Thread 715807532

So it's just greed??

not greed....sneed.

>>715807532 (OP)
it always was

they have no real competition, an allowed monopoly, if only intel wasn't dogshit

If they could charge you for breathing, they would.

>>715807579
epic xD

>>715807532 (OP)
At what point do we collectively drag these corponiggers out of their executive offices and burn them alive on a pile if tires? Including the families too because their entire bloodline is polluted with narcassism and psychopathy.

The cost per individual die is in the double digits (maybe low triple for larger chips like Blackwell). 80% of any modern GPU is markup; or 99% in the case of workstation GPUs that are sold for tens of thousands of shekels.

What, you couldn't figure it out on your own? DLSS is a scam.

>>715808251
B580 is an excellent budget catd though & can be gotten on sale for half tjr price of a 4060

>>715808571
>bro still thinks it's CEOs making those decisions and not the shareholders
If you want to drag somebody to the guillotines, do it with the "investors."

>>715807532 (OP)
>TSMC produces almost all high performance silicon in the world
>$50 billion profit

>Nvidia produces AI GPUs and sometimes gaming GPUs
>$50 billion profit

I wonder who's doing the markups

>>715807532 (OP)
>"le free market is le good" people when they get robbed by corporations making shit up to increase prices for the 100th time this week

>>715807532 (OP)
TSMC isn't why nvidia is charging 3 times the cost of the materials for a card.

>>715807532 (OP)
Its shareholders. Shareholders are the problem with every big company.

>>715808303
You're joking but I remember reading about a retarded carbon tax proposition that wanted to include the average CO2 emitted for an average human by breathing in its calculation.

The waiting game is unbeatable, you fuckers forget businesses have to operate in the moment. You're not going anywhere, you lose nothing by waiting.

>>715807532 (OP)
Always has been.

>>715807532 (OP)
Yes. Prices rose during coof times because of shortages for components and the desire to mine crypto, and they just haven't gone back down because... they just don't want to because clearly people will still keep buying them anyway.

>>715807532 (OP)
Always has been

>>715807532 (OP)
Somehow Samsung and Intel are incapable of competing with TSMC
What kind of super humans is TSMC employing?

>>715808759
Investors, shareholders, CEOS I thought corponiggers would be a broad enough term for these suit wearing fucks out of touch with reality and view the working class as subhuman filth. Them and their families need to be purged because their genetics hold nothing but evil.

>>715807532 (OP)
You don't need a high-end GPU. The greed goes both ways.

>>715809513
Aren't we the righteous little freedom fighter. Such based behaviour.

>>715809193
TSMC is doing good things but Intel and Samsung have been shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly for a decade.

>>715808571
Given that they have complete control over the media and flow of information, literally not until it gets to France 1789 levels of inequality, suffering, and future uncertainty for the common man and their families.
And they’re frankly so terrified of that happening they’ll just keep us squeezed enough to wring as much value out of us as possible but not enough to question the status quo or how things could be better while distracting us from the existential class-war they’ve been waging against us for centuries.

>>715809078
It was never a joke.

>>715809726
Luigi showed us that violence actually works. Making these scumbags actually afraid to get an early appointment to meet their maker works, making them scared that their constant greed and complete disregard for their fellow man, the environment and lessening general quality of life has actual consequences, SHOCKING.

>>715810075
I think the Epstein files debacle really opened the eyes to normalfags to just how corrupted and putrid the bodies of government really are. Not to mention the constant noticing content being poured into Instagram and Tik Tok by grass roots online users. The narrative is getting harder and harder to control and once the boomer Israeli whore fucks finally die off the younger generations will have zero sympathy for these satanic pedophiles.

>>715807532 (OP)
No, since "greed" is always 100%. Its not a variable. Companies don't wake up one day and say "Hmm, I think today I'd like to make less money".
Graphics cards are expensive right now because there is a huge demand for them, especially in datacenters. I use AWS at work and we sometimes get throttled because there's not enough GPU type EC2 instances in my region that are powerful enough to deploy the LLMs we want.

>>715810710
Walt Disney and Henry Ford actually tried to do that because they already owned the factory and studio and were already wealthy so they didn't need excess profits and wanted to use it to pay their workers more but (((Dodge brothers))) created this bottomless greed number must go up every quarter we're dealing with now.

this thread is like that retarded communist comic that says things only cost their production costs to make and ignores all the fucking investment that goes into r&d and maintenance
absolute retards the lot of you

>>715811018
You're a kike.

>>715808571
For what "crime"? Charging dipshit PCmutts a price they're willing to pay? It's not their fault that "master racists" are stupid enough to buy whatever they shit out at whatever price they demand.

