Why are people trying to make sense of Mario "Lore" and where this game fits on the "Time line" it's Mario it's not that deep

someone already made a mario 64 pauline model?

>>715797064

>>715797013 (OP)
mario lore was a meme but apparently some people took it seriously

>>715797013 (OP)
>Donkey Kong's original and most iconic game has him kidnapping Pauline because he's in love with her
>A game that's referenced in Bananza and Odyssey
It's stupid beyond just Cranky Kong lorefaggotry.

>For nearly 40 years you don't have much story past "Mario and Pauline were dating. Donkey Kong (Now Cranky Kong) took her once and Mario saved her
>Retcon that for whatever reason
It's not that deep or important. No video game lore is "important" but it just makes me question why they did it in the first place.

>>715797137
what's your problem?

>>715797013 (OP)
Mario has never taken it's lore seriously but it's also never retconned anything. It's been pretty established that everything that happens in the main games is treated as to have happened in future releases.

So like, lore has never had a focus, but Nintendo also cared enough to never outright retcon things, which is I think where the confusion comes from

>>715797916
Seems like this game really revealed whose a ieieeidh

>>715797013 (OP)
People with autism can't distinguish the nuance of some IP not needing have a concrete timeline, and that idea fucks with their brain.
They have to map things under a timeline even if it was intended to be nothing more than a little easteregg or references to the past work.

>>715797383
>a meme but apparently some people took it seriously
Exactly how we got Prequelfags, the Snyder cult and MAGAts.

>>715797137
You couldn't be more obvious
Reddit is over there
Corny as fuck

>>715797916
Tbh nintendo had just been getting sloppier and sloppier with their narratives too.
TotK, pikmin 4, and now this

>>715797013 (OP)
Nintendo bent the knee to Zelda autists when they shat out a nonsensical timeline that requires 3+ parallel timelines exist to make any sense at all, and it ruined discussion forever with people headcanoning retarded dogshit and thinking it matters or Nintendo remotely cares

mario games don't even have just one continuity. it's not like zelda with branching timelines, there are just several linear series that never interact with one another.

>>715797137
You have to be 18 to post here, that guys post is fine

>>715797013 (OP)
Tendies have ALWAYS been like that. They got a timeline for every game ever released even if makes no sense and no such timeline exist confirmed by Nintendo itself they still go and create these elaborate timelines and happenings about games where the story, characters and settings never even mattered at all to begin with.

>>715797137
why are you like this

Nintendo's biggest mistake they have ever made was pretending the Zelda timelime ever mattered beyond references or very direct sequels, since how this shit spread out to every Nintendo franchise. Back then Mario "lore" was just a fun gag, like laughing at how Mario did 9/11 because of the comics. Now retards actually take the shit Nintendo writes up in barely a week and slaps it into the game seriously.

The lore is really simple once you accept that the original Donkey Kong arcade didn't feature Mario, Pauline and current DK, but Jumpman (Giuseppe), Lady (Pauline's grandma) and original DK (Cranky).

>>715799181

>>715797916
>but it's also never retconned anything
mario was just a dude from new york then they retconned it so that he's from the mushroom kingdom and they completely retconned lady into pauline
they aren't sticklers for lore consistency between games, they place higher importance on the game they are currently making over being consistent with previous games, they think of a mechanic where yoshi's carrying a baby and has to protect it, well just make the baby mario, doesn't matter, they want to add vocal songs for dk's transformations, well just add pauline, make her a kid so she fits on DK's back, it doesn't matter

>>715801931
This
People have always asked why Cranky aged so much while Mario stayed the same if he was Jumpman, this is the explanation

>>715798647
What did Reddit ever do to you?

>>715797013 (OP)
People inherently enjoy continuity in their series.

>>715803362
>Coiny as fuck
>BING
>BING
WA-HOO!!!

>>715799570
Aonuma was the one who came up with the split timeline in a japanese interview before the wind waker released

>>715804470
Post it.

>>715803362
this is a really good bait im gonna remember this

>>715797013 (OP)
It makes perfect sense as soon as you discard the “hurr cranky is the original dk” autism retards keep trying to force

>>715804640
Banaza confirms he's the original DK. Again.

>>715804679
No it doesn’t.

>>715797013 (OP)
Shit is simple to explain
>Donkey Kong is not an individual, Donkey Kong is a title just like King or Emporer
>So are Cranky, Diddy, Candy, Funky, etc.
>The DK you play as it actually the Arcade game’s DK’s Grandfather
>Cranky in Bananza is Arcade DK’s Great-Great Grandpa
>The whole game takes place before the original arcade game and Bananza’s DK’s Grandson will be the DK from the Arcade/Cranky from DKC

>>715804718
Yes it does.

>>715804864
No it doesn’t.

>>715804845
Explain Diddy and Dixie literally referring to the events of the original donkey kong country games in the past tense

>>715804986
History loop.
Kongs are destined to fight the Kremlings for eternity and the events of their family repeat.

I'm just gonna say it's Mario and Baby Mario are both frequently in the same room together for no reason and just go with Pauline and Kid Pauline both exist simultaneously.

>>715799570
>the hero succeeds
>the hero.. doesn't
b r a v o

>>715797013 (OP)
Nintentrannies need something to fill their lifes

>>715797137
(you)

Timeline A (Mario and Luigi are born and raised in Brooklyn)
>Donkey Kong Circus
>Donkey Kong
>Donkey Kong Jr
>Donkey Kong III/Mario Bros (DK terrorised a greenhouse meanwhile Mario and his brother deal with sewer creatures)
OR (timeline split)
>Donkey Kong 94 (DK gets revenge with help from Jr, but at the end makes amends with Mario and Pauline and they discover the Mushroom Kingdom)
>Super Mario Bros (and onwards)
Distant Future
>DKC series (original DK (now Cranky) and presumably Mario and friends are elderly, now it is up to DK III to save the day)

Timeline B (Mario and Luigi are born in the Mushroom Kingdom):
>Yoshi's Island
>Yoshi's Island DS (Origin of Wario, Peach, Modern DK, and the main Yoshi)
>Partners in Time (Past)
>Yoshi's Story (Main Yoshi is a toddler and saves Yoshi's Island)
>Super Mario Bros onwards (Mario was not isekai'd here, he has always lived here but this was his first true adventure)
>Super Mario Galaxy (Rosalina resets the universe)
(History now has the original Jumpman and Lady as Mario's grandparents/parents, they moved to the Mushroom Kingdom where the stork delivered the babies, but moved back to New Donk which is now off the coast of MK where the bros grow up with their cousin/sibling Pauline, between Baby Mario adventures and Grown Mario adventures, the entire DKC series happens followed by Bananza which follows a young Pauline)
>Super Mario Galaxy 2 onwards (Current universe's retelling of Galaxy)
>Odyssey (Mario returns to his home and meets Pauline who is now the Mayor)

>>715797013 (OP)
Millennials are attached to vidya characters way too much while devs mostly use them as a tool for making a particular game barely lingering over lore consistency.

>>715797013 (OP)
Because everything has to be 100% logical or my over nine thousand terminal autisms will be triggered.

>>715797064
Don't underestimate SM64 autists.

>>715806332
Forgot this
>Mario vs DK series (Mario opens up toy shop with help from some toads in New Donk, Modern DK causes chaos, even later on kidnaps Pauline)

>>715797013 (OP)
lady and pauline are two different characters

>>715797013 (OP)
...And I thought Sonic fags were supposed to be the autistic ones.

>>715801931
Giuseppe is only a character in the movie as a way to mock video game Mario and his voice.

>>715801931
1. Miyamoto has said numerous times that Mario is the same Mario in all his games, so he is the same 'Mario' in Donkey Kong and Pauline conversely is the only Pauline
2. If your idea was true, then Pauline/Mario would probably be related via their grandparents and that's never brought up or hinted at once
3. Pauline being Mario's ex in general is funnier and more interesting, it makes Mario more of a chad that he's scored not one but TWO beauties (and apparently was even the one to break up with a 10/10 like Pauline)
4. Cranky Kong must be referencing some other instance of his kidnapping maidens / fighting a guy in overalls as a tongue-in-cheek reference to the old games.

I agree it sucks he's not the original Donkey Kong from the arcade anymore, that's a gay retcon, but there's no other explanation based on the evidence in front of us that this is how things work now.

>>715809412
according to >>715798447 gorillas age faster that's how mario stays the same. how does that hold up

>>715809967
I don't think it does anymore. I used to just go into that theory too given the lifespans of gorillas are much shorter compared to humans, that's why Cranky looks so old while Mario is still young despite them both appearing in the 1981 arcade game.

But now with the new timeline of DKC being BEFORE any of the mario games, it seems like the apes definitely just age at a normal, human-like rate if Donkey/Diddy looking the same in the Mario games as they do in DKC/Bananza are anything to go by. Cranky is just legitimately old now and whatever he's referencing could have been way more than 40 years ago

Nintendo does it. Before each game they run through this retarded Disney lore like anyone gives a shit, and build the game from there unless they just want to use a franchise for paint like they did with Bananza, which is a Mario game too poor for his IP.

>You now live in an era where the Donkey Kong timeline is more confusing / interesting to talk about than the Zelda timeline
what a world

>>715797013 (OP)
autistic people do this. Most of the nintodders are autistic manchildren so of course they do this with a children game.

I find the "Mario" lore to be really fun and fresh. The setting of the Mario games being anachronistic fantasy gives it a really unique vibe. It's almost a little bit like Dragon Ball in that there are modern cities as well as castles and knights and cars and monsters and wizards all blended together.

Despite being rather "theme" based rather than worldbuilding based, they do keep a charming internal logic. It's just fun to explore Mario worlds.

>>715797916
>Nintendo also cared enough to never outright retcon things, which is I think where the confusion comes from

>>715811256
That happened more than 20 years ago, give it up.

>>715797137
Based.

But what about the Zelda-Mario conjoined timeline?

>>715813539
What's the big twist of Link's Awakening?

What's the big twist of Super Mario Bros 2?

>>715814629
I USED TO READ WORD-UP MAGAZINE!

>>715816995
>manhands

>>715797013 (OP)
I dont know why so many people care
I knew there were theories around Zelda timeline, but about Mario? Who cares dude, its not deep, their stories are just "save the princess"

Lorefags, don't look!

>>715817625
Because they don't treat it as a fantasy game.

>>715797013 (OP)
I hope Nintendo keeps releasing games like that just to fuck with loretards

>>715818003
Are baby DK and DK Jr different characters?

>>715797013 (OP)
This ends the k rool lore.

>>715810491
It's audience imposed confusion, not actual confusion

>>715805752
Works better if you consider the original trilogy along with its sequels and Minish Cap as its own separate world, making Ocarina an honest to God reboot/AU.

>>715807229
>lady and pauline are two different characters
Nintendo considers them one and the same. Don't take guides, especially old ones, seriously.

>>715823223
>>715816995

>>715807229
redesigns.

>>715823262
That's not a gotcha, bro. That's Pauline wearing her old duds back when she was still Lady. It's a reference.

>>715817129
>mariohands

>>715823984
Or a reference to another character in a DONKEY KONG game.
>her old duds
>even when it's labeled Lady" ' " s.

>>715797013 (OP)
It’s simple there’s 3 generations of Marios, Donkey Kongs, and Paulines

>>715820398
Baby DK is DK Jr.'s dad. He's the DK who grows up to fight Mario and becomes Cranky.

