Thread 715755058

What went wrong?

The same group of trannies that ruined Fire Emblem found their way into Persona

Most people are clearly burnt out from JRPGs. This is what you get for putting the same guy in charge of all the main JRPGs.

>>715755058 (OP)
Sega. And also the fact that all the founding members and other such significant figures of the company either left, or have since lost their creativity.

>>715755058 (OP)
Literally nothing

>>715755058 (OP)
Their refusal to give people what they really want.
By people I mean me and like 20 other guys but you get the point.

they've not made a non-smt/persona or etrian game since catherine in 2011. 14 years of sticking to the same formula and not bothering to try something new, and even etrian has been dormant for 7 years

>>715755058 (OP)
Every game they made from then on is just remasters or "Persona 5 but X"

>>715756127
How much influence has Sega really had outside of likely forcing Denuvo on all their games? Atlus wasn't much better with their business practices in their Index days. The rest of your post is correct.

>>715757156
>>715757243
These guys are also correct.

>>715756825
Success doesn’t equal good quality. I guess Ubisoft is an amazing company if that’s the case.

>>715755058 (OP)
They still haven't embraced the AI age.

>>715757391
The metric used by metacritic is quality, illiterate brownoid.

>>715757713
>Calling someone brown when he uses Metacritic

>>715757713
The metric metacritic uses is the opinions of retarded viyda journalists a culture warriors.

>>715758365
>The metric metacritic uses is the opinions of retarded viyda journalists
I agree, picrel is the most blatantly proof.

>>715758725
Obsessed.

>>715755058 (OP)
metaphor and smtv:v were fun, i'd say they're doing ok
>buh buh persona!!!
persona has and will always be dogshit for manchildren, you can't ruin what was never good

>>715758771
>seething
Stay mad, retard

nothing went wrong. they released 3 great games last year
I'm currently playing all of their 3ds games

>>715755058 (OP)
Persona grew too big and they got a taste of that big money so now they're more adverse to making smaller titles more often. You have developers like Atlus and Gust that once weren't as big in the previous era but once devs like these get a big success, it fucks with them. Devs like these function better when they're constantly on the verge of bankruptcy. Atlus was one of the bigger niche devs but the success of P5 in particular really screwed with them.

>>715755145
It’s not even just about that anymore, dude. Now they’re chasing the Western validation so hard they forgot what made their games interesting to begin with. Everything’s just homogenized anime drama with fluorescent colors and a loot system. It’s like they gutted their soul so they could get Game Awards nods and TikTok cosplayer clout.

>>715755058 (OP)
Persona 5 got super popular and /v/eddit has had a decade long melty over it.

>>715755058 (OP)
no decent writers

>>715755058 (OP)
Getting bought out by sega means they will never take risks again. Shows why metaflop was so uninspired after taking 8 years to make.

>>715755058 (OP)
I can only really say that they've been so tunnel visioned on persona and it doesn't seem like they have the technical capacity to meaningfully accomplish or improve much

>>715760054
>still forgotten, even after endless journo astroturfing
>replaced in the public eye by E33, a game made by literally whos

Lots of companies put out shitty predatory gacha games. That's not gonna kill it for me. If they fuck up a mainline SMT, or even a non-spinoff Persona game, then I'm reevaluating my relationship with Atlus. But they've still got a really good batting average with me.

Tick tock
Shartenix will be dead soon

More like Shatlus

>>715755058 (OP)
I want to know why the guys crunching numbers for SMT IVA aren't working on every single fatlus game in production
it was the first balanced game they ever made

gaped by a nier clone

>>715755058 (OP)
Persona fan =/= Atlus fan, look at Metaphor, sold 1m in 5h then took like 8 months to sell 2m.

>>715755058 (OP)
>Atlus became mainstream
>/v/edditors hate them and their games now
many such cases

They peaked with Catherine

>>715755058 (OP)
Fatlus shit sucks

>>715763023
still the best gameplay they've made. it's a shame V/VV was a downgrade

Reminder that Rebirth flopped hard. Still no official sales numbers, just schizoids saying the game was a success.