>>715808739
B580's chip is made at tsmc BTW

>>715808571
>At what point do we collectively drag these corponiggers out of their executive offices and burn them alive on a pile if tires?
Why? Because you can't buy a fucking toy?

>>715810217
The only thing you people care about is pleasure and comfort. Preferrably on someone else's dime.

>>715811083
yeah retard, ignore all the research that goes into making machines that work in the nanometer scale and then making all of that shit work with each other
it's just sand bro

>>715810075
In that case it won't take much since the french revolution was largely relegated to the capital region and fueled by the feverish written fantasies of abhorrent people like Marat and Robespierre

>>715811445
No I care for having the quality of life my grandparents had 60 years ago where we weren't slaves and hard work actually rewarded, but you already know that you boot licking faggot.

>>715811139
Intel is losing a lot of money with that chip, its huge for the performance it gives.

>>715811453
Denounce the talmud.

>>715807532 (OP)
>IT'S TSMC! NOT NVIDIA, APPLE, AMD, AND INTEL

>tfw westerners and westernized people are easily fanned into murderous fantasies because the shiny toy they desperately rely on for more dopamine is expensive.
You guys are not serious. Have fun griping until you die in obscurity, I guess.

>>715807532 (OP)
China should nuke them

>>715809540
The only reason games stop getting supported on older hardware is because new hardware comes out. The one causing the need for upgrades is the one with the responsibility to not be fucking greedy about it more than they already are just by existing.

>>715811534
No, I don't. I think you only care about more pleasure and comfort. All demands for "better quality of life" is just a cry for pleasure and comfort. A hedonic treadmill that must vonstantly go faster and faster until society can't keep up with demands. It's a disgusting, animalistic mindset and I can only hope to be reincarnated on some other planet when I die.

>>715809193
Cheap chink labor

>>715808571
America elected one as president and you think anybody will actually do anything about it? Corporations are our new god.

>>715808571
Why do zoomers keep saying "corpo"? Do they think they're a Cyberpunk character? Do they think it doesn't sound cringe?

>>715810536
>really opened the eyes to normalfags
yeah, sure, just like the last 50 times you said the exact same thing. normalfags do not give a single shit about corruption they just want to fucking grill.

>>715812051
The kike is afraid

>>715808759
Shareholders of publicly traded companies don't really make decisions, there's thousands or tens of thousands of them for each company and changes every second. You're never gonna get a consensus on any issue, which is why the only thing companies focus on is "line go up" and that attracts the most amoral people that are willing to do literally anything if they can get away with it to leadership positions

>>715812393
I agree with that sentiment. You can tell because he's pandering to the only people that care about "cringe". Either that or he's a zoomer himself.

Antisemites have got to be the stupidest race of all. Also, judaism is a dogshit religion, like all abrahamic demiurge worshippers who yearn to return to God's pleasure garden

>>715807532 (OP)
There is higher wealthy inequality today than during the Gilded Age, you are living in the greediest time ever recorded in human history

>>715807532 (OP)
Congrats, you figured it out. The GDP must grow perpetually at all costs. Now let me tell you a little something about the average rent relative to the cost of taxes, insurance, and maintenance for the building being rented that may shock you....

>>715807532 (OP)
The TSMC/ASML monopoly needs to be broken already. Someone who lives in the Netherlands should just leak ASML's machine blueprints to the chinks already to get us out of this hell.

>>715812848
Denounce the talmud.

>>715813282
>to the chinks
ew no
just build fabs in normal civilised countries

>>715807532 (OP)
>So it's just greed??
>40k per waffer
Yeah, half the reasons is them jacking up the prices because they have no competition.

>>715808571
You had the chance in 1934 but you chose Churchill's creditors instead.

>>715813282
The Chinese outright lack the mentality skills to make them and don't have precise enough machines to make them with.

>>715808571
If you killed all of them but kept the system the same the hyrdra's heads would just regrow.

>>715813784
Ehh not necessarily. If you remove all the narcassists and psychopaths we could go back to having empathetic owners like Henry Ford and Walt Disney again that actually value their workers and aren't heartless fucking demons that can only think of line go up.

>>715808759
U r a retard

>>715811929
>need
You don't need to play new games. You don't need to play any games. You only want to. That's greed

>>715807532 (OP)
always was

>>715807532 (OP)
>bitching about one of the few corporations focused on tangible production
>not the VC bubble "AI" retardation pumping their products to the stratosphere with the explicit purpose of replacing white collar labor in a deindustrialized economy
we get it, you're teenage r*dditors

>half their revenue is profit
funny

>>715813946
But they were exceptional because of how horribly the majority of bosses treated their workers. These people's actions are only exceptional because of the horrible context they acted within, which is also a product of the rules/laws/systems that incentivised and facilitated that state of affairs. You can find a few nice bosses today but they're only considered nice because of the context, which sucks ass on average.