>>715820398
>Are baby DK and DK Jr different characters?
Yeah. Baby DK is our DK, and JR is his son that has yet to be born circa Bananza. Dude's only slightly older than Pauline in the game, and is Mario's age.
>>715824408
Dude, you are so fucking autistic. It's a REFERENCE to her old design and name. Plenty of games let you wear whatever old shit the character used to wear in the past. This isn't new.

>>715824731
If DK got a Cranky outfit, or Mario a Jumpman outift, that wouldn't make them Cranky and Jumpman. You call me autistic when you work on Andrew Dobson logic.

>>715824969
>If DK got a Cranky outfit, or Mario a Jumpman outift, that wouldn't make them Cranky and Jumpman.
Bro what? Learn sone reading comprehension, dude.

>>715825103
Dude, if like, Mario, like hear me out bro, wore a Jumpman outfit, would that like, make him Jumpman bro?

>>715797013 (OP)
cunny Pauline needs to be added to Mario Kart ASAP

>>715801931
>Giuseppe
The protagonist is my good friend Mario

>>715825235
>would that like, make him Jumpman bro?
He is Jumpman, dumbass. It's his original name, just as Lady was Pauline's name. Characters get renamed and redesigned all the time.

>Crankyfag shitting up /v/ after being btfo’d by /smbg/
DK has been confirmed by Nintendo with their new merchandise that he’s the same DK from the arcade. The cranky lore is literally invalid as of this game and if anything solidified he has dementia

Nintenbros are just passionate about the franchises they like and would rather spent time engaging with them rather than shitposting on /v/ about console wars.

>>715825235
>Jumpman outfit
You mean his classic colors? Odyssey already did that. Also Jumpman was just a beta name, and I don't see you calling him Mr. Video.

>>715825557
>DK has been confirmed by Nintendo with their new merchandise that he’s the same DK from the arcade.
bananza debunks this, i'm afraid.

>>715825557
Bananza itself says Arcade DK has multiple descendants. I guess you could say that it's still not Cranky (Cranky's dad? Some random Kong?) but it's absolutely not current DK

is this the thread?

Let's see which of these makes more sense
>Cranky is arcade Donkey Kong
or
>Cranky is a hecking eldritch horror, self-aware reality-bending creepypasta

>>715825826
>>715825745
Nintendo literally had an interview just the other day in which they said "Mario" fought the original Donkey Kong (Cranky). Nintendo and Miyamoto have reiterated several times over the years that Jumpman and Mario are one in the same.
https://www.nintendo.com/us/whatsnew/ask-the-developer-vol-19-donkey-kong-bananza-part-1/?srsltid=AfmBOoo0-NRwrVSc3jwTwZKeoNrPJOgdEq2DmhEs9wkVJdutpGZN1CmV
Gregg Mayles admitted that Cranky being the arcade DK was basically a last-minute throwaway remark in the instruction manual, which Rare only got away with because it was too late for Nintendo to object. From the way Miyamoto has talked about DK over the years, it’s quite clear that, as far as he’s concerned, there is only one Donkey Kong.

What you are posting as proof such as 8-bit DK or costumes referring to Lady/Arcade Pauline) are just that: references. There is only one Donkey Kong, Pauline, Mario, etc, and there always has been.

>>715826181
>Cranky is a hecking eldritch horror, self-aware reality-bending creepypasta
Or he's just senile and saying shit. https://youtu.be/tDZXUL8oDRc

>>715826021
i want the cool sectary in mario kart

>>715797137
Asshole

>>715826181
The latter, because the greater Mario universe is supposed to feel like a bunch of actors performing for you, and Cranky is just the kind of primo uomo who would spitefully go off script to refuse to acknowledge the retcon that made his character less important in the grand scheme of things.

>>715797013 (OP)
>Why are people trying to make sense of Mario "Lore"
Zoomers are obsessed with lore because they have no roots and the mystery of cultural folklore is gone from the modern world. Be assured that it is indeed a sign of yearning for what they lack.

>>715797013 (OP)

>accidentally ropes the Banjo, Conker, AND Star Fox games into the same universe as Mario & DK

>>715828434
What Star Fox character is in Diddy Kong Racing?

>>715828605
Tricky

>>715797013 (OP)
but did DK smash?

>>715825526
>Mario's last name is reconfirmed as Mario
>"Mario" is a name that is literally passed down
>Giussepe Mario
The only question that presents is why he wasn't at the family dinner. The answer? He had his own family to eat dinner with; a family that includes Pauline.

>>715829638
That also applies to Luigi and I don't see people saying that he was the protagonist in the original DK games.

>>715830057
That's because he didn't get involved until Mario's plumbing business, which had nothing to do with the construction crew in Donkey Kong or any of the other odd jobs. Heck, the Punch-Out references in the movie could also be from Giuseppe's days as a boxing ref, meaning that was also him instead of Mario. I'm sure other people have come up with this idea before and likely posted them ad nauseam, so excuse me if some details are off.

>>715828743
"Come with me!"

>>715830610
Luigi was in Wrecking Crew.

>>715797013 (OP)
Also how does mario bros (1983) fit into any of the proposed lore schemes?

>>715798447
But where does Dr. Mario take place?

>>715830817

>>715797137
GOT HIS ASS

>>715797013 (OP)
the MSheU destroyed peoples ability to just enjoy a piece of media with easter eggs
they have to make it connect to an overarching lore somehow and drive themselves mad doing it

>>715797013 (OP)
It's fun

>>715808787
no, he's a way for Martinet to give his blessing to Pratt to do the voice

>>715831009
>a way for Martinet to give his blessing to Pratt to do the voice
Oh anon...

>>715797137
keky

Why did Donkey Kong lust after Pauline and get heart eyes upon seeing her again in Mario vs. Donkey Kong? Is he a groomer?

What's the lore of pauline disappearing for so many games?

>>715828743
Yes

>>715828272
>Zoomers are obsessed with lore because they have no roots and the mystery of cultural folklore is gone from the modern world
Dumbfuck, millenials were obsessed with the Cranky shit first. Quit making it a generational thing. It's an autism thing.

>>715828743
Can someone post more of the interactions with her? She's friendly to the player later on and speaks to you this way? That's hot.

>>715826604
Who exactly is Cranky supposed to be. Just DK's senile grandpa Rare randomly added as a character?

>>715834191
Damn.

>>715797013 (OP)
Explain?

>>715798284
>ieieeidh
what the hell does that mean

>>715835109
Schizo headcanon trying to keep Cranky as the original DK by trying to suggest Mario/Pauline's bloodlines ALSO had grandparents in that situation and they also just happen to name every one of their children and children's children the same

>>715835596
Mario is already a surname, so it isn't that far-fetched

Are the bears natural enemies to the Kremlings?

I mean, the "lore" obviously doesn't matter, but how old are the kongs then? I thought cranky was older than mario because gorillas live less than humans lol.

>>715834850
When Rare made a Donkey Kong game, they wanted their Donkey Kong to be a new one, so they made him Donkey Kong Jr.'s son (and then didn't really use Donkey Kong Jr.), and then had the original Donkey Kong as "Cranky Kong".

That's just been the story since then and that was the 90s. It wasn't a great continuity.

>>715835949
Mario is referred by his forename, not his surname.

>>715797137
lmfao

>>715797916
>Mario has never taken it's lore seriously but it's also never retconned anything

Yes it has

>>715797137
I can't believe trolling is coming back into vogue

>>715836345
I bet bachelor bear and Funky hang out and slay bear and monkey puss.

>>715835109
Where's DK Jr.?

>>715797440
That was Rareware canon, not Nintendo canon. The flimsy idea that Cranky Kong was the guy who kidnapped Pauline was invalidated as soon as Yoshi's New Island came out and revealed Mario and Donkey Kong were the same age.

The cope that "apes and humans age differently!" never fucking made sense in a Nintendo game.

>>715837724
It has retconned things in the past but not anything in the last 20 years.

>>715797013 (OP)
what's the point of a story if it doesn't make sense?

>>715807229
>L-lady is a different chara-ACK

Nope. Pauline is Lady, this is well established lore.

God, I hate Rareniggers so much.

>>715838025
bowser's kids

>>715797013 (OP)
I don't get it either. Miyamoto couldn't care less about timelines or what is canon.

>>715797013 (OP)
still unbelievable mario left her.

>>715839416
that happened over 20 years ago, retard.

>>715839887
>Mario felt bad that Pauline made so much more than him as a professional singer compared to a construction worker, and coming from a conservative Catholic Italian background he felt he had to start his own successful plumbing business to provide for her, not the other way around. This of course lead to him messing around in pipes and finding the Mushroom Kingdom and the rest is history
>Pauline was starting her political career and Mario felt she was focused too much on such, preferring her to focus instead on their relationship and when her priorities became clear that New Donk City was her greater love Mario ended the relationship as not to hold her back
>OR same as above but Mario felt like a blue-collar boyfriend might damage Pauline's political image and broke it off for the sake of not causing any sorts of scandals

>>715840428
Counter: it's a fantasy world and mario went for a princess, someone even more noble.

>>715797137
i kneel

Is this still valid?

>>715797137
Gem

>>715843716
no

>>715797137
You have to be at least a zoomer to post here

>>715828354
If I made a loli Pauline I would definitely do a red herring like this to make people think its Marios kid

>>715832635
Shes running New Donk City and raising Pauline Jr alone since Mario is busy saving the world and simping for Peach

Mario had to break up with Pauline after learning they're both cousins
They had hot cousin sex tho

Here's my breakdown on the timeline stuff. Note I'm just having fun, feel free to disagree.
>According to the 8bit DK fossil, it's still implied Arcade DK is Cranky
>Diddy and Dixie mention going on adventures with DK in the past, as well as going on their own ones. This means the DKC trilogy happened prior to Bananza.
>K. Rool goes out of his way to mention he's back in action when he gets freed, so we can take this to imply that DKC Returns and Tropical Freeze also happened before Bananza. Let's throw in DK 64 as well since that was K. Rool's last mainline appearance.
>The two ending arts confirm Kid Pauline will become Mayor Pauline of New Donk City
>This sets Bananza definitively before Odyssey
>When Mario possesses Bowser at the end of Odyssey we see memories of Mario 1, 3, World, and 64, indicating those also take place before Odyssey.
>Because Mario and Pauline are approximately the same age, it can be inferred that Mario's adventures before Odyssey happened some time after Bananza since he was not a child in those games.
>With just the directly referenced games in mind, our timeline looks like this so far
>DKC 1 - DKC 2 - DKC 3 - Bananza - SMB 1 - SMB 3 - SMB 64 - SMB Odyssey
>The big source of confusion comes from where to put Donkey Kong Arcade, as its events are referenced in both Bananza and Odyssey. >Since Pauline is a child, Arcade would need to happen after Bananza, but wait, if the 8 Bit DK fossil implies Cranky Kong is Arcade DK, and Cranky is present in Bananza, then wouldn't that mean Arcade takes place before DKC 1?

Given Miyamoto's insistence on Mario being the same person in every game and Cranky being Arcade DK being treated usually as a cheeky joke, I'm going to go with Arcade taking place after Bananza. Pauline being younger and this game being a prequel to Odyssey feel like much more significant story intentions than Cranky being Arcade DK. They're both inherently contradictions, but one is much stronger than the other.

