Thread 715800940

Why did it take FatShark 3 years after release to make Darktide fun?

I just want a pvp 40k game I am so tired of coop grind slop

>release a broken class
>normalfag-tier crafting system making the looting obsolete
>reddit subhumans basedjack over the changes
go back

>>715801024
subhumans like OP love buying skins in boring coop grind slop sadly

>>715800940 (OP)
Does the ship hub still nuke your PC's loading times?
I had swapped that shit off an SSD to my NVME and it still took an aeon to load.

>>715800940 (OP)
>break two of the three capstones for the new class
>won't release a hotfix until August because of some government mandated holiday
thanks sweden

>>715801024
>Autistic grind in darktide for the le perfect builds!
>Autistic grind in Space marine 2 for prestige ranks and builds

I dont even hate SM2s pvp but its so fucking grating that the best 40k games right now are coop grind slop

>>715801058
>>normalfag-tier crafting system making the looting obsolete
RNG gacha loot does not belong in a horde shooter, fuck off if you unironically want shopclick back.

>>715802471
With AMD hardware

>>715801024
Unfortunately co-op games are what sells. I fully expect to see Helldivers 2: Forma de 40k announced in the near future after Spess Mehreen 2 exceeded expectations.

>>715802601
Why do they always launch their game or release some big patch right before they take their month long vacation instead of immediately after?
Happens every fucking time with swede devs.

I like tech priests.
Do you like tech priests?

>>715802601
Their development pipeline is in general just horrendous. Fatshark is either understaffed or inefficient as fuck. Same issue with them taking ages to release anything has continued from the very first Vermintide.

>>715802960
we have shopclick now you fucking retard. Also you have no idea what gacha is, brown idiot

>>715802834
SM2's PvP was honestly pretty good considering how obvious it is that it was slapped together at the last minute. With bigger lobbies and more modes we could have an Eternal Crusade that wasn't dogshit.

I'm still holding out for an IG v Traitor Guard/Cultists v Orks Planetside 2-style game before I die.

>>715800940 (OP)
Did they nerf vet again?

>>715803535
Blame nordic worker unions and social democrats.
T. Northern Yuropoor.

>>715802834
>>Autistic grind in darktide for the le perfect builds!
this has been gone for a long time, the only thing you have to depend on RNG for is curios
everything else is accessible in the crafting system, I'd say it's actually now marginally better than VT2's system since you can just upgrade straight to max rarity instead of grinding loot boxes for reds

>>715803637
roll for your blessings gachapiggie

>>715803574
I hope that the next DLC class is a tech acolyte.

>>715804113
But there's no rolling for blessings anymore with the mastery system.

>>715804113
not a thing anymore

>>715803678
Would have enjoyed it more if they enabled shoulder swap. Your entire lefthand side being a blindspot feels like shit when you are fighting in narrow corridors.

>>715800940 (OP)
It was a fun game, but had to wait too long for updates. Haven't touched it in over a year and I've moved on. HellDivers 2 has added more content in 1 year than Darktide has in 3yrs.

>>715804186
>>715804245
well shit

>>715803916
hahahahahahaha I love this picture can I save it??

>>715804165
Skitarii DLC?
>>715804471
Yes you may.

>>715801058
>normalfag-tier crafting system making the looting obsolete
Are you mentally retarded? The hamster wheel system present before just made people play the armoury lottery and hope they didn’t get fucked by Hadron, or wait until Melk had something not worthless.
Loot was almost always complete shit.
>b-but minmaxxers!
Shut the FUCK up. A power sword without cycling was worthless. A thunder hammer that didn’t have damage against unyielding couldn’t do the one job it was good for, and without carapace and Thrust couldn’t even one shot a crusher. It still can’t, but at least now you can change it to the mandatory baseline.

>>715803617
I'd say both Vermintides had better cadence. Still slow, but they at least got new maps.

>>715804416
The only actual rng element now is rolling 60% on your weapon's dump stat, but it's super easy to do and only costs the basic money currency. Go to the armory and keep buying the same weapon until you get the one with the correct stats.

>>715804629
yeah, so change the looting system to be like vermintide instead of just giving up and letting normalfags craft the meta shit from the get go?

>>715804579
Skitarii are pretty much combat servitors, right? Not really a good choice character chatter.