>>715814453
You're a kike.

What makes TSMC so special that they're apparently the only company who can produce integrated circuits?

>>715810985
Wrong. Companies have to do what their owners want. If he didn't want to let other people control what the company does he shouldn't have sold the control over the company to them.
You took my money so you will do my bidding.

>>715814868
The US government spent 50 billion dollars over the past few years to bring chip manufacturing to the states but can't find enough workers who are smart enough to do the job.

>>715810536
The problem is that the normal fags can wake up for a bit because then they eventually go back to sleep. Just look at how the MAGA trend is already reversing to praising Trump again just because he will allow some stuff on Epistein to be released.

>>715807532 (OP)
No way! GPU manufacturers and designers are the good guys. They would never charge something that would get them more than 1% of a profit.

>>715814286
Kill yourself.

>>715813282
That won't do anything. There is no magic formula somewhere you can release to even the playgfield. The uniqueness of the companies in the high-end is not IP, it's the people working there.

>>715814839
yeah, kikes are well-known for their fundamental distaste for rent-seeking
dumb nigger

>>715810217
>Luigi showed us that violence actually works.
The dude he shot got replaced in a week and nothing has changed.
The rules of supply and demand don't change because you are upset.

>>715810217
>Luigi showed us that violence actually works
What changed, exactly? I wasn't aware healthcare in americais fixed now

>>715810985
Henry Ford didn't want to pay his shareholders (basically co owners) because they were setting up a rival company.
If you don't want to listen to shareholders simply don't sell your company, stupid as founders sold their company then complain about having to listen to the other owners, dumbass

>>715811445
>>715811943
crooked shareholder claws typed these posts

>>715808571
A more productive measure would be banning public companies and trading in general.

>>715814868
They're not the only company. Just the best company. There can be only one best one. They will get more orders, so they will charge more

>>715810985
>profits shouldn't come first, companies should make ethical choices even if it costs them money
>>okay, we're going to spend millions of dollars on DEI initiatives and BLM consultants
>NOOOOOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT
Why can't /v/ remain consistent on any issue? Are they all underage?

>>715815514
Shalom!

>>715815170
Where am I wrong?

>>715815038
>can't find enough workers who are smart enough to do the job.
Is that really true, or is there just not enough of an incentive over trading firms on Wall Street for the MIT graduate?

>>715807532 (OP)
Capitalism baybeee

>>715807532 (OP)
>sell way more
>make way more money
Not 100%, but still a lot of greed yeah.
If you make shit that everybody wants, you raise the prices. People will still buy.
Pc gaming could die and they're in a great position still.

The gpu's we get to buy are kind of like gifts. They could sell the same silicon for 2x.

>>715810985
>because they already owned the factory and studio and were already wealthy so they didn't need excess profits and wanted to use it to pay their workers more
Lies. He wanted to create as little shareholder value as possible because the Dodge Brothers owned his stock.
It's still a bullshit decision but don't pretend Ford had anything but Ford's money in mind.

>>715815706
How does prioratizing illegals and h2b streetshitters with fake degrees over the american people an ethical choice again?

Shareholders don't just afford 3rd and 4th vacation homes themselves. Such profits can't be made possible without the support of consoomers like (You)
>the more you know.gif

>>715807532 (OP)
and theyll get away with it because people will chastise you and call you poor for complaining about ridiculous prices

>>715808571
>>715811137
>>715811295
billionaires deserve to die because theyre cockblocking me from my videogames

>>715815706
>okay, we're going to spend millions of dollars on DEI initiatives and BLM consultants

That was caused by governments and Larry Fink, they set up a perverse incentive structure to push their retarded agendas.

>>715816028
>people sell things to... make a profit? how can this be?

>>715808156
second post got it

>>715809006
I would pet this birbo and protect it

>>715816006
>retard discovers morality is subjective

>>715816063
There are plenty more good reasons, but as long as results are made, I don't care

>>715807532 (OP)
GPUs don't even cost that much. You pay like $800 for a top end piece, while other hobbies require $8000+ for top end equipment.

>>715815868
>Capitalism
Is the reason computers exist.

>>715815996
chuds somehow have this idea that only Jews can be greedy.

Sorry buddy but if you don't want companies to be greedy then try socialism but that's literally a Jewish idea as well so...

