Is there a game that let's me play as the Chaos Chads?

Total War?
Also Warhammer: Return of Reckoning let you be one of their minions

>>715835437 (OP)
orks are best

>>715835437 (OP)
where did you get my photo?

>>715835437 (OP)
Total War series and also Dawn of War - Winter Assault but not as Death Guard

>>715835437 (OP)
>Chaos Chads
Oxymoron

Dawn of war
Total war warhammer
Space Marine 2 pvp

>>715835437 (OP)
Sir? Your total warhammer game???

get all 3 of them and use creamapi to get the dlc

>>715836215
Also this
Chads are the fucking vampire coast

>>715836907
You mean the guys who do nothing?

why the fuck would anyone worship Tzeentch?

>>715837419
people with a fetish for getting bamboozled

>>715837419
Autism?
>>715835437 (OP)
pic rel

>>715837419
Promise of immortality without Nurgle's bullshit? He's also generally for nerds.

>>715837419
cause he's kind of really the only god option for politicians, officers, and officials, of which the imperium has A LOT of. and you mostly get tricked or corrupted into worshipping tzeentch and don't even know it until it's too late

>>715835437 (OP)

A few of the Daw of War games had nice chaos campaigns.
Don't overlook the expansions.

>>715837746
>Promise of immortality without Nurgle's bullshit?
I'd rather become smelly and gross than become a chaos spawn
>He's also generally for nerds.
You mean faggots.

>>715835535
Don't forget Warhammer Mark of Chaos.
And then various 40K titles.

I FEEL THE WARP OVERTAKING ME. IT IS A GOOD PAIN
DO YOU HEAR THE VOICES TOO????? IT IS AS THOUGH A THOUSAND MOUTHS CRY OUT IN PAIN

>OwlCat is doing Dark Heresy instead of Black Crusade

>>715836097
Found it underneath a bridge in some dumpster next to where a bbc gangbang was happening.

>>715836097
I typed "cute Anon" in google.

>>715838653
They'll probably do Black Crusade next. It's been hinted at. How would that work anyway? Would your character get promoted to Chaos Lord in Act I?

>>715837419
iirc the twin mages in Gotrek and Felix worshipped him because they wanted more power

>>715838884
>They'll probably do Black Crusade next. It's been hinted at
Interesting, what kind of hints?

I wish I could be as jovial as a sloppity bilepiper

>>715837419
Nigger you're living in the age when thousands of online podcast grifters pedal any obvious crypto scam and you're asking that?

I exterminatused the feudal planet in lex imperialis
I assume that was a mistake but fuck those people, they deserve to burn.

>>715837419
Knowledge freaks. You're basically making a gamble at knowledge you'll never know in a normal life or becoming an abomination of feathers and eyeballs.

>>715839287
During Skulls Owlkek released a series of three teaser images with the filenames using the initials for Dark Heresy, Black Crusade and Only War. Kind of vague but it can't be a coincidence

HASHUT HASHUT HASHUT

>>715839508
those chorf models look like they were ripped straight out of wow lmao
they're so fucking bad

>>715839563
New chorfs? For Shitmar?

>>715835437 (OP)
I have Nurgle fatigue

>>715839693
Yeah

>>715839563
i feel like the colour scheme isn't too flattering, i've seen edits by fa/tg/uys making them that traditional chorf crimson and they look a lot better

>>715839730
Holy cringe

>>715839730
Oh damn you weren't kidding at all about WoW

>>715839768
spoilering the worst offender

>>715839730

>>715835437 (OP)
Him cute

>>715839753
picrel

Malice > Nurgle > Khorne > Slaanesh > Tzeentch

>>715839704
t. Death Guard Chapter master after his 5000th consecutive year of bloody diarrhea.

>>715839920
>Malice

>>715839942
Don't they canonicaly give zero fucks or actually enjoy it to an extent?

>>715838653
Normies don't like being forced to be evil. Black Crusade only appeals to the 3% of gamers like us who can bear picking mean dialogue options.

>>715839942
Does he even have a physical body or is he just a suit of power armour full of demonic flies by this point?

>>715839942
>Death Guard
>Chapter Master
retard-kun...

>You
*sneezes maggot-ridden mucus all over a care home*
>don't
*develops an addiction to aged smegma mixed with cow boogers and corpse juice*
>understand,
*uncontrollable urge to eat own shit growing, collects and dates jars of his own shit and organizes them by color, smell and taste*
>Nurgle
*runs to a hospital and projectile vomits over every single baby, AFTER violating them with a frozen icicle made from his own feces*
>is
*wants to masturbate to a particularly juicy pimple, can't because dick got necrotic and fell off, just humps it instead, now has a tentacle for a dick and can only cum from nurglings crawling up his anus and biting his prostate*
>actually
*bloats to a size that puts several species of extinct megafauna to shame, is actually 92% maggots by weight, they will soon turn into flies, violently lay eggs in his body only to repeat the cycle ad infinitum*
>a
*cherrypicks examples of "le wholesome" Nurgle stuff when he actually doesn't give a fuck about his followers at all and takes away their lack of pain the second they fall out of line*
>good
*develops stockhold syndrome for a god and doesn't realize he's basically in a glorified parasocial relationship with a green fat vtuber*
>gu
*finger rots off whilst typing, can't finish his post, feels and looks picrel*

>>715840021
Some don't care, others are very very aware but can't do anything about it now they have ultra-gonnorhea. Nurgle can also switch off the "Feel No Pain" juice at any time, as can extremely strong pariahs, so the especially mutated ones can have a really bad time.

>>715835437 (OP)
Is there any game where I can play as a Genestealer, or a whole Cult?

>>715840261
Sounds pretty cool

>>715839920
Hashut mogs all of them

>>715839920
You got it exactly backwards.

>>715837419
Because you always find faggots who think they are so smart they will outwit everyone else forever.

>>715840375
haha yeah

>>715837419
he makes me laugh

>>715840097
GTA seems to do alright.

>>715840385
Well actually you are gay

>>715839730
>>715839794
>>715840412
Out of all the schemes they could've gone for, they went for that Warcraft fel green and purple? >>715839832 looks fine, are 'Eavy Metal just stupid?

>>715840435
GTA gets away with it by being "comedic" and being more like a trashy movie
Getting into a shootout with the cops and some drug dealers is a far cry from skinning some women and children alive, fusing their flesh into the walls of your throne room, and using dark magic to keep them alive and screaming for thousands of years.

>>715837419
>In a universe of endless oppression, danger, and suffering with seemingly no glimmers of hope that anything will ever get better, why would people be drawn to a faith and faction that empowers those who desire change?
Yeah, man, it's a real mystery.

>>715840507
>are 'Eavy Metal just stupid?
Yes.
They are very stupid.

>>715840540
>gets turned into a blob by birb for the lulz
Yeah some god you got there...

>>715840261
total nurgle cultist death

>>715835437 (OP)
>chaos
>chads
chaosfags are literally cucks

>>715840530
>fusing their flesh into the walls of your throne room, and using dark magic to keep them alive and screaming for thousands of years.
Based Curze

>>715840769
This. OrkCHADS MOG chaosKEKS

>>715837419
Why would you worship any?
>Khorne
Cool, you're strong now but you constantly have to fight less your god decides you'd be better off as a mindless beast. Also a small portion of your own team wants to kill you
>Slaanesh
Cool, all the pleasure in the world but now you're squeezing just about every narcotic into your peehole just to feel something
>Nurgle
Cool, you feel no pain or misery. Have fun rotting and not even knowing how bad it's getting
>Tzeentch
Dice roll every moment of your being whether you'll stay normal or wake up as a monster

>>715837419
im a gambler

Why would anything approaching a conscience choose to ally with a force that causes nothing but pain and suffering?

>>715835437 (OP)
Rogue Trader
>B-But playing as a chaosfag in that game is shit
Exactly.

>>715840507
I think they tried to make a colour scheme that diverged away from Fyreslayers and Kharadron Overlords but just ended up making them look like bargain bin Skaven. Some of the models still look like downgrade but the colour scheme is definitely the worst part in general with the new range, it's way too clean and symmetrical for what they're supposed to be.

Objectively, what is the least bad Chaos God to serve?

>>715841028
gotta roll that 0.001% demon prince gacha

>>715841090
I would say Khorne with the stipulation that you're a real hardcore thug motherfucker who can 100% take any fight thrown at you.

>>715841028
It's the right thing to do. Why would anyone want to go through pain and suffering by not choosing to ally with chaos, instead of being the one causing pain and suffering?

>>715841090
If you're a dwarf then Hashut.

