So what is the actual lore of this game?
Is there even anything there worthwhile to care about, or is it just something to make the game happen.

>>715792195 (OP)
You'll get the lore after you start playing the game bronybro.

grrm is a shit writer, you tell me

>>715792381
got burned out in the snow area

can i have uuuuuhhhhh
stagnant world and uuuuuuuuhhhh
and and ancient kings and uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
and undead people and uhhhhhhhhhh
conflict and uuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh
and, and....uhhhhhh....
and cycles and repetition, time is a circle and uhhhhhhhhhhh
ancient warriors and uuuuuuuuuuuh....

there, thats every soulslop game lore

The lore is that they hired a big named author to give a previously niche series big name appeal. They continued the same kind of vague hint, barely conceived ideas style of story telling so the big named author didn't really had to do anything. Which was great because the author's talent had dried up and he was mostly there to hide out from the series he couldn't finish.

>>715792478
There's no repeating cycles in ER though

>>715792195 (OP)
What is worthwhile to care about?

>>715792478
Almost all of this applies to basically every fantasy RPG.

She explains it all.

>>715792195 (OP)
>actual lore of this game?
Pure retconned bullshit and butchered by the translation.
Moronics will never realize that Miyazaki makes shit up as he goes along and is totally open to changing his mind halfway through development to accommodate a change in the game.

>>715792879
My wife

>>715792839
name 2147483647

>>715792926
Yeah, that's how writing works in all fiction dumbass

Why do trannies and faggots care so much about story? Why are autistic people incapable of engaging with video games without resorting to mental gymnastics? Story this, lore that, item description here, guide entry there...
PSX introducing the dudebro audience to video games was the biggest mistake since women were allowed to vote. Nobody cared about story and lore back when we only had arcades and Nintendo.

>>715792786
Does the lore ammount to anything coherent or is it just a random collection of this is cool lets put it in. Nothing wrong with either I just didn't get the impression the lore it was anyting other than window dressing

>>715792926
>Miyazaki makes shit up as he goes along
any evidence for this claim?

>>715792195 (OP)
if it's your first souls game i'm sure it's amazing, but for everyone else it's just the same old
I don't think Miyazaki has really had anything new to say after Dark Souls + Bloodborne which added cosmic horror elements = Elden Ring as a refinement of that

>>715793287
>mouthbreathing, barely literate downs syndrome retard attempts human interaction for the first time

>>715792195 (OP)
tl;dr Jewish mysticism

Read about the Kabbalah and Mediterranean (including Mesopotamian) history and Elden Ring will make infinitely more sense to you.

>>715793906
>Read about the Kabbalah and Mediterranean (including Mesopotamian) history and Elden Ring will make infinitely more sense to you.
i actually have and i don't understand the link at all, unless i read wrong i don't remember anyone splitting their soul in to multiple people and having children with themselves, i don't remember any women giving birth to dogs (romulus and remus raised by a shewolf? inversion?? prostitutes were called shewolves, marika is a whore (as are all women)) i don't remember any of the conquering generals/basieleus/rex/tyrannos having children with a god that have horns all over their bodies and can bodyhop in to poor people, i don't remember any princes being murdered and becoming half dead mermaids spreading plague all over the lands

what books was i supposed to read again

>>715792195 (OP)
From what I've played so far, you're some maidenless guy wandering around a post-nuke hellhole. Eventually you find some ghost chick that will give you premarital hand-holds for increasing amounts of cash. Once you make it to King Arthur's round table, you'll find a better chick that will let you rest your face in her tits for free.
Your goal is to beat the shit out of everything with a visible health bar, probably to appease a tree or something.

Every spell is linked to some outer Gods
Outer Gods are space things that control reality like order chaos rot etc
The Elden Ring is a took from the outer God the greater will
Marika got mad at greater will because her son died despite getting rid of death and making everyone live forever
Elden Ring which controls order destroys lands between and causes war between Marikas family
Your role is to find the piece of Elden Ring and Marika and burn down Erdtree then pick one of 5 endings that have to do with outer Gods

Your basically a pawn of space aliens

Have fun

>>715793574
Keep seething subhuman troon

>>715794719
>mouthbreathing, barely literate downs syndrome retard attempts human interaction for the second time

>>715794427
Read up on the history of rome thru the ages and Marika's empires will fall into place nicely. Loosely get a grasp on the bronze age up to the 1800s and 90% of the things anons reference will make sense to you.
Pic rel is for NR and it... dense. Don't click it unless you think you can handle it. Pic rel is going to make your head hurt or upset you.
BUT if you know the smallest amount of basic history in the real world that the image talks about and NR you'll see a ton of parallels that were used for the background of the game.
ER is like that with european history. Ripping tons of historical references or parallels and adding fantasy and magic to them. Thats all the lore in these games are, if you know the real world foundation the lore is child's play.