>>715816028
So how many unpaid work hours did you put in this week?

>>715816140
More like corpo boot licking kike faggots like you use morality as a shield to continue to exploit and abuse the people, consider killing yourself.

TSMC doesn't owe you cheap chips. GPU makers can fab at Samsung or Intel if they are not satisfied with the price / performance.

>>715809193
They started first thats it really. TSMC would be fucked if not other countries since machines they work on have patented designs and were/are designed and even manufactured abroad not in Taiwan. Some parts are designed in Germany some in Belgium and Netherlands and some in Japan lol. Not many people know that but yeah majority of shit TSMC works on is built outside and its expertise they rely on. Thats why Chinks due to espionage can copy their shit and just get machinery from eurocuck companies and copy designs too they wont be as good but yeah in time they will get there.

>>715816028
>>715816063
The biggest shareholder of TSMC is the government of Taiwan aka "The people"

>>715816120
Don't do that, that's not the point and you know it. Nobody goes into selling something just to break even. What I'm talking about are these entitled elitist lizard brains that only measure success by getting and hording more money than several generations could ever need.
And most muricans defend it because they would do the exact same thing in their shoes.
It's disgusting.

>>715816248
>retard discovers "good" actions don't always lead to purely good results

>>715807579
came here to say this

>>715810985
Wait, why is dodge's logo a jewish star??

>>715816248
>corpo
lmao he thinks he's part of the resistance with Neo

>>715816385
see >>715816336
the company here is own by the government, they need to make money for their country.
Also most companies are owned by institutional investors, these institutions represent thousands of people who mostly are not billionaires

>>715815826
I have cleanroom experience.
I'd rather be homeless than move to the armpit of America to contribute to this kiked society for an hourly wage barely better than customer service.

>>715815996
>the zoomzoom doesn't know
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_International_Jew

>TSMC operating margin ~50%
>fucking bloody greedy bastard!
You niggers know that it's around the same for Valve, right?

>>715816510
>B-billionaires are our friends!!!
>They're just regular folks like you and me!

>>715815741
I'm entitled to pay $5 and experience the highest quality visuals. Cheers from Brasil.

>>715816506
they were likely freemasons, especially given the black and white motif

>>715816576
>Arizona is a shit hole
Heh, you're not wrong there.

>>715810217
>denying life saving healthcare is the same thing as expensive GPUs
lmao lefties are not well

>>715815348
The shareholders sued the company for not price gouging hard enough in fear of further "public opinion shifts", it sounds like it did something to me
Now imagine if none of these people could go outside without fearing the same thing
honestly the world would probably be a lot worse because public violence is probably the single worst thing for a healthy society but it would 100% have a significant effect on price gouging profit whores

>>715809540
Sure. Just don't look at the prices for low-end or used GPUs.
>>715815038
It has nothing to do with intelligence. It's an experience issues. Corpos have melties when experienced employees don't magically materialize out of thin air looking for jobs. There are some things you need to train people to do.

>>715816506
kek
If this was fiction, readers would complain it's unrealistic and too ham-fisted.

>>715812639
The ones sitting in on panels are the investors with 10-20% stake in the company. Your average Joe Blow with 1% won't make decisions like a guy who demands market trends or he'll sell half his stock.

>>715817459
no individual owns 20% of a big public company.
Big investors are banks and funds and these banks and funds are also owned by other investors and other banks and funds

>>715816171
Top end equipment in other hobbies don't have performance problems within a year. Gpus are expensive movie tickets, not top hardware.

>>715807532 (OP)
Consumer GPUs are a literal recycling program. Nvidia, AMD, and now Intel, are taking all those chips that didn't make the cut for their enterprise lineup, slapping them on a PCB, bolt a cooler on top and sell them to us for stupid money. All we are doing is helping them out a little with their R&D budget. Compared to their data center and other business solutions consumer tech doesn't even amount to a drop in the bucket.

>>715813485
I already did. Learn to read the entire post, retard. Judaism, like all abrahamic religions, is disgusting demiurge worship. Worldly and vain.

>>715817790
Because most other hobbies typically depend on mature technologies that barely improve. You want to be compensated for the fact that a 10 year old GPU is slow as molasses due to the progress made?

>>715815562
I don't own shares in this industry. I just think it is bizarre how overpriced toys can whip dopamine starved ghouls into a frenzy.

>>715816572
It's really weird watching how the moment you mention the fact that pension funds and the like make up a significant portion of shareowners in the world, people just quietly wither away from the conversation.