>>715755058 (OP)
Weebs discovered Persona 5 and flooded the surveys begging them to make 3 and 4 Dancing games over P1 and 2 remakes
Sega bought Atlus mid 05 development and naturally they milked the shit out of the franchise so now it's been reduced to weeb gacha slop

>>715755058 (OP)
They got too popular. Atlus games were always somehow niche in the west. With P5 they exploded.
Same thing happened to Gust, the games gained in production value but Atelier lost its charm and appeal once it went mainstream. All the characters are hags too now because cute girls are icky to the normalfag.

>>715763964
>Catranny
it's one of their worst slops
back then this is the most commerish coomer-slop people on consoles thats why coomers hyped it, but now with PC gaming and easy access to games far more erotic and degenerate than this shit it became obsolete
it didn't help the remake added a literal tranny character lmao

>>715764808
>Atelier
>mainstream
lol
>If they fuck up a mainline SMT
anon V: The Tranny Simulator came out 4 years ago

>>715765120
Ryza was super popular and put the series under the spotlight. It might not be Persona 5 tier mainstream but compared to where the series used to be, the Ryza series sold over 2M copies, in the past Atelier games barely managed to break 100k in the past. And that newfound popularity led to dumbing down and appealing to "the global market".

>>715755058 (OP)
>The death of Megaten spinoffs
>Remakes
>Not making a single new unique ip since Catherine almost 15 years ago (I love Metaphor but it's just Persona 5 x Digital Devil Saga but fantasy)
>Etrian Odyssey Next Stage being pretty much vaporware
That went wrong

>>715763858
>look at Metaphor
You mean the game that got to 2 million faster than any other game Atlus ever put out including P5? And greatly outperformed the last Persona release in the same window? Which was not 8 months btw, but slightly less than 6
P5 would probably have that achievement if it was multiplatform at release but the only people looking at Metaphor and seeing something inherently beneath the other games are butthurt SEAs and FF/E33 braindead shills

>>715759403
>word vomit + buzz words
Jesus you sound like a mouthbreathing faggot.

>>715767232
He sounds like he's from southeast asia*

Nothing is wrong when Atlus makes merch as low effort as pic related, sells it for 16,000 yen, and people actually buy it.

8 years to make this dogshit lol

>>715767018
I liked Metaphor, it's a good game but let's be real it's a reskin of Persona 5 in a fantasy setting, from art direction to writing, scope, gameplay, everything about it screams team B. And I'm not talking about production value here.

>>715767526
see the butthurt SEA in his natural habitat

>>715767593
It's literally the exact opposite of a B team game, but what does your post have to do with anything

>>715755058 (OP)
Transitioning to the HD era stifled creativity and they became very risk-averse. Couple that with P5's success and now everything has to either literally be P5 or be P5-inspired to a fault. Their games are likely selling better than ever before but no one remembers them. P5T and strikers? forgotten. Soul hackers 2? forgotten. Metaphor? Sold and reviewed very well but was memoryholed within a couple months barring the occasional schizo thread where the resident pro and anti FF retards hash it out.

>>715767650
P5T and Soul Hackers 2 are the only games listed here no one actually gives a shit about
Persona threads don't last very long on this board either anymore because the audience here is almost completely different from what it was 10 years ago. Even when something is brand new, barring the metaphor demo release that bogged this board down in SEA propaganda threads, P4 remake getting announced to so little fanfare put this completely into perspective

>>715755058 (OP)
Went woke. Just like the rest of SEGA.

>>715755058 (OP)
>picture of a company that's making more money and receiving more positive reviews than ever
>"What went wrong?"
>50 completely straight-faced serious replies
this board is irredeemably retarded

>>715767650
>but no one remembers them
Isn't that just every game? The hype cycle is so infernal that you either have to be a Fromsoft game or tied to a controversy to be remembered. Even Expedition 33 has faded away and that was a really big deal.

>>715767956
>P4 remake getting announced to so little fanfare put this completely into perspective
That’s because they showed basically nothing in the teaser. The P4 remake was what everyone was most looking forward to in the Xbox direct from what I noticed in the sticky thread. It was also the most viewed video out of everything else they showed.

