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Anonymous No.715720497 >>715720547 >>715720634 >>715720698 >>715721113 >>715721728 >>715721750 >>715722793 >>715722923 >>715722951 >>715722961 >>715723095 >>715723198 >>715723528 >>715723886 >>715723981 >>715726995 >>715730745 >>715731523 >>715732289 >>715733868 >>715734729 >>715735723 >>715736684 >>715737103 >>715741785 >>715741906 >>715742021 >>715742437 >>715749496 >>715750140 >>715752014 >>715752530 >>715752584 >>715755309 >>715756497 >>715757202 >>715757232 >>715757714 >>715757853 >>715761965 >>715762626 >>715766072 >>715766864 >>715771026 >>715772975 >>715773676
>japanease jrpg
>angels are the bad guys
Anonymous No.715720547 >>715721113 >>715721185 >>715722039 >>715722951 >>715723021 >>715730745 >>715733868 >>715742021 >>715750140 >>715751694 >>715757232 >>715766113
>>715720497 (OP)
>Angels are actually.......le bad!
Anonymous No.715720592 >>715721113 >>715721185 >>715721750 >>715722039 >>715730745 >>715733868 >>715736823 >>715742021 >>715750140 >>715757232
>demons are actually LE GOOD
>they're just misunderstood
Anonymous No.715720604
malding ameritroon.
Anonymous No.715720634
>>715720497 (OP)
Doom thread?
Anonymous No.715720642 >>715721070 >>715722039 >>715730474 >>715730928 >>715731120 >>715733868 >>715738442 >>715742021 >>715750140
>japanese jrpg
>the church is evil
this troupe again???...
Anonymous No.715720698 >>715722084 >>715741996
>>715720497 (OP)
In Buddhism you're supposed to be friends with demons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkJVvtDIOA8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SctUKtLn8RA
Anonymous No.715721070
>>715720642
Always KINO.
Anonymous No.715721113 >>715721361 >>715734163 >>715734801
>>715720592
>>715720497 (OP)
>>715720547
Itโ€™s mainly because thatโ€™s how it feels like in the Bible
Anonymous No.715721185 >>715722103
>>715720547
>>715720592
literally doom ancient gods, for some reason.
Anonymous No.715721254 >>715723896
>The final boss is.... the pope!
Anonymous No.715721361 >>715721526 >>715722456 >>715723553 >>715723895 >>715729123 >>715742156 >>715745413 >>715750140
>>715721113
>how it feels in the bible
>bible is full of demons rebelling, possessing people, destroying lives and generally being unlikable cunts
What did he mean by this?
Anonymous No.715721526 >>715721862 >>715721906 >>715736348 >>715762246 >>715773089
>>715721361
>demons rebelling, possessing people, destroying lives and generally being unlikable cunts
So why did God make them?
Anonymous No.715721565 >>715722039 >>715735951
>DEMONS GOOD
>ANGELS BAD
Why is this so common with Japs?
Anonymous No.715721675 >>715721990
kike seething
Anonymous No.715721728 >>715723067
>>715720497 (OP)
>make game
>want to make your game stand out a bit more
>make the villain(s) something that would normally be associated with good
You see this from non jap rpgs too. Solasta's plot focuses around evil shapeshifting lizards, Pillars of Eternity is an atheists wet dream, Wrath of the Righteous makes demons be the bad guy but also gives you the choice to redeem them, Divinity Original Sin's plot has a double subversion depending on the final choice you make at the end of the game.
Anonymous No.715721750 >>715749651
>>715720497 (OP)
Most of the ones I've played either have them simply as Order/Holy/Law rather than good or evil, or have them as healing npcs.
>>715720592
Literally Ultima's (WRPG) Gargoyles, they were heavily influenced by it and it bled into future culture. They look like demons from Doom but are just trying to save their race from extinction.
Anonymous No.715721857
Man even in the Bible the angels kill more people than a nuke

I love God, but He that made good creates evil as well
Anonymous No.715721862 >>715722070
>>715721526
How should I know? I'm not God.
Anonymous No.715721906 >>715722169 >>715722610 >>715722847 >>715733868 >>715734384
>>715721526
He didn't they became demons with Lucifer who rebelled because he thought humans are destructive dipshits and Angels shouldn't be forced to bow to them.
Anonymous No.715721990
>>715721675
Kikes don't believe in hell
Anonymous No.715722039 >>715722084 >>715722159 >>715740938
>>715721565
>>715720642
>>715720547
>>715720592
because Japs are clearheaded enough to ask "well wouldn't devils want to disguise themselves as angels to trick people?" while Amerilards never question it
Anonymous No.715722070 >>715776217
>>715721862
Why aren't you God?
Anonymous No.715722084
>>715722039
Wrong
See>>715720698
Anonymous No.715722103
>>715721185
Luv me Doom 'ate the plot simple as.
Anonymous No.715722159 >>715722690 >>715722830
>>715722039
That doesn't make the actual demon looking fuckers the good guys, moron.
Anonymous No.715722169 >>715722650
>>715721906
lowkey this lucifer mofo is onto something
Anonymous No.715722456
>>715721361
Not really, tho. There's a few, like the 'Legion', which Jesus banishes into a herd of pigs that then kill themselves, which is obviously a jab against roman legionnaires. Even the satan character in Book of Job is doing shit with permission from God.
Anonymous No.715722610 >>715722725 >>715733868
>>715721906
That's larp people came up with later and not something that's in the Bible. Divina Commedia and Paradise Lost etc.
Anonymous No.715722650 >>715722758
>>715722169
>need foreign character
>make a stereotype from 30 years ago
I've always found this incredibly endearing
Anonymous No.715722690
>>715722159
How do you know what demons look like? You've been to Hell?
Anonymous No.715722725
>>715722610
In the the Talumd not the Bible
Anonymous No.715722758 >>715722813
>>715722650
didn't mean to relpy to anyone
Anonymous No.715722793 >>715722883
>>715720497 (OP)
Yes Christianity is actually terrible, if you think about it and look at the world right now
Anonymous No.715722813 >>715723768
>>715722758
I'll take any free (you)'s I get at this point
Anonymous No.715722830
>>715722159
>That doesn't make the actual demon looking fuckers the good guys, moron.
how do you know that
Anonymous No.715722847 >>715723075
>>715721906
>oh those people just LE REBELLED
so god isn't omnipotent and anyone can just utterly defy his will with no recourse? good to know
Anonymous No.715722883
>>715722793
That's why Islam will dominate and fix it
inshallah
Anonymous No.715722923 >>715755449
>>715720497 (OP)
No, they aren't.
Anonymous No.715722951 >>715766113
>>715720497 (OP)
>>715720547
Also every anime that touches on the concept of spirituality ever
Anonymous No.715722961
>>715720497 (OP)
Esoteric anti-government philosophy finding an outlet.
Anonymous No.715723021
>>715720547
Yes I believe that was the point of OP.
Anonymous No.715723067 >>715724719
>>715721728
But in PoE gods exist and that's a fact.
Anonymous No.715723075 >>715727228
>>715722847
He gave Lucifer free will and still knew he was going to do it. That's why he didn't destroy him. Lucifer doesn't hate God he hates humans and wants to destroy them all. He corrupts humans as a way to show how retarded they are and need to be extinguished from existence.
Anonymous No.715723095
>>715720497 (OP)
>not one "it's cool" answer
It makes for cool enemies. fighting embodiments of order.
Anonymous No.715723198 >>715723425 >>715742447
>>715720497 (OP)
The jap are smart enough to not fall for abrahamic lies
Anonymous No.715723252 >>715723936 >>715724029
>Final boss
>You have to kill god
Anonymous No.715723425 >>715755259
>>715723198
The Great Mirror of Male Love (็”ท่‰ฒๅคง้ก) by Ihara Saikaku was the definitive work on the subject of "male love" in Tokugawa Era Japan. Was written by a Buddhist monk

Tokugawa commentators felt free to illustrate kami engaging in anal sex with each other. During the Tokugawa period, some of the Shinto gods, especially Hachiman, Myoshin, Shinmei and Tenjin, "came to be seen as guardian deities of nanshoku" (maleโ€“male love). Tokugawa-era writer Ihara Saikaku joked that since there are no women for the first three generations in the genealogy of the gods found in the Nihon Shoki, the gods must have enjoyed homosexual relationshipsโ€”which Saikaku argued was the real origin of nanshoku.