>>715801058
>>release a broken class
arbites is mildly overpowered but in general this game is not hard
still not as strong as ogryn
>>normalfag-tier crafting system making the looting obsolete
what the fuck is a "normalfag-tier crafting system", what the hell does that even mean
do you genuinely want to go back to pure RNG slop? it was fucking horrible and VT2 wasn't like that
they said from initial release that the crafting system was "coming soon" and hadron just had a big "sorry, nothing" message for months
it's not like they decided to implement crafting after backlash, they're just retarded and lazy
>>715804779
>so change the looting system to be like vermintide instead of just giving up and letting normalfags craft the meta shit from the get go?
you unironically want to go back to lootboxes and re-roll spam, fucking kill yourself
you could get perfect weapons in VT2 very quickly anyway, you just had to keep re-rolling the stats on an orange

>>715804857
>Skitarii operative techno babbles and constantly praises the omnisiah during missions in the most autistic way possible
I beg to differ anon.

>>715804779
What the fuck are you talking about?
Both Vermintide games give you the option to have exactly what traits you feel like, with the sole exception of red weapons in 1.
If you're going to say that they require resources to reroll, so does Darktide, and unlike vermintide it requires either a time investment before you can even get the precise traits/blessings or enough money to buy armoury weapons and donate them. The only people who can roll up and get the precise weapon they want are those that have played long enough to have the resources already.

It costs literal millions of credits to get everything you want if you start from 0 weapon mastery

>>715805087
>just let me craft the meta shit bro, I dont want to actually play the game for longer than 2 hours a day! I just want to chill and shieeet
fuck off normalfag, go watch a marvel movie or whatever

The AdMech character should be a Reclaimator

>>715804857
I think they are a rung above average combat servitors and still get to retain their mental faculties.
Even if that weren’t the case you could still get creative with it. Note that even in the game servitors vary a bit in terms of personality, the shopkeeper ones are completely lobotomized robots but the medical ones are cognizant enough to bemoan their existence.

>>715805253
Why?

>>715805192
You have either a shit memory or are a posturing newfag throwing everything at the wall to white knight a roll system.
By the time you hit 30 you'd have all the resources you'd need to get a perfectly rolled orange weapon in VT2.
VT1 required getting incredibly lucky for the first game, but that got changed after the first year, so unless you played 1 on launch and took a nearly decade long break to play Darktide, all the shit you're bitching about has been in the previous games already.

Just drop the pretense, it's fucking embarrassing to watch.

>>715800940 (OP)
It’s still not remotely as good as Vermintide 2. The quickplay map rotation is like 3 maps, there’s a total of four classes with cookiecutter builds and the horde mode is literally just two maps. In fact VT2 has gotten more content than DT during the past 3 years.

>>715800940 (OP)
pulling the handbrake on live service so they can develop the consoles version
consoles have done insane amounts of damage to vidya development, look at ready or not for a recent example

>>715805482
New storymode mentions Hadron looking for archeotech on one mission.

>>715805192
You are mentally a rat.
Imagine defending skinnerbox mechanics that only existence to force engagement and waste your time. This is why no co-op shooter has ever usurped L4D.

>>715803308
My 9800X3D performs just as good as a 14900K. It obviously should do slightly better, but it’s far from bad.

>>715805619
>making up excuses for Fartshart
muh console port does not explain three years of content drought

>>715805490
are you pretending to be retarded or what's your play here? getting resources to craft the gear is much more difficult in vermintide, and you need luck. In darktide you use gold to reroll the perks/blessings to get exactly what you want. To upgrade the item in vermintide you would have to had salvaged a lot of equipment previously looted. Did you even play these games?

>>715805660
Well... Yes. She is a Technoarcheologist afterall. I just don't understand why that would make Reclaimator a better fit than a Skitarii?

>>715800940 (OP)
Because the game was 3 years underbaked when they released it.

>>715805482
They fit the Reject theme well, they're low level scavengers that nobody likes but they do the jobs nobody else dares to take but need to, gives them plenty of room for personalities and story threads while still being classic Admech
>Reclaimators themselves are often sent into dangerous or unsafe areas with little direct supervision, and they scavenge and salvage a good deal more than their masters know.
Atoma seems like a great place for sneaky Admech shenanigans given what we know of Hadron and her pursuits, and Hereteks are a built in foil for Reclaimators by design which would make them great enemies to come with the class update, or at least an interesting narrative note

>>715801024
where the FUCK is Battlefield 40,000?

>>715806001
Since you're a mental midget, let me spell it out for you.
The resources in Vermintide are irrelevant because the game throws so much at you that you can functionally choose whatever weapon you want by the time you hit 30. 3 items per box, a bonus box on level, and 5 characters that need to be raised to 30.
The randomness is meaningless unless you're the kind of retard that wastes all their resources while levelling.
The only exception is if you played fucking veteran for the majority of the game, in which case who the fuck cares what weapon you're using.