Just do whatever the blue bitch says and get unlimited footjobs on the moon

>>715794938
this is a funny shitpost pretending like you're such an ape you think central america is the mediterranean/mesopotamia, you might get someone with it

>>715794804
keep
seething
tranny

>>715794938
is nightreign lore connected to the base game?

>>715795114
Trying too hard.

>>715795136
>mouthbreathing, barely literate downs syndrome retard attempts human interaction for the third time

>>715795204
keep seething, troon

>>715795239
>mouthbreathing, barely literate downs syndrome retard attempts human interaction for the fourth time

>>715795184
It’s not canon, but it’s a different timeline where the night is destroying the lands between.

>>715795290
keep seething, tranny

>>715795314
>mouthbreathing, barely literate downs syndrome retard attempts human interaction for the fifth time

A woman obtained divinity for herself and her children. Then she had a woman moment. She left her husband, became a gooner, had two more kids as a single mother, and then abandoned all of her kids to go play with herself some more. Her kids then proceeded to fuck everything up because they didn't have a father figure in their lives.
Moral of the story: never trust a woman.

>>715795339
keep seething
tranny

>>715795374
>mouthbreathing, barely literate downs syndrome retard attempts human interaction for the sixth time

>>715795198
so elden ring lore is worth exploring I take it? It is created with intent and purpose?

>>715795401
mentally unstable tranny

>>715795184
Very loosely. NR takes place in the larger ER canon but due to the way NR plays out it is a canon non-event for the most part. In NR the nightfarers win in the end and close a loop so the events never come to pass, hence the nightlord experiments being seen as failures in ER lore. The ending for NR strengthens the tie to ER by showing grace made during the nightfarer struggle traveling back to the lands between to become the grace Marika controls. That last part is actually the biggest connection or revelation NR has to ER.

>>715795448
>mouthbreathing, barely literate downs syndrome retard attempts human interaction for the seventh time

>>715795486
seething tranny

>>715795519
>mouthbreathing, barely literate downs syndrome retard attempts human interaction for the eighth time

keep seething, troon

>>715795198
Almost as good as the gta 5 mount chiliad schizo.

>>715795519
why are you unironically replying to a bot you fucking retard

>>715795457
so the nightfarer had grace or do they become grace in the end?

Miyazaki planned on having story in the game and he even said in an interview that it's going to have more story but it was completely cut.
After the game became one of the most successful games in history Miyazaki will never make another game with story. That's why you need to look forward to games like Nightreign not made by Miyazaki, since they have WAY more story

>>715792879
she looks like my babysitter but without the beautiful green eyes

>>715794610
>because her son died
Yeah dude not because she had to seal Messmer in the shadowlands.
Or because her golden country wasn't as perfect as she was trying to make it.
Or because of how manipulative the fingers are.
It's because her son died, even though it's no secret that ascending to godhood requires death, hence why she banished people from the lands between so they could die and get grace when they return.
It can't be because every single one of her children are born deformed.
It can't be regret over stealing godhood from someone else.
It's because of GODWYN!!!!!!

>>715795778
All that too. I was just giving a summary

>>715795435
I'd assume so. Behind all the historical lore and geography and nation states and religions that feel structured sits a deeper message akin to the, I dunno, "Souls theory" of what makes a strong person is still there, and probably more fleshed out than ever before.
As you play the game and unravel the lore and meet characters and do quests and kill bosses and hear their monologues you'll keep peeling back layers of lore and mentions of modes of thought teaching you how to be good and just and strong.

All the lore that you can understand if you know real world history is great and pretty nuanced, and it serves as the set dressing for really emergent gleanings into being the dude. You see warriors at their apex when fighting for the fight. You see the noble steward knight hold to his vows against all odds, you see the meek topple the tyrant, you see the just defeat evil in single combat, you see the prideful become selfless. The game is truly mythic in proportions and it doles it out piecemeal until you see the full picture. You see closeminded bigotry get proven wrong in action against dogmatic theory. You get to see a culture devolved into madness and become its savior or reckoner.
Or not, the gameplay is also really fun if none of the other stuff gets ya.

>>715795927
The pholosophers stone is found in filth after all. Good must shine in the dark and all that.

>>715792195 (OP)
It is just something that makes the game happen. More accurately it is what forms cool looking aesthetic environments.

The silver bullet critique which murders any argument about ER and fromsoft storytelling in general: where are the characters? Where is their growth, their reactions, their (lmao) humanity. Where are the expressions of joy, shows of camraderie, exposed shortcomings, etc. Fromsoft does nothing to flesh out its characters which is why the infamous zanzibart tweet was so effective. A historical record of supposed happenings (did they really happen, lol who knows?) is not a fleshed out lived in world built by its real inhabitants. Fucking Melina is by our side the whole game and uses the same intonation greeting us, telling us she had little faith in us but Torrent chose us, and while sacrificing her life to burn the Erdtree. The exact same monotone delivery in each distinct scene. Oblivious to the context of the events transpiring. The most charitable interpretation is every fromsoft character has crippling autism.

