If your answer was NO, then the people have spoken, and you've been proven wrong.

>>715834003
Thank you, Discord Boy.

No, it'd be like virgins watching porn

If you can hate a game you've never played then you can love a game you've never played.

>>715833963 (OP)
I'm a huge fan of blue archive and I have never played the game.

>>715833963 (OP)
No

>>715834586

Are you saying you can't be a fan of sex if you're a virgin?
But /v/ porn addicts are HUGE fans of sex literally talking about sex and women 24/7 despite never having been with one.

He's right, you're wrong.

>>715833963 (OP)
Whenever a YouTuber makes some shitty 12 hour long retrospective where it's just a let's play disguised as a video essay you always get people on /v/ that never played the game but they spout word for word whatever the YouTuber said

>>715833963 (OP)
>>715834003
Twittertards are unreal and not human. I know more than half of you retards use twitter too.
>>715834864
Grim

name one (1) video game

>>715833963 (OP)
>>715835123
Earthbound

>>715833963 (OP)
can you be a fan of a book if you never read it

>>715835123

All FNAF games.

>>715833963 (OP)
Yes, of course, as evidenced by the amount of people who are haters of games they never played, most notably Zelda ToTK and DK Bananza. If you can be a hater without playing a game, you sure can be a fan as well.

>>715834864
zoomers are too adhd to even play or anything but they still want to be fans

>>715833963 (OP)
>Can you be a fan of a game if you've never played it?
You can be a fan of the story, characters, music, visuals, etc since obviously that's no different from a movie. You can't be a fan of the gameplay or balance at all, nor can you speak on them with any level of truth.

>>715834942
I get a ton of traction out of this image. Its shut down so many arguments it's not even funny, it's just sad.

>>715835348
Kek, saving

>>715833963 (OP)
Yeah sure. Pic related.

>>715835278
Sure, just listen to the audio book.

What i don't get is, how lonely does someone have to be to WANT to be a fan?
Why being part of a community is more important than enjoying the game that community is about?

Do people just have nobody to talk with?

>>715835595
>Do people just have nobody to talk with?
People will all give you their own conspiracy theory as to why, but yes.

>>715834003
the smash joker render really completes this

>>715835595
We used to call these guys posers but bullying isn’t cool anymore

>>715834662
Uohhhhhhhhh!

>>715836427
I like the large breasted women that wear maid uniforms.

>>715833963 (OP)
Honestly you can I'd hate to admit but those people aren't usually engaging with the games and more of the fandom. Devil may cry has tons of people loving Dante and Vergil memes after playing the games once or watching it online.

>>715833963 (OP)
my little sister is big BG3 fan like she knows everything about that game and she haven't even played it

>>715833963 (OP)
I cannot be a fan.
I'm not that retarded.

They're called poseurs.

>>715833963 (OP)
Watch it your gonna get the midwit posts like
>S-stop it were pushing 30 were like you FR so stop noticing :skull:

There are some games where I love the world/story/characters but hate the gameplay
>Deus Ex
>kotor 1/2
>fallout new Vegas
>a plague tale innocence and requiem
>halo wars

>>715833963 (OP)
No that's what we call a fake fan

>>715833963 (OP)
Story based games with mid gameplay are best enjoyed as a YouTuber series

>>715837487
I'm the same way with basically all Resident Evil games. I managed to make it through 4, but from 1-Village I've never found one I actually liked playing and never get very far into them. Love the stories though. Might have something to do with the fact I played them with my cousin who was way better at them, so I spent most of the time watching, I wonder if he feels the same about Metal Gear Solid games? Kind of the inverse situation

>>715837487
Ok but to know you hate the gameplay you need to play it first.
Also you need to level up your autism, gameplay in those games isn't THAT bad.

yes. i really like dwarf fortress. i am completely retarded when it comes to playing it, but i'm fascinated watching someone who knows what they're doing make sense out of the total fucking mess on the screen. i'm fascinated by the stories people have about it.
idk if that makes me a fan but i really like it.
same deal with kenshi. or the sims (not that the game is super hard, but i'd rather watch someone play it than go through the whole setting up characters and setting up house and installing mods bullshit).

>>715837574

Being streamed by your favorite youtuber with whom you have a parasocial relatonship with?

What if we just had another world war and sent off all the zoomers to die? I feel like vidya would improve substantially.

