>japanease jrpg
>angels are the bad guys

>>715720497 (OP)
>Angels are actually.......le bad!

>demons are actually LE GOOD
>they're just misunderstood

malding ameritroon.

>>715720497 (OP)
Doom thread?

>japanese jrpg
>the church is evil
this troupe again???...

>>715720497 (OP)
In Buddhism you're supposed to be friends with demons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkJVvtDIOA8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SctUKtLn8RA

>>715720642
Always KINO.

>>715720592
>>715720497 (OP)
>>715720547
It’s mainly because that’s how it feels like in the Bible

>>715720547
>>715720592
literally doom ancient gods, for some reason.

>The final boss is.... the pope!

>>715721113
>how it feels in the bible
>bible is full of demons rebelling, possessing people, destroying lives and generally being unlikable cunts
What did he mean by this?

>>715721361
>demons rebelling, possessing people, destroying lives and generally being unlikable cunts
So why did God make them?

>DEMONS GOOD
>ANGELS BAD
Why is this so common with Japs?

kike seething

>>715720497 (OP)
>make game
>want to make your game stand out a bit more
>make the villain(s) something that would normally be associated with good
You see this from non jap rpgs too. Solasta's plot focuses around evil shapeshifting lizards, Pillars of Eternity is an atheists wet dream, Wrath of the Righteous makes demons be the bad guy but also gives you the choice to redeem them, Divinity Original Sin's plot has a double subversion depending on the final choice you make at the end of the game.

>>715720497 (OP)
Most of the ones I've played either have them simply as Order/Holy/Law rather than good or evil, or have them as healing npcs.
>>715720592
Literally Ultima's (WRPG) Gargoyles, they were heavily influenced by it and it bled into future culture. They look like demons from Doom but are just trying to save their race from extinction.

Man even in the Bible the angels kill more people than a nuke

I love God, but He that made good creates evil as well

>>715721526
How should I know? I'm not God.

>>715721526
He didn't they became demons with Lucifer who rebelled because he thought humans are destructive dipshits and Angels shouldn't be forced to bow to them.

>>715721675
Kikes don't believe in hell

>>715721565
>>715720642
>>715720547
>>715720592
because Japs are clearheaded enough to ask "well wouldn't devils want to disguise themselves as angels to trick people?" while Amerilards never question it

>>715721862
Why aren't you God?

>>715722039
Wrong
See>>715720698

>>715721185
Luv me Doom 'ate the plot simple as.

>>715722039
That doesn't make the actual demon looking fuckers the good guys, moron.

>>715721906
lowkey this lucifer mofo is onto something

>>715721361
Not really, tho. There's a few, like the 'Legion', which Jesus banishes into a herd of pigs that then kill themselves, which is obviously a jab against roman legionnaires. Even the satan character in Book of Job is doing shit with permission from God.

>>715721906
That's larp people came up with later and not something that's in the Bible. Divina Commedia and Paradise Lost etc.

>>715722169
>need foreign character
>make a stereotype from 30 years ago
I've always found this incredibly endearing

>>715722159
How do you know what demons look like? You've been to Hell?

>>715722610
In the the Talumd not the Bible

>>715722650
didn't mean to relpy to anyone

>>715720497 (OP)
Yes Christianity is actually terrible, if you think about it and look at the world right now

>>715722758
I'll take any free (you)'s I get at this point

>>715722159
>That doesn't make the actual demon looking fuckers the good guys, moron.
how do you know that

>>715721906
>oh those people just LE REBELLED
so god isn't omnipotent and anyone can just utterly defy his will with no recourse? good to know

>>715722793
That's why Islam will dominate and fix it
inshallah

>>715720497 (OP)
No, they aren't.

>>715720497 (OP)
>>715720547
Also every anime that touches on the concept of spirituality ever

>>715720497 (OP)
Esoteric anti-government philosophy finding an outlet.

>>715720547
Yes I believe that was the point of OP.

>>715721728
But in PoE gods exist and that's a fact.

>>715722847
He gave Lucifer free will and still knew he was going to do it. That's why he didn't destroy him. Lucifer doesn't hate God he hates humans and wants to destroy them all. He corrupts humans as a way to show how retarded they are and need to be extinguished from existence.

>>715720497 (OP)
>not one "it's cool" answer
It makes for cool enemies. fighting embodiments of order.

>>715720497 (OP)
The jap are smart enough to not fall for abrahamic lies

>Final boss
>You have to kill god

>>715723198
The Great Mirror of Male Love (男色大鏡) by Ihara Saikaku was the definitive work on the subject of "male love" in Tokugawa Era Japan. Was written by a Buddhist monk

Tokugawa commentators felt free to illustrate kami engaging in anal sex with each other. During the Tokugawa period, some of the Shinto gods, especially Hachiman, Myoshin, Shinmei and Tenjin, "came to be seen as guardian deities of nanshoku" (male–male love). Tokugawa-era writer Ihara Saikaku joked that since there are no women for the first three generations in the genealogy of the gods found in the Nihon Shoki, the gods must have enjoyed homosexual relationships—which Saikaku argued was the real origin of nanshoku.

In the pre-Meiji period, nanshoku (男色) relationships inside Buddhist monasteries were typically pederastic. The older partner, or nenja (念者, "lover" or "admirer"), would be a monk, priest or abbot, while the younger partner was assumed to be an acolyte (稚児, chigo), who would be a prepubescent or adolescent boy. The relationship would be dissolved once the boy reached adulthood (or left the monastery). Both parties were encouraged to treat the relationship seriously and conduct the affair honorably, and the nenja might be required to write a formal vow of fidelity.

Then there is the fact that the Buddha ever taught all the shit they follow in their version of Buddhism.

>>715720497 (OP)
>JRPG
>There's no roleplaying and it's a turn-based tactics game

>>715721361
It was the archangel Samael who had God punish Job to test his faith.

>>715722813
Have another on the house

>>715720497 (OP)
What have angels ever done for us?

>>715721361
actually angels aren't demons.
the angels that betrayed God are considered fallen angels.
Demons are considered the offspring between man and angel.