>>715767518
This gay couple OWNS mainline now and for the next 10 years as well.

>>715768451
P4R got way less engagement in general than the P3R teaser got but that's a separate issue, we're talking about /v/ which is literally supposed to be P4 central

>>715755058 (OP)
>Muh games should sell
>Our games need to appeal to a wider audience
This mindset unironically killed the integrity of the company

>>715768643
>the integrity of the company
lol
lmao

>>715755058 (OP)
Who was honestly the dumbass that decided Metaphor shouldn't have dating? Just fire him tomorrow.

>>715755058 (OP)
i remember when this company said they would never port their games to PC

>>715768702
If anything they'll cut dating out of P6 too - I'm sure they want more of their games to sell 2 million copies in half a year

>>715768050
What good are profits and praise when people ignore your actual good games? Atlus sold its soul.

>>715768701
this is pure cope

>>715768848
the actual good games
>some barely playable dungeon crawlers the latter half of which diehard fans were shitting on at release but will worship on principle in 2025 because they feel more left out than ever, and still didn't show up to support when they got ported to switch and PC
>two janky SRPGs with 3DS rereleases, the latter of which got an anime that again no one showed up to support and was quietly shelved, whose fans today will never be honest about the retarded writing even worse than Persona 4

>>715768592
99% of Persona discussion on /v/ is about waifus which the P4 trailer did not show. The Reload trailer at least showed others characters besides the protagonist and therefore was discussed more on /v/. The math checks out

Atlus caters exclusively to the dregs who rightfully got bullied in high-school.

>Persona 4 remake late 2026/ early 2027
>still no sign of Persona 6

I've been playing Metaphor for the past two months, and according to a YouTube playthrough, I’m only about 40% through. It started off strong, but the middle portion really drags — it’s becoming a slog to get through. Kinda underwhelming for such a praised game ngl.

>>715760054
>2024
Lol. Lmao even.

>>715768050
Every penny faglus makes goes to sega.

>>715769834
The middle portion of the game is kind of slow but from the moment you get the last party member it has one of the strongest last acts of an Atlus game imo.

>>715768004
This same localization editor censored how gay VV was. But it's a mainline game so you don't give a shit.

>>715769834
Same. By the end of the game I didn't care for any character except maybe Basilio. E33 mogs Metaphor in plot department so hard it's not even funny.

>>715769834
If you can't deal with slower paced parts of games you're really better off not playing big RPGs in general, but all Atlus games with the calendar system are basically kryptonite for people that get worked up over pacing and see slow pacing as a flaw

>>715770373
>by the end of the game I didn't care about any character besides the one that joined the party at the very end
with an attention span like that it's no wonder you like astroturf 33

>>715759403
A whole comment of cope and not even a coherent criticism of their gameplay. Unreal. You must touch grass anon, you have terminally online brainrot.
>>715767593
Yes, and P5 is a reskin of P3 which was already ripped off by P4. Atlus is a lazy trend chasing company but holy shit at least play a video game before posting here.
Jannies are and will always be massive faggots for allowing discourse on /v/ to degrade to this level

>>715757156
ANY FUCKING DAY NOW ETRIAMS

>>715770373
You know. You all know exactly who I am. Say my name. I'm the man who killed Atlus. Now, say my name.
>Guillaume Broche
You're goddamn right.

>>715770997
E33 did more damage to RPG (communities) than FF15

>>715755058 (OP)
Nothing?

>>715770997
>nepobaby that literally has access to more money than the budgets of any AA JRPG ever made
>could only shit out 3 million copies with marketing on the level of a sporting event thanks to his oligarch father's connections

>>715770373
expedition 33 had fucking nothing in terms of story. i didn't really love the metaphor cast they were just ok, but i felt nothing for anyone in expedition 33 outside of gustave

>>715755058 (OP)
They shouldn't have let kaneko go, shame about him being a nftkike/ainigger

>>715755058 (OP)
They fund and publish Vanillaware's games more often than not so they're fine in my book

>>715771935
>more often than not
isn't muramasa like the only one that Atlus didn't pitch in on which was why it was basically unplayable until the vita revision

>>715771246
I Kneel Sega/Atlus Chads

SMT releases once every 100 years and they stopped making spinoffs
Guy who made all Personas stopped making them so there will never be a good Persona again

>>715770610
Not him but if you want moderation then you should use Reddit. We don't beg jannies for help here.

