Thread 715798395

>Brainless combat with bafflingly retarded design choices
>Puerile juvenile writing regimented at an atrocious pace
>Almost non-existent main storyline
>Archetypical stereotypes for party members
>The most boring dungeon design I've seen in any game
Why the fuck is this game so beloved? I'm actually offended at myself for giving this a chance as an SMT oldhead. Explain what I'm not getting here, Personababs.

You just had to be there at the time, man

>>715798395 (OP)
>>Brainless combat with bafflingly retarded design choices
My favourite part is how the brainless combat is made even worse by removing direct control of party members

>>715798395 (OP)
faggots found the JPOP and the lame slice of life crap profound.

>>715798395 (OP)
>Why the fuck is this game so beloved?
Genuinely just the story and vibes + most anons played it when they were a loser in school so this game resonated with them on a deeper level because its partly a friend simulator

is persona 2 better storywise?

Thanks for saying it OP, it is really astounding, I don't understand how this game got its reputation. Even if it's "you had to be there", there are so many actually good JRPGs which released much earlier than it. Tartarus would have been lazy even for an NES game. And its pacing is so glacial it makes Trails FC look action packed.

>>715798395 (OP)
P3 is the best Persona, if you don't like then the series is simply not for (you).

>>715799442
But the story is fucking ass. Did I just miss out by not playing this when I was a retarded teenager?

It's a very flawed game but Hashino clearly put his heart and soul into P3 more than anything else he has worked on. The central theme of death is very well done.

>at least half the game is just a VN/dating sim where you go to school, mash through cutscenes, walk down staircases to leave school, do ONE activity for the day, and sleep
>repeat a million times
>sometimes you can’t even do tarturus because mitsuru just decides not to let you
>oh you want to level up party members before the next full moon? Sure would be a shame if someone were to get fatigued
>mitsuru/fuuka! What’s the enemies weakness! I DONT KNOW! Yes that’s my one fucking job but I can’t figure it out!
>want to ply it for yukari? Get fucked, her SL only opens after youre 70% of the way through the game
It’s so fucking boring, I’m 8 hours in and it’s just a slog

>>715798395 (OP)
One of the first games to tie social and dating sim with dungeon crawler mechanics and did it with top notch anime aesthetics and jpop.

>Puerile
Persona games are most enjoyed as teen or young adults. If you approaching your 30s or well into your 30s they lose their appeal

>>715799818
>Sure would be a shame if someone were to get fatigued
Back when Persona games actually cared about the time management aspect of the calendar system.

>>715799835
Even YA novels have less juvenile writing.

itt: smtfags seething about persona again

>>715799442
>>715799702
It hurts when you put it like that but it's the truth, maybe that's also the reason why i didn't enjoy persona 5 that much

>>715798395 (OP)
It was an accidental masterpiece. The game went through development hell until one director took hold of it and got it finished. Atlus was a small and weird company back then. When everyone else was developing high budget games on new consoles they released this late into the ps2’s lifecycle. It’s fun though. It combines dating sim with SMT combat. It’s definitely quantity over quality too with bad pacing. The combat is really fun and fusing personas is really fun, you can do fusion autism. The random skill inheritance is really crappy but modern versions fix it. It’s so strange because skill inheritance is just a few lines of programming, it’s not actually technically impressive and doesn’t require modern hardware, they had manual skill for Devil Children on the Gameboy so I wonder if it was an intentional choice instead of a lazy one like how party members act on their own. I get why they did it, you play as the protagonist because it’s his story and if you die you die it’s game over. I really liked the social links in 3 because they had many of them with weird strangers like the old man and the sick man. Some were really interesting too like the star was just a really talened athlete and there was a regular guy chariot I think who struggled just to keep up. Really interesting social links. The story does exist but it’s really backended but still interesting. Definitely bad dungeons but I like the combat.

>>715799818
Your party members literally cannot get fatigued if you go right before the full moon
Mitsuru and Fuuka take 1 turn to scan the enemy. One turn. You whiny bitch. And they give you everything, vs P4/P5 where they just recite what you already know.
September is like 50% but even then you're complaining about needing to play the game to get more content?

OP replies to himself: The thread

>>715798395 (OP)
It changed people's way of thinking about life

>>715799702
>Did I just miss out by not playing this when I was a retarded teenager?
Pretty much

>>715801920
Anti-Personabros really act like they're profound philosophers.