In the pre-Meiji period, nanshoku (็”ท่‰ฒ) relationships inside Buddhist monasteries were typically pederastic. The older partner, or nenja (ๅฟต่€…, "lover" or "admirer"), would be a monk, priest or abbot, while the younger partner was assumed to be an acolyte (็จšๅ…, chigo), who would be a prepubescent or adolescent boy. The relationship would be dissolved once the boy reached adulthood (or left the monastery). Both parties were encouraged to treat the relationship seriously and conduct the affair honorably, and the nenja might be required to write a formal vow of fidelity.

Then there is the fact that the Buddha ever taught all the shit they follow in their version of Buddhism.
Anonymous No.715723528
>>715720497 (OP)
>JRPG
>There's no roleplaying and it's a turn-based tactics game
Anonymous No.715723553
>>715721361
It was the archangel Samael who had God punish Job to test his faith.
Anonymous No.715723768
>>715722813
Have another on the house
Anonymous No.715723886 >>715724230 >>715726423 >>715742050
>>715720497 (OP)
What have angels ever done for us?
Anonymous No.715723895
>>715721361
actually angels aren't demons.
the angels that betrayed God are considered fallen angels.
Demons are considered the offspring between man and angel.
Anonymous No.715723896
>>715721254
Yeah Assassins Creed 2 sucked
Anonymous No.715723936 >>715737890 >>715773208
>>715723252
Yeah, thatโ€™s a real head-scratcher.

This image is an X-ray with motion blur, likely from a medical imaging session where the subject moved their head rapidly during the scan. What youโ€™re seeing is a long exposure composite of several positions of the head during the movement, resulting in a ghosted, doubled, or even โ€œstretchedโ€ appearanceโ€”which ends up looking surreal or monstrous.

The teeth and skull are duplicated and smeared due to the motion, creating that โ€œwhat the hell am I looking at?โ€ vibe. Not a demon or cursed thingโ€”just bad radiology technique or an intentional effect for a laugh.
Anonymous No.715723981
>>715720497 (OP)
go sit on a christmas tree, bitch
Anonymous No.715724029
>>715723252
I liked the twist In SH3 though
Anonymous No.715724230
>>715723886
>atheists: reeeeeeee God isn't real (but I hate Him) and also angels aren't real (but I hate them too), hail Satan (who somehow is real)!
>also atheists: WHAT HAS GOD EVER DONE FOR YOU? HES NEVER DONE ANYTHING FOR ME!!!
Truly a mystery.
Anonymous No.715724459 >>715731946
>mfw moralfags and christfags (vanillafags) are the new bronies
Anonymous No.715724719
>>715723067
There are no gods in PoE, what the world has been referring to Gods are just constructs made by the ancients' suicidal ritual in order to create "perfect" aribiters to maintain and promote their societies values for eternity.
Anonymous No.715726423
>>715723886
Temptations and punishments.
Anonymous No.715726995 >>715733671
>>715720497 (OP)
>Jrpg
>takes place in a High-school
Anonymous No.715727228 >>715727392
>>715723075
>he gave lucifer free will
This is complete head cannon
Anonymous No.715727392 >>715727474
>>715727228
Not in the Koran and Talumd
Anonymous No.715727474
>>715727392
Also in the Koran he isn't a angel but a jinn
Anonymous No.715729123
>>715721361
I'm pretty sure the Angels had a higher body count
Anonymous No.715729532
I love this meme because clearly, a clever demon would just disguise himself as the average persons conception of what an "Angel" looks like. Which happens to be a core theme in the Bible where it is written that Satan "disguises himself as an angel of light".
Anonymous No.715729565 >>715729645
>angels have been deceived for hundreds of years by the the god they sword to protect because he's actually evil
Which game am i talking about?
Anonymous No.715729645
>>715729565
Swore* shit
Anonymous No.715730474
>>715720642
diofield chronicle I am actually playing on xbone.
Anonymous No.715730561 >>715730647
>fallen angels are le bad
>nephilim are le bad
>see jap game use one of these concepts
>why do they le hate angels?
Anonymous No.715730647
>>715730561
Don't tell the neo-zealots what Jesus's ethnicity was.
Anonymous No.715730745
>>715720497 (OP)
>>715720547
>>715720592
It was a kino subversion 30 years ago.
Anonymous No.715730928 >>715731219 >>715734669
>>715720642
Desu the Catholic church is at its coolest when they are being murderschizo inquisitors.
Anonymous No.715731120
>>715720642
they aren't a troupe they are a circus
Anonymous No.715731219
>>715730928
>Alexander
>Felicia
>The entire Belmont Lineage
>The nuns with guns in Black Lagoon
>even in popular stuff like Bayo/DMC, the angels are creations of man (less so in Bayo) that are masquerading as saviors
>"Le final boss is god", trope also applies to this (Kefka, Sephiroth, Lavos, Gigyas)
>Only real example is Shin Megami Tensei
Anonymous No.715731523 >>715731635 >>715731879
>>715720497 (OP)
I've played far more where Holy is either good or at least neutral than any where it's evil. Where the fuck do people even get this shit from? Do they only play FF and MegaTen? Even the biggest non-Pokemon JRPG series, DQ, has you heal at churches.
Anonymous No.715731635 >>715736678
>>715731523
They see gnostic imagery and naughty themes in Eva, and think it's a personal attack. Being a christfag is the new goth.
Anonymous No.715731879 >>715736678
>>715731523
There are like two FF games that actually do church bad and even in those it's just "leadership is infested with demons or liches"
Anonymous No.715731946 >>715732123 >>715732134
>>715724459
>Bronies are 33% of the world's population
Fascinating take, retard-san
Anonymous No.715732123 >>715732412
>>715731946
>world pop
we're talking about on here, triggered protestant. Most christfaggotry here is from reactionary tourists and just people wanting to not be fedora-tipping-redditors so much so, that they become the polar opposite to the best of their ability.
ON HERE, christfags are as vocal and soapbox heavy as bronies were in 2012.
Anonymous No.715732134 >>715732412
>>715731946
>christard reading comprehension
Anonymous No.715732159 >>715732225 >>715742185
Yes cause japs are anti life antihuman bug people that gladly torture and eat each other and do child sacrifice and are literal pedos, it's like weebs never learned the history of Japan
Anonymous No.715732225 >>715732513 >>715732596 >>715742185
>>715732159
+500 social credit
Anonymous No.715732289
>>715720497 (OP)
>western shooter
>jews are the good guys
Anonymous No.715732412 >>715732665 >>715765980
>>715732123
>>715732134
>on here
"On here" doesn't matter. All that matters is the real world, where you're a loser and everything you do is a failure. Meanwhile real-world Christians are successful and happy people, while you'll continue sourgrapesing on a tranny image board until you die. That's what makes you upset the most, I bet.
Anonymous No.715732513
>>715732225
I'm a white American dude and all Asians are cannibalistic bug people. Their women and femboys are hot tho
Anonymous No.715732596
>>715732225
Aren't Japs just as bad with the social credit score and ostracization shit as Chinks though? Really strange to prop one up and attack the other in that way. Unless you're a weeb retard.
Anonymous No.715732665 >>715732996 >>715733370 >>715776297
>>715732412
>On here doesn't matter
Nigger, that's not the point, and you're again proving mine. I don't want people to suffer, and would want them to flourish. What you don't do is posture, ON HERE, cry, ON HERE, and play victim, ON HERE. Because christfags have many places they can go and congregate, the cunny website full of trolls should not be it.
>inb4 some diatribe about how going to Sodom to preach was somehow productive
>inb4 you didn't come here, because you know you're too spergy and degenerate for a church setting
Christfags ON HERE, are failed normal fags.
I love Christians, Christchanners raise an eyebrow.
Anonymous No.715732996
>>715732665
Sorry Anon, you seem okay so I'll chill out. I'm not religious at all, I was just pissed off and venting a bit. Seriously.
Anonymous No.715733370 >>715733558
>>715732665
Christians killed gorillions of people throughout history which goes in stark contrast with Jesus' teachings to "turn the other cheek". Also "flourish" is an un-definable buzzword.
Anonymous No.715733558 >>715734363
>>715733370
NTA but I looked "flourish" up in less than three seconds just to prove that you're retarded.
Anonymous No.715733671 >>715753561
>>715726995
>western middle aged character
>keeps talking about high school
>he once scored four touch downs in a single game in 1966
Anonymous No.715733868 >>715734304 >>715742761 >>715743257 >>715755748
>>715720497 (OP)
>>715720547
>>715720592
The whole concept is mainly based on how SMT is based on Teito Monogateri, which primarily is based on the great disappointment that the Japanese had over Shintoist faith after their Emperor was humiliated and their divine right was destroyed. The concept of befriending "demons" is mainly based on how Japanese demons aren't necessarily beings of pure evil but rather powerful beings who dictate what they do based on their own power. In turn, the Japanese have the whole "rebelling against a higher power" to be emblematic/metaphorical against the Japanese Emperor during and post-WWII. A lot of it is also based on a lot of 60s-70s era edgy Japanese shit that was going on at the time.
Japanese just use Abrahamic imagery because it looks cool and edgy and pisses off Japanese boomers
After SMT, it just kinda got diluted into just following the leader rather than it having a specific significance like it did for SMT and MT as a whole.