And yet they also made pic related and told a story through VA alone. Also sekiro was at least decent to even good characterization. Baffling company honestly.

>>715796262
Sekiro was such a step forward in both gameplay and story telling, and they just immediately droped it and went back to dark souls style games. At least AC 6 happened thankfully.

>>715795621
The actions they did in life and death is what makes the grace. That is the true grindstone milling away at some sort of magical constant of reality spurring more magic and change that arcs toward good. In ER the game is constantly showing you the life and death cycle in action in the background of your game with the erdtrees and corpses and flowers and heroe's graves and runes and all that. There is a value to a life lived well and true and that value gets cashed in on death if the death is valued to ergo value the life again if you get my drift.
ER showed the moving parts of the system but you are seeing it after the fact mostly, NR shows how those moving parts come about in the interplay of the 'actors' on it - the people.

Say a guy lives a noble good life and dies in a noble pursuit that is seen as such and 'witnessed' like one electron witnessing the other to collapse a wave function. That guy's life is going to have a value attached to it in his runes or something more powerful and foundational than even runes that affects the rest of the world (if not left to waste). That guy is probably going to have a sunflower sprout up where he died.
Now contrast that with a guy that lives a garbage trash life of suffering then dies in a malicious way designed to make him suffer. In the lore that is going to create a wraith. The value of that guy's life has been translated into something bad, evil. The effect it is going to have is going to be bad and evil.

The game is showing some sort of version of absolute morality in how actions in life and death translate as things later down the line. The actions the nightfarers are doing in NR creates a thing literally called grace. We see how they act in the game to create it. There is a greater message being told beyond kill bad guy.

>>715792195 (OP)
bunch of demigods do the typical god bullshit where they fuck and murder each other, then the universal will calls you back to the world to unfuck the situation as a contract worker, then you either side with god, side with the retard demigods, side with poopoo plunderer, or side with the devil to fuck the world even harder.
if you like any of the characters seeing their story play out and what grimdark shit happens to them.

Ignore shitposts here's the rough rundown

>fantasy world with lovecraftian space gods
>one that calls itself the greater will takes over the land but is a pretty chill god who hands out immortality and divine powers like crazy, but its also a control freak
>current queen of the land has a bit of a melty over them getting in the way of her plans so she gets locked up
>her demigod kids then fight over the inheritance and break the sacred rune which the greater will uses to give people powers into shards
>the ex-husband of the queen and descendants of his relativesare prophesied to return and get shit back in order (this is you and the 3rd final boss is the ex-husband)

This is as best i can gleam from the base game, dlc has a lot more shit going on with backstory

>>715792195 (OP)
It's taken me about three years to figure it out, but yes there's stuff worth perusing and understanding about Elden Ring. It's just that the stuff that isn't worth caring about is greater in volume. Elden Ring at its core tells the player that one should not seek godhood, as it only ever leads to the ruin. One should learn to integrate one's Shadow (usually Jungian, but Elden Ring makes an actual Land of Shadow Marika sealed away) and Animus/Anima (Radagon, Trina) into their life so as to become whole. The pursuit of godhood inherently necessitates rejection of your Shadow and Anima/Animus, leading to ruin. Radagon sought perfection outside of Marika, and ended up becoming a mere puppet of the Elden Beast and Golden Order. Marika rejected her Shadow and ended up a slave to the Golden Order. Miquella rejected his Anima in Trina, and is felled by our hands.

Problem is there's tons of shit that doesn't matter. Notice how my summary doesn't mention the Two Fingers, the dragons, Farum Azula, Metyr, etc.
>>715796262
You're pigeonholing storytelling. This isn't the valid argument you think it is. The only thing you're saying here is
>I don't like the Souls/Elden Ring style of storytelling

>>715796587
Show don't tell retard. The ER DS style shows us nothing. And the living legends we do meet don't even try to converse with us or behave in a remotely believable way because they are beholden to being a video game obstacle not a living being.

>>715796751
Again, you're pigeonholing storytelling. You've never seen a talkie in your life? Who's Afraid of Virgina Woolf? But I won't lie, I hadn't finished your post before I posted. Melina is dumb, her burning herself is dumb, Malenia trying to slice us on sight is dumb, and funnily enough, much earlier versions of the game had a Malenia that the player was able to speak to prior to fighting her. Elden Ring has lots of problems that Sekiro and AC6 do not, and it gives me hope that someday From Software will stop throwing away good ideas from previous games.

>>715796751
>And the living legends we do meet don't even try to converse with us or behave in a remotely believable way because they are beholden to being a video game obstacle not a living being.
The underriding current of be your own person and trust in your own power is exemplified in microsecond actions in cutscenes of the biggest most heroic manly men of the game. Their lore is littered with instances of how they aren't perfect men but in instances like pic related you see the peak of who they are and it connects in the most human ways possible.
Yes it is another berserk reference but it is also the moment when Radahn the Lion is most alive and most defiant and most like the apex of his lore describes him as. It happens in the blink of an eye and then its over, but it hits you in a primal part of your man brain. Its why things like Conan or Kull or John Carter can resonate with us 100 years later.

