Thread 715766520

Defend this

>>715766520 (OP)
I can't nor would I if I could. Morrowind 4 life.

>>715766574
fpbp even if you are samefagging

>>715766520 (OP)
Move. On.

>>715766520 (OP)
next game should only feature three skill trees: magic, combat and thievery

>>715766574
morrowind removed
Language, Backstabbing, Climbing, Critical Strike, Dodging, Etiquette, Streetwise, Medical, Pickpocket, Running, Swimming, and Thaumaturgy

>>715766520 (OP)
half of these were already removed by oblivion but I'm guessing that's the point of this OP so that fans of all 3 games can fight

>>715766520 (OP)
it made you seethe so it must've been a good change

>>715766520 (OP)
Oblivion was the one that remove Medium Armor though

>>715766520 (OP)
No one really used them apart from incels
Nothing of value was lost

>>715766520 (OP)
There's no defending it if you're playing vanilla. Modded however... Requiem and Ordinator fix pretty much any issue with the perk system.

>>715766520 (OP)
The thing that annoys me is they could’ve cut down on the pointless "improve X skill by 20%" perks and made more branches for the shit they removed. Why couldn’t hand to hand been on one of the melee trees? Or acrobatics part of sneak?

>>715766520 (OP)
skyrim did not remove medium armor, short blade, axe, spear or unarmored. Oblivion did

>>715766520 (OP)
Skyrim's best aspect was the music, and only because it wasn't done by Bethesda. one of the most untalented dev teams imo

I cant but I find it funny most gamers ignore or defend it anyways. People who claim the medium is infested with less content, bad practices, dishonesty, preordering, paid DLC and MTX will ALWAYS defend Todd removing mechanics in roleplaying games.

>>715766520 (OP)
OH BOY HAND TO HAND, I LOVE MAKING SURE MY REWARDS FOR EXPLORING HAVE EVEN MORE CHANCE TO BE WORTHLESS BECAUSE I DONT USE ANY WEAPONS AT ALL MEANING EVERY WEAPON IS WORTHLESS.

Unless the game is a brawler, I don't give a fuck about unarmed combat.

>>715766520 (OP)
I hate how they keep dumbing everything down. I expect in TES6 you will have complete Armour sets that are single slot , including rings, hat , boots , gloves and hood/cape. There's going to be 2 spell schools Destruction & Mending.
It's going to be a massive disappointment
>>715766773
Kek

>>715767158
>worthless
wrong, it's worth however much gold you can sell it for.

>>715766520 (OP)
Skyrim was a better game than those released previous and those changes probably contributed to it

>>715766708
Doesn't matter, can fly

>>715767163
I like how they can't remake morrowind because slavery and plantations were a central feature

>>715766708
morroniggers like to forget this.

>>715767283
it may sound like bait but I genuinely believe that Bethesda games improve when they remove RPG elements. they've always sucked at it and are better off just making open world hack n slash adventure games

>>715767158
It's for role playing, dumb-dumb. Sometimes you want to be a big cron that punches dragons to death, sometimes an archer, sometimes a mage etc etc.

>>715766675
It should just be open world Dark Messiah.

>>715766520 (OP)
>h2h
yes a sad loss
>Acrobatics and Athletics
Nothing of value was lost
>Mercantile
the same
>Mysticism
bloat spells no one used
>Medium armor
also a sad loss because fucking ESO has it
>smalls weapons
also nothing of value was lost
>Spear
removed in oblivion, useless in morrowind, most spear and javelin mods cant lift a candle to diablo 2 and other games
>Unarmored
Also a sad loss but what use?

Oblivion did some of that
Not Skyrim Skyrim just removed from oblivion

>>715767435
In morrowind I just max everything to 100 and then fly around the map

>>715767158
a real game should have tech scrolls that unlock new attacks as loot for martials in general

>>715767158
Gotta go fast. Hand to hand and unarmored plus max speed. Carry nothing puch things faster than they can touch me.