>>715720642
The church being evil in Japanese fiction is based on how European history was over-simplified based on Enlightenment lens. It's why you'll rarely get a good historically accurate depiction of European history by Japanese authors unless the author did some actual concrete research

>>715721906
That's Islamic tradition, not Biblical tradition. Biblical tradition is actually very ambiguous about Satan and demons in general. Early Jewish tradition paints him Satan as a more metaphorical figure representing the adversaries you face in life or an angel designed as an obstacle to test you

>>715722610
Not necessarily in either of those. In Paradise Lost, Satan wants to basically just be the one calling the shots. It's only in Islam where the idea of Satan being-assmad about humans and thinking they are filthy lower beings. There's also one interpretation that Satan was half-Djinn, so his thinking came from his own self-loathing and insecurities about his status as a "half-breed" so to speak
Anonymous No.715734163 >>715738236
>>715721113
>Be not afraid.
>ermarghard they're sooo ferking evil
Anon, I...
Anonymous No.715734254
HABEEB IT
Anonymous No.715734304
>>715733868
>which primarily is based on the great disappointment that the Japanese had over Shintoist faith after their Emperor was humiliated and their divine right was destroyed.
Actually, I am hyperbolic slightly. I never read all the books because they are still untranslated (and I hope someone picks it up at some point). But I read up on someone who has, and they pointed out there's a sequence in the WWII that depicted Hirohito as someone who despite being an Imperial authority and holding divine right of rule, he would drink blood and do other demonic things. Which is what makes me think the entire concept that SMT is based on is actually based on the disappointment and disillusionment that the Japanese held over Shinto faith and the teachings of the divine rule of the Emperor post-WWII. But maybe I am wrong here, hopefully someone who knows more could correct me if I am wrong. But it's what makes the most logical sense.
Anonymous No.715734363 >>715734961 >>715773487
>>715733558
No, I'm not retarded. You can't objectively define what "grow or develop in a healthy and rigorous way" means. It means different things to different individuals.
Anonymous No.715734384 >>715755678
>>715721906
>Christcucks try not to canonize Dante and Milton challenge; Impossible Difficulty
Anonymous No.715734669
>>715730928
Bad things Alexander did:
>kill monsters
>kill people allied with monsters
Anonymous No.715734729
>>715720497 (OP)
fuck off angel, go stand in front of a donkey or something
Anonymous No.715734801
>>715721113
>how it feels like
>how like
learn english
Anonymous No.715734961 >>715735225
>>715734363
I think a lot of people have a general overlap in idea to what is considered a, favorable environment, but I'm arguing with an autist on semantics. We could argue on what's an objectively good quality in an environment, and go 'nuh uh, someone might dislike that', as we reach a hypothetical impasse that goes no where.
Way to poison the well with mid-wittatry.
Anonymous No.715735225 >>715735510
>>715734961
It's not semantics, it's not "mid-wittatry" either. It is very important to the discussion, because you said you want people to "flourish", I'm saying that's totally un-definable and a moot point. A thief "flourishes" when he steals a lot of stuff from you. A murderer would "flourish" when he gets to kill a lot of people and get away with it, for example. Your reference to "flourishing" comes awfully close to utilitarianism which is obviously an insane ideology.

Also: Unrelated, but funny captcha.
Anonymous No.715735510 >>715735776
>>715735225
>It's very important, that I dissect this term that's synonymous with "doing well", because that could mean a ton of things, but MOSTLY UTILITARIANISM.
In Christian countries, I would like that Christians exist in the future. I want world peace, but that would probably come at the cost of enforcing hegemony. But that's an entirely different topic.

Point is, it's also not that deep. I want christfags to shut the fuck up and either enjoy sharing a site with /b/, /trash/, /d/, etc or fuck off. And that applies to anyone.
Anonymous No.715735594 >>715735835 >>715756883
they have the right idea because Old Testament angels are actually archons and agents of the Old Testament god, the demiurge
Anonymous No.715735723 >>715735893
>>715720497 (OP)
Only a mindless golem could read sandjew lore and conclude angels are the good guys from a human's point of view.
Anonymous No.715735776 >>715735891
>>715735510
>In Christian countries, I would like that Christians exist in the future.
You have very little (or none at all) power over what happens in the future, so this is an utterly futile desire of yours. You should stop worrying about that and try to live in the present.
>I want world peace, but that would probably come at the cost of enforcing hegemony.
Obviously contradictory ... The only way to world peace is to lead by example.
Anonymous No.715735835 >>715736126 >>715736134
>>715735594
>Old Testament God
as opposed to the New Testament God? Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever
Anonymous No.715735891 >>715735980
>>715735776
>You have very little (or none at all) power over what happens in the future
No fucking shit.
Anonymous No.715735893 >>715736190
>>715735723
Totally agree with you. But most Christians do not read the Bible. There are many example, like the "Holy Trinity" for example, it's never even mentioned in the Bible yet Christians hold it as canon.
Anonymous No.715735951
>>715721565
name 5 games that do this
Anonymous No.715735980 >>715736149
>>715735891
Yea exactly, so why care about stuff you have no impact over? Utterly useless waste of brain power.
Anonymous No.715736126 >>715736329
>>715735835
boi Jesus Christ is the material incarnation of Sophia. The Holy Spirit is the divine spark. That's the true holy trinity
Anonymous No.715736134 >>715736250 >>715736329 >>715756883 >>715773605
>>715735835
You clearly haven't read the Bible. The OT "God" orders the Israelites to commit genocide, while Jesus in the NT is a meek man who promotes non-violence. The OT "God" being the same as Jesus is another meme that Christians believe, but has no evidence in scripture, it sorta blew my mind when I grew up and actually read the Bible and realized that most of the stuff Christians believe in has no scriptural backing. It's a weird ad-hoc religion.
Anonymous No.715736149 >>715736430
>>715735980
The stuff I care about is my board quality, which was the initial point you fucking faggot. You wasted more brain power discussing the nuance on the definition of 'flourish' when my intention was I want people to just be, when my core point was I want nu-fag+christ-fags to shut up.
Anonymous No.715736190 >>715736430
>>715735893
>never even mentioned in the Bible
lol
1 John 5:7-8
>For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Anonymous No.715736250 >>715736330 >>715736430
>>715736134
you clearly have bad reading comprehension because what I said is exactly in agreement with that you just said
Anonymous No.715736329 >>715736469
>>715736126
>gnostic idiocy
never go full retard
>>715736134
>You clearly haven't read the Bible
projection
Hebrews 13:8
>Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Anonymous No.715736330
>>715736250
oh shit sorry replied to the wrong person
Anonymous No.715736348 >>715736430
>>715721526
>So why did God make them?

