Thread 715817524

>nonbinary main character, forced gay and lesbian characters, canonically transsexual metaphor characters
>beloved by /v/, undertale also gets this pass despite a REQUIRED lesbian romance arc
>meanwhile if any other major western franchise did 1% of this, it would get nonstop ridicule and shitposts mocking it and kill off any attempt at serious threads or discussion

Is /v/ actually anti-woke or just give a special pass when it’s kino indie games and not mainstream? I have noticed this with other games as well. Is it a subconscious hipster contrarianism?

>>715817524 (OP)
>Why is Deltarune immune to /v/‘s Anti-Woke Hate?
Because Susie.

Kris is a guy
He's my self-insert

>>715817819
Kris is only ever referred to as “they”

>>715817524 (OP)
toby fox cast a spell on 'gamers' writ large. i genuinely believe this has to be true. everything the guy has ever done is dogshit and magically people will follow him to the end of the earth even as he offends all their usual sensibilities (woke shit towards /v/, halloween hack and homestuck incest shit towards woke people). it doesn't make sense. it's completely incongruous with his actual work, skill, etc. i think it has to be some /x/ shit but i don't know what exactly

>>715817948
For self-insert purposes. Kris is whatever you are.

>>715817971
You think Toby Fox hypnotized millions of people into liking his stuff? That's a cool conspiracy theory.

>>715817524 (OP)
Because it's not made front and center. They call Kris They and that's it, it's not pointed at outside this. Same goes for most of the relationships you see in-game. Even in undertale with undyne/alyphs, it was mostly played for laughs and not trying to push any agenda.

>>715817524 (OP)
>nonbinary main character
"non-binary" isn't a real thing and no one can explain how it even makes sense without being sexist

>>715817524 (OP)
Christopher is a character in a video game so he's binary just like everything else

>>715817948
Yes, because this allows the viewer to decide if Kris is a boy or a girl, its been like this since Undertale.

>>715818013
>create vessel
>it gets thrown out
>"No one can choose who they are in this world"
>"except for your pronouns. we kept it as they/them so you can self-insert properly"

something doesn't add up.

>/v/ actually plays , discusses and enjoys a game
>this angers the OP

>>715818202
Kris is my vessel. I chose him.

>>715818249
no you didn't.
play the game next time.

>>715818326
???
Play the Earthbound Halloween Hack before replying to me, secondary BITCH.

>>715818202
>something doesn't add up.
Yeah. Kris is two niggas. You and him, aka THEY/THEM

>>715817524 (OP)
>>nonbinary main character, forced gay and lesbian characters, canonically transsexual metaphor characters
We like the game but dislike these parts of the game it's not really complicated.

>>715817524 (OP)
Explains why the janny keeps trying to nuke Deltarune off the board, it doesn't encourage /pol/shitflinging

>>715818397
no one else knows that. Kris didn't tell everyone to call him "they" because of that. He hates the soul.

>>715817971
>toby fox cast a spell on 'gamers' writ large
This is the most compelling argument.

That, and the theory in a thread a few days ago that /v/ is in nonstop summer of preteen newfags who think “blending in” on /v/ is being a constant anti-fanboy and hating ‘woke’ and everything mainstream while awarding no merits for any qualities, while SECRETLY enjoying trendy zoomer slop like Fortnite, FNAF and Deltarune but patting themselves on the back as a ‘connoisseur’ for occasionally enjoying “obscure” weeb shit and cRPGs and participating in culture war arguments so they can feel smart. They openly ‘secretly’ enjoy things like Deltarune because they don’t truly believe in any of the aforementioned to begin with and are extremely vulnerable to groupthink. Toby Fox is the maverick renegade indie developer making JRPG inspired, subversive “Soul” that the industry has been losing, so he gets a ‘pass’.

>>715817524 (OP)
it gets called Deltatroon all the time, what are you talking about?