>>715797137
Why did this trigger everyone

>>715797137
Owned.

>>715851836
Bananza treats DK as being a teenager in this game too, which fits with the canon of him and Mario being the same age.

>>715797137
zozzle

>>715853024
I believe that this Pauline is Pauline III.

>>715797383
If they only brought the original lore back.

>>715830865
emplyment era

>>715851836
Well done, but:
>Pauline's age has never been confirmed. Mario could have faced Cranky at a young enough age where he could have facial hair.
>Newer games like Smash Ultimate now name "Lady" differently than Pauline
>In the last layer in DK Bananza, you can get "Lady"'s outfit for Pauline. This suggests she may be a separate character.
>Mario Odyssey mentions that she was kidnapped by an ape once, but this ape isn't necessarily confirmed to be DK and could be Void Co. (She also mentions that the experience helped shape her into the person she is today, which is what exactly happens in Bananza)
>DK in DK 94 is modern DK, but the original arcade game already happened before. The manual even says "He's BACK!!!" as if the incident occurred previously. Odyssey also references the original's art.
>DK Jr. Math, Game and Watch Gallery 1, and Mario Kart: Double Dash confirm the existence of multiple Donkey Kong Juniors. The one in 94 is not necessarily his son.

Cranky's backstory has not changed. Lady is now a thing and Pauline is just a separate, younger character.

>>715849524
https://www.nintendo.com/en-gb/Games/Game-Boy-Advance/Donkey-Kong-Country-266551.html

Candy and DK are cousins. Incest is canon within the DK lore.

>>715853181
no wait

>>715826604
>did you just prove me wrong?
>it doesn't frickin count it's just a reference!!!
Shut the fuck up, moron.

>>715797916

Mario is a culture hero, all of his adventures are mythical, and in that sense they all happened and they all equally didn’t happen

>>715830865

That’s when he’s pretending to be a gynaecologist

>>715853384
>The manual even says "He's BACK!!!"
The Japanese manual doesn't.

>>715834361
It's a generational thing, chuddy. Deal with it.

>>715797013 (OP)
Are these paid shills or something?
Why are people white knighting Bananza for being inconsistent bullshit? like sure it's "just a cartoon" but if lore and story don't matter, why is Bananza trying to present it's own to begin with? Would it have been so hard to just say this is Pauline's daughter or just make a new character?

Bringing in Kid Pauline randomly in the same game as Cranky Kong talking about fighting Mario is like bringing back Uncle Ben in a Spiderman movie after he died with no explanation. if Nintendo doesn't like keeping up with lore that's one thing but such a simple basic obvious easy thing to avoid shouldn't be a huge ask, everyone says "Mario lore is not that deep" and that's correct! which means it's even more bullshit they fucked up something so simple and easy, if it's not deep how is it so fucking hard for their own creator to follow?

>>715854756
literally no one but spergs care about nintendo lore
its the same tier as sonic retardation

>>715853384
>Mario Odyssey mentions that she was kidnapped by an ape once, but this ape isn't necessarily confirmed to be DK and could be Void Co. (She also mentions that the experience helped shape her into the person she is today, which is what exactly happens in Bananza)
NTA, but that’s ignoring that in that same piece of dialogue Pauline makes it a point that the kidnapping is something Mario would remember, not to mention she mentions in a separate conversation that she lost her purse during the event. Neither of those two points seem to apply to Bananza.

>>715854756
The only "lore" it contradicts is the Cranky thing, which has been ignored and contradicted for ages outside of random descriptions. As far as Nintendo is concerned, it's even simpler: Donkey Kong is Donkey Kong and nothing more. Nintendo, not their development partners or outsourcing studios who usually make DK games.

This fixes the timeline.

>>715854808
If you hate Nintendo stuff why are you even defending the fuckup?

And it's such a basic thing to not mess up yet they did, what's next, will Nintendo forget the Mario Brothers are related and have them start dating? is Bowser gonna be the son of Bowser Jr.? what's the point in going out of your way to justify a walking contradiction? Pauline's entire character is "retro legacy character saved by Mario" and Cranky's entire character is "Kong who kidnapped Pauline"
>>715855082
Yet they brought him back and literally have him talk about it

>>715834850
Yes.

>>715854959
The "I knew you'd remember" can mean that she just told Mario about the events of Bananza one time and that Mario remembers what she told him. She only mentions that she lost a purse on a terrible day without specifying when, so it can be completely unrelated to the arcade.

Anti-intellectualism is at an all time high, people are outright embracing stories that aren't coherent and shaming those who dare be capable of thought.

>if you're thinking, you're stupid.
>if you consume and don't question, you're smart.

So, were we playing as young Cranky Kong in this game, and the old Cranky Kong in this game is Cranky Kong the first?

>>715855635
Diddy and Dixie bring up DKC2 and saving DK so nope

>>715855635
No.
We are playing as DK the Third and Pauline the Third, who is a brand new Pauline.

>>715855704
Pauline the third... so Mario and Pauline fucked?

>>715855252
>Yet they brought him back and literally have him talk about it
Cranky's text about rivals in overalls is kept vague enough so that can make a fun little reference to the Rare lore without committing to it. Same thing with the "8-bit DK" fossil. Some things are just fun easter eggs and not meant to be taken seriously.

Easy fix. The DK '94 and Mario vs DK games aren't canon.

Cranky started working out after Bananza to kidnap Pauline to spite his useless faggot son

>>715837919
Rare canon is the only canon I care about.

>>715855776
Those are two completely different things, the statue contradicts nothing because it happened in the past when Cranky did it, it coulda been built after that

Cranky bringing up his past while a child Pauline is on your back is a reality breaking contradiction

>>715855769
Yes.

>>715851892
it's OC and we havent seen that since 2010

>>715855965
Does Peach know?

>>715837919
>>715797440
Honestly it doesn't even make sense in Nintendo canon. Nintendo wants you to believe that the DK we all know is a grown up DK JR., so this doesn't make sense for obvious reasons unless if Nintendo is trying to say that Jumpman and Lady actually weren't Mario and Pauline.

>>715855926
It's not since Nintendo treats DK as DK, they generally ignore the old Rare lore with the only series that brings it up being Smash Bros, and even that contradicts it at times.

>>715855252
>literally have him talk about it
>literally
No, that's not what happens. It's a bunch of vague references, but it's never outright stated. It has not been outright stated in any game for decades at this point. I'm being intentionally provocative here. I want specific examples to the contrary, evidence from the last 20+ years or so of a Nintendo game directly stating that Cranky Kong is the one that fought Mario. Because I really don't think they've committed to that bit since Rare left.

>>715856023
I think she is okay with it.

>>715851836
Wrote out a slightly more detailed headcanon timeline, it's schizo but I had fun. I didn't include a bunch of spin-offs like the sports titles and Dr. Mario. It gets less specific about the order of some games since some are the start of series that later entries could end up anywhere after their first game, since there's nothing chaining them to that specific point in the timeline. I could make an image later that shows where I feel these games would probably take place.
(1/?)
>Yoshi's Island - Yoshi's New Island - Yoshi's Island DS (The origin for Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, DK, and Wario. Mario and Bowser can time travel.)
>Yoshi's Story - Wooly World - Crafted World (Origin point of modern Yoshi and the following games continue the trend of Baby Bowser fucking with Yoshis by turning their land to arts and crafts)
>DKC 1 - 2 - 3 - 64 - Jungle Beat - Returns - Tropical Freeze - Bananza (The adventures of the DK crew and their battles against K. Rool, his absence, and then return. DK isn't an adult yet and I'm moving King of Swing and Jungle Climber to later for reasons.)
>DK Circus - DK Arcade - DK Jr. - DK 3 (Donkey Kong, Mario, and Pauline have grown up and DK now has a kid that shows up in Tennis 64 and then never again after that. Whether or not DK's kid is Candy's or some other Kong's is interpretable since DK Jr's mother has never been identified. Reason why DK kidnaps Pauline despite being friends is solely to fuck with Mario for laughing at him at the circus. This conflict gets way too out of hand and leads to the breakup between Mario and Pauline)
>Wrecking Crew - Mario Bros - SMB 1 - SMB 3 - RPG - World - 64 (Mario and Luigi work odd jobs and eventually go to the Mushroom Kingdom where Peach and Bowser are also grown up, they fight a bunch. RPG is before World since there's a small line of Kamek being surprised to see Mario again after the YI games.)

>>715851836
>>715856365
(2/?)
>DK 94 - Mario vs DK - March of the Minis - Minis March Again - Mini Land Mayhem - Minis on the Move - Tipping Stars (Mario gets a stage show with Pauline and DK about the kidnapping event in DK Arcade, DK, DK Jr, and Pauline visit the Mushroom Kingdom after this. The Mario vs Donkey Kong series is essentially about DK continually getting into scuffles with Mario over toy related shenanigans that involve Pauline and eventually she gets them to make up and stop fighting. Given the only characters who appear in these games are Mario, Toad, Peach, DK, and Pauline I feel comfortable placing them all fairly early into the timeline.)
>Super Mario Land Series - Wario Land Series - Wario World - WarioWare Series (Introduction of Daisy who becomes important down the line. Also I feel the Mario Land games should also be happening before the GameCube era, and given they lead to Wario's introduction I felt it would be relevant to also put down what I think the order of the Wario games are.)
>Luigi's Mansion - Sunshine - Super Star Saga - Partners in Time - Inside Story - Dream Team - Paper Mario Series - Paper Jam - Brothership - LM 2 - LM 3 (E. Gadd is the most important part of this whole section. He's introduced in LM 1 and then is referenced after in Sunshine. Both he, and Bowser Jr who is introduced in Sunshine, then go on to make appearances in the Mario & Luigi series. There's eventually M&L game that crosses over with Paper Mario, revealing those games are an in-universe series of books now come to life. Because the L&M titles are numbered sequentially in Japan, I've decided to place LM 2 and 3 after them. LM 2 and 3 could theoretically happen after any of the other games, but I believe they have to have happened at minimum after Super Star Saga because there's an upgraded Poltergust in that game, and E. Gadd moves to the number in LM 2. Also more time travel fuckery in both Partners in Time and the 3DS remake of LM 1)

>>715851836
>>715856365
>>715856407
(3/3)
>Diddy Kong Racing DS - King of Swing - Jungle Climber - Barrel Blast (Tiny Kong is older with a new design and King K. Rool is back to cause trouble again. I know I said I wasn't covering sports spinoffs, but I felt these two were specifically important for a couple of reasons. This is where a lot of the extended DK cast got their modern redesigns and it remained consistent throughout these titles.)
>New Super Mario Bros - NSMB Wii - NSMB 2 - NSMB U Deluxe - NSL U (The more modern adventures of Mario and Luigi, with the Koopalings returning and Bowser Jr making regular mainline appearances now. Also the introduction of the blue and yellow toads as well as Nabbit. Toadette also begins to join for various adventures.)
>Galaxy - Galaxy 2 (Rosalina is introduced and it causes the world to be reset. Could be used to explain any number of the location inconsistencies between various titles. Galaxy 2 is basically an in-universe retelling of Galaxy 1 by Rosalina to her Lumas. Doesn't seem like characters or memories were reset, just the world itself and any number of locations could've either been kept, altered, or replaced entirely. Also Captain Toad is introduced in Galaxy)
>3D Land - Captain Toad Treasure Tracker - 3D World - Bowser's Fury - Mario Maker 2 - Odyssey (Captain Toad goes on his own adventure after or during 3D Land where he and Toadette meet up with Mario and gang in 3D World. Bowser's Fury happens immediately after 3D world, and Mario Maker 2 is essentially Mario helping Toad with construction work where things are based on previous Mario games up to 3D World. Captain Toad also briefly visits New Donk City before the plot of Odyssey happens)
>Super Mario Wonder (The most recent game in the timeline where now Mario, Luigi, and Peach have been joined by 4 Yoshis, the blue and yellow Toads, Toadette, Daisy, and Nabbit. Captain Toad also shows up here.)

