Why there is no more compelling fantasy anymore - /v/ (#715719545) [Archived: 296 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:50:33 PM No.715719545
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I believe the modern writer does not know how to write fantasy because their lives are filled with allegory. Thus they cannot write ANY quantity of quality immersive material, be it a book, a game, a movie..., because their lives are constructed to see only the fine brick and mortar.
Tolkien hated allegory because sci-fi is allegory; scifi is an idea/ideology that is abstracted in such a way that it is imagined to be fantastic. Fantasy rarely if ever wants to touch real life subjects because it's not the point: it's fantastical elements have no breeding ground with allegories.
Ultima is not an allegory because it's ideology is not persuasive. It does never care (and when it cares it only cares for the prettiness of the story and never to make a real life point) and you shouldn't care either. But 'someone' is bound to care because they didn't get the memo and now we have fruitless discussions plenty.
Fantasy is ultimately conservative while scifi is recursive, but 'some people' DON'T GET IT!
>if mods delete this i'll post this on /lit/ or something
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 6:05:27 PM No.715720658
Idgaf lil nigga. I like The Witcher. I love killing monsters unc. I love killing mfs lil bro. I love fucking bitches cuh
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 6:08:13 PM No.715720837
>>715719545 (OP)
I've noticed that a lot of fantasy is trying to be different for the sake of being different. Like they don't want to be compared to Tolkien or Warhammer so they get weird and usually it's not the good kind of weird.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 6:12:32 PM No.715721142
There's no compelling fantasy anymore because the only people who want to write AND get hired to write are college graduates without any life experiences worth talking about. They write what they know which isn't much. Modern fantasy then resembles the daytime girl television it is based on.

Good fantasy like all good writing requires extensive real world experiences to judge, examine and create interesting characters. Using Deus Ex as an example, the villain Walton Simmons is more than just Bad Guy; he truly believes what he is doing is right and that the player/aligned allied NPCs have no right to interrupt his plans for world security. A lesser writer would have just made him an annoying misogynist or omitted all the lines where he discusses his personal philosophy.

And this goes for worldbuilding too. Worldbuilding is done by separate level design teams that don't talk to the writing team, so the world while functional always feels generic and sterile. The disconnection between both is then further broken by the gameplay which is usually in service of gacha or p2w crap.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 6:16:02 PM No.715721437
>>715719545 (OP)
It's because people believe that the world is intrinsically evil and permanently malicious, and cannot fathom a setting where ideals are not destroyed, and outcomes not undesirable, bar their specific plot that allows you to break from the chains of the wretched world, or those diabolical hordes of propagandists who insist that not only would all fantasy be like our world's degenerated state, but it would be more degenerated, and that would be good. People, us normal people, are not hopeful, we expect the world to always be deceptive and malicious, and not as some one single evil being but as every single one being evil. They view the world as chupacabras, skinwalkers, vampires, ghouls, lepers, vagrants, and invalids, and say "yes, I am one amongst them, and no other options are available".
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 6:31:56 PM No.715722691
>>715721437
Netflix seems to have done massive damage to everyone's perception of reality.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 6:33:45 PM No.715722825
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>>715721437
>not as some one single evil being but as every single one being evil.
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 6:34:23 PM No.715722868
>>715721437
Idk man. Yall are pieces of shit so they may be right. The only good people are probably cute nuns that molest little boys
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 6:37:05 PM No.715723096
you retard
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>>715722868
>Yall
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 6:38:54 PM No.715723232
>>715723096
scholarSCHOLAR... I kneel...
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 6:39:51 PM No.715723303
orcs are blacks because they're both stupid violent subhumans
>>715719545 (OP)
ok but how can we cram niggers and modern day politics into fantasy and make it natural!?
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 6:43:00 PM No.715723526
>>715723303
add a slave caste of humans.