What do you think of FF XII's combat and singleplayer MMORPG like design?

>>715799960 (OP)
Seems okay!

>>715799960 (OP)
The dungeons definitely have MMO design but the combat feels closer to CRPGs
Xenoblade 1 and X are actual singlplayer MMOs

>>715799960 (OP)
You press 4 times speed, and only take a second to spam heal/remove debuffs until you hit a point you don’t even need to do that with gambits.
Its boring as fuck and i much rather just doing a standard ps1 atb system which worked perfectly fine

It has some of my favorite world/level design in any FF game
I like the way it lets you enter dangerous areas early if you want to risk it for some good loot
I also like how the whole world is interconnected and you end up finding shortcuts and passages between areas

It's fun. FF13 has the best combat of the mainline games though.
Dissidia has the best overall.

>>715799960 (OP)
Literally a real time with pause crpg system.

Its shit, shit for WRPG and shit for JRPGs, turn based systems are what made RPGs great

Its great if you're playing it the way the director intended, no 4xspeed/2xspeed, no rescpeccing, NG-/Weakened mode etc I really love the incentive to explore by placing abilities in the environment rather than constantly available at shops. Money only being obtainable from stealing/looting chests or completing quests is really nice at it actually gives value to the amount of gil I have and makes certain decisions more important. My only qualms with the game is LP being tied to kills and encouraging grinding since the devs were clear trying to encourage problem solving over leveling up to stomp everything but LP grinding is mostly the same since once you have access to most magicks the problems are easier to figure out.

>>715799960 (OP)
Pure drag, a true time wasted. If you tell me this shit game was originally meant to be a mmo I will believe you.. I would sooner replay FF13 than finish my FF12 save. And thinking about playing 13 makes me nauseous.

>>715799960 (OP)
It's ATB except you can run around.

>>715801383
>it's great if you make sure to watch the paint dry the way the director intended
lol. Lmao, even

>>715801383
you mean the way PS2 could handle it

>>715800993
>i much rather just doing a standard ps1 atb system
So turn off Gambits. Hell, you don't even have to equip them whatsoever.

Tadah! Navigating your actions menu for each character's turn is identical to previous atb systems! It even has the same "pause when selecting action during combat" option if you're not confident in your menu navigation skill.

>>715801347
FFXII is turn-based.

>>715801574
>>715801761
He literally said he made the game easier in Zodiac Age, so more people would play it. The Int release Zodiac Job system release on the ps2 was already a rerelease of the original, with all improvements he wanted I'm not even being a purist. God forbid a game encourages you to dedicate to decisions in your builds and cope with fuckups

>>715801969
what does this has to do with the fact that the gameplay is fucking sluggish even by ff sluggish standards? I'm pretty sure I aged 10 years just trying to play that game

>>715799960 (OP)
the gambit system is like an autism brain tickler

>>715802365
It's a zoomerified version of CRPG gameplay

>>715802482
Games older than most zoomers

>>715802206
>gameplay is fucking sluggish
No it isn't.
The gameplay wildly faster, and more interactive, than the previous titles given its "real-time" exploration mixing with zero-transition battles.

You think "sluggish" because you've spent time collecting, organizing, equipping, tailoring, and otherwise perfecting your Gambit priorities for which action to take during which circumstances by which character under specific conditions... and then you get to sit back and watch your investment payoff (while still maneuvering the map, even fleeing the battles if desired). You take 80% of your actions pre-combat, forcibly command new actions during combat when needed, and then re-evaluate your actions post-combat.

Also worth mentioning: you don't get 12 action slots and 175 GAMBIT equipment prizes in the first 15 minutes of Final Fantasy XII. You don't even get TWO until you're basically leaving Rabanastre with half your party.
You have to collect them over HOURS AND HOURS of exploration, and they WILL NOT be perfect commands (which YOU are capable of making, instantly, given it's still action menu navigation).

ivalice is still the best setting. They should make more games in it. No i don't give a fuck about the mmorpg

>>715799960 (OP)
Never liked real time with pause. The gambits are kinda cool but at the same time suck, it's hard to describe.