>>715806232
eternal crusade :o)

>>715806370
OK so do it again but this time do it good

>>715806356
cool, so while you can craft 1 meta weapon in vt2 at level 30, in darktide you can craft both weapons and all the curios for dirt cheap before you even hit 30. Stop embarrassing yourself

>>715801024
Full PvP is too hard to sell now and if the lobbies are too sweaty, all the casuals abandon it. PvE/co-op is the new "hop on after work" game mode.

>>715806514
Source it out to a random no-name studio again? Sure can do little buddy.

>>715804857
They get a bunch of physical augments, like having their legs chopped off, but they retain a mostly unaugmented mind. Save for networking them together.
Doctrine is basically, "Do what the techpriest in charge says, exactly. But have enough independent thought to do shit when he's not directly giving orders" So they even still have morale and shit.

>>715806561
>1 meta weapon
a property reroll costs 1 green dust and 1 blue dust.
a trait reroll costs 1 orange dust
an upgrade costs 1 dust of the relevant colur.
Salvaging an item gives you one dust of the relevant colour
Are you really sure you want to admit to beingthe kind of shitter you're implying you are right now?

>>715806232
i would rather not have nu dice lay their tentacles on such a good concept

>>715806802
yeah the looting is important since you want the orange colour so if you dont get a good roll you can eventually craft whatever you want, which is a much better system than the slop we have in darktide. Is spamming these reddit pictures the only value you can bring into this discussion?

>>715806232
PvP is gay

>>715806978
>JUST LET ME GAMBLE
Go play a gacha game, retard.

>>715801024
Pretty much nobody into 40k is going to give a fuck about PvP. Anyone who likes Warhammer is going to want to see and interact with the universe in their Warhammer video games. This is just not possible in PvP, in PvP everything is about meta & mechanics (copied from whatever is currently the most popular normalfag PvP skinner box) and killing the other guy quickest and most effectively, there is no room for appreciation of the setting beyond just having a thin 40k veneer on top of some generic PvP normalfag feed.

Doesn't SM2 have some PvP mode? Go play that.

>>715806978
You can craft whatever you want in DT too. All it takes is having enough resources, the only RNG is in the stat bars which you can brute-force by buying white weapons until you get what you want. It's extremely annoying but overall you can craft yourself whatever weapon you want in like 10 minutes.

>>715807140
>JUST LET ME HAVE THE STRONGEST TOYS
go watch a movie, normalnigger.

>>715806978
Which you ought to have because even champion vaults give orange weapons, and you'll have plenty of them before hitting 30.
Why the fuck are you dying on a hill that makes it clear you were so fucking shit at the game that you didn't have the resources already? Anyone not utter dogshit at the game will easily outfit their careers with ideal weapons. All darktide did was make the process less tedious.
And don't get mad that I can post images without outing myself as an itoddler. It's unbecoming

>>715801058
the eternal grind for weapons that werent dogshit were the worst part about this game.
If a video game has to rely on grinding to keep you playing, then it isn't worth your time.

>>715807057
t. profound skill issue

>>715807224
>Me: lovingly crafts the perfect Plasma gun with my own two hands
>You: scrounges in the dirt for 15 years to find an imperfectly rolled off meta weapon
Gee I wonder which one is more fun?
Faggot

>>715807224
>screams "JUST LET ME HAVE THE STRONGEST TOYS"
>gets them
Based?

>>715807234
you out yourself as a reddit with these shitty "memes"
Also, like the redditor you are, you seem to make this discussion about me for literally no reason with your ad hominems. When did I say that I've never had enough resources to craft? It's just a better system allowing you to play with the looted gear instead of crafting something thats 100% meta because it's dirt cheap. There is no reason not to craft something in darktide even if you are like 1% off the best stat distribution

>>715807363
At this point it's clear he just wants the dopamine hit of a roll. Everything else is secondary.
Just look at how many retarded hoops he's jumping through to try claiming VT2 didn't make it trivial to get meta weapons

>>715807461
>crafts the meta weapon
>OH MY GOOOD IT'S SOOOO FUUUUN
>replay the same missions using the same gear
>get bored and play something else
yeah, a much better system
kill yourself

>>715806232
Space marines would act like Droidika in New Battlefront 2 and you'd need to earn points in the match to play them, the type of marine depends on the match and it's limited to 3 per team, the Opfor would be T'au and they get mechs as the mirror since T'au and guard fight normal

!!! Attention !!!
this faggot >>715801058 has been baiting and trolling for several weeks saying this exact shit over and over and over again. He doesn't have any real opinions, he's just looking for attention by posting the most retarded dogshit takes you can imagine.
You can easily recognize his post because he uses "normalfag" and "reddit" as his go-to insults.
His only goal is to waste your time.