>>715797107
Nah I gotta agree with Phil over there. Radahn was willing to forego his promise to Miquella enough to force Malenia's hand in facing him down, but then he's all for it? That moment you're highlighting doesn't work for me and likely many others because we don't know anything about what Radahn is thinking. At least we know Malenia misses Miquella.

>>715797107
So if miquella hadn't come and attached himself like serosh radahn would have gone full barbarian warlord at this point?

>>715792195 (OP)
zanzibart.... forgive me

It’s a massively feminist world.

Women are stronger and better and more powerful than men. Also smarter.

Rennala is proof of this. No man has been smart enough to see the moon. Only women.

>>715793314
It is completly coherent and everything happens for a reason.

>>715797304
Baiting aside that is a fine perspective to have. The game works on enough levels that you can value either side legitimately because there is enough depth everywhere to get invested.
>>715797341
That's the implication. His fightan aura was rising up and he had that deathglare in his eyes he was about to become himself again. It took Miquella as a god to subdue him which gives him a little more sympathy and makes Miquella look that much worse.
With Serosh we could recognize what Horah did to free him of the limiter was not honorable even if we accept that him being Horah again to fight us is the right thing to do. There is complexity in the action which gives complexity to the man. We kill Horah in a true honorable fight at 100% power on both sides, the true warrior fight. He gets respect for that, but him killing Serosh as he did is another of a litany of examples in the game's stuff about him showing he was a flawed man.

>>715792195 (OP)
No, it's a clusterfuck.

>>715797689
I hate how a woman 1/10th the size of Radahn is “his equal”. What the hell. God I hate Japan sometimes. They love their badass women way too much and now it is encroaching into strong womyn territory.

>>715792195 (OP)
It's the basic ass "mature" everything sucks SMT plot but told through a oh my zanzibart writing, now with everyone having mommy issues

>No man has been smart enough to see the moon. Only women.
But I thought the player can learn it? Doesn’t Gideon also use it in his fight?

>>715797689
Ymir completely dunks on the Carians and Raya Lucaria. I think his hat has a quote from him, something along the lines of
>The moon was just the closest celestial body and we were dumb to worship it
>>715797713
I'm not baiting anything. You're highlighting a moment where Radahn was about to become himself again. He has no "self" as related to the player. He's a a nearly mindless husk in Caelid, with no dialogue, and he's Miquella's consort in Enir Ilim, with no dialogue. If the moment works for you that's great, but I can't pretend it works for me when I don't know what Radahn is thinking. Does he despise Tarnished the way other people do? Is he mad that a Tarnished is besting him, or is he mad that he's being bested at all? Is he thinking about Miquella when he's turning red? Who the hell knows.

Reminder that Miyazaki wings everything. If you bothered paying attention to how the game developed, you’d notice that he kept changing his mind about a lot of shit.

Even in the DLC. You can tell Marika was originally meant to have betrayed the Nox, not the Hornsent. The twin blade in the original base game was meant to be Malenia’s and Miquella’s.

>>715797772
>I hate how a woman 1/10th the size of Radahn is “his equal”
She wasn't? She had to fucking nuke Caelid and it still wasn't enough to kill Radahn, then her soldier had to carry her sorry ass back to the Haligtree.

>>715792195 (OP)
Demi-humans wuz the first humans because of the crucible. Then whitey said "hell naw" and turned them into marginalized communities.

Actual monotheistic God, exists, but he's a scary HP lovecraft thing. Elites hate him so you know he's the good guy. God hates fags so anything that's kind of dragon-like or science-like gets shat on. After getting their ass SHOVED by God over and over, dragons bitch out and become bisexual, scientists go underground.

Pagan gods show up and they're signaled by popsicle flavors. watermelon is rot, cherry is blood, lemon is frenzy, pineapple is erdtree, blue raspberry is magic, etc.

It's japan so Jesus' mom is basically a literal boy-moder BPD enby transvestite that sleeps with alpha males. One of them kayfabes so hard xhe gets with him. Only the trolls know this, but they've all ripped out the giant eyes the fire giants have because they've seen that bussy.

Mummy-Daddy is basically scummy, she kills a bunch of people and then gaslights the survivors. Woman behavior. One night, rennala shags the boymode version and has babies with it. This is where every richfag comes from btw. Also, the tranny divorces her because the tranny falls in love with itself.

Jesus is also in the game, but he gets killed by feminazis. Basically one of the discord-user richfags had a melty over the divorce and killed Jesus.
Mummy-Daddy spergs out over the death of jesus and shatters the 'ELDEN RING'. But this event has no name 'The Shattering' is World War 1.

The richfag that killed jesus is also trans and kills xerself in order to be put in a 'ghost in the shell' transhuman body, she does this to spite society.