Honestly I like the auto combat that gambits create. There's a satisfaction I get from watching my well oiled machine just work. Nothing else like debugging my lil dudes. Only other game I had this kind of autism for was unicorn overlord which also has gambits

>>715799960 (OP)
The story sucks and the villains spend 99% of the game just talking amongst themselves on a whole other continent away from the party
I do like how you can find very powerful enemies just randomly standing there in normal areas though

>>715803808
I think this is one of FF12's biggest issues. There's a lot of plot in this game but there's very few characters. When I pieced together the history of Ivalice, my first thought was

>wow...I wish I got to see most of that

>>715802904
it's sluggish because i spend hours walking around needlessly big maps filled with slow ass semi random encounters just so i can watch my characters slowly fight push over enemies

>>715804445
>I hate exploring large maps
That's like being a frozen dinner.
"Ugh, I have to bake this? I hate that." Then don't buy a frozen dinner? Don't buy a JRPG.
FFXII had remarkably detailed and stylized environments/maps to explore.

>I felt like using Gambits was an achievement which I hated using
So turn off your Gambits.

>>715799960 (OP)
I’m thinking Ashe butt

>>715799960 (OP)
Personally, I fucking hated it.

>>715804445
>I hate exploring large maps
That's like buying a frozen dinner; "ugh, I have to bake this? I hate that." Then don't buy a frozen dinner? Don't buy a JRPG.
FFXII had remarkably detailed and stylized environments/maps to explore.

>I felt like using Gambits was an achievement which I hated using
So turn off your Gambits.

>>715805129
>I hate exploring large maps
exploring what? the same desert segments i've explored in the other areas? No other jrpg wasted my time like ff12 did both with its maps and combat.
>Don't buy a JRPG.
that's rich coming from you given how overly emotionally attached to the game you are since it probably was your first and only jrpg, because if it wasn't you wouldn't say something this fucking stupid

>>715800330
I'm old enough to remember when MMOs were CRPGs

>>715803747
This is the true RPG experience. It's making a plan to solve a problem and watching it execute, then tweaking it when it doesn't work. So many "RPG" fans today just want them to be action games with progression

>>715805470
So you didn't play FFXII, I understand. Thank you for clarifying.

>>715801767
I hate how the games settled on this weird realistic style after ff12

>>715805470
>it probably was your first and only jrpg
I was born in 1987.
I had played over a dozen JRPGs before FFXII (2006), and dozens of other games, too. It was not my first, it was not my only.

>>715800993
I was replaying XII and feel pretty much the same. When you can speed up the game, it's quicker to just bash things to death, or let your gambits do their thing, than get more creative by fiddling around in the clunky menus. Of course, you can not speed up the game but when the option exists, why handicap yourself?

The rest of the game is pretty fun. Having since played XI, it's amusing to see how much XII lifts from its online predecessor. Replaying XII was also a wild reminder of how little hand holding even PS2 games provided (there are no markets telling you where to go or what to do). I thought the rot set in much earlier.

best ff thread?

>>715806036
Every FF game was an iteration on the previous game up to FF12, and that includes 11. 13 was the first FF game where they started from scratch just for the heck of it and it's why the franchise is so shit now.

>>715805842
I'll try to blame modern technology allowing designs beyond blatant-polygons, and audiences fighting graphix-warz, but yeah. We lost art in or games once "realism" was apparently the way to go.

>>715799960 (OP)
Only 1 spell can be executed at a time making everything but normal attacks useless
Absolute garbage design the devs should be ashamed

>>715805805
>desert
>savanna
>tropical
concession accepted

>>715806236
6 was a SAGA clone

>>715806236
13 felt closer to old ff than 12 did, just a completely barebone one

>>715806992
>cloud
>metropolitan
>caves
>arctic
>volcanic
>jungle
>heavenly/ethereal
>day
>night
>magical alien glowing
>steam machinery aircraft
Blind inexperience, reinforced, thank you.

>>715807292
>double down after posting a pic literally proving my point about the game being desert themed and being proven wrong about me not having played the game
stop being so emotionally attached to a mediocre game

>>715806992
The game takes place in fictional Saudi Arabia and you're mad it doesn't include Jet-Skis?

>>715806080
This isn't a chains of promathia thread

>>715807589
>now moving the goalpost
I already accepted your concession

>>715799960 (OP)
I don't know, I got filtered by the gay player characters

>>715799960 (OP)
It's a little slow but once you get the hang of gambit it's truly enjoyable seeing it all piece together.

>>715807498
You're continuing to cement the fact you did not explore FFXII, you're defining your unwillingness to acknowledge explicit facts that disprove your naivety, and you're giving me reason to post images in discussion of a great game.