>>715837903
>but i'm fascinated watching someone who knows what they're doing

So you're not a fan of the game you're a fan of watching others play.

>>715838005
Get rid of the actual brainwashed rotted zoomers
Not all of them are bad

T. Millennial who has a few gen z friends

>>715837487
Yes, I understand but here’s the problem. No amount of lore vids can cover everything. You have to fully play the game to understand it. This is the problem I have with younguns like you when talking about Fallout. A good chunk of fans don’t even know what they’re talking about because they never played the game. It heavily lowers discussion quality because these type of guys flood the fandom

>>715837976
>streamed
lol no, I have standards
>your favorite youtuber
Don't have one who does LPs anymore. It's been downhill since SBFP stopped
>parasocial relatonship
You can watch YouTube videos without being mentally ill

>>715833963 (OP)
I never got to play even a fraction of the games I was excited for as a kid, so I've just gotten used to enjoying the hypothetical vibes of a game and its story versus actually playing it half the time. A lot of games are also interesting to me but trigger my phobias, so while playing through them would be overwhelming, enjoying them is still possible.
Playing through Bioshock Infinite years ago, I had the sense that I was "stuck" in Columbia until I beat the game. Which sucked because that's a pretty terrifying place to be, even if just psychologically. Meanwhile, Cyberpunk shit is the stuff my nightmares are made up, but watching a playthrough of Phantom Liberty didn't cause nearly the same issues. I consider myself a fan of both, though one to a lesser degree than the other.

>>715838295
You are such a massive fucking faggot holy shit end your life.

>>715838295

>>715838157
What about this queer who's afraid of Bioshock? >>715838295

I wish I found this post when it was posted so I could make first post “touhou thread?” it would’ve been so funny

>>715838778

hahaha oh you're funny anon!

>>715838778
fpbp

>>715835316
Thread should have ended right here.

>>715838527
That's what I'm talking about
Get rid of these kinds of zoomers holy fuck

Back in the day we called these type of people posers. You can still be a fan of a story or character design, but you don't know if you like the game itself of you haven't played it first hand.
>>715838295
Go back to lereddit.

i stream a bunch of kusoge that's like borderline unplayable, then i randomly see people i know watch me arguing the games are good online, even though they're fucking dogshit lmao
i think it's actually easier to like awful games if you aren't playing them yourself

>>715839163
It's easier to like garbage if that's all you know.

>>715833963 (OP)
>New Vegas fans regarding the original Fallouts

>>715839365
All the FNV fans I’ve talked with on /v/ are always pretty knowledgeable on the classic games though. I actually never had a good conversation with a Bethesdaposter before when it comes to classic Fallout

>>715838295
Be honest with me. How many doses of HRT are you on right now?

>>715839497
bro did a janny really ban this guy
they're out of control

>>715839497
>FNV fans I’ve talked with on /v/ are always pretty knowledgeable on the classic games though
They lean about them from wiki articles and youtube lore videos

>>715839742
You can delete your own posts so IDK.

>>715839882
yea, but i see tons of innocuous vidya related posts getting deleted right now so either jannies are going insane or somebody's trying to psyop me by intentionally deleting their own posts knowing i've seen them

Can you be a fan of a film or a TV series if you've never seen it?
Can you be a fan of a sports team despite not seeing any of their games?
Can you be a fan of a band or singer without listening to any of their songs?
Can you be a fan of a certain brand without consuming said brand?
Can you be a fan of a hobby you never partake in?

>>715835595
>liking something means you have to join a community and talk to other people about that thing
Do zoomers really?

Can you be a fan of sex if you've never had it?

>>715840070
>Can you be a fan of a sports team despite not seeing any of their games?
>Can you be a fan of a hobby you never partake in?
now hold on, the actual one would be sports you've never played and lots of morbidly obese amerilards love football despite barely being able to walk let alone run or catch a ball

>>715833963 (OP)
It's the equivalent of wearing a band's T-shirt and merchandise without even listening to any of their songs or barely even knowing what they're about.

I'm a fan of Isabelle and I only played animal crossing for gamecube in an emulator for 30 minutes.

>>715840173
Most of those guys actually do play the sport when they were younger if you ever talk to one in a pub. The ones that just wear the jersey just cause is rare or are usually women.

>>715833963 (OP)
That's nearly everyone on /v/. Notice how they never post their own webms.

>>715840151
They like the idea of sex without realizing that you need to at least be fit enough to fully enjoy it.