>>715721254
Yeah Assassins Creed 2 sucked

>>715723252
Yeah, that’s a real head-scratcher.

This image is an X-ray with motion blur, likely from a medical imaging session where the subject moved their head rapidly during the scan. What you’re seeing is a long exposure composite of several positions of the head during the movement, resulting in a ghosted, doubled, or even “stretched” appearance—which ends up looking surreal or monstrous.

The teeth and skull are duplicated and smeared due to the motion, creating that “what the hell am I looking at?” vibe. Not a demon or cursed thing—just bad radiology technique or an intentional effect for a laugh.

>>715720497 (OP)
go sit on a christmas tree, bitch

>>715723252
I liked the twist In SH3 though

>>715723886
>atheists: reeeeeeee God isn't real (but I hate Him) and also angels aren't real (but I hate them too), hail Satan (who somehow is real)!
>also atheists: WHAT HAS GOD EVER DONE FOR YOU? HES NEVER DONE ANYTHING FOR ME!!!
Truly a mystery.

>mfw moralfags and christfags (vanillafags) are the new bronies

>>715723067
There are no gods in PoE, what the world has been referring to Gods are just constructs made by the ancients' suicidal ritual in order to create "perfect" aribiters to maintain and promote their societies values for eternity.

>>715723886
Temptations and punishments.

>>715720497 (OP)
>Jrpg
>takes place in a High-school

>>715723075
>he gave lucifer free will
This is complete head cannon

>>715727228
Not in the Koran and Talumd

>>715727392
Also in the Koran he isn't a angel but a jinn

>>715721361
I'm pretty sure the Angels had a higher body count

I love this meme because clearly, a clever demon would just disguise himself as the average persons conception of what an "Angel" looks like. Which happens to be a core theme in the Bible where it is written that Satan "disguises himself as an angel of light".

>angels have been deceived for hundreds of years by the the god they sword to protect because he's actually evil
Which game am i talking about?

>>715729565
Swore* shit

>>715720642
diofield chronicle I am actually playing on xbone.

>fallen angels are le bad
>nephilim are le bad
>see jap game use one of these concepts
>why do they le hate angels?

>>715730561
Don't tell the neo-zealots what Jesus's ethnicity was.

>>715720497 (OP)
>>715720547
>>715720592
It was a kino subversion 30 years ago.

>>715720642
Desu the Catholic church is at its coolest when they are being murderschizo inquisitors.

>>715720642
they aren't a troupe they are a circus

>>715730928
>Alexander
>Felicia
>The entire Belmont Lineage
>The nuns with guns in Black Lagoon
>even in popular stuff like Bayo/DMC, the angels are creations of man (less so in Bayo) that are masquerading as saviors
>"Le final boss is god", trope also applies to this (Kefka, Sephiroth, Lavos, Gigyas)
>Only real example is Shin Megami Tensei

>>715720497 (OP)
I've played far more where Holy is either good or at least neutral than any where it's evil. Where the fuck do people even get this shit from? Do they only play FF and MegaTen? Even the biggest non-Pokemon JRPG series, DQ, has you heal at churches.

>>715731523
They see gnostic imagery and naughty themes in Eva, and think it's a personal attack. Being a christfag is the new goth.

>>715731523
There are like two FF games that actually do church bad and even in those it's just "leadership is infested with demons or liches"

>>715724459
>Bronies are 33% of the world's population
Fascinating take, retard-san

>>715731946
>world pop
we're talking about on here, triggered protestant. Most christfaggotry here is from reactionary tourists and just people wanting to not be fedora-tipping-redditors so much so, that they become the polar opposite to the best of their ability.
ON HERE, christfags are as vocal and soapbox heavy as bronies were in 2012.

>>715731946
>christard reading comprehension

Yes cause japs are anti life antihuman bug people that gladly torture and eat each other and do child sacrifice and are literal pedos, it's like weebs never learned the history of Japan

>>715732159
+500 social credit

>>715720497 (OP)
>western shooter
>jews are the good guys

>>715732123
>>715732134
>on here
"On here" doesn't matter. All that matters is the real world, where you're a loser and everything you do is a failure. Meanwhile real-world Christians are successful and happy people, while you'll continue sourgrapesing on a tranny image board until you die. That's what makes you upset the most, I bet.

>>715732225
I'm a white American dude and all Asians are cannibalistic bug people. Their women and femboys are hot tho

>>715732225
Aren't Japs just as bad with the social credit score and ostracization shit as Chinks though? Really strange to prop one up and attack the other in that way. Unless you're a weeb retard.

>>715732412
>On here doesn't matter
Nigger, that's not the point, and you're again proving mine. I don't want people to suffer, and would want them to flourish. What you don't do is posture, ON HERE, cry, ON HERE, and play victim, ON HERE. Because christfags have many places they can go and congregate, the cunny website full of trolls should not be it.
>inb4 some diatribe about how going to Sodom to preach was somehow productive
>inb4 you didn't come here, because you know you're too spergy and degenerate for a church setting
Christfags ON HERE, are failed normal fags.
I love Christians, Christchanners raise an eyebrow.

>>715732665
Sorry Anon, you seem okay so I'll chill out. I'm not religious at all, I was just pissed off and venting a bit. Seriously.

>>715732665
Christians killed gorillions of people throughout history which goes in stark contrast with Jesus' teachings to "turn the other cheek". Also "flourish" is an un-definable buzzword.

>>715733370
NTA but I looked "flourish" up in less than three seconds just to prove that you're retarded.

>>715726995
>western middle aged character
>keeps talking about high school
>he once scored four touch downs in a single game in 1966

>>715720497 (OP)
>>715720547
>>715720592
The whole concept is mainly based on how SMT is based on Teito Monogateri, which primarily is based on the great disappointment that the Japanese had over Shintoist faith after their Emperor was humiliated and their divine right was destroyed. The concept of befriending "demons" is mainly based on how Japanese demons aren't necessarily beings of pure evil but rather powerful beings who dictate what they do based on their own power. In turn, the Japanese have the whole "rebelling against a higher power" to be emblematic/metaphorical against the Japanese Emperor during and post-WWII. A lot of it is also based on a lot of 60s-70s era edgy Japanese shit that was going on at the time.
Japanese just use Abrahamic imagery because it looks cool and edgy and pisses off Japanese boomers
After SMT, it just kinda got diluted into just following the leader rather than it having a specific significance like it did for SMT and MT as a whole.