If you're anyone else, I dunno I guess Khorne? Like he's the most honest about what you're getting into and only expects you to keep upping your k/d ratio and rank.

>>715841090
What the other guy says, Khorne has the least strings attached and is the most honest but you better be a badass motherfucker.

>>715841090
Depends on how far you get overall. If you only barely manage anything Slaanesh might reap only a bit of pleasure. If you go long term then Khorne. You're already going to fight shit, might as well be the one that rewards you for fighting.

Is it true that Nurgle loves you
I don't care if it's a degen warped kind of love, being loved is still better than not

>>715841090
If you're a psyker probably tzeentch. The thousand sons don't treat you nearly as bad most of the other chaos legions and you get to nerd out on forbidden knowledge at grimdark hogwarts. Otherwise, Khorne cuz being a blood crazed murderhobo might not be as unpleasant as becoming a walking toxic waste dump or slaanesh' eternal sex toy.

>>715841310
>Is it true that Nurgle loves you
Not really. Once he has you he doesn't really care much about you anymore, case in point Mortarion after he became a daemon.

>>715841310
He loving his followers is mere propaganda. His "love" is just warp influence blinding you from the shit he's doing to your body just by following him. The most notable thing being the second he stops "loving" you, you immediately realize what you've become.

>>715841310
Vastly overblown by memes.
He’s a mean bastard like the rest of them.

If chaos gods are manifestations of sentient life's worst impulses, why is there manifestations of the good stuff coming from sentient life?

>>715841090
Follow the one that gives the benefits that you want.
>Khorne
Material/Physical prowess (physically stronger, taller, able to fight better)
>Tzeentch
Aetheric/Mental prowess (muh "504639857643290856439805643908D chess", affinity for spells)
>Slaanesh
Sensory prowess (Music sounds better, Art looks better, things like music/art come significantly easier to you)
>Nurgle
Pain/disease immunity (Mental issues effectively vanish, you're suddenly immune to ebolgonaspyhilaids)
Of course, it really doesn't matter because they're the Satan/Saturn/Yaldabaoth/demons "most evil of evils" but significantly worse

Necrons and their lore is the only really interesting and cool stuff from 40k to me.

>>715841310
He loves you like how one would love a blender. You love it because it's useful and a means to your ends. You - in return - do your best to maintain it, but you still push it to its limits and blend dumb shit. Over time, the motor starts to slow down, the blades dull, entropy takes its course - or you simply find a better replacement. Then you no longer love it, as it is no longer useful. You break it into pieces and throw it away because it can no longer meet your demands.

>>715841090
Khorne. He's the only one that is strictly fair and honest. It's pure darwinism with him. No bullshit, just strength.

>>715841310
Ask Mortarion what he thinks about Nurgle’s “love”

>>715840097
Black crusade is about playing gay chaos ?

>>715841724
I vastly prefer the lore they had in third and fourth edition

Anyone wanna drop some cool lore stuff regarding 40k/Fantasy/AoS? I'm tired of Youtube spreading lies and or the same shit everyone knows.

>>715841724
Ok

>>715837419
Knowledge

>>715841989
FEC are probably the most inspired AoS faction but you probably know their deal already.

>>715839730
Not great but honestly could have been a whole lot worse.

>>715835437 (OP)
HEHEHEHAHAHAHAHA
*BRAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPFFSHHRRRTTT*

>>715842247
Contemplate the aroma.

>>715842287
Would probably kill you if you smelled it

>>715841090
>khorne
you fight, you bleed, you die
give khorne skulls, he roids you up
fuck up and survive and he'll be disappointed, might kill you
fuck up and die who gives a shit, you're dead
>nurgle
you're a rotting corpse nurgle rapes and impregnates with his disgusting spawn of flies, diseases, leeches, etc.
the only upside is that you've been mind-controlled into thinking that it's okay you're being raped every second of every day
>tzeentch
you will turn into a chaos spawn because you aren't smart enough
if somehow you're barely smart enough to not have that happen immediately you can look forward to a life of unending paranoia where any one of your colleagues (or the god you worship) may be trying to stab you in the back any second now
>slaanesh
eternal cock and ball torture (you are not the torturer and it is not pleasurable in any way for you)
best case scenario your soul is completely consumed by some daemon for fun
worse case you experience the worst thing metaphyiscally possible for as long as your soul lasts (maybe only a year, maybe a million, that's determined by how much of a named character you are) so a daemon can feed off of your suffering like a battery

>>715837419
The promise of knowledge, its the reason Magnus fell for him.

pic unrelated

>>715842343
Does it smell worse than rotting corspse in the summer?

>>715842447
Take a corpse, let it stew in a septic tank, then take the liquid in the septic tank and boil it down, then take the concentrated hellhole you've concocted and throw it in actively burning sulfur

>>715842447
Pure GUO booty slop probably smells so bad it has anomalous warp properties. Like, one particle of it goes up your nose and your insides liquify - which you proceed to vomit up before you die on the spot.

>>715838653
them vote next time on their pull

>>715842343
Just being that close to a great unclean one would kill you, even if he wasn't actively sharting

>>715841090
Vashtor the aspiring would-be 5th Chaos God.

>>715841724
Humanity is just so boring in 40k. And unfortunately that's like 85% of the setting

>>715842756
>guy who still has to physically do shit by hand
>a god
lmao

why worship one when you can worship all of them?

>>715842985
You missed a key word in that post, champ.

>>715842701
Didn't Black Crusade place 2nd on the last poll?

>>715843073
Lorgar was right about everything.

>>715843078
oh yeah, """""""""""""""aspiring""""""""""""""" LMAO, even funnier
belakor is an "aspiring" god too, so is every single undivided demon, all of them

>>715843112
I’m looking for it but I can’t find the results, so no idea.

>>715843073
What's the status of undivided daemon princes in the lore? Wasn't Belakor supposed to be the only one because it was agreed its a terrible idea?

>>715843375
Lorgar and Perturabo are undivided Daemon Princes as well.

>>715843375
I think the 40k version is that its really fucking hard to balance it, but not impossible.
Fantasy might be different

>>715841310
It is said that Beasts of Nurgle behave like curious and playful puppies.
So it is you can imagine that one Beast would find its way through the Immaterium and inside an Imperial base where a Comissar, after executing cowards and weaklings is taking a shower whilst thinking of praises to the Emperor. Such that he did not notice until the smell, which he had attributed to the gore from the executed men that splashed onto him, had not disappated, that the Beast had stumbled in. Excitecthat it had found a new playmate it tackles the bare ass Commisar who immediately reacted in abject objection and revulsion at the filthy daemon that tackled him to the ground. His anguished and heated screams at the beast to get off him is misinterpreted as encouragement to the beast as it kicks the man's face, each area that's been licked immediately forming boils and the skin starting to decay. And as it jumps up and down, the sheer weight starts breaking the man's bones even as the front of his body starts to peel off just from being in contact with the beast's infectious skin. His screams becomes garbled as the stench causes him to vomit whilst the decaying fumes starts melting the inside of his face. Finally, after a few more moments, the Commisar goes limp, succumbing to the myriad of infection, poison and the beast's strength. The beast itself pokes at the lifeless man, disappointed that it's not playing with it anymore, before leaving to find new playmates.

>>715843416
I know thats why I asked. I thought that was kind of dumb to make Perturabo one

>>715843536
the fuck

For me, it's Khorne. In a world of endless war, he just makes sense.

>>715841639
The Chaos Gods are also meant to reflect positive emotion as well.

Khorne values honour, valour, martial prowess and all that /fit/ nonsense.

Tzeentch is about hope, that your fate is not set in stone and through knowledge and willpower you can take control of your own destiny.

Nurgle on the other hand is about acceptance and making peace with ylur place in the world, that the universe is a cycle of life and death feeding into one another like The Circle of Life.

Slaanesh is just finding pleasure in experiences whether it's the arts, food, wine, relationships etc. Your basic Live, Laugh, Love woman diatribe.

>>715843668
Yeah, it was dumb but GW gonna GW.
Since they announced the Scouring books series we'll probably get a nu-canon explanation on the Iron Cage and his ascension lmao watch it be a contract with Vashtorr or something gay like that

>>715843859
>The Chaos Gods are also meant to reflect positive emotion as well.
only in fantasy

>>715835437 (OP)
Total War and Dawn of War.

>>715843859
>/fit/ nonsense
Fatass detected

>>715838653
the real crime is not being WFRP, it'd be the perfect 'fuck you' to pathfinderfags

>>715841310
Anyone who has ever experienced a bout of severe depression knows that Nurgle's so called love and freedom from pain and suffering is BS.

True despair is horrifying. Nurgle is the scariest Chaos God desu.