>>715768573
>gay couple
This falseflagger meme went completely out of hand.

>>715755058 (OP)
How much of a contrarian do you have to be to say that Persona 5 and Metaphor are signs of a company in decline?

>>715773095
you just have to be born in SEA and have such a severe gacha addiction that expedition 33 basically changed your life

>>715773006
This bitching about it being a "lie" are newfags that played VV first. It's been gay since the original release.

>>715767650
>Soul Hackers 2
This one really was created by one of their B teams, the same one that catfished us with the TMS game. That team was never good.

>>715755058 (OP)
Zoomers

>>715773169
It wasn't really. Aogami and MC's relationship remain clearly non-romantic throughout the whole story.
But of course falseflaggers who only learnt about the game from yaoi fanart wouldn't know that.

>>715768740
Was that pre or post Sega?

>>715771993
Nah, the Muramasa port was published by Marvelous too. There's more than you'd think, these are the Vanillaware games Atlus wasn't involved with
>Fantasy Earth (2006, Square Enix)
>GrimGrimoire and GrimGrimoire OnceMore (2007/2022, NIS)
>Kumatanchi (2008, Dimple)
>Muramasa and Muramasa Rebirth (2009/2013, Marvelous)
>Grand Knights History (2011, Marvelous)
The rest was published by Atlus and of course Princess Crown was developed by Atlus before Vanillaware was officially established. Anyway, it's safe to assume they'll be doing the publishing for any new games

>>715759403
Japanese insularity protects them from a lot of the western decay, but a lot of these types that start out artsy and idolize the west, and especially when they come into a lot of money, start hobnobbing with elite leftists types and end up selling out completely.

>>715755058 (OP)
Nothing. They're still making great games.

>>715773736
You say shit like this, meanwhile leftists shit on Persona 5 and Metaphor because they aren't progressive enough

>>715773545
>Aogami and MC's relationship remain clearly non-romantic throughout the whole story.
They got a bench. 2 quests clarify they are in love with each other. The MC tries to inch closer to Aogami in the bench through the course of the game. And even without the bench, one of those quests has been around since the original game on switch. You didn't pay attention to shit. Doi even made a joke about Aogami taking the MC's virginity when they first fused.

>>715773893
Nobody said it was a good idea.

>>715773795
bro it's been like 25-30 years since their last good game.

fuck what year did SO:2nd come out?

>>715773976
>SO:2nd
this much contarianism wraps around to being cringe as fuck

>>715773976
Your tastes are just too dogshit, you're a braindead doomer shit poster that thinks 95% of games are bad in general or you can't appreciate anything that isn't from your youth.

Metaphor and SMT VV were both last year and both good games.

>>715774054
VV was side quest goyslop

>>715774186
I don't care about your bad opinion desu

>>715773949
>They got a bench.
Yeah, and all bench scenes are like:
>"Well, this story story thing happened."
>"I'll keep supporting you, shonen."
If this looks gay to you, then it's (You) problem.

Persona 2 is my favorite persona game and I'm tired of being drowned out by retards shouting "persona started at 3" whenever I bring it up. P4 is my favorite of the NuSona

>>715774297
>Persona 2 is my favorite persona game
I'm sorry you have a terminal case of bad opinion and just don't care about gameplay at all.

VV is actually a BiFag game. thats why V-kun is such a slut and leads on chaos girl/law girl and the robo-dude

>>715774235
>2 quests clarify they are in love with each other.
Sure, a character declaring that he wants to protect another character forever 40% of the time in side dialog isn't gay unless the game makes it explicit or clarifies the intention. The game does that. You are upset you played a gay ass game, that's the only reason you could be bitching about this or even care.

>>715774054
AYO THIS NIGGA THINKS SMT IS GOOD LMAO
Bro Nocturne and Persona 2 were also like 20-25 years ago jesus christ kid.

your standards are not near high enough zoomer.