>>715720642
The church being evil in Japanese fiction is based on how European history was over-simplified based on Enlightenment lens. It's why you'll rarely get a good historically accurate depiction of European history by Japanese authors unless the author did some actual concrete research

>>715721906
That's Islamic tradition, not Biblical tradition. Biblical tradition is actually very ambiguous about Satan and demons in general. Early Jewish tradition paints him Satan as a more metaphorical figure representing the adversaries you face in life or an angel designed as an obstacle to test you

>>715722610
Not necessarily in either of those. In Paradise Lost, Satan wants to basically just be the one calling the shots. It's only in Islam where the idea of Satan being-assmad about humans and thinking they are filthy lower beings. There's also one interpretation that Satan was half-Djinn, so his thinking came from his own self-loathing and insecurities about his status as a "half-breed" so to speak

>>715721113
>Be not afraid.
>ermarghard they're sooo ferking evil
Anon, I...

HABEEB IT

>>715733868
>which primarily is based on the great disappointment that the Japanese had over Shintoist faith after their Emperor was humiliated and their divine right was destroyed.
Actually, I am hyperbolic slightly. I never read all the books because they are still untranslated (and I hope someone picks it up at some point). But I read up on someone who has, and they pointed out there's a sequence in the WWII that depicted Hirohito as someone who despite being an Imperial authority and holding divine right of rule, he would drink blood and do other demonic things. Which is what makes me think the entire concept that SMT is based on is actually based on the disappointment and disillusionment that the Japanese held over Shinto faith and the teachings of the divine rule of the Emperor post-WWII. But maybe I am wrong here, hopefully someone who knows more could correct me if I am wrong. But it's what makes the most logical sense.

>>715733558
No, I'm not retarded. You can't objectively define what "grow or develop in a healthy and rigorous way" means. It means different things to different individuals.

>>715721906
>Christcucks try not to canonize Dante and Milton challenge; Impossible Difficulty

>>715730928
Bad things Alexander did:
>kill monsters
>kill people allied with monsters

>>715720497 (OP)
fuck off angel, go stand in front of a donkey or something

>>715721113
>how it feels like
>how like
learn english

>>715734363
I think a lot of people have a general overlap in idea to what is considered a, favorable environment, but I'm arguing with an autist on semantics. We could argue on what's an objectively good quality in an environment, and go 'nuh uh, someone might dislike that', as we reach a hypothetical impasse that goes no where.
Way to poison the well with mid-wittatry.

>>715734961
It's not semantics, it's not "mid-wittatry" either. It is very important to the discussion, because you said you want people to "flourish", I'm saying that's totally un-definable and a moot point. A thief "flourishes" when he steals a lot of stuff from you. A murderer would "flourish" when he gets to kill a lot of people and get away with it, for example. Your reference to "flourishing" comes awfully close to utilitarianism which is obviously an insane ideology.

Also: Unrelated, but funny captcha.

>>715735225
>It's very important, that I dissect this term that's synonymous with "doing well", because that could mean a ton of things, but MOSTLY UTILITARIANISM.
In Christian countries, I would like that Christians exist in the future. I want world peace, but that would probably come at the cost of enforcing hegemony. But that's an entirely different topic.

Point is, it's also not that deep. I want christfags to shut the fuck up and either enjoy sharing a site with /b/, /trash/, /d/, etc or fuck off. And that applies to anyone.

they have the right idea because Old Testament angels are actually archons and agents of the Old Testament god, the demiurge

>>715720497 (OP)
Only a mindless golem could read sandjew lore and conclude angels are the good guys from a human's point of view.

>>715735510
>In Christian countries, I would like that Christians exist in the future.
You have very little (or none at all) power over what happens in the future, so this is an utterly futile desire of yours. You should stop worrying about that and try to live in the present.
>I want world peace, but that would probably come at the cost of enforcing hegemony.
Obviously contradictory ... The only way to world peace is to lead by example.

>>715735594
>Old Testament God
as opposed to the New Testament God? Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever

>>715735776
>You have very little (or none at all) power over what happens in the future
No fucking shit.

>>715735723
Totally agree with you. But most Christians do not read the Bible. There are many example, like the "Holy Trinity" for example, it's never even mentioned in the Bible yet Christians hold it as canon.

>>715721565
name 5 games that do this

>>715735891
Yea exactly, so why care about stuff you have no impact over? Utterly useless waste of brain power.

>>715735835
boi Jesus Christ is the material incarnation of Sophia. The Holy Spirit is the divine spark. That's the true holy trinity

>>715735835
You clearly haven't read the Bible. The OT "God" orders the Israelites to commit genocide, while Jesus in the NT is a meek man who promotes non-violence. The OT "God" being the same as Jesus is another meme that Christians believe, but has no evidence in scripture, it sorta blew my mind when I grew up and actually read the Bible and realized that most of the stuff Christians believe in has no scriptural backing. It's a weird ad-hoc religion.

>>715735980
The stuff I care about is my board quality, which was the initial point you fucking faggot. You wasted more brain power discussing the nuance on the definition of 'flourish' when my intention was I want people to just be, when my core point was I want nu-fag+christ-fags to shut up.

>>715735893
>never even mentioned in the Bible
lol
1 John 5:7-8
>For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

>>715736134
you clearly have bad reading comprehension because what I said is exactly in agreement with that you just said

>>715736126
>gnostic idiocy
never go full retard
>>715736134
>You clearly haven't read the Bible
projection
Hebrews 13:8
>Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

>>715736250
oh shit sorry replied to the wrong person

>>715721526
>So why did God make them?

He didn't. Demons are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim, who are the children of the fallen angels who mated with women. Read Enoch.