>>715816385
People don't like your reasoning because
>somebody who does things for money
>somebody who does things for money and is too rich
Is an arbitrary distinction you make. Kulaks didn't think they were too rich.
>most muricans defend it because they would do the exact same thing in their shoes
And most people bitching about rich people only do so because they know they won't be in those shoes.

Ragging on rich people is pointless. They will always exist, if not monetarily then some other way. Like it or not, Bezos provided a lot of value to a lot of people over the years. He should be rich.
The problem isn't being rich. It's tax avoidance, lobbying and trying to influence public opinion.

And creating dynasties of rich people that provided no actual value beyond the first generation, but "death tax" is too scary to some. Bezos earned being richer me, Bezos' great-great-grandkid didn't earn being richer than my great-great-grandkid

>>715818956
>You shouldn't be allowed to provide for your grandchildren because... uhhhh... they didn't earn it! The government did!

>>715816909
>life saving healthcare
Insurance is not an immortality subscription

>>715819180
There is nothing to defend in US healthcare. delenda est.

>>715819169
Yes, they didn't

>>715818302
I'd be happy if they stopped making new hardware as it doesn't benefit anyone.

>>715819350
therefore you get to steal it?

>>715819180
>get insurance
>terrible accident happens, need money for surgery asap
>insurance goes "ummmmm no you actually don't need it HAHA, don't agree? go through those extremely long process to appeal our decision"
>die before that can happen
>paid several thousands of dollars over years for literally nothing
>sometimes you aren't even given the illusion of an appeal and just get told to die lol
health insurance is genuinely the biggest scam in the world that is still legal

>>715819371
Wait 10-20 years for Moore's law to really stall.

>>715819485
Or nvidia could just stop making the world a worse place and close up shop.

>>715819213
Nah.
People bitch and moan because they think the alternative is exact same product but paid by the public, or insurance companies making less money. The alternative is no treatment
You know what happens when you need adouble lung transplant in europe? You fucking die
Insurance companies are not screwing you over. God is

so what happened to blaming tariffs? 2 months ago, that was all this board could talk about

>>715817790
>Top end equipment in other hobbies don't have performance problems within a year.
Except they do? Good luck running/skiing/climbing with the same clothes or equipment for a whole year

>>715819826
US Aid shill money dried up

>>715819453
>in the United States, a hospital cannot refuse to treat a patient in an emergency situation, regardless of their insurance status or ability to pay

>>715819821
I keep hearing this. Long waiting lines for surgery. Treatments not available in commie Europe. Yet somehow across the income distribution people in US croak earlier no matter what kind of giga premium daily testicle massage coverage they have.

>>715816197
>then try socialism
But we don't want our country to become a poor third world failure.

>>715820072
because they're fat

>>715820008
but the reddit tourists do it for free. how can they shift from "import taxes for international corporations are anti consumer" to "greedy corporations hike prices to increase their profits"

>>715807532 (OP)
>TSMC basically has monopoly in chip manufacturing
>makes mad dosh
>Nvidia basically has monopoly in GPU designing
>makes mad dosh
Time to take apart these monopolies

>>715820072
Life expectancy is more than the stuff insurance has any involvement with.
If you lived an unhealthy 70 years and at 70 you start getting problems that would kill you in two, but your income allows you to pay to extend it by four, so you die at 76, you still lived shorter than someone who had a more healthy 70 years of life, only started to get problems at 74, would also die in two, but the public healthcare extended it by one year. That guy died a year later despite 4x "worse" healthcare.

>>715820567
>corporation makes something people want that nobody else is making
Better punish them!

>>715820330
Where the fuck is the contradition?

>>715820072
>Yet somehow across the income distribution people in US croak earlier no matter what kind of giga premium daily testicle massage coverage they have.
It's the corn syrup.

>>715820072
American lifestyles are unhealthy as fuck, no amount of healthcare is gonna save you from never getting exercise and eating like shit.

>>715820072
Normalize by BMI and Amerimutts live longer compared to their fatassery. They also consume much more drugs. Life expectancy is mostly a measure of health, not of healthcare.

>>715807532 (OP)
It's ALWAYS greed. Not just from themselves, but their shareholders, who will piss and shit all over the place if the line isn't going up infinitely for exponentially growing profits.

>>715820778
should we tax greedy international corporations more? won't they just pass that burden onto the consumer?

>>715821119
how dare the people that own the corporation expect the business to turn a profit?

>>715820330
>>715821159
TSMC wouldn't be paying the tariff you retard, the importer pays.

>>715821159
I would first like the existing taxes to actually be enforced and to close possible legal loopholes, then if it's still higher than individual tax, yes
yes

>>715821048
>>715821035
>>715820642
Yes, pic related is what kills the mutt.
Arguing about the minutia of various insurance models is a distraction from the fact that the cardiovascular systems of the average American is already near the breaking point when they reach 45.

