What are people's hangups with this game? it's easily the best Fallout game in the whole series, even the first one.

Mainly it's new vegas trannies. Also brainlets hate the settlement system even though it flushed out the entire game. Running into a place and looting junk isn't a waste of time, it's resources.

>>715776372
I hate New Vegas so much. People actually praise the writing in that game when it revolves around a hydro dam which could fail in many ways over time. If anyone took the dam, the other factions could just pour garbage into the river and break it.

>>715775714 (OP)
Nvtroons was mad there wasn’t quest line about liberating the trans Latinx robots or something. They letted their politics influence game for them

>>715776372
Also to add on the people hated the institute for some reason because they think they're retarded.

NEWSFLASH- "SMAHRT" PEOPLE ARE RETARDED AND EVIL. Pretty topical with the Epstein stuff- that guy gave researchers there millions to research comically evil weird shit. Raytheon was started there.

Come to think of it, I can't think of one inventor from MIT that's actually helped the world. Its basically a funnel to the wacky evil DARPA shit we will never know about.

Of fucking course they'd try replacing humanity with robot slaves in an apocalypse.

>>715775714 (OP)
>>715776372
>>715776541
falseflaggin samefaggot

>Bethestards the thread

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>>715776659
Uh oh the obshitian discord grooming latinxers founded the thread, hide your dogs and kids before they rape them

>>715775714 (OP)
The dialogue system is pointless, locations only matter when you have a quest or radiant quest to do, there are no quests you stumble upon by exploring a new place, there is basically one town in the whole game, everything else is just empty space for settlement building or faction hq, leveled loot sucks ass, the perks are locked behind arbitrary levels which matters a lot because since there are no skills anymore only perks matter so being barred from being able to open master locks until like level thirty punishes exploration and real rewards, etc.

Disliked the gunplay, radiant quests feel meaningless, I'm not a girl so I don't like the Sims element, companions being a dating sim wasn't handled well, factions are not compelling, unpleasant graphics, worst main plotline, speech wheel. I put about 25 hours in before going back to the old ones.

>>715775714 (OP)
It wasn’t the first one they played. That’s all there is to it.

>>715775714 (OP)
Playing it isn't fun. It's very much the same as Skyrim where the gameplay is enough to keep you from being bored but at the same time it isn't enjoyable either, you're just stuck in limbo between boredom and amusement. There's just something about the game that is off.

>>715775714 (OP)
>gunplay
>power armor
>far harbor
that's it. those are the only good things about 4

settlement building too I guess if you're into that

it's hardly an rpg

>>715775714 (OP)
Go to bed and learn how to become a better DM Todd

>>715775714 (OP)
>weak story
>no “skip prologue” option
>limiting crafting/construction system
>survival mode is locked on the highest difficulty for no valid reason
>only one companion at a time
Mods don’t fix these issues, it only hides them

>this corporate normalfag slop is the best of them all!!!
Fuck off normie scum

>>715776372
it certainly did flush something

>>715775714 (OP)
I think it's a good action adventure game and the settlement building I loved tbqh but I wanted a classic Bethesda RPG. And now one of the best classic RPG series is dead, like many others, which is a bummer.

>>715778420
>classic bethesda rpg
They never made any RPG's in their entire existence. Only shallow open world looter slop.

Old fallout fans (all three of them) got a shitty fallout and okay looter shooter.
Fallout 3 brodudes got an okay fallout and okay looter shooter.
Regular gamers got an okay looter shooter.
Only NV xisters are mad about 4, but they are always mad.

>>715778518
>muh nv
No idea why bethesda normalfags complain about NV when it's just modded Fallout 3, the game they claim to love.

>>715778604
New Vegas is a great game, but NVfags are the worst.

>>715775714 (OP)
>What are people's hangups with this game?
Can I mod it yet.

>>715776976
>locations only matter when you have a quest or radiant quest to do
gonna have to stop right there, have you never played a video game before in your life?

>>715775714 (OP)
Imagine making an RPG game, with bare bones RPG elements, and then turning it into a FPS game whos gameplay is 10 times worse than most shooters that came out around that time.
I could excuse to somewhat shit gameplay in NV because the RPG elements are decent enough, but FO4 has absolutely nothing going for it.

>>715776541
New Vegas, unironically, has really bad writing but because they constantly do lore dumps at least the brainlets get some explanation. Bethesda loves to be vague about Stuff and let people come to their own conclusions. Obviously, trannies aren't known for their independent thoughts, otherwise they wouldn't have cut their dicks off.

>>715780290
But enough about New Vegas. This thread is supposed to be about fo4.

NV is just as dumbed down as fo4. All you need to be a god in combat is a single skill. No heavy/light armour, no acrobatic, no athletics and no stamina management. How is this brain-dead game considered a real RPG?

>>715775714 (OP)
Technical incompetence. Even after the "next gen update" the game doesn't have proper support for anything but 16:9 aspect ratio. You still need to cap the framerate otherwise physics just breaks. There are settings that you can activate in the game that will just straight up break the game's performance.

Incomprehensible design philosophy. Conceived by morons.

Map is overwhelmingly open, to point of being aimless. Too much freedom with too little direction. A new POI every 50 steps. Exciting at first... but quickly turns into typical open-world issue: constant zigzagging and backtracking just to make sure you didn't miss anything. You're not exploring, you're cleaning up. It's exhausting, shallow, lacks feeling of meaningful exploration.

90% of the map is entirely optional. Self-directed freedom sounds good in theory... but in practice: no sense of purpose. Relies on player curiosity, but rarely rewarded with meaningful discoveries, just more enemies to shoot. Most optional locations are just shallow combat encounters. The core gameplay loop is invade > kill > loot, repeat. You loot weapons and ammo only to use them in the next identical encounter.

