>da gubbermint needs to force games to be good
Does this not sound retarded to anyone else? Is begging the government to intervene with random inconsequential stuff just a normalized European thing that I'm not familiar with?

STOP
KILLING
GAMES

It's bizarre that you people are still trying to dismantle SKG when it's basically already won

Like give up retard, it's over

Believe it or not, but the government can do things besides send money to Israel.

>>715767065 (OP)
You WILL get more consumer rights mutt and there is NOTHING you can do about it

>>715767123
Right, they can also send money to control freaks who want to force culture to bend to their whims.

Well yeah, it does sound retarded when you completely lie about what they're doing.

>>715767106
they do it for free

preventing them from being petty enough to refuse publishing the server files is objectively good
if that's communism then so is your dad when he stopped you from throwing out the meat you didn't eat instead of giving it to the dog

>>715767065 (OP)
that stupid thing you made up does in fact sound stupid, yes. it's a good thing nobody is saying that except you though.

Without God, people attach themselves to whatever ''social cause'' they can to virtue signal and give meaning to their pathetic little lives. I'm sure government will make videogames great again, it worked out for...uhh...it will work this time.

>>715767146
My number of rights haven't changed. It's already common knowledge that the official servers for an online game aren't going to be online forever. This isn't giving consumers more rights, it's just an irrelevant bit of tardproofing that'll probably cause just as much trouble as it prevents.

The real problem is that gaming companies can send cease and desists to people for running "illegal" servers for their games. We should be dismantling that legislation instead.

>>715767371
they won't make them great, they'll just stop them from completely destroying whatever they made after they stopped selling it
that's it
that's what stop killing games is about

>>715767447
And how does it accomplish that?

>>715767065 (OP)
>da joos need to bite cocks cuz germans bad
Does this not sound retarded to anyone else?

>>715767106
nobody's trying to dismantle your internet petition, just pointing out how dysgenic and retarded ross is

>>715767159
They also you know, maintain the roads and water services and ensure human rights, but sure, the main purpose of the govament is to control culture to male you gay or something

>>715767383

There is no rational reason to be against legislation that prevents you from scamming people, unless you intend to scam people. And shutting down a game that you sold just because you want to sell another game IS a scam no matter how you dress it.

This will happen. Nothing can stop it anymore.

>>715767551
And shutting down a server that I own and maintain isn't a human right?

>>715767065 (OP)
Sup Maldavius

>>715767106
Dude has also been peddling his retarded shit in the steam/payment processor threads even though that's an entirely different issue
It's baffling behavior

>>715767447
>>715767474

*crickets*

>>715767447
Yeah, by telling how private companies should operate and offer their own products. Because daddy government has to protect dumb CONSOOMERS who are too retarded to stop themselves from buying ''anti-consumer'' slop and be mad when the obvious thing ends up happening. If you still think the slippery slope isn't real in 2025, I don't know what to tell you. What's next? Social activists campaigning for government to force diversity quotas for characters in videogames?

>t-that would never happen, only MY petty views should be enforced by law and...

KEK

>>715767635
Selling somebody a product and then remotely removing a persons capability to use said product that is their property isn't.

>>715767827
>sells you an apple
>the apple goes bad before you finish eating it

priorities

This whole thing kinda reminds me of the the mcdonalds coffee grandma, where the big corporation made a huge media effort to paint their opponent as stupid despite the fact that what theyre doing is objectively evil

>>715767827
Uh oh, someone didn't read the EULA...

>>715767065 (OP)
>Is begging the government to intervene with random inconsequential stuff just a normalized European thing that I'm not familiar with?
yes they're socialists.

>>715767684
by telling them to upload the fucking files after they're done instead of selfishly and pettily just abanboning it
file hosting is cheap as shit, release everything, host it for a bit and turn it into shareware
it costs $0.02 to host 1gb of data for a month

>>715767065 (OP)
>Is begging the government to intervene with random inconsequential stuff just a normalized European thing
In eastern europe and the slavic countries it is. Anyone historically Soviet Union puppet states live their lives by such principles. Also none of them were ever liberated, they're just a different flavor of current day Moscow.

>>715767065 (OP)
The absolute desperation that seeps through your posts is rather pleasing.