Why do redditors always demand higher taxes on themselves but don't seem to care when all of the existing tax money is already wasted/stolen?

>>715821159
>should we tax greedy international corporations more? won't they just pass that burden onto the consumer?
They will pass it on to the consumer. However the act of passing it onto the consumer makes it easier for a rival indigenous corporation to compete.

>>715821215
It isn't just about stable profit, it's about constantly INCREASING profit by any means necessary, because again, shareholders demand the line go up, it can NEVER go down or they'll pull out before the dip so they can profit off of their invested stocks, leaving the company to bleed out and die from having no support.

>>715821494
But how am I going to satisfy my cheap chinesium addiction?

>>715821639
Why would anyone want to own a corporation that isn't trying to be more profitable?

>>715821743
The model is unsustainable, in case you haven't grasped what I'm getting at. Even gigacorps will eventually reach a point where the line can't stop going up, because there isn't an infinite amount of money and an infinite amount of consumers to derive profit from.
The only reason they survive is because they have literal hundreds of billions in stockpile, so they can afford to suffer temporary hemorrhages until they make an action that allows the line to go up again after the dip.
Other companies don't get that luxury because they DON'T already have riches in backup, so they subsequently die a miserable death.

>>715816506
They were methodists.
The common theory seems to be that it's two deltas to refer to the two Dodge brothers.

>>715822009
just because it's impossible to always make more money than before doesn't mean they shouldn't always try, they have those reserves because they made money when they could

>>715822009
>can't stop
Must stop, I meant. Point still stands.

>>715821320
And does the importer eat the cost? Or does it increase the consumer price?

>>715807532 (OP)
TSMC is from Taiwan (Chinese-owned). Once the province is reclaimed, they will charge you even more. And you won't do shit

>>715819821
>You know what happens when you need adouble lung transplant
you die within a few years regardless of medical treatment because the lungs will either be rejected or develop pneumonia

>>715820072
lmao at that top 5% blowing tens of millions of shekels for an extra two years of decrepit lich existence

>>715815706
companies are actually being paid to promote that, that's why they are fine with throwing flop after flop, they'll be bailed out

>>715822184
It increases the consumer price because retailers don't have the retardedly high margins that tsmc has.

>>715817459
Publicly traded companies very very rarely have individuals with stakes that big

>>715814453
Something being focused on "tangible production" doesn't affect the fact they're still price gouging, apologist.

>>715815826
The party opposed to the party that made the CHIPS act sabotaged it and then pulled funding.

>>715819371
Translation:
>i can't afford anything so nobody should ever be allowed anything newer than what I have
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T TELL ME TO GET A JOB SHUT UUUUUUUUP MOMMY HELP

>>715809006
That's a nice birdie.

>>715807532 (OP)
on the component side
then on the manufacturer side they have to get the margin from making cards above MSRP

>>715807532 (OP)
>duuuhhh it company fault!
It's all the fucking AI, let's not pretend it's anything else

>>715808571
Hating corporations and ceos is woke. cry more lefty

>>715812051
I believe it is a short form of the word "corporation". Hope this helps.
-Craig

>put an item on the market for a certain proce
>It sells
>Waah it should be cheaper!
Why though ?

>>715809540
No it doesn’t, wanting to pay for something isn’t greedy. Charging exorbitant sums greater than cost of production is though. Even if you’re an insane ascetic the latter is a magnitude more greedy than the former.

>>715807532 (OP)
it's always greed

>>715815706
Anon pls. The people posting that Henry Ford nonsense are the people who support DEI and BLM.

>>715807532 (OP)
Capitalism is the kind of machine that works better even when it's exhausted, rotten from the inside out, and getting it's guts pulled out with gigantic horse cock. The worse is looks, the more horrible the flogging, the greater the release, the more viscous the orgasm. If it could coom to fucking over unborn generations, it would. There's nothing more kindled than a capitalist society that knows how ugly it looks.

>>715824234
I agree with you in theory.
It just sucks that the inevitable backlash won't cause any competitors to enter the market with a good alternative product or for nvidia to lower prices to remain competitive and profitable
they'll instead choose to go down in flames and take the market with them with rent-seeking behavior protecting their position in the market
so typical state capitalism that globalism enforces on all of us
I hate jews, I hate muslims, I hate leftists, and I hate republicans that refuse to tackle this bullshit

It's pricey because Nigreedia is on top

Nigreedia needs to be humbled like Intel

>>715815706
Those “ethical choices” are tax breaks calculated to both get them funding and spare them costs.