>>715843882
what a shitty choice
explaining every piece of lore does more bad than good, specially when most books and retcons are shit
they could actually try and shed a bit of light on the war in heaven, but I guess that doesn't sell marines

>>715847825
I find it oddly comforting surrendering yourself and giving up

>>715848203
Maybe but just because you are numb, it doesn’t mean is fun to have a green fatso shit on you constantly

>>715843859
this is non canon shit from TTS you fucking tourist

>>715837419
I fucking hate the status quo and want violent change and revolution.

As an accelerationist. Hes my go to guy.

>>715837419
What you have to realize is that there is a massive, rampart, unceasing, and uncompromising campaign to censor EVERYTHING about the Chaos Gods in both Fantasy and 40k. The average joe quite literally cannot know any better than what the Chaos Gods are telling him because trying to fact check will get him tortured and killed by the self proclaimed "good guys".
Thus people fall for them because the Chaos Gods will tell them how amazing it all is and give them a smidge of power to taste as "proof" while purposefully keeping the consequences hidden and having an easy scapegoat for what the "consequences" are in the form of the inquisition/witch hunters, so the poor human is led to believe that's the one and only consequence he'll ever have to face while also believing the power granted to them by said Chaos God will let them overcome this consequence.
This massive censorship campaign ironically benefits Chaos the most as it ensures they can freely manipulate fools who have no recourse or chance to ever know any better.

>>715835437 (OP)
The expansion to Battlefleet Gothic II: Armada contains a Chaos Campaign.

>>715842072
>most inspired
They are just the ghoul part of Vampire Counts, with delusion instead of paranoia.

>>715841090
Khorne is the most straight forward and as likely to give you the good shit for little effort as anyone else is
If you're talking about purely casual, low level cults before they start super radicalizing then it's slaanesh or tzeentch since they're just pleasurable bathhouses or libraries and trade routes instead of hunting lodges and abbatoirs or hospitals with poor hygiene standards.

>>715842709
No it wouldn't, you can stab a GUO to death with halberds in fantasy

>>715853236
You can stab a GUO to death with a chainsword in 40k too
What's your point?

>>715853315
My point is that you can be pointblank with a GUO as a completely normal person, not as a suped up space marine with decades of service.

>>715839730
>btw some of them are females!
Not only they fuck up the models but they fuck up the Lore big time.

>>715853469
AoS is not WHFB, chud

Can someone give me a quick rundown on fantasy vs 40k? I've never really been into Warhammer, only know a little, but have been wanting to dig deeper more and more. Should I just dig into one based on whatever aesthetic I prefer? Are they directly connected at all?

>>715839730
Not bad models, I like the bull, but what's with the Age of Sigmar marketers choosing such shitty color pallets for the factions? WoW Cataclysm for Chorfs isn't as bad as Neon Yellow for Orruks, but still

>a game that lets you play as Chaos
I can think of one.

>>715853595
what do you mean rundown? fantasy is old school fantasy and 40k is scifi-fantasy.
there's no connection between the two other than superficial similarities, they are very different setting and basically every race present are different in both in a lot of ways. honestly just watch some intro videos on youtube to get a start, then find what interests you from there

>>715840415
Based Jessica Rabbit

>>715836008
Any good Ork games?

>>715853595
Read through the faction lists of each setting and then go read more of whatever interests you most

>>715837419
You never got off on solving something that bothered you for a few days?
that big throbbing dick energy when you did it all by yourself and that you're a bigger man than any other man on the planet and you could impregnate any woman ever?

that's Tze.
meanwhile khorne and slan are cuck gods.

>>715853595
fantasy mogs 40k by virtue of having Chaos Dwarfs

>>715841090
Khorne only because you are too much of a slobbering retard to realize what a shit deal Chaos is.

>>715835437 (OP)
>Biggest game in the franchise has a feature
>Fucktard OP goes asking if the franchise has any games with the feature

>>715853795
There's Dakka Squadron, Speed Freeks, and Shootas, Blood & Teef which I thought were decent

Why do the Necrons make Chaos shit themselves

>>715837419
A lot of them aren't truly "faithful" to him like Khorne or Nurgle worshippers. Its more that they pay lip service to him, but the primary way you worship him is convoluted plans and treachery in order to benefit yourself, and you just accept the fact that sometimes Tzeentch will decide to fuck you over for fun.

>>715837419
Magic, nigga
I want power over people but I'm not stupid or strong enough to risk letting them chainsaw me in the face like Khornate dipshits
I want comfort and convivence but I don't want to jam my dick in the mouth of a space eel like those Slanneshi faggots
And I don't want things to be static and boring all the time so FUCK that fat retard Nurgle
I want to throw fireballs and make a bunch of bitch daemons do my chores.

>>715854153
because they had to make super anti-psyker technology to kill the strongest psykers that have ever existed as well as fight both the orks and the eldar, two incredibly psychic races in a galactic war, and thus are really good at it. chaos, being made exclusively of psychic energy, is not a great matchup for this

>>715853595
>Should I just dig into one based on whatever aesthetic I prefer?
Yes. Open the wiki, pick a faction, and start clicking links
The story of this franchise is built from reading lore entries across dozens and dozens of different splatbooks for all the factions and entire library worth of (mostly mediocre) novels and the wiki is genuinely the best compilation of all that shit.

>>715854153
necrons are masters of the material realm and fought against the undisputed masters of the warp (at the time) and their creations for millions of years before ultimately genociding them
Their technology also has null properties which render the warp inert, and their original pylon network was designed to cut off the galaxy from the warp entirely

Man, all I want is Boltgun but as someone other than a space marine.

>>715854569
>he doesn't like Primaris Ultramarines
How dare you. Insignifigant swine. I am sending a cease and desist to your mailbox as we speak. We KNOW you have violated our IP and we will find out how.

>>715853595
40k is hard sci-fi that got famous on being the most grimdarkness setting in the history of ever that could totally beat your setting in a fight because its just that fucked up and hardcore.
Fantasy is a late medieval to early renaissance setting based on Not-Earth-plus-Atlantis where every faction is loosely based on a real life historical or cultural archetype turned up to 11. It can be as high fantasy or as low fantasy as you want depending on where in the world you're focusing on.

The downside to Fantasy is its fucking dead, murdered in cold blood by the most horrendous writing you could ever conjure up in order to make way for the single most bland, generic, stale high fantasy setting you will ever see in your life all because Games Workshop wanted to sell Space Marines but in Fantasy.

The downside to 40k is its extremely super human focused where literally none of the rest of its rich universe and lore matter, if you don't want all humans all the time nothing but SPEEHS MEHREENS then too bad, because that's all you're getting. Its modern writing has also done away with any and all nuance in order to "advance the story" which in practice has killed the setting's biggest strength which was the ability to make Your Guys with their own backstory and personal stories and strife that mattered to you personally. Now all replaced by nobody but the Avengers mattering, turning the Imperium into fully good guys, and science and advancement being the Imperium's new philosophy after a mary sue character pulled out of GW's asses made it so.

>>715854696
Cawl being a mary sue isn't the own you think it is when 99% of named characters are just as bad as him

>>715854673
I'm just saying GW went through the trouble of making all these other cool races and factions and it's just more dudes in power armor spouting shit about heresy.

>>715854696
>40k
>hard sci-fi
it's literally one of the softest sci-fi universe of all time

>>715854153
Pre-necron lore change they were also the originators of the pariah gene in humanity, which is probably the single strongest anti-chaos weapon in 40k.

>>715854906
Some grey knight going into the warp and killing one billion out of infinite demons has less actual lore impact than creating an entire breed of Space Marines that ignore the limitations that made Space Marines even remotely interesting then having them be immediately accepted without any friction from hundreds of supposedly narrow-minded warrior monks with deep rooted traditions and extreme suspicion of everything outside their tight circle of brothers.

>>715853595
It's a matter of taste. Overall I think Fantasy is the much more competent setting with more fun and colorful heroes and villains. It just generally does a "Generic Fantasy Setting" but with enough tweaks and flair that it has a lot of it's own character.

For 40k, I enjoy it too, the only problem is that it kind of just throws every possible science fiction trope under the sun into one big pot and it suffers from decades of One Ups between the factions, leading to loads of dumb bullshit power wank that makes lots of stuff feel pointless. When entire worlds are meaningless it's hard to care about any outcomes short of Terra itself imploding or a Chapter World being lost, but that's already happened in Lore so even then, it's a "meh".

Fantasy is Order vs Chaos where Order is actually something decent and worth saving. There is enough legitimate Friction and rivalry between the Factions of Order that when they do Team up it feels like a big deal.