He didn't. Demons are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim, who are the children of the fallen angels who mated with women. Read Enoch.

>what's a disembodied spirit?
It's like when you get killed in Call of Duty and get put in spectator mode before respawning, but in this case you can harass the players who are still alive in the game.
Anonymous No.715736430 >>715736551 >>715736574 >>715736578 >>715736854
>>715736149
Okay? I don't give a shit, lol. You're shitting up the board just as much as anyone else, bro.

>>715736190
That's all good, but read the line again. It says "Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost". The Trinity is about Father, Son and Holy Spirit/Ghost. "The Son", aka Jesus, being part of the Trinity has no basis in scripture and is entirely headcanon in Christianity.

>>715736250
>Coompetitionbrained Anon thinks everyone has to always disagree with each other
Everything is a competition and a fight to coompetitionbrained posters.
>>715736348
Great. So explain now why Jesus ordered the Israelites to commit genocide in the OT.
Anonymous No.715736469 >>715736654
>>715736329
I've seen more gnostics who actually knew what they were talking about and read the bible than those like you who've been deceived
Anonymous No.715736551 >>715736782
>>715736430
I didn't mean to say that to you bro it was a mistake I'm not competitionbrained
Anonymous No.715736574 >>715736782
>>715736430
>Shits up board twice as hard
>"Y-yeah, w-well... NO U?!"
You are a pig with a keyboard made for cloved hooves.
Anonymous No.715736578 >>715736782
>>715736430
...the Word is Jesus Christ, larper. you'd know that if you'd read the first words of one of the Gospels

John 1
>In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.
Anonymous No.715736654 >>715736808
>>715736469
anon, please...
Anonymous No.715736678 >>715737542
>>715731635
>>715731879
I seriously don't understand where they're getting this like it's the standard then, wtf
Even in games where they fight a deity it's rarely traditional angelic stuff, it's some fucking spidermech with a halo.
Anonymous No.715736684
>>715720497 (OP)
>angels are sexy and wear leotards
Anonymous No.715736782 >>715737115
>>715736551
Fair enough ... It's becoming a problem though.

>>715736574
Take a look in the mirror, shitface.

>>715736578
??? Nowhere in that quote does it say the "The Word" is Jesus. Haha. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Christians have a whole set of "headcanon" that isn't scriptural, but they believe in it anyway, because ... reasons? If you corner them on this they will always get angry, in my experience.
Anonymous No.715736808 >>715736929
>>715736654
that's right, boy, beg. Grovel on your knees
Anonymous No.715736823 >>715742347
>>715720592
I hate demons
Anonymous No.715736852 >>715737116
>Christkikes try not to be butthurt challenge
Anonymous No.715736854 >>715736995 >>715737041 >>715773662
>>715736430
who were the israelites ordered to commit genoice on again? wait, wasn't it children sacrifiicing demon worshippers?
Anonymous No.715736929
>>715736808
>gnostic is a literal faggot
as in clockwork. thanks for playing
Anonymous No.715736995
>>715736854
>"Go out into the world and brutally murder all children sacrificing demon worshippers that you can find!"
Quote from Jesus, according to you. Let me guess, in the next breath you're going to call out Muslims for having a scripture that tells them to go out and kill "infidels" (obviously no Christian would ever go around killing "heretics" to the faith, am I right?)
Anonymous No.715737041
>>715736854
Israelites were demon worshippers themselves at that time. YHWH is hardly distinguishable from Baal functionally.
Anonymous No.715737103
>>715720497 (OP)
> The most evil thing is Lucifer, who was an Angel
Makes sense.
Anonymous No.715737115 >>715737216
>>715736782
>Nowhere in that quote does it say the "The Word" is Jesus. Haha.
thanks for proving you've never read the Bible because a few sentences later the mystery of The Word is clearly revealed. gg

John 1
>11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Anonymous No.715737116
>>715736852
I dont have to be religious to hate demons, coomers and other disgusting shit like niggers od trannies
Anonymous No.715737216 >>715737275
>>715737115
Still no sight of the word "Jesus" in that quote. gg
Anonymous No.715737275 >>715737428
>>715737216
>being daft on purpose
embarassing
Anonymous No.715737374 >>715738657
If you want to know more about Angels read Book of Enoch. It's a non-canon book of The Bible because it's not important to know Angels' role to for salvation; belief in Christ.
Anonymous No.715737428
>>715737275
The whole point of the argument is that the so-called "Holy Trinity" is nowhere in the Bible. You brought up John 5, which mentions "The Word", which you claim means "The Son" (according to your schizophrenic headcanon) and I just perfectly proved that your belief is nowhere to be found in scripture. I guess you are the "daft" one here, bucko.
Anonymous No.715737542 >>715739317
>>715736678
It's often because Japanese shit loves to use angelic imagery and themes as villains but just has it in a vacuum.
It isn't really counterbalanced by actually exploring the religious circumstances. If the main character is a staunch follower of the religious order then when the evil church cliche comes up, it often doesn't result in a meaningful struggle with the faith, often the MC concludes that the entire doctrine is wrong rather than it being the evil clergy with authority misrepresenting a correct doctrine (which would be more narratively interesting). Nips rarely even address that schisms even happen, they treat all the fictional religions as being "complete global Catholicism" - if the religion was evil and there was a protestant faction then it adds depth and realism to the story, or you could even twist it by making the orthodox good and the protestants evil, or you could make both good or both evil - your entire narrative structure could be unique from exploring those four possibilities.
One of the most annoying parts of the cliche is that being so skin-deep makes it pointless and the only real interpretation is that it's a vague attack on any religious belief from someone who only understands organized religion from what they absorbed through pop culture osmosis.
Anonymous No.715737890 >>715738151
>>715723936
Thanks Grok!
Anonymous No.715738151
>>715737890
I hate how people take AI as fact
Anonymous No.715738236
>>715734163
Itโ€™s because theyโ€™re controlling
Anonymous No.715738442 >>715759639
>>715720642
Itโ€™s not a trope if itโ€™s true.
I havenโ€™t seen a religion besides Islam that has people this intolerant and cruel.
Anonymous No.715738657 >>715738950 >>715738968 >>715739469
>>715737374
It's also non-canon because no legitimate Rabbinic or Biblical scholars actually believe it was divinely inspired due to it clearly dating it to be a text that was written around 4th century BC yet claiming to be much older, and also it contains heresy.
The literal only Church that even believes Enoch is part of the deuterocanon is the Ethiopian Church and that's just a result of their philosophy being "anything even vaguely relevant to the Bible gets allowed in."
Anonymous No.715738950
>>715738657
Sounds like cope to me, what is heretical about it?
Anonymous No.715738968
>>715738657
>contains heresy.
How is it heresy?