>>715767979
The correct way for game preservation is decomp-recomp projects, cracking DRM out of games, private servers, mods, emulation etc. If a game doesn't have an independent project like these, it probably doesn't deserve to be preserved anyway. Most games are trash. If you don't think a game is worth buying...just don't buy it. You're not entitled to live service games (or any product, really) to operate how YOU want them to.

>>715767065 (OP)
awww mutt mind can't comprehend not getting raped by companies

>>715767065 (OP)
Yes directly influencing government policy as a people instead of leaving it to be exclusively decided by unelected billionaires is indeed a normalised European thing that you (presumably an American) are not familiar with

>>715767371
Yeah, if only there was more religion, then those pesky plebs wouldn't demand to have rights.
The fuck are you talking about?

>>715767827
Well, you're right that they're selling a product, but the product is a piece of software that lets you connect to a server, and they're under no obligation to keep the server up indefinitely. There are no issues with this.

Or, at least, if ANYONE could set up a server for any game, WITHOUT FEAR OF GETTING A CEASE AND DESIST, there would be no issues. But sure, sure, try solving a problem caused by regulations by adding more regulations on top of it. That always works out great.

>>715767474
The same way all laws work. Through the threat of violence from the government. What is this strategy of pretending that you just landed on this planet 3 days ago?

>>715768193
You can't comprehend not being a government's bitch.

>european parliament, a place where people with proper educational background talk to each other, have to listen to this one balding youtuber retard (who are probably a highschool graduate) complaining to them that he and other basement dweller cannot consoom good video games like anthem and concord because gamedevs pulled EoS in front of their eyes

If nothing else the unhinged contrarianposting and genuine jewish seething this has generated has been highly entertaining. I will miss these threads regardless of the outcome.

>>715768317
>If you don't keep your game online forever I will KILL YOU!
That sounds barbaric. Glad I don't live in the EU.

>socialism will save videogames

It's very very important to American corporations (and by extension the government they own) that the average American cannot even conceive of things getting better in even the smallest of ways.

>>715768413
KEK

>OI MATE YOU GOT A LOICENSE FOR THAT OINLINE GAMIN SERVA?

>uhh discordbros, we just got raided by ch/v/ds, oh wait they are not ch/v/ds, they are.. *check long list of names* uhh jews, uhh corporation, uhh... trannies, uhh yeah call them that, call them that!

>>715767065 (OP)
It only affects shitty games and companies like ubislop so I'm all for it

>>715767065 (OP)
>Still posting these cope threads
KWAB

>>715767939
>sells you an apple
>rips the half-eaten apple out of your hands and stomps on it

>>715767065 (OP)
>no you can't just ask the government to serve your interests just.... just let corporations rape you okay?!

>>715767065 (OP)
>Let corpos rape you dude, stop asking for consumer protections, you don't want that. You think you do but you don't wanna play the games you paid for

>>715768574
>no you can't just make games however you want just... just let the government rape you okay?!

>>715768413
>If you don't keep your game online forever I will KILL YOU!
this but unironically

>>715768185
>You're not entitled
That's what is being changed right now. Just like people are enabled to 20-50% of your money in taxes they will be entitled to you not adding planned obsolescence to your games.
And you will comply with that, because there won't be a valid alternative.

>>715768354
See how you didn't say that he was wrong and instead just lashed out at him? You really can't.

>>715768620
You can't pull these Jewish tricks

>>715768620
Why do you want to make a game that people can't play in 20 years?

>>715767065 (OP)
>>da gubbermint needs to force games to be good
whats wrong with this?
if government can send people to die for gay sex in botswana why can't they force devs to make good games

muh corporashun
muh joos

>It passes exactly as Ross and everyone imagined
Cool. The one in a thousand live service games actually worth saving get saved.
>It kills live service games as a genre
Cool. Live service games are trash and deserve to die as a concept.
Why should I care? Either way I benefit.

>>715767106
ist just the current meme for chronic /v/ posters. Let them have their fun, they literally sit here all day making the same threads and posts over and over.

>>715768594
>Let the government rape you dude, stop asking for basic human rights, you don't want that. You think you do but you don't wanna be able to shut down your own servers.

>>715768705
>whataboutism
kek

>>715768739
I agree, I don't want to shut down my own servers you paid me to access. I have never in my life wanted that, and I want anybody that does want that to be punished.