>fun
sad to see such impressionable anons think fartshark could ever redeem their mistakes

>>715806214
That is a fair point. I'm just wondering that do tech priest normally fight themselves, isn't that what the Skitarii are for? Also the Admech hierarchy seems a bit wacky. Engiseer Kayex is clearly much older than Hadron which would indicate superiority of rank? But technoarcheologists are more revered than engiseers?
>Atoma seems like a great place for sneaky Admech shenanigans
Sefoni talks about some Magos Biologis rolling about in Atoma, but it's all hush hush, if I'm not mistaken.

>>715807537
>When did I say that I've never had enough resources to craft?
>bitch about darktide giving players meta weapons easily
>when idealising a system that also gives players meta weapons just as easily if you aren't shit
gee fucking wiz, itoddler, I wonder
And an insult isn't an ad hominem, you fucking retard. Neither is stating the fact that only someone shit wouldn't be able to get a meta weapon with ease

I still prefer rato click

>>715807648
refer to
>>715807363
if you're only interested in the game because of the grind, it's time to get a job

>>715807648
>He doesn't find the game inherently fun
>Only the dopamine of the ROOOOLLLLLLLLL
Just stick to gacha, nigger

>>715807763
>saying something is better means you are idealising something
alright, so you weren't pretending

>>715805585
>The quickplay map rotation is like 3 maps
why are you lying?
There are 23 missions, 9 active at the same time.

>>715807648
for sure a game I'm not having fun playing would be worth playing if I got to roll for chances to get 2% more damage to unyielding

>>715807805
>prefer the combat of Darktide
>but VT2 has more weapon variety, more classes, better maps, an actual roguelite mode, more content to do overall
wish I could live in the timeline where Darktide got anywhere near the same love and attention and wasn’t forced out the door to sell cosmetics.

>>715804579
almost certainly the next one in the pipe

>>715807971
DT's biggest problem in my opinion is the server system

>>715807648
I actually enjoy playing the video game part of the video game, not the rolling on guns so they come out with better numbers part of the video game. As far as I'm concerned, they should just give me the weapons to pick and choose from by default so I can play whatever I have fun with and whatever I feel like picking.

This is not Diablo, it doesn't actually need chasing numbers on guns and latrine shovels to be fun, it has actual gameplay.

I'm happy you've found your audience, rng-loot-kun. I hope these (you)s will bring peace and calm in your life.
That said, stay the fuck out and keep to /v/, you double faggot

>>715807763
You're arguing with a troll. He's retarded on purpose to annoy you.

>>715808079
>a gasha thread died for this
>am so angry I type like a woman

>>715800940 (OP)
>Arbite on the hardest difficulty is easier than psyker on malice
It's honestly crazy

>>715807721
>>715808120
I'd argue that someone autistic enough to consistently pretend to be retarded for months (since he's been at it since the change) is no longer pretending. They're just retarded in a different way than how they present themselves

>>715807648
I remember having this mindset in my teenage years when I really gained agency but before I entered the workforce. Man did did it all change quick

>>715808206
you might be right, but the end result is still the same. Might as well argue with chatGPT because a retard will not change his opinions.

>>715807648
Casinotard, this is embarrassing even for you.

>>715808189
As are Ogryn and Zealot.
People will still demand Arbite nerfs instead of suggesting Psyker be elevated to be anything but a bubble bitch slave.

Seeing these reddit-tier memes honestly makes me sick. The actual discussion is also on the normalfag level with constand ad hominems and making it about you and me. "People" like you have ruined this site

>>715808189
yep
psyker is the highest skill demanding class

>>715800940 (OP)
Still not as good as VT2 and won't ever be.
Melee-focused combat > Ranged-focused combat
Actual characters > Custom characters
Fantasy > Grimdark
Don't @ me.

>>715803574
I like tech priests but they're difficult as fuck to paint.

