and later how about you replenish my mana by pumping me full of semen (Canon)
Oh what's that? You already fucked motherfucking King Arthur? dammit...Oh by the way you are a black man in the future. You fucking nigger kill yourself.

We need more games with this exact premise.

>>715833416 (OP)
tohsokas rancid shithole... god i want to smell her shit

>>715833510
All games in this series are "fujo can only get turned on if she's King Arthur riding (you) the reader"

>magic death game
actually killing an enemy master is one of the worst plays you can make. if you have an enemy master dead to rights you can just take their command seals instead which empowers you AND gives you their servant. once they no longer have command seals they are no longer a participant in the HGW and the church steps in to both protect them and prevent them from interfering with participants such as you, so its not like they can seek retribution.

>>715834092
>so its not like they can seek retribution.
That's literally what Shirou does in the story after his command seals are taken and he should have died.

>>715833416 (OP)

>>715834092
>if you have an enemy master dead to rights you can just take their command seals instead

That will realistically never happen since to do that you somehow need to get their servant out of a picture first in a way where the enemy master hasn't already spent all his command spells (which is unlikely since one of the key functions of a command spell is teleporting your servant to your location). In fact assassinating masters is an excellent tactic, and people who avoid it do so either because they're goody two-shoes or they don't take the contest seriously enough to resort to dirty tactics.

>>715834371
The reason he's able to do that is because in his war the church representative is a bastard who doesn't do what he's supposed to do.

>>715834524
Nothing other than FSN itself, Hollow Ataraxia, and Fate/Zero are canon.

>>715834948
Archer exists in stay night

>>715834948
Nothing in that image refers to anything outside of FSN.

I'm amazed that the holy grail is still vague after all this time, nobody can agree how powerful or how important it actually is.
Some say it's a magic capable of destroying the world others say it's a peace of magical trash from trash nation of Japan thats only good for like local disasters at best like in Zero.

>>715835578
Does it matter?
The broad strokes of Fate already mark it as an extremely low quality franchise.
Finding nits to pick seems like an exercise in redundancy.

>>715835919
the lore and magic system are the most interesting parts in this series even if they don't really matter

>>715833416 (OP)
He turns black because of magic abuse, he earned his nigga status

>>715835919
yea, expecting good lore from a guy that wrote actual schizophrenic rumblings that are kara no kyokai and sperm mana recharge is asking for a bit too much.

>>715835578
The grail is a gateway to the Root. Nothing more, nothing less. What you make of it depends on you.

>>715836151
But the question is if you reach the root, do you then have the power to genocide humanity like Gil wanted? Or is that power limited to how powerful the Grail and accumulated energy from the servants is

>>715835578
Kerrytugu was the worst thing to happen to Shirou. He gave him a terrible ideal and did fuck all to teach him magic.

>>715833416 (OP)
Sorry bitch, I'm hanging out with rider

>>715833416 (OP)
old men

>>715833416 (OP)
Rin would never say the N-word

>>715836151
I thought it can literally only do the worst possible interpretation of wishes post Angra Manyu

>>715836489

>>715836547
> the prize will fuck you over if you don't prompt it correctly
> oh, yes, i think i will risk my life to play this death game where the price will fuck you over if you don't prompt it correctly, which it did once recently
sasuga plot nasu

>>715833416 (OP)
This is an excellent post for several reasons.

>>715836747
>not cannon

>>715834524
Nowadays, we're at a point where fans and haters alike have no idea how the Holy Grail War works.
Literally, in the original novel, the main point is that the war is a lie, the rules are a joke, and it was all a ritual in which only the three families could win.
The only three characters who know about this are Kirei, Iliya, and Zouken.
The rest either never find out or find out at the end of each route.
This is the reason why there was never a "winner," because it was never a game to the death.

>>715833834
This has to be true on some level. I don't know under how many schizo layers, but still.

>>715835578
It's just a mana battery created by decent family specializing in wishcraft

>>715836321
The only thing that matters is the summoning and death of servants because that is what establishes a connection to the Root.

>>715837652
nigga that does not answer my question

>>715833416 (OP)
>you are a black man in the future

>>715836321
>But the question is if you reach the root, do you then have the power to genocide humanity
that's like asking "if i become a servant can i beat up a toddler?" you don't need to be massively overpowered to accomplish that, the goal is beneath it.

the root is basically the foundation of physical law in the universe and being able to successfully manipulate it without being absorbed into it would make you functionally omnipotent. even if you did get absorbed into it, as long as your will is strong enough your desires would essentially become part of how the universe works; it would be like your desires becoming one of newton's laws.

the grail is designed to empower mages to reach the root and it needs seven servants to die in order to empower it to do that, but it is more than capable of granting most basic human wishes with far less than seven.

>>715836321
>pic
I miss when being chronically tech illiterate wasn't a crippling character weakness, just a little downside that can be played with humor and forgotten about the rest of the time.

>>715837382
I like how when Shirou asked Kirei why don't we just share the power, Kirei was like" uhhh, fair point, but actually the Grail itself decided that we kill each other" what a dickhead liar.

From my understanding the original 3 families just wanted to reach the root together. Then they realized the ritual only allowed 1 person to enter the root so they started killing each other. Then they killed each other too good so they added all these rules and spells and servants to make it more fun. And at some point they decided to fool other people into joining the fight by lying that the grail grants wishes which they themselves started believing except the Tohsakas and maybe Einzberns.

And the Root is some ancient magical energy from before 11000BC that allowed Gods to walk among the earth but they disappeared when people stopped believing in them. So the Einzberns waited literal thousands of years to come up with an idea to make this Grail.

I could go on but even I don't know wft I'm even talking about. Is this even cannon anymore.

>>715837708
It does. The only thing that actually matters in the ritual is the summoning and death of Heroic Spirits. Everything else is meaningless dressing. The Grail is the gateway and the Heroic Spirits create a path. Once you get to the Root, in theory, you could gain the power to alter reality itself but that requires understanding the Root which is nigh impossible. What Gilgamesh would be able to achieve by reaching the Root is anyone's guess.

"Yes, Shirou, I know this huge Hulk-like creature is running around trying to kill us all and we can die at any minute, but first you gotta pump Saber full of your semen but before that watch me eat her snatch"

>>715833416 (OP)
I tried reading the VN but it was really fucking boring. Even the Lancer fight in the prologue was lame. Did it really got popular because of the sex scenes?

>>715833416 (OP)
fate was meant for a japanese audience and not meant for western smoothbrains with realistic expectations in a fictional work

>>715836998
Nobody knew about that though outside of Kirei (who is Kirei) and Gil (Who got corrupted by the evil mud and now wants to purge the earth of lots of people)
>>715838759
There was always outsiders, they originally were just there to look at what was happening and to add extra mages to the pile since each family can only really teach 1 mage.

>>715838365
>>715838789
So the root is something that changes reality based on your desires. The Grail is the gateway. And the Servants the Key.

Entering the root is suicide. The real good ending is not having the Grail get all 7 servants but make a wish with 5-6 dead and then the Grail itself would grant you that wish based on the servants energy it has without killing you.

Is this how it works?

>>715838759
The three families wanted to reach the route so they could perform the third magic.
The "problem" is that we're not even sure if the war started because only one person could reach it.
Remember that the will (justeaze) of the grail chooses.
The first war was likely between Zouken and Nagato.
Then the successor leaders of the families and Zouken realized that three Servants weren't enough, invented the "Holy Grail War," and invited outsiders.
The second war was a disaster without rules.
The third war included the Holy Church and the Mages' Association, as security in case something went wrong, but only the three families know the truth, and only they will be chosen anyway. (No one yet knows about the corruption of the grail by Angra.)
We all know what happens at the end of the fourth war, and at the beginning of the fifth, only Zouken, Kotomine, Gilgamesh, Kiritsugu, and Iliya know the truth.

>>715838997
>This is your brain on tantric magic

>>715840276
People have problems because they mix EVERYTHING up.
The original Heaven Feels ritual is one thing.
The Holy Grail War and the rules are another.

>>715840502
Nothing like that has ever happened thoughbeit.

>>715838997
>The legendary "king" of Britain
>eaten out by a Japanese (German? Hafu?) high school girl and fucked by a ginger high school boy

>>715835578
>2.3 MB
> I'm amazed that the holy grail is still vague after all this time, nobody can agree how powerful or how important it actually is.
read the fucking vn

>>715840616
GAY BULG IS LIGHTNING FAST AND ALWAYS HITS THE TARGET; YOUR HEART

never kills anyone

>>715835578
The artifact being fought over in the HGW is an attempt to create an imitation of the holy grail. It is not the real grail, and it is not even a complete imitation. The grail needs to be fueled by the souls of hundreds if not thousands of dead servants, and the goal of the HGW system is to secretly feed it a handful at a time without triggering the GAIA alarm. Servants who die in HGW do not return to the throne, they (the servant, the aspect of the hero manifested by the throne of heroes under the class card system. Not the eternal soul of the hero themselves*) are consumed by the grail.
The grail is currently tainted because it consumed avenger, who is the incarnation of an evil god rather than a heroic servant. The grail is intended to fueled by the heroic myth of the heroes it has consumed but as of the 4th and then 5th grail war it has consumed 20-30 servants properly and also one evil god, which means the vast majority of its magical energy is 'an incomplete artifact of an evil god's wrath' more than it is 'a very incomplete artifact of ancient heroic myth' as it is intended to be. Each successive HGW is intended to make the powers of the grail artifact stronger until it eventually becomes an artifact on par with the true holy grail, but as of the 4th and 5th HGW it can weakly grant a heroic wish to aid in a quest but also release a significant amount of an evil gods wrath.

Ironically, if saber actually died properly and were consumed by the grail, her heroic myth in its entirety would do a great deal to empower the grail properly and counteract avengers evil.
>*saber and avenger are exceptions because they are not heroic servants made by the throne, they are the actual being. It is unclear whether this applies to EMIYA as a counter guardian but it is unlikely that GAIA was willing to give him up so it is likely that archer is a manifestation of EMIYA and not his actual being.

>>715840502
This is why Nasu is the best, FMD muramasa and Dies Irae dont even come close

>>715841000
Avenger wasn't really a god but just some guy that was turned into a divine scapegoat but the Grail after it had not gotten any wishes got Avenger and decided his being counted as a wish and so went ahead to make an actual Angry Manjew

>>715833416 (OP)
I don't care what zoomies say. Mana Transfer was canon. Captain Jackhammer lives on!

the fact that everyone has a different answer is telling

>>715841000
What are you talking about?
The grail only needs about seven servants to fulfill it's true purpose and 6 is already enough to grant most realistic wishes. No ritual had been successful but if the 3 families had their way, the first one would have been the last one.
Each of the families wanted something different from the ritual, the Einzberns want to reclaim the third magic that they lost and for that they need to reach the root again. Zouken wanted to get there because of his obsession with justice and Justizee. And Toshaka was merely the local mage who wanted to reach the root for his own order.

>>715840930
Sader got some tig ole bitties

>>715841779
The first one would never have happened because it already failed.
Three Servants weren't enough.
That's why they created the "Holy Grail War."
The first "war" was the ritual.

>>715840930
finnish

>>715841000
Is this FGO lore or something when was this explained

>>715833416 (OP)
fuck Rin is so hot

>>715838997
>>715840930
>Hey dad! It's nice to meet you!
>Huh? What do you mean you don't recognize me?
>What do you mean you don't know who mom is?
>What do you mean you're a woman?
>What do you mean you have no penis?
>What do you mean you don't even know how I exist?
>What do you mean I'm a product of magic incest sperm transfer into a homunculus that was artificially aged up when I'm really 10 years old?
>...
>I hate you!