>Son of Man mentioned
>Christ's 1000 year reign mentioned
Anonymous No.715739151 >>715739395
This is why DQ is the best JRPG
Anonymous No.715739317
>>715737542
I appreciate the proper response writeup anon, but I still don't actually know what games really focus on it, at least the kind that would've created the cliche/stereotypes of it. The bulk of it actually seems to be in manga and anime, sometimes manhwa too, which people seem to conflate with video games rather than it actually being dominant across JRPGs/Japanese games. Even in the last RPG I played where an antagonist declared himself to be a god, they made it explicitly clear it was just a man who stole a boat and attached it to a robot head, and he wasn't even the religious leader in that game, the fucking Pope joins your guild as a friendly character.
Anonymous No.715739395
>>715739151
The plot of Dragon Quest 9 is that one of the highest rank Angels saw his Waifu die whiched caused him to get a huge hate boner against both God and Mortals, which resulting in him turning into a monster hell bent on killing everyone and the only way for you to stop him is to renounce your angelhood since its an active hinderance.
Anonymous No.715739469 >>715740852
>>715738657
>th-that one doesn't count because... because the Rabbis didn't sign off on it!!
The Christkike reveals its true form. Die, Christkike, die!!
Anonymous No.715739614 >>715739870
am i the only one that's seriously concerned that japanese people are dying everyday without accepting christ and therefore going to hell?
Anonymous No.715739870 >>715740802
>>715739614
God is dead, I killed him. Saying it was hard would be a lie.
Anonymous No.715740202 >>715740381 >>715740805
>No, MY * is true!
* = Christianity/Islam/Mormonism
Anonymous No.715740381 >>715740497 >>715741043 >>715741092
>>715740202
Don't care. Christ is king,
Anonymous No.715740497
>>715740381
Fuentes is a faggot.
Anonymous No.715740802 >>715756301 >>715757265
>>715739870
Why are Nips obsessed about their swords being able to cut God?
Anonymous No.715740805 >>715741092
>>715740202
shalom
Anonymous No.715740852
>>715739469
It's just that it neither was accepted by Jews or Christians, the heresy is more relevant to Christianity because its main heresy is claiming Enoch is the messiah. Not a problem for Jews, but it is for Christians.
But both the pre-Christian Jews and Christians agree that the stuff Enoch claims about things like angels or cosmology is against scripture in ways that range from minor to blatantly wrong.
Anonymous No.715740938
>>715722039
the bible outright states that Satan appears under the guise of an angel of light.

but amerilards don't read the bible, they just pretend they do.
Anonymous No.715741043 >>715741436 >>715741485
>>715740381
>Be me, low-level Demon
>bored one day, get an idea
>Put on some white robes
>Change my name to "Christ"
>Instantly millions of "Christians" start worshipping me as their King

Ez win, I guess?
Anonymous No.715741092 >>715741553
>>715740381
>>715740805
>tricked by jews (canaanites)
Shalom, indeed.
Anonymous No.715741346
99% of these zoomers that use Christianity as a substitute for a personality have never gone to church or read the Bible, honestly I envy you.
Anonymous No.715741436
>>715741043
shalom
Anonymous No.715741485
>>715741043
We all know youโ€™re going to start a cult and then have sex with all the women
Anonymous No.715741553 >>715741621 >>715741649
>>715741092
>the spiritual backbone of the civilized world is all a result of jewish 5d chess 7000iq trickery
lmao okay buddy
Anonymous No.715741621 >>715741831
>>715741553
>I blindly believe everything I was told since birth and question nothing
"lmao okay buddy"
Anonymous No.715741649
>>715741553
no no see jesus called them the synagogue of satan ironically.....
Anonymous No.715741749 >>715742276
Religion is evil
Anonymous No.715741785
>>715720497 (OP)
The only thing I know about christcuck lore is from when I saw that Moses cartoon, and the god in it had a special angel for killing babies or something.
Anonymous No.715741831 >>715741998 >>715742462
>>715741621
>n-n-no, y-you're just indoctrinated!!
I rebelled and came back because it's the only religion that makes sense. nice try though
Anonymous No.715741886
Oh, and of course the fact that god NTR'd some random fella who was explicitly said to be decent in the lore, seemingly just for the kicks of it.
Anonymous No.715741906
>>715720497 (OP)
>The guys who keep telling you the angels are the bad guys are also the bad guys and keep a cycle of perpetual corruption occurring for a span beyond time
Anonymous No.715741996
>>715720698
Buddhism simply prescribes most of the negative traits of demons onto women
Anonymous No.715741998 >>715742241
>>715741831
>strawman
>random anecdote
>I HAVE to believe in a religion so YOU do too
Typical unempathetic Christian, nothing but judgment and vitriol. Work on those issues before you put your hands on somebody in real life for saying something you made up.
Anonymous No.715742021 >>715742564 >>715747332
>>715720497 (OP)
>>715720547
>>715720592
>>715720642
christfag fragility is so embarrassing
Anonymous No.715742050
>>715723886
a lot actually
Anonymous No.715742156
>>715721361
That appeals better to the modern age, especially when one considers the current major form of governments in the west and east are all some variation of biblically-derived system founded on the Common Law, thus anyone who feels marginalized by it will naturally come to the conclusion God is to blame.
Anonymous No.715742185 >>715743102
>>715732225
he's right

>>715732159
you're right
Anonymous No.715742241 >>715742316
>>715741998
the irony of this post is palpable
Anonymous No.715742276
>>715741749
Spiritualism is necessary for a fulfilling life however.
Anonymous No.715742316
>>715742241
>vagueposting
sasuga
Anonymous No.715742347
>>715736823
based
Anonymous No.715742437
>>715720497 (OP)
>japanese jrpg
Anonymous No.715742447
>>715723198
They accepted His system of laws over their own though, placing them in service of His followers.
Anonymous No.715742462 >>715742648 >>715755207
>>715741831
>religion
>makes sense
Anonymous No.715742564
>>715742021
*tips fedora*
Anonymous No.715742648
>>715742462
r/atheism
Anonymous No.715742668 >>715742929 >>715745279 >>715752706 >>715755037
>Dom Justo Takayama Ukon (c. 1552โ€“1615) was a Japanese Christian daimyล exiled for his faith.
Born into a feudal lord family, he converted to Christianity at a young age along with his father. He became a military commander and promoted Christianity within his domains.
>In 1587, Regent Toyotomi Hideyoshi issued an edict expelling Christian missionaries. Although Ukon initially retained his position, anti-Christian policies intensified under the Tokugawa shogunate. In 1614, Shลgun Tokugawa Ieyasu banned Christianity and ordered believers to renounce their faith. Ukon refused and was stripped of his land and title. He was exiled to Manila with around 300 other Japanese Christians.
>In Manila, under Spanish rule, Ukon was received with honor. Spanish and Jesuit officials considered supporting a Christian-backed return to Japan, possibly involving Ukon, but he did not support any military action. He died of illness in 1615, less than a year after arriving.
>He was beatified by the Catholic Church in 2017 as a martyr and is known as Blessed Justo Takayama Ukon.