I also love Final Fantasy XII's soundtrack. There are numerous tracks I find very comfortable and satisfyingly cozy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfFTEQqdhyk

It reminds me a lot of Vagrant Story's in the sense that you spend an ungodly amount of time in menus for what is ultimately extremely boring combat.

>>715807958
I already accepted your concession

>>715803064
14 doesn't really count as ivalic anyways. It's a little themepark at best. Now an MMO set in Ivalice...

>>715807992
for vagrant story it was due to being rushed out half finished since the ps2 was around the corner. for 12 it was by design after taking forever to release the game.

>>715807879
>continuing to ignore that FFXII's Ivalice is more than sand; an ironic contrast to the Arabic comparison
Final Fantasy XII has many, varied maps to explore.

>>715808006

>>715808162
I already accepted your concession

>>715807889
>Penelo is gay
>Ashe is gay
>Fran is gay
Uh...

>>715799960 (OP)
not turnbased so it's automatically good

>>715801168
>Dissidia has the best overall.
I feel like SoP might finally be giving Dissidia some competition after all these years
XIII is still the best combat in mainline though
XVI had the potential to dethrone it but then it made the baffling decision to make the only good part of the game locked behind two playthroughs and a menu most players will never use

>>715808282
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfBenCCkGNM

>>715808615
>he loves staggerslop
unironically kys

>>715808240
You know what's something I appreciated? How not only does Fran's hair reacts to wind but even Balthier's sleeves

>>715806236
>13 was the first FF game where they started from scratch
13 was the result of the devs building off of 10-2
Really the first mainline FF game where they started mostly from scratch was 10

>>715808162
>an ironic contrast to the Arabic comparison
>implying Arabia is supposed to be literally just sand and nothing else
bait, mental retardation, American education, it could be anything

>>715808716
I already accepted your concession
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7jRbujYhSc&list=RDU7jRbujYhSc&start_radio=1

>>715806036
12 would have been sick with 4-5 party members and skillchains/magic bursts from 11

>>715806992
>concession accepted
>implying you played the game
>TZA
the ORIGINAL PS2 version is the only one that matters.
unironically if you didn't play that you didn't play best FF.

>>715799960 (OP)
My only complain is that I hate to have small parties when the real party is bigger

>>715808865
I'm enjoying giving this thread pleasing FFXII images and music, while continuing to draw attention to the fact that you are unwilling to accept there is more to FFXII than "sand" and "gambits."
Including wonderful musical tracks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcLV8b3MWsU

>>715809021
I already accepted your concession

>>715809021
>Muh vanilla best
You favela monkeys missed out on the best boss fight in the game therefore your opinion is worthless

>>715808737
Agreed; when they developed the characters, models, animations and scenes in FFXII... they really focused on making it extremely theatrical. The outfits, the interaction with environment and weather, it's wonderfully shown.
For a new game on Playstation 2 in 2006, it was brilliant. And LONG! There was A LOT of content, in this game. It's fantastic.

>>715809201
I already accepted your concession

>>715808615
Yes, I enjoy fun games. I like newer FFs and I like the classic ATB titles and the Famicom trilogy as well. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, which can be fun to break down and discuss. Disregarding a large part of the franchise by calling it "slop" isn't really conducive to that kind of conversation, though.

>>715808823
I wonder if the Ivalice presented in FFXII has an environment like you posted...

>>715809710
Meant for >>715808730

>>715809779
Yes thanks for proving my point

>>715809601
Final Fantasy XII is a beautiful game with many different environments, set in "Ivalice;" a small part of its world which can easily be compared to planet Earth's middle-eastern nations on the Arabic Peninsula like Saudi.

You are ignorant for claiming FFXII is "only deserts."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWiHFunDwKU

>>715799960 (OP)
I loved it. But i also like 11, and they are incredibly similar gameplay-wise.

>>715801574
watching paint dry is fun

>>715810017
That Saudi Arabia, also known as Ivalice, is more than DUNE? You're welcome!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB15Z8I-VKg

>715810089
>he wants more attention after conceding
(You)

I claim all vieras with short hair as my wifes.

>>715810306
Are you replying to the wrong person, or do you genuinely lack basic reading comprehension skills?

I like how they are saying "Cryst" instead of "Crystal".
They should do that more often in FF.