>>715856441
Only paid shills use reddit memes on other websites

>>715856023
Peach rejected Mario and Bowser at the end of odyssey

What if the Dark World is the timeline where Bowser succeeds and that's how Link finds chain chomps in alttp?

All right let me help you with this one it's a simple one

cranky Kong was never the original Donkey Kong he was basically a this ain't your grandpa's Donkey Kong like statement but a actual character now that we got that cleared up

It goes to Donkey Kong Country games plus returns and tropical Freeze and 64 then Donkey Kong Bonanza, then Donkey Kong the original then Donkey Kong 94 the game boy game then all of the Mario series before Odyssey then Mario versus Donkey Kong then Mario Odyssey.

>>715797137
this is actually a 2016 meme if any of you had working memory

>>715856570
That part was always cringe. I don't understand this era of girl boss and romance being mutually exclusive. Mario and Peach have been a thing since the late 80s, so why take that away?

>Void Kong's wish was infinite gold
Man, he really was nothing more than a little bitch. Infinite gold, really? What would he even do with it? It would be worthless.

>>715856705
I don't think it's girl boss thing it was more of Mario did it at the worst possible time hey let me propose to you right after you just been kidnapped while the kidnapper is still in the room with us right now

>>715856570
She says "enough," not "no." She was considering Mario's proposal before he got unnecessarily competitive with Bowser. She's not a prize to be won so she told them to stop their little game. Why do people keep misinterpreting what happens? Because of Mario and Bowser's silly little reconciling afterward?

>>715856705
Because this is all one long story that will come full circle.

>>715856849
Because of this, picrel.

>>715853113
So Pauline 2 go yes kidnapped by two different djs
Didn't some Nintendo guy say Pauline was marios ex

>>715856998
Yes.

>>715856972
>Pauline is Mario's ex
>Peach and Mario aren't actually a thing (yet)
Yeah? And? You really think Mario is the kind of person to leave Pauline a single mother?

There is no Pauline 2 and Lady isn't an actual character that's just what they called her before they came up with her name being Pauline why are Nintendo fans making this complicated

>>715857203
Bananza is making this complicated, the timeline was mostly fine until this revelation

>>715855926
You know what he didn't say I kidnapped Pauline or I kidnap lady cranky could have literally been talking about anything or he could have been fucking lying to 1 up his grandson you know fictional characters can lie

>>715857159
He did not.
He left Pauline and chased after Peach.
Then, after Peach friendzones him in Odyssey, he goes back to Pauline and starts his Mario Toy Company, and then they conceive Pauline III, who meets DK III 13 years later.

>>715853581
Just found this text from Cranky during my Bananza playthrough. What are the lore implications here?

>>715857320
No this is really simple only an over glorified fan theory that was never 100% confirmed and to be quite honest didn't make any fucking sense to begin is complicating this

>>715797385
But that was Mario's pet and he kidnapped her because she was mario's bitch just to fuck with Mario according to Miyamoto. And right after that, Mario wandered into the Mushroom Kingdom.

>>715857378
You really think that fan fiction makes more sense than Cranky Kong not literally being a character from an arcade game as a metaphor for how outdated 8bit graphics were compared to the hip and cool prerendered 3D graphics of the SNES?

>>715857203
Because DK is a grown up DK JR. and Pauline was a grown up when DK JR. was a baby.

>>715801931
That's horse shit. Fuck your kike ill-jew-mination feminist movie.

>>715857660
Is that you, Eric?

>>715857320
Rare's Cranky lore never worked with the modern game timeline due to Yoshi's Island DS or the Mario Vs DK games. The DK games are prequels to DK '94, which takes place before the Super Mario games. It's really that simple.

>>715857602
DK has always been and will always be DK DK is not grown up Dk Junior those are two separate characters

>>715857417
Wait a second here...

>>715857701
>Yoshi's island lore never worked with the modern game timeline
Ftfy

This whole thread can be summed up in why isn't Nintendo confirming my headcanon? please help!

>>715857707

>>715830814
Not to mention Mario Bros takes place after Donkey Kong according to the instruction manual and features Mario and Luigi.

https://nintendo.fandom.com/wiki/Mario_Bros._(Game_%26_Watch)

>>715857814
I choose to believe that this interview was "localized" until I see a Japanese source that says the same thing. Not necessarily the same interview, but anything regarding Mario's Brooklyn origins in a source meant for Japan (and not about the movie).

Cranky is starting to scare me guys.

>>715857934
I'm sorry is there a Donkey Kong Jr in Mario Kart World? is there a Donkey Kong in the original Mario Kart? no so this is them just putting the closest thing they got to complete this little photo

>>715830057
>>715830057
>>715830610
The Mario who fought DK and saved Pauline has a brother Luigi.

>>715857980
Even the games imply Mario came from a separate world originally. Mario Bros. Arcade with Mario and Luigi first discovering enemies from the Mushroom Kingdom, Super Mario Bros. having references to Alice in Wonderland where both of the protagonists enter the world through a portal, Donkey Kong 94 having you be in the city before you eventually move to the Mushroom Kingdom, even Mario Odyssey with it using "real" humans in New Donkey City to show how detached it is from the other places. Even the Japanese Mario Bros. movie treats the story as an isekai, with the warp pipe again being a portal from the "real" world to the Mushroom Kingdom. Yoshi's Island was always an outlier that never made sense.

>>715838174
The 'that's her grandma' fags are collectively BTFO.

>Zebra sounds like scatman.

>>715858312
Brooklyn. Where do they say he's from New York?

>>715843716
Of course. More valid than some kike movie that portrays Peach as Mario's master.

This lore runs deep. I'm in awe.

>>715858431
Implied through Donkey Kong 94 and Mario Odyssey. Saying that Brooklyn Mario only exists through NoA is a cope.

>>715855458
>She only mentions that she lost a purse on a terrible day without specifying when
Pauline mentions having lost the purse on “that” terrible day and uses the exact same phrase “a long time ago” to describe both the kidnapping and the loss of the purse. All of that dialogue also takes place within the same mission of the game, so the two events being linked is pretty self-explanatory.

>>715837919
Baby Donkey Kong is JR who is modern DOnkey Kong

>>715858601
Pauline's mother could have given that purse to her.

>>715858525
>implied
You're the one coping. Give me a source. I'm not saying the only alternative to Brooklyn, New York is the Mushroom Kingdom, but you can't say it's specifically Brooklyn even in Japan if they never once say it's Brooklyn (outside of the movie, which is American-made and thus localized in reverse).

>>715843716
That's just the Saturday Supercade Pauline.

>>715857417
No way that's really in the game.

>>715858668
I have you a source through the Mario creator's mouth, and you said it didn't't count. You're the one coping here.

>>715797013 (OP)
Invites it by reusing a minor character as a child rather than inventing a new one. They get their free advertising synergy and we get more play out of a toy.

All autisic timeline fags should be genocided

>>715858517
HE

>>715797013 (OP)
These "people" you speak of are all activists that want to turn video games into movies in order for the medium to be seriously by famous Hollywood actors and critics. Earning the respect of those that host human trafficking and pedophile rings is a very big deal to those that want the video game mediumto evolve.

>>715858802
We have already chosen our beautiful new era.

>>715853384
>Lady is now a thing and Pauline is just a separate, younger character.

This is explicitly WRONG and Pauline has been confirmed to be Lady by official sources multiple times.

>>715858763
>through the Mario creator's mouth
via a translator for a western publication. I wanted a direct Japanese source.

>>715858846
Dude, shut up.

>>715858896
Okay, then explain how Diddy and Dixie remember the events of DKC when those take place after the Arcade game.

>>715858896
Lady is Lady Pauline in full. Bananza Pauline references her as Grandma.

>>715858846
You mean you've been blown the fuck out by Bananza and are wallowing in cope and schizoid charts

>>715825526
Who is "Little Mario"?

>>715858979
Is there a screenshot of this?

>>715858997
Mario, because he's a manlet.

>>715859053
have you played the game? Pauline mentions Grandma at least twice in the game.

>>715858979
Wrong!
>>715838174
>Waaay back in 1981, a new action game using barrels and girders hit arcades. That game was Donkey Kong, in which MARIO had to rescue PAULINE from the title character. Maybe she wanted to look less like Princess Peach—she changed her look in the Game Boy version.

>One fine day in 198, the world was introduced to a new action-packed arcade game - Donkey Kong! But back then, the girl Mario was trying to rescue from Donkey Kong wasn't Peach - it was Pauline. Also did you know that in Japan, Pauline was originally just called "Lady"?

so the only real confusion is how is pauline a child right? is that not just her being transformed by magic?

>>715858974
Because they do not take place after the arcade game.

>>715859080
No, I am not going to buy any video game for $70. I'm waiting for a third party seller.

>>715859129
refer to this anon >>715853113 he gets it

>>715859175
Ah, but they do. The apes know about Mario.

It's funny that they all just name their kids after themselves everytime for at least like 3 generations

>>715859218
>shitzoid charts written by a mong
or
>Nintendo lore written in Nintendo games

HMMM which one is more authoritative? I think I'll go with Nintendo

>>715859262
Why do you resort to insults?

>>715859227
Donkey Kong Country is rareware. Its is not canon.

>>715859053
Nope, because that anon is full of shit. Pauline has a grandma she lives with in New Donk, but said grandma is never given a name nor tied to the arcade game's events.

>>715859180
then you'll just have to skim through every line of dialogue in the game on youtube. I remember one of them was during those getaway rest moments of dialogue between DK and Pauline. there's a fuckton though, so prepare.

>>715859323
Then the Rareware characters aren't canon... oh wait

>>715859302
Because you keep ignoring canon facts to loudly push your fanfiction.

>>715858431
>>715858668
What other American cities are known for giant monkeys climbing tall buildings besides New York?

>>715859262
>Nintendo lore
none of this shit is official. Nintendo doesn't give a scrap of fuck about tying every game into consistency. so if you want to make sense of things, that's the best way to do it. it's not that hard to understand the concept of generations, anon.

>>715821508
This pic encapsulates DK to me, big angry ape punches crocodile while the sidekick cheer him on.

And bananas everywhere.

>>715859415
Fanfiction like Yoshi's island? I agree

>>715797013 (OP)
That's a low-iq way to say timeline, dumbfuck.

>>715797383

>>715859368
Wrong! Rarwware games are thrid party and not canon, but that still allows Nintendo to pick at the gameà la carte and keep what it wants. It will still retcon things like Rambi being a species instead of a character.

>>715856849
It was just a horribly directed scene.

>>715797013 (OP)
It is inherent for humans to try to understand things.