>>715768739
Dedicated serves are a thing you stupid kike

>>715767106
won what? list everything that skg hav achieved so far

>>715768620
Is putting "YOU WILL NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THIS GAME IN 3 YEARS" so hard?

>>715768363
Yeah, poor EU. They just hate fining companies to stop them from being unreasonable cunts.

>>715768739
Fucking over your customers is not a human right

>>715767065 (OP)
I get that you want (you)s but is pretending to be anti consumer on /v/ really the best use of your time? There's so many images of Midna out there to masturbate to and you choose to do this instead. Despicable.

Take a look at the government regulations in other sectors and ask yourself if its really worth it to get on the slippery slope for the ''right'' to keep CONCORD-tier game servers online.

>the year is 2056
>people can't even remember a time when you could make a videogame without following the strict guideline of goverment regulations on ''entertainment software''
>japanese games are banned through the great US firewall for not adhering to the guidelines
>aren't you glad you have all these rights, citizen?

>>715768849
Nothing. They have a problem caused by regulation, they don't know how to solve it, and they're trying to solve it by just showing it to the government and vaguely asking for more regulations.

>>715768726
>live service games
It's about all games, retard. You live in the same reality as I do, therefore you know that even single player games are getting fucked by kill switchers. Fucking monkey.

>>715768881
>buy game that obviously won't have servers online forever
>the servers go offline
>AIIEEE I'M LITERALLY GETTING RAPED! GOVERNMENT SAVE ME!

>>715767065 (OP)
>the government needs to punish thief, and murderers.
Does this not sound retarded to anyone else?
We should just let the people decide their own punishments.

>>715769032
One of the possible solutions is including the end of service date on the tin which isn't that much of an ask.

>>715769061
>shutting down a privately owned server is theft
Who's stealing from who here?

>>715768970
Nope, all the games I play are safe though cracks, recomps and emulation. Have you tried not paying for slop and getting shocked you received slop?

>>715769082
>OI MATE YOU GOT A LOICENSE FOR THIS LIVE SOIVICE GOIME?

>>715768963
as expected from a 'movement' led by moron

>>715768783
>no arguments
yeah thought so dumb bitch
go make my videogame, this time with less gays and niggers

>>715769160
I did buy a license that doesn't have a set expiration date.

>>715769061
>We should just let the people decide their own punishments

kek that's exactly what should not happen. I mean have you no grasp on basic history? The french revolution? Communism? the sexual revolution from the 60's? I can summarize it for you: people are retarded. When people collectively force their way, bad things happen. Every single time. Fucking brainless sheep...

what I want to kill games, and also kill game developers responsible for those saas pieces of shit?

>dude, listen to what this youtuber had to say!

>>715769160
Ideally, this will also be something that game companies are forced to stop doing
I dont want to buy a license, I want to buy a fucking videogame

>>715769032
>obviously won't have servers online forever
Artificial limitation.
Planned obsolescence.

if corporations are overreaching what makes you think the government isn't also going to do the same

>>715769390
The goverment would never do that. The government has our best interests in mind, anon.

>anime girl pastas
>blatant bait
>attempts at derailing
>demoralizing and "why bother???"
>"you're commies!!!!"
>"STOP STOP STOP the EU is going to make things worse!!!!!!!"
>"hmmm you want devs to support games forever????" and other bullshit that has been asked and answered 1 million times already
>"this is not vidya related go to /pol/"
>dumping actual CP
>when that doesn't work, dumping nude selfies and gay porn
>"this entire thing is reddit"
>"there's no way this goes before EU parliament, signatures will dry up at 1 million"
>"these signatures are all botted"
>DDOSing
>"you just want to profit off of poor devs work"
>"EU parliament will dismiss this"
>"shouldn't we be focusing on more important things like [insert other political talking point here]"
>"you're all hypocrites!!!"
>"this is basically gamergate 2.0, they will never support this"
>"the EU will ignore it"
>"they will just draft some ineffectual law if anything"
>even MORE claims that something literally talking about the gaming industry isn't vidya related
>"t-this is eceleb shilling! buy an ad!"
>"they will just put a disclaimer on the box, that's it"
>"the extra burden is too much on poor devs"
>"there is no regulation needed, just don't buy it [because that has worked for the past 20 years, lol]"
>unironic ancap retards crying and stamping their feet
YOU ARE HERE:
>"what about the VISA/Mastercard scandal!!!"
>"hmm you actually are using a government apparatus as intended? is this not silly?"
Every single thread for the past 2+ weeks, they have been absolutely shitting themselves. How did one Moldman mindbreak so many people?