>>715810328
I don't need the attention at all, but okay.

>>715810370
I feel threatened by your wonderful taste.

>two idiots so retarded they don't realize they're agreeing with each other
sure is /v/ around here

>>715803064
the setting is okay but it would be nice if they could do a game with like actual interesting, relatable characters instead of political melodrama with emotionless characters

>>715810648
but I like political melodrama with emotionless characters

If the characters were more fleshed out, FF12 would be the perfect Final Fantasy

>>715810306
>>715809779
>Highest IQ FF12 fan

>>715799960 (OP)
>run up to enemy
>stop walking to pull out weapons
>finish combat
>run to next enemy
>stop walking to put away weapons
>get close to enemy
>stop walking to pull out weapons
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

>>715811003
That's why you aggro all enemies first before killing them. Remember to use flee mode for the 20% increased move speed

>>715799960 (OP)
Might as well ask here, how does the new remastered Zodiac Age version stack up against the original? I hear the original is more difficult and that does sound more stimulating, I must admit. Which should I go with for a first (and probably only)-time playthrough?

>>715811169
that's dumb. they should just have weapons out when in combat capable areas

>>715799960 (OP)
I really like the gambit system and the mist combos. However, summoning in this game is totally pointless and I only ever used a summon once when it was mandatory.

>>715811227
>how does the new remastered Zodiac Age version stack up against the original?
It's better solely for the much improved leveling and job system. The original isn't more difficult as much as it is tedious.

>>715811227
they both play the same for the most part, just buy ZA and play for a little while, if you like the game then download either the OG difficulty mod or the ballbusting difficulty mod, and then play in Weak Mode or whatever

>>715804127
it's insane to me the game starts off with Reks and this big war, and then in like 5 minutes you're stuck playing as Vaan and Penelo who are the POV characters who have 1. zero emotional connection to anything happening with the political drama and 2. have literally no reason to even be there for the events of the game

one of the worst parts of the game is the second time Larsa joins your party and you reach your destination in that village or whatever, and a cutscene starts. Vaan, Penelo and Larsa are walking and talking and just having a normal character moment, and it's not even a few lines into what looks like genuine characterization to make us relate to/care about these characters we have to cut back to monotone Basch and monotone Ashe talking about more boring poltical drama we still have no emotional connection to or even a frame of reference for because 99% of it is just people telling you things about the empire or whatever. XII always reminds me of the Star Wars prequels in the worst ways, at least with those you have the relationships between characters like Anakin and Obi-Wan or Anakin and Padme to give the plot some kind of stakes, but XII doesn't even have that because none of the characters have emotions or attachments. it's literally just the scenes in the Senate and Padme talking about the Republic and nothing else.

i just can't believe it's the same company that produced other games with evil empires like II, VI, VII and IX which all understood this and establish these things, establish the characters, establish why you should care about the empire and why it's bad, but this Matsuno guy just makes games with emotionless robots. i don't get why everyone sucks his dick, his stories are terrible.

FF12 is one of the most horrifically boring games I've ever played, which is a shame because the story and setting are very cool.
Did the vanilla version have no fast forward button? I can't imagine how awful that must be.

>>715811227
if difficulty is a concern just don't grind. i don't think the original is any different, it's just as easy in different ways because you can slot out every single character to have the same equipment/magic/etc. at least ZA you can only have healing magic on those classes, only classes that equip heavy armor can take lots of physical punishment, etc.

>>715810459
The reply chain begins with Anon1 claiming "FFXII is only deserts."
Anon2 claims "no, there are many different environments" and posted an image with 15 different environments.
Anon1 claims "you just proved it's all deserts and beaches, which is sand, so I'm right."
Anon2 claims "no, there are various different environments in Ivalice, including hot, cold, wet, dry, day, night, metropolitan, cavernous, sky-based, magic-based, and even heavenly locations."
Anon1 ignores this and continues to claim it is only deserts, further claiming that Anon2's continued disagreement was somehow a "concession," which is explicitly wrong.
Anon2 attempts to draw attention to the setting of Ivalice to a real-world location, as a comparison to what Anon1 seems to be completely narrow-minded and ignorant of, being mentioning Saudi Arabia.
Anon1, gleeful of a new comparison, immediately responds with an image of Saudi that is more than desert, seemingly thrilled his own proof that there is more to a desert nation than just sand dunes both proves Ivalice is only sand dunes and that Anon2 is wrong.
Anon2 continues to bring attention to this revelation about "more than desert" given his comparison and Anon1's own proof of such a comparison, showing that being naive is wrong and direct comparison continues to indicate Anon1 is not acknowledging that the fictional realm of Ivalice with dozens of different maps, even despite Anon1's personal investment to prove Saudi Arabia is more than deserts. An intentional "Catch .22" where constant claims of "fictional worls is only a desert" and "but real places aren't only a desert" DOES NOT support each other. Again, an intentional argument theme, brought up by Anon2.