Oh, and their binaric chanting is pretty cool

>>715805192
grind is boring
i have 3k hours in warframe, 800 in vermintide, 1200 in DRG and I've got almost 200 in darktide
i'm over it
I don't mind grinding levels but grinding gear is simply boring
I want to get my shit and then go play the game
I don't need to be incentivized with shiny things, battlepasses, prestige levels or chasing an extra 1% DPS, I just want to play, and perfect gear lets me play without being held back by arbitrary limits
ultimately, you're the one coming off as a normalfag, needing to feel incentivized to play a video game instead of just playing it because it's fun
i bet you wish darktide had dailies too, faggot

>>715808491
>3k hours in warframe
>1200 in drg
>calling anyone a normalfag
dude, unironically kill yourself. Or at the very least use reddit, it's more up your speed

>>715807750
Skitarii make up a good chunk of the Admech military but they're still commanded by Techpriests, and if you're a named/player character you're going to be a fighter in some capacity in this setting, there is only war after all
If you consider the basic Enginseer, they're so ubiquitous across all branches of the Imperium that they inevitably have to fight alongside the Guard and anyone else they work with
>Kayex and Hadron
It's worth remembering that Hadron is part of Grendyl's cohort (Inquisition) while Kayex serves Brahms (Rogue Trader), so even if they are ranked differently in the eyes of the Admech, their current assignments are what's relevant, so I'd assume Hadron probably 'outranks' Kayex in most cases given Atoma's current situation

>>715808383
Honestly I'd rather everyone gets brought to a consistent but asymmetrical level. The problem is that Havoc has completely fucked the baseline, so if they keep balancing around that the entire game will be piss easy.
I've not so much as struggled in a Maelstrom game for weeks

>>715808654
I've been clean of warframe for over 5 years and you're a nigger for hating DRG

>>715803535
That's not Sweden, that's Fat Shark. They're just a dog shit developer.

>>715808491
based

>The grind is bad because games are supposed to be played for 2 hours everyday to turn your brain off after work
I hope normalfags will fuck off and plague another hobby one day

>>715808829
If you can't enjoy playing a game for the sake of playing the game and need RNG, then you don't really like the game. You are a gambling addict.
No better than a cheaters in tf2 Mann vs Machine, who are also just gambling.

>>715808829
it's time to grow up or give up
you're the outlier here

>>715809087
you know that different games offer different experiences? Playing a coop game where you smash hordes of shitty AI ad nuseam gets boring after a while since the only challenge there is is the dogshit AI. If you are a sentient human being, that is.

>>715809279
>it's time to accept that the sun orbits around the Earth Copernicus
>you are the outlier here

>>715809291
>the game is boring, i need to have artificial sources of engagement to keep playing
sounds like you just don't like the game

>>715809291
why are you even in this thread if you don’t like horde shooters on a fundamental level?

>use taunt
>walk through 10 gunners
>still have full toughness by the time I'm in nonce bashing range
Fucking hell, do I really have to go to Havoc if I want to play this build?

>>715809406
>>715809448
I like the co-op aspect but how are you supposed to enjoy the exact same shit for more than 100 hours if there aren't any mechanics to keep you engaged?

>>715809604
I find. The gameplay. Fun.

>>715809448
>why are you even in this thread if you don’t like horde shooters on a fundamental level?
He's trolling. This is how he gets his daily dose of dopamine.

>>715809658
how many hours a day do you play. Dont respond if you are playing with friends

>>715809604
I dunno ask anyone who has 100+ hours in L4D or KF or any other co-op game that doesn’t string you along with rng item drops.

>>715809291
>Playing a coop game where you smash hordes of shitty AI ad nuseam gets boring
So you don't like the game. Just like I said.

>>715809563
im afraid so. The only thing that can stop you is a trapper + 3 useless teammates

>>715808829
I play all day every day, but with the amount of games that come out every year, you have to reassess what is worth your time and what isn't. Having to play a game with dogshit weapons just chasing after the carrot on the stick isn't worth it.

If you haven't found games that are more enjoyable you either aren't looking or don't really even like video games and are just stuck in a routine because you don't know what else to do with yourself

>>715809696
The truly sad part about it all is that there are enough gacha addicts out there than someone like this could theoretically exist in all sincerity.

>>715809604
>how are you supposed to enjoy this game if it isn't a skinnerbox

>>715809720
not him but I play one to three games a day so like an hour or two, sometimes none when I'm playing other games
I have been doing that for a while just for the fun of it, I don't need any weapons or materials or whatever. I don't even do those gay weeklies. I have 900 hours. Just for the record I have not bought a single cosmetic either.

it's okay for a game to not be an autistic MMO tier grind that requires you to play 20 hours a day if it's actually fun at the base.

>>715810039
i'm the same way
Haven't found any other games with equally good gameplay so I've just been darktideing 1-3 missions per day.

Tried Killing Floor 3. It's a disaster. Real sad.