>>715859434
Nope. Shut the fuck up fag. Nintendo lore is written down and events of Nintendo games.

Fuck off with your gay fanfiction cope where you invent a million relatives for Mario, Pauline and Donkey Kong in order to avoid the simple fact that Donkey Kong stars Donkey Kong.

>>715806332
I wonder what the Nintendo 94 was like.

>>715859495
>official Nintendo games are fanfiction

I mean what else would I expect you to say.

If we are to go by Nintendo lore, then DK should be 14 in this game but he's clearly a grown ape. In that case, Donkey Kong and the rest of his friends should be old by the time Pauline is in her mid 30s like we usually see, but he's still young.

>>715859604
all that post is doing is presenting to you what Nintendo has presented to us in their games. you absolute dumb toddler faggot.

>>715797137
Why are u mad?

>>715857814
>>715859495
Explain how yoshi's island can't fit into the timeline

>>715859694
Mario is Italian.

>>715859691
No, it isn't hasn't. It presents the insane fanfiction of an autistic retard with too much time on their hands who actively ignores official Nintendo lore to push their agenda.

Its not even creative, so it deserves a big fuck off.

>>715859791
>This thing that makes sense of the chaos contradicts the lore that contradicts itself with every other game and deserves a fuck off
Yeah, no.

>>715859690
Why should DK be 14 in this game?

>>715859925
He's the same age as Mario, who is the same age as Pauline.

>>715859906
>I'm going to invent endless unseen, un-implied, non-existent relatives for the main characters, give them all a retarded unnatural naming scheme, and I'm going to obsessively post this "game theory" and say it is canon despite Nintendo lore actively disproving this

>why are people annoyed at little old me???

T. Worlds most average Game Theorist

>>715859971
Where has it been said that Mario is the same age as Pauline?

>>715855898
Same. They were the only ones who put an ounce of thought into it.

>>715860128
Well, unless if you wanna argue that Mario is like 15 years older than Pauline when it's clear that she's in her mid 30's...

>>715797137
fpbp

>>715860084
Giving your child the same name as you isn't unnatural, this is the franchise that has characters like Donkey kong jr and Bowser jr after all

>>715860084
Relatives that were made under Miyamoto 's supervision when they were originally planned before the movie was in production.

>>715797137

>>715860520
ngl, it's kind of eerie how similar the framing is to your drawing

>>715854959
>Pauline makes it a point that the kidnapping is something Mario would remember
If Jumpman and Lady became a couple after the arcade DK game, maybe it means Pauline and Mario are cousins. Mario would know what happened to Pauline during the events of Bananza if they have been interacting since they were little.

>>715797440
Cranky being the original dk was always lame as fuck. I've always hated it. Why take your iconic and historically significant character and reduce him to a shriveled up side character? It always felt like a dumb joke and nothing more. Neither rare nor nintendo ever cared about your lorefaggotry.

>>715860772
This level of hoop jumping is nothing but pure autism. You are braindead retarded if you think anyone at nintendo cares this much about mario canon.

>>715799258
It's because they're trying to expand their IP into multimedia with shows and movies, but they don't know what the fuck they're doing since they never gave a genuine damn about story and lore in the past. So now they're in this confusing period where they're retconning shit or throwing things out to make it more suitable for said mediums.

>>715810246
>I used to just go into that theory too given the lifespans of gorillas are much shorter compared to humans
how have people latched on to this and not had anyone point out they're being statistical idiots
gorillas average a lower lifespan on the wild because it's the wild, humans would also average that age if living like wild gorillas
and sure enough, once gorillas are in zoos they suddenly live more and more on average
it's averages, it's like the people going "cows are more aggressive than sharks because they injure more people" and not understanding the actual fact

Cranky... why?

I can understand people at Nintendo and some fans not liking Cranky being stated to be the original DK, but I also say just accepting Rare's DK as being the same character that Miyamoto originally came up with, is also disingenuous. If they didnt want an outside company making up lore for one of their own franchises and characterizations, they should have stepped in more or just made the game themselves. Remember, Nintendo did have a Super Donkey game in the works on the SNES, so they had a chance to revive the franchise in their own way, but as soon as they handed over the reigns to Rare, they basically lost the right to any claims of creative ownership to the stuff those guys made. Outside of being an ape and named Donkey Kong, Rare came up with the appearance, the characterization, the world, the friends, the foes, 99% of the DNA of what the IP was known for, with 1% being some throwback references to the arcade games. Donkey Kong on GameBoy is the last time we saw Nintendo take a stab at the IP, completely divorced from anything Rare had a hand in, and after that they decided to not bother doing anything else. If Rare said Cranky was the original DK and Nintendo or Miyamoto did nothing to stop that, well thats just the lore then and it anything that comes after is simply a retcon. Nintendo DK and Rare DK were essentially completely different franchises, they didnt even play the same way, so I always kind felt it dumb to even lump them together, kinda like saying Super Mario Bros and the Mario & Luigi games are not separate creative identities from different developers. Bananza might as well just be a complete reboot, taking ideas from both Nintendo and Rare visions.

>>715807229
>posting 3rd party guides

>>715860843
If they didn't care they wouldn't reference old stuff

>>715824969
>If DK got a Cranky outfit, or Mario a Jumpman outift
the thing that didn't happen? that's your gotcha?

>>715799570
The Zelda timeline made perfect, logical sense until Aonuma fucked everything up with The Wind Waker.

>>715847608
younger generations wouldn't even remember this you retard

>>715860772
>maybe it means Pauline and Mario are cousins
Japan doesn't see cousins as incest, so..

Some of you faggots forget that nintendo completely retconned the koopalings into not being bowser's kids too. This is not at all surprising. Early installment weirdness is a real thing and sometimes you have to just let go of an old plotline with long running franchises. Especially with a franchise that doesn't take its lore very seriously.

>>715834850
A joke about DKC being so technologically advanced compared to the original game

>>715860982
Nostalgia baiting and and adhering to early "lore" is not the same thing at all you dumb fucking retard.

>>715849675
Are my hormones making me imagine things or does she have a massive camel-toe there?

>>715826604
IDK why Miyamoto would even want to accept Rare DK as the same as his own, when the characterization is completely different then his own vision. Does he also consider all of the Links to be the same character, even the ones he didnt create the games for?

>>715855926
hey so, if you're still here, I'm just genuinely curious what one of you guys who insist on reading things super literally and never letting them go makes of the fact it's fossils

like, fossils take millions of years to make. if we're to take the in-game writing always as literally as possible and never understand things are 4th wall breaking jokes, how do all these fossils exist in bananza of things that were in dkc?

>>715861091
>Those events didn't happened they were just nostalgia baiting
>What Miyamoto says about Mario being from Brooklyn doesn't matter! Please ignore the other stuff that references Brooklyn that he was directly involved in
You're just being disingenuous at this point.

>>715861343
A wizpig did it.

Cranky has dementia, his ramblings can be ignored now.
>Yoshi Island games
>DKC1-3, 64, spinoffs, Returns games, and Bananza
>DK fugs Candy, Jr is born
>A King Kong misunderstanding resulting in DK kidnapping Pauline
>Mario locks DK up, Jr saves him
>DK is never the same again, his only desire is fucking with Mario now
>DK3, 94, Mario vs DK series
>DK gets caught offscreen, breaks out, tries and fails to kill Mario in SMRPG
>DK ends up fighting Lil Mac, dies from being knocked out too hard
>Comes back to life as a skeleton to fuck with Mario one last time in M&L SSS

>>715860927
>If they didnt want an outside company making up lore for one of their own franchises and characterizations, they should have stepped in more or just made the game themselves.
Nintendo failed to stop a lot of western slop in the 80s/90s. Look at their first live action Mario movie.

>as soon as they handed over the reigns to Rare, they basically lost the right to any claims of creative ownership to the stuff those guys made.
No, that's not legally or morally true. Nintendo literally owns the right to all claims regarding Donkey Kong, they even got the rights to Krunch from Diddy Kong racing because Rare called him a Kremling in the manual, and the right to all Kremlings belong to Nintendo - unlike Banjo or Timber Tiger which Rare still has the rights to.

> Donkey Kong on GameBoy is the last time we saw Nintendo take a stab at the IP, and after that they decided to not bother doing anything else.
Donkey Kong Gameboy was released alllll the way back in June 1994, totally forgotten franchise by the time the first DKC game came out in uh, November 1994. That's like five month, forgotten IP.

>Rare said Cranky was the original DK and Nintendo or Miyamoto did nothing to stop that, well thats just the lore then and it anything that comes after is simply a retcon.
No. What you're describing is Rare MAKING a retcon, and Miyamoto coming in after and undoing a retcon.

>>715860884
CON ESTA ROLA TE TOCO LA COLA

>>715860339
nothing ever states the amount of time between bananza and dk arcade or odyssey, stop considering headcanon real

>>715826604
Why would they say this in the interview when the game contradicts what they are saying?

>>715861542
because it doesn't
simple as

>>715856684
Finally, somebody said it.

>>715860339
In Bananza Donkey Kong (and in turn Mario) would presumably be about 16 ~ 17 years old.

This makes sense that Donkey Kong is psychically at his peak and visibly grown up, while Pauline is canonically stated to be 13 and not yet hit puberty.

Adult Pauline is not in her mid thirties, she's in her early 20s.

>>715861568
Oh okay... so here we have a case of Pauline aging while Cranky and DK are aging in the reverse

>>715825826
It really is weird how much this game seems to directly contradict itself. The "Jumpman and Lady are different characters" schizo theory is clearly not Nintendo's perspective, so it's kind of weird how little sense this game actually makes. If they just completely retconned cranky it would make sense, but there's enough jokes and references to Cranky being the original DK still. Maybe Cranky supposed to just be a meta character who represents old school fags and we're all just looking into it way too muc

They're just video games.

Rare vaguely established, and now Nintendo continue to imply that Cranky is the star of the original DK (but the various versions, sequels and spinoffs are just video games, there is no real plot) and this one is in DKC, 64 and this, basically any game with Cranky in it.

There's no real lore, just the grandpa was in the old arcade games, current DK is in the newer ones. Pauline is just a character referencing the one from the Arcade, but is a character in the current ones.

>>715861687
DK '94 takes place after Bananza, with the Mario vs DK series following soon after. DK and Pauline are adults now, with DK having a son and Pauline dating Mario.

PAULINE IS A VERY COMMON NAME FOR GIRLS! HAVE A ROTTEN DAY

>>715861687
nothing in bananza says that's cranky
there's jokes, that even if you want to take literally, simply indicate he fought a guy in overalls and that the original dk had descendants, which we see in donkey kong II and even in the game you're posting
simple as
there's literally nothing in the text that says anything that contradicts "donkey kong is donkey kong is donkey kong is donkey kong"

>>715861357
>Those events didn't happened they were just nostalgia
I didn't say that. The shit you even talking about?