>>715842063
fate/side material book, i believe it is also published in fate/complete material III but I never read that.

>>715841979
No, even in the first one they prepared 4 outsiders to act as sacrifices. It wasn't called a grail war then and the rules were very lax and I think it was referred as a small quarrel that ended before completion while the second one was called a lawless bloodbath.

Explain to me one thing... why is the Mage's Association ok with 3 random families running a backwater ritual that could potentially alter the very fabric of reality?

>>715843156
they dont have any control over it

Reminder this is not from a doujin
This is official content

>>715843210
...no

>>715843156
Mages don't care about colateral damage as long it's swept up and normies don't notice, the fact that it can open a path to the root is far more important.

>>715843156
Mages are weird like that, focused on their own grand plans and objectives while ignoring the rest.
The fuyuki war is in the grand scheme of things just one of several messed up things that happen from time to time. It's true that they aren't aware of the full extent of the grail, thinking it is merely a wishgranter and not a recreation of the third magic that is this close of reaching the root but even then they also usually deal with things that are just as bad and closer at home.

>>715833416 (OP)
i've been fapping to rin for almost 20 years and i still have never played or read anything to do with fate

>>715843210
At least one fucking adaption kept the sex in.

i read fsn, fha, original tsuki, kagetsu, watched all of zero and knk, played extra and ccc and extella, beat all the stories in the melty bloods, and own mahoyoru to read soon, and i still dont understand any of the deeper type moon lore about the magic shit. i just like to see the characters do cool things relating to the surface level stories

>>715843203
Aren't they like a governing body for mages? Couldn't they send some mage assassins to get rid of the 3 families?

>>715843339
>>715843420
Yeah but it's not like they would benefit from it. Sure, they had a representative in the the 4th grail war, and presumably prior grail wars but in the 5th they had no one.

>>715843786
>but in the 5th they had no one.
They did. Medea's Master was from the Association. He just gets killed by her immediately every route.

>>715834693
they do it because mages are autistic about the proper rules, which is why kiritsugi got shat on so much.

>>715843728
based

My mind is full of fate, tonight I'll sleep good. Thread accomplished.

>>715839557
you can open the path to the root and observe it to learn a bunch of shit without actually touching it but you're close enough

>>715844138
How long ago did you first read it? Almost been 10 years for me now, it has definitely lived in my head this entire time and most likely until I die

>>715843156
Because in theory all three families have a united goal, they're just trying to find The Root which most traditional mages want.

>hearing this for the first time
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4xsfkhcw-A
Knew I was in for kino

>>715843156
basically they were vaguely interested in the first HGW ritual in 1810 and then after it failed they stopped caring. every 40 years the three families show up again to beg for magi to participate as masters and desperately cope that this time its going to work for real, and every 40 years the actual established magi of the clocktower laughs at them as they recruit a pile of desperate losers who have nothing else to turn to, spill their spaghetti everywhere, and nothing happens as the Xth Holy Grail War fails yet again.

>>715839557
"the root" isn't well defined, it's the spiritual realm / heaven / akasha
the grail is a magical construct designed to reach it but nobody knows if it will work or not

>>715844258
I will remember Shirou, Shirou, and Shirou for the rest of my life

>>715844258
The answer will disappoint you. I'm a secondary and only watched lots of lore videos and the anime. I have the VN on my computer but cannot force myself to play it. It's too long and I know what happens already.

>>715833416 (OP)
Sorry girl but saber is already my gf, I will pump saber with so much cum she will get pregnant no matter if she's servant or not.

>>715844632
fucking zoomers

>>715843786
Their representative was Bazzet who was instantly taken out by Kirei, and Medea original master was also a part of the association, even if he just went there for a reputation boost.

>>715843786
Bazette was sent to be the representative but Kotomine tricked her and stole her command spells and Cú.

>>715844676
Rin is Bi so it's fine.

>>715834092
It's almost never worth stealing a servant because any servant that accepts a master transfer can't be trusted to not betray you if they think the next master is better. Unless you were a mana battery you will also weaken your servant that was good enough to get you into such a position in the first place for a servant bad enough that their master is forced to surrender with them still alive.

>>715835578
The grail is merely a ritual to reach the root, it does not grant any wish but allow you reach the root. The root is a pool of potentially limitless power as long as you are able to tap into it, allowing you to grant any wish yourself including but not limited to manipulating reality itself. Whether the grail actually allows you to use the roots energy is a whole different question. No one, at least in the original works, managed to actually obtain and use the grail before it was corrupted and all the families capable of actually making use of the ritual collapsed in no small part due to the ritual itself.

Should I read Prisma?

>>715844360
>and every 40 years the actual established magi of the clocktower laughs at them as they recruit a pile of desperate losers who have nothing else to turn to
Wasn't Kayneath kind of a big deal? Like, I know Fate/Zero treated him like absolute shit, getting rekt by Kiritsugu and getting cucked by his Servant but from what I remember Kayneath was something of a top dog at the association.

>>715844893
Nobody in the pre shittification nasuverse has reached the root or completed the holy grail ritual so what happens if you get there is unknown

The anal jackhammering scene is Rider manipulating Shirou's dreams, not the actual Rin, stop slandering my wife.

>>715844895
That's Shirou from Miyu's world, right? Definitely the coolest Shirou's ever been.

>>715834948
Except Nasu said everything is canon, including fanworks, thanks to the multiverse existing in the Fate franchise.

>>715844893
It's shown in later works that reaching the root doesn't mean instantly reshaping reality, other mages have managed to reach it and the users of true magic are those who reached it and came back.
Any larger scale reality tampering would be instantly stopped by the counter force or pruned away so it's not as if you can make absolutely anything happen.

>>715845051
Mahoyo explains it in quite detail and it is actually Nasu's first real work so I would consider it valid.
You basically either merge with it and lose your individuality or come back with a super power.

>>715845247
>my fanfic about zouken making a harem out of all the fsn girls is canon

>>715845310
>it is actually Nasu's first real work
wasn't it released in 2012?

>>715845342
meant for >>715845227

You know it's a good story when every single fucking person has their own headcannon on what the grail/root is and does.

>>715845427
The world of FSN is good because it's based on real mysticism

you guys are such fucking mongrels

>>715845427
the holy grail is a story that goes back to ancient times, its like the chess of stories

>>715845369
The VN of Mahoyo is based on his first actual web novel from the nineties which was incomplete and I don't remember if it was before or after Notes but it was definitely before KnK. In fact, Aoko appearing in Tsukihime was meant to be a sort of cameo.

>>715845008
Keyneath was a hero nerd who collected heroic artifacts and mystic codes wanted to participate in a HGW for the same reason that a bunch of rich people used to pay money to watch nukes be dropped on Coral Atoll and still climb everest.

>>715845509
KAKAKAKAKAKA

>>715845591
>me when I see cunny

I work the graveyard shift, it's 3am here and I'm listening to the EMIYA theme
I'm also doing the shirou pose, I'm so cool (I'm fat)

>>715845008
He was a Lord from the Clock Tower, not one of the ruling families, but a big deal regardless. In magecraft and lineage he was far above everyone else in the war.
However he was a researcher first and foremost not a soldier or a killer so Kerry simply took advantage of it to kill him.
And he only offered to be the representative because of Clock Tower politics.

>>715845712
If I showed up could we pretend to do the UBW fight with shirou and archer?

>>715845342
>>715845407
Yes, it probably won't ever be referenced by anything other than your own fanworks, but it's canon in the sense that canonity is meaningless in the Fate franchise.

>>715843156
they aren't, that's why they hold the ritual in bumblefuck japan on the opposite side of the world from the clock tower.

>>715833416 (OP)

>>715845881
>Implying Luvia is on the level of actual heroines
If a work ever comes out where she's not simply pining for her rivals boyfriend and actually wins then she will be worthy of being in waifu fights.
However, we all know that day will never come unfortunately

>>715845881
so who's canonically the strongest servant
personally I like SABER the most

>>715843728
>hasn't watched Waver's anime
come on bro, you're missing out.

>>715845215
Oath under snow was surprisingly cool for something that came out of Prillya.

>>715843156
They aren't, that's why El-Melloi II is able to convince the Clock Tower to let him go destroy the ritual once he explains what they're actually doing over there.

>>715846180
Luvia best girl

>>715834815
you mean like Apocrypha? and Zero? the ref's always crooked. it's a war for a wish, everyone's pulling all the stops

>>715846415
Case Files may suck but the drunk midget justifies it's existence.

>>715845427
>every single fucking person has their own headcannon on what the grail/root is and does.
??? it was established in the extended Fate Dex/lab canon that "you can drink from it, and it'll never spill" why would people need more?

>>715846552
In all realities where Rin does not fuck Shirou, Rin turns gay. We aren't sure why this happens but the data collected is staggering.

The whole complaining about the rules is retarded. Don't take shit at face value and don't assume the people in power will play fair.

>>715842463
>magic incest sperm transfer
You forgot the futa part.

>>715846919
>"Merlin, I can't have gossip in the court about my identity. As a disguise, use your magic to turn me into a man."
>"I have a funnier idea."

>>715842463
>Even after all the spin offs and 9 years of fgo, we have never had a scene with Artoria, Mordred and Morgan (true) interacting together
I hate Nasu autism making him not use Saber in anything. Why make Arthurian mythos such a big deal when Arthur is not allowed to interact with anyone there?

>>715846860
Love this artist

>>715847223
>Whole summer event centered around "Artoria"
>Lancer Artoria is the one the KOTR kneel to and Saber hasn't shown up yet
>Saber herself hasn't had a single vaguely important role in a main chapter or important event because her 80 alts take her place
>Saber barely appears anywhere else in person in the extended Nasuverse
I'm a Castoria fan so I don't mind but I can only imagine Saberfags aren't very happy with things. Well the ones that care about the Nasuverse past SN or HA at least

>>715848442
I remember reading in an interview once that he considers Artoria story to be closed, that's why he doesn't really want to use her serious stories. But since using her is such a big deal, he also never uses her for events except for extremely specific exceptions.
Because of this her role has to be replaced by her several alter egos like Lion King and Castoria, so we never actually see how og Saber would react to the mess that are the KotRT or the fairies.

I need to have sex with Taiga.

Why is Rin's anus so defenseless again?

>>715845585
>he was a rich nerd who went there for shits and giggles
>>715845794
>he only went there for politics
>>715846539
>he needed to convince the association to let him go destroy them

So, which is it fags???

>>715849223
The first two are basically the same, he went there just to prove a point and gain prestige among the other nobles of the clock tower.
The third one is not Kayneth but Waver (El Melloi II) and it's about the post war that happens in the post Fate and UBW timelines where Waver basically sets up a team to dismantle the greater grail. Nasu mentioned it in a couple of interviews and how it was another crazy fuck up but it was never written. Though Case Files seems to be setting it up.

>>715849223
>>he was a rich nerd who went there for shits and giggles
That's Kayneth Lord El-Melloi Archibald.
>>he only went there for politics
No, that anon is just wrong. The politics angle is pulled as a ruse in Fate/Accel Zero Order, but it was not any kind of plot in actuality. He went of his own volition to participate in what he thought was a contest of magical skill to show off.
>>he needed to convince the association to let him go destroy them
That's Waver Velvet "Big Ben LondonStar" Lord El-Melloi II, who got the title after the other guy died.

Kayneth was such an idiot, can you imagine summoning a servant famous for charming women, then using your wife as the mana battery to sustain him instead of doing it yourself?

>>715849495
>>715849631
Wait, so Waver goes to destroy the Fubuki Grail War when he's an adult? That means there's another war after FSN? How?