>>715798395 (OP)
>he didn't play it as a 17 year old after borrowing it from the goth girl in class
lmao, skill issue

>>715798395 (OP)
Because is the first Persona and weebs love Persona

>>715799675
It's by far the worst entry and probably one of the worst jarpigs ever created. I really struggle to find one as baffingly shit as this one
It's only liked because it made millenial boomers think they're special for playing an obscure japanese game in 2006

>>715802545
>It's by far the worst entry and probably one of the worst jarpigs ever created
Now this is hyperbole

>>715802594
Cite one that is worse
Cite one game with a dungeon/exploration worse than tartarus

>>715802245
The thing in common between anti persona and persona fans is that they don't play the games

>>715802684
Persona 1

>>715802684
Mother 1, Japanese version

>>715802684
Persona 1, Final Fantasy 2, Tales of Phantasia,

I like making friends, I like comfy town settings, I like murder mysteries, I love tomboys, and I love Persona 4, simple as.

>>715798395 (OP)
Cool bait thread

>>715803047
>I like murder mysteries
Me too, that's why I hate Persona 4's.

>>715799519
I'd say so
At the very least I think it does more interesting stuff with what was supposed to be the main conceit of the series, "what if the collective unconscious was real", the pace is much faster and more structured and the smaller cast really shines in places, though it does depend on actually talking to them all at every location (and there are a fuckton of optional locations you really have no reason to visit otherwise)
I love both P2 and P3 but they are very different experiences

>>715799519
Yes but gameplay is worse and extremely slow so better play it with an emulator to speed up the battles

It's the best smt sorry boomer

>>715804276
Play the psx version retard

>>715802684
P1, P4.

>>715803891
I like it.

>>715803047
Persona 4 has the best girls, I will give it that much at least

>>715798395 (OP)
>The most boring dungeon design I've seen in any game
Close but Atlus has made worse before. SMT and its spin-offs didn't really have any resemblance of level design till Persona 5, it was all just the blandest and dullest corridors/labyrinths of doom before but it has gotten better. SMTV and Metaphor both pretty good on this regard. Atlus has only improved at actually making games since Persona 5.

>>715802975
>Tales of phantasia
People think tales of phantasia was bad?!

>>715804420
The psx version, though having faster menu selection, is easier than the PSP port. There's no winning. At least not with IS

>>715805908
Smt dungeon crawlers are better than 5's set piece palaces
>Atlus has only improved at actually making games since Persona 5.
Probably because with the p5 rock bottom plunge the only way is up

>>715798395 (OP)
4 > 3

>>715805995
>press X while your companions spam time stopping spells/summons in every battle
Yes, great characters so

>>715806272
>slightly less smelly shit > shit
Ok?

>>715805862
Yeah, there's no obvious "best girl" in 4 unlike in 3 (Mitsuru) and 5 (Futaba)

>>715806159
I feel like 99% of the posters here have no idea what a dungeon crawler is and think SMTs are these standard jrpgs.
I think onky the last 2-3 p5 palaces included some dungeon crawler ideas but they were more gimmicky than anything else.

>>715799702
>Did I just miss out by not playing this when I was a retarded teenager?
Unironically yes, since you need to have a teenager mindset to enjoy games about high schoolers doing high school shit and saving the world and thinking they actually know shit about actual real life with their ~15-16 years old of life ""experience""
Either that or being a literal manchild

>>715798395 (OP)
Welcome to Persona, buddy.

>>715799519
Yes, the story and characters are a lot more interesting, so is the world/exploration, but the gameplay is sleep inducing
But at least they let you change the Personas of your allies to custom fused ones

>>715798395 (OP)
It's funny how many words you misused. You tried so hard to sound smart.

>>715806384
spamming x only made sense dps wise if you had some op weapon. Otherwise you still had to master skills by using them over and over

>>715798395 (OP)
This reads like an Eirikr/Soren tumblr post, which I'm sure you were going for. Good bait.

>>715806546
The issue with 5 palaces is a combination of 0 replayability since they rely heavily on dungeon specific gimmicks that you figure out in 5 minutes, the fact that theres no real dungeon crawler elements we saw from earlier games (SP conservation is a joke) and you being able to clear the palace in an in game day. So now you need to sit through another couple of hours worth of dialog, or if you want actual gameplay then you have to go into mementos which is the worst.

>>715806934
Yeah I didn't touch p5 after finishing it I couldn't even bring lyself to play the royal edition. Maybe in 20 years.

>>715807032
If you're an SMT enjoyer then you're not missing out on anything

>>715806926
I have no clue who this faggot is but claiming Zelda's problem was "too much OOT" marks you as a CRITICAL retard.