>>715769390
If they're both overreaching, then may their arms get tangled.

>>715767103
Counterpoint: Keep killing games

>>715769390
>>715769434
True, corporations are more honest than government, just look at all the worker/consumer friendly stuff corporations implemented without any government legislation forcing them to.

>>715769661
I'm not forced to buy a product from any corporation, retard, much less a videotoy.

>>715767065 (OP)
>"HURF DURF I'm completely misrepresenting a thing!"
ERM CRINGE, WHY DOES THIS FALSE STATEMENT I MADE SOUND DUMB?

>>715769846
True, you aren't forced to buy anything, yet more proof government overreach is bad, like when they banned leaded paint and gasoline, you were never forced to buy them, or banning pesticides/additives that cause cancer, you were never forced to buy food products that used said pesticides/additives.

>>715767957
>Banning pedos
lawl

Well maybe if companies figured out the highly complex and expensive act of "forgoing trying to get people to play New Game by killing old game with no means of playing it offline" we wouldn't be here. Literally just patch the central server files into the fucking game so it can be played offline or release a means for private and/or dedicated servers to be ran by fans. You'd have to be addicted to fucking boot leather to think this is some unreasonable ask and the only reason "duh gubment" needs to get involved is because companies would rather hope and gamble on you buying their new games than let you play the old ones. In case you forgot, the EU had to twist Apple's fucking arm JUST so we could get USB-C on the damn iPhone but please tell me how the less standardized and less useful Lightning cable was Apple's right to keep using until the sun fucking explodes.

>>715769846
Go ahead and live in a cabin in siberia, then you won't have to deal with the evil gubment either.

So does this petition also enforce rules that could keep me playing my gachas after EoS?

>>715767159
Sometimes culture is bad and needs correcting. You can thank government for there being a universal USB type instead of you needing a different cable for every single device you own for example. Or is having companies fuck you in the ass and making you buy their proprietary connector SOUL and CULTURE?

What's the stupidest way the EU could implement this while still trying to stay true to the spirit of the initiative? I think it's they force companies to put an expiration warning on the box, as in the actual physical box, but forget digital downloads exist.

>>715769945
Correct. Especially in the internet age, information about harmful products is very accessible, it has never been easier to be an informed consumer. Maybe people that still willingly buy poison should be allowed to, I mean that's just natural selection at this point.

>>715767065 (OP)
If I don't make the government do useful stuff for me, then what the fuck is it for, just to steal out of my paycheck?

>>715770091
It'll be a cookie banner

>>715769975
That worked great for the russians, right? All those comfy gulags in siberia were all gubment-free.

>>715767065 (OP)
corpo shills are bending over backwards coming up with bullshit reasons why an EXE needs a call home to run.

>>715770120
True, very true, and if all the companies just use the cheapest, deadliest shit, like leaded paint and gasoline, then the government shouldn't stop them. Same with medicine prices.

>>715770252
>I have no idea how a free market operates, so I'll just go with the most retarded marxist view possible

Anon, please.

Libertarian ideology is really confusing, it's pro-citizen until a corporation wants to do something retarded.

>>715767065 (OP)
The government will force games to be good.
Mutt racemixers will seethe below.
All is well

gamers won
corpos lost

cope and sneed

>>715770308
>Free market.
No such thing, everything is regulated. Antitrust laws alone mean it's not a free market. Curtail your retardation please.

>>715770091
It's the EU. Almost everything they do produces (un)intended negative consequences that far outweigh the stated benefits.

>>715770308
The free market always failed at self-regulating, why would it start now?

>>715770320
Libertarianism is actually just "I want to be a leech and give nothing back".

>>715770320
Just because you can't keep yourself from buying ubisoft slop it doesn't mean its a national crisis in need of a cohersive, tyranical solution that will kickstart the slippery slope of more and more government regulations in videogames.

>>715770457
That's why amendments, clarifications and revisions exist.
Going for immobilism because changes might have unexpected consequences is retarded.

>>715770024
Bump

I bet half of these niggers would be against based Teddy.

>>715770421
How do we prevent corporate lobbies from weaponizing regulation against small business, essentially creating the very environment it was supposed to prevent?