Devs knew most of the map had no real goal or purpose. Solution? Radiant quest system: randomly generated fetch quests designed to artificially send you to these otherwise pointless locations. The idea is that this creates an "infinite," unique experience... but it's insultingly meaningless.

First, as a player, you immediately recognize these quests aren't handcrafted, just hollow filler. Go to random spot, kill everyone, grab random item, then hike across te map to hand it in. It's no different from just stumbling into a location and killing everyone for no reason... except now there's a meaningless objective slapped on top.

Second, radiant actively clashes with map design and player behavior. Map is so open and directionless that you'll inevitably explore and clear locations *before* a radiant sends you there. But since mcguffin won't spawn unless quest is active, exploration is retroactively pointless. Punishes curiosity and rewards waiting to be told where to go, instead of exploring on your own.

A retarded, duct-taped attempt to add structure to a meaningless world. A band-aid over a gaping design wound.

>>715775714 (OP)
Hate Bethesda

>>715775714 (OP)
The main storyline is pants on head retarded but all the side contents breddy good. Nukaworld DLC's storys total dogshit, nearly as bad as the main DLC. other than the main story and Nuka, I enjoyed the game immensely

>>715778604
It's Fallout 3, but better, and bethdrones HATE that.

>>715776541
Your jewtuber faggot lied to you. Pouring garbage in the river would do fuck all.

as someone who screws around with mods in it
the actual game is ass.
if it didnt have modding it would be as dead as starfield/oblivionremake

>>715776541
are you also the kind of guy who spergs out that dragon wings are too small for flight and that everyone should be able to see clark kent is superman

>>715776372
>Bethesda pahjeet thread
>NV gets brought up for no reason
many such cases

>10 gay male companions
>2 straight female companions and one is a complete drug addled piece of shit whore

>>715778092
>power armor
FO4 power armor isn't remotely canonical. It's supposed to be man portable (if fucking heavy), and each suit (45, 51, Enclave APA, etc) has it's own unique construction for how it operates.

>>715775714 (OP)
It would have been a good game if they didn't add a retarded baby plot

>>715783574
it would break the dam

>>715775714 (OP)
>why do people hate the game that turned a serious RPG series into a mediocre fast food shooter?

>>715778267
Well the alternate start mid certainly does fix one of them. I have never done the prologue or ever entered the starting vault. As the main plot is universally panned as shit so it's not worth wasting time on

With the horizon overhaul it at least has skills again with limited character build options and its pretty okay as a scavenger-survivalist shooter

>>715775714 (OP)
>>715776372
>>715776541
Genuinely the most embarrassing samefagging I've ever seen on this webzone

>>715787486
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>>>715776541 (You)
I see

>>715775714 (OP)
>limited dialogue options, often the "yes / yes / sarcastic yes / maybe later" shit because your character's fully voice acted
>stuck playing as Nate or Nora looking for their son, you can't break free of this
>not allowed to be bad at any skill or stat, even if your SPECIAL stats are all 1, you still can do whatever
>removed skills in general
>didn't keep traits from NV
>all the factions suck ass and/or feel unfinished
>power armor retcons
>clunky as fuck settlement mechanics
>Preston making you the boss of the Minutemen then immediately making you constantly do all the legwork
>"Father" as a whole is just stupid
>the Railroad's obsession with Synths is flimsy as hell and it's dumb they tried to make Synths be a parallel to black people
>Bethesda kept adding graphical effects to FO4 and Skyrim that break the games and they never fix the issue and they break mods
>most settlements are dumb as shit and even get wiped regardless of defenses
>junk/scrap mechanics are clunky as shit
>crafting equipment is clunky as shit, and half the content's locked behind the Railroad because Bethesda REALLY wants you to be nice to them
>no actual karma/rep system other than a couple flags
>can't be evil unless you get the Nuka-world DLC and do evil through those mechanics
>constantly tries forcing companions on you more than 3/NV ever did
>had to hamfist the FEV subplot in just to justify FEV dogs and the super mutants in the game, and there's tons of both because ????
>sucks your dick by handing you an easily-repairable suit of power armor in the first 20 minutes of the game, along with a minigun and too much ammo
>Nora doesn't need power armor training for some reason
>random bandits don't need power armor training either
>ghouls animating like they're being fast-forwarded

The funny part is I could keep going. Still dumped hundreds of hours into lightly-modded playthroughs with added RPG elements though. Fuck playing it completely vanilla.

>>715775714 (OP)
>shit RPG
>shit Fallout game
>shitty sex mods, way worse than Skyrim's even though Skyrim is older.

>>715775714 (OP)
It’s the most fun game in the franchise, but the writing is so bad that it makes me want to rip my own eyeballs out. It’s not just bland or uninteresting, it’s so bad that it actually makes me angry, and there y detracts from the game.
Whenever I play this game, I usually have to go out of my way to avoid doing any quests and just roam around the map killing enemies and looting junk instead.

>>715775714 (OP)

OP, it's a good game but lacks the sort of heavy, oppressive, ominous atmosphere 3 and NV had where I felt constant tension everywhere I went while in 4 when I encounter things/new environments I'm indifferent to them unless they fuck me around and I have to fight my way out of those situations!!!FACT!!!

>>715775714 (OP)
Literally nothing about it is good. No one part of it is actually good and fun to engage with.
>But le shooting—
Do you know how many shooting games I've played? Imma need something better than "just barely okay" before I start playing this "for the shooting"

>>715775714 (OP)
Quests are enter house and kill everything
Side content is enter house and kill everything

All the content is the same, where there are only certain flavors of buildings based on the enemy type that spawns there. If you've seen al the flavors(10% in) there's nothing really worth experiencing.