>>715798395 (OP)
>Why the fuck is this game so beloved?
It was played by people back in the 2000's. We didn't have that many options back then. Also most played it during their teen years.

>>715799519
No. Innocent Sin has fun characters but the story is a nonsensical clusterfuck chunni shlock. Eternal Punishment is ok but it's kind of just a typical supernatural crime detective story. The central theme of growing up is interesting and relatable but it kind of falls apart because it's focused on Tatsuya who doesn't speak in IS and is a le mysterious Batman wannabe in EP

P3 has a great story because it's not only focused and simple but also human, emotional, relatable, and existential at its very core. It explores the theme of finding purpose in life and learning that nothing lasts forever. Every single character develops by learning to move on in one way or another

What a pathetic contrarian bait thread.

>>715807953
>bait
All the persona criticisms are 100% correct

>>715798395 (OP)
for me what always interested me the most in Atlus games is it’s deep af occult knowledge spread throughout their games.
you fags think it’s funny the fact that Kaneko claimed the Ainu to be descendants of the true Hebrews but hes right yo.
All their games are unironically deep af, yes that includes Persona 5 and Metaphor re fantazio.

>>715798395 (OP)
>Brainless combat with bafflingly retarded design choices
>Puerile juvenile writing regimented at an atrocious pace
>Archetypical stereotypes for party members
>The most boring dungeon design I've seen in any game
this applies to all JRPGs

>>715806159
>Smt dungeon crawlers are better
SMT has some of the most boring wizardry' copy and paste dungeons shit in jrpgs. Going down through a bunch of boring grid-based hallways for 5 minutes and fighting filler mobs is not good dungeon design.

Yesterday's thread died before I could post but I just wanted to complain about the lack of mod support for the Japanese version. Only ones that could be installed were the widescreen patch and the HD textures. The controlable party members and the upscaled fmvs need me to play around with memory addresses and I'm not doing that.

>>715798395 (OP)
>>715808623

>>715798395 (OP)
>Brainless combat
Have you ever played a turn-based Rpg that isn't brainless? What is that game? because out fo hundreds Jrpg's beaten from the Snes, PS1, PS2, PS4 I have never played one that wasn't brainless because the turn-based combat itself can't be anything but brainless when you think about it.

>>715807432
Spotted the OoToddler.

>>715798395 (OP)
>Brainless combat
Have you ever played a turn-based Rpg that isn't brainless? What is that game?
Because out of hundreds of Jrpg's I've beaten from the Snes, PS1, PS2, PS4 I have never played one that wasn't brainless because the turn-based combat itself can't be anything but brainless when you think about it.

>>715809169
>the formula is to blame for the games being linear and the items being misused!
Spotted the marketer.

>>715809275
The formula is too blame because the formula was bad game design and not classic Zelda.

>>715798395 (OP)
I'm an oldfag but I never played an Atlus game until this year when I played Nocturne, Vengeance, then P3. I absolutely loved Nocturne and couldn't believe I'd missed it up until now. The combat is fun, the music is outstanding, and it's oozing vibes and soul. I thought the other two were meh. I played Reload, not FES, and I wondered if maybe that was a mistake but I dunno.

>>715809797
>and I wondered if maybe that was a mistake but I dunno.
If you liked nocturne for the combat you might dislike fes even more than Reload because you only directly control one party member

>>715807432
Eirikr is an SMT oldhead who translated most of the SMT documents that the English fandom uses to this day. Nowadays he bitches about Doi's demon designs, finds excuses to call SMT4 racist, and mocks the Raidou games for being imperialist anti-Jew propaganda. Soren is just his butt buddy and a psuedo-intellectual.

>>715798395 (OP)
Should have played Portable chud.

>>715809797
Nocturne and Persona are like the night and the day, one has a story and characters and shit gameplay the other has abysmal story and characters but stellar combat, before Nocturne Shin Megami Tensei was just spam attack and maybe buff your attack when facing a boss, oh and careful with the demons with reflect

>>715810141
>persona troon edition

>>715810231
For some reason I even enjoyed Nocturne's story even as minimal as it was. It has that 90s and early 00s kind of edgy nihilism to it.

Weird that games like Final Fantasy and Persona were my favorite when I was young but it's literally impossible to discuss them in /v/.
I just come here to talk about the more obscure or comfy games.

>>715810064
>Raidou games for being imperialist anti-Jew propaganda
That's a good thing. Why is he such a faggot.