40k is Order vs Chaos but both options suck. There is zero meaningful trust to be built between the "Good Guys". When the bad guys lose it's meaningless because they all just come back next weak. When the good guys lose it's meaningless because there are still another million planets in the Imperium.

>>715855075
>ignore the limitations
What limitations are ignored. Primaris changed nothing.

>>715841310
Nurgle's whole thing is escape from pain. Disease is agony but when you worship Nurgle he releases you from the suffering, and instead you just get to enjoy life in his service.

>>715852826
Why don't Kroot eat space marines?

>>715855164
grogs will tell you the perfect narrative stagnancy is what makes 40k great

>>715839730
who tf thought abaut giving them such Paint scheme.
Everyone wanted pic related.

There is a fifth choice you know...

>>715855430
In this case it is because GW royally fucks up when they try to advance the plot
See: Age of Smegma
The people who created the cool and interesting setting are gone, replaced by corporate yesmen and the whims of schizophrenic investors that don't know the first thing about tabletop wargaming

>>715837419

You don't. You seek knowledge and power at any cost and you end up enslaved by your own obsession.

>>715854696
I think a major issue with 40k is that there is zero sense of distance, scale, or any meaningful territory to go with the fact that it includes the entire Milky Way Galaxy. You can traverse across the entire breadth of the Galaxy in just a few years, which is utterly insane.

Also almost everything is technically within the Imperium. You have no sense of Orc space, or Necron Space, or the Importance of Craftworld routes, or the areas with the highest concertation of Dark Eldar, or the areas that Tyranids have devoured, or what Chaos has seized for itself. It's impossible to get any sort of sense of what anyone is doing and so victory and defeat doesn't really feel meaningful unless a named character dies.

>>715855531
the emperor is the original chaos god but only bad for the rest of the galaxy, not humanity itself

>>715853490
Yes, it is. It's MHFB that took design inspo from WoW and has no lore worth speaking of.

>>715841090
In terms of quality of life, probably Slaanesh or Nurgle.

Slaanesh you'll get to pursue what you enjoy, but you'll quickly grow deadened to it so you'll get forced into an endless chase for your next high.

Nurgle you just get to be satisfied. Probably not hitting the peaks of happiness like Slaanesh or Khorne but you get a relative guarantee of happiness in a galaxy of suffering.

Khorne's issue is that you either fail and he doesn't care or you succeed and gradually your personality erodes away due to rage.

Tzeentch is just backstabbing dickery and probably the highest frequency of ending as chaos spawn.

>>715835535
playing Destruction on return of reckoning, except nothing scratches the "Im evil and HAVING FUN" itch like greenskins
>>715836008
what he said

>>715840261
The new Dan Abnett book is coming along fine I see

>>715853595
>Are they directly connected at all?
Technically. Chaos exists outside of space and time and they've conquered countless dimensions and timelines and reality. So all Chaos characters are shared between the two settings

>>715855430
Nah. The Imperium is interesting because it's a single all encompassing super power that's supposed to be collapsing in real time. It's the Fall of Rome in Space. When Vandire gets hold of power and almost single handedly extinguishes mankind, that's neat. When Mecharius shows up and leads such a brilliant Crusade that he sets back the Doomsday clock by Millenia, that's interesting. How the Imperium has morphed and mutated, adding and taking away institutions in order to survive and keep itself coherent is cool.

Really the problem is the villains on the outside and the way the map has been written. Abaddon, Asdurbael, or Ghazgkull are supposed to be these horrible villains but narratively they can never do anything meaningful because the setting isn't really set up for it. There should be an idea that tonnes of Sectors are just sort of on their own like the Western Roman Empire, while others are much more prosperous and almost as good as their Gold Age equivalents.

Where my EC bros at?

>>715856015
If you're going to go Chaos you might as well go all the way.

>>715835437 (OP)
I prefer the smell of rotten eggs over the smell of a smoker or a drunktard

>>715855946
>Abaddon, Asdurbael, or Ghazgkull are supposed to be these horrible villains but narratively they can never do anything meaningful because the setting isn't really set up for it.
abaddon cut the galaxy in half, this complaint doesnt really work for him

Khorne bros get the FUCK in here

>>715856073
>all the way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEpf_RvU3cI

>>715856094
I mean that did help with the Fall of Rome narrative since it is pretty much now Western/Eastern, except the Eastern portion is still mostly shit. On the other hand it proves my point. He cut the fucking Galaxy in half and what did it even matter?

>>715856210
>Tfw I'm canon.

>>715856235
>He cut the fucking Galaxy in half and what did it even matter?
are you saying for the half in the dark imperium things didnt get worse? Cause they certainly did. Also the imperium just lost half their resources.

>>715841989
all vampires are sandniggers or sandnigger rape babies

>>715849987
Not a 40k nerd but I heard that they have to keep the populace overworked and miserable because they need the production to fight off orcs/necrons/tyrannids anyways. At that point letting people know about chaos means there will be plenty of dumb oppressed peasants who will take a chance with chaos just for a chance at being less miserable.

>>715837419
They think they can outsmart him, mostly.

>>715856316
>At that point letting people know about chaos means there will be plenty of dumb oppressed peasants who will take a chance with chaos just for a chance at being less miserable.
Guilliman went over this, that letting people slave away for nothing like cogs does more for chaos then anything chaos could ever do.

>>715856301
>things got WORSE!
>the imperium lost HALF ITS RESOURCES!
And the effect of that was... Primarchs coming back, technological advancements in the Imperium, the biggest crusade ever made, and of course full access to all of the resources needed to pull these things off.
In a classic case of "tell don't show" GW writing, we were told shit got worse but are shown the exact opposite.

>>715856414
>In a classic case of "tell don't show" GW writing, we were told shit got worse but are shown the exact opposite.
Except its a recent event, and every new book shows the opposite of what your claiming

>>715841090
All of them are equally terrible, but Khornw is the easiest to please.

>>715856393
Well Guiliman sounds like he has more than 2 brain cells but everyone else doesn't and it's easier to hit production numbers by being an asshole. Does Guilliman know that other people are retards?

>>715856301
do not worry He will just pull out Cawl who already:
>Did Space Marines V2 in his basement for 10000 years
>Did new technologies...In Mechanicus
>Made so now they can somehow revitalize planets afther fucking tyranids
He will just make...beacons so Warp is a no big deal

>>715856520
Why do people get so butthurt over primaris, there appearance did fuck all. Space marines are still struggling, those new marines certainly didn't allow the imperium to recover.

>>715856269
Sons of Malice is canon and so is the Labyrinth short story

>>715856301
See you can say that, but again its just not meaningful because the setting doesn't have anything like Fantasy does where there are well established territories where Life is supposed to be moderately normal and enjoyable. Saying half of the worst Dictatorship that ever existed has fallen into Darkness just doesn't mean much.

Narratively the only board on the piece that matters is Terra itself and that's one of the single worst worlds on the Imperium to live on.

>>715856479
>Does Guilliman know that other people are retards?
More than anyone else

>>715856592
i dont disagree, but pretending abaddon isnt doing shit or his action did nothing, is just flat out wrong.

>>715841310
He "loves" the diseases festering in you - his true children. Nurgle could not give less of a fuck about you as an actual person and behind the endless jolly merriment all of his followers present, there is simply an infinite unending sea of bitter black nihilism and apathetic disdain for all that exists. Nurgle's followers are inherently the msot fucking miserable of all of the Chaos followers, because they are despair incarnate.

>>715856269
>>715856210

>>715856784
this is never a thing since all god are terrified of Malice

>>715856520
you're being extremely disingenuous, the galaxy has been split in two and nearly half the imperium cannot see the astronomicon anymore.

If you read The Great Work, Cawl has also been indicted by his peers and will have to face a serious tech-heresy case that will at some point have to be presided over by the fabricator general himself, he is not likely to win this.

Also to even attempt to mass-manufacture the necrontyr anti-warp pillars, he now has to channel the efforts of multiple mechanicus systems, cooperating and outputting insane energy, in order to create a time-tunnel, to access an ancient necrontyr world about to fall into a black hole.

>Made so now they can somehow revitalize planets afther fucking tyranids
the imperium used to be able to do this during the Great Crusade, and the golden age of man could do it very easily. Its lore. Don't you know the lore?

All that being said, GW are woke as shit now and i've abandoned the entire franchise, they pozzed the final 3 Seige books and made femstodes canon, disgusting.

>>715856816
ok, dude, the name is MALAL, and he's not gonna suck your dick for this

>>715856520
>>Made so now they can somehow revitalize planets afther fucking tyranids
said thing would take thousands of years according to cawl and for the current state of the imperium its completely pointless to do

>>715843536
And yet in Darktide we can safely survive being vored by one multiple times. That commissar must have been the weakest bodied man to have ever live in the history of mankind.