>>715767106
>it's basically already won
lmao what nothings been passed or even discussed

>dude, it will totally work this time, just trust the centralized supranational mega-goverment

>>715770598
I guess that's why every government regulatory law has put us in super gulags.

>>715768185
>If you don't think a game is worth buying...just don't buy it.
Game companies are LITERALLY raping me by releasing products I don't like

>>715770664
So your argument is, government intervention is bad because the big corporations could exploit it? And you think the alternative of no government regulation is better?

Just want to clarify your point first, for my own sake.

>>715770670
But it will be discussed and that's already more than enough to make the biggest assholes in the industry reel like a mortally wounded beast.

>>715770813
That's not winning
Winning would be getting some law changed
There's no indication that this will result in any laws being passed

I'm not too familiar with EU law, but couldn't they have done this at any point if they felt like it? Or any other video game regulations for that matter. It just strikes me as odd that people are treating this petition like it's giving them some sort of access to the industry they didn't have before. They already regulated gacha.

>>715767065 (OP)
yeah because you worded it like a faggot
>the government should stop companies from taking away a product i paid for
is what you were looking for

>>715767065 (OP)
Ross is clearly autistic. He feels very passionately about something that A) not a lot of people care about and B) has 0 effect on all but those with his particular brand of autism. That's autism to a T

However, his autism is correct. From a legal standpoint he should win, even in the US if someone who was rich enough gave enough of a fuck to bankroll a solid case against the billion-dollar corps. Courts here (dogshit legal hell) operated on precedence, and what a "reasonable person" would do/think. And a "reasonable person" would believe that when they purchase a game, they aren't renting it for a few years. When you buy a toothbrush, is it reclaimed after a few months? When you buy a fleshlight, does the company come rip it off your dick when they no longer see the purchase as equitable? No, so why should a video game? Why would a reasonable person assume that? Other than "because that's the way it is, because we're all cucks who let it slide." Also EULAs have 0 credibility in court lmao so don't even bother with that argument.

However, think about the ramifications of if that legislation passed. You would NEVER want to release a game in those markets unless you were 10000% sure it would not fail. You release the rights to the public to carry on the game and that infringes on your copyright. Which weakens your argument for copyright infringement for all cases monetizing the product. You can't let one person copy your product and another one not, for no other reason than "we ran out of funding for that game". You effectively forfeit the rights to any game that fails at some point. EA is the only multiplayer developer that survives, and by selling dogshit. It would annihilate indies making multiplayer games.

Source: I share an adjacent brand of autism as the balding man

>>715770739
Well, kinda, yeah. You people can't even buy incandescent lamps in the US because regulations forbid it. All aspects of your lives are tirelessly regulated more and more each day, you're just numb to it. The founding fathers are shaking in their graves, modern america is nothing like it used to be.

>>715770883
A reasonable person doesn't assume a game would work forever

>>715770946
>A reasonable person doesn't assume a game would work forever
Disingenuous little cockroach.

>>715770946
Someone who isn't a faggot would realize this isn't what is being asked.

>>715770320
SKG actually falls in line with libertarian ideology, but a lot of modern libertarians got suckered in by cooperate cock. Their argument is that SKG is best solved by IP abolition, when IP abolition is unworkable as is. SKG is the greatest modern movement to damage IP law. Libertarians that don't support it are philistines.

>>715770946
Assuming you could maintain a PC into perpetuity why not?

>>715770986
Am I wrong? Does a reasonable person get upset when they can't play a game that's 20 years old that only worked on Windows 95 or a PS1?

>>715770946
A reasonable person however can easily assume that the company can't brick your purchase whenever they feel like, because no other goods on the planet exist like that.
>>715770883
There is no copyright infringement in releasing dedicated server tools.

>>715770946
This is literally how they've worked since inception

>>715771009
>this isn't what is being asked.
This entire thing is about games being deactivated after a few years

>>715770883
You think retarded commies can think two steps ahead on the actual consequences of regulation? They don't care, ebil company must be regulated, comrade.

>>715771030
You say that as if playing w95 or ps1 games is currently impossible. It's not.

>>715771030
If I still have my PS1 and my disk, then yes. I still expect them to work.