>what's a disembodied spirit?
It's like when you get killed in Call of Duty and get put in spectator mode before respawning, but in this case you can harass the players who are still alive in the game.

>>715736149
Okay? I don't give a shit, lol. You're shitting up the board just as much as anyone else, bro.

>>715736190
That's all good, but read the line again. It says "Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost". The Trinity is about Father, Son and Holy Spirit/Ghost. "The Son", aka Jesus, being part of the Trinity has no basis in scripture and is entirely headcanon in Christianity.

>>715736250
>Coompetitionbrained Anon thinks everyone has to always disagree with each other
Everything is a competition and a fight to coompetitionbrained posters.
>>715736348
Great. So explain now why Jesus ordered the Israelites to commit genocide in the OT.

>>715736329
I've seen more gnostics who actually knew what they were talking about and read the bible than those like you who've been deceived

>>715736430
I didn't mean to say that to you bro it was a mistake I'm not competitionbrained

>>715736430
>Shits up board twice as hard
>"Y-yeah, w-well... NO U?!"
You are a pig with a keyboard made for cloved hooves.

>>715736430
...the Word is Jesus Christ, larper. you'd know that if you'd read the first words of one of the Gospels

John 1
>In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.

>>715736469
anon, please...

>>715731635
>>715731879
I seriously don't understand where they're getting this like it's the standard then, wtf
Even in games where they fight a deity it's rarely traditional angelic stuff, it's some fucking spidermech with a halo.

>>715720497 (OP)
>angels are sexy and wear leotards

>>715736551
Fair enough ... It's becoming a problem though.

>>715736574
Take a look in the mirror, shitface.

>>715736578
??? Nowhere in that quote does it say the "The Word" is Jesus. Haha. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Christians have a whole set of "headcanon" that isn't scriptural, but they believe in it anyway, because ... reasons? If you corner them on this they will always get angry, in my experience.

>>715736654
that's right, boy, beg. Grovel on your knees

>>715720592
I hate demons

>Christkikes try not to be butthurt challenge

>>715736430
who were the israelites ordered to commit genoice on again? wait, wasn't it children sacrifiicing demon worshippers?

>>715736808
>gnostic is a literal faggot
as in clockwork. thanks for playing

>>715736854
>"Go out into the world and brutally murder all children sacrificing demon worshippers that you can find!"
Quote from Jesus, according to you. Let me guess, in the next breath you're going to call out Muslims for having a scripture that tells them to go out and kill "infidels" (obviously no Christian would ever go around killing "heretics" to the faith, am I right?)

>>715736854
Israelites were demon worshippers themselves at that time. YHWH is hardly distinguishable from Baal functionally.

>>715720497 (OP)
> The most evil thing is Lucifer, who was an Angel
Makes sense.

>>715736782
>Nowhere in that quote does it say the "The Word" is Jesus. Haha.
thanks for proving you've never read the Bible because a few sentences later the mystery of The Word is clearly revealed. gg

John 1
>11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

>>715736852
I dont have to be religious to hate demons, coomers and other disgusting shit like niggers od trannies

>>715737115
Still no sight of the word "Jesus" in that quote. gg

>>715737216
>being daft on purpose
embarassing

If you want to know more about Angels read Book of Enoch. It's a non-canon book of The Bible because it's not important to know Angels' role to for salvation; belief in Christ.

>>715737275
The whole point of the argument is that the so-called "Holy Trinity" is nowhere in the Bible. You brought up John 5, which mentions "The Word", which you claim means "The Son" (according to your schizophrenic headcanon) and I just perfectly proved that your belief is nowhere to be found in scripture. I guess you are the "daft" one here, bucko.

>>715736678
It's often because Japanese shit loves to use angelic imagery and themes as villains but just has it in a vacuum.
It isn't really counterbalanced by actually exploring the religious circumstances. If the main character is a staunch follower of the religious order then when the evil church cliche comes up, it often doesn't result in a meaningful struggle with the faith, often the MC concludes that the entire doctrine is wrong rather than it being the evil clergy with authority misrepresenting a correct doctrine (which would be more narratively interesting). Nips rarely even address that schisms even happen, they treat all the fictional religions as being "complete global Catholicism" - if the religion was evil and there was a protestant faction then it adds depth and realism to the story, or you could even twist it by making the orthodox good and the protestants evil, or you could make both good or both evil - your entire narrative structure could be unique from exploring those four possibilities.
One of the most annoying parts of the cliche is that being so skin-deep makes it pointless and the only real interpretation is that it's a vague attack on any religious belief from someone who only understands organized religion from what they absorbed through pop culture osmosis.

>>715723936
Thanks Grok!

>>715737890
I hate how people take AI as fact

>>715734163
It’s because they’re controlling

>>715720642
It’s not a trope if it’s true.
I haven’t seen a religion besides Islam that has people this intolerant and cruel.

>>715737374
It's also non-canon because no legitimate Rabbinic or Biblical scholars actually believe it was divinely inspired due to it clearly dating it to be a text that was written around 4th century BC yet claiming to be much older, and also it contains heresy.
The literal only Church that even believes Enoch is part of the deuterocanon is the Ethiopian Church and that's just a result of their philosophy being "anything even vaguely relevant to the Bible gets allowed in."

>>715738657
Sounds like cope to me, what is heretical about it?

>>715738657
>contains heresy.
How is it heresy?

>Son of Man mentioned
>Christ's 1000 year reign mentioned

This is why DQ is the best JRPG

>>715737542
I appreciate the proper response writeup anon, but I still don't actually know what games really focus on it, at least the kind that would've created the cliche/stereotypes of it. The bulk of it actually seems to be in manga and anime, sometimes manhwa too, which people seem to conflate with video games rather than it actually being dominant across JRPGs/Japanese games. Even in the last RPG I played where an antagonist declared himself to be a god, they made it explicitly clear it was just a man who stole a boat and attached it to a robot head, and he wasn't even the religious leader in that game, the fucking Pope joins your guild as a friendly character.