Ivalice has many different environments. Comparing it to Saudi Arabia is (intentionally!) naive; there are more than deserts.

>>715811652
>Comparing it to Saudi Arabia is (intentionally!) naive; there are more than deserts.
also ignores that the actual middle east has a variety of biomes, it's not just sand like you see in the movies

>>715811291
sucks that most of the elemental summons have mediocre stats and do less damage than just your own party member spamming firaga because summons can't equip armor to increase magic. And their magic list consists of one elemental magic spell, cura, and reflect (they all have auto-reflect anyways, so this is useless). Really the only good espers are Zodiark for Final Eclipse and Cancer for his 40k gravity bombs. Everyone else is just a License Board stepping stone even after they got buffed in ZA

It's the only mainline FF I have enjoyed, I dislike the classic TB style, it just breaks the flow of exploration and takes you out of the game.
I loved walking around the beautiful environments, seeing the monsters before engaging them, it just feels good to exist in that world and explore it.

Ashe

>>715811652
You are under the assumption that there are only 2 anons talking to each other
This was my first post in this thread >>715808823

>>715811524
>but this Matsuno guy just makes games with emotionless robots.
his writing is always pretentious as fuck and filled with telling instead of showing. He also love making his stories look more complex than they are by exposing the player to it like somebody who just showed up at the end of a 2 hours seminar.

>>715811819
Many people who hate FFXII (for any number of dumb reasons, including zero experience) hate being told that and become confrontationally angry. It's childish, and a shame, but hopefully they'll learn.

>>715807792
I used a walkthrough for this place. I had no patience to make a .txt file to track where I was going.

>>715799976
I now get why they hate you

>>715812106
coward, I trial'd and error'd for a week straight to get to crystal peak

Not related to the gameplay at all, But FF12 probably has the best English dub and localization out of any Japanese game I've played.

>>715811615
even with the fast forward it's still unbearably slow and full of filler

>>715812047
Oh, then I definitely apologize for assuming you were Anon1!

And I explicitly thank you, very much, for showing the intended lie of "Saudi = sand dunes only" being blatant wrong; it genuinely helps make the comparison that FFXII (Ivalice) does NOT = sand dunes only.

I hope to continue posting images of FFXII to help expose new audiences, and remind old audiences, that it's a wonderful game to explore~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYDK4svxn1M

>>715812319
aren't all rpgs like this

>>715812081
stop samefagging and stop projecting

>>715799960 (OP)
I prefer FFXI's combat.

I still want a game that merges FFXI's skillchains/magic bursts and skill system with FFXII's gambits so I can control a whole party.

>>715801907
I played ff12 just to bust nuts to fran

>>715812041
I never knew prior to playing that Ashe is probably the angriest member of the cast

I think I got fucked by the boss at the airship and never played the game again.
Should I try once more?

>>715812463
fucked up how xi doesn't let you do this with trusts yet
They've got several different pet systems, so the potential is already there

>>715799960 (OP)
What were they thinking with this design.

>>715799960 (OP)
>mmorpg like design
I wish, the combat is a dumbed down RTwP, not an MMO-like. Positioning doesn't matter, there's no aggro management, skills require needless waiting on activation instead of just having a more straightforward cooldown or just MP approach, party elements are heavily de-emphasized

>>715812412
absolutely not, they can feel like a drag sometimes, especially on a rerun but ff12 seems designed to waste your time as much as possible and feels obnoxiously slow even on the first walk through.

>>715812535
Yes

>>715812592
Crazy how drastically Vaan improves by just putting on a shirt

What the hell was his problem?