>>715800940 (OP)
Needs more content

>>715809963
look, I like perks/being able to build your character BUT I don't find just smashing the AI with my build interesting. Or at the very least I'd like to smash it with other people, but then I'd like to be able to buff up my teammates and be buffed up by them. POE is known for the build autism but smashing AI is boring. Darktide has auras and other co-op elements but the crafting makes looting obsolete, so you are left with just the perk trees which is meh. Maybe Dead by Daylight would suit my style, but there aren't really that many games to fill this niche

>>715810149
Saw it coming a mile away. Tripwire is a joke.

>>715801024
Dawn of War is right there.

>>715811010
this.
Dawn of War 1 and 2 are both good for multiplayer. I know some people hate on 2 but imo it has aged extremely well.

Killing Floor 3 should’ve been the easiest slam dunk in vidya history.
Class based horde shooters have never been more popular and mainstream. The foundation is all already there, take the formula of the original and retool the movement and gunplay to modern standards and it would’ve sold like hotcakes.
I cannot fathom how it’s even possible to fuck that up.

>>715812604
easy: have the studio filled with useless retards who pushed out the ones who actually did any work

>>715812604
2 already did that and set the bar higher than what the team working on 3 is capable of reaching.

>>715812604
Same thing happened with Payday 3. Changing shit for the sake of changing shit (having way less content than the previous game also didn't help)

>>715809604
I have 500 hours on L4D2, 300 hours on Destiny 2, and 200 on Space Marine 2, and 100 in Darktide. I like the gameplay loops. Might I suggest seeing a doctor to treat your ADHD?

>>715813708
how many of these were with your friends?
>destiny
literal mmorpg with grind, retard

>>715812604
One of the big problems the devs of this genre face is working on one title for too long and then having to one up it, especially when people forget the often janky state they tend to be in at the start.
Darktide was honestly a good idea as a way to leapfrog from vermintide 2-3 while managing expectations, but they then went and overdid the managing expectations part.

>>715800940 (OP)
Swedestani work ethic
Refusal to learn from previous projects thus having to reinvent the wheel
Chasing microtransaction shekels

>>715811183
I miss the last stand so much

I think PvP sucks

Can I make my reject look like less of a crackhead yet?

>>715813891
>working on one title for too long and then having to one up it
People expect what is effectively a sequel to have at least the same amount of features as the previous title. You've already built the feature, porting it doesn't take as much time as building it from scratch.
I get that a sequel won't have as many maps, maybe not even as many classes and lower amount of content in general. But Darktide's launch in specific was egregiously bare bones compared to what even the lowest of expectations should have been.
And it all could have been salvaged if the swedes buckled down and said "all right, we launched a bit early, we're going to put in some effort and bring it up to your expectations" and got it up to speed within the first year. But instead half the studio continued to work on Vermintide 2, at least 4 maps and a half baked vs mode, and the other half went on vacation for 6 months.

Its nice to see Darktide finally in a state I can recommend it to people, but it should not have taken as long as it did, and it would have significantly more popular if they had actually put in the work.

Does this game still run like absolute shit?

This game was originally gonna come out in 2020 or 2021

>>715804579
Techpriest would be a more ideal class since it'll de facto have access to the Skitarii arsenal and also more elite weapons unavailable to Skitarii. They'd also have more eccentric personalities to banter with and elite status similar to the Arbites.
Also, an oopsie by their marketing team ha them release a teaser for Admech rad weapons potentially being added for the basic classes, which they then covered up by claiming it was referring to the plasmagun. This would imply at one point Skitarii weapons were planned to become generic weapons/new vet-exclusive weapons, which could still be a possibility.

>>715814951
Leaks are weird, especially old ones.
At one point there were leaks/datamines associated with a class system more similar to VT2's, before they went with the skill tree spec system, with Ogryn getting a gunlugger spec and Vet getting some sort of drone based system.
Its obvious the Vet's drone was reworked into the Aby's dog. So who knows what those weapons ended up as, or whether they're going to be reworked in the future.

I think a low level admech is definitely a good next step for a new class. But I think some people are expecting a full on mechadendrite wielding techpriest, but a low level acolyte is probably more likely. Like someon up thread was speculating, someone on Atoma here to salvage tech, or just an apprentice to Hadron would fit.

>>715815295
They really shot themselves in the foot by having the players be disposable retards, since now you have arbites being treated like shit and any follow up character will presumably have a similar reception.
There really ought to be a cut off point where the PCs are treated as standard goons, with the DLC classes getting that treatment by default.

>>715800940 (OP)
Power tier list:
Ogryn = Arbites > zealot > psyker > veteran

>>715815609
In the hub once you're level 30 most of the random guards will say pretty approving stuff of you.
And the voiceover for the missions is mostly just gruff, and not that rude anymore.
I think they legit are trying to sanitize it to make it work.