Guilliman is my spiritual liege.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08cmC0eX554

>>715838128
>Warhammer Mark of Chaos

Fuck yeah

https://youtu.be/dNFGJQIW5ZM?si=6XUhOUEPoW55Kv1c

>>715856928
Malal is from Fantasy and isn't canon after the copyright dispute. Malice is in 40k and is canon.

>>715853913
They have space marine Chaos Dwarves though (Iron Warriors)

>>715857146
>and is canon.
oof.... brother....

>>715857146
>Malice is in 40k and is canon.
the only reference malice has had is a chaos warband in a codex

>>715837419
>studying esoteric shit
>start hearing a voice that can give you even more esoteric shit
>not versed in chaos because you're an empire nobleman scholar that's only known about sigmar and his bros
>think this mysterious voice is sigmar or a sigmar spirit
>get bamboozled into doing a ritual that sells your soul for more power
>soul gone, mind corrupted, you know who tzeentch is but don't give a fuck because your soul and mind is being controller by him
>become ebin chaos wizard
Or if your norscan, iunno, pick a god or die I guess

>>715835437 (OP)
Wait did Nurgle appeared in a game?

>>715835437 (OP)
>Chaos
>Chads

It took all four gods to make a guy strong enough to fight an Emperor that was holding back because he didn't want to kill his son if he didn't have to.

>>715835437 (OP)
I wonder what they were even thinking when they wanted the emperor to become the 5th chaos god? He was destined to destroy the galaxy which would have killed the other gods as well. I don't get this plot point at all.

>I'm late
>we have to split up our Legions

>>715858506
He was 100% in the right. For example : The badab wars would have been disastrous had Huron had legions under his controls.

>>715856904
Detail how they pozzed the final seige books?

>>715858832
The books had w*men in them.

>>715835437 (OP)

>>715836375
>40k
He said chaos chads, not eunuchs with daddy issues

>>715856604
>>715856479
Why was Girlyman the only primach with his brain intact again

>>715856459
>Except its a recent event, and every new book shows the opposite of what your claiming
How so?
>GUYS ARMLESS FAILURE FINALLY BLOWN UP CADIA!
>oh nvm Bobby just pulled infinite amount of marines out of nowhere
>GUYS ANGRON RETURNS AND LUTHER GATHERS FALLEN TO CALIBAN
>Oh nvm Lion returns with infinite amount of uncorrupted Fallen who cal teleport throught the Warp

>>715861492
He was the only primarch who cared for ruling. Others had mind only for conquest.

>>715861836
I wonder what minor chaos god he used to be. All the primarchs act so weird in the moment, even nice guys like mr salamander and mr woof, so it's weird that girlyman went through the same process and came out different.

>>715861817
Chaos is in the cusp of cutting off Nihilus. Abaddon brought out the planet killer from his arsenal, intent on destroying the remaining Blackstone planets. GW confirmed that this is the year of chaos.

>>715835437 (OP)
No World Eaters GOW clone during 7th gen is such a sin

>>715861985
The warp isn't all bad. The good stuff still exists but only overshadowed by the malignant emotions. The new Tau God of order is proof of that.

Is Chaos ACTUALLY that bad?

Well okay, I know it is bad. Endless cock and ball torture, murderhobo lifestyles, rotting forever and loving it, paranoia and forbidden knowledge, I know the actual deal with Chaos and that it sucks fucking nuts - but is it really significantly worse than living as what is essentially a slave to the empire and then dying from overwork, xeno monsters, or getting sacrificed to the Throne if you are a Psyker?

I mean fuck, Chaos seems shit compared to life now but I would 100% take any of the Chaos Gods except maybe Slaanesh over daily Imperium life unless I was a noble or something. If the Empire wasn't such a hellhole I imagine the offer of Chaos worship wouldn't be half as appealing

>>715862242
>- but is it really significantly worse than living as what is essentially a slave to the empire and then dying from overwork, xeno monsters, or getting sacrificed to the Throne if you are a Psyker?
Yes.

>>715862242
You just described why Chaos is such a problem for the Imperium of Man. They need massive borderline slave worlds to keep their society running due to sheer scale and the need to beat back Chaos, but those same conditions fuel Chaos like nothing else because real life is so bad that Chaos worship becomes appealing and in some cases can legitimately improve your life at least for a while.

>>715862019
>Chaos is in the cusp of cutting off Nihilus.
and..?
>Abaddon brought out the planet killer from his arsenal, intent on destroying the remaining Blackstone planets.
OH NO
>nvm Imperium and Necrons now knows how to make pilons

>no Warhammer 40k: Chaos Space Marine
>instead of brotherhood, camaraderie and loyalty you get treachery, disruption and constant bickering

>>715862698
>nvm Imperium and Necrons now knows how to make pilons
Aren't you forgetting the part where Chaos figured out how to polarize the pylons into amplifying the warp instead of receding it?

>>715857012
for how much GW and fatshark are anal about lore accuracy, you really do some crazy shit in darktide
>"oh the rejects cant get any crazy gear because they're really just weak losers"
>"you likely won't fight a plague marine because they're too strong for the rejects"
>kills demonic beasts like its nothing, army of ogryns not a problem, kills daemonhosts for fun

>>715862869
The simple answer is that none of the gameplay is canon. The death rate is extremely high and your reject is the only one who has successfully survived the entire plot which is why Rannick is slightly impressed.

>>715862869
>Waves of daemonic beasts and actual chaos spawn meant to fight Space Marines get absolutely shitted on by squad of 4 former militarum soldiers with basic gear and lots of screaming
Yeah, same thing with Titus and Caedo who should by lore and tabletop rules be torn to pieces but somehow end up just wrecking everything.

>>715862702
Chaos vs chaos mode in space marine 2 soon.

>>715862242
>but is it really significantly worse than living as what is essentially a slave to the empire and then dying from overwork, xeno monsters, or getting sacrificed to the Throne if you are a Psyker?
Yes you absolute moron.

>>715861817
oh god look its one of those dumb niggers who watch meme loretubers

>>715862242
Yes, and Ordo Hereticus is there to keep an eye out for retards like you before they get any funny ideas

>>715858167
The Chaos Gods have been multiversal for a long time now - the destruction of one universe is meaningless to them because theyre feeding on an infinity of others. The only negative thing that the fully realized Dark King would have done to the other Gods is render them completely lesser and impotent in its presence as it would have assumed total dominion over the entire Warp, and it's hardly a 'negative' since that's what the other Ruinous Powers want; they are subordinate to the Dark King.

>>715862242
>serving in an authoritarian regime vs serving for literal demons who are out for your soul
are you this retarded irl?

>>715862835
Aren't you forgetting that Imperial pylons are designed by Cawl who is smarter than Bile, Trazyn, Szeras etc?

>>715863391
Projecting much?

>>715863486
>Projecting much?
Lol you dont even know what projection is either? holy fuck

>>715863486
>Imperial pylons
No such thing.

>>715863486
>designed by Cawl who is smarter than Bile, Trazyn, Szeras, etc
It doesnt have anything to do with what was said but you seem to be extremely butthurt and obsessed about Cawl that you try to loop him in every conversation. .

>>715863509
>Lol you dont even know what projection is either?
i know. And haven't watched 40k youtuber, for 10-15 years. So your damage control futile paypiggie

>>715863462
>they are subordinate to the Dark King.
They want the dark king to lead them? What benefit would it serve to them?

>>715863670
>i know
And yet you cant use it in the correct context? Are you brown by chance? That would explain your ESL understanding.

>>715863670
>futile paypiggie
way to prove that you are a retarded secondary.

>>715863618
>It doesnt have anything to do with what was said
>guy who is smarter than Emperor happens to be in charge of constructing Imperial anti-warp Pylons
>surely he wouldn't be able to outsmart diet Hashut

>>715863770
You are posting in /v/ thread retard. crawl back to /tg/ and cry some more about secondaries

>>715863462
>they are subordinate to the Dark King.
they are not, they just want him because the emperor is more trouble then a 5th player in the great game.

>>715835437 (OP)
>chaos

>>715863810
>my presumptions are exactly what would transpire in the future because??
You are retarded and no, cawl is not smarter than the emperor.

>>715863810
>Imperial anti-warp Pylons
the pylon you keep bringing up worked cause of trazyn, not cawl. If your going to bring something up atleast know what you are tallking about

>>715837419

shut up nurgle

>>715841090
If you're gonna devote yourself to Chaos, your best bet is becoming a demon prince of Chaos Undivided. You partake in the boons while no single god holds power over you. You essentially become your own minor Chaos deity. That's why Perty did it, he realized that it's the least shitty way to keep himself from dying.