>>715849862
To be fair Diarmuid wasn't his choice, he was going for Iskandar. And the mana battery plan must've been in the works for years, it would be crazy to abandon it at that point.

>>715849862
Reminder that Diarmuid was a little BITCH and a FAGGOT.
https://youtu.be/zpz5WgRlGLM?si=0LEpFmNbvd_nMm-X

>>715850004
Diarmuid wasn't his first choice, but he didn't summon him by accident, he acquired a relic of Diarmuid's to summon him iirc.

>>715850109
lets be real, we can't hold ANYONE up to Cu's standards, fucking nobody is as much of a bro as Cu Chulainn.

>>715850185
Yeah he had to get one on short notice after Waver stole his. I don't know what his options were at that point but probably not great.

>>715849983
>That means there's another war after FSN? How?
It's not a Grail War, it's just a regular magi scuffle.
But apparently it was about as chaotic as a Grail War.

>>715849983
Here's a quote from the materials a couple years ago
>2010s - The taking apart of the Holy Grail War.
>Ten years after the Fifth War. Lord Emelloi II (real name, Waver Velvet. One of the Masters of the Fourth War) arrived in Fuyuki and together with the head of the Tohsaka line, set out to completely take apart the Great Grail. The Association was planning on bring back the Greater Grail, so the two sides were completely opposed. After the end of the great turmoil of the same magnitude as the Grail War, the Greater Grail was completely dismantled. The Grail Wars of Fuyuki came to a complete conclusion here.
It's just a footnote to explain what happens in Fate and UBW since the greater grail isn't destroyed at the end, meaning that a new war would happen. They also mention that even after HF ending some cleanup work needed to be done.

>>715850264
Yeah but Tardmuid was still a bitch and Kayneath deserved better.

>>715850604
It still would've been a disaster for him even if he got Iskandar like he wanted. Anyways Diarmuid is still cool, I find Cu to be kind of overwanked by the fandom.

>>715850604
Did he really though? feel like Kayneth and Diarmuid deserved each other.

>>715850691
the fans wank Cu because the writers wank Cu. every anime adaptation makes Cu cooler and cooler than he was in the last.

>>715850750
I know. I thought Cu was pretty okay in the VN but everything cool he does is basically because he has Battle Continuation, and then the rest of his time in the story is just him missing his Gae Bolg guaranteed hit every time possible.

>>715834815
nothing ever goes like its "supposed to" in these wars. theyre a big scam

>>715850750
Cu was always supposed to be a pretty big deal and a very strong servant, but since fsn was a stand alone at that point, he ended looking middle of the road. Later adaptations simply try to show that he's not just a random jobber that exists to hype other people up.

how did the le fate is confusing meme start

>>715850702
It's explained that the grail will always try to summon someone who is somewhat aligned with their summoner. This doesn't mean that they will get along or work well together, but there are meant to be parallels drawn between them. That's why they all get servant dreams that leave them uncomfortable.

>>715833416 (OP)
Isn't this just realistic writing for a woman?

>>715850750
He's basically Irish Hercules

>>715850750
>>715851157
Hell, he lasted longer against Gil than Herc

>>715850604
What would happen if CU was summoned instead of Tardmuid? How much better would Kayneth have fared in the war?

>>715851072
>That's why they all get servant dreams that leave them uncomfortable.
What?

Was it really impossible for him to win the War? What if he had a different servant instead of Lancelot?

>>715834092
>trusting the nasuverse church to protect you
The objectively best play is while having the master dead to rights have the master order the suicide of his servant and then killing the master immediately after. Failing that, taking the command seals, then killing the master, then ordering the suicide of the servant. You are not Kotomine or Zouken, you haven't the prana to power two servants and the security risk that having a turncoat that would be more than eager to backstab you is a thing that is too dangerous to contend with.

>>715851326
I'm not sure Cu could beat Kiri/Iri Saber because Saber can survive Gae Bolg and then Irisviel can heal her unlike Shirou

He can insakill Gilles' monster

Loses to Gil again

Not sure how it would go against Iskandar or Lancelot

>>715851431
He'd need a servant capable of supporting themselves, which precludes Berserkers entirely. An Archer, a Caster, or some other servant with adequate independent options. Berserkers are never it, and he used the added aria to demand the Berserker class at Zouken's insistence. He was doomed from the start, the only salvation would be someone else summoning Berserker before he did.

>>715851360
All masters dream of their servants memories and vice versa because of the connection they share. Those memories are usually of things they find relatable since those are things that caused them to be summoned in the first place.

>>715840986
That's because most things it hits are capable of tanking a hit to the heart.

>>715846860
>thick but obviously not fat bodies
If only more artists could draw women with body types like this. I hate that most can only do super thin or grotesquely obese instead of nailing this sweet spot.

This is what Nature intended women to look like.

>>715845215
>>715846482
Miyuverse Shirou is a gigachad, basically HF Shirou on steroids and without the worms. 3rei can be likened to the FSN Illya route we never got to see. Ironically Miyuverse Sakura is a much more fun version than HF Sakura too.
The first 2 seasons are just really generic mahou shoujo, but with tons of loli fanservice and Zero/HA fate references.

>>715851431
He was a shitty master, and even shittier magus and his personality made him entirely incompatible with a grail war.
The only way for him to win is for everyone else to take each other out and for him to grab the spoils, which isn't really that weird of a scenario but it's not something he can count on happening.

>>715850702
>be an s tier magus who's been extremely talented from birth
>spend probably like a decade if not more preparing for the grail war
>get an artifact that will guarantee you one of the greatest historical figures ever
>some little shit steals your artifact
>get stuck with some literal who heroic spirit whose only defining trait is that he's a womanizer
>get cucked by said servant
>get cheesed by some edgy faggot and his asspull anti-mage bullets
Sure, he was arrogant and lacked combat experience but it's not like he was taking the grail war lightly. He sure as hell deserved better.

>>715851431
He was a pathetic faggot obsessed with another man's wife and daughter. A worthless literal cuck.

>>715850702
They did. Deermud was an asshole who wanted to hijack the grail war for his chivalry fantasies. Saber was mischaracterized to go along with his bullshit at the expense of her own master and goals. And I can't believe I have to say this two times in one post but he was also a walking cuck fetish with his stupid charm mole. I hate the Zero characters so fucking much.

>>715851702

fate is such a shit franchise, it's only kept alive by gambling addicts with single digit IQ

>>715851775
>one of the greatest historical figures ever
>only manages to beat assassin and then insta-jobs to Gil
Rider was overrated.

>>715833416 (OP)
Kino...

>>715851914
They are pretty true to life there in Zero, most "heroes" of human history are awful fucking people with massive body counts that resorted to murder over the slightest misunderstanding, or just whenever their feefees got hurt. And cucking was a constant thing too.

>>715851951

Is Assassin the most cucked and useless servant type or what? Imagine being incapable of fighting other servants.

>>715852145
No, they're pretty good, their problem is that in both wars that we see in detail they happen to be treated as completely expendable.

Servantverse is canon and the Root is the Sapphire galaxy. The reason why reaching the root gives you powers is because of the extremely dense mana concentration in the Sapphire Galaxy, and it being a parallel world is what makes it so hard to access in the first place.

>>715833416 (OP)
Fate/Zero is the only respectable entry in the entire franchise.

>>715852145
No, they serve a purpose, that is killing masters efficiently. Cursed Arm does it in HF proper and in several bad endings without much issue. When you only need to kill the master, why even fight whatever broken half God servant he summoned.
It's even mentioned in Apoc that in the incomplete grail wars that happened before the story there was a huge Assassin meta since it was the most efficient and fast way to win when masters weren't prepared and the servants weren't that strong.

>>715852204
100 faces would've been fucking broken if Kirei had actually used them properly.

>>715851993
He was fighting what is called the strongest of all heroes and forced him to pull out his strongest weapon.
While it's true that other very strong servants have been added to the franchise, we have also seen that a lot of servants are literally fodder tier when compared to the things we see in Zero and fsn.

>>715852360
Presence Concealment True is far more busted than people give it credit for.

>>715852145
I don't think Nasu ever intended for them to be that good when he made FSN. The class along with berserkers were written as plot devices with very boring simple characters, probably because the cast was already too big without having to focus on them. Assassins have to basically shout out to everyone that they are about to attack whenever they make a move, so they should always be trash as long as masters don't leave themselves open for no reason. The three knight classes were clearly biased to be the strongest, with the three families all choosing them to be favored over whatever outsiders get tricked into fighting in the grail war.

You could argue the assassin class is at least consistent since you'll always get a hassan. Apoc lore not made by Nasu says they were really fucking good but then got metagamed with every hassan having a counter. This allowed other servants to be summoned for the class (along with berserkers), meaning the class didn't have to be a boring plot device. You also have the two strongest hassans being summoned in FSF and FGO, they are pretty stupidly broken, but the former is not made by Nasu and the latter is made for a gay gacha. In fact it's likely the FSF hassan was meant to be the same hassan that was created in FGO, but the FSF writer was too fucking slow and vague then has to rework his character when the gacha beat him to the punch.

>>715852428
Yeah, and Hassan of the Cursed Arm would have done way better by himself if he didn't get summoned like 10 entire days into the war.

>>715852354
Fate/Zero is not respectable.

>>715851993
>iskandar is overrated because... he lost to mr. fate haxor
Iskandar basically fought without a Master and he was still one of the biggest threats and he's the only opponent we've ever seen Gilgamesh not play around with. Not saying he could have won with Kay but he sure as hell could have achieved more.

>>715852707
Would Iskander try to cuck Kayneth if they were working together?

>>715851993
It's not really that Iskandar is overrated but more that Gil is ridiculously overpowered, and while there was a reasoning for it, it was taken too far and thus clashed with the setting itself. Gil is the odd one out and frankly every Fate entry would be significantly better either without him or with him reduced to a more appropriate power level.

>>715852145
Assassin is the second strongest servant class. Fighting servants is a trap. Too many things can go wrong. The optimal servant is someone that can kill the master without fighting the servant, being able to target the master mid fight with the servant, and being able to escape if either of the two conditions above aren't met.

A high end caster is the strongest servant because of that, but assassin is the safer option. assassins can be negated with preperations but if you take a caster like Medea and simply orbital bombardment the masters location and teleport away if unsuccessful what the fuck can the enemy even do?

>>715852650
>>715852648
Actually even in FSN Hassan could have won the war. We literally get a scene where he has Rin and Shirou in his sights while they are unaware and the only reason he doesn't go through with it is because Zouken tells him not to do it since he needs them alive to break Sakura. The narration mentions that Hassan thinks that is stupid and not taking them out there would only hurt them in the long run but is forced to obey.

>>715852745
Nah, Kayneth would have treated him with enough respect for him to reciprocate.

Why didn't Lancer ever use his runes if they are supposedly really strong and we know for a fact that he can use some of them even as a Lancer?

>>715852745
Nah, Kayneth would have treated him with enough respect for him to reciprocate.

>>715852932
Kayneth would treat Iskandar with respect but I don't think Iskandar would've liked him at all. It still sounds like a doomed team to me even ignoring Gil.

>>715852820
>simply orbital bombardment the masters location and teleport away if unsuccessful what the fuck can the enemy even do?
We literally see her try that and fail, not to mention that anything to overt will simply have everyone ally against them like what happened to Gilles.
Casters are purposely nerfed in grail wars with the knight classes having magic resistance that makes them pretty much obsolete outside of scheming.

>>715852937
Because he can't fully access them as Lancer and in serious combat they wouldn't be useful.

