
All of Western AAA gaming. For crying out loud, companies like EA, Bethesda, Ubisoft, and Blizzard just take turns and swap places every few months for who is the most disgraced and hated.

>>715701048 (OP)
Bungie

>>715701645
Meanwhile in an MMO on the PS2...

>>715704158
>EA was always a shit pub
>the Sims
>medal of honor
>command and conquer
>SSX
>nightfire and agent under fire
>black and white
>simpsons hit and run (roadrage to a lesser degree)
>freedom force
>some pretty good Harry Potter games

EA didnt turn to shit until after 2008. They were always hated for nuking bullfrog. Casual vs hard-core was much more of a thing in this time and most of their critics disliked them made mostly casual games.

>>715701335
peak art direction
cyberpunk in 2 was good too, 3 just completely devolved into conventional scifi
starfield sort of went for this retrofuturistic scifi vibe too, but the game itself is way too dogshit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edVznYyqpJU

>>715706519
>why they, of all devs, have managed to stick around as long as they have
Even at Dragon Age 2 stage the entire studio should have been questioned.

>>715701048 (OP)
why do they even still exist, they clearly can't make a decent game anymore. it's been like 15 years now

>>715705285
2's combat was the worst of the trilogy
>what's that? The first game had dozens of variants for each weapon type? No, you get 2 (3 if you purchase the DLC) and we won't tell you any weapon stats, just use the newest one
>also here's a janky combat system with cover that doesn't work properly. Enemies will shoot through their own cover and hit you behind yours
>also, fuck the Mako, we're giving you a hovercraft that you can't leave, and instead of a cannon and machinegun that require skill we're giving you a auto-lock missile launcher so you can just spam the shoot button without aiming. No it won't have a health bar, it will just catch fire and blow up if you're hit
>also we've taken away your mini map for no reason, but don't worry, we're going to railroad you during missions. Wouldn't want you to explore the environment or anything
1>3>2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>andromeda

>>715709570
Still absolutely pisses me off that they didn't bring FF11 to EU on PS2. I guess around that time I was playing Monster Hunter anyway and on/off some other online games like Champs of Norrath and Outbreak.

>>715710132
kek you can take nearly all those titles and EA bought and trashed nearly every studio that made them.

>>715709570
I love FF11 so much it's unreal

>>715701264
in what fucking world you retarded zoomer
go and play divine divinity, they were always like this

>>715701264
FPBP

>>715701048 (OP)
There isn't a single good bioware game

>>715709570
Kino. I'm a LOTRO chad and I have to kneel, LOTRO cutscenes are terribly animated