People are considered sports fans but don't actually play the sport itself. They just watch other people playing it on television. How is this any different? Yeah, you may not understand a lot of aspects of a game like how it controls, how responsive combat is, or other, more interactive details. But you can fully understand and appreciate visuals, story, music, and arguably what the gameplay is going for.

You can absolutely make an argument that someone has less of a right to say whether a game is good or bad unless they've actually played it themselves, but they can still be a fan of it.

>>715840294
Here

>>715840173
"Partaking" in terms of being a fan is watching a game. In your case it would be like someone claiming to love playing sports despite never playing them.

what does cap even mean

>>715840350
Do you equate "fan" to liking something?

Calling yourself a fan of a game because you watched someone else play it is like calling yourself a fan of a movie because you read the screenplay

>>715840421
"cap" like "level cap", meaning "has an upper limit". Cap = limited, therefore bad. No cap = unlimited, therefore good.

>>715840421
lie/bullshit

>>715840538
like a bottle cap I guess
my bottle has no cap

>>715840350
To me a fan needs to experience something because a fandom is a group of people who not only like something, but have shared group experiences.
It would be the difference between a sports fan being disappointed because he watched his team lose with all the other disappointed fans and someone being disappointed because they heard about a team they (supposedly) like despite not following any of their games.

>>715838432
>Imagine being emotionally unaffected by your entertainment
>Imagine being dead inside
I feel sorry for you anon.
>>715838527
>>715838885
I'm a Millennial. What Zoomer was playing BI in 2013?
>>715839024
No I've been here longer.
>>715839635
Zero, I wish I could afford T as a cis dude who wishes he could be buff.

>>715833963 (OP)
I'm a pan of pizza tower and all C-team games, but I don't play their games, except for a hat in time, I did play that one.

The worst case of this is with guilty gear strive. Basically trannies took over the character and "claimed" him and now he's a troon symbol
Strive was already dumbed down enough but now you have faggots who literally have not even played guilty gear (or even fighting games in general) before but still claim they are fans while posting brisket memes
It's crazy how this is even a thing, I don't claim I'm a fan of stamp collecting if I have never collected stamps

>>715840430
>Fan: a person who has a strong interest in or admiration for a particular person or thing.

So, yes? Is there another definition I'm unfamiliar with? Sports fans are considered fans despite only watching it on television. That's never been really debated that I've seen. Not sure why this would be any different if someone watched another person play a game.

I remember watching my big sister play Fatal Frame when I was a kid. I fucking loved watching the game and love what it does to scare the player. I didn't actually play it since I was a kid and was too freaked out, but I'd still consider myself a fan of that first game. Admittedly, yeah, I should go play it myself one day to get a proper perspective on it all, but I still like the first Fatal Frame either way.

>>715840421
i heard cap was crap minus the r, like bullcrap, like a lie
and i heard cap was a shortening of kappa which was/is a twitch emote that people use to denote sarcasm when they're scared of being misinterpreted
i don't know what's the true original but from context with a zoomer highschooler that's working for me, it means lie (no cap? = no shit? = no lie?)

>>715840174
>that game
Holy vaporware.

>>715840669
There are about 3 elements of this image that 90% of the people in this thread will have never seen before. Can you name them?

>>715839742
All your posts are deleted when you're banned, it might be that.
Thanks to the nature of anonymous posting you can sometimes have an anon will be having a perfectly fine on-topic conversation in a very civil thread but posting high quality lolis pissing in another thread in another blue board and you'll never really know

>>715840682
I forgot the fucking picture of bridget but actually I'm glad I didn't post it don't want to spread the troon disease

>>715840643
Sure, but in that same example, the person who shares the experience with others still isn't actually playing the sport. They're not on the field throwing a ball or picking up a bat. They're with a group of people, but all of them are watching rather than actually engaging.

A similar comparison would be people watching a playthrough/stream, then going into the comments, on social media, or even making art to share with others in the community. In which their appreciation and sharing in what the community has to offer isn't much different from someone who actually played the game themselves I feel.

It just seems like a silly distinction is all.

>>715840696
Have you actually spoken to a "sports fan" in your life? They either play or have played the sport and/or willingly engage to support it because it's a matter of team/national pride to them. So in that, they are fans of something. Nobody actually just turns on a sports game on a whim and calls themselves a fan of it unless they're using that term very loosely and liberally (eg. I'm not a fan of eggs). An example would be something like MMA but even fans are the ones paying for PPVs or going to see the fights in person despite not really practicing MMA themselves.