They definitely are doing /something/ with the radio chatter anyway. They're constantly adding lines to it, since they figured out the between character chatter is kinda shit and and people liked VT2's chatter so much (2 years too late).

>>715815835
I don't play Havoc or super meta shit, so maybe I'm just uninformed.
But shout Vet is my go to class for force feeding my barely sapient friends a win and I can't do that with any other class, even book Zealot.

>>715815835
>>715815970
I've found it depends on the group.
A psyker beats a veteran in a good group by being a force multiplier, but a veteran is far more independently useful even with retards.
Zealot can both tard wrangle and better take advantage of good groups, but unlike ogryn and arbites, they still actually need a group rather than facerolling everything outside havoc

>zealot build is shotgun+heavy sword
>ogryn buils is shotgun+shovel
>who cares about the others lol

Will I like arbites?

>>715818184
>ogryn buils is shotgun+shovel
what did he mean by this?

>>715818379
Im not terminally online so sometimes after work I am rightfully tired and dont proofread for every single typo

>>715818590
s-sorry, sometimes I get too excited to post a joke and don't stop for a sec to check if it's funny
I hope you'll have a relaxing evening playing favorite vidya today

>>715804252
yeah no shoulder swap in a pvp tps with no cover system was a bonehead mistake. there was some general balance issues and just a lack of maps as well. at its core it was still pretty fun though

>>715818184
Shotgun is utterly busted on Arbites, so probably. He also gets a shield and mini shotgun

>>715818834
Well I want to drive a semi truck filled to the brim with fertilizer straight through an indian scam call center right now and I'm just little bit stressed

Me I've been autistically grinding penances and masteries, just got done maxing the veteran, that shit takes a while

>>715819062
It was marksman's stance, wasn't it?
Mortis trials were a godsend for bashing that one out without resorting to crabwalking

>>715818590
Everyone works, and only you somehow come up with the gayest excuse for not being able to type I've ever witnessed.
Faggot.

>>715818184
Yeah. Executioner shotgun kicks ass, combat shotgun and double barrel are still good on him too.
Crusher works good on him, outclassed by the new shock mauls imo but it’s still there if you really want it.

>>715818184
>>who cares about the others lol
>he doesn't use a double barrel weapon master build

>>715819235
100 games played is by far what took the longest

just got to heretic and i feel i need to properly build gear now. playing all vanilla classes, shits gay i have to grind weapons per class.
should i gamble on getting a free high level gun and upgrade that or bring one up from scratch. there so much sub-stat dont even know what to prioritize.

>>715820498
Unless you get a truly dogshit distribution on a vital stat for the weapon, I wouldn't worry about the base stats.
Also you can just keep buying out the armoury to boost a weapon up once you've got the funds.

>>715800940 (OP)
Your first fatshark game, huh?

>>715820498
>i feel i need to properly build gear now
You really don't need proper builds until auric and maelstroms. Just use sensible talents. With 350 purple weapons at lvl 20+ you should manage damnation. Don't upgrade relics until they are 300+ at least, it's a waste.

>>715819237
You are brown
>>715819536
Spamming both barrels with the reload speed blessings/perk is the only way to make it fun but it chews up ammo. I also prefer pump because I can still clear crowds and load a slug for when some annoying elite or special is too far

>>715806591
Based.
Pvp sweats belong in DOTA2 & CSGO along with cache bots, russians and other subhuman scum.

>>715800940 (OP)
It took them 2 years, though. You haven’t lived until your combat knife-ing through hordes as a Zealot and twirling it around like it’s fucking CS2.

Not to mention the bolt pistol, bolt rifle, Flamer, chain sword, and heavy chainsword.

>introduce a sick new power GS with a toggle mechanic for the energized mode
>this works much more similar to how they work in lore
>refuse to quickly adapt the same system for Veteran's power sword
Swedish people should be chained to their work desks and beaten twice a day at the very least

>>715821238
>casual normalfag calling anyone else a subhuman
can't make this shit up

>>715823009
Did I struck a nerve, Ivan?

>>715813881
Only destiny, and that was because my friends needed another player. Every PvE game is grindy and regardless of if its an mmo or not, its still killing bots with guns.

>>715800940 (OP)
it's snowing in sweden

is it still the duelling sword meta?

>>715823657
yes

>>715823778
I'm still not homosexual enough for havoc teams it seems

>Arbite skill tree still busted.
Fat Salmon was a mistake

>>715803574
Adeptus mechanicus are cool as fuck

>>715808491
Based.