Richfags use shabbos goy, hence tarnished. You clear the entire game just to lay down some red carpet for your richfag of choice. Don't grip the cheeto fingers, that'll make the other shabbos to defend richfags, much like /v/. The tarnished you fight are redpilled but not the main character, he's bluepilled, again, like /v/.

>>715797925
>The moon was just the closest celestial body and we were dumb to worship it
This is subtle cope, since the moon still costs 70int over this 40int spell, lul. He’s not even a true boss with a remembrance. His students surpassed him, lul.

>>715797859
No. Gideon only uses comet Azur. I bet Miyazaki didn’t want him to have the full moon spell since he didn’t want him to be as smart as Rennala.

>>715797958
I think Elden Ring's story began as something something Jungian Shadow, but it got away from Miyazaki and he had to rein it back in. Problem is it was kind of sloppy. The core idea still works dearly for me. No one should want to become god.
>Marika was originally meant to have betrayed the Nox
Like the Fingerslayer Blade and shit? Or did I miss something?
>twinblade
Yeah I've read that that was when Great Runes had a greater importance in the game, but this was evidently canned.

>>715797859
Its opt-in based thru communion, there is no record of a man being interested in doing one. Different modes of thinking make the world go round.
>>715797925
>He has no "self" as related to the player.
He is a character in the game and I heard a bunch about him in the game's items and gear and killed his mindless husk version in the Radahnbowl. I could tell what was happening when his red aura rose and he looked directly into the camera and what happened when Miquella addressed him and it all faded away. If you couldn't that is on you. If you choose to devalue what you saw that is also on you.

>>715797970
She stabbed him once and he lost. The AIDS sprinkle was the cherry on top.

>>715792387
try putting some snow on your burned ass?

>>715798071
>This is subtle cope, since the moon still costs 70int over this 40int spell, lul. He’s not even a true boss with a remembrance. His students surpassed him, lul.
We don't truly fight Rennala either. We fight her retard rebirthed preceptors and teachers and students. I will say for you that Elden Ring drops the ball in not allowing us to kill Rennala.

>>715797925
I imagine radahn isn't thinking much at all, he is pretty much brain dead at the players point in the story. Any action he takes comes from pure animalistic instinct.

>>715798147
meaneded for
>>715792387

>>715798082
The Nox in the files are MarikasDescendants. She buried them. She was a silver/golden tear. They made another version of goo people with the shaman.

>>715792195 (OP)
>So what is the actual lore of this game?
Style over substance, based on loose ideas that Miyazaki and the team liked and somehow mashed them all into the game at best, random AI generated stuff at worst. Just look at the "lyrics" of some of the tunes, theres videos of theories about the meaning of the lyrics but the team already explained its all random nonsense

>>715798181
Nah that was just a glimpse of Rennala. She’d be more powerful at her peak. Her sister is also a legitimate remembrance boss too.

>>715793314
It is completely incoherent and was clearly cobbled together from leftover concept art and vibes.

>hur dur rennala is better than azur and lusat hur dur
No she isn’t

>>715798132
>He is a character in the game and I heard a bunch about him in the game's items and gear and killed his mindless husk version in the Radahnbowl. I could tell what was happening when his red aura rose and he looked directly into the camera and what happened when Miquella addressed him and it all faded away. If you couldn't that is on you. If you choose to devalue what you saw that is also on you.
I can't make it any simpler than this: Bradley, one of the NPC summons in Dark Souls II, is a character. He has no self as related to the player. If Bradley had a red aura moment, it would fall just as flat as the Radahn moment, because we don't know what Bradley is thinking, just as we don't know what Radahn is thinking.
>>715798219
So the Nox were trying to synthetically create people, they succeeded with Marika who rose to prominence, and then Marika betrays the Nox. Then Miyazaki and the gang write in the Hornsent? Interesting how that turned out. The story still works I feel, but that would have been cool to see. I wouldn't be surprised if Nightreign's Noklateo was supposed to have been some sort of endgame area in regular Elden Ring.

>>715798343
Lusat’s staff also boosts moon sorceries a tad bit more than Rennala’s staff, and is based/modelled after the Elder Wand in Harry Potter.

>>715798139
If you're going by the story trailer, watch it again. She stabs herself to trigger the bloom. And then whispers something to Radahn, and people somehow still think Promised Consort was a last-minute asspull when this was before the base game was even out

>>715798082
I think the overall scope itself is too big for singular focus. The shadow stuff you like is all there on full display and the no one should become god message is the right one. But it is hidden in equally dense treatises on metallurgy, or longscale empire timelines, or made up religious doctrine, or marrying aesthetics to the message.
It is way too dense to pick it apart on your own even over a dozen playthrus. The game seems to be aware of its dense nature with the bear communion items being the most direct messaging about go your own way but in the same sentence call it a laughed at idea. They know the discussion of the lore causes division lol.

>>715797997
I'm pissed at how accurate this is.

>>715798419
Every character is a character. If you think some don't apply I can't really help you.