The weirder thing is that a JEWISH guy manages to make a woke game without it being anti government that people like or without being a libertarian left/centrist libertarian/anarchist
Usually people only like woke stuff if it’s by some “based” authority hating socialist

> Toby has been skipping every question regardge Hyman's characters sex for YEARS
> As if, the intention of their sex and race is extremely non-important and is purposefully ambiguous for creative freedom
> But he can't suddenly say that Kris isn't canonically non-binary or else his tranny audience will kill themselves

>>715818079
You can start the game and you only really think of a characters gender when they speak and make it apparent, and the only one with an oddity choice is really Kris, who gets an excuse as self insert device trope. Even the most homoerotic couple will look like the respective actual gendered part. Even characters with potenyial confused genderijg, which was Metatton and the Dummy, have completely absent presence regarding any of that kind of thing.
But play In Stars and Time and they'll not just slap you with a hyper masculine character who has a weirdly feminine name, you'll also open the menu and be presented with a bunch of pronouns.
Caring about gender in Deltarune is a minor worthless thing you have to look for.

>>715818732
Toby fox isnt jewish

>>715817524 (OP)
because the game is focused on story and actually being fun. Toby legit does not give a shit about woke garbage or politics, he is just creating what he thinks is interesting and funny. If a character is gay it's because he felt like doing it, not because he has an agenda

>>715817524 (OP)
because its an hmofa game

>>715818243
>/v/ only allows serious discussion of certain games because of ‘board culture’ while other games are impossible to discuss and serious threads for them die quickly
>the rules behind this are literally based on total whim with no sound reasoning, just whatever is popular and trendy to like, even good games get buried for extremely specific and arbitrary reasons like being too popular, but some get a pass from this
>”hurr durr OP is mad people like a game”

>>715817524 (OP)
The game is actually good, despite the fagshit. 90% of the "woke" games you hear people complain about are steaming garbage. Toby is the rare modern leftist who actually has talent and knows how to be tactful with his messaging, and his games are actually good because of this.

We used to have lots of games like this until people started taking retard pills.

>>715817524 (OP)
It does get a pass because its an indie game. They will make up all sorts of excuses as to why they can't stick to their beliefs but ultimately they like it because everyone else likes it and there are no voices to the contrary. Ultimately, if you're an indie game, nobody cares if you're woke and that's why everybody ignores games like Deltarune being objectively woke.

> You'd have people look you in the face and seriously say that THIS is supposed to be a "non-binary" person
It's s very funny pattern I noticed that people specifically get mad only at people referring to him as he or drawning him "too masculine", it never the same for she or feminine drawnings of him, curious.

>NB Main character
Never used as an enbie propaganda, prime reason Kris is a they is cause of Toriel being a shit parent following a bad instructions booklet on humans
>Forced gay
Pizzapants is getting more or less Catfished so if you feel like DR is giving gays representation through a fucking Doomed Yaoi subplot, then hey it's pretty damn realistic.
>And lesbian characters
The lesbianism in question being so onesided that not for a moment did Susie felt any kind of lovely dovely feeling when Noelle says her old friendship with Kris was forced and all Susie wants out of Noelle is the same she wants out of Kris, a good sincere real friend.
>canonically transsexual metaphor characters
Literally who, Mettaton?
>UT gets a pass despite a REQUIRED lesbian romance arc
A romance arc played out to the absolute ridiculounesss with Alphys spilling that much spaghetti that it made her remember something more important to her character: The True Lab, which illustrateds that Alphys isn't quirky lesbian freak ass weaboo, she's a distraught doctor put in a field that is way out of her capabilities and shit has backfired on her so bad that it made her a reclusive fuck who is honestly one flamboyant robot getting slagged away from killing herself and again, you wanna say a near suicidal spaghetti dropping lesbian is GOOD representation in the eyes of woke niggas?
>If any major western franchise blah blah
Here is a truth nuke: The reason shit is woke is when it uses said representation nonsense as a commercial way to get good boi points to get a certain audience to buy games, UT/DR aren't on the same side of the spectrum because all that lesbian shit is written in a more sincere way than trash like dragon age.

There are higher chances of Kris being a they/them because he's two niggas at once than him being an enbie

>>715817524 (OP)
Its simple I see furry pussy I play your game, even if the characters are reciting the communist manifesto in it

Because there is a metric shitton of furries on /v/ you just don't see them until a furry game is brought up. Need I remind you who made Snoot Game? There's a reason Deltarune threads are ship wars or borderline porn threads full of smut about one of the animal characters.

Kris is a they because he is two niggas, possibly three.

>>715818867
>Toby does not give a shit about politics
That is a lie. What is true is that he doesn't let it seep into his work.

>>715817971
the spell in question

>>715819296
I'd argue 4

>>715817524 (OP)
I wonder.