>>715767406
>I like how they can't remake morrowind because slavery and plantations were a central feature
The very best features. What a bunch of cowards. I wish they stopped making kids games and marketed back to adults. If the main bad guy just finished raping a village to death, it motivates you to stop him instead if "He is even because he's evil! He wants to rule as king!!! How evil he is!! Omg." Like, bitch being a tyrants not even on the list of bad things you can do. Alduin was supposed to end the world because of prophecy, he's not even that bad. People lived beside and under dragons, they had human dragon priests ffs. Let me know when Alduin starts raping children to death.

>>715767695
Phone posting. My shame is immeasurable and I deserve your ridicule.
*Instead OF, not if*
*He is evil because he's evil*

>mercantile
Actually they got rid of speechcraft and changed Mercantile to Speech.
>Athletics
Makes you faster and regen stamina faster outside of combat, meh
>Acrobatics
could be cool in terms of fine tuning a character at least
>Mysticism
Seems to have been divested into the other magic trees rather than outright gotten rid of
>Medium armor, axe, short blade, spear, unarmored
none of those were in oblivion either.
>Hand to hand
Ehhhh most of the stuff that were late bonuses for H2H are just base level in skyrim

On the other hand skyrim added
>Pickpocketing
As it's own tree instead of being under sneak
>Enchanting
An entire set of crafting
>Blacksmithing
Oblivion had armorer but literally all they did was click a button and hope they fixed their equipment compared to being a 3rd crafting tree.

>>715766520 (OP)
>h2h
>athletics
>acrobatics
>unarmored
i guess todd got tired of zero carry weight runs

>>715766520 (OP)
>hand to hand
merged with heavy armor + only 0,000001% tes player run a hand to hand build
>athletics
replaced with a more logical and rational sprint
>acrobatics
you dont need to climb houses or castle
>mercantile
merged with speech
>mysticism
scattered with other magic school but still there
>medium armor
useless and lazy design for players
>axe, short blade, spear
inefficient skill set, one handed + two handed are better in that regards to capture the entire weapon skill; if you can swing an axe you surely can swing a sword, or short sword logically
>unarmored
merged with alteration

it's funny how hand to hand is still encouraged. there's brawls, khajit do more unarmed damage, and there's an enchantment. you find the pugilist gloves on your way to the thieves guild too
I tried using an unarmed mod once but it was nigger rigged to an unfun degree of jank. I just want to punch some draughr to death

Skyrim isn't fun unless you play it in vr with 1000 mods

>>715768206
I got those nudes mods too. My cat kept rubbing against me when I was trying to goon so I'd toss my headset in a blind panic and broke it. Now I have to goon like an animal, just starting at a screen.

>>715766520 (OP)
Honestly what bothers me the most is that they brought back pickpocket, they could have easily folded that into stealth or security

>>715768196
I mean if you go heavy armor you've got
>Unarmed attacks with Heavy Armor gauntlets do their armor rating in extra damage.

>>715767412
westoids believe that rpgs must have shit gameplay to be rpgs so it makes sense to remove shit elements when making a good game

>>715766520 (OP)
one handed and two handed are superior.
medium armor was removed in oblivion(good).
i say we remove all numbers.

>>715766520 (OP)
Oblivion removed a bunch of those, actually.
And >>715766708

The only real big losses are Acrobatics and Athletics. When playing Skyrim I definitely miss Oblivion's moon jumps and spells that you you run like The Flash.

>>715766520 (OP)
Acrobatics really broke the game and was better off not being there. By the end of the game you could just skip every Oblivion Gate by jumping between the towers or hopping across lava.

>>715768548
the RPGs with good gameplay are more niche because they are turn based or RTwP

>>715766520 (OP)
>hand to hand
Shouldn't have been removed
>acrobatics
useless
>athletics
even more useless
>mysticism
Could just be absorbed by other schools
>everything else
already removed in Oblivion

im kinda glad they got rid of acrobatics, if you put it in i feel the compulsive need to jump the entire time to max it out and im sure my fellow autists feel the same

>>715769723
I was jumping all the time in skyrim anyway, can't stop bunny hoping.

>>715769870
Thats the best way to travel. Im not going to walk some long winding road around an entire fucking mountain like a retard, you can just bunny hop over that shit. The goat horn helm was more appropriate than we all thought.

Too many mechanics and the game starts to feel like QWOP where you’re managing too many elements at once to progress fluidly.