>>715852932
Kayneth didn't view the servants as people. He saw them as any other mystic codes and expected them to be controllable puppets no different from his mercury blob. He was extremely annoyed when he found out that they can talk.

>>715851072
>the grail will always try to summon someone who is somewhat aligned with their summoner
Isn't that only when there isn't a catalyst?

How would have Kerry handled Medea? Hail Mary origin bullets are an obvious choice but she would be probably too smart and well-prepared to get hit by one to begin with.

>>715853037
Yeah but he initially would be annoyed with Iskandar but he would quickly reevaluate his situation when dealing with a bona fide conqueror.

>>715852648
>FSF hassan was meant to be the same hassan that was created in FGO, but the FSF writer was too fucking slow and vague
I'm think First Hassan already existed by the time true Assassin appeared. And Firsts Hassan was written by Nasu himself.
Regardless, SF has the issue of trying to power creep everything so much that the end result loses impact. Just look at Zealot, I can use all the zabaniyas at the same time among others.

>>715853019
That's the great thing about high end casters though. If used optimally as super assassins even if they fail they are just gone and can try again whenever the next opportunity presents itself. What is the servant gonna do, go chasing after a teleporting caster that can repeatedly teleport and fire magic at their master? No they're gonna be smart and not leave their masters side, attack over defense over see you tomorrow.
Knights magic resistance is irrelevant if you never fight servants. The master doesn't have magic resistance capable of stopping them and they're the only target.
The only downside is you can get a shitter for a caster instead of a high end one while even the weaker assassins are usually capable of being an assassin.

>>715853191
She wasn't well-prepared enough for Rin's FISTS heh

>>715834524
>Over two fucking decades
>Older than /v/
>Older than most of you.
>People still point out this like it isn't the fucking plot, and pointed out at every turn.
>Never ever gonna change.
>Criminal lack of attention the actual warcrime that Rin only does anal in the dream realm.

This is why I always kill cats before I put them in the box.

>>715853191
F/Z Saber would just wreck Medea.

>>715853312
I feel like there's a joke in there to be made about defenseless anuses and fists doing what fists do, but I can't be bothered to dig deep enough.

>>715853183
Even with a catalyst, it will summon the version of a servant that most matches the summoner. That's why FHA explains that Sakura got rider and not some of the more monster versions of her.

>>715853309
They literally explain why you cannot just randomly try to nuke whoever you want. It would bring too much attention and force everyone against you and there are many ways for mages and servants to find you. Not to mention that servants are constrained to their vessel so even Medea needed to literally highjack the ley line and drain as many people as posible to create balls of destruction that Saber and Archer brush aside as if they were pebbles. And remember that, while no Merlin, Medea is a very good caster in relation to the other members of the class.

What it ever explained how Solomon won his grail war?

>>715853580
If the Association could memory hole Cthulhu from the minds of thousands, they can memory hole anything. Especially considering you also have shit like the first Excaliblast of the game being witnessed by the entire city of the Fuyuki because it turned the middle of the night into daytime for like 10 seconds and cleaved the clouds clearly in two.

>>715853758
He won the moment he was summoned. That's it. He makes every other servant do the kneel meme then they disappear. He's a gay gacha character made solely to force the gay gacha plotline, he has no bearing outside of that.

>>715853580
>>715853769
Also Archer's Caladbolg in UBW exploded like a fucking nuke.

>>715853758
He invented the diet magic mages use so he could probably just desummon the other servants.

>the "holy grail" is literally just a giant pile of cum
How exactly did this franchise get popular again?

>>715836378
Only good post ITT

>>715853210
Zealot is all spectacle. She has an astonishing list of abilities that she fucking fails at leveraging in any meaningful way. She is Assassin Gilgamesh.

>>715853987
Because it's good and has best girl of all time.

>FSN receives an ultra successful live action adaptation, Nasu becomes the GRRM of the next decade
Yea or nay?

>>715833416 (OP)
Did you just say something about mages and sex? I'm sorry, but I'm interrupting this program with something more important - an extended length cooking show. You WILL know what Shirou made for breakfast today (and everyday) and you WILL like it.

>>715844895
Unironically yes, but only if you go in with the understanding that, depending on your tastes,
>it's a loli ecchi series until halfway through Drei
>it stops being a loli ecchi series halfway through Drei

>>715854116
Am I misremembering that there was this thing in the VN where Shirou always prepared eastern food, Sakura was an expert on western cuisine, and Rin was the expert on all things chinese?

>>715853758
God literally told him to win and since Solomon is a turbo autist he did just that.

>>715836378
>>715854026
>tall greek chick that is always embarassed about being tall and hot
perfection

Rider would be even hotter if she had short hair.

>>715854231
Yeah that's right. Always though it strange since Rin is obviously more western focused. I guess not everything has to align perfectly.

>>715835578
It was made with at least one family's true magic or pseudo true magic, since the einzbenrs "lost" it. Where any spell effect can be managed by spending a premium of mana, hence why the Einzbern family use custom made homunculi with retarded prana capacity instead of people nowadays. So the Grail is probably more in line with "whatever effect you can theoretically manage with Thaumaturgy" Considering this includes the permanent creation of matter, copying of souls, multiversal bs, and perfect clone banks. It's somewhat powerful as a "wish granter".

Can servants use true magic?

>>715854471
Kirei's influence, I suppose. Both in cuisine and in martial arts.

>>715854048

>>715854623
None of the Five, unless you count Aoko and Alice as guest servants in F/GO. Age of Gods magi use what would be considered True Magic in their lifetime but is degraded to Magecraft now.
None of Yumina, Zelretch, or the original Einbzerns are legendary figures and so they are not servants. Aoko and Alice shouldn't be, either, really, but F/GO has to have familiar faces so it adds some exceptions to exceptions.

>>715841721
>Mana Transfer was canon
It has actual precedence in occultism beyond porn logic. Fate adapted to the times and killed the magic.

>>715841721
Wasn't there some other place it said that poorfag mages sold their cum?

>>715843156
I don't know but how would Kiritsugu letting Shirou know about his psycho loli older sister change the story?

>>715855035
literally the first sex scene

>>715833416 (OP)
make sure to report this game and get it removed from steam

Among all major mage characters in Nasu's works:
Which has your favorite magic style/type?
Which would you argue is actually the most effective?

ngl, miss infinite doll clones red is pretty up there.

>>715855154
It's already sterilized, retard.

>>715853758
Would've been dope if the Grands all stayed being Abrahamic servants.

>>715855180
Don't care, still reporting it.

>>715855180
ok coomer

>>715855179
I like Rin's automatic magecraft counters.

>>715845120
Rider
Ilya
Kotomine's Daughter
Rin
Arturia
Caster
Homunculus Twins
Fuji-nee
Generic Schoolgirls
Power Gap
Iseei
Power Gap
Worm Slut

Tier List (Objective and True)

>>715855179
Bazett is the best. Punchmages should be more common, like, it's just such a self-evident thing to use mana to make yourself far faster and stronger than you otherwise would be. And Fragarach is cool, too.

>>715845342
I like the canon universe where Tsukihime, Kara no Kyoukai, elements of FSN, and Fate Protoype are the singular canon timeline.

>>715855070
I don't think Kiri ever found out what happened to Illya or that she turned into a psycho.

>>715855436
>self-evident thing to use mana to make yourself far faster and stronger than you otherwise would be
Literally all mages do that regularly. Hell, we even have Rin beat up Medea herself in fsn. Bazzet is an outlier because she's more boar than human thanks to her family.

>>715855590
Bazett, a boar? That's not a kind thing to say about a lady.

>>715855547
No, the several trips oversees that Shirou mentions he did were him trying to reach the Einzbern state to rescue Illya. However since he betrayed the family, the Einzbern head simply made it impossible for him to find the castle, meaning he never managed to see her again.

>>715855179
Puppeteering is my favorite magus type, but my favorite magus in particular is Kashin Koji over Touko. "Puppeteer who became the puppet" is my kind of aesthetic.

>>715855675
>lady
Anon, she's Irish.

>>715854048
It's actually trash and only appeals to mindless sex obsessed losers.

>>715855870
Why is Ireland full of sluts in the Nasuverse?

>>715856004
>in the Nasuverse

>>715855779
Oh I didn't actually answer the second part.
Most effective is kind of a vague quantity, though? Effective at what? Killing people? Being useful in a day to day situation? Reaching the root?
I would enjoy puppeteering the best because it's so extremely practical in every kind of scenario in life. If you can't figure out a way, build a new way. It's great for even combat scenarios, as combat through proxy is always more secure than putting yourself in actual risk.
The ability to construct life is always a divine act.

>>715853758
He used his jew magics to directly attack the credit rating of the other masters.

>>715855179
Technically not a mage,but i liked Roa's numerology stuff.It can surprising do a lot with what's essentially just "lighting goes zap zap"

>>715854623
yes but no but yes. most heroes of the age of the gods were capable of magic in some capacity, and even in the age of faeries where true magic was mostly dead the humans attuned to the fading remnants of magic tended to become the heroes of those ages. the acquisition of magic beyond the realm of mere magecraft is basically a requirement for one to move beyond mystery and become myth. obviously, this doesnt mean literal spells cast by a wizard, but any feat or technique that is far beyond comprehension such as the Hassan leaders of the hashshashin during the medieval period. Any skilled assassin could act in such a way as to kill their target in a closed room while leaving no trace, but the Hassan were a level beyond this, and their mastery beyond mystery is what qualifies them as heroic myths.

that said, servants summoned correctly under the class system through the throne of heroes are nerfed to the level of a servant in the age of man. they can release their magic either as a magecraft in a limited capacity within the realms of the third magic via the crystallization of the noble phantasm, and some are able to use magic freely but only in the boundaries of a reality marble - once again created through the third magic via a noble phantasm. in the sense of the world of man, even heroes who were once capable of magic feats are, when summoned thorough the servant system, limited in capacity as high grade magecrafts.

>>715855923

>>715853365
I don't recall Rin ever doing anal

>>715845227
>Nasu canonizing Achilles vs Cuchulainn
Finally, he did something based.

>>715843534
that is because gudao and gudako are their stupid kids

>>715854623
Technically speaking true magic is five specific ways to break reality in a way that's impossible for humans to do. According to Mahoyo, there were only five thrones and once someone sat on it, it was impossible for anyone else to get it.
Some servants may do things that are comparable to true magic or even things that are objectively stronger in some ways, but unless a magician was turned into a servant then they wouldn't be able to use them.

This is a Jeanne thread

I like Archer

>>715856331
He still is a mage. Being a Dead Apostle doesn't mean you're not a mage.

>>715855179
>ngl, miss infinite doll clones red is pretty up there.
You said it and I won't argue. That said I fucking love Da Vinci's creativity and aesthetic.

>>715855779
> "Puppeteer who became the puppet" is my kind of aesthetic.
Touko herself makes the point that once the puppet becomes a perfect replica the distinction becomes meaningless.

>>715857275
>Touko herself makes the point that once the puppet becomes a perfect replica the distinction becomes meaningless.
Yeah which is exactly NOT my aesthetic. I love Kashin Koji being blatantly mechanical and very, very distinct from a living being.

>>715856750
>According to Mahoyo, there were only five thrones
There were 0 magics until there was 1 magic and then as of the third magi there was limitless potential for magic. it was only after the fourth and fifth magic that there is a limitation to only five magics, because of what the fourth and fifth magic are.

>>715857571
Fair enough, I also have a balljoint fetish.

>>715858371
It's not purely a dolljoint fetish, the fascination extends broadly to the general transhumanist ideal of treating the whole body as something that can be replaced and improved upon.
Yes I'm also the kind of loser to have Sasori as my favorite Akatsuki.