>>715801058
110% this
My buddy who, may God forgive him, browses reddit said for me to come on and play the game it is playable now.

I play one round with him and he is flailing around with the new paid dlc class that has a shield a dog and instant regenerating shields on block. He was high and in a corner the whole time not doing objectives and just running around in a daze just letting his dog kill things and watching it as he blocks. I uninstalled the game and told him that the game doesn't really sit well with me.

>>715800940 (OP)
>It's been out for 3 years
Damn does time fly. I played it on release and was waiting for them to update the game more before I came back, and I guess I must have REALLY waited. Is it worth getting back into after 3 years of updates? Or have they hardly done dick with the game?

>>715803916
This image understands me

Been climbing havoc. FatShart taking their sweet time releasing genestealers.

>>715801024
Go play SM2 retard

>>715826548
they only release things when GW approves of it

>>715801024
>pvp
I just want a good singleplayer WH40K game that isn't a cheap cashgrab with zero depth thrown together by some polish company instead of muh multiplayer slop

considering vermintide was never fun i assume darktide isnt either and you people are just tastelettes

>>715804629
Fatshark has a perpetual misunderstanding of how their own combat system works and probably thinks the concept of breakpoints is too complex for casuals.

is this gacha game still not free?

>>715826608
For some reason darktide runs fine but SM2 is atrocious with sound bugs and the ground looking like Minecraft

>>715805192
You're a nigger.

Some weapons just don't work past the beginner difficulties unless they can hit specific breakpoints. Breakpoints are so fucking important and I eternally rage over the fact that game developers don't seem to grasp them as a concept.

Abrams ult is absolutely useless
>10h windup
>gets bugged by every little shitty object
>no damage
>cant even get a hmc off on a target that you ulted with a 3-2,5min cd before they can parry

>>715827762
Wtf another darktide deadlock player

>>715827762
oh merde...

when are they going to pull their heads out of their asses and let you equip two different guns?
>hurr let's make a game about the 2nd worst melee faction in the setting but force you to use your melee weapon all the time as a joke

>>715828250
Too late you are framed un pt'it kebab chef ?

can't have anything good in this world

>>715829294
COLLAPSING

>>715801058
>looting
lol
lmao even

>>715807648
>>get bored and play something else
well yeah. loved nightreign. just did everything in MH Wilds. now i'm looking at Darktide, knowing that i will get board with it and move on. thats how it works.

>>715808491
whats DRG? im looking for games to play

Does Darktide have just a normal guardsman grunt character or a sororitas? Sort of turned off of the game since the abhuman mutant filth is so present in the games marketing. I've pretty much done everything I can in Space Marine 2 save for getting every class to max prestiege.

>>715809741
what is KF

>>715800940 (OP)
Implying it's fun now

>>715808491
>I want to get my shit and then go play the game
This resonates with me on a spiritual level, I got maxed out gear and best stats for trinkets and weapons 50 hours in in vermintide 2 and played that game for 759 hours using the same gear I got 709 hours ago, I put 164 hours into Darktide and I can't even be fucked to launch it because I need to grind mastery levels if I want to try a different build
Same with SM2, if I want to play a different class I gotta do the weapon mastery/class level grind and after 43 hours I couldn't be assed

>>715835563
deep rock galactic
>>715835715
killing floor

>>715835590
Marksman Veteran is the generic guardsman class

>>715835872
>I need to grind mastery levels
If you have a bunch of diamantine and money you can just buy 20/30 white quality versions of whatever weapon you want at the vendor, upgrade them all to green at Hadron, and then sacrifice them all for fucktons of exp.
Potentially expensive if you don’t have a ton of the resources already but it saved me a ton of time.

>>715836237
Plasteel, rather. I don’t even think you need to use cubes to upgrade to green.

>>715835872
I think the 40k universe just isn't a fun setting to make a game in

>>715836004
appreciate it

>>715805674
>>715808491
Without grind, there is no reason to play any mission more than once.

>>715800940 (OP)
how did they fuck up the dog so bad when necromancer sienna showed summons don't have to play the game for you?

Give me ONE reason why the game has to be 80 gigs.
I am not lacking storage nor download bandwidth. This download size is just unacceptable for a game like this.
Ratclick 2 is 66gb and that is ridiculous as well.
What the fuck, I hate swedes.
>t. finnish lapland

>>715837362
They have to pack the newest meme GPU companies are trying to push at all times
>left 4 dead 2 is only 14 gigs

>>715823124
>china not numba one
CHINA NUMBA ONE!