>>715739151
The plot of Dragon Quest 9 is that one of the highest rank Angels saw his Waifu die whiched caused him to get a huge hate boner against both God and Mortals, which resulting in him turning into a monster hell bent on killing everyone and the only way for you to stop him is to renounce your angelhood since its an active hinderance.

>>715738657
>th-that one doesn't count because... because the Rabbis didn't sign off on it!!
The Christkike reveals its true form. Die, Christkike, die!!

am i the only one that's seriously concerned that japanese people are dying everyday without accepting christ and therefore going to hell?

>>715739614
God is dead, I killed him. Saying it was hard would be a lie.

>No, MY <monotheistic desert tribe death cult>* is true!
* = Christianity/Islam/Mormonism

>>715740202
Don't care. Christ is king,

>>715740381
Fuentes is a faggot.

>>715739870
Why are Nips obsessed about their swords being able to cut God?

>>715740202
shalom

>>715739469
It's just that it neither was accepted by Jews or Christians, the heresy is more relevant to Christianity because its main heresy is claiming Enoch is the messiah. Not a problem for Jews, but it is for Christians.
But both the pre-Christian Jews and Christians agree that the stuff Enoch claims about things like angels or cosmology is against scripture in ways that range from minor to blatantly wrong.

>>715722039
the bible outright states that Satan appears under the guise of an angel of light.

but amerilards don't read the bible, they just pretend they do.

>>715740381
>Be me, low-level Demon
>bored one day, get an idea
>Put on some white robes
>Change my name to "Christ"
>Instantly millions of "Christians" start worshipping me as their King

Ez win, I guess?

>>715740381
>>715740805
>tricked by jews (canaanites)
Shalom, indeed.

99% of these zoomers that use Christianity as a substitute for a personality have never gone to church or read the Bible, honestly I envy you.

>>715741043
shalom

>>715741043
We all know you’re going to start a cult and then have sex with all the women

>>715741092
>the spiritual backbone of the civilized world is all a result of jewish 5d chess 7000iq trickery
lmao okay buddy

>>715741553
>I blindly believe everything I was told since birth and question nothing
"lmao okay buddy"

>>715741553
no no see jesus called them the synagogue of satan ironically.....

Religion is evil

>>715720497 (OP)
The only thing I know about christcuck lore is from when I saw that Moses cartoon, and the god in it had a special angel for killing babies or something.

>>715741621
>n-n-no, y-you're just indoctrinated!!
I rebelled and came back because it's the only religion that makes sense. nice try though

Oh, and of course the fact that god NTR'd some random fella who was explicitly said to be decent in the lore, seemingly just for the kicks of it.

>>715720497 (OP)
>The guys who keep telling you the angels are the bad guys are also the bad guys and keep a cycle of perpetual corruption occurring for a span beyond time

>>715720698
Buddhism simply prescribes most of the negative traits of demons onto women

>>715741831
>strawman
>random anecdote
>I HAVE to believe in a religion so YOU do too
Typical unempathetic Christian, nothing but judgment and vitriol. Work on those issues before you put your hands on somebody in real life for saying something you made up.

>>715720497 (OP)
>>715720547
>>715720592
>>715720642
christfag fragility is so embarrassing

>>715723886
a lot actually

>>715721361
That appeals better to the modern age, especially when one considers the current major form of governments in the west and east are all some variation of biblically-derived system founded on the Common Law, thus anyone who feels marginalized by it will naturally come to the conclusion God is to blame.

>>715732225
he's right

>>715732159
you're right

>>715741998
the irony of this post is palpable

>>715741749
Spiritualism is necessary for a fulfilling life however.

>>715742241
>vagueposting
sasuga

>>715736823
based

>>715720497 (OP)
>japanese jrpg

>>715723198
They accepted His system of laws over their own though, placing them in service of His followers.

>>715741831
>religion
>makes sense

>>715742021
*tips fedora*

>>715742462
r/atheism

>Dom Justo Takayama Ukon (c. 1552–1615) was a Japanese Christian daimyō exiled for his faith.
Born into a feudal lord family, he converted to Christianity at a young age along with his father. He became a military commander and promoted Christianity within his domains.
>In 1587, Regent Toyotomi Hideyoshi issued an edict expelling Christian missionaries. Although Ukon initially retained his position, anti-Christian policies intensified under the Tokugawa shogunate. In 1614, Shōgun Tokugawa Ieyasu banned Christianity and ordered believers to renounce their faith. Ukon refused and was stripped of his land and title. He was exiled to Manila with around 300 other Japanese Christians.
>In Manila, under Spanish rule, Ukon was received with honor. Spanish and Jesuit officials considered supporting a Christian-backed return to Japan, possibly involving Ukon, but he did not support any military action. He died of illness in 1615, less than a year after arriving.
>He was beatified by the Catholic Church in 2017 as a martyr and is known as Blessed Justo Takayama Ukon.

vgh what couldve been...

>>715733868
interesting post, thanks you.

>>715742668
based

>>715742185
actually i take this back i don't think you guys are right

>>715733868
To be fair to SMT though, the struggle is actually deeper than it appears on the surface when you realize the majority of times you fight "God" in that game are actually fighting a mortal that got elevated to fit into God's shoes as a test.
Law and Neutrality are ultimately both human-centric constructs in that series, and where Law offers a quick and dirty solution to the failings of humanity (SMT II the Law ending has all the bad parts of humanity nuked and then YHVW merked for being responsible, leaving only the blameless and innocent left), neutrality alternates between ultimately conceding to Law (any ending where you assume the Throne of Creation) or attempting to achieve enlightenment the old-fashioned way in an effort to prove the throne system is ultimately unnecessary, something the Chaosfags will neve be able to achieve as they ultimately strive to elevate fundamentally flawed creatures to the apex of power, never realizing that only by letting go of the flaws and vices that define them will they be able to reach the heights of strength that their rivals posses.

>Objective:
>Kill God.