>>715771030
They emulate it? You can't do anything like that with the Crew to my knowledge, it's gone, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

>>715770946
>a reasonable person doesn't assume a game would work the way they've worked for most of the existence of vidya
nice take retard

>>715771048
>no other goods on the planet exist like that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence

>>715767957
This picture stil makes no sense.

>>715767103
AAAGGGHHHHHH

>>715771113
It's not possible without user-created mods and ports and emulators a lot of the time

>>715771092
There's quite a leap of logic between "don't kill my games at your convenience after a few years" and "your games should last forever".

>>715771012
I see, I'll admit I'm a layman in my understanding of their beliefs but if that's true then yeah that is confusing.

>>715771030
>your PS1 games don't work
what the fuck did you do to them? careless mother fucker. and you could just emulate Windows 95 to get around it with that.

>>715770946
Make a distinction between "forever" and "your lifetime". Literally nothing last forever, heat death of the universe will claim every molecule in existence right now.

My grandparents bought SMB for the NES. I can play it right now, both the machine and the cartridge work fine. I can boot up my launch day MGS1 copy on my PS1 right now no problem. Why is the basic agreement for those purchases different for ones made today? Without corpo brainrot.

>>715771125
Making components weak and shitty so that they eventually fail before their time is different than sending out the car destruction signal that immediately blows up the engine. Still, planned obsolescence should be illegal and we should kill the entire C-suite of any company that engages in it.

>>715771172
Either way the game stops working after a period of time

>>715771208
No it's not functionally any different, the producer plans for something to stop working after a period of time and it does

pirate army...we must strike back at ross
he has done so much damage to us

>>715771229
Shouldn't be up to the developer to decide what that period of time should be. If things naturally fade out, so be it but forcing it on the customers is scummy at best.

It's going to be funny Ross going back to doing his usual stuff afterwards like nothing happened, except we will no longer get the "Relies on a central server" award.

>>715771247
Except it doesn't, because the producer isn't literally stopping you from using it. The producer has no actual control for when it breaks.

>>715771298
>forcing it on the customers
If you don't like it don't buy it

>>715771334
Yes they do you idiot, they can literally plan how long something will last when they're designing it

>>715771298
Have you tried not buying live service games with no private server tools, if that is so important to you?

stupid question (but this thread is dogshit anyway): can't companies just release an update that fucks everything up before releasing an offline mode of the game? the reason modern WoW sucks is not because blizzard killed the servers but because they ruined the game with stupid changes. can't other spiteful companies just do that?

>>715767957
i just want incest porn, don't be a bigot chud

>>715771338
>>715771392
I don't but seeing it not work despite "voting with my wallet", I also decided to sign the initiative against it.

>>715771406
Just wait for the sequel to Stop Killing Games, Stop Patching Games

>>715771367
They can plan a rough estimate under certain conditions. They cannot, however, point to your phone and say "Break". That is the distinction.

>>715771406
Yes, they can. There are dozens of ways they can effectively bypass any law they can come up with. But all those dumb retards can't think that far ahead, they truly believe gobiment will make games great or something.

>>715771406
Malicious compliance is the best way to get assfucked later on by lawsuits.

>>715771435
Do you know how voting works? Voting means the majority decides, not you decide. You can't say voting "doesn't work" just because the thing you voted for lost

>GUYS FREE GAMES
>time passes
>GUYS FREE HRT FOR CHILDREN
think about it

>>715771406
Malicious compliance to that degree would get you fucked wide open in the courts.

>>715771464
There's no practical difference, many components can literally designed to fail after X hours of use (and they are)

>>715771435
Voting with your wallet? I'm not talking about boycotting anything here. All I'm saying is that if a product doesn't offer what you're looking for, you can refrain from buying it. It's a simple concept.

>>715771452
Unironically, getting to choose which version of the game you play would be kino. Sure, there will be whining about incompatible versions, but it'd be good.

>>715771513
Who the fuck is going to take a video game developer to court for making a patch they don't like

>>715771318
He'll finally make the movie.

>>715767065 (OP)
all you had to do was press mana gem man, what happened?

>>715771520
There is however a massive legislative difference. Planning around failure is still (legally) allowed, forcing failure is what is on offer though. If you want to tackle planned obsolescence through the EU, go right ahead, but it's a slightly different concept.

it's funny that this was basically a social experiment to see if it was possible to enact some positive change in a small, barely consequential niche through citizen action by having very clearly stated and modest goals, and it still attracts the same types schizophrenic contrarians spreading doubt and misinformation dragging it through the mud for free.