vgh what couldve been...
Anonymous No.715742761
>>715733868
interesting post, thanks you.
Anonymous No.715742929
>>715742668
based
Anonymous No.715743102
>>715742185
actually i take this back i don't think you guys are right
Anonymous No.715743257 >>715750125
>>715733868
To be fair to SMT though, the struggle is actually deeper than it appears on the surface when you realize the majority of times you fight "God" in that game are actually fighting a mortal that got elevated to fit into God's shoes as a test.
Law and Neutrality are ultimately both human-centric constructs in that series, and where Law offers a quick and dirty solution to the failings of humanity (SMT II the Law ending has all the bad parts of humanity nuked and then YHVW merked for being responsible, leaving only the blameless and innocent left), neutrality alternates between ultimately conceding to Law (any ending where you assume the Throne of Creation) or attempting to achieve enlightenment the old-fashioned way in an effort to prove the throne system is ultimately unnecessary, something the Chaosfags will neve be able to achieve as they ultimately strive to elevate fundamentally flawed creatures to the apex of power, never realizing that only by letting go of the flaws and vices that define them will they be able to reach the heights of strength that their rivals posses.
Anonymous No.715743463
>Objective:
>Kill God.
Anonymous No.715745279 >>715745667
>>715742668
I feel like Christianity is hated because of how controlling it is
Anonymous No.715745413
>>715721361
Iโ€™m sorry, have demons flooded the planet and killed people left and right?
Iโ€™m a person who doesnโ€™t tolerate evil, and Godโ€™s actions in the Bible paint him as a psychopath
Anonymous No.715745667 >>715749328
>>715745279
it's hated because it reproves evil
Anonymous No.715747332
>>715742021
truly enlightened by your own intelligence
Anonymous No.715749328 >>715750360 >>715750552
>>715745667
No, it doesnโ€™t.
Where is the condemnation of the tyrants, the corrupt, the rapists, the oppressors, and those who seek absolute dominion?
Anonymous No.715749496
>>715720497 (OP)
>JRPG
>You are supposed to save God from an 'Archangel' that's trying to make God recreate the world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baroque_(video_game)
Anonymous No.715749651 >>715765672
>>715721750
The Gargoyles weren't 'good', they literally have their own sense of morals and values, as well as their own bigotry and racism
Anonymous No.715749964
>Angels are the good guys, but are portrayed as the villains because they genocide humans
Anonymous No.715750125
>>715743257
I might be wrong, but isn't the idea of SMT's YHVH being a mortal ascended to this role only a concept that was retconned in the newer games? I don't remember anything in SMT1-2 that implied that.
Still that's a very interesting analysis, I always found neutral to be the better path in those games, so I definitely agree.
Although I wasn't going against SMT, moreso it was me trying to add cultural context to why SMT's themes were done that way. Especially since Teito Monogateri was a huge influence.
Anonymous No.715750140
>>715720642
>>715720547
>>715720592
>>715720497 (OP)
>>715721361
who were the bad guys in the new testiment?
WHO WERE THE BAD GUYS IN THE NEW TESTIMENT!?
Anonymous No.715750360
>>715749328
>absolute dominion
where you present at their final judgement dumbass? he remembers and sees all
Anonymous No.715750552 >>715750874
>>715749328
Proverbs 6
>16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren

It's also a recurring theme throughout the whole New Testament, from the Gospels, to Romans 1, 2 Timothy 3, the Book of Revelation, etc.
Anonymous No.715750874 >>715751035
>>715750552
Thatโ€™s just it though. He treats shit like homosexuality as if itโ€™s as bad as fucking genocide
Anonymous No.715750875
>jrpg
>genocide
>racism
>cathloic church le evil
>nuke tier calamities
is kino
Anonymous No.715751012 >>715751159 >>715751390
My problem with Christianity is that God comes across as ludicrously controlling. Like, why do we even have free will if weโ€™re going to be punished for having it?
Anonymous No.715751035 >>715751128
>>715750874
Yes. And?
Anonymous No.715751128 >>715751230 >>715771903
>>715751035
Thatโ€™s fucking moronic
Anonymous No.715751159 >>715751262
>>715751012
we're punishes for misusing it, not for having it. and it's for our own good; ponder on the kind of actions we are getting punished for and you'll get it
Anonymous No.715751230 >>715751403 >>715761932
>>715751128
Because?
Anonymous No.715751262 >>715751585
>>715751159
Weโ€™re punished for stupid shit.
If he only wanted us to follow one path, he shouldโ€™ve just made mindless worshippers.
Anonymous No.715751390 >>715751538
>>715751012
Jesus died for your sins so now all you have to do is pray and try your best not to be completely irredeemable. Unless youre Catholic then by even thinking what you just typed your ass is going to the 666th ring of hell for eternity with no exceptions.
Anonymous No.715751403
>>715751230
Who has killed and tormented more people? God or this random homo I know?
Anonymous No.715751538 >>715751736 >>715751809
>>715751390
My problem is how retarded his standards are. He treats shit like sleeping around as if itโ€™s as bad as rape
Anonymous No.715751585 >>715751875
>>715751262
He already has angels for that. He wanted sons
Anonymous No.715751694 >>715757583 >>715757834 >>715762842
>>715720547
>Yo Abraham bro, go kill your son Isaac to show how much you love god.
>LMAO, jk bro it was just a prank. I can't believe you were going to do it. Fucking priceless.
Yeah, I'm sure these are the actions of good beings
Anonymous No.715751736
>>715751538
True. The holy spirit has extreme standards he wants us to abide by that are often nonsensical, but then again what almighty divine entity wouldn't? His frame of reference for his actions are not colored by our idea of fair.
Anonymous No.715751809 >>715752017
>>715751538
You're looking at it through a fallible human perspective whose life ends at 120yrs ar most. Try looking at it at the scale of an infinite amount of time; then even lies becomes horrendous, let alone whoremongering
Anonymous No.715751875 >>715751938
>>715751585
I refuse to listen to someone who has committed crimes that eclipse all of humanityโ€™s worst actions
Anonymous No.715751938 >>715752313
>>715751875
>I am going to judge God
have fun with that I guess
Anonymous No.715752014
>>715720497 (OP)
>media where the devil and demons are good: >:(
>media where the devil and demons are good (japan): :O
Why is 4cuck like this?
Anonymous No.715752017 >>715752126
>>715751809
I donโ€™t see it.
If anything Iโ€™d probably think โ€œTheir lives are short. If they want to live with the precious time they have, so be itโ€
Anonymous No.715752126 >>715752394
>>715752017
>do as thou wilt
is literally a luciferian doctrine. lol
Proverbs 14
>There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, But the end thereof are the ways of death.
Anonymous No.715752313 >>715752465
>>715751938
Yes I am.
I donโ€™t care how high and mighty and all powerful he is, eternal torture and isolation for the crime of mere idiocy is wrong
Anonymous No.715752394 >>715752574
>>715752126
The only counter argument he offers is โ€œI am almightyโ€
Yet he refuses to back up his reasoning, therefore proving that if he didnโ€™t have power he wouldnโ€™t be able to back his claims
Anonymous No.715752465 >>715752528
>>715752313
It's the second death, not torture, and nobody has to go there as God provided an easy way out through Jesus Christ