>>715855376
They do. We just don't know what they get from it or what they look like after cuz geedubs never released models of kroot hybrids of human, eldar, ork, etc.

>>715864201
Don't marines have acid blood or something?

>>715864274
no, their spit is acidic

>>715835437 (OP)
>chaos
>chads

>>715843536
Well that was....something.

>>715863985
>the pylon you keep bringing up worked cause of trazyn, not cawl
Only in the fall of Cadia. Cawl already developed his own pylons

>>715855484
No color can salvage this disaster.
Turns out GW just can't beat FW at their peak.

>>715864367
>Cawl already developed his own pylons
...no he hasn't. and if you dare reply he has, go on and provide the excerpt

>>715864367
Cawl is planning an expedition to a necron world to find out how to make them, but he has not made any of his own.

>>715864415
>go on and provide the excerpt
Genefather

>>715864690
I did not ask for the book, i asked for the excerpt And i know very well in that book it does not say that.

So.....all those Primaris marines prior to Gulliman's resurrection. The tens of thousands of them. They have just been sleeping in cold storage the whole time after the Imperium recovered from the horus heresy?

>>715864717
>And i know very well in that book it does not say that.
Then it would be easy for you to find.

>>715864924
How can i find something that doesnt exist in the book? Are you being dumb?

>>715864821
No, Cawl spent thousands of years working on them.

>>715861817
>oh nvm Bobby just pulled infinite amount of marines out of nowhere
Funny how this guy always downplays chaos matching the imperium stride for stride if not always ahead. Bile is making primaris chaos marines.

>>715835437 (OP)
There are three

This Belisarius Crawl guy sounds like an awfully convenient plot device for developing whatever new technology the Imperium needs despite it being portrayed as a stagnant repressive empire.

>>715865325
and abaddons arks of omen are basically the same huge armada's guilliman put together for the indomitus crusade

>>715865407
Ah but hes a plot device so GW can make new models of plastic crack

>>715865413
A chaos machine god vashtorr has been born, etc etc and yet the imperials gaining the tiniest advantage to stay alive is somehow an asspull, making some people seethe.

>>715837419
its all just picking your preferred method of dying in the 40k universe. Might as well do it in a fun way.

>>715849987
>This massive censorship campaign ironically benefits Chaos the most as it ensures they can freely manipulate fools who have no recourse or chance to ever know any better.
This is vastly superior to the option of *everyone* knowing about chaos and thus feeding into their power through just thinking about them.

>>715837419
Tzeentch makes the second most sense after Slaanesh for gooners. He has knowledge and magical power.
Khorne is strength, and Nurgle has the weirdest reasoning.

>>715865814
knowing chaos and feeding chaos aren't the same thing. It's just that weak minded people end up falling to its temptations.

>>715865972
>knowing chaos and feeding chaos aren't the same thing
Yes, they literally are. The warp and all the entities in it are physical reflections of the minds of people in the materium. The more people know about Chaos, the more powerful and present Chaos becomes. It's why heresy has to be violently stamped out wherever it crops up, at whatever cost. People just being aware of Chaos and the daemonic forces in it means those very same force have a foothold in the materium and will keep spreading like a fucking plague.

I hope the fucking Tyrianids eat you all

>>715865910
Hardly anyone goes to Nurgle unprompted.
Most people that fall are usually his victims in the first place and he offers to take away the suffering for joy instead if they join his "family".
He and his followers like to go on about Grandfathers love and how everyone is one big happy rotten family but they never mention that your innards need to be liquefying inside you while maggots grow in your eyes before they ever extend that hand of friendship.

>>715863462
If that were even a bit true they wouldn't have been scared of the emperor killing them off for good when he deleted Horus' soul. Powerful as he is he's only a psyker voltron formed from at most a few thousand proto-psykers. If the chaos gods really had an inifinite number of universes to draw strength from then they wouldn't have given a shit, and would have just face tanked his DELETO beam. If what you claim was the slightest bit true then they would have won long ago and would never have been explicitly described as so afraid of the emperor that they don't even call him by his name, for fear of it drawing his attention.

Keeping knowledge of Chaos a secret is fine before the fall of Cadia. But since the event that basically tore the entire galaxy in half and left a massive warp schism in the middle, it's a pretty stupid and pointless endeavour. Like yeah, by this point everybody know something monumentally fucked up has happened.

>>715866132
>People just being aware of Chaos and the daemonic forces in it means those very same force have a foothold in the materium
Even the sacred texts of the imperium mention about the evil demons and the traitor primarchs are also mentioned as the nine devils. This is a non-issue. It's chaos worship and feeding them through strong emotions such as fear that makes demons manifest.

>>715866227
praise the three armed emperor

>>715866308
I think it's said after khorne tried to invade Terra and the Grey knights had to be dispatched they gave up on killing any witnesses (also funny Guilliman paraded with Fallens)

>>715855484
>>715839832
>steal demon engine gimick from Khorne
>steal bull motifs from Khorne
>only colour sheme people want for you is Khrone's
You're just proving how utterly pointless Hashut is if everything people like about him is just Khorne

>>715866386
>three armed emperor
four armed retard

>>715866376
> It's chaos worship and feeding them through strong emotions such as fear that makes demons manifest.
Everything feeds Chaos. The warp is a direct representation of peoples' minds in the materium. Just thinking about Chaos feeds into it. Dreaming about it feeds into it. Just having emotions in general feeds into it.
The Imperium goes out of its way to execute entire military units if they had experience fighting against Chaos, because the threat of heresy inherent in people just knowing about Chaos is overwhelming. The only thing keeping the ruinous forces back is peoples' ignorance of it. The moment the general populace becomes aware of Chaos, it becomes a permanent fixture in our mundane reality.

>>715866247
>so afraid of the emperor that they don't even call him by his name, for fear of it drawing his attention.
Every depiction of the Emperor's current state is akin to a helpless being circled by a pack of 4 huge predators.

>>715866386
>three armed emperor

[stares inquisitorially]

>>715866552
If they keep executing regiments with experience of fighting chaos then they would run out of veterans, retard.

Trying to attribute realities causality onto the warp is a waste of time.
Remember the Slaanesh has a definite, recorded date of birth in the material realm but thanks to the warp because all kinds of fucked up the second Slaanesh was born as far as the warp is concerned they had existed forever.
This is to say and cope that the opposite is just as plausible. if the warp was ever calmed enough that the chaos gods "died" well then it'd be like they never existed since the warp doesn't play by any rules.

>>715866670
They do execute them, and there are always more guardsmen to feed into the fray.

>>715841989
Some parody of Death Note exists.
If you write someone's name and how they'll die they will only die that way.
Groupe of Tzeentch cultists stole it and wrote increadibly contrived deaths for themeselves, knowing they can't die until the exact thing they wrote happens and they'll be imune to everything until then.
Sounds like an immortality trick, but we've never heard about them again, so maybe they all got Final Destination-ed instantly after trying to be clever

>>715866752
The imperial guard would never have captains, majors, generals if that were the case. Just reading a few black library books would prove your exaggeration false.

>>715835437 (OP)
Blood Bowl 2 has a nurgle team, they are pretty fun to play also

>>715867179
Chaos gods are actually not so malevolent in the bloodbowl universe. They don't want to destroy as that would mean no more bloodbowl games.

>>715849987
Its not in Fantasy, Chaos is too prevalent in peoples daily lives to cover up. Norsican raiders are a regular issue, and the Empire doesn't have dominion over Bretonnia and other free cities. Also the witch hunters in fantasy are a much smaller faction compared to the Inquisition in 40k.

Now skaven on the other hand...

>>715867332
Believing in the skaven doesn't make them stronger lol.

>>715867332
>Now skaven on the other hand...

Do not exist, there is no secret rat man society living under your city, you're just paranoid.

Baldur's gate 3

>>715837419
>Why the fuck would god of trickery trick people?

>>715856316
>Not a 40k nerd but I heard that they have to keep the populace overworked and miserable because
No, Imperium uses hideously inefficient and awful production methods because all technology is owned and managed by AdMech who are idiots and barely contain their disdain for unaugmented fleshbags

>>715839730
>Try Make WH Chorfs
>Suddenly have WoW Orc warlocks instead

>>715867709
I was thinking necrons but god damn you are right it's guldan and his balefire shit

>>715837419
Because Tzeentch is the true gooner god of choice

>>715855748
i dont care for rp, but it's pretty fun to act like a retarded football hooligan in that game

>>715840261
Couldn't have summed it up better. Chaos is a fucking terrible deal no matter what god, but man Nurgle is something else.