>>715819130
it's actually pretty mid. mid+ at most.

>>715818463
So how on earth do you reconcile the three main characters being
>Non binary
>A butch lesbian built like a man
>A femboy goat

>>715818845
Yeah I really only care when it's very apparent and feels like the dev is trying to convince me of an agenda. Just make a gay couple who is just gay and nothing else, or a trans character who is just trans idc anymore just don't make it feel like it's meant to put down straight people to raise up w/e gender/sexuality they are pushing. Reminds me of Celeste when everyone shat their pants on the tiny trans flag that I barely noticed playing the game.

Mods ban you for being negative about the game, i have countless bans so i just dont bother with this tranny game

>>715817524 (OP)
kris isnt nonbinary, he's ambiguous for the sake of storytelling
the romance arc is very obviously a hook for it falling apart later in the game, just look at CH4's light world segments.

>>715817524 (OP)
>>beloved by /v/, undertale also gets this pass despite a REQUIRED lesbian romance arc
>actually playing the gay faggot route for gay faggots
He made the genocide route for players like us. Deltarune is somewhat overrated because its weird route doesn't let you kill everyone and skip most of the shitty dialogue. It's not a bad game, but people who unironically care about these garbage furry OC characters need to rope. To answer your question, Deltarune probably doesn't get as much hate as it deserves here because it's widely popular enough that a few dozen queers who use this board can spam generals and astroturf a consensus

>>715819362
I am in love

>>715818202
The intention with Kris in Chapters 1 and 2 is to fool the Player into thinking the game is like Undertale, where you play as a mute self-insert. This is why the pronouns they and them are used, to provide that ambiguity. Once the veil is lifted and you see that Kris is their own character and not you, there is no point in changing their pronouns when they've already been called they and them by everyone. It is no coincidence that the third human character in the UTDR universe just so happens to also be referred to with they and them.

>>715819401
> No canon sex character, can be male or female, up to you.
> Canonically likes Ralsei, therefore at least bisexual if not straight.
> Ralsei is feminine, but not in a flamboyant gay kind, also you're probably blind if you don't see that he and Susie are the endgame pairing.

>>715817524 (OP)
Because even though it's "woke" none of the characters are explicitly gay, so you have plenty of room to imagine them however you please.

>>715819401
>>Non binary
Only called a they due to external influences, Kris hardly talks
>>A butch lesbian built like a man
In what part of the game has Susie said she is a lesbian out loud? Plus she's a dinosaur, she is burly and fugly by default. Hell if she were a butch lesbian how come she has long hair then?
>>A Femboy Goat
An exaggeration inprinted on Ralsei by the fanbase, the only femboy thing about Ral is being a fucking floormat who wants to get stepped on.

>>715817524 (OP)
Woke shit is fine when it's done well. Issue is, it almost never is because devs pump out preachy bullshit instead of treating those values like an inherent part of the world.
Stars and Time does a good job of this. When you play through all the loops and learn about how Isabeau is probably trans and Mirabelle is ace and there's a literal nonbinary child in your face the whole time, you're not thinking about that- you're thinking "damn, Isabeau is almost as much of an idiot as Siffrin for not communicating, all this would never happen if they just admitted they like each other," and "damn, Mirabelle is more complex than I thought," when Siffrin tells her she'll be fine with dying alone and she crashes out, and "damn, Bonnie is a FUCKING ANNOYING kid and the King did nothing wrong by crushing them."
The "woke" aspects of their personalities are incredibly minor in the grand scheme of things and all have reasonable, in-lore explanations that they touch on. It makes sense that the country that loves Change magic accepts people changing their own bodies. It makes sense they have a looser acceptance of gender and shit. The fantastical elements are deliberately crafted to support these facets of the world- you feel less like you're being told "accept trans rights CHUD," and more like "in this fantasy society where anyone can become anyone they want, people change their sexes using magic."


99% of wokeshit fails this by being preachy, performative bullshit which appeals to journos and other preachy, performative faggots but turns everyone else off because people don't like being preached at.