>>715833834
It was originally going to be an otome game

>>715860003
>treating the whole body as something that can be replaced and improved upon.
It absolutely can be. The only things that are irreplaceable, I'd say, are just the brain, spinal cord and the nervous system. Everything else is just interchangeable meat and with sufficient advancement, you could probably ship-of-Theseus yourself even down to the neurons.

>>715861063
And in Fate, even more than that. Kashin Koji has replaced even her brains and nervous system. The only organic part of her at all is her left eye, because she couldn't bear to lose the personal-identity trait of "I have red eyes". She has the talent to stitch a soul into wood and metal. The form is nothing but a choice for her.

>>715861063
>>715861315
>Full body cybernetics will never be available within your lifetime
It's not fair.

>>715861315
>my noble phantasm? I made it out of wood, specially to fool you

People who would ever be willing to replace any part of their bodies with synthetic parts of their own volition creep me out. Flesh and blood is supreme.

>>715862741
>Flesh and blood is supreme.
>thoracic vertebrae moves an inch forward and now you're paralyzed from the neck down for the rest of your life

>>715862870
I'd rather be Nature's bitch than the bitch of whatever gigacorporation corners the cybernetics market inevitably.

>>715862741
The idea that the blind smith called evolution has hammered out perfection when all it makes is "good enough" is madness.
I hope you enjoy the day you get cancer. I hope you love your traitorous flesh as deeply then as you do now.

>>715862932
>not hacking your cyber augs so they are divested from corporate fuckery

>>715862949
Wouldn't you resent not being able to return from whence you came? Real organics will live in perpetuity through the cycle of life while you'll be a rusted pile of junk somewhere, too gross, synthetic and alien to be embraced by the planet.

>>715833416 (OP)
Why don't more women dress like this?

>>715863364
It all returns to dust in the end and the planet doesn't care either way. Very odd sticking point.

>>715863364
Real organics turned into fuel that powers humanity's cars. It's not really a place of harmony that you're trying to sell it as. This planet is an eternal battlefield littered with the corpses of its dead, it embraces nothing but war.

>>715863364
Yeah, sure. You're really "living in perpetuity" as the worms eat your eyes. Fucking amazing perspective, my man.

>>715836321
You ascend beyond the material plane. Nasu is an eminationist world like taoism, neoplatonism, and all other sorts of doctrines. Roa and gil go more into detail but it's less reaching the root and more going to the next stage and coming closer to it. That said araya if he touched the root would have destroyed humanity and the world because he probably would have left a lingering misanthropic sorrow due to what he was according to touko

>>715843339
That said the reason they do shit in KnK and tsukihime and fsn is explicitly because the MA doesn't have as much influence and presence in Japan. Japan is a fucking shit hole in universe while they crack down hard anywhere in Europe hard. They don't care but they will police it really fucking hard.

shiki could kill servants

>>715843728
KnK and mahoyo are the only meaningful ones for understanding magecraft. Well that and complete materials 3 info. But it's all about forming your own microcosm and truth (mage path and crest) in your pursuit of eternity/truth the root} you utilize ether as a medium to carry magic energy and information, and use the precedent of human anthropology and faith to create the larp occult logic to reproduce phenomena via ether and energy. I use the idea of Cerberus to turn vapor in the air into a poison by doing a poison breath spell because I'm a Greek mage who uses the foundation of Greek beast magic.
In terms of the greater metaphysical why it's autism and being an individual trying to strive against the consensus of the masses and trying to reach enlightenment through your own personal path and chasing an ideal that's impossible you find beautiful in obsession. The struggles of shirou and zouken are reflections of mages. Although mages spread and dilute that obsession and struggle through generations which means they can lose their way but also not get as fucked as araya or makiri and others. Still you have examples like gransurg who was a shit tier mage until he became a type moon simp and just used that obsession to become a god tier mage and ancestor tier vampire with his own work without any help or even being turned by a ancestor or type moon

>>715845247
Not quite correct. The first and fifth were achieved by reaching it but not going to it. 2-4 are achieved as a means to reach the root. No magician of the five magics has gone to the root

How do you stop this guy from killing your master? Like that's fucking impossible. He could send you a message in advance, detailing when and where he is going to kill your master and there is still nothing you could do about it.

>>715850750
Cu is still retardedly strong and to this day no one else has done as well against gil considering gil pulls out a thousand NPs against him, they fought for 12 hours straight according to Nasu and gil was heavily wounded in their fight by cu.
Gae bolg is a retardedly good np, he's fast enough that emiya can't even see him move in their fight in ubw, and aog magic is a really strong skill.
As much as people meme the curse stab being useless it takes B rank luck and a bullshit Jedi skill for saber to not die to it but still get hit. The visual novel is also explicit that despite it missing the heart it was enough damage that saber is still fucked up from it during her fight against herc the first time, and she was unable to do anything for like a good solid minute after being NP'd. If cu was allowed to actually go for the kill he could have executed saber with her having no ability to resist.

>>715864108
>KnK and mahoyo are the only meaningful ones for understanding magecraft.
ahem

>>715851554
Gae bolg also has a curse of can't be healed and irisviel can't really deal with a NP tier curse. Not that you can destroy curses unless you have meodp in this universe. Karma can't truly be destroyed but meodp can bring out the finality of anything in this material universe.
That said diarmuids spears are really good against saber since the anti magic energy one not only cucks her super armor but also cucks mana burst. In comparison gae bolg is actively bending and getting fucked by mana bursts in their first fight in fsn and it's mentioned that it makes it really hard to block sabers swings for cu

>>715855179
Kairi and zeptar are fun as two shows of two extremes of some of the common ways of using necromancy.
Kairi for necromancy as using body parts and corpses as tools. Zeptar for resident evil bullshit. Meanwhile kayneths dad in law is basically the ultimate original meaning of necromancy man.

Otherwise I enjoy beauty stuff from case files 2 . I'm more drawn to those who are magecraft rather than use magecraft (examples are svin, gray, so on. Even if I don't like svin or gray themselves)

>>715852354
Pretentious nonsense

>>715851993
>manages to beat Assassin
Kek. Assassin was ordered to die though?
>>715852487
Iskandar was never strong. He was all hype. New stuff keeps trying to wank him to be a top tier but his showings are trash.
>>715852707
Waver boosted him with 3 Command Seals at the end. He's only weakened by not having his chariot.
>>715852751
He is overrated.
>only ran over Lancelot who was distracted by Saber
>used IH on Assassin who was ordered to die
>can't even hurt Gilles' monster with IH
>lost his chariot to Saber(Materials revealed he had a chance to win if he wasn't worried about Waver)
>lost to Gil despite being boosted by 3 Command Seals
New Fate stuff reveals that Iskandar's IH soldiers are basically Servants with all their stats with no NP. Some of them are stronger and faster than Iskandar himself. The fact they died so fast in Zero is amusing.

I bet none of you niggers even know what ether fucking is

>>715864778
Cthulhu is just a bad match up. Medusa is stronger than Alex overall but Alex is still a real fucking strong servant. His problem is military tactics and charisma and divinity are useless skills but a+ Zeus lightning mount bulls and IH are really strong to make up for that..he rides at you and most servants die. Lancelot has no way of handling him, nor does diarmuid. You need like a high tier nuke or monster slaying abilities and ways to survive tens of thousands of high level mooks or a way to stall an army out.
The biggest problem fighting Alex is he can use his chariot in IH too

>>715864286
If you are Shirou your plot armor kicks in and this guy misses your heart a couple of millimeters, then he comes back to finish the job out of embarrassement and loses in a straight fight. I just wrote Nasus plot for her.

>>715864286
Anon he's a shittier Hassan whose only good shit is a urobuchi writing tragedy forcing anti plot armor skill.
His knife isn't that good since he has to run up to you and tnr it. If you're using a fucking TNR against a master it should be some sort of easy instant kill like your heart explodes from a distance like cursed arm. He's less skilled at assassination stuff than a Hassan and his time alter thing is he can use it to fight another servant in cqc!..
Except if he's doing that he's being retarded to begin with.
Just get a Hassan because those guys are fucking broken from hundred face to serenity.
I mean cursed arm basically fucked everyone over in heavens feel. If artoria didn't decide that it would be better to get saltered he would have eaten saber and got mana burst and super stats from her too due to self modification

how do heroes get assigned to a class? If I summoned, say, El Cid, would I get rider, saber or lancer? Whatever the Grail thinks is coolest?

>>715865118
What slot is open and how things are.
So a heroic spirit is every fucking idea and legend about a figure. This is way too much to summon so instead you summon it into a class to have a coherent mold and focus. You can't summon Vlad teppes is a stern ruler and also a crazy vampire murderer who genocides in the name of God and also all these fanfiction things written about him over hundreds of years as one person.
Instead you'll have an aspect and a take that fits to the class. You can have multiple aspects in one class that said too.
Knight classes are generally more heroic so that's also an impact as to what sort of type you'll get.
In the end the details depends on the figure and legend. Despite saber being the most heroic class it might end up the most sad and bad time of his life and least heroic version of ajax due to what his sword means. It could be most influenced by Sophocles stuff. Meanwhile shielder or lancer might be the most heroic class that focuses on him being the bulwark of the achaeans.
You could have a Dietrich von bern focused more as a cool knight guy who has dragon traits as saber vs a berserker or rider who focuses on he's the devil's spawn and certain slanderous things and he went to hell to kill monsters stuff.
So on

I'll just spend 14 days raping Sakura and cumming inside Rider

>>715865118
It's random unless you summon a servant that only has 1 class like Artoria

>>715865118
First check: what slots are left. Standard Grail War procedure has 7 slots. If you're summoning someone famed as a bowman and Archer is already summoned, something terrible is about to happen because it won't make a second Archer. Whatever's left has tyranny.
Second check: what is the hero MOST famous for. It's hard to get a swordsman like Siegfried as a Rider, even if Siegfried's steed Grani is famed. He is just too important as the wielder of Balmung, so he will always be first-pick Saber. If the Saber class is available, he gets it.
Third check: if fame is mostly balanced and slots are shared, compatibility with the master is dictated. Are they a firebrand as a Lancer and more strategic and even tempered as a Rider? Then is the Master one who's quick to action or methodical? Get this or that accordingly.

Someone like El Cid is famous as both a Rider (charging into war atop Babieca) and a Saber (wielding the firebrand blade Tizona), but Lancer would be least known because El Cid's spear was not given an enduring name. Accordingly, he'd become the one of those two that fits his Master the best, and only be eligible for Lancer if Saber and Rider are already summoned.

>>715836998
The problem is that Great Holy Grail is already prompted by all the wishes carried by the unnamed man who was the basis of Avenger.

Any wish will be reinterpreted by Avenger/Angra Mainu as death

>>715846180
He's so based.

>>715843156
It's the goal of all Mages to reach the root

the point of the war is to do it in clandestine fashion

>>715853365
>Criminal lack of attention the actual warcrime that Rin only does anal in the dream realm.
Rin never does anal
>But the dream
It was Rider pretending to be Rin and even then there was no anal, just a comment about her anus

>>715840502
In Fate if you actually have to follow rules to a meaningful degree, like you can't even break (1) rule on the face? You just suck.

>>715865118
It depends on what they did in life. If the servant was known for fighting on horseback, then rider. If the hero was known for fighting in melee, then saber. If covert shit then assassin, if ranged, then archer. To qualify for being summoned as a Berserker, the hero, at least once on his life as a mortal must have fallen into a state of rage that clouded all reason, either due to emotional distress or magical means, like a curse placed upon Heracles by Hera that led to him killing his family, doesn't matter. And obviously to be a caster you need a magic affinity. If the servant was a well-rounded individual, capable in multiple disciplines, the class you get will most likely depend on the catalyst you have utilized to summon him. If you used Tizona to summon El Cid, he would 100% be a Saber. The other anons have explained the availability criteria for summoning better than I was going to.