>>715867156
if you havent figured out yet anon they fight other things than chaos in the 40k universe, in fact fighting actually chaos (not just some rebellion being lead by a couple of cultists) is pretty rare so yeah they do get executed once they find out things they shouldnt

>>715867628
It's because The Emperor giving all the shit heads power so he could keep an eye on them. Working as intended they would have near zero freedom and be under the Big E's thumb 24/7. With him and Malcador not around to shut down their more retarded antics, you get the imperium in it's current state. This is why Bobby G wanted to kill himself after he woke up, because he knows how things are supposed to be, and how much work it's going to be for him to get everything as close to back on track as he is capable of getting it.

>>715867840
The models themselves aren't terrible, but the color palette they used on them for the previews was atrocious. You can find some guys on /tg/ using photo editing sorcery to give them the classic chorf colors and they look fine.

>>715867814

>>715867984
Also holy shit Iron Hands and White Scars finally getting attention with new named characters.

>>715867814
>noodle arms
>shirt on
You even Tzeentch bro?

>>715867861
There are crusades against chaos held worlds (see sabbat crusades) and the imperial warmachine doesn't go executing their soldiers.

>>715868765
executing plebs for coming into contact with chaos is a inquisition practice

>>715868878
They have their methods ... to detect taint.

>>715868390
I mean the lore is literally that they're fucking nerds who use magic to roid out for battle

>>715841310
no it's just retarded secondary revisionism

>>715854673
Caedo is a firstborn Sternguard Veteran though

>>715857283
>>715857318
Sons of Malice are very much canon and appeared in multiple stories and a game. Malice as deity they worship appears only in one short story and it has barely any information on what he is, but its still cannon, even though this will probably never go anywhere.

>>715856015
>supposed to be perfection
>sterile
40k Chaos is so lame

>>715870631
My nigger, the Labyrinth is almost 15 years old at this point. It's time to let go.

>>715871441
Reproduction implies imperfection and mortality

>>715871791
>Reproduction
Sex is for pleasures, silly.

>>715871921
the fuck is that image

>>715869651
Yeh Tzeentche's fate manipulation powers makes them into theoretical best versions of themselves to make them useful in combat.
Why the fuck would a regular skinny nerd be a frontline troop?

>>715856015
Why does everyone think having a snake lower half is the pinnacle of beauty and the sexy?

>>715873124
>we have Morathi at home

>>715873124
Took me a moment to realise the emblem is on his exposed groin muscle with parts of his skin peeled back and nailed.

>an entire Total War Warhammer thread happened and I was asleep for it
it's over

>>715864335
rich coming from a gay baseddinavian furfag

>>715837419
Because every cultist thinks they're the one that is too valuable to give up.
They all think that each idiot who got Tzeentch'd had it coming for his weakness, and that of course they're too clever to be caught in such a scheme

>>715876383
I hope the siege rework is good but I know they can't fix it
Looking forward to Tomb Kings and Lizardmen getting a little love, even if it's just "QOL" and not full reworks.

>>715876383
God I love Elspeth, I should track down a recast

>>715841310
Nurgle's the abusive parent who has his children convinced that the beatings are for their own good

>>715843859
>Your basic Live, Laugh, Love woman diatribe
Or sex drugs and rock and roll
Slaanesh is about indulgence, whether it be in fleeting pleasures or even dedicating yourself entirely to a skill

>>715876383
>all the coomer mods are just subshit
Sucks. I want Miao and Katarin running around as giga stacies leaving no cock unsucked because they enjoy it, not because they're some pathetic slaves to some shitty demon.

god he looks so fucking good I love tomb kings but I hate that I will give GW more money

i cant wait for owlcat to make a soulbound game.

>>715879450
I can't wait for them to not do anything like that.

>>715837419
>tfw ur 2 smart 4 khorne n 2 shy 4 slaanesh

>>715879572
cope

>>715879887
>fucks up your ritual for a laff and turns you into a chaos spawn
heh

>>715879904
Enjoy your The Expanse third person shooter which will still be more successful than anything with the Age of Smegma name attached to it :)

>>715879262
Not even the best undead showed yesterday and they only showed like 2 kits across all games

>>715879976
>or did he?
daddy birb playing 5D chess trust the plan

>>715880049
let the seethe consume you.

>>715880356
>he says, seething

>>715880117
yeah the Liche Priest was pretty cool too

>>715837419
Tzeenchian worlds have the highest quality of life for humans in the Galaxy. And he protects you from Nurgle, who's "gifts" are possibly the worst fate you could face in 40k.

>>715879262
Still can't match the master

>>715880819
Goofy motherfucker.

>>715880763

>>715835535
>Total War?
is total ass

>>715837419
>BEYOND YOUR COMPREHENSION

>>715841090
they're all gay, only chad lords are untainted(mostly...)

>>715881073
Nightfags are the gayest of them all.

>>715880903
Non issue. No one has ever played Warhammer for the rules anyway. It was always about the cool models, concepts and spectacle.

>>715881136
yea, and the d-team at ca fucked it

>>715881116
of all the chapters who went haywire(which is all of them) the niggit lords are the only ones who stayed true to mass murder and flaying
imagine dropping to a planet and caring exactly how the populace is genocided when they're all slated to die anyways

>>715880868

>>715881203
Fucked what? They nailed the scale of combat and have some insane level of detail in the 3D animation. Yes, playing Total War combat is banal because of how simple it is, but it looks nice when you zoom in just to look at the combat. Just treat Total Warhammer like a zoo or something. Honestly I have no idea how the TW series ever got popular enough in the first place given how poo it is for anything historical.

>>715881301
But that is exactly what the Night Lords do?

>>715881394
i think i have tw save files older than you, you know nothing

>>715881420
kill, it's what astartes were made for, and they got suspended from class for it

>>715881519
No, they ritually torture and mutilate the majority of whatever planet they attack. Exactly like every other chaos fag.

>>715881596
>Exactly like every other chaos fag.
except chaos fags came long after night lord brutality
also there's nothing particularly wrong with their tactics

>>715876383
I want a bald goth gf like elspeth.

For me it's

Minotaurs
Silver Skulls
Marines Malevolent
Shadow Wolves
Blood Ravens
Sons of the Phoenix
Death Eagles
Covenant of Fire
Mentors
Iron Snakes
Sons of Antaeus
Mortifactors
Carcharodons

>>715881454
Doubtful. Veeery doubtful. Btw, games like Shadow of the Horned Rat did TW combat better and years earlier than TW did. I suggest you try that game some day, even if it may look a bit too old for your tastes.

>>715882006
why are you so stuck on combat? the combat has always been shit
we went from 500hr phalanx vs phalanx battles to 5min routs, and you're defending the shit nu devs who don't have a clue but want to act like h-game devs who do nothing and get paid

>want to play as xeno races not just elves
>Only option is a PS2 game and nerfed jokes in strategy games.

>>715877434
For me the Lizardmen didn't need that much aside from what should really be redone, the geomantic web. Since they've confirmed in a recent stream that they're not doing any updates for the geomantic web I've honestly lost most if not all interest in the Lizardmen update.

>>715882160
>the combat has always been shit
But that was my point all along? You could've just, you know, read what I posted, and actually attempt to understand the words that were written. Instead you decided you'd like to slurp cock like a retard.

i need to finish my kharadron pile of shame because new shit's coming soon but i've got to do 2 frigates and i find that prospect quite intimidating

>>715881596
Im starting a new faction called Chill Chaos. We accept the Primordial Truth, but we simply choose not to do those things. Who's with me?

>>715882261
not only is the combat shit, as it always was, the ie campaign is fucked as is the 'ai'
it all feels like placeholders because it is a wip, and the only saving grace is mods, which they constantly fuck with
game is unplayable as is

>>715882343
I hope it's usual retarded twitch hosts not knowing wtf they're talking about and there aren't any plans to add priests to the faction who's identity is based on atheism.
That being said, KO is out for this edition, so no warries there

>>715882738
all i know about priests in KO is that one runesmith in the drekki flynt books, but he's dispossessed and not a kharadron

>>715847138
There might not be another pathfinder from owlcat. Pathfinder 2nd edition is trash and I bet Paizo is forcing anyone who wants to use the IP to use it.

>>715883043
Pretty sure Drekki has an ogre in his crew, but i wouldn't want that to be the standard for generic Kharadron

>>715883220
>>715882920

>>715883220
he does and he's his first mate, pretty enjoyable character in the first book but i haven't read the second
here's a conversion of some of the crew

>>715843859

>>715883502
I'm sure that is how some primitive planets first start venerating the chaos gods. And then it all falls apart.