>>715798452
She doesn’t need to stab herself to trigger the bloom you idiot

The fujo shit was an ass pull fuck you

>>715798453
Preaching to the choir. There was a better way to do these things, and there's really cool things you can find like how Enir Ilim and the Gate of Divinity are made of corpses to make a god, and you can find similar corpses in front of the Nox giants so you can surmise they were making a god, AND finally all the skeletons in Placidusax's arena? It means Farum Azula was an Enir Ilim at one point to create or summon a god. But all of that is lost in the breadth of the game.

>>715798558
She does though, thats the point. You are ignoring what happens to force a character that isn't real. Malenia DOES stab herself to trigger the rot. She does it on purpose for a reason.

>>715798343
Aren’t Azur and Lusat literally unkillable gods? They just sit there being all zen.

>>715798532
Not all characters are chreated equal, or have enough meat in their stories to make a supposedly significant moment significant. Let's agree to disagree then. Good day anon.

>>715798673
Nope. She doesn’t need to do that in her fight at all.

>>715798597
It is there though. People always accepted that you could play these games with 0 interest or understanding of the lore and it is still fun. Somewhere along the line people got weird when they realized how deep it goes when you do care.
>>715798703
They don't need to be. Thinking they do is a critical blunder in story telling. Sometimes the waiter doesn't need a backstory, sometimes the friend of the Deuteronomist doesn't get as much lore as the Deuteronomist.

She fucking won.

>>715798808
Because you're there beating her ass pushing her over the edge. Radahn just kept letting her get back up instead of triggering the phase change, so she did it herself.

>>715798808
And yet she does? Curious. Sorry for the meme but you aren't seeing reality here. She does seppuku to trigger her rot and it informs who she is. It is what it is. At the end of the day it is still a fictional character so who cares. You can treat them with meaningful depth and still say who cares because its video game boss lol.

The way weirdos glaze Malenia like bishojo fangirls is as valid as people treating her like a prideful loser. Both elements of her are true.

>>715798863
>It is there though
I didn't say anything wasn't anywhere. I said the minutia of something like Farum Azula having been a site of god making similar to Enir Ilim is lost in the breadth of the game, which is true.

>>715797997
/thread

>>715799038
She doesn’t need to stab herself to bloom and neither do you, the player.

>>715798863
Last post from me anon.
>They don't need to be
I agree. Except when you expect me to believe that red aura moment was supposed to be in any way truly significant. It's a cool moment, and that's as far as it gets for me.

I don't need to know Radagon's origins. I used to really want to know, but I now understand the point of Radagon. Radagon's moment where he looks back at the player/camera and the Elden Ring is inhabiting his being is significant because it shows that he's no longer really there. He's a puppet. Radahn is the opposite, he is very much so there. Ah forget it. I have shit to do. Look you like the moment, good for you. Call it my loss that I don't. For the record it's my favorite fight in the game and I like Radahn enough.

elden ring lore sucks ass

>>715798683
It’s ambiguous if it’s a good thing or not. Same as how Radagon’s influence being good or not is ambiguous. Both primeval sorcerers and Radagon make use of the Cuckoo symbolism, and Cuckoo birds are parasites.

>>715793287
are you really implying conservatives don't care about lore, you stupid braindead faggot?

I've never got any of the lore playing the game, you'd find a sword with a description like "Balthazar used this sword in the great battle" and then niggers like vaati have 3 hours long video describing the guy and battle as if any of that information is easily present and identifiable in game. Like where do these people get any of this information when NPCs say 3 lines of dialogue that's just as vague.

>>715794938
Is GRRM smart or dumb?

>>715792195 (OP)
For me it was very good, but a the game is bit too long for its own good.

I wonder what they are cooking now. Bloodborne appeared out of nowhere and stunned everyone. Sekiro didn't quite hit the the same level of awesomeness. AC6 was very mild. ER had big hopes going for it and it fullfilled my personal hype for about 70%.

>>715801864
They all learned knowledge they probably shouldn't have if you ascribe to a type of thinking like Gideon.
Hitting a point of knowledge to do the things a cosmic being can do is this setting's version of stealing the fire of the gods.
>>715802030
Both. Read up on his Sandkings story and how he repeats the themes there over and over in all his various series to see how much of a shitposter blackpilled clown he is. He builds multilayered realistic fantasy or scifi trappings and has the principle players therein act as real as possible but his true perspective is of god smashing bugs and not caring, until the bugs eat god.

>>715802030
He’s unironically not dumb about how fantasy is supposed to work. Yes he’s up there with Tolkien, and if you bother to read Tolkien’s letters it vibes with Martin’s takes on magic.

>>715792195 (OP)
just watch vaati bro

>>715802254
To George, fantasy and science fiction are the same, and he’s technically not wrong.

>>715802589
True. That is a fun phenomena of sci-fi and fantasy evolving alongside each other like they have. Magi-tech was always the coolest concept ever.
Elden ring is rife with it but it keeps it like 95% fantasy 5% scifi. You can explain how the divine towers work in very loose understanding like you would a radio tower but the terminology would be all magic aligned.