>>715819571
The weird route is bad because not enough changes to warrant replaying this very long game in comparison to Undertale. Spamton NEO isn't that much harder during the Weird route. There are no good bosses so far like Undyne the Undying or Sans. The story doesn't change enough. Deltarune so far can be summed up as
>Interesting opening touching on the compelling meta narrative themes
>Quirky reddit humor for 3 hours
>Cliffhanger at the end of the chapter where Kris is going to go CRAZY DUDE!!! And also Gaster if you forgot about him
Rinse and repeat about 4 times and there's your game
Its amazing how a game's lifespan can be artificially inflated by shipfagging and constant theorycrafting

>>715819571
>weird route doesn't let you kill everyone
for now.

>>715819547
>Mods ban you for being negative about the game
what

>>715818202
Almost certainly just for brownie points with the Twitter crowd without actually affecting anything, Kris is the most obviously male "non-binary" character in the history of fiction. If nothing else consider that Toriel went full-on crisis mode when she learned that Asriel kissed a girl, there is absolutely no way in hell that Toriel would ever have allowed Kris and Asriel to share a bedroom if Kris had a vagina.

>>715818013
>>715818180
Almost correct, it's to trick you into thinking this.

>>715819130
this. plus the fanart is cool and sexy. that asgore running over dess was top ten for me

>>715818918
>>715818243
people need to stop giving a fuck and just talk about the games they want because its not like people play video games on this gay website anyways

Reminder that Toby made Kris they/them so he could get away with making Krusie canon

>>715819806
Deltarune is Toby Fox's Twin Peaks. he's just making shit up.
idgaf what he """says""" he dreamed or wrote down, if he actually knew where he was going, it wouldn't be talking 7+ to get there.
not for a fucking 2D, turn-based, tile-based JRPG.
>inb4 some zoomer tries to tell me how INSANELY DIFFICULT is is to code an ABSOLUTELY BARE-BONES ZELDA CLONE!!!!!

Normal/Pacifist route Kris's and Our relationship is like Venom and Eddie.
In weird route it's like The Thing assimilation

>>715819401
>Non binary
By just calling kris a he
>A butch lesbian
Yeah and thats a part of her character that i dislike
>A femboy goat
Nothing wrong with that

>>715819296
>>715819363
He's over nine thousand niggas right now.

>>715817524 (OP)
It's not. Deltarune threads are a microcosm of tumblr and woketards inside of /v/ but since you are many and so insistent there is nothing we can do

>>715817524 (OP)
Not sure, probably because theyre all closet troons

>>715820173
Yeah man I wish the game focused more on Kris and the Player instead of Susie's Naruto training arc and her tragic backstory 24/7, this game has extremely compelling ideas that it reserves for cliffhangers at the end of chapters to reel you in to 'see what happens next' and most of the chapter is fluff

>>715819401
>Non binary
I just call him a man because he looks and acts like one.
>A butch lesbian built like a man
She's very obviously got feelings for the human male MC and tomboys are hot
>A femboy goat
I just avoid the gay dialogue options, but most of /v/ are bisexual if the man is effeminate enough, so most anons see this as a benefit.

>>715819875
That's the entire reason I called Chara "he"
That, and I thought the story would fit better with two brothers than with a brother and sister.
And recently, I learned about the code variable 'murderboy' which is tied to the Genocide route progress, but not Frisk's actual level of violence. Implying that it's for Chara instead.

>>715819806
I do like the weird route so far and I think it will have a satisfying conclusion, but like you said it's difficult to justify following along the main route just to take some detours. The start of chapter 3 is particularly garbage.

>>715817971
sensible people can enjoy something even if it has a few things they don't fully agree with

>>715817524 (OP)
Because it's not woke.
There's no flags, no political speeches, no language that came from tumblr, just cool characters that happen to have these characteristics.
Woke is basically far left political speech, shit like pic related.

And yes, i don't consider BG3 as woke too.

>>715819547
How's bizarro /v/ treating you, anon?

>>715820408
The worst part is that starting the Weird Route and not failing it is convoluted enough that you will end up spoiling yourself trying to figure out how to actually fucking do it. Undertale was simple. Just kill everything until the 'but nobody came' dialogue comes up.

>>715817524 (OP)
Nobody except trannies and retards like this game.

>>715817524 (OP)
Because if it's good it doesn't matter.

>>715817524 (OP)
Unlike the other gay faggot games, these ones are very good. Its almost like fag shit being in games is a symptom of them being soulless corporate products or something.


PS: Deltarune has one lesbian character and she gets cucked by the HMOFA chad protagonist