>>715844895

It's pretty good if you like Fate and cool action. The absolutely glacial release pace kinda kills any interest once you catch up.

>>715853758
thought he just nuked the whole town. hence everything in flames

>>715853758
He and his Master are very capable and decent. They probably allied with Shiro and Rin and in the end they let him make the wish.

>>715864873
>bad matchup
The guy is wanked to be Zeus' son and has his lightning and still can't beat it.
Lancelot is Artoria tier. Berserker boosts his stats even further. He only lacks Excalibur.
And yes, Diarmuid is the only one who will lose since his stuff is Single Target.
You forget that Anti-Army NPs exists.
Cu and Medusa would obliterate him. Medusa can just use her eyes and freeze him and his army and win.

>>715845227
Multiverse is the coward's way out. It's such a lazy cope too.

>>715866202
>Rin's most famous scene isn't even her and it's on the route Rinfags hate
This is amusing.

>>715841000
That's one thing I didn't understand when I read FSN back in the day. Archer himself says that Servants are stripped of their free will and their memories when they go back, so does that mean that he forgets everything? He goes becomes bitter and suicidal after he fades at the end of UBW?

>>715834815
anon, the whole point is that the magic death game is a sham
It's all bullshit

Test

>>715864873
All three NPs of Medusa would fuck up Iskandar. Pegasus is anti-army, Blood Fort would drain his army and convert them into mana for Rider, and Cybele would just insta stuns him since he has low mana stat.
She is a terrible match up for him.

>>715837382
The Grail chose Shirou as the winner in Heaven's Feel. Nevermind that the Illya is the Grail, nothing to look here.

>>715833416 (OP)
>belly button visible through her shirt

>>715840276
It started because they needed more servants to complete the ritual. The whole thing with the wish was a lie to attract powerful mages who could summon powerful servants to complete the ritual.

This was all explained by Illya, speedreader-san.

>>715835578
It's a cup filled with a staggering amount of energy that can leverage the Einzbern wishcraft magic, which lets you skip all the steps required to achieve an effect.
In the original application, the intended effect was tearing open a gate to the root, this is possible because the wishcraft lets you do things you don't know how to do.

>>715843156
They chose Japan as the ritual location because the Association had no jurisdiction there. Even during the events of FSN they had but a small presence in the area. When they realized what they were all doing with the Grail they decided to allow it but keep a close eye on it because they are interested in reaching the root as well.

what's the point of even having rules if they are always broken

>>715865118
You can influence who you summon with a catalyst, and then I believe Fate/Zero fully introduced that you could alter the language of the summoning spell to further angle for a specific class. Rin was definitely trying for a Saber in f/sn but I don't remember nasu going into it like zero does. But if some other master already summoned a class and you're trying for it then you're shit out of luck.

>>715838759
>the Root is some ancient magical energy from before 11000BC that allowed Gods to walk among the earth but they disappeared when people stopped believing in them. So the Einzberns waited literal thousands of years to come up with an idea to make this Grail.
The root is the beginning of all things, the origin point of all souls, the origin of all matter, magic and so on. It provably exists, has a will of its own and more than 6 people have reached it before.
Because the universe is deterministic, of you have access to how everything was at the beginning, you can extrapolate anything.

>>715854116
The meals at the Emiya residence were kino. I will someday play the cooking game.

>>715867851
Isn't it technically the last servant-master pair that is considered the winner?
Fate was Shirou, UBW was Rin and HF is Sakura.
Apocrypha is a special case in that Astolfo is the last servant alive but Amakusa got his wish granted.

>>715868524
No, in HF the winner is Shirou. Illya opens the gate and gives Shirou's soul a way to stay on Earth, meaning he's the only living person to witness the root and that specific sorcery.

In Hollow Ataraxia Illya explicitly says she chose Shirou as the winner.

>chosen as a master
>summon a hero
>it's Don Quixote
Fuck.

>>715868659
But Shirou wasn't a Master at that point. He's an outsider. That's dumb.

>>715868731
>Same war
>Get Baron von Munchausen

>>715869063
That's the joke. She made him the winner because they're siblings. Nobody actually won anything anyway so it's a useless title.

>>715837382
>it was all a ritual in which only the three families could win.
Huh? There's no guarantee the three families would win. They are the only people who know the war was a farce, but they didn't have a way to guarantee their own winning over other participants

>>715869181
Bullshittery will actually gain you the powers you claim to have in Fate. See Nero's Imperial Privilege and the entire existence of Cagliostro.

>>715869181
>has better feats than King Arthur
SAVE ME CHURCH AAAA.

>>715854936
I don't think magi care too much if their heirs turned out to be gigantic sluts as long as they produce results.

>>715869190
By that logic, nobody won the HGW in FSN at all.
>>715869310
They know which Classes are good. The 3 Knight Classes. Those 3 have Magic Resistance which counters Casters and the mages themselves.

>>715837382
Yeah, I thought that part is immediately obvious. Everyone cheats and organizers don't give a shit and the rules regarding servants and shit supposedly coming from the "grail" are all nonsense and get broken day 1.
And that's in the routes they sort of follow what the grail war is supposed to be. HF breaks down immediately .

>>715868731
Sancho's (she comes with Don for free) NP is pretty good, just shoot the enemy servant with a gun or something. Setting mysteries to the common sense of 17th century Spain is actually really fantastic to get rid of pesky servants like Hercules or Artoria.
>No matter what mystics the afffected target may possess
>NO
>MATTER
>WHAT
If fucking Gilgamesh in his magnificent retardation lets himself get hit by Sancho's NP, no more Gate of Babylon, no more Ea, all of it goes away because the average 17th century Spaniard wouldn't think it was possible.

>>715869663
They aren't guaranteed to get them. Shirou wasn't from the three family and he still managed to get a Saber, the most haxx class in the canon story.

>>715869181
>>715869392
>>715869394
Man, I remember taking part in those "come up with your own servant" threads on /a/ like 14 fucking years ago, my stupid overpowered Solomon idea basically came true but we still don't have my far better idea which was a pompous loli Baron Munchausen who believes she's an old man, talks like one, and acts like Excalibur from Soul Eater. God fucking damn it.

>>715870045
Shirou got it because the Einzberns got Berserker and the Matous got Rider. Sakura also didn't use a catalyst to get Medusa too. Shirou's also the last one to summon his servant.

>>715870052
Fan servants are fun.
My personal favorite is pseudo-servant Simo Hayha/Tuoni (finnish death god) with a skill for the Sakkijarven Polka (a song that just so happened to be the right frequency to jam soviet explosives, in a country where a significant aspect of their mythology is that magic was done through music)

>>715855693
Source? I don't remember this.

>>715870385
>Simo Hayha
Yeah, I remember that one being suggested in those thread too. It's funny yet disappointing that so many years later there's now probably hundreds of servants yet so many suggestions people came up with haven't happened.

>>715870810
Yea, its funny how most Simo Hayha concepts forget that he's kind of too modern. Like, I get that he killed a LOT of people, possibly he personally killed, (not counting nukes or commanding other people, actually pulled the trigger) more people than anyone in recorded history - I think he has living grandkids which makes it kind of awkward? Well, easy enough to fix, just make him a pseudo. Worked for Waver, Reines, Jinako, etc.

I honestly think he would qualify as a servant even despite the whole "too modern" thing because of how legendary he became and the sheer quantity of people he shot.

Extra/Record when

>>715870290
Exactly. If they could choose their own servant Artorias wouldn't get to Shirou to summon her like that.

>>715855179
I'm gonna be extremely boring and say Shirou/Archer. I've always been a fan of "sword summoning" type magic. Of course, this extends to Gilgamesh but Gate of Babylon doesn't count as magecraft so he technically doesn't qualify even if traditionally speaking it very clearly is magic.
I also like Kiritsugu's magic. What he does is basically just the common "haste" spell in RPGs but speeding yourself up is always cool to me.
That said, I'm not a nasuverse scholar. I only watched Kara no Kyouka besides the various Fate/ related anime. I didn't really like Kara no Kyoukai tho. And no, I did not ready any VNs, yes, I'm a pleb. I just really don't enjoy VNs despite my attempts at giving them a go multiple times.

>>715833416 (OP)
I prefer the animes.

>>715839557
More or less, and that's exactly what Happens in the NON-CANON Mobage FGO backstory.

Marisbury and his Caster kill the other Servants.
Marisbury goes "Give me MONEY lol" instead of killing Cater and finishing the ritual and Caster goes "Make me Human".
Marisbury then uses the money to make a miniature replica of the world that uses a combination of MAGECRAFT and SCIENCE to show the future to get UN Sanctioned as Humanity Protecting NGO, And then uses Substitution+Projection Magic to swap the skin of the planet with the skin of the model in what is basically a big technologically assisted application of super basic Magecraft and also basically has the means massproduce new Grails, and even has them plop in by fucking accident and is overall just a fucking mess.

>>715868731
Don Quixote's story in FGO is fucking incredible. Also he's kinda lowkey OP lorewise.

>>715860003
>Yes I'm also the kind of loser to have Sasori as my favorite Akatsuki.
Nothing lame having one singular thing you really like. And as far as the lesser Akatsuki go, he's definitely up there, although I personally prefer Deidara's explosive clay. That said I love the puppeteering in Naruto and I wish we had gotten one more of them after Sasori to let the technique keep up with the powercreep since it became irrelevant but it was very cool when Naruto was more grounded and less DBZ.

>>715870797
Wasn't it in HF? Kiri was going overseas tofind Illya but he couldn't because the Einzberns' magic field prevents him from finding them after his betrayal.
>>715871656
The Einzberns chose Saber in the 4th war. And they picked Berserker in the 5th because they can withstand the mana drain and want a mindless servant who wouldn't betray them.
The 3rd War has them take the Berserker slot before turning it into Avenger/Ruler.

>>715836106
Why do KnK novel readers say that it's just insane rambling? The movies are kino

>>715840616
Retard

>>715851554
>Not sure how it would go against Iskandar or Lancelot
He jumps over the army and gae bolgs Iskandar.
He gae bolgs Lancelot's jet.

>>715846251
Stay Night? Gil, Berserker and Caster, and Gil wins due Conceptual Advantage. Caster is EXTREMELY underrated by the fandom who downplay the fact she can game the whole system even without RULE BREAKER, there is a reason she gets taken out early in Heaven's Feel along with Gil.

Overall: Gil has been power crept by Mobage, From the top of my head the current Contenders are probably: LB ORT (Hacked the throne to become one), BB (Due being a Joke Character AND a creator Voice Box who gets to show up in serious stuff to make denouements and shit) and Archetype:Earth (Due Arc/Tsuki Wanking).

And yes, those are all Original Characters, do not steal.

>>715872776
People really underestimate Cu just because he's Kenny joke.
He can't beat Herc and Gil but he 100% kills the rest of the 5th war if not for plot armor.

>>715872140
FGO's story is kinda nuts, hopefully it shuts down and makes a new Fate gacha so I don't feel like joining a sinking ship

>>715872931
>ORT
Why is this a debate? He's obvious above Gil even before FGO.
>BB
She has the Moon Cell by her side which makes her OP. Play CCC. He even beats her there. BB is also holding back when she came to FGO, I guess.
>Archetype Earth
Only at full power which she isn't. Gil kills her at 30%.
Even then, Gil has still been wanked to be OP.