>>715771580
A patch they don’t like, or a patch that maliciously destroys the game? Don’t try and shift the goalpost.

>>715771616
Both of them are allowed

>>715771649
Where do you draw the line?

>>715771486
Good luck trying to prove on court that the final meta brough by the latest balance patch constitutes ''malicious compliance'' kek

I mean, all those Luke players sure enjoyed season 5 of SFV, even though it took a shit on what was previously a pretty well balanced tierlist. Now every shoto and footsies based character was made redundant, but so what?

>>715771492
And now a majority in an actual legal frame gets to decide rather than a vague "majority of customers" who not only don't know any better but also buys anything that is marketed enough.

>>715771573
I already refrain and now I also get to nudge industry to take a long hard look at itself and the anti-consumer practices it has normalized over the years. It's a win win for me.

>>715771580
Anyone who wants money? Who the fuck would have taken them to court over The Crew?
>>715771653
Yes, and why don't we fix both of them? This initiative is fixing one outlet of corporate abuse, you can fix the other.

>>715771697
>And now a majority in an actual legal frame gets to decide
Where? Nobody is voting for this

>>715771675
The very reason that courts exist is so that edge cases can be evaluated by humans. It doesn’t matter where *I* draw the line.

Americans genuinely have no right to comment on anything government related.

>>715771709
Nobody is going to make money buy suing a video game company for releasing a shitty patch

>>715771492
You know it doesn't work, yet keep peddling it as some "gotcha" solution. That's the same as saying in the 70's, "just don't buy a house with asbestos bro, vote with your wallet" when it was essentially in every building before it was regulated. I know you're too yoing to understand how these things work, or you just love larping without understanding the long term consequences.

>>715771731
It's something that's impossible to legislate
You could make a patch that just makes the balance off so it's not fun anymore. You could never prove malicious intent for this in court

>>715771746
They will if it is a clear case of malicious compliance to avoid actually complying with EU law.

>>715771646
There is absolutely nothing new about what's happening, and the consequences are painfully obvious for anyone with even the slightest knowledge of history. You're just another ignorant NPC going through the motions and repeating history...

>>715771030
That wasn't my (frogOP) point. My point was that video game traditionally are expected to stay around for a long time. Those faggot nerds of us know otherwise, but your average Wii-sports enthusiast is expecting a game purchase to last well beyond their desire to play the game. A reasonable person probably doesn't get upset when their NES or cartridge breaks. But they don't. And the games we're talking about are 3 years old not 20. The standard has been established, and the "we can't keep upholding this service" thing is a new concept.

>>715771771
The courts literally exist BECAUSE you can’t legislate every scenario. Instead, you establish a generally good faith framework and have the court work with edge cases.

>>715771752
Single player live service games are not every game. They're a very small minority of games. If you don't like them, you can buy another game, or buy no games at all. Terrible fucking analogy

>>715771646
It' funny that the same people who pretend to care about the "long term consequences of this commie initiative" are the same folk who unironically advocate for piracy.

>>715771771
You could absolutely prove malicious intent. If you release a fucking heinous patch the day of shutdown, of course it's fucking suspect.

>>715771825
>forcing ubisoft to put an expiration date on their game is literally the holocaust
kek

>>715771839
You can't prove malicious intent for this in court

>>715771825
Enlighten us about those "consequences" that you keep bringing up in the vaguest possible manner.

>>715771854
You could just say it was a patch to make the game better for its EoL release

>>715771406
Malicious compliance is more difficult to pull off in vidja where it's more binary than the megacorps that are getting reamed by the EU for failing to meet court rulings.

Remember when BMW was going to charge monthly for heated seats, everyone hated it, and they gave up and just enabled heated seats permanently?

>>715767103
AAAHH NOOO I WORKED AT BLIZZARD!!!

>>715771895
You don’t need to. You need to make the court agree with you.

>>715771725
What do you think the european parliament is exactly?

>>715771752
He's not wrong, though. And you offered no counter-argument aside from ''y-you're too young''.

>>715771965
You need things like proof and evidence to do that

>>715771847
>just buy no games at all buddy
Yeah, there we go. It's clear you're arguing in bad faith while sucking corpo cock. Give me five main line titles that are single player and don't in some way connect toma mainframe.