>>715742668
I feel like Christianity is hated because of how controlling it is

>>715721361
I’m sorry, have demons flooded the planet and killed people left and right?
I’m a person who doesn’t tolerate evil, and God’s actions in the Bible paint him as a psychopath

>>715745279
it's hated because it reproves evil

>>715742021
truly enlightened by your own intelligence

>>715745667
No, it doesn’t.
Where is the condemnation of the tyrants, the corrupt, the rapists, the oppressors, and those who seek absolute dominion?

>>715720497 (OP)
>JRPG
>You are supposed to save God from an 'Archangel' that's trying to make God recreate the world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baroque_(video_game)

>>715721750
The Gargoyles weren't 'good', they literally have their own sense of morals and values, as well as their own bigotry and racism

>Angels are the good guys, but are portrayed as the villains because they genocide humans

>>715743257
I might be wrong, but isn't the idea of SMT's YHVH being a mortal ascended to this role only a concept that was retconned in the newer games? I don't remember anything in SMT1-2 that implied that.
Still that's a very interesting analysis, I always found neutral to be the better path in those games, so I definitely agree.
Although I wasn't going against SMT, moreso it was me trying to add cultural context to why SMT's themes were done that way. Especially since Teito Monogateri was a huge influence.

>>715720642
>>715720547
>>715720592
>>715720497 (OP)
>>715721361
who were the bad guys in the new testiment?
WHO WERE THE BAD GUYS IN THE NEW TESTIMENT!?

>>715749328
>absolute dominion
where you present at their final judgement dumbass? he remembers and sees all

>>715749328
Proverbs 6
>16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren

It's also a recurring theme throughout the whole New Testament, from the Gospels, to Romans 1, 2 Timothy 3, the Book of Revelation, etc.

>>715750552
That’s just it though. He treats shit like homosexuality as if it’s as bad as fucking genocide

>jrpg
>genocide
>racism
>cathloic church le evil
>nuke tier calamities
is kino

My problem with Christianity is that God comes across as ludicrously controlling. Like, why do we even have free will if we’re going to be punished for having it?

>>715750874
Yes. And?

>>715751035
That’s fucking moronic

>>715751012
we're punishes for misusing it, not for having it. and it's for our own good; ponder on the kind of actions we are getting punished for and you'll get it

>>715751128
Because?

>>715751159
We’re punished for stupid shit.
If he only wanted us to follow one path, he should’ve just made mindless worshippers.

>>715751012
Jesus died for your sins so now all you have to do is pray and try your best not to be completely irredeemable. Unless youre Catholic then by even thinking what you just typed your ass is going to the 666th ring of hell for eternity with no exceptions.

>>715751230
Who has killed and tormented more people? God or this random homo I know?

>>715751390
My problem is how retarded his standards are. He treats shit like sleeping around as if it’s as bad as rape

>>715751262
He already has angels for that. He wanted sons

>>715720547
>Yo Abraham bro, go kill your son Isaac to show how much you love god.
>LMAO, jk bro it was just a prank. I can't believe you were going to do it. Fucking priceless.
Yeah, I'm sure these are the actions of good beings

>>715751538
True. The holy spirit has extreme standards he wants us to abide by that are often nonsensical, but then again what almighty divine entity wouldn't? His frame of reference for his actions are not colored by our idea of fair.

>>715751538
You're looking at it through a fallible human perspective whose life ends at 120yrs ar most. Try looking at it at the scale of an infinite amount of time; then even lies becomes horrendous, let alone whoremongering

>>715751585
I refuse to listen to someone who has committed crimes that eclipse all of humanity’s worst actions

>>715751875
>I am going to judge God
have fun with that I guess

>>715720497 (OP)
>media where the devil and demons are good: >:(
>media where the devil and demons are good (japan): :O
Why is 4cuck like this?

>>715751809
I don’t see it.
If anything I’d probably think “Their lives are short. If they want to live with the precious time they have, so be it”

>>715752017
>do as thou wilt
is literally a luciferian doctrine. lol
Proverbs 14
>There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, But the end thereof are the ways of death.

>>715751938
Yes I am.
I don’t care how high and mighty and all powerful he is, eternal torture and isolation for the crime of mere idiocy is wrong

>>715752126
The only counter argument he offers is “I am almighty”
Yet he refuses to back up his reasoning, therefore proving that if he didn’t have power he wouldn’t be able to back his claims

>>715752313
It's the second death, not torture, and nobody has to go there as God provided an easy way out through Jesus Christ

John 3
>16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

>>715752465
I am aware of Hell being eternal blackness

>>715720497 (OP)
>>japanease
bing bing kiddie fucker

>>715752394
Well, is he not almighty? His reasoning is backed up by reality - evil actions ultimately lead to suffering and despair. Good actions do the opposite

>>715720497 (OP)
japanese don't worship a jew

>>715752584
yeah, the worship mammon and porn instead. very impressive

>>715752574
His definition of evil is fucked

>>715742668
>convert
>no thanks
>welp, guess it's time to trick some local rubes into starting a civil war
>even the rube converts reject your psycho plans
I don't have anything witty to say, I just don't like catholics

>>715752680
according to who? you? lmao

>>715752641
i'm sure their kid fucking numbers are actually lower than the numbers you've achieved

I like Painkiller

>>715752574
embarassingly naive post award

>>715752762
>Killing is evil (except when I flood the world and kill thousands of innocent Egyptians for no good reason)
>Lying is evil (except when I lie to Abraham in order to test his faith)
>Torture is evil (except when I allow Job to suffer every pain barring death just to test his faith)
If any person was put on trial for all the crimes god commits then they'd be sent to jail zero questions asked.

>>715733671
I'd play Al Bundy Versus the Mall, no questions asked.

>>715753374
God flooding the world was a mercy kill; see
Genesis 6
>And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually
He did not lie to Abraham. Re-read the story; it's also an image/prophecy of what will happen later with God and his Son, Jesus Christ. Job was tortured by Satan, not God; re-read the beginning

>>715753659
OK, so killing random people en masse is cool so long as you think their beliefs are wrong? That won't hold up in court.
Sure I guess he doesn't lie to Abraham but he could be seen as inciting murder.
And again, god doesn't directly harm Job but he tells satan that he should torture him, again another example of inciting a crime.