>>715810985

The fact this precedent wasn't overturned the moment Dodge set up a competitor is insane.

Dodge used the US law to hamper his rival directly, which is in complete violation of free market logic. He should have been lynched.

>>715820072
I mean, have you ever been to burgerland? Have you ever eaten or drank what they have? I don't know what they put in their food and drinks, but even a fucking same brand soda and exact same sold in both Europe and the US has completely shit taste in the US, borderline undrinkable. How is that even possible, it's just fizzy water and lots of sugar. You have to purposely try to fuck that up.
Don't even get me started on what is called "food" over there. I don't know what they put in that shit, but that would explain a lot of shit regarding the direction of that country.
And thus, no wonder they die early. It just fucks you up over time.

>>715807532 (OP)
>gpus are expensive
>this trickles down to the used market
>sell your gpu to subsidize your new one

Sounds like a non-issue to me senpai

Unless you're just now getting into pc gaming and then uhhhhh, I guess get fucked pussy lol

>>715824994
>I don't know what they put in their food and drinks
It's corn syrup. It's not a meme. They put it in EVERYTHING.

>>715809006
gpus wouldnt even be produced under socialism

THE FUCKING RESERVATION SLOTS TO MAKE A CERTAIN KIND OF CHIP ARE FINITE YOU GOD DAMN NIGGER. ITS LIKE AN AUCTION HOUSE.

>>715808251
Blame America for destroying Japan's semiconductor industry because America was burthurt about Japan selling cheap chips. This forced Japan to only focus on producing semiconductor chemicals instead of manufacturing physical semiconductors

>>715810985
Henry Ford should have appealed to the US Supreme Court even though he lost at the Michigan Supreme Court.

>>715808571
Probably never. Shit will just keep getting gradually worse and worse and people will think that's the way it's always been. Politicians will continue to demonize the old way too, so that way people will shit on the old way even if it'd improve their lives. At least for a brief period of time corpofags were scared when some dude shot one of them to death and their feeling of invulnerability was briefly shattered.

>>715811590
Intel is losing money. TSMC is still getting their paycheck.

>>715815706
Neither BLM nor DEI are ethical.

>>715816140
It isn't.

>>715822960
>price gouging
retard-sama...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_gouging#Laws_against_price_gouging

>>715807532 (OP)
Why is wanting to sell something for a lot greed but wanting to buy something for little isn't greed? It's just a bing bing wahoo machine so why are we bringing virtue into the conversation in the first place?

>>715808739
It costs Intel as much to make a B580 as it does Nvidia to make a 5070. They both have to pay TSMC for foundry time. B580 is a very low volume loss leader and their whole GPU experiment could get canned at any time

>>715824651
The price of GPUs itself is not a problem, problem is how little we make, how little an hour of your labor can buy you. And when I say we I mean most common people. I have a quite nice job and can afford to be a faggot snob leftist in denial but somehow that doesn't seem attractive to me.

>>715829684
no, the price of gpus has skyrocketed because of a combination of AI increasing demand and TSMC having a monopoly because all of their competitors are incompetent.

>>715807532 (OP)
>be the best at something that is in high demand
>not supposed to get paid for that
Why would you not want to reward excellence? Where do you think you'd end up if you rewarded failure instead?

>>715829838
That too but you don't really need a new GPU, all the new games are unreal slop that chug even on 4090. I only upgraded to 4070 this year grom rx590 (GTX 1070 tier card) I had since 2019. I'd say it was worth it, price of everything went up by about 2x, wo did this GPU... Nothing out of ordinary.

>>715807532 (OP)
Everyone and their mother wants TSMC.
Amd, Nvidia, Apple, Qualcomm even fucking Intel.
And Taiwan will never let go of their golden goose, no matter how much you hear them building factories at Arizona.

>>715808571
The day will come in our lifetime. You'll see it for yourself, don't worry. These retards don't realize there's a limit to all things and people aren't as stupid as they think. Patience is boiling over in a lot of places right now. Faith in the political system is falling every day as people realize zionist pedophiles are in control of policy and laws.

>>715831350
People actually are this stupid and we will get back the feudalism. Most people will be a peasant that just rents the land he works on, he vill own nothing and he vill be happy.

>this business is very successful
>for this its workers deserve to be dragged through the streets and murdered
What the hell is wrong with you?

honestly the only people who can't afford a good gaming PC now are soillennials

>>715832626
>Just buy this overpriced piece of shit that will be worse than the next big thing that comes out at an ever more inflated price!