>>715770883
>A) not a lot of people care about
this nigga say this on /v/, the biggest board on all 4chan.

>>715771921
And you'd be clearly lying. You couldn't come up with a single argument for any of the balance changes.

>>715771989
Yes? Do you not understand what I said? You need to make the court agree with you. How do you do that?

>>715772014
Why did you ignore the first part of my post where I said that it's a small minority of games and there's plenty of other games you could buy?

>>715772020
>clearly
No it's not clear at all
Putting myself in a game developers shoes I could very easily create a patch for a game with some balance changes that make the game suck but justify it as making the game better
Games do this all the time when they ARE acting in good faith trying to make it better

>>715767065 (OP)
Why is it that the government stepping in to force companies to allow people to keep their own properly is bad, but the government stepping in to allow companies to keep their IPs good?

>>715771978
He did though. I suggest practicing your applied reading comprehension.

>>715768287
>if ANYONE could set up a server for any game, WITHOUT FEAR OF GETTING A CEASE AND DESIST, there would be no issues
you seriously should've stopped here. if you weren't a massive bumbling retard, you would've stopped here, snapped your fingers, went "OOHHHHHHH", and you would just close the reply window. you're so close to figuring it out

>>715772095
patches can be rolled back

>>715772045
And I asked you to list five, which you ignored. I'm still waiting

>>715772095
Yes, and doing it out of the blue, on day of end of service, with a patch that any given player hated, is clearly malicious compliance. You could trot out mathematics and theory all day to point to the obviously malicious nature of the patch. And what will the company do? How will they argue other than repeating "We thought it was a good idea" over and over? Hell, even with that malicious compliance patch, people'll just mod the game back.

>>715771909
I've said it already, it opens the doors to more and more goverment regulations in videogames, there is no end once people see that campaigning for whatever intervention they want can bear fruits of goverment cohercion. Why do you think the vidya industry will be different from literally every other regulated sector?

Actual dev retard here, let me tell you why this entire thing is even more retarded.

It’s too tangled up in copyright laws, which is another retarded field all on its own.
Also, the liability lies with who to make the game “open to public” once servers are shut down? It has no meaning in a software sense. The entire thing is no different from “Stop Killing Websites”.

Who would the game company/developer hand it over to? Where would they host something? What about the royalty based assets present in the game that are still active under copyright? What about the server architecture?

These guys are applying their logic of downloading SNES roms to online games in 2025, where the cost of upkeep just doesn’t make sense.

>>715772173
>is clearly malicious compliance
Nope
You can just say you were putting out a final patch to make it a better game before it goes out of service
There's no "mathematics and theory" you can bring out to prove a game design decision is malicious, lol

>the face of the amerimutt when euro-chads say that consumers have rights and mega-corps running the US government actually can't just fuck you in the ass and brick your product whenever they feel like it

>>715772016
Been here for 10,0000000 years. We're still the minority of the market.

>>715768895

>the government shouldn't regulate hospitals to have sterile surgical conditions
>it should be your fault if you get an infection during your yearly circumcision, you should have done your homework and investigated their practices

>>715772194
Tldr this shit would never get offf the ground in application. A few studios would do it out of goodwill, the rest would dump their entire shit on GitHub as is and let it rot, while leaving out all their server keys and credentials because it would fuck their other project security.

>>715767065 (OP)
Businesses lobby for the government to do shit that benefits them all the time, and no one bats an eye. But the moment some joe schmoe tries to get the government to do something good for him suddenly he's trying to "kill the free market"

>>715772315
whataboutism

>>715772194
Shhh, let the commies dream a bit longer.

>>715772338
-is not actually a fallacy, believe it or not

>>715772175
>opens the door
The door has been ajar for decades now. The EU doesn't need a citizen initiative to start pushing retarded laws, but they did nothing when governments advocated for removal of violent video games. Like I said, your claims of consequences are as vague as your mind it seems.

>>715772175
The doors are wide fucking open and I would rather have government and corporations fighting over me.
>but they'll ban porn
So will Mastercard
>but they'll mandate wokeness
We're so far past that.
>but they'll make games cost more
GTA6 will likely cost you 100 dollars

>>715772382
Yes it is
Just because businesses try to restrict the free market doesn't mean it's ok for you to do it too