>>715754682
Their thoughts were only evil continually anon, that's not mere difference in beliefs. He does not tell Satan that he "should" torture him at all; see

Job 1
>8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? 9 Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? 10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. 11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. 12 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.

>>715742668
He easily take Korea

>>715742462
Perhaps the same could be said of all concepts like morals, property, laws and borders

>>715752845
See >>715723425

>>715720497 (OP)
>jrpg
>angels are the bad guys
>end phase reveals that the demons were the actual bad guys tarnishing the angels name
kino

>>715722923
shes just a modified human soldier who was made to fight and sit on my face

>>715734384
>Impotent atheicuck seething: mission impossible

>>715733868
>That's Islamic tradition,
OP didn't specified which tradition lol

>>715740802
because its badass

>wrpg
>"my pronou-"

>>715720497 (OP)
>video game
>religion from an entirely different culture is depicted in an interesting way through the developer's own cultural values and beliefs
this isn't any different from god of war making the greek gods bad

>christian rpg
>a jew is god

>>715735594
No they don't because gnosticism is selective headcanon.

>>715736134
The entire reason the Old Testament and New Testament are part of the same scripture is because Christ is the single common thread between them. You categorically do not understand the bible without this. The fact that you presume God is too mean in the OT is irrelevant.

(YOU!) Yes, (you)! I want YOUR must play JRPG's. I've barely played any and I want the best of the best. Seriously, just shit them out, preferably your best recommendations first.

what's wrong with having god as the bad guy? It makes for a pretty good villain

first mission
>rescue a kitten
final mission
>kill god

Classic coming of age.

>>715720497 (OP)
the angels aren't bad, YOU are, as divine beings everything they do is good.

its fun using religion as a videogame karma system, so much easier than dealing with the nuance of human motives.

>>715720497 (OP)
>>715720547
>>715720592
Name one game

>>715740802
Japan needs to rebel against an all controlling godhood in their games because they live in a super authoritarian society that shits on them and makes them live in boxes. So they rebel in their media. They can't rebel against Japan because that would be heretical so they rebel against the second most famous religion they know, which is christianity. It's not rocket science. They all know they hate their own societal expectations but better to live in Japan and be Japanese than be one of those rioting monkeys on the outside. But still repressed enough to need to fight something to get their frustrations out, hence the western tint.

A more nuanced view
>Non-monotheistic view of divinity, as well as one in which the ascension of individuals to divinity is more palatable than in Judeochristian thought
>From a historical perspective, Japanese history is full of "divine" entities that were quite literally overthrown, a la the de-mystification of the Emperor
>Many JRPG tropes were cemented in the 90s, right after the bubble economy of the 80s crashed and the new god of Capitalism was pretty much slain in the eyes of many young and creative folks
>"Killing god" is an acceptable form of rebellion that appeals to those who feel constrained by the rigidity of Japanese society. You rage against the machine in games because you can't rage against your boss IRL. Same thing with why high school settings are so common in anime/manga/LNs; it's about nostalgia for a time where you weren't constrained by "adult society".

>>715757034
golden sun.

>>715756659

>>715757034
play trails in the sky FC on nightmare, but don't continue to play that series at all if you think that one sucks. its the best game in the franchise and it literally is all down hill from there (story wise). gameplay wise SC is the best but in exchange the cancer and writing are less good. install the evo voice mod, do not install the evo music mod.

>>715757034
Wild Arms 2 and 3.
Personally like 3 more since gameplay is generally more polished and the smaller core cast feels more cohesive bouncing off each other but in the actual plot and themes 2 still has a lot going for it. 3 focuses a lot more on the personal growth of the heroes and their relationship as a team, 2 has deeper themes about heroism.

>Bad Guy was a robot controlling the kingdoms from behind the scenes


>was actually programmed eons ago to protect and make humanity happy as a worker android of a space theme park

>MC defeats him and unleashes the real evil monsters created by super ancient humans, ravaging the world and changing the map forever.

>MC defeats the monsters BUT the real bad guy was a regular friendly NPC that wants to revive his wife and turns every other friendly NPC and enemies into his brainwashed minions

>after MC beats mr.bad guy, his wife awakens from hybernation and it's actually an alien that wants to blow up the planet

>>715751694
I'm not Christian, but my interpretation would be that if you are truly pious everything turns out ok no matter what.

>>715757427
>in exchange the
grinding
>cancer

>>715720497 (OP)
>angels are LE GOOD
>christ is KING
>Also pwease no sex before marriage, thanks!
>Also pwease eat cornflakes instead of masturbating
Total christcuck DEATH

>>715751694
It wasn't a prank. It was a test of loyalty. God's own Son was the only one He ever actually required for a sacrifice. He spared Abraham the hardship and took it on Himself.

>>Japanese Japanese Role Playing Game
I'm not even giving a (You) for that, you know what you did

>>715720497 (OP)
Educate thyself. Reverse-orientalism gives some great insight into one's domestic cultural references.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRbbTqxxHVI

>>715757714
I don't recall saying please.

Fucking secondaries. Gun to the head, name 10 japanese games where you shank actual god, no some demon larping as god, not some guy who did xianxia cultivation to become god, not evil god, not someone who kinda looks and act like god. Capital GOD.

>>715757034
>FFVI, FFX

>>715738442
kike

>>715757714
The fact that OP didn't specify which religion but you immediately thought of Christianity shows that in your mind even if you don't want to admit it you know the True God is Christian and that triggers you for some reason.

>>715757309
>>715757427
>>715757441
>>715759528
Thanks anons. I'll check these out. If you got any more lay them on me, it's one genre I've neglected and I'd like to see what if has to offer.

>>715751230
Name a more loyal companion than the asexual homo
>>715760314
fumika

>>715720497 (OP)
>>angels are the bad guys

Fallen Angels are not that uncommon as a 'bad guy' trope.