John 3
>16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Anonymous No.715752528
>>715752465
I am aware of Hell being eternal blackness
Anonymous No.715752530
>>715720497 (OP)
>>japanease
bing bing kiddie fucker
Anonymous No.715752574 >>715752680 >>715753265
>>715752394
Well, is he not almighty? His reasoning is backed up by reality - evil actions ultimately lead to suffering and despair. Good actions do the opposite
Anonymous No.715752584 >>715752641
>>715720497 (OP)
japanese don't worship a jew
Anonymous No.715752641 >>715752845
>>715752584
yeah, the worship mammon and porn instead. very impressive
Anonymous No.715752680 >>715752762
>>715752574
His definition of evil is fucked
Anonymous No.715752706
>>715742668
>convert
>no thanks
>welp, guess it's time to trick some local rubes into starting a civil war
>even the rube converts reject your psycho plans
I don't have anything witty to say, I just don't like catholics
Anonymous No.715752762 >>715753374
>>715752680
according to who? you? lmao
Anonymous No.715752845 >>715755259
>>715752641
i'm sure their kid fucking numbers are actually lower than the numbers you've achieved
Anonymous No.715753127
I like Painkiller
Anonymous No.715753265
>>715752574
embarassingly naive post award
Anonymous No.715753374 >>715753659
>>715752762
>Killing is evil (except when I flood the world and kill thousands of innocent Egyptians for no good reason)
>Lying is evil (except when I lie to Abraham in order to test his faith)
>Torture is evil (except when I allow Job to suffer every pain barring death just to test his faith)
If any person was put on trial for all the crimes god commits then they'd be sent to jail zero questions asked.
Anonymous No.715753561
>>715733671
I'd play Al Bundy Versus the Mall, no questions asked.
Anonymous No.715753659 >>715754682
>>715753374
God flooding the world was a mercy kill; see
Genesis 6
>And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually
He did not lie to Abraham. Re-read the story; it's also an image/prophecy of what will happen later with God and his Son, Jesus Christ. Job was tortured by Satan, not God; re-read the beginning
Anonymous No.715754682 >>715754892
>>715753659
OK, so killing random people en masse is cool so long as you think their beliefs are wrong? That won't hold up in court.
Sure I guess he doesn't lie to Abraham but he could be seen as inciting murder.
And again, god doesn't directly harm Job but he tells satan that he should torture him, again another example of inciting a crime.
Anonymous No.715754892
>>715754682
Their thoughts were only evil continually anon, that's not mere difference in beliefs. He does not tell Satan that he "should" torture him at all; see

Job 1
>8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? 9 Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? 10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. 11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. 12 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.
Anonymous No.715755037
>>715742668
He easily take Korea
Anonymous No.715755207
>>715742462
Perhaps the same could be said of all concepts like morals, property, laws and borders
Anonymous No.715755259
>>715752845
See >>715723425
Anonymous No.715755309
>>715720497 (OP)
>jrpg
>angels are the bad guys
>end phase reveals that the demons were the actual bad guys tarnishing the angels name
kino
Anonymous No.715755449
>>715722923
shes just a modified human soldier who was made to fight and sit on my face
Anonymous No.715755678
>>715734384
>Impotent atheicuck seething: mission impossible
Anonymous No.715755748
>>715733868
>That's Islamic tradition,
OP didn't specified which tradition lol
Anonymous No.715756301
>>715740802
because its badass
Anonymous No.715756416
>wrpg
>"my pronou-"
Anonymous No.715756497
>>715720497 (OP)
>video game
>religion from an entirely different culture is depicted in an interesting way through the developer's own cultural values and beliefs
this isn't any different from god of war making the greek gods bad
Anonymous No.715756659 >>715757373
>christian rpg
>a jew is god
Anonymous No.715756883
>>715735594
No they don't because gnosticism is selective headcanon.

>>715736134
The entire reason the Old Testament and New Testament are part of the same scripture is because Christ is the single common thread between them. You categorically do not understand the bible without this. The fact that you presume God is too mean in the OT is irrelevant.
Anonymous No.715757034 >>715757309 >>715757427 >>715757441 >>715759528 >>715763213
(YOU!) Yes, (you)! I want YOUR must play JRPG's. I've barely played any and I want the best of the best. Seriously, just shit them out, preferably your best recommendations first.
Anonymous No.715757110
what's wrong with having god as the bad guy? It makes for a pretty good villain
Anonymous No.715757139
first mission
>rescue a kitten
final mission
>kill god

Classic coming of age.
Anonymous No.715757202
>>715720497 (OP)
the angels aren't bad, YOU are, as divine beings everything they do is good.

its fun using religion as a videogame karma system, so much easier than dealing with the nuance of human motives.
Anonymous No.715757232
>>715720497 (OP)
>>715720547
>>715720592
Name one game
Anonymous No.715757265
>>715740802
Japan needs to rebel against an all controlling godhood in their games because they live in a super authoritarian society that shits on them and makes them live in boxes. So they rebel in their media. They can't rebel against Japan because that would be heretical so they rebel against the second most famous religion they know, which is christianity. It's not rocket science. They all know they hate their own societal expectations but better to live in Japan and be Japanese than be one of those rioting monkeys on the outside. But still repressed enough to need to fight something to get their frustrations out, hence the western tint.

A more nuanced view
>Non-monotheistic view of divinity, as well as one in which the ascension of individuals to divinity is more palatable than in Judeochristian thought
>From a historical perspective, Japanese history is full of "divine" entities that were quite literally overthrown, a la the de-mystification of the Emperor
>Many JRPG tropes were cemented in the 90s, right after the bubble economy of the 80s crashed and the new god of Capitalism was pretty much slain in the eyes of many young and creative folks
>"Killing god" is an acceptable form of rebellion that appeals to those who feel constrained by the rigidity of Japanese society. You rage against the machine in games because you can't rage against your boss IRL. Same thing with why high school settings are so common in anime/manga/LNs; it's about nostalgia for a time where you weren't constrained by "adult society".
Anonymous No.715757309 >>715760314
>>715757034
golden sun.
Anonymous No.715757373
>>715756659
Anonymous No.715757427 >>715757596 >>715760314
>>715757034
play trails in the sky FC on nightmare, but don't continue to play that series at all if you think that one sucks. its the best game in the franchise and it literally is all down hill from there (story wise). gameplay wise SC is the best but in exchange the cancer and writing are less good. install the evo voice mod, do not install the evo music mod.
Anonymous No.715757441 >>715760314
>>715757034
Wild Arms 2 and 3.
Personally like 3 more since gameplay is generally more polished and the smaller core cast feels more cohesive bouncing off each other but in the actual plot and themes 2 still has a lot going for it. 3 focuses a lot more on the personal growth of the heroes and their relationship as a team, 2 has deeper themes about heroism.
Anonymous No.715757528 >>715766016 >>715768282 >>715772742
>Bad Guy was a robot controlling the kingdoms from behind the scenes


>was actually programmed eons ago to protect and make humanity happy as a worker android of a space theme park

>MC defeats him and unleashes the real evil monsters created by super ancient humans, ravaging the world and changing the map forever.

>MC defeats the monsters BUT the real bad guy was a regular friendly NPC that wants to revive his wife and turns every other friendly NPC and enemies into his brainwashed minions

>after MC beats mr.bad guy, his wife awakens from hybernation and it's actually an alien that wants to blow up the planet
Anonymous No.715757583
>>715751694
I'm not Christian, but my interpretation would be that if you are truly pious everything turns out ok no matter what.
Anonymous No.715757596
>>715757427
>in exchange the
grinding
>cancer
Anonymous No.715757714 >>715757895 >>715759871
>>715720497 (OP)
>angels are LE GOOD
>christ is KING
>Also pwease no sex before marriage, thanks!
>Also pwease eat cornflakes instead of masturbating
Total christcuck DEATH
Anonymous No.715757834 >>715774562
>>715751694
It wasn't a prank. It was a test of loyalty. God's own Son was the only one He ever actually required for a sacrifice. He spared Abraham the hardship and took it on Himself.
Anonymous No.715757838
>>Japanese Japanese Role Playing Game
I'm not even giving a (You) for that, you know what you did
Anonymous No.715757853
>>715720497 (OP)
Educate thyself. Reverse-orientalism gives some great insight into one's domestic cultural references.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRbbTqxxHVI
Anonymous No.715757895
>>715757714
I don't recall saying please.
Anonymous No.715758993
Fucking secondaries. Gun to the head, name 10 japanese games where you shank actual god, no some demon larping as god, not some guy who did xianxia cultivation to become god, not evil god, not someone who kinda looks and act like god. Capital GOD.
Anonymous No.715759528 >>715760314
>>715757034
>FFVI, FFX
Anonymous No.715759639
>>715738442
kike
Anonymous No.715759871
>>715757714
The fact that OP didn't specify which religion but you immediately thought of Christianity shows that in your mind even if you don't want to admit it you know the True God is Christian and that triggers you for some reason.
Anonymous No.715760314 >>715761932
>>715757309
>>715757427
>>715757441
>>715759528
Thanks anons. I'll check these out. If you got any more lay them on me, it's one genre I've neglected and I'd like to see what if has to offer.
Anonymous No.715761932
>>715751230
Name a more loyal companion than the asexual homo
>>715760314
fumika
Anonymous No.715761965
>>715720497 (OP)
>>angels are the bad guys