>>715840696

But anon, Sports as a spectacle are designed TO BE watched. They put professional players, spend a shitload of money in the place the sport is played, there's tribalism by encouraging people to pick teams, root for certian players, etc.

It's akin to e-sports.

It's not the same being a fan of PLAYING football than a fan of professional football, normal people can't partake or even get to play in professional football. Same with e-sports

However everyone and their mother can play football or play a videogame. So there's no excuse to call yourself a fan of those things when doing neither.

>>715836427
>>715836690
Except almost none of them are children. Just check their ages. If appearance is enough for you to call them lolis, then Uma Musume is full of them. But AFAIK, the latter doesn't provide official ages.

>>715833963 (OP)
If you're a fan, why wouldn't you play it?

>>715840476
It's not even reading the screenplay, it'd be like calling yourself a fan of a film when you've just read the Wikipedia article or even just heard it described to you by someone else. You can like something and not be a fan of it is what some people are genuinely confused by since they use and hear the term fan used in a very hyperbolic sense.

>>715841360
They're not a fan of playing videogames.

>>715834864
/v/ would rather get into an argument about a game than play it

>>715840476
I think calling yourself a fan of a movie even though you've only watched a video essay on it would be a closer comparison.
Most games are about tactile player interaction and learning the game's mechanics. You don't get any of that from watching someone else play. Movies are a form of storytelling, so you'd still be experiencing some form of the movie's story through reading the screenplay, you'd just be missing out on the music/visuals that exist to enhance said story.

>>715841515
That's always just been a meme. Just like how /co/ hates comic books and cartoons and how /d/ actually hates porn.

>>715833963 (OP)
You're a fan if you engage with it to the extent that you're able.

>>715841515
Ain’t that the truth. Idk why the new generation is like that. They just love arguing like women

>>715841634
There's certain levels of engagement

>>715841138
My uncle is a fan of football. Has a whole get together with a half dozen other guys to watch superbowl shit. The guy is a bloated mess that's never once played football, and likely hasn't run more than a minute in his life. But he hangs out with all the others, sharing in wins, discussing bets, all that nonsense.

I'd say he's a fan. I never felt that he had to play football to be part of that "fandom". He's a sports fan through and through. It's never been a requirement to actually play the sport, at least in that community. Why does it have to be one in this community?

>>715841148
Last I checked sports are meant to be played. Yes, they can be a spectacle, but you have no sports without someone putting hands on a ball or bat. Every comparison to mentioned is the same as games. Games have been turned into more of a spectacle these days, with games solely designed to be streamer-bait or even involve audiences. No one argues about people being sports fans because they aren't running a field. At least I never see that "fanbase" get fussy about that distinction. I only really see that nitpicking in vidya, which is strange when it may as well be the same kind of tribalism, dedication, and elitism you see in other hobbies just like sports.

Again, just seems like a silly distinction to essentially pull a "not a real fan" argument. Which then goes even further at times into absurdity. You used an item in a game to beat it? Not a real fan, didn't experience it properly. You played it years after it came out? Not a real fan, you didn't join the original community. It's nonsense and spirals into a weird direction I feel.

>>715840906
>They're with a group of people, but all of them are watching rather than actually engaging
That's fine because the way to interact with a professional sports team is to watch their games. Fans do not participate in the actual games, but the act of watching along with the team is the shared experience I am talking about.
To use the example of this post >>715840696
I would not consider him a fan of Fatal Frame, but someone who had a positive experience while watching someone experience Fatal Frame and therefore has a positive outlook of Fatal Frame because of that. A fan needs the shared experience expected of a member of a fanbase otherwise they're more of a fan of individuals in a fanbase, vibes, or something else.

>>715840476
"Fan of a movie because your favorite movie reviewer on youtube did a video on it" seems the closest comparison imo, you see parts of it, get some opinions you can repeat to others but never actually watched it in full

>>715841678
> He's a sports fan through and through. It's never been a requirement to actually play the sport
You're missing my other point, he's a fan of the tribalistic nature and companionship of the sport more like. He wouldn't exactly be a fan of the sport itself.