>>715883750
That's Rotigus' schtick, IIRC he poses as some kind of rain god to communities with droughts/water problems, and when they invoke him enough he brings the rain, but it's Nurgle rain so probably piss, shit, cum and space aids. I think he did it to the Tau once.

>>715883750
Well Slaanesh was born from the collective rape and torture energy of the Eldar so there was not much hope for anything else with him/her.

>>715837419
Infinite knowledge is not enough for you?

>>715839730
The background is photoshopped, they are not this creatively bankrupt, right?

>>715884820
Are you actually retarded?

>>715881301

>>715835437 (OP)
Chaos sucks

>>715883972
>Well Slaanesh was born from the collective rape and torture energy of the Eldar
At least that was a big happening that defines their race an fits the flavor.
The Tyranids came here because during the Horus Heresy, 1 guy turned 1 light on and off.

>>715881519
NL quit by bombing their own home planet.
Only known legion whose conduct big E has a problem with is WB because they don’t kill enough

>>715835437 (OP)
>Chaos Chads
More like Chaos Chuds, you can't get anymore chuddier than Chaos.

>>715885067
The Imperium was fine with the torture aslong as money kept flowing, it was only after the adamantium deposit was blown up that the spikes and skin became "too much".
>>715885385
Didn't the Word Bearers leave super loyal planets because their first recourse wasn't nuking them? I understand the Emperor was on a timeline but seriously he should have just let the Word Bearers keep going.

>>715885385
>>715885560
The NL were on track to get censured even before they turned renegade when Konrad nuked his own world.
And the Emperor HATED religion, in part because he was under the mistaken impression any religious belief powers to gods of chaos, and only unbelief could starve them. So the WB doing what they did, while also being literally the slowest motherfuckers in the galaxy while doing it, instantly shot up his shitlist to the number 1 spot. More importantly, the WBs were just as nuke happy as every other legion but the smurfs, the issue is they took way to long to rebuild what they nuked. Meanwhile legions like the smurfs often found less destructive ways to integrate planets and were better at rebuilding and incorporating them into the Imperium.

>>715886127
The Emperor gave zero fucks about what the Word Bearers were doing in terms of religion.
If he cared, he would have stopped them much earlier than he did.
All he cared about was how slow Lorgar was going and he had Gorillaman blow up Monarchia to make a point to both Primarchs that they should focus on conquest and not on building up planets/their own mini empires.

>>715886325
>If he cared, he would have stopped them much earlier than he did.
He told Lorgar multiple times to stop doing that shit before Monarchia. In fact, before the retcon from The First Heretic, all the Emperor did was visit Lorgar, hauled his ass over to his own flagship and privately chastised him there. Then ADB started using Emps as a stand-in for his own dad and it all went downhill from there.

>>715886127
>The NL were on track to get censured
That was mainly for Curze beating the shit out of Dorn chewing him out. Honestly one of the few based thing he did.

Lorgar was right about everything and did nothing wrong

>>715837419


1) you are looking for arcane knowledge and dont know tzeentch is going to bamboozle you (most tzeentch cultists)
2) you are stupid enough to think you can bamboozle tzeentch (most chaos sorcerers)
3) you were bamboozled into worshiping tzeentch (Magnus The Red)

>>715857012
There is always a retard that thinks unironically that gameplay mechanics in a game=cannon, that it should be exactly as the fucking lore, god you are retarded.

>>715884953
answer the question fucking retard, don't answer me with another question

>>715888479
Yes the background is edited come the fuck on anon

>>715887029
Dorn unironically had it coming

I've DMed enough Warhammer to know that players LOVE the table

>>715865910
>Nurgle has the weirdest reasoning.
Yeah, but here's the issue. You don't worship Nurgle because you want (some do but that's are), you worship him because he forces you, like the ugly fat NTR bastard he is

>>715889619
Nurgle offers immortality. Plain and simple. I don't know why you people don't seem to understand that.

>>715889774
Seen a nurglite is more than enough to want to get away as far as galactically possible. But as I said, if he has an interests on you, he won't take a no for an answer. Most nurglites don't decide.

>>715890038
>if he has an interests on you, he won't take a no for an answer
None of the chaos gods do, retard. They always want their whims satisfied.

>>715889774
>Nurgle offers immortality
Every god does

>>715890248
Nurgle is the one that forces unwillingly people the most retard. That's his gimmick. Hell, Mortarion and his legion literally fell like that.
Slaneesh? Everyone that worships him does it very willingly, like the EC did it back then.
Tzeentch? Either willingly or without knowing.
Khorne? Well, it's 50/50. Some poeple do it unwillingly but they rage so hard they fall, and others do it willingly because they want strenght/revenge/power/whatever

>>715890334
Not really. The chaos gods chomp down the souls of their own followers after they die. Nurgle offers true immortality.

>>715890727
>conveniently avoids talking about magnus and how tzeentch forced his hand.
Really nigger? You can find several instances where the chaos gods do stuff like that. Claiming that Nurgle is more forceful than the others is a pointless and hollow argument.

>>715891028
My point is that Nurgle is the one that does it the most by big margin. Not that the others never do it.

which of the 4 chaos gods' forces would be the most terrifying to face as a regular human?

>>715857635
Several

>>715890825
>The chaos gods chomp down the souls of their own followers after they die

Bullshit.
Khorne will let you fight in his halls forever, Slaanesh will get you to his pleasure palace, Tzeentch lets you do whatever in his mirror labyrinth like Nurgle will place your soul in his garden.

Even Big E just moves his followers souls into his own personal Warp realm, fundamentally being yet another God of the Warp. They all work the same, you only get to choose the flavour.

>>715890825
Khorne can just wave his fingers and say "you can't die, unless your skull get separated from your body, then i get to claim it" resulting in a """mortal""" than lives for 1000 years and is immune to all damage except 1 specific cut.

That's not even going into te fact every god can offer demonhood

>>715866808
If I wrote it so that the only way to die is if the Emperor, all 4 chaos Gods, Gork, Mork, and the Ancient ones teamed up to kill me via a painless and graceful death, would that guarantee immortality?

>>715890248
>>715891028
The other gods lay traps.
Nurgle gets everyone who contracts his rot, among other things, by default AND lays traps.
Not much of a contest.

>>715840113
I really hope that he's around when Cawl activates a pylon and he suddenly feels all of the plagues without nurgle's protection
fuck, I hate chaos

>>715837419
you wouldn't get it.

>>715892572
>>715866808
That sounds like a horrendous case of being careful what you wish for just begging to happen.
Chaos spawn, victims of rot flies' previous killers, Commoragh tourists etc are all still alive, just off the top of my head.

>>715892572
You're gonna get jumped by a pack of orcs with silly nicknames

>>715837650
Id pick Tzeench just cause the payoff is huge.
>But you'll turn into a mooo ster
Ok but what if you dont.

>>715893021
Dude i would NOT want to meet an orc with the nickname "The Emperor".

>>715893186
Even then, you're likely to have some kind of mental instability. Like one of Tzeentch's top guy the Changeling can't remember his own face cause of his powers.

>>715893369
I find it funny that he spend several decades pretanding to be Sigmar's top architect, living in with his family and doing his day to day job, but making sure urban planning of CoS is filled with constant annoyances, to minor to be called out, but big enought to make lives of millions worse

>>715839730
Not the biggest fan of this blocky, angular aesthetic a lot of new Warhammer models have.
Third Party Chaos Dwarves, and the OGs shit all over these new ones in character.

Id rather join any chaos god than be conscripted and sent to some gay planet to die miserably.

>>715894838
>Id rather join any chaos god than join nurgle

>>715858641
Of course he was right. He is papa smurf.

>>715894838
>Becomes a lowly cultist and is sent to some gay planet to die miserably.

>>715837419
Some men just want to gamba

>>715895528
In all fairness, if you don't die miserably you will get a bunch of cool mutations and get promoted to Chaos Champion.
The Empire will at most tack a useless medal to your uniform and send you right back to die miserably in the next campaign.

>>715893691
>filled with constant annoyances, to minor to be called out
Like what?

>>715895956
Who is this Pino imposter?

>>715895956
>traffic isn't distributed properly and it's crowded making (you) late
>streets are too narrow or don't turn when they should making it hard to get where you want to be
>important places are awkwardly placed around with needless distance betwene them
>mass produced building instructions ignoring topography of specific cities (we don't know if that one was Changling, but we know it was a mass issue, so probably)
I asusme evey urban planning idiocy made it's way somewhere.

All of this is genrally glossed over, since his biggest sin was placing a factory city in the middle of a forest causing an ongoing dipolmatic crisis with the ents