Fallen Angels are not that uncommon as a 'bad guy' trope.
Anonymous No.715762246
>>715721526
because God is hardcore like that
Anonymous No.715762626
>>715720497 (OP)
>American RPG
>Pies are the bad guys
Anonymous No.715762842 >>715772923
>>715751694
the building of Issac symbolically makes Issac sacred. when you sacrifice things in abrahamism you are supposed to sacrifice your best, if you sacrifice less than your best it's bad, as demonstrated in the story of Cain and Abel. therefore sacrificing Issac was signifying he was the best of Abraham, and he became the foundation of the religion, giving birth to Jacob after esau. thus we had Abraham who was righteous enough that God chose him to be the patriarch of his chosen people, but he was not yet good enough and we had two generations of spiritual refinement where contrary to custom it was not the first born who inherited the father's business but specifically the second born after the while present in the father's were removed, first with Ishmael creating Issac from Abraham, who the binding of shows was sacred, but even then it wasn't good enough and it's took his second son to finally be good enough. the first wife of Abraham is am, an egyptian, took the paganism out of him and combined it into Ishmael, to create arabs the destroyers of pagans. thus passing on his monotheism to Issac. esau took his disobedience and passion away, and later calmed the European barbarians with Roman Christianity, leaving Jacob the gentle bookworm, ideal for a religion based on reason and law.
Anonymous No.715763213
>>715757034
Dragon Quest I, II, and III are must plays. II is frankly underrated, and III really is one of the best games of all time. I'd also recommend Shin Megami Tensei as a series, and while SMT1 is my favorite, it does have a lot of balance issues that other games improve on in the series. And if you like that, try out Wizardry. It started as an American series, but Japan has kept the brand around way longer with tons of high quality spin off games. Just know that it's going to be quite a bit harder than the previous two series I posted. PS1 ports of 1-5 are definitely easier due to including automap, but it doesn't really make much else that much easier at all outside of, you know, actual animations when you're teleported or spun around and stuff.
If you want some good action RPGs I'd recommend Ys as a very quick and simple game to get into. Fun bump combat, great music, and you can beat the first two games in two days easily. Other Falcom RPGs would also be recommendations from me, like Dragon Slayer II: Xanadu (I recommend the 1995 PC98 version "Revival Xanadu"), and Brandish.
Anonymous No.715765672
>>715749651
It's moreso that they're not explicitly evil was what I was getting at.
Anonymous No.715765797
it was cool in FFT because that was my first JRPG with this trope but despite that they just copied elements from the evil things that the church did back in the old days
Anonymous No.715765863
>JRPG
>the church are the good guys
Anonymous No.715765980
>>715732412
>All that matters is the real world
ah yes, mutt: the religion, impressive.
Anonymous No.715766016
>>715757528
>Aw shit, here we go again.
Anonymous No.715766072 >>715773901
>>715720497 (OP)
>Dragon Quest
>most popular japanese rpg
>church is good
>angels are good except for Lucifer
Retardef tourist.
Anonymous No.715766113
>>715720547
>>715722951
False: Dragon Quest.
Anonymous No.715766849 >>715774553
>jjrpg
>chaos is the bad guy
Anonymous No.715766864
>>715720497 (OP)
>jrpg
>player fan base consists mostly of hikikomories
>gameplay heavy emphasis on friendship
>the power of friendship is the key to defeat the story boss

Im looking at every persona game ever...
Anonymous No.715768282
>>715757528
RPG Maker slop is always goof cinema.
Anonymous No.715768587
>angels are the bad guys
https://files.catbox.moe/tlv3uu.webm
Anonymous No.715771026
>>715720497 (OP)
In Lies of P (made by Koreans) the "angel" is inadvertently "evil" by the flaw of being absolutely benevolent towards humans. It beloved all humans while being unable to understand their morality and would grant them literal wishes with disastrous consequences. The humans ultimately had to betray and murder this "angel" to save themselves.
Anonymous No.715771903
>>715751128
It would lead to the downfall of society if left unchecked, especially in the period of time covered in both the OT and NT. The amount of people we had even in the 1700s is magnitudes larger than what they had even a thousand years prior let alone two thousand years prior. It is objectively a bad thing for humanity as a whole and not treating it like a bad thing is extremely dumb from every viewpoint. It would lead to less people producing food because they are genetic dead ends, it would lead to less people in general having children leading to no one to take care of the elderly leading to mass deaths across the board, having less people for agrarian needs leads to it being harder for humanity as a whole to spread out and would have taken significantly longer for groups to form, etc.

There is zero reason to defend it from a human species perspective and from a realistic perspective. It is objectively a bad thing to promote it or normalize it and this still continues today by being a bad thing to promote as it causes people who otherwise would not have even thought about such a thing to lean towards it as they grow up because it's not as stigmatized. You treat them like normal people but you do not normalize their lifestyle nor their preferences.
Anonymous No.715772742
>>715757528
This is how it felt to play Astlibra.
How are these escalations sometimes so compelling when at other times they feel like utter nonsense in other stories?
Anonymous No.715772923
>>715762842
Why sacrifice anything anything at all if the God has the power not to? Is he evil?
Anonymous No.715772975
>>715720497 (OP)
>japanease jrpg
Anonymous No.715773089
>>715721526
For the lulz
Anonymous No.715773208
>>715723936
Fuck off Clanker
Anonymous No.715773487 >>715773592
>>715734363
Anon I think you might be retarded.
You're argument is just "good doesn't mean anything" without taking into context that growth and improving yourself as a human have commonly accepted values.
Literally the same shit of a villain going "If you kill me you're just as bad."
Anonymous No.715773592
>>715773487
>growth and improving yourself as a human have commonly accepted values.
Name those commonly accepted values, then. I'm sure no one will disagree with you, right?
>Literally the same shit of a villain going "If you kill me you're just as bad."
Literally what Jesus says with "turn the other cheek" and "give him your coat", etc.
Anonymous No.715773605 >>715775129
>>715736134
>while Jesus in the NT is a meek man who promotes non-violence.
Didn't he whip a bunch of Jews because the merchants are selling t-shirt in a church?
Anonymous No.715773662
>>715736854
and they lost lol.
yahweh was such a jobber
Anonymous No.715773676
>>715720497 (OP)
>Devil: Evil but inherits all the bad traits because they are the bad guys, very petty and stupid for not siding with God. They are like cockroaches and all you need to do is swat them.
>Angel: 500 IQ almighty being, can break every bone in your body just by giving you a look. Has power to end the world but they don't.
Gee I wonder why latter is more fun and climactic to fight as an end-game boss, while the former often appears as a random low-level grunt
Anonymous No.715773901
>>715766072
This. Dragon Quest is surprisingly Christian as fuck, church is literally the place to heal, revive your dead team, and save your game.
Anonymous No.715774553
>>715766849
did you just say chaos?
Anonymous No.715774562
>>715757834
If Jesus was God's own son why would God need to "test" Abraham's loyalty? It doesn't make sense.
Anonymous No.715775129
>>715773605
Yes and he also said "I cam not to bring peace, but a sword" which has been used to justify all kinds of violence even to this day ...
Anonymous No.715776217
>>715722070
I am God.
Anonymous No.715776297
>>715732665
I dare you to cope harder.