>>715812637
there is actually distance-based aggro and aggro management but only with certain mobs and hunts so you'll probably never learn about them or even deal with them

>>715812719
He was talking to ghosts

>>715812463
i just dislike XI being entirely reliant on macros to control your character, it isn't comfy

>>715812462
I do not samefag, and I'm preaching. Preaching that FFXII is extremely well-developed and a wonderful game to play. Its setting is charming and its dialogue is enthralling; many people regard FFXII's theatrical scenes to be the #1 best of any video game ever made, if not in the Top 3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_JOVyQSA68

>>715811652
>Bangaa have little culture of their own, having integrated closely into hume society, though they're fiercely competitive and easily offended
what did they mean by this

>>715812463
I want FFXI the CRPG.

>>715812515
I don't blame your influenced choice.

>>715812967
you can type every command out like a maniac (me)

>>715812520
she has some stuff to work through

>>715813136
speaking of, has anyone tried that single player XI server emulator? LandSandBoat or whatever it is? i've used the WoW single player emulators and had a good experience but i don't really know enough about XI to know if that game's emulator is worth experiencing the game with yet or if it's better to wait for it to be more feature complete.

>>715813178
Don't get me wrong I still enjoyed the rest of the game, but it's a very chill experience for me. The type of game I'd play in the morning as I have my first coffee of the day and then later on I'd play something more active

>>715812520
Yeah. She's really, really, really angry about her fiance being killed by the Archadian Empire. Both her royal status and young age makes he very, very petty (justified, but still).

The plot and writing explores this characteristic, though.

>>715812824
Yeah im aware of the esoteric situations but 12 didn't go far enough. Wish it had more elements from xenoblade's combat instead of shoving things into gambits

>>715812716
In your pic his face looks better. In mine he looks like he got a nose job like Michael Jackson.

I think I'm in the minority, but I love it. It's one of my favorite FF games. 100%'d it on both PS2 back when it came out, and on PC once zodiac age released.

>>715812719
Well, he was being 24/7 influenced by an angel/demon, pandering to his ego of importance. Plus, he's a super-genius and probably the most influential "civilian" in the entire Archadian Empire, which he's directly recognized for.
Plus, he does not give a fuck about his son. More of "oh well, leave me alone" father figure.

>>715813284
It's nothing like wow SPP / azerothcore, it's not what you're thinking

>>715813118
Racism is fully-supported and endorsed in Ivalice.

>>715813385
It's a great game(show) to play(watch), yeah.

>>715810648
I have never found any character in any media "relatable". I'm convinced it's a marketing buzzword.

I never played FFT or Vagrant Story and so didn't know about their shared world or whatever. I always presumed that 12 was set in the same world as 9 because of the moogles and non-human characters and general focus on politics between the various kingdoms.

>>715814056
relatable doesn't mean "omg he is literally me!!!" but about relatable experiences and emotions that a character go through.

>>715799960 (OP)
I never cared for the game, always skipped it on sales. Decided to give a try this time.

Gambit system and combat presentation here is the best way to do "classic" FF combat, you cut the tedium, turn it into fun basic programing of your characters and watch everything unfold. If you did it right you don't need to do anything or very little manually. Seeing shit work the way you intended is fun.

You can make argument that most of the game doesn't need much thinking anyway and you can streamroll it, but it's difficulty and progression issue, not the gambit system alone. You can also say that gambit is a bit too basic, but I can't decide if making it more convenient would actually benefit the game, working around limitations is part of the fun.
If square wanted to ever do classic FF combat they better add gambit system to it. In fact, they should add it to any team based FF anyway.

>>715814694
ff12 wishes it was half as good as ff9

>>715814056
in FFVI i find Terra relatable even though i'm not half-Esper because that whole feeling of being alien and apart from everyone else is something i'm familiar with, i would not want to be enslaved by some evil empire to use magic powers to kill people

in FFXII no character is relatable because most of them only exist to vomit exposition about the boring political plot that drives the game forward

>>715815102
I relate to basch because I'm also a boring old man with an asshole brother

>>715815102
>in FFXII no character is relatable
Try not being born a filthy commoner in the next life, scrub.

>>715811291
I don't think I truly understood how to use Quickenings. Maybe I just don't remember cause even though I beat it, I don't remember much about the game.

>>715799960 (OP)
Its okay with a fast forward button. Also Xenoblade does it better.

>>715815026
>ff9 remake with gambit system
square please make it happen

unironically

the originals job sytem was so much better
having to restrict everyone into weird jobs that dont fit the character makes the game harder imo

>>715813850
in what way? no player bots, 100% solo?