>>715810527
>it's literally impossible to discuss them in /v/.
We're literally doing it right now. Pull up a chair.

>>715810064
>call SMT4 racist
I don't remember this. Maybe I need to replay that kino

>>715810064
>>715798395 (OP)
>oldhead
Who the hell says this?

>>715810064
>Raidou games for being imperialist anti-Jew propaganda
Thanks for the recommendation

>>715810603
It's always just the same pretentious rambling from normalfags hating anime-like concepts, that and having never heard of dungeon of a dungeon crawler so this is their only point of reference.
Gets boring by the 120th time.

>>715798395 (OP)
>as an SMT oldhead
But of course

bitch charmed me and i full healed her when she had almost nothing left my first run at her. I had to turn off the ps2 and walk away i was so tilted.

>>715809272
This
If your game isn't real time i.e. you can literally get up take a shit and continue thinking about your move, or doze off on your keyboard and continue as if nothing happens then the game isn't for smart people at all
Chess has time limits for a reason, even primitive decision making of soulslop is above jrpgs, because you are given less than a second to think instead of "your pace man"
You can open a guide in google mid game

>>715810939
Persona bosses peaked here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO54NPnSiYc

>>715798395 (OP)
I played P3P. It was kinda boring, which made me take long breaks from it – but the ending was great. Didn't feel like I need some sort of a retarded sidestory to explain things further after it, so I never played FES.

>>715811045
>Chess has time limits for a reason
So that competitive matches don't last 30+ hours

>>715810939
I just farmed till I get 9999 dmg spell and 50% mana cost ring and just kept oneshotting her stages
I pussied out on fighting reaper so I had to farm on last before secret floor of tartarus like a total faggot retard, I still regret it

>>715811045
>>715809272
Competitive pokemon is unironically probably the peak of turn based combat.

At high level you gotta be able to read your opponent and know the most popular options but no one here is at that level I gym battled /v/ before and most of you are trash as fuck for all your talk of casuals and brainless

>>715810896
Persona is not a competent dungeon crawler

>>715810939
Lmao bro my last Nocturne fight this happened.
>get Samuel down to like 1/4th
>charms my healer
>free mediarahan for him
>+8500hp
>turn off ps5

Niggers

>>715811350
>1v1 me on pokemon
Lmao calm down little bro. Pokemon is on the same level as shitsona

>>715811238
i did a full blind play through and did not look up anything I completely missed a social link or 2 im pretty sure

>>715798395 (OP)
I always heard how P3 had the best story and atmosphere. After I played it, only the atmosphere part is true because the story fucking sucks.

>want to ply it for yukari? Get fucked, her SL only opens after youre 70% of the way through the game
>It’s so fucking boring, I’m 8 hours in
Here's your (You), >>715799818

>>715811461
https://pokemonshowdown.com/

prove you got a big brain and get to high elo with on randoms then pussy

>>715811512
Poosoyna 3 s links are tightest in the series time wise
Without guide it's literally impossible, you have like 2-3 days max if you try to do all

>>715811350
Competitive pokemon as far as what I saw was based a lot on attrition with dot damage etc. Yes it has lots of complexities but pretty boring desu

>>715811865
You have to break walls make progress by knocking off items and lying hazards its pretty complex although it has tons of luck.

its kino

>>715811865
thats if you run a stall team just run aggro team with good wallbreakers. Stall is also less viable in doubles for the most part

>>715799519
The combat is kinda eh... but the story is pretty fucking good

>>715810670
No one anymore. It's 2023 zoomerslang.

>>715810064
>>715810823
>>715810589
>Anti-Jew
You mean pro-Jew, because it operates on Japanese-Jewish common ancestry theory

>>715813619
jews are the descendants of the people of judea, they spoke hebrew and followed the ancient canninite doctrine of the old testament.
not all who lived in the land of what is known today as israel followed such doctrine.
Jesus for example, was born north of judea, spoke aramaic and followed the doctrine of the Nazareenes.
modern jews dont own the title of isrealites all to themselves. specifically since their jewish state didnt come to be until after ww2.
hope this cleared some misconceptions you had.

>>715813619
https://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2017/06/jjcat.html?

>>715814106
>it means that the player is now wearing the mantle of Masakado himself, killing a Jewish Kagutsuchi before squaring off with Lucifer in preparation for the ultimate foe: YHVH. The True Demon Ending is by far the most popular of Nocturne's outcomes with fans, so this hidden subtext is concerning.
wtf I didn't know Nocturne or SMT in general was this based.