Pokémon did a high number of mechanics very well because they’re appropriately abstracted away unless you want to deep dive them. Morrowind feels exhausting because you run into a new mechanic every time you want to do something and just getting to the shop requires you to learn five new mechanics that never really pay off and you just wanted to repair your armor and now it’s three hours later and you wish you could actually play the game.

>>715767616
Fuck off then

>>715767158
If only you could make some fist weapons...

>>715766520 (OP)
>Useless meme skill (Should've been absorbed into one-handed)
>Skyrim removing speed and jump boosts is a crime
>Speech
>No one used Dispel, the other spells/effects are still there
>Irrelevant
>More fleshed out in a couple of perks than ever
>More fleshed out in a couple of perks than ever
>Yeah that sucks
>Useless buggy slop skill, just use Light Armor or Alteration

>>715766520 (OP)
Oblivion removed half of those things

>>715770423
>Morrowind feels exhausting because you run into a new mechanic every time you want to do something and just getting to the shop requires you to learn five new mechanics that never really pay off and you just wanted to repair your armor and now it’s three hours later and you wish you could actually play the game.
Man, thats a perfect description. Every time I try get back into it I stop, thats exactly how I feel.

>>715770423
>>715771118
I really can't see this with Morrowind, even at the time it was considered a VERY simple game. The most "complex" part of it is the spellmaking system. That's it. You wanna hit things with a sword? Go long blade. You wanna run fast? Go athletics. Daggerfall has a lot of mechanics, Morrowind is basically as braindead as Oblivion but with dice rolls.

>>715771351
>but with dice rolls.
Sitting there and swinging at shit for hours until you level up your blade skills enough to actually be able to hit things is such a chore. I appreciate what they were trying to do, I really liked Morrowind when I was a kid and that was the best thing out there, but its brutal to get back into.

>>715771554
Then play a mage with 100 chance spells and weapon rings

>>715766708
>Language
Irrelevant on Vvardenfell, a hermetic, mono-lingual island.
>Backstabbing
Point there.
>Climbing
Paradigm shift to levitation. Matter of preference.
>Critical Strike
Folded into the general damage calc formula.
>Dodging
Folded into the AR formula akin to D&D, you can't complain about that
>Etiquette
Relegated to the player himself, facilitating natural interaction, this is a good thing for verisimilitude.
>Streetwise
Point there.
>Medical
Irrelevant.
>Pickpocket
Folded into Sneak.
>Running
>Swimming
Folded into Athletics, which is logical.
>Thaumaturgy
Point there, though it's at least explained in-lore.

>>715766520 (OP)
The weird thing is that there's an unarmed enchantment. Mercantile can go though. It's nothing but a dump stat

>>715771554
Chance to hit stops mattering at skill level 50 if you go into fights with full fatigue. It was never an issue. Morrowind is a very simple game.

>>715766520 (OP)
Oblivion removed Medium Armor, Axe, Short Blade, Spear, and Unarmored skills.
But nice try.

>introduced essential NPCs
>removed clothes layering
>removed both pauldron slots, belts, skirts, combined two glove slots into one, (skyrim removed greaves and one ring slot but brought back layering with circlets, which can be worn under a hood)
>made clothing randomly take up multiple slots with no rhyme or reason behind it, so it was likely that some of your slots were going to waste (skyrim brought back morrowind's logical system of 1 piece = 1 slot, with the exception of hooded robes)
>cut armor skills in half from 4 to 2 (same as skyrim)
>severely cut melee weapon skills from 5 to 2 (same as skyrim)
>removed throwing weapons, spears, crossbows (which skyrim brought back), staff melee attacks
>removed levitation and vertical world design
>removed teleportation spells
>removed jump spells
>removed public transport where you have to learn the travel routes
>introduced free and instant fast travel from the pause menu
>replaced written directions with braindead carrot-on-a-stick quest markers
>introduced retard-proofed dungeons that loop back to the entrance
>removed the enchanting skill (which skyrim brought back)
>turned persuasion into a minigame
>turned lockpicking into a minigame
>removed dodging and accuracy
>generified beast races
But "le Skyrim bad", am I right Redditbros?