>>715861454
You are not understanding what I typed. DKC is essentially a completly seperate franchise from anything Nintendo themselves made with their DK series. Yes, Nintendo owns the rights, but creatively, they had very little on-hand activity with its development or direction. Its not Nintendo or Miyamoto's vision or DNA pressed into those games, its the developers at Rare. It's not really something born internally of Nintendo devs, in the same way Kirby and Pokemon are not. GameBoy Donkey Kong IS Nintendo's attempt to keep their own vision for DK alive and in the public mind and it was their last stab at it. After that, the Rare version of the franchise is what became the most globally identified face of the character and its elements. Rare didn't make a retcon, because as far as their version of the franchise was concerned, that was the plot. If Nintendo takes the Rare characters and changes, they are changing the plot from what the developers intended. Nintendo could have just continued to make their own DK games and completely ignore anything Rare did with their games, but in the end, the Rare version became the one identity of Donkey Kong and Cranky being the old arcade character became accepted, established lore. They can change it if they want now, but its absolutely a retcon if Nintendo keeps using the other characters and setting Rare came up with.

>>715861428
This anon has schizophrenia. Xis ramblings can be ignored now.

>>715861723
>Maybe Cranky supposed to just be a meta character who represents old school fags and we're all just looking into it way too muc
yes
I'm so genuinely desperately hoping you people start realising this

All of this could have been kept simple if Pauline had just been magically de-aged or VoidCo shrunk adult Pauline.

>>715861793
So Cranky never fought with Mario. A contradiction.

This does fuck with my Autism.

>>715861974
all of this IS simple and the notion of the famous nintendo character donkey kong not being the famous nintendo character donkey kong is what always confused things
except I don't even blame rare for it, they were just doing a goofy joke like they loved to, I blame their autistic fans for not being able to get when a joke is a joke

Arcade games and Mario Vs Donkey Kong - The insane ramblings of a senile old man. Pauline and Mario are in them because his fractured brain inserted them in. None of it actually happened, other than its setting possibly being New Donk from Odyssey but nothing he says can be taken seriously.

DKC series - DK64 - Bananza - The Mainline Mario Series - Odyssey.

>>715861039
>Especially with a franchise that doesn't take its lore very seriously.

The problem si that after Odessy, they seem to be taking it more seriously, but raise MORE questions than answers.

1. What is the connection of New Donk City and the Kongs? Who is named after who?
2. Bananza seems to give a prequel backstory to Pauline, which we alerady had backstory to, and seems to erase the arcade game.
3. All the DK games take the arcade game as a real thing that happened in the past. This is up for grabs now. Are DK arcade events in the future?
4. Who is who? Lady and Jumpman are the grand-parents? Is little Pauline the same as Mayor Pauline? Is Pauline the daughter? is DK the original arcade DK? Who is Cranky?

The most basic shit of "is Pauline a lady who was kidnapped by DK?" is not answered, as this event has apparently NOT taken place in this current timeline.

Is DK DK or someone else? Are there three of these things? All hazy and unsure. Is DK Jr a new character or someone else?

>>715861976
Post a screenshot of Cranky saying he fought Mario then. Because a vague meta reference to rivals in overalls isn't the contradiction you're making it out to be.

>>715862115
>Nintendo literally had an interview just the other day in which they said "Mario" fought the original Donkey Kong (Cranky).

It goes like this,
>Yoshi Island DS
>Game and Watch Donkey Kong Circus
>Game and Watch Donkey Kong Hockey.
>Arcade Donkey Kong
>Donkey Kong Jr.
>Donkey Kong III while Mario was off fighting Shellcreepers and Fighter Flies.
>DK Jr. Math, pink DK Jr. dies.
>Mario Kart
>Donkey Kong 94
>Original DK ages into Cranky.
>Great Ape War.
>DK Jr goes missing
>DKC
>DKC2
>DKC3
>Mario invites the current DK to parties, kart races, smash, golf, tennis
>some timemachine fuckery allows Baby Mario and a young DK jr play tennis
>DK64
>Young DK Jr is mashed into a Nintendo E-Card (last we see of him)
>Donkey Conga 1 and 2 (K.Rool's last mainline appearance.)
>King of Swing and Jungle Beat
>DK revives his rivalry with Mario
>Mario vs DK series
>DKCReturns
>DK Tropical Freeze
>Bananza, some time machine fuckery sends a young Pauline to the present day (fairly common in Nintendo games at this point, all the babies in Mario Kart and sport spinoffs, Mario and Luigi teaming up with their baby counterparts in that one game)
There, that's the timeline.

>>715862095
Jesus fuck you are taking this way to seirously.

>What is the connection of New Donk City and the Kongs? Who is named after who?
It's literally just because it's funny. It's just light hearted references that aren't meant to be taken seriously.

>All the DK games take the arcade game as a real thing that happened in the past. This is up for grabs now. Are DK arcade events in the future
Rare were very cheeky and loved making meta jokes. I really don't think any of their meta commentary was ever supposed to be taken all that seriously. Jesus, lighten up a little.

>manbabies fighting over dk ""lore"" as if it's gospel

>Young Pauline is the daughter of Lil Mac and some literal who, named after the Mayor of New Donk City.

>>715862260
This reminds me, I have a theory that Pauline became a pirate and called herself Captain Syrup.

>>715861974
For the last time Anon, we do not share your shrinking/de-ageing fetish

>>715862208
Where did they actually say this? I don't see them mentioning cranky anywhere in that interview.

>>715862251
>It's just silly references! Don't take it seriously!
Your strange headcanon has nothing to do with reality.

>>715862208
https://www.nintendo.com/us/whatsnew/ask-the-developer-vol-19-donkey-kong-bananza-part-1/
You mean this one? Because I hate to break this to you, but Cranky isn't mentioned anywhere in this.

>>715862346
Because he wasn't Cranky yet, nitwit.

>>715862095
Pauline is Pauline. Lady is Pauline. Mayor Pauline is Pauline. "little" Pauline is Pauline.

Its all the same damn woman.

>>715862095
It genuinely does not cause any of these problems unless you insist on asking stupid questions. It's like saying Luigi's Mansion causes problems because it doesn't establish Luigi doesn't transform into Optimus Prime in his free time. Yes, if you ask stupid irrelevant questions that the game doesn't need to ask, you're not going to get answers!

1. Donkey Kong has now learned about New Donk City. The city is not named after him, it just happens to be named Donk. It was never named "Donkey Kong City", it just had a name that's clearly a reference IRL but doesn't mean anything in-game.
2. Bananza gives a backstory to Pauline, whom we didn't have any backstory before DK Arcade, and doesn't erase the arcade game- that's you deciding it does.
3. All the DKC games also take the fact the characters aren't real as a fact. This is not DKC, it's a different type of story.
4. There is no Lady, there is no Jumpman. It's Pauline and Mario, as stated multiple times. Nintendo might refer to her as Lady to indicate her early design, as an IRL reference, but it's the same character. There is no daughter, that's something you're making up and then being confused doesn't get addressed. Pauline has a grandmother- hey, so do you! DK is the original arcade DK, as indicated by the fact HE IS DK. Cranky is his grandfather, who fought some rando in overalls as a joke that we IRL get but that means nothing in-universe.

>>715862390
Nice fanfic. But we know for a fact Pauline became a pirate and fucked with Wario.

>>715862340
>Take seriously the stories where Diddy states he wants to be a good videogame hero or Cranky states he got the Kremlings to invade again but on the Game Boy this time!
Anon, not only are you not matching the reality of reality itself, you're not even matching the reality of the games you're supposedly relating to.

>>715862251
>Rare were very cheeky and loved making meta jokes. I really don't think any of their meta commentary was ever supposed to be taken all that seriously. Jesus, lighten up a little.

It has nothing to do with Rare, it's Bonanza and Odyssey.

They introduce New Donk City, most people are going to make the connection, seeing it's the place where the DK game takes place, and then Pauline is thrust front and center, so we go "okay, she ended up as the mayor".

In Bananza, she's a child, and when she's grown up, as mayor she says she had a horrible experience with a gorilla. The only one we have seen now is Void Kong in Bananza.

This just as easily could mean that the DK arcade events haven't happened, and actually take place later, and may be experienced in a modernized remake.

>>715862340
>Your strange headcanon has nothing to do with reality.
Do you genuinely think when nintendo made those street names they envisioned the people of new donk city taking a look at the events happening in an obscure jungle and naming everything after them? You are genuinely retarded and need help. You have zero idea how the mimds at nintendo work. Nintendo naming everything after donkey kong references was NEVER intended to be lore related at all. Good lord you are helpless. Lorefags are a cancer on the industry

>>715862308
more likely that syrup is pauline's sister imo

>>715797013 (OP)
The Bananza devs literally told us to think deeply about the ages.

>>715862361
>t-t-t-they were talking about Cranky Kong fighting Mario!!! H-h-he just wasn't called Cranky yet!!

Give it up man. Donkey Kong is Donkey Kong.

>>715858997
He's related to Little Mac from Punch-Out.

>>715862494
Yes, they hoped you'd go "hmm, this is Pauline as a kid. This means this game happens before the games where Pauline is an adult". And then instead a bunch of people went "uh this means Pauline III"

>>715862514
'cept you're wrong. Nitwit. Donkey is a title, passed down. There's been three DKs.
>DK (Arcade - 94), became Cranky.
>DK Jr (missing currently.)
>Donkey Kong, (DKC1 to Now)

>>715862361
Bud, you're literally hurting your case here if Nintendo is calling DK in the arcades games just DK, and not bringing up Cranky. It's almost as if they don't consider it canon and that DK is simply DK?

>>715862514
Donkey Kong is Donkey Kong, and so his is father, Donkey Kong, and his father's father, Donkey Kong (nicknamed Cranky)

>>715862361
YOU'RE the faggot claiming that nintendo confirmed in an interview that cranky was the original dk. All you're doing is begging the question you delusional retard

>DK CAN'T BE CRANKY REEEEEEEEE
Getting old makes you cranky. Hence his name.

>>715862610

>>715862572
No, that's been debunked.

The established canon is Cranky Kong is a senile old guy.
Donkey Kong is Donkey Kong.
And DK Jr is offscreen or retconed, whichever you prefer.

DK Jr just not being on camera or in plots doesn't mean he is erased, you understand object permanence right?

>>715862308
I will lose my shit if Captain Syrup is next on the reboot block. For crying out loud Wario World was fun.

>>715862703
The last we see of DK Jr. is him getting fucking pulverized into an E-Reader Card. He's dead.

>>715862624
Sorry, that's not canon.

It's genuinely hilarious to me how attached this guy is to the idea that cranky is the arcade dk. It's hilarious how much this means to him

>Bananza ends with a heartwarming friendship between Pauline and DK
>Decades later, kidnaps and molests her

>>715862703
>no, that's been de-
Your fanfiction doesn't do shit.
Cranky was DK, got old, became cranky as a result, hence his name. His wife dies, he becomes even more cranky. Spends his time at Swanky's Bonanza Mini Game Tent to sooth the pain, started messing with chemistry.
All the while, he keeps saying he was the original Donkey Kong.
>HE'S SENILE
Senile Old Men don't fucking make LIFE ALTERING POTIONS IN THEIR LABS, you fucking RETARD.

>>715797013 (OP)
Because Odyssey included New Donk City, so Nintendo obviously cares.

>>715862658
We get the joke. That's all the Cranky "lore" ever was, one big meta joke. A joke that Nintendo does not consider canon to their games anymore.

>>715862541
that's just your personal theory

>>715862786
Have you seen the way pauline talks to dk in this game? Can you blame the guy for getting the wrong idea and thinking Mario was trying to steal her from him?