>>715815102
I relate to Vaan because I'm a nobody who will always be outshined by my peers

>>715815641
This was me but with squall and ff8

>>715815492
That would simultaneously be very concerning but also very interesting.

>>715815492
I can't think of a way to make turn based gameplay more boring

>>715815492
I feel like the gambit system would work perfectly with FF7 Remakes

>>715815714
I do, just don't add gambit system

>>715799960 (OP)
I love that single-player MMO combat design. If anything, we need more games that adopt mmo mechanics into single player games

>>715815301
Basch lives!

>>715815492
I think they'd keep it accurate to the original desu, was always meant to be a tribute game of sorts to old school FF

>>715799960 (OP)
best 3d ff.
best combat system and best setting.

>>715815840
Erenshor exists, but it's all made by one guy and modeled more after everquest which isn't everyone's cup of tea. extremely ambitious and dedicated dev though, game launched with some macro issues with combat so he's been working on addressing the playerbase's concerns.

>>715815860
>I'M BASCH!

>>715815958
>early access game
darn

>>715805972
>soulful Charpentier Renaissance font
>never seen again in any subsequent rerelease of the game

>>715816080
i still think it's pretty good, particularly if you like EQ and that gameplay loop. which is especially nice because if you like classic EQ your choices are Project 1999 which is a dead project that will hoard their source code despite refusing to do any new servers, and Project Quarm which is run by two insane trannies that have done retarded shit like censor the term "gypsy" from the game.

>>715799960 (OP)
ever since it came out it has always been my favorite sub-genre. all the best parts and feels of an MMO, without the worst part, other people.

>>715815821
>make the turn based game play itself
>fun

>>715816415
>without the worst part, other people
sad that this is only a problem now because internet access is more available in third world countries full of bug people with zero sense of morality, and HRT has destroyed nerd communities

>>715816552
I didn't like people on the internet even in the 90s, though, and there were literally zero thirdies on the internet then, they didn't even have dialup yet.

>>715816526
Literally the best part. I can program my party to fight a megaboss while I go make a sandwich in the other room.

>>715816683
I fucking hate Americans YY4T2

>>715816526
I've been saying this for a while, but I need a Zachtronics game about programming RPG characters in various situations

Best Zodiac jobs for the people?

>>715816526
It doesn't play itself, you play it, you set up your party actions, if you done it right they exectue them and make you win, if you done it wrong you lose and have to make better gambits.
Everything about the combat system is preserved, you don't need any changes and you can still input some actions manually if you notice your gambits are not enough. You play the game, the only thing you skip is manual imputs that don't require any skill anyway because it's not action combat.

>>715816283
I don't know how the dev has implemented the fake-players, but I hope they actually act like real people and not just follower NPCs with L33T speak. And also that they don't just grind to endgame if you leave your computer idle on accident

>>715817074
>but I hope they actually act like real people and not just follower NPCs with L33T speak
they do chat among themselves and respond to commands and things. there's a few preset personalities they follow. and there's a mod that adds LLM integration but it's very patchwork.
>And also that they don't just grind to endgame if you leave your computer idle on accident
there's a Friend system where you can add player bots to your friends list and they won't outlevel you. but everyone else grinds as normal.

>>715805842
Thats because literally every mainline after 12 besides 14/16 (which were produced by a fanboy of 12's original director) is by the same people who wanted every piece of FF media to look like Advent Children

>>715805972
>talking with elderly female NPC
>"Did I ever tell you about how I was a slut back in my day?"
>"I still think men are sexy, too :)"
Definitely from the Lowtown, aren't you, geez...

>>715799960 (OP)
I order-of-ambrosia'd the game three times. I liked it more each time. I can't imagine playing it without 4x speed though.

>>715799960 (OP)
i want to play zodiac age content with the original's board system
is there a mod for that

>>715820163
yes
there are even mods that let you customize the board manually

>>715814026
fran w/ ponytails

incidentally, best anim of fran is her fucking jote by blackjr

yw

>>715816526
It's not about making it play itself, it's about making it play how *you* want it to play. The gambit system is like pre-fight chess - you plan it out, test it, tweak it, and when it all clicks, it's like watching a well-oiled machine. If you think that’s boring, you’re probably the kind of guy who clicks "Attack" over and over and calls it strategy.

>>715812592
Aladdin, probably