>>715872969
>wanting more gachashit
No, what they need to do is create a non-gacha game series to retell FGO's story.

>>715873118
>Why is this a debate? He's obvious above Gil even before FGO
Yep, It is more that FGO went "Yeah ORT CAN be a servant if it wants to BTW." when the idea of ORT deciding to become a Servant didn't really cross people mind before because why the fuck would it need to? So it was not even considered for "Strongest Servant".

Good point on the others too.

>>715873305
I don't want gatcha, I just don't think they would do anything other than a gatcha after the success of FGO

>>715872724
I watched all the movies and I have zero idea what happens in it.

>>715873434
They made the two Extella games and Samurai Remnant since FGO. They aren't averse to making normal games. They just need to commit to making a game or two to retell FGO. It made sense why they didn't want to beforehand since that would potentially stop some people from picking up FGO but FGO is a sinking ship now.

>>715869663
No. The War had no winner, Illya declared Shirou the winner.

>>715872724
>the one movie that is just 30 minutes of Void Shiki explaining shit
>literally had to watch it twice just to understand maybe a third of what the fuck she was talking about

>>715833416 (OP)
People still have sex in war time. If you’ve got time to eat, sleep and chill for a bit, why not spend some of it having a shag.

>>715833416 (OP)
God shes so peak... how does she do it?

>>715873315
ORT only did it after the Protag massed summoned Servants to beat him up. ORT absorbed so many of them that he understood the Servant system. That is one of his abilities even before FGO.

>>715873707
The OG Extella was a fucking downgrade. Having Sakurai write it ruined it. The Nerowank was ridiculous and they made Nameless and Gil side characters.
Extella Link was decent but it was short and the extra DLC was cancelled.
>Samurai Remnant
Hahahahahaha
>>715873770
And Illya isn't the one who decides who the winner is.

>>715873434
It isn't like they haven't been trying to expand, Extella, Extella Link, Samurai Remnant, Extra Record NEVER EVER.

The issue is things haven't kicked off that well, in part because the Extella Games honestly weren't very good and that definitely made SR a question of if one even wants to bother. ER has one advantage in going back into being a JRPG which is honestly what seems to work best for the IP, in practice instead of an action game (/mushou) because of the good old stat pages from bios in SN. Fate has always been very "RPG-Coded".

Not that i expect ER do do very good if im being honestly, i feel like it is me and like 3 other anons looking forward to it.

>>715874342
Illya is the Grail.

>>715874342
>The OG Extella was a fucking downgrade. Having Sakurai write it ruined it. The Nerowank was ridiculous and they made Nameless and Gil side characters.
>Extella Link was decent but it was short and the extra DLC was cancelled.
I'm a musoufag so I enjoyed it. It also gave us Wada Altera which is a massive upgrade on original Altera.

I want Extella 3. And I want to play Sigurd and Vlov in it.

>>715874447
dude nobody gives a flying fuck about extra, this has been proven for literal decades but Nasu just refuses to give up because he'd like to write scifi but is too much of a hack to start a new IP

>>715833416 (OP)
>>715834524
>an IP has been fucked and trashed and smoked and consumed down to its bone marrow and now the only fun left is to piss all over it in typical midwit tongue in cheek enlightened irony
Many such cases, pathetic but many such cases.

Alcides activates my Shadow the Hedgehog chuuni

>>715874938
B-buht muh rock paper scissors pattern autism... Muh Casko... Yeah, i know Extra Record is seemingly switching to Slay The Spire Deckbuidling.

>>715874447
FSR did well, so did the VN re-releases in the West.

haha you just imagined your self marrying Kuro

>>715872931
In the overall part you are missing Servantverse servants, which are basically all massively more powerful than normal servants. Spishtar and Space Ereshkigal are so OP that at full power they could probably just fuck up ORT by going to the actual Oort cloud and nuking it into dust.

>>715874663
Illya doesn't write the history books.
>>715874710
Extella's gameplay isn't great for me. Link's however is fun. It's just that Link's too short and it got abandoned.
>>715874938
>nobody gives a flying fuck about Extra
Japan does.

>>715876451
the eternal curse of the Extraverse
>Extra
>shit gameplay, interesting story
>CCC
>shit gameplay, gaijin go home
>Extella
>shit gameplay, interesting story
>Link
>by fucking god they finally did it, good gameplay
>extremely short not very interesting story

>>715876451
>Extella's gameplay isn't great for me. Link's however is fun.
I mean, Link was definitely a big improvement over Umbral Star in terms of the musou gameplay but at their core they are still the same thing.
>It's just that Link's too short and it got abandoned.
Was it? I felt like it was kinda the same length, as far as gameplay went anyways. The story might have been shorter but Umbral Star felt a bit bloated with a lot of long encounters.

Why does this turn me on so much? Am I a pedophile? Why are they appealing to such audiences? Are all men pedophiles?

>>715876874
No you're just a porn addict.

>>715876874
You are a man of culture. Thigh-highs are the sexiest thing to exist

>>715876874
You are just a retard.

>>715876774
CCC is already translated. The story is good.
>Extella
>interesting story
What?
>Demoting Nameless and Gil to side characters
>making Altera one of the mains despite Japan not liking brown woman
>wanking Nero to god level status and a dindu and turning Tamamo into a psycho
Altera has barely any fans and Nero is despised until her Beast form came into FGO. Luckily for her, Sakurai didn't write her Beast form like her regular forms which she did in Extella and FGO.
>>715876820
Link has no side stories if I remember correctly. No different servant endings like in Extella, and the barracks still has empty slots which was meant for DLC characters like Altera Larvae.

>>715833416 (OP)
Weak to anal

>>715877456

I miss pre-FGO fate so much bros

>>715877543
Absolutely defenseless.

>>715845712
Fuck the corpses to transfer your mana to the death, and form an army anon, i believe in you

>>715865118
>Fate/Zero
Shitber got summoned by the Caliburn sheath being kept by the Einsbern family
Girugamesh got summoned from an old snek skin from Babylon who bit him
Potato got summoned by his little sword from a family heirloom of his eventual master, I think he was being summoned as a Saber which he qualifies for
Lancelot was summoned as a result of Kariya simping too hard for used goods, vomiting too much blood and proactively adding words to the summoning chant while having a piece of the Round Table as a catalyst, how Zouken owned one nobody knows
Waver's catalyst to summon Alexander the Great was a broken piece of his chariot given to him by the Mage school in Bongland
Ryu owned the Necronomicon and sacrificed an entire family to summon Giles
Hassan (x100) was summoned by Kirei and just used a standard chant, you will almost always get Hassan without a catalyst

>Stay Night
Shirou summoned Shitber because the Caliburn sheath was placed inside him by his fake father
Rin used one of her precious family jewels that summoned adult based Shirou, the same one he owned
Gay Bulge was summoned by a potato woman using a catalyst meant for him, but she was murdered and Kirei took control
Medusa was summoned by wormslut who had a broken mirror once owned by the former
Caster was summoned by a pervert using a wood piece of Jason's based ship, since he was a pervert Caster killed him but not before using 2 of his command spells to make her kill herself. She was saved by the deadpan teacher who treated her with kindness and wifed her up. She later summoned Kojiro on her own as a guard dog
Hassan was summoned by Zouken only in HF

>>715877342
>CCC is already translated. The story is good.
How is the gameplay? Is it more of the same from Extra? Still worth playing?

>>715879965
it's extra gameplay

>>715879965
Kinda like Extra, sadly.
If you just care about the story, just hack and make yourself lvl99 or something.
Gil can also just insta skill things with his NP.

>>715879594
>Waver's catalyst to summon Alexander the Great was a broken piece of his chariot given to him by the Mage school in Bongland
Given? He stole it from Fastwheels.

>>715867675
servants are effectively clones, ctrl+c/ctrl+v from the throne
they will not have a continuous memory of the last time they were summoned, unless it is significant to their next summoning or something goes wrong and it became a part of who they are

>>715833834
You jest, but Fate/ stay night was suppose to be a Otome game, Nasu writting is certainly female coded and she already admitted in an interview that she lives with Takeuchi.

>>715865118
The master tries to assign the class in the summoning ritual.

>>715876874
Pedophile? That’s just an attractive girls legs

>>715854026
So fucking sexy

>>715867426
he didnt get to make the game he wanted so I approve of it.

>>715880586
>she
Who

>>715879085
Agreed. It was really fun. Now Fate in general is just a mess.

>>715879965
Extra but easier.
first dungeon isn't a OTK nightmare, servants have more combat animations and the stages aren't an empty void anymore
the music is good but I miss the old style

>>715880932
Nasu. She is married with Takeuchi.

>Famitsu: And when did the actual development start?

>Nasu: After we released Mahou Tsukai no Yoru in 2012, I started living with Takeuchi. The first thing we did was to replay Tsukihime taking notes on our points of interest, then take our notes with us to our new house to compare them and exchange insults (laughs).

>>715880586
The moment I looked up how Mordred was conceived I was convinced without a shadow of a doubt that this story was written by a (horny) woman.

>>715881187
Nasu is a man?

>>715881075
>Extra
>first dungeon
>OTK nightmare
Did you pick Caster for your first playthrough?

>>715876874
Are we really at a stage where something as basic as fucking JK zettai ryouki is being questioned? What the fuck is going on?

>>715876912
>>715877001
>>715877275
>>715880715
>>715881436
Fetishising school skirts feels wrong to me. I don't know why it's become so widespread and accepted nowadays. But, they're so damn sexy. What kind of evil is this?

>>715881565
That’s not a school skirt retard

>>715881435
Nope it was with Archer. But early game in Extra is pure rng bullshit no matter the character.
thank fuck for the reduced damage and mid dungeon saves in CCC.
Also removing manual stat allocation was unironically a good choice because they don't actually work the way you would expect.

>>715881565
Just stop posting, if you're so fucking afraid of this shit you shouldn't even be posting on the internet. They'll find out you posted this shit anyway, after all.

>>715881565
The only reason you keep going on about this is because you want someone to tell you being a pedophile is good. It's not, and everyone IRL already knows you are one.

>>715881565
You do understand that feds log everything about you on this site. After 4chan was taken down we learned jannies keep literal notes about certain IPs. If you ever have trouble with the law be ready to defend yourself against your own pedofilic statements.

>>715881565
...

>>715877456
That was only her sister pretending to be her in Heaven's Feel.

>>715880370
I forgot Kenneth was his teacher, my bad.

imagine unironically thinking finding Rin sexy makes you a pedo. ironic weebs need to die.

>>715881565
Outside. Go now

>>715833416 (OP)
mana transfer threesome with rin and artoria

>>715873503
???
Split personality girl thinks she is a murderer because her male personality is always at a crime scene and struggles with murderous impulses, meets sweet guy who believes in her, discovers love and that she isn't really a murderer, all while solving murder cases for a mage who saved her

The plot is just a straightforward romance and murder mystery, but theres a lot going on thematically on a per-chapter micro level and macro level.

>>715873792
At least it was lore related, Mahou Tsukai no Yoru has a one hour side story dedicated to explaining and philosophizing about the extinction and of passenger pigeons.

>>715883129
This. It's always baffled me how people can't understand KnK when it's actually an extremely simple story that just happens to be presented in a somewhat convoluted way. /a/ has had this problem for years and constantly derides it as pretentious when all it's doing is presenting a very basic narrative in an interesting way.

>>715872542
Nobody not retarded would pick Berserker and Rider over Saber. Raw stat is literally brain-damaged pick in a setting where you have world ending abilities.

>>715882638
Wonder how that works between women. There has to be a spell for it.