>>715862786
To be fair, DK only kidnapped her in Mario vs DK because she and Mario shat all over his miniDK toy. They became friends by the end of it, and remained friends until the mini's went fucking mental.

Pauline is actually teenage Mario in drag.

>>715862817
>R-RARE ONLY
says it in Swing, Bongo Blast, Returns, Tropical Freeze, and Bananza. All with out Rare's involvement. You dumb NIGGER.

>people actually considering Artoon-ass Yoshi's Island DS for anything
Mario Golf of all things has more credence than YIDS.

>>715862838
which is the most likely "just a personal theory"
the one that says "literally nearly everything that was stated in all these games is as stated, except for one joke that used to be treated as both a joke and canon, and now is just a joke"
or the one that says "because of the one joke, we're imagining a legion of characters existing off-screen and also that this story in this game that goes out of its way to reference and show it knows the story of other games somehow just has a mistake they didn't notice despite being a core of its plot"

>>715862610
I wish the Mario/Wario dynamic had stuck around. I like the idea that Mario has someone who fucks with him and only him, and that Mario is more tolerant of a genuine villain than he is of a petty nuisance.

>>715862891
Lol, someones mad. Why don't you show us where it says Cranky is arcade DK in the Retro Studio games? Oh wait, you can't because they don't say that anywhere!

>>715862803
>Senile Old Men don't fucking make LIFE ALTERING POTIONS IN THEIR LABS, you fucking RETARD.

Actually they do. That's a trope well established in media.

>>715862981
How dare you call Farnsworth senile...

>>715862308
Captain Syrup comes back and is reintroduced as Pauline's Wa-variant who sings pirate shanties and is as money grubbing as Wario. Thoughts?

>>715862817
You're retarded Anon. Otacon would not give Snake disinfo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89pLdtgI4DM

>>715862891
>and Bananza
show where it says that
because you're lying, you know

>>715859690
There's a few things to consider, though. Gorillas reach full maturity at around age 10, so if Kongs are the same, it still lines up. We also don't know what the age difference is between Mario and Pauline, so they may not necessarily be the same exact age and there's at least a few years of wiggle room there.

>>715863096
>the Arcade DK fossil
>When you first meet Cranky
Play the game, nigga.

>>715863163
>Arcade DK fossil
Nigga that's a fossil. How can that be cranky if he's still alive?

>>715863163
No, YOU play the game and tell me where it says either "Cranky fought Mario" or "the original DK was Cranky". Show me directly where it says either of those things. I know the two things you mention don't actually say "Cranky fought Mario", but you want to pretend they do- so show me.

>>715863214
Gee, I wish statues of worshipped idols existed that we could dig up.

>>715862572
Cranky is old when she's a kid, it's impossible for him to be arcade DK now.

>>715863239
Bet you're just mad you got banned from the DKWiki.

>>715862696
What a disrespectful son, calling his dad by name.

>>715863319
>can't actually say anything
Anon, at least try. Don't just immediately go "well, I am a retard and can't back up what I said"

>>715863260
No, pottery cannot be a fossil. Fossils are the preserved remains or traces of once-living organisms from a past geological age. Pottery is an artifact created by humans and is not a biological organism. While pottery can be very old and may be found in archaeological contexts, it doesn't fit the definition of a fossil.

Definition
>the remains or impression of a prehistoric plant or animal embedded in rock and preserved in petrified form.

If we go with the idea that DK is the original Arcade DK, then that implies DK has a son he neglects

>>715863306
DK Jr shows up in Mario Tennis. Going by the storyline, DK Jr is supposed to be older than current DK.
Mario and Baby Mario interact constantly.
Baby Luigi, Baby Rosalina, Baby Daisy, Baby Peach, Baby DK, all show up in spinoffs.
Baby Wario showed up and was a licensed doctor.
You're acting like time bullshit isn't already present in the Mario/DK/Yoshi/Wario timelines.

>>715863260
Bruh do you even know what a fossil is? The whole "decendants" joke is a play on how "ancient" the arcade games are. Again, you're taking meta humor way too literally. Seriously asking, are you autistic? Because it seems like you're incapable of reading between the lines.

>>715863358
Dude everybody knows Cranky was the original DK.

>>715863319
>the DKwiki troons/jannies are fuming mad over Bananza invalidating all of their Cranky is DK timeline shit

No surprise

>>715863410
>The game totally said this!
>uh uh I don't need to show where it said it because everyone knows it
anon......

>>715863031
>using a third party developed crossover game as proof of canon for something
Who's the retard here again?

>>715863396
How is he neglectful of DK Jr? He doesn't send him on dangerous missions??

>>715863410
>everyone knows
Most people do not give a single SHIT about donkey kong lore. Hell, I'd wager that most people assume modern dk and arcade dk ARE the same person

Bananza has Cranky say he fought Waluigi, actually.

>>715863410
No I'm giving this dude benefit of the doubt, the Cranky is Senile theory they're throwing around makes sense.
>DKC, Cranky calls DK is 'no good grandson'
>DKC 2, Cranky doesn't give a shit about DK, and sets up multiple huts on Krocodile Isle.
>DKC3, spends all his time at the fucking Swanky tent.
>DK64, he calls DK his son, mistook Tiny for Dixie, and has no fucking clue where Lankey came from. Also doesn't care that his wife died, spends time in a lab and forcing you to play Jetpack.
>DKL, he becomes friends with K.Rool and bets K.Rool can't steal the Banana horde again.
Like I can agree the fucker's senile at this point.

>>715863396
Considering Pauline is still a child in Bananza, which takes place after all the DKC games, then it's fair to conclude that DK Jr. isn't even born yet, as he's a toddler by the time Pauline's an adult.

>>715863487
He let this happen to DK Jr.
He lost his other kid, PINK DK. Jr after Donkey Kong Junior Math.

>>715863397
Those spinoffs aren't canon.

>>715863487
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUPz2tek8P4

Bananza has flavor text re-confirm DK is the DK in Arcade, actually

>>715863529
Bullshit theory, Cranky was sound of mind on the show.

>>715863629
This is false. DK Jr. never once throws a barrel. The Donkey Kong introduced in DKC throws barrels.

>>715863527
Waluigi has finally been mentioned in a mainline Mario title, this is a truly blessed day.

>>715863527
No dude. He fought Waluigi's uncle, Foreman Spike

>>715825826
You DO realize that this a joke and implies that arcade dk is actually a kong from the distant past, right?

>>715863629
That actually deconfirms that DK is Arcade DK

>>715863691
They're just establishing the future of the games, DK Jr is in Bananza 2

>>715863682
Yeah the two biggest outliers is Cranky meets Mario for the first time in the Mario Movie and the tv show.

>>715863620
The fuck? DK isn't even in that commercial, it's just a bunch of random Nintendo characters on a belt.

>>715863742
Fuck the Mario movie that's its own thing.

>>715863738
No, pretty sure this fossil object, of a corpse from millions of years ago (you know, the depiction of a fossil), which we're meant to take literally and never as a joke, actually depicts DK, who is, as we know, DK, and had a descendant, DK Jr.

>>715863725
Shit, wait.
>DK Arcade = Cranky
>DK Jr = DK II, missing
>DKC DK = DK III, OG Cranky died, becomes the new Cranky.
>DK Bananza = DK IV, explains his new design.

>>715863706
Actually it's Stanley. Cranky starred in DK 3, which was actually a prequel to everything other game in the franchise this whole time!

>>715863738
Yeah, and it also deconfirms that cranky is arcade dk too since it's a fucking fossil and mentioned DECENDANTS (as in distant past). Again, you're taking meta jokes waaaay too literally.

>>715863706
that would've been a better response

>>715797013 (OP)
I agree with you, if only because nintendo devs have shown utter disdain at the idea of consistent lore between games

Zoomers just dog-pilling on shit they have no idea about.

>>715863761
That's DK Jr. DK let his son get turned into a fucking card and die.

>>715863784
It mentions descendants, so wrong again.

>gorillas reach old age 10-15
>DKC DK has been around for 30 years
He's the new/current Cranky. We can assume Wrinkly and Cranky where nearly the same age. OG Cranky, the OG DK that scaled the girders, is dead.

The game really need some of the Rare edge.
Fucking hate dopey ahegao faced DK and Troon colors.

>>715863836
Yeah, and the decendant of a fossil implies someone from the far distant past. Not someone's grandpa

>>715863484
Then where the hell is DK Jr if the current Donkey Kong was his father. Cranky is the original DK you pedantic idiot. The DKC series is FUCKING CANON AND THAT'S MORE THAN CONFIRMED IN BANANZA

>>715863913
Could be great grandpa if you follow the 'DK is Cranky's good for nothing grand son' line.

>>715863793
He's RIGHT!

>>715863882
>gorillas reach old age 10-15
the worst sin DKC has done is convince a whole lot of rare autists about an absolutely fake factoid

>>715863916
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUPz2tek8P4
DEAD. HE'S STUCK IN A FUCKING EREADER CARD. FOREVER TRAPPED IN CARDBOARD AND QR CODES

>>715863882
>gorillas reach old age 10-15
They don't reach old age at 10-15. They reach puberty/maturity at age 10. Their lifespan is typically 40 years in the wild and 50 in captivity, with the oldest recorded age of a gorilla reaching 68.

Since Cranky Kong, Lady, and "Jumpman Mario" are pretty much confirmed decedents of the modern Donkey Kong, Pauline, and Mario - fit this game into the timeline right now. And make sense of Pauline's grandpa and Super Mario having the same last name. And Donkey Kong Jr. appearing in this game.

>>715863916
It literally says in your pic that DK is Jr's father. The DK shown in this pic in fact:
>>715863484

>>715863975
Just proves my theory more. DKC's DK is pushing forty.

>>715863980
>are pretty much confirmed decedents
you mean ancestors, but also, you're wrong regardless, because the game confirms no such thing and they if anything keep mentioning in interviews that Mario is Mario is Mario.

>>715863980
How come you ignored my ealier question? Are you actually autistic?

>>715864026
Could be Stanley.
Wait...
Stanley....Mario?

>>715863980
>it this game into the timeline right now. And make sense of Pauline's grandpa and Super Mario having the same last name. And Donkey Kong Jr. appearing in this game.
why do I have to make sense of bullshit you're making up that's never in any of these games? hey buddy, fit Tomb Raider 2 into the Crash Bandicoot timeline right now, and make sure to mention Crash's grandfather being named Bartholomew!

>>715864021
>Just proves my theory more
the bit that says Cranky can't have aged as fast as you say he did... proves your theory?

>>715862845
The Mario vs DK series is dumb anyways, it always ends with DK getting what he wanted

>>715863980
DK Jr's been around like, ten years by the time this game comes out. Hitting ape puberty, he becomes DK. In Rare's early promo-material for DKC, the Jr. depecited in those storyboards has a tail. He becomes Diddy.

>>715864026
Not true if modern DK and Mario were born at around the same time in Yoshi's Island, and young Pauline meeting an older modern DK.
>>715864041
I don't know what you're referring to, I'm coming from this thread >>715849219

>>715863916
He is off-screen. Where is Candy Kong and Tiny Kong? Off-screen. Where is Chunky Kong and Kiddy Kong and Bluster Kong. Off screen.

>>715863983
Yes DK Jr is CRANKY'S SON. Do you not get how this naming scheme works?