If you're buying new graphics cards every few years I honestly feel sorry for how fucking dumb you must be. Flaunting your retarded ignorance around as some sort of show of wealth is hilarious, though.

>>715811137
Gun to the head 10 exclusives that aren't shovelware Ai shit for your console.

>>715833235
I have a job

A sane maximum profit margin of like 50% being enforced across the globe for every industry without exception would result in an immediate and gigantic price drop almost across the board, alas, gazillionaires need more shekels in their portfolios because having 100 lifetimes worth of luxurious living is not enough for their black shriveled hearts

>>715833860
Not buying graphics cards doesn't mean you're unemployed lmao. It just means you're financially sensible and aware of what a fucking scam it is right now. Buying marked-up shit doesn't make you smart, buddy. Nobody thinks you are for doing so.

>>715833968
>pointless price restrictions will somehow solve scarcity issues
commies like you cause nothing but misery for humanity

>>715833991
Based true and real.
Poors will run out and waste their rent on the newest flashy thing. People who money save and wait for a sale when they NEED and upgrade.

>>715834278
Most "scarcity" issues are purely artificial from the supplier side or caused by idiotic trendchasing from the consumer side, usually on a global scale thanks to slave media manipulation

there is literally no reason why apple and samsung should be allowed 1000%+ profit margins for their dumbphones, or nvidia / amd getting x00% profit margin and increasing that with each generation far in excess of increase in inflation and actual increase in product quality and capabilities

>>715808571
that time is far gone, were all stuck in the bubble shit soup (they are too, they just dont realize it)

>>715833991
yeah whatver you say all the rich guys are riding around with a switch right? lmao

>>715834686
why don't you just buy a shitty chinese phone then instead of Apple or Samsung?

>>715834791
thats exactly what I do personally and recommend to everyone around me who cares, but this kind of insanity being allowed at all is tempting every other company to follow along, and its the customers that suffer in the end
drop the dumb boomerism of "fuck you I got mine"

>>715808739
>requires reBAR and a high-end CPU for best performance
nah

>>715831350
Not that anon, but the issue is that people should have realized that immoral degenerates were tailoring everything for themselves a while ago. If it took them this long to realize it, I have no faith that they won't just move on to the next thing and just go back to ignorance.

>>715827993
>he's actually using wikipedia
>as a source
>as a defense in favor of inflated prices

>>715835037
>oh no this brand new card works best with other hardware that's less than 10 years old

So they're greedy because they want to sell a product at market price but you're not greedy for wanting to buy one at a lower price?
Such hypocrisy /v/.

>>715822009
It is though. The total amount of money is increasing. Line measures money, it has to go up because if it isn't you're shrinking.

>>715838091
And when there's more money, it becomes less valuable due to inflation, hurting the average individual solely so the corporate reports can say the line's still going upward to keep those shareholders happy.
Billions today is equivalent to hundred thousands from way back, just because you added more digits doesn't mean it's actually more impressive, it's just placebo to trick easily-impressed suits.

>>715838274
>government prints money
>blames corporations for inflation
why are statists like this?

>>715807532 (OP)
Greed.
The CEO's, board members...everyone in the highest echelons of the corporate pyramid.

>>715824234
>what are you doing back here, Denton, right?
>tell Everet I'm cooold

>>715824904
Why, it's literally 20% their company

>>715838367
The corpos control the government, just like how they control the media and politics, allowing them total control over the narrative and country.

>>715808571
Well it's your country with the billion automatic rifles per household.

>>715829838
TSMC is purposefully not charging as much as they probably could to remain globally important, as part of Taiwan's national defense strategy.
The reality is the seller can only set the minimum price. There is a limited fabbing capacity and expanding takes a ton of time and money. They could sell making a wafer for 1 dollar and all it would do is shift profits from them to middleman fab time resellers, the overall price to have something made in TSMC would increase

>>715834962
>recommend to everyone around me who cares
Why aren't they following your advice?

>>715838274
Who said anything about being impressive?
>line up forever is unsustainable
>actually it is because of these mechanics that define the line
>oh yea? Well I think it's lame and gay that it works that way
Okay? What the fuck are you sperging out about?

>it becomes less valuable due to inflation, hurting the average individual
*hurting anyone/thing holding money or money derivatives

>>715807532 (OP)
Cause you're buying them, retard

People should be thankful they get any gauss at all
The desktop market is so fucking tiny and the margins are already low that i dont get why nvidia doesn't just drop us

>>715840104
>gauss
Gpus*

>>715838274
Shareholders might be clueless about the inner workings, but they aren't stupid. If you're going to stake your own money, the bare minimum is knowing your returns are beating gov bonds.