There is no lore
It’s a lifeless game with bad combat(worse than for honor and any other action game it tries to imitate)

>>715793906
It has no ties to any religion whatsoever. It has a dlc where you fight a tranny who got raped by his brother who was also raped by another faggot and he tries to hug you

>>715792195 (OP)
You have to be forgiven by Zanzibart, the fairy queen.

>>715803103
This is how Miyazaki did the lore

“Haha. Cool glowing tree like Berserk, or Lord of the Rings, haha. Haha medieval alchemical concepts. Haha.”

And his fans are like…

“OMG THE TREE OF LIFE THE KABBALAH OHMYGOOOOOD THIS IS SO DEEP”

>>715792195 (OP)
There is no lore. It's all just mindless rollslop
>inb4 "environmental storytelling"

Miyazaki uses a randomized casino slot machine to decide his lore.

>>715804254
No he chops off a random chicken’s head and he lets it flail around before falling somewhere on the wheel

>>715804254
>>715804514
Lmao

>the story is bad because it's not like other stories I like
Amazing...

>>715792478
/thread

>>715794804
hahahaha

>>715804514
>Manateezaki

>>715802014
Try watching the videos. Most lorefags back up their claims showing where they got the ideas (more item descriptions, dialogue and environmental storytelling). Tarnished Archeologist is probably one of the best lorefags out there.

>>715794498
Fairly accurate

>>715804826
You always cope

>>715795184
It takes place in a world where the Nox took over and instated an Elden Lord of some sort, but seem to have lost control.

>>715798808
her needle was already damaged

you must become lord to do... something... because of... some reason
anyway here's some epic bosses with some music that goes oOoOoOo

>>715797925
Ymir is a dumbass.
He's like Corhyn, a brainlet that can't keep up with the real geniuses (Goldmask/Rennala).

There isn't really any, it's just supposed to be vague half-true bits of information, like mythology. I don't think they intend you to understand what is going on in the story at all. I think it worked for Dark Souls but its a bit of a cop out in Elden Ring.

>>715807613
Kek

>>715803103
Where can I subscribe to your YouTube channel, lore sage?

>>715804514
Accurate

>>715794610
>The Elden Ring is a took from the outer God the greater will
What did he mean by this?
Seriously I'm dying for someone to actually explain what the elden ring is and it's always some unintelligible abloobloo, what the fuck.

>>715808947
Well, we know that life can work away from the influence of the Ring. Life in the midst of the Ring is like some metaphor for the goldilocks zone. Live away from it, like those in the underground or those on the mountaintops, and you’re diverging from it. You’re not submitting to the roots.

Life is blue, the Ring is yellow. We know there are yellow stars. It seems that the Ring guided evolution on a path that was to nourish its growth. The Elden Beast is a not!Lavos and consumes experience. It is why the Beast is shaped like its precious subjects—the ancient dragons.

Whether the Ring was absolutely vital for life, is unknown. We can’t be sure if blue, or natural (non-Ring’d) life, is any better.

>>715792195 (OP)
Goddess has a woman moment that fucks up the order of the world. Ayy lmao god gets angered by that and fuses her and her husband into one being as punishment, and now you have to clean up the mess.
Main takeaway is the gods are basically just as emotional and retarded as normal humans, except more powerful.

>>715809612
>The Elden Beast is a not!Lavos and consumes experience.
I’m surprised people don’t understand this more. When you’re going down into the underground you’re bringing the Erd’s influence with you, which takes the shape of Grace, runes, remembrance, etc.

>>715798132
To me the red aura was the Formless Mother trying to reclaim Mohg's body, since our battle was a dance that attracted her through the Divine Gate (like how the Horned Warriors channels spirits through it).
>>715798419
Bradley is a guy you find twice holdin a spear and a talisman that helps you with healing spells.
Meanwhile we know that Radhan is the son of a god and a sorceress, modeled his image on a lion out of a deep admiration for the previous Elden Lord, studied magic in multiple schools for the purpose of keeping a debilitated horse as his mount, used said magic to protect his school from a meteor impact, loved battle and loved his men and was seen as a paragon of might by everyone around him, who followed him after the Shattering even when he went against Leyndell and in his battle in Caelid against Malenia, where even with his wits slowly crumbling he managed to still hold back the stars as well as not attack his horse to eat him, and defending it when he does more destructive strikes. We know a lot about Radhan even if he never so much as speaks.

>>715792195 (OP)
I really want to try out Elden Ring, but the apparent total lack of a story/lore really draws me back. Is there really NO STORY at all bros? You just go around killing bosses and monsters?

>>715809736
Cool interpretation. Maybe there's a link to the Formless Mother name and the Formless Master name in the spinoff what with all the motherly overtones in both games, one showing a fucked one and one showing a better one. Power can come from weird places.

>>715798343
This. I don’t know why people think she’s the best because her spell costs the most INT.