>this segment brought to you by Tohsaka's defenseless anus and having to fuck for mana

>>715883824
Einzbern picked Berserker for the 5th war so they wouldn't get betrayed.
Kariya picked Lancelot Berserker because Zouken made him do it. It's also a death sentence with the mana drain.
Riders can be good. They have weaker Mana Resistance but have more than 1 NP most of the time.

>>715884323
"women" are retarded

>>715884140
Mordred was canonically born because Merlin used a spell to give Saber a dick

>>715884538
That's hot

>>715833416 (OP)
Never forget
https://files.catbox.moe/a2huf3.jpg

>>715884538
And she fucked Morgan with her magic futacock btw.

i love tsundere bitches with twintails so much bros

You anons have got me thinking how much of a pain it would be to be museum security leading up to a Grail war.

>>715884808
Nah, Morgan rode Artoria, her sister
bitch is fucking crazy

>>715884418
>They have weaker Mana Resistance but have more than 1 NP most of the time.
Moreover occasionally more hax shit. Like Cybele.

>>715884929
Most Grail Wars are spontanious things, so there's no point to worry about shit 24/7.

>>715884808
>>715884949
Specifically it states that Morgan was able to bewitch Saber and then extracted her sperm. So she somehow succeeded where Medea failed and actually bruteforced or bypassed Artoria's Rank A MR and hypnotized her for sex.

>>715884929
Dude, one of the entrances to the Clock Tower is in the British Museum. There's absolutely no way anything on display would be actually useful for a mage, whereas everything in storage is almost certainly already under their control anyway.

>>715884323
>Tohsaka's defenseless anus and having to fuck for mana
To be fair, all of this was retconned out of the franchise.

>>715833416 (OP)
>and later how about you replenish my mana by pumping me full of semen (Canon)
that's not what it happened though

>>715885564
>retconned
Only if you're a coward

>>715885651
That's absolutely how it happened

>>715885564
You can retcon semen carrying mana but you can't change magic potentiality transferring on a genetic level. Which I don't think Fate portrays morally, it's just how things are. I could see linking that to differences in the sexes but it feels like it's reaching to me. Anyway, do you see feminist critique in Nasu's early writing?

I've only watched UBW. I liked it. The last episode of Shirou and Rin being a couple in London was very cute.

>>715885651
>>715885953
It was to establish a connection so that Rin could supply Shirou with mana to use UBW, not the other way around. Also it was a different route.

>>715886173
Nah Captain Jackhammer was born that day

>>715885353
The A rank MR is a servant thing, the vessel from the knight classes is made to be impervious to magic. Artoria had some magic resistance because if her dragon core but she wasn't immune to all magic like she is as a servant.

>>715882743
>I don't have much time so I'll explain this quickly
>*speaks nonstop for 45+ minutes*
Kirei is weird like that.

>>715886024
Filthy secondary.

>>715887467
Except that servants are just direct copies from the originals in the ToH, except also Saber isn't even copied, she's just taken directly from her dying spot at Camlann. The stuff they have as servants are based on what they actually could do in their original lives, if anything it's that the knight classes are capable of being summoned into the class because they fill the criteria, not that the criteria is applied after the fact. That's why you can't give a Berserker ME if they didn't go nuts at some point in their life.

>>715885353
>>715884949
>>715884808
>>715884538
>>715884140
Instead of simply adopting someone they went and made all this bullshit about magic futacocks and incest. Amazing.

>>715887856
Welcome to nasuverse

>>715884418
Plenty of lawful servants to choose from that wouldn't betray their master in their natural class. Picking berserker for that reason is beyond stupid.

>>715887856
Mordred being the incest bastard son of Arthur and Mogan is one of the scenerios from the old Arthurian legends, they just had to rework it so it'd work with two girls, ergo futasex.

>>715834524
I'll never understand why people complain about the rules in Fate being fluid and then in the same breath swallow down absolute bullshit from other visual novels like Steins;Gate's muh attractor fields forcing random events that can't be changed by time travel

>>715888028
Doesn't matter. The Einzberns lost fucking Avalon because of Kiritsugu. I'd be pissed too.

>>715834092
Keeping a master alive lets them rejoin the war if they can acquire a command spell. You should just kill the master and form a bond with their servant to minimize risk

>>715885564
OG Uncensored FSN
>has sex
>Sakura having dickworms
>defenseless anus
>HF is the true end
Censored FSN
>no sex
>no defenselsss anus
>no dickworms
>Saber is the true end
Pick your poison.

>>715834092
>>715888176
anybody with a command seal can join the war, which is how caster made herself a master despite being a servant.

>>715888294
>HF is the true end
Was never the case

>>715888294
>no sex
Specifically replaced with:
>Mana dragon
>Mana dolphins
>Mana vampirism

>>715887838
It varies from servant to servant but the vessel itself can either buff or nerf skills they already had in life. Artoria already had good magic resistance from her life but the Saber class makes it go beyond anything a human could have. Just look at Archer, he was simply a mediocre mage in life but he still gets an MR rank that makes most mages struggle against him.

>>715888116
People give steins;gate a pass because it's time travel even though I personally think it deserves a lot more flak for its story failures, and not just the time travel mechanisms.

Fate is in a large part about mystery and mysticism, not just power levels, and I think it's hard for a lot of people to get that.

>>715886024
A sequel about their work in the Clock Tower would be so nice to have.

>>715888409
Mana dragon is based

>>715888294
If you can find me an up to date Uncensored version I'd kiss you. Everytime I look it's always Realty Nua or whatever patched.

Rin got BONGed

>>715888540
Deep in her womb

You know it's odd FGO never used possible kids from Shirou and his harem.

>>715888418
>Artoria already had good magic resistance from her life but the Saber class makes it go beyond anything a human could have
Is this actually stated anywhere? Because I don't see why this would apply specifically in Sabers case because she isn't even actually a spirit, she's just being beamed in from Camlann.
>Just look at Archer, he was simply a mediocre mage in life but he still gets an MR rank that makes most mages struggle against him.
Archer is like the polar opposite of Artoria in this instance, he got buffed first by Alaya to become part of the counter-force even before any buffs applied by being summoned to a servant class. And that's discounting anything he did in life prior to that affected his body from the NPs he was tracing with UBW, or the fact that he had Avalon (albeit inert) inside him for the rest of his life.

>>715888515
Because everyone just patches the censored content back into the Realta Nua version.

>>715888708
I love her

>>715888540
Worse, she is, may Allah forgive me for saying this, a Welshman.

>>715888804
Built for Angry Manjew Cock.

>>715888697
Didn't fujos send death threats for implying proto Saber knew who Manaka was? Wouldn't something similar happen if they straight up said Shirou impregnated some of the girls?

>>715888732
Just look at the class skill list, several servants with multiple versions mention why some skills are ranked up or down depending on the class and it is stated that the knight classes will always come with at the very least a token MR, just like riders will always get a few ranks in riding even if they technically don't have animals or vehicles they can run with.

>>715888926
love him too
love them together

>>715888354
>last route
Cope.

>>715848717
There was also this interview where Nasu and Takeuchi talked about how they can't write a Saber story without Shirou in it.

If you think that Shirou can't live up to his ideals, then you need HF. Otherwise UBW is a satisfying conclusion.

>>715889823
Specifically the Mind of Steel ending

>>715889823
UBW makes Archer look like a toddler throwing a tantrum.
And satisfying conclusion? Lmao

>>715833416 (OP)
Just put the name of whatever retarded tranime fandom thing this is in the OP so I can filter it

>>715889823
Maybe for Shirou.
I don't get how fucking HF conclusion is remotely a good conclusion for any other human.
It's basically went to the opposite side of Shirou initial problem. I wouldn't mind it as much if it weren't for that retarded interview about realism.

>>715890154
FSN is Shirou's story. Why would any other human be important? Do you care about other people so much? Will you sacrifice your family to save randoms?
Being a retard and dying in the desert is better than living peacefully with the person you love?

>>715890391
>Why would any other human be important? Do you care about other people so much?
There is a balance of both.
That is why I said HF Shirou conclusion is the opposite side of the spectrum which is just as terrible.
It works out for Shirou because he is a machine, but I don't get how any wankers think it's a realistic message until their families get sacrificed by a retard with this ideal.

>>715889987
Archer is a toddler throwing a tantrum

>>715889137
>Wouldn't something similar happen if they straight up said Shirou impregnated some of the girls?
Lol, why? FSN was an eroge, the franchise started with scenes of Shirou fucking the heroines, that ship had sailed on launch day Or like a decade before lauch day, in the case of FGO.

Give Luvia her own route

>>715890629
HF is realistic because nobody in this world would sacrifice someone they love or are family for random people you don't care about.
Ask yourself. Would you?

>>715890703
Nah, just give her a sex scene with Rin so they can clear up that tension.

>>715888039
The whole thing with Arthur in Nasuverse is that the myth around him was inaccurate, full of half-truths and lies. They could've easily explained it as the kid being adopted or completely unrelated to Arthur, the magic futacock sex wasn't necessary.

>>715890886
Ask yourself if you want your families to get sacrificed because someone's wife has terminal cancer?
You retards think you will be the one who do the killing, but you gonna get sacrificed instead kek.

>>715888294
>HF is the true end
It has been years and wormfags are still at it, disgusting

>>715890947
The magic futacock impregnation was the path of least resistance.

Visual novels suck. You all act as if they are good but your praise shows you don't read books.

Take books with illustrated images if you are unable to read without cartoons.

>>715891262
I read spice and wolf though.

>>715891262
ok, nerd

>>715891262
Bookfag is here

>>715890947
Between the old Welsh historical accounts and tales, the latin compendium by Monmouth, the French fanfiction and the English fanfiction of the fanfiction, there's a fuckload of variation in the Arthurian legends without making up even more shit on top if it. Like >>715891110 said, path of least resistance.

>>715891262
I've read far more books than I have visual novels. There was nothing else to do in school.

>>715891262
booklets coping cuz their authors were too poor for some nice images

>>715891262
oh it's one of these faggots

books aren't inherently better or worse than vns, they're a different medium that's been around for thousands of years for you to cherry pick legendary works from. vns have been around for like half a century tops.

and for the record most books are actual slop, if you go into barnes and noble and pick a random book chances are high it's either female-targeting smut that's even more degenerate than your average vn is or it's just some absolute nonsense with no point and terrible pacing.

>>715890995
Wormfags actually read the source material and not rely on the anime, secondary.

>>715891262
>>715891528
Honestly one of the things people tend not to talk about for some reason in the audio aspect in VNs. Music and SFX adds a lot to the experirence.

>>715890970
What are you even talking about?

>>715891643
>retarded wormfag doesn't even think about the victim perspective of their message
Not surprised there.

>>715833416 (OP)
I'm still mad that thae star asriaol colbab didnt adadd rin. but ar her only

>>715891579
The worst are the self help “business leadership” books

>>715891584
Wormfags are shitters that watched the HF movies then went on 4chan to save vn screenshots out of context

>>715891584
Then you would know that if the VN had a “canon ending” (which it doesn't) it would be Archer and Saber talking on the throne of heroes, which means Fate is the canon ending, retarded wormfag.

>>715891761
FSN's story is about Shirou, not me. Retard.

>>715892197
I was talking about that interview where Nasu tried to pain this message to the audience, you illiterate worm nigger.
I have mentioned several times that I was talking about the message applying to the readers, not Shirou.

>>715892038
>>715892086
LMAO
Rinfag still seething huh?
Your waifu is just an infodumper for every single route, was basically a side character to Archer in her own route and is prostituted the most to every other Fate work.

>>715891812
ANON???