>>715774368
I've played worse desu. I enjoyed SMT If.... I'm not going to say persona 2 has good gameplay, it frankly doesn't, but its still worth a playthrough for the story and demon conversations, I liked that system.

>>715774054
How can one reply be so unfathomably based? You single-handedly described nearly every /v/tard's mindset

>>715774219
So spending the whole game running around doing little unrelated and inconsequential side quests, with next to no main plot, is good game design?

>>715774393
>a character declaring that he wants to protect another character
What's gay about protecting your comrade in arms in a dangerous situation? Stop being obsessed with turning everything gay.

>>715774503
Why don't you suck his dick bro?

>>715755058 (OP)
The entire talent that actually made Atlus good in the 90s and early 00s being gone for starters
But it all began as soon as Okada left

>>715774459
>I've played worse desu. I enjoyed SMT If....
I would rather replay SMT If... 10 times more than I want to replay Persona 2. If... has much better gameplay and I'm saying that unironically, it's just the map design is shit but at least it's not boring (outside of Sloth but Persona 2 is basically sloth 24/7)

>>715774607
>ignoring everything else I've said
Absolute retard

>>715767650
I liked P5 Strikers.
Soul hackers 2 is forgotten because it was a dogshit game

>>715770997
Guillaume Broche loves JRPGs and Atlus in particular thoughbeit
https://www.sandfall.co/team
>literally lists Persona 3 as one of his favourite games

>>715775865
Strikers is such an unfortunate game. Atlus did it dirty by making Royal storyline basically "Strikers 2.0".

>>715755058 (OP)
Nothing, they're the best JRPG developer.

>>715764163
VV is leagues better. Much better skill balance, demon balance and infinitely better designed bosses.

>>715755058 (OP)
Something that starts with "P" and ends with "4".

>>715775865
>>715776658
I know people normally hate musous, but Strikers was the only musou I legit liked from start to end. I never could stomach Dynasty Warriors or the Legend games from Switch and I never played Persona 5 before.

>>715776820
VV instead of being a give everyone the same active skills game like IV is a give everyone the same passive skills game
Then there's the unique ability shit which is just a matter of who generates press turns the best
I'm not thrilled with either version of V

>>715777182
What you're describing is pretty much a post-game stuff.
But during the first playthrough those new innate passives and low-ish level unique abilities are great. And they massively improve the combat compared to original V.

>>715757713
>metacritic

>>715767232
i think you just can't read. it's lacking in COPE COPE SEETHE COPE TOUCH GRASS like a certain other retard calling him terminally online (lol)

>>715755058 (OP)
Nothing. I hope they remake smt1/2 and the 3ds titles. Don't care for shitsona but they'll probably continue to milk p5 spinoffs

>>715755058 (OP)
they used to have a pretty diverse library of games but once persona 5 caught on they spend the next 10 years trying to replicate its success

>>715777447
>low-ish level unique abilities
No way, they had 0 impact on the game at all until you got to those endgame ones, and until endgame the base magatsuhi skill is still the only one you'll ever use until you're ready to evade or ikuyumi spam everything to death
Metatron is literally the first demon I identified as having their unique ability contribute to a boss at all (and that boss? Masakado)
Arioch is still the same abysmal shitfest he was in the original and everything before that is still either steamroll material or painful for no reason like the ubisoft towers before the Surt fight, and the new route just generally has better bosses from a design perspective. The combat changes really did not do much besides reinvent the endgame into something that borderline feels like a gacha

>>715774373
Nah he doesn't lead Yoko or Tao anywhere. Anything outside of demon negotiation, he's after Aogami's dick or crying over it. In the haunt demon women flirt with him and then bitch he doesn't return their affection. When male demons like Zeus ask for sex, he's disgusted. In demon negotiation though he's a fucking whore which explains why demon women get upset when he stops caring after they're recruited. He tries to screw female and male demons.

>>715777834
Retard

>>715755058 (OP)
pandering to kids instead of teens

>>715755058 (OP)
They sold out for the californian audience. They also let atlus west have way too much power.