>>715809868
The story is there if you want to find it.

>>715809868
Pretty much
You run around as le epic Japanese samurai and just kill monsters with bad combat.
There is no story and no quests in this game.

>>715809612
Shut up Jew.

>>715813194
How is that a Jew post

>>715805368
Okay I will, I am just saying that I think From Software does a poor job in showing this stuff in ways an average player like me could follow

>>715794610
Outer Gods are not space things, except stars.

Why do you morons still not understand that the One Great is meant to be One Great Big Bang. This world is myth mixed in with physics. We all come from stardust - glintstone - and we all return to to the earth - amber - in the end.

>>715815318
Everyone gets it.

>>715808947
It's a rune that functions like the source code of reality, at least on the world.

This is not explained well in game unless you get the FF ending where Hyetta explains that the GW "fractured" a singularity and or a lifeless rock, which coupled with the Elden Star description implies the GW sent down the Elden Ring which made the planet the game is set on what it is. Incidentally, the "rune" is made of a celestial Hallucigenia velvet worm monster, ya'know, like Attack on Titan.

Most of the endings involve creating a special mending rune to add to the ring that changes a property in it. This is also explained through the Destined Death rune that Maliketh had inside of him, which when released looks like a rune that would fit with the Elden Ring.

>>715792195 (OP)
Understanding the timeline of events in the Land Between is crucial to developing a comprehension of the the actions and motivations of its characters. Metaphorically, and symbolically, it's easy to point out that the game draws influence from hermetic alchemical tradition and ritual, and also higher concepts like the fallibility of religious dogmatism and syncretism, the sacrificial costs of civilisation, the disparity of the inherent evolutionary thrust of nature and synthetic human transcendence, and the recurring legacy of compromises made in the power struggles of idealistic utilitarian leaders.
The problem is that the history of events in Elden Ring is not only deliberately obfuscated through unreliable NPC's and even fucking unreliable descriptions of all things, but also that creating a mental map of the Lands Between timeline can be irritatingly challenging because much of the game's past is left vague to enhance its mythic quality.
Simple things like the reasoning between Radahn and Malenia's battle in Caelid were also left mostly unanswered for beyond the contest for power in the wake of the shattering. But if you go further back, ask questions like 'why was Godwyn targeted, supposedly by those of the same kin as Marika' etc. and it becomes even harder to piece together without veering hugely into headcanon. Like Godwyn and his draconic cult were vying to usurp Marika and similar theories.
Headcanon obviously being what From and Miyazaki want you to do. That's their style. But it's unsatisfying nonetheless.

Where did the Nox come from? Do they come from the ancient astrologers or do they predate them?

>>715818157
They're descendants of the Numen. Either as a result of Numen being underground for so long or some sort of Mimic Tier tier replicant, like a perfect albinauric.

Their skin texture has them look a lot like Draconian presets, though Mimic Tears transform into characters with Nightfolk presets. The Nightfolk are only mentioned once ingame aside from their lore description which implies they're silver tier replicants, through Urumi, which bares a similiarity to the silver weaponry of the nox.

So yeah, either they're silver tier homonculi or some sort of drow race related to Numen.

>>715797997
more or less

The big bad is literally trans

>>715818157
They’re descendants of the ancient astrologers. See the sword of night & flame.

>>715818460
Numen are people with high runic potential. They’ve been around for as long as the Ring was here. Runes progress up to Numen Rune, and they go higher into Hero, Lord, etc. Marika is the most Numen, hence Marika’s Rune.

The Nox are Numen who worshiped and feared the night. Without the Ring, away from the surface of life’s normalcy, these people had to resort to alchemical means to survive, which is what those giant dead maternal figures represent. Surrogate or duplicate mothers.

The Nox underground were albinaurics—this is confirmed by finishing Philia’s and Latenna’s quest. Philia is a giant sleeping figure much like the ones underground.

The giant Nox throne in Sellia is ancient and abandoned. The Sellians returned to life’s normalcy on the surface and had no further need of alchemical solutions. The Sellians were once nightfolk.

>>715792195 (OP)
No. The lore of From games is supposed to feel special because you don't have many pieces to figure it out. If the story was told to you, like in a real game, the story would fall flat and not be that interesting.

>>715819376
So to hide the fact that their story is shit they segmented and without certain facts? Cool game

>>715819195
>Numen are people with high runic potential. They’ve been around for as long as the Ring was here. Runes progress up to Numen Rune, and they go higher into Hero, Lord, etc. Marika is the most Numen, hence Marika’s Rune.

Jesus fucking Christ how could I miss this what the hell. I used to think Numen were an actual race or something.

>>715820594
It’s because most morons use up all of their runes. They don’t see the the progression.

>>715792195 (OP)
Despite hiring one of the biggest fantasy authors there is, both in BMI and in relevance, Miyazaki still can't make a universe with better lore than that of Armored Core For Answer.

The game makes so much more sense when you realise that Messmer is Radagon, and Radagon is Marika