>>715721526
because God is hardcore like that

>>715720497 (OP)
>American RPG
>Pies are the bad guys

>>715751694
the building of Issac symbolically makes Issac sacred. when you sacrifice things in abrahamism you are supposed to sacrifice your best, if you sacrifice less than your best it's bad, as demonstrated in the story of Cain and Abel. therefore sacrificing Issac was signifying he was the best of Abraham, and he became the foundation of the religion, giving birth to Jacob after esau. thus we had Abraham who was righteous enough that God chose him to be the patriarch of his chosen people, but he was not yet good enough and we had two generations of spiritual refinement where contrary to custom it was not the first born who inherited the father's business but specifically the second born after the while present in the father's were removed, first with Ishmael creating Issac from Abraham, who the binding of shows was sacred, but even then it wasn't good enough and it's took his second son to finally be good enough. the first wife of Abraham is am, an egyptian, took the paganism out of him and combined it into Ishmael, to create arabs the destroyers of pagans. thus passing on his monotheism to Issac. esau took his disobedience and passion away, and later calmed the European barbarians with Roman Christianity, leaving Jacob the gentle bookworm, ideal for a religion based on reason and law.

>>715757034
Dragon Quest I, II, and III are must plays. II is frankly underrated, and III really is one of the best games of all time. I'd also recommend Shin Megami Tensei as a series, and while SMT1 is my favorite, it does have a lot of balance issues that other games improve on in the series. And if you like that, try out Wizardry. It started as an American series, but Japan has kept the brand around way longer with tons of high quality spin off games. Just know that it's going to be quite a bit harder than the previous two series I posted. PS1 ports of 1-5 are definitely easier due to including automap, but it doesn't really make much else that much easier at all outside of, you know, actual animations when you're teleported or spun around and stuff.
If you want some good action RPGs I'd recommend Ys as a very quick and simple game to get into. Fun bump combat, great music, and you can beat the first two games in two days easily. Other Falcom RPGs would also be recommendations from me, like Dragon Slayer II: Xanadu (I recommend the 1995 PC98 version "Revival Xanadu"), and Brandish.

>>715749651
It's moreso that they're not explicitly evil was what I was getting at.

it was cool in FFT because that was my first JRPG with this trope but despite that they just copied elements from the evil things that the church did back in the old days

>JRPG
>the church are the good guys

>>715732412
>All that matters is the real world
ah yes, mutt: the religion, impressive.

>>715757528
>Aw shit, here we go again.

>>715720497 (OP)
>Dragon Quest
>most popular japanese rpg
>church is good
>angels are good except for Lucifer
Retardef tourist.

>>715720547
>>715722951
False: Dragon Quest.

>jjrpg
>chaos is the bad guy

>>715720497 (OP)
>jrpg
>player fan base consists mostly of hikikomories
>gameplay heavy emphasis on friendship
>the power of friendship is the key to defeat the story boss

Im looking at every persona game ever...

>>715757528
RPG Maker slop is always goof cinema.

>angels are the bad guys
https://files.catbox.moe/tlv3uu.webm

>>715720497 (OP)
In Lies of P (made by Koreans) the "angel" is inadvertently "evil" by the flaw of being absolutely benevolent towards humans. It beloved all humans while being unable to understand their morality and would grant them literal wishes with disastrous consequences. The humans ultimately had to betray and murder this "angel" to save themselves.

>>715751128
It would lead to the downfall of society if left unchecked, especially in the period of time covered in both the OT and NT. The amount of people we had even in the 1700s is magnitudes larger than what they had even a thousand years prior let alone two thousand years prior. It is objectively a bad thing for humanity as a whole and not treating it like a bad thing is extremely dumb from every viewpoint. It would lead to less people producing food because they are genetic dead ends, it would lead to less people in general having children leading to no one to take care of the elderly leading to mass deaths across the board, having less people for agrarian needs leads to it being harder for humanity as a whole to spread out and would have taken significantly longer for groups to form, etc.

There is zero reason to defend it from a human species perspective and from a realistic perspective. It is objectively a bad thing to promote it or normalize it and this still continues today by being a bad thing to promote as it causes people who otherwise would not have even thought about such a thing to lean towards it as they grow up because it's not as stigmatized. You treat them like normal people but you do not normalize their lifestyle nor their preferences.

>>715757528
This is how it felt to play Astlibra.
How are these escalations sometimes so compelling when at other times they feel like utter nonsense in other stories?

>>715762842
Why sacrifice anything anything at all if the God has the power not to? Is he evil?

>>715720497 (OP)
>japanease jrpg

>>715721526
For the lulz

>>715723936
Fuck off Clanker

>>715734363
Anon I think you might be retarded.
You're argument is just "good doesn't mean anything" without taking into context that growth and improving yourself as a human have commonly accepted values.
Literally the same shit of a villain going "If you kill me you're just as bad."

>>715773487
>growth and improving yourself as a human have commonly accepted values.
Name those commonly accepted values, then. I'm sure no one will disagree with you, right?
>Literally the same shit of a villain going "If you kill me you're just as bad."
Literally what Jesus says with "turn the other cheek" and "give him your coat", etc.

>>715736134
>while Jesus in the NT is a meek man who promotes non-violence.
Didn't he whip a bunch of Jews because the merchants are selling t-shirt in a church?

>>715736854
and they lost lol.
yahweh was such a jobber

>>715720497 (OP)
>Devil: Evil but inherits all the bad traits because they are the bad guys, very petty and stupid for not siding with God. They are like cockroaches and all you need to do is swat them.
>Angel: 500 IQ almighty being, can break every bone in your body just by giving you a look. Has power to end the world but they don't.
Gee I wonder why latter is more fun and climactic to fight as an end-game boss, while the former often appears as a random low-level grunt

>>715766072
This. Dragon Quest is surprisingly Christian as fuck, church is literally the place to heal, revive your dead team, and save your game.

>>715766849
did you just say chaos?

>>715757834
If Jesus was God's own son why would God need to "test" Abraham's loyalty? It doesn't make sense.

>>715773605
Yes and he also said "I cam not to bring peace, but a sword" which has been used to justify all kinds of violence even to this day ...

>>715722070
I am God.

>>715732665
I dare you to cope harder.