Donkey Kong (Cranky)
Donkey Kong Jr
Donkey Kong The III

They are all Donkey Kongs, they all can go by the name DK.

>>715797013 (OP)
Mariofags autism is finally being Unleashed

>>715864107
DK in the Arcade very well could have been in his mid thirties. As soon as DKC starts, he's become old and bitter. After DK64, he dies, follows his beloved wife into the banana tree in the sky. DKC DK becomes the current Cranky.

>>715863980
Lady is explicitly and repeatedly confirmed to be modern day Pauline, not a decedent.

>>715864169
anon... quit it with the fake bullshit...

>>715863916
>Then where the hell is DK Jr
He's not born yet. Yes, the DKC games are canon because Bananza mentions them having happened. But Pauline is a child in Bananza, which means this game is still a prequel. I literally said this earlier here: >>715863545

I have some questions for the people in this thread.

>>715864139
Candy showed up again. Tiny showed up again. DK Jr. fucking died. His last known appearance is him on a factory convayer belt getting crushed into an E-Reader card.

>>715864189
DK in the Arcade could've also been a robot disguised as a gorilla, yes. I love creating bullshit and not dealing with what the text actually says

>>715864076
Donkey Kong 94 is stated in the manual to take place sometime after arcade Donkey Kong (could be near, could be far)
This is the only game that doesn't fit if the original Donkey Kong trilogy happens before the Yoshi's Island series (it does)

>>715864113
Look, just because DK starts kidnapping women no reason to call him Diddy

>>715864250
No, see.
>>715862696
Nintendo told Rare that if they're gonna redesign DK Jr. this much, he may as well be a whole new character.

>>715864202
I wouldn't be so sure.

>>715864187
Unleashed you say?

>>715864285
The shit you bend to confirm your theories are baffling. Do you seriously take everything literally?

>>715864248
anon, where does shit like "Pauline's grandpa is named Mario" come from

>>715864169
It says that Jr is the son of Donkey Kong, not Cranky Kong silly. Dunno how you're mixing the two up, see right here? This is Jr's dad, Donkey Kong, who starred in the 1981 arcade game.

>>715864285
Anon how is KAOS a Fossil

>>715864245
My theory holds water.
>DK is taken from DK Isle.
>Forced to work in a circus (G&W: DK Circus)
>Forced to play Hockey (G&W: DK Hockey)
>Escapes containment, grabs Pauline, climbs a construction site, is dropped on his head. (Arcade)
>Gets captured again and his son has to save him, implying he already has a mate at this point, and has at least been a father of him for 8.5 months (gorilla gestation period)
>Found time to lead a gorilla army to take over the Sky Kingdom (Sky Skipper)

>>715864235
>why is she jump
Because that's a normal way to jump enthusiastically
>why she jump in dance
Because jumping is normal in dancing
>why her face look young
Because she's 13 and hasn't hit puberty yet, Mario has a baby-face
>why is she a dwarf
She is not a dwarf
>why she have thick eyebrows
Because she doesn't pluck them yet
>why does she have superpowers
She's a main character in a Nintendo game
>why is she short
She's a child

>>715864330
If Cranky Kong is confirmed to be arcade DK, but Pauline is confirmed to be the arcade Lady, then that means she de-ages in Bananza?

>>715864412
but he isn't confirmed to be arcade DK

>>715864412
Mario DOES have a time machine. And all the times in the spinoffs where Mario and his buddies meet their younger counterparts.

>>715864285
From Super Smash Bros
>Waaay back in 1981, a new action game using barrels and girders hit arcades. That game was Donkey Kong, in which MARIO had to rescue PAULINE from the title character. Maybe she wanted to look less like Princess Peach—she changed her look in the Game Boy version.

>One fine day in 1981, the world was introduced to a new action-packed arcade game - Donkey Kong! But back then, the girl Mario was trying to rescue from Donkey Kong wasn't Peach - it was Pauline. Also did you know that in Japan, Pauline was originally just called "Lady"?

She is literally Lady confirmed

>>715864354
Arcade Mario is explicitly referred to as "Mario" in the game Donkey Kong Jr. If Donkey Kong happens before Yoshi's Island (it has to if modern DK is born at around the same time as Mario) then that means Mario would have to de-age in time for Yoshi's Island.

>>715864412
Yes. Pauline has just been deaged. She was turned into a ROCK for crying out loud. She has no memory of the events of Donkey Kong Arcade because she's a little girl again. It's a universe where both Mario and Donkey Kong can transform into elephants.

>>715864412
>If Cranky Kong is confirmed to be arcade DK
You say that like 90% of this thread isn't people diagreeing with you on this

>>715864527
She was not de-aged.
Did you not watch the cutscenes?

Explain this in your timeline, fags
>Kongs and Gorillas are separate in Nintendo lore.

>>715864517
>Arcade Mario is explicitly referred to as "Mario" in the game Donkey Kong Jr.
yes, that's a fact
>If Donkey Kong happens before Yoshi's Island (it has to if modern DK is born at around the same time as Mario)
this is the part you're fucking up at. Notice how this is not factual, it's you speculating?

This also doesn't mention "Pauline's Grandfather is called Mario" at all. You're the one who headcanoned that.

The only timeline that makes sense is current Donkey Kong grows old, becomes Cranky Kong, invents a time machine and goes back in time, and becomes his own grandfather.

>>715864587
That's a bear named Gorilla. Same how a gorilla can be called Donkey.

>>715864405
You are being disingenuous.
You are afraid to admit that she is Mario's daughter.

THE LORE IS WARIO IS GOOD! GREED IS GOOD! GREED WILL GET YOU EVERYTHING! DRINK ALL THE SHAMPOO! SANTA IS NOT REAL! JESUS NEVER HAPPENED! HAVE A ROTTEN DAY!

>>715864559
>Pauline is a mayor of New Donk City
>Now is a little girl who wants to be a singer
She's 15 years younger than she was in Odyssey. Timeline faggots who want to claim DKC is a prequel entirely are retarded they all play Baseball together.

>>715864701
Based Wario advice.

>>715864438
Yes he is. It's mentioned in a fossil description and Cranky talks about a rival in overalls "in his day" which would be when he was younger
>>715864440
Explain how time travel factors into the original Donkey Kong
>>715864527
>Yes. Pauline has just been deaged.
No she hasn't. Finish the game.
>>715864529
Not an argument

>>715864709
>She's 15 years younger than she was in Odyssey
post evidence
she's of course younger, but post evidence that she's specifically 28 in Odyssey

>>715864731
I dunno, I just know Mario has a time machine.

>>715864731
>Yes he is. It's mentioned in a fossil description
fossils? those things that take millions of years to exist and are organic material decayed? Are you saying DK Arcade happened millions of years ago? How are there humans, then?
>and Cranky talks about a rival in overalls "in his day" which would be when he was younger
I mean, I wore overalls when I was a kid. Was I Mario? Is Mario the only one who-- wait, Luigi exists! Wario? Waluigi! What the fuck, "a guy who wears overalls" doesn't actually mean anything?????????? How could this be!

>>715864810
GUYS, IT'S MARIO, GET HIM

>>715864709
>Timeline faggots who want to claim DKC is a prequel entirely are retarded they all play Baseball together.
You're only supposed to factor in games that have narrative presence. That's standard etiquette for timeline nonsense for ANY game series.

>>715864731
Neither a vague reference to rivals in overalls nor an easter egg of DK's arcade sprite as a fossil are proof of anything. They're just fun references/easter eggs.

>>715864810
>Are you saying DK Arcade happened millions of years ago? How are there humans, then?
Clearly Bananza is establishing an Adventure Time style post-apocalypse continuity. We've been looking at this all wrong, the society where Donkey Kong Arcade took place was wiped out and Donk City has risen from the ashes.

Um...Guys?

>>715864810
They arent literal fossils. It's the descriptions that matter. Think pause screen lore for Kirby.

>>715864739
Specific age (28) is just a guestimate. She would be anywhere from mid-twenties to even in her early 40s based on her Odyssey Model.

I'm still going to argue that in terms or lore only Yoshi's Island is a prequel series since it obviously stars Baby Mario. i'm not going to remotely toy around with the concept that DKC is a prequel franchise when K. Rool has canonically been AWOL for a decade.

>>715797137

>>715864930
Stanley
Stan-le
Le S
Leon S (unknown maiden name)

>Same hair

Good thread guys, I will be looking forward to gathering evidence and having this debate tomorrow.
There really needs to be a debate mediator to help bridge the interests of the opposing parties.

>>715864936
>They arent literal
wait, what the fuck? things aren't literal when written in flavor text? how could this be? doesn't this mean then that maybe a text could be written as a joke to do with real life circumstances but not be meant to be taken literally within its in-universe storytelling, just like how the fossils are not literal existing million-old fossils that would establish DKC actually happened in another planetary age and all its cast is dead? could this be.....

>>715864959
>Specific age (28) is just a guestimate
ok, thank you
do you understand here how you're passing "guesstimates" as facts
do you understand how things like "Pauline's grandfather is named Mario" is also a "guesstimate" and not a fact, and thus demanding people have to work with factors like that is nonsensical?

>>715864879
The deliberate mention of "descendants" (heavy emphasis on the s) in the description is enough of an indicator to help us come to that conclusion.
Again, in Kirby, pause screen descriptions also happen in non-canon side modes, but the lore written in them lines up with what we end up seeing in later games.

>>715865045
Nothing really deconfirms Resident Evil takes place in the Mario universe

Why does New Donk City suddenly look more modern?

>>715864731
>Not an argument
Yes it fucking is. The problem is that you just blanket assumed your own conclusion as part of your premise. The amount of circular reasoning you havee been doing ITT is schizo tier.

>>715865101
see
>>715865186

>>715865215
Mayor Pauline is a despot and made everyone dress in suit and ties.

>>715864936
Genuinely what the fuck do you mean by this? So now we are just picking and choosing what is literal on a whim? Face it, you lost.

>>715865238
>more people disagree with you therefore you're wrong
That's why it's not an argument.

>>715865186
Niggger the very face that it uses the word decendants implies it's something from the distant past. It's just a fucking joke.

>>715865330
Nigger you assumed your conclusion as part of your premise. I brought up the rest of the thread to illustrate that you can't just make your premise be the very thing you're arguing for

>>715865215
Why is it called New Donk city? why is it filled with DK iconography? why is there direct references to characters like Lanky kong?

>>715830865
second employment era after he burns through his retirement fund in the party era

>>715865338
It lines up with literally all of the other fossil descriptions. But just this one instance is a joke when you want to make a point I guess. Try playing the actual game before debating largely subjective lore like an autist at least.

I like K Rool

>>715864930
Oh shit, look what I found in the game!

>>715865405
I'm asking why it looks more modern, and why the billboards are more reminiscent of minimalist advertisements.
Why are the New Donkers now wearing hoodies?
It seems to me that 13 years went by.

>>715865591
And yet we know its not because it takes place in the past because factually Pauline is younger.

There will be an official Mario timeline published for Mario's 40th anniversary celebration in September.

SCREENCAP THIS

>>715865591
It looks more modern because Banaza takes place 8 years after Odyssey.

>>715865721
>8 years after Pauline becomes mayor as an adult
Yes that definitely makes sense. Go fuck yourself.

>>715865591
What i'm saying is that it makes no sense for the city to idolize the Kongs, unless the mayor had a personal history with them, of course.