>>715833963 (OP)
>A Silent Hill fan said xe is excited to play the series for the first time with Silent Hill 2 Demake

>>715841634
Nah. That's why we call people "posers".
If you've never actually played the game, just be honest and say you're specifically a fan of the music or story or whatever.

>>715841726
I'm that same poster for one. And I shared in the "fanbase" through my sister who played and beat the game. I watched alongside her, joking about it, getting scared by it, helping her solve puzzles. I didn't have hands on a controller, but I would say it was a shared experience through and through. And then, over the years, I would join in on threads discussing moments from the first game, what parts seemed difficult, all of that.

Again, I feel this is such a pointless distinction. If someone watched a game through, knows the story, knows the boss fights, knows the solutions to puzzles, and interacted with others in the community, that's more than a fan in my mind.

>>715833963 (OP)
No, you can be a fan of certain aspects of it (like music or character design) but you can´t say you are a fan of the game itself.

>>715841997
I force myself to play Guilty Gear Strive because I like the designs but I would rather play/am actually good at Street Fighter 6 (Even though SF6 has a trash roster)

>>715841496
when did this get "gameplay"? I thought it was just a trailer from years ago.
i would buy this day one if it ever came to be real.

>>715841827
But he watches it by himself? Goes to games by himself? Collects memorabilia?

I don't get this. So he's not a fan of the sport, but the community surrounding it? And he's not a "real" fan because of that? Is that what you're saying? Can't it be both? Why are we separating this out? Anon, come on.

>>715842087
>I force myself to play Guilty Gear Strive because I like the designs
You are already better than 95% of bridget "fans" who haven't even touched the game and just use him for tranny memes
They can't just say they like the music or the designs or whatever, they have to scream at the top of their lungs they are guilty gear "fans" while they can't even do a quarter circle

>>715842095
NTA, but that man is a fan of the League who plays the sport, not the sport itself.

>>715842316
But he likes football. He hates basically all other sports. Hell, he'll watch college football and other stuff besides the main deal. He just fucking loves football and honestly never shuts the fuck up about it.

If he's not a fan of football I don't know who is. Again, this just feels like nitpicking to the extreme.

>>715834662
Bases.

If you like the characters or fanart or whatever why wouldn't you at least try the game?

>>715842536
>sloppa
tertiarys...

>>715841976
I had a feeling you were the same poster but I've been wrong in the past making assumptions so I wanted to play it safe.
I don't have a problem with people being a part of your sister's playthrough and being a part of the fandom like you did, but to me that doesn't make you a fan of something.
Let me put it to you this way to make it clear why I'm so firm on this definition: If a AI was fed accurate information about a game and was told to adopt a persona of someone who loved the game and told to interact with the fanbase of the game, would that make them a fan of it?
In my view, no. A fan needs to share the base experience of something in order to be a fan, it is not a question of knowledge about a thing, positive opinions about a thing or shared discussion about a thing. If we ended up with only AI models with accurate information about a thing adopting the personas of people who liked something, to me the thing in question does not have a fanbase, but instead an intimation of one.

>>715842628
Because they want to fit in without actually putting in effort
there's already have a word for that, it's called being a poser and I have no idea why people stopped using that word because it's the best way to describe these faggots

>>715833963 (OP)
/v/ has proven time and time again that they can hate a game without ever looking at a game's trailer.

>>715842628
I did try to play BA but it didn't really catch my attention and the gacha system put me off.
Even so, I still like several of its characters.
>>715842629
Yeah.

>>715834003
zoomers are not people, nor are journos. Anyone using X is an indian and those things are not human.

> Being a hater is the same as being a fan
Are people retarded?
You can look at a game, see it's w*ke garbage or has boring gameplay and immediatly not like it.
You can't however say you're a fan of something just by having a glance at it.

Zoomers are cute leave em alone

>>715833963 (OP)
Yes and no. To be a fan of a game in the literal sense, you need to be a fan of all aspects of it. Story, Gameplay, Characters, for all these aspects make it a game. If you aren't then it's not the game in its entirety you're a fan of, therefore without playing it you cannot be a fan of the gameplay, and unable to be a fan of the game.
However, this is rare. As a result, someone being a fan of a single aspect is referred to as being a fan of a game itself. It is wrong through definition, but correct through common usage.
All that to say that No, you can't be a fan of a game you haven't played.

I consider myself a Deltarune fan but I only ever played chapter 1 so sure

>>715844704
Would you consider yourself a fan if you never played Deltarune?