>"Doom 3 killed the series"
>sold more than any id game up to that point
What are some other YouTuber myths?

>>715854998 (OP)
I've never heard this, why do you watch retards on youtube?

Can someone post the "chad bad game" image? I don't have it saved and it's perfect for this thread

It's crazy how inferior HL2 is compared to HL1 but it still btfo Doom 3 in every way.

>>715855327
HL2 is a huge improvement on HL1

>>715854998 (OP)
>Doom 3 sold great
>It took Zenimax buying them and Id's president and John Carmack quitting to actually make another Doom game that wasn't a rerelease or rehash

>>715855918
Guns are shit in HL2 except gravity gun. Enemies are bullet sponges on high difficulty.

>Dark Souls 2 is bad

>Tomb Raider Angel of Darkness killed the series
It sold 2.5 million copies in 2003, almost double what Chronicles pulled. Sure Legend BTFO'd that number right after but still actually sold more than Anniversary which pushed 1.3 million copies.

I don't watch YouTube to get my opinions.

>>715854998 (OP)
>>715855192

>>715856268
>ummm a lot of things were sacrificed to make this incredible game, do you feel stupid now?
What?

>>715856268
Doom died when Carmack quit. Doom 3 was the last real Doom game.

>>715856306
But enough about HL1

>>715854998 (OP)
I think about playing this every once in a while, but I'm not sure how to go about it.
Should I use the mod that allows you to have the flashlight out at all times? Does playing it that way really "ruin" it?

>>715857082
Thanks anon!

>>715857082
>error: duplicate file exists
Made me proud, Anon.

>>715855918
HL2 has worse weapons, worse AI and drags out setpieces and gimmicks for way too long for it's own good.

>>715856306
And the enemies in HL1 are bullet sponges on every difficulty. Mid-game enemies take more than a full magazine to go down even on easy.

>>715857510
Nigga missin every shot blames the guns lmao

>>715857510
Quit trying to pellet the fuckers to death with the mp5 from across the map and dont use the hivehand except on the crabs.

>>715854998 (OP)
There's occasionally a person who claims Assassin's Creed Shadows didn't flop because Ubisoft only sold 25% of itself. I mean, that's not a total sale, but good luck living at all without 1/4th of your body.

>>715854998 (OP)
Doom 3 was always the best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMd1ZlTz6e8

>>715857494
Half Life 2 VR blows Half Life 1 out the water

>Not only had better gameplay than Doom 3, but also arguably had more advanced graphics

>>715857946
It's kinda crazy a movie tie in game was this good. Honestly can't remember another time it happened outside of Goldeneye

>>715854998 (OP)
>sales = quality
clash of kings confirmed for best game in the world

>>715857719
>VR

>>715855918
nah bruh, it's only accomplishment is being better than doom 3
>>715854998 (OP)
>What are some other YouTuber myths
Idk but doom 3 was garbage and I dropped it early on

>>715854998 (OP)
I just finished Doom 3 for the first time a few hours ago and it was alright. Don't know why it 'killed the series' but I also didn't think it was crazy revolutionary.

>>715854998 (OP)

>>715858201
There was this brief moment in time where a movie game could in fact be good, great even. Spider-man 2 (the one without blackie in it) Battle for Middle Earth 1/2, The Lord of the Rings action games, those 2 Riddick games. It was strange that it happened, but it did.

>>715862160
those games aren't good and playing them today feels like shit.

>ign gave it a bad review because the writer got filtered by the flashlight and scary darkness
not the last time ign gave a bad review to a GOAT horror game because they are casual babies.
They also said similar stuff about Alien: Isolation another GOAT horror experience.
Fuck ign seriously

>>715862729
wow IGN sounds based!

>>715854998 (OP)
>sold more
videogame adoption just got way bigger, especially the 6th and 7th gen just look at the sales numbers of hit games in the 90's compared to today

>>715854998 (OP)
People of /v/, if my studio approached id Software to make a Doom 3 sequel, what would you want in that sequel? It's always been a dream of mine to do so, but I haven't had a good pitch yet.

I know Doom 3 was divisive for some because of its slower, more atmospheric pace compared to the classic Doom style, but it still holds a special place in my heart. The horror elements, the atmosphere, and that heavy, chunky feel of combat still feels unique in the Doom franchise.

If you were in my shoes, what would you push for in a follow-up? More action? More horror? A deeper story? More technical advancements with the engine? Would you keep the darker tone or lean back into the fast-paced, arena-style gameplay?

Drop your ideas and wild pitches. I’ve been toying around with concepts, but I want to hear what /v/ thinks is necessary for a Doom 3 sequel to be worthy of the franchise. This could be our chance to make it happen!

Also, keep it real no “make it like Doom 2016” responses. I know the industry has moved on, but I want something that stays true to Doom 3’s vibe while moving forward.

Looking forward to your thoughts.

>>715857946
>DOOM 3
>Half-Life 2
>Riddick
>FEAR
>Far Cry
mid-2000s had so many kino FPS games that pushed the envelope for graphics, physics and AI

>>715862160
It's more a case that 6th gen/ early 7th gen was when movie/ TV tie in games were absolutely everywhere so you were bound to get a few good ones in there eventually

>>715863407
Just remake Quake 1, keep the gothic aesthetic, and make the protag a bimbo.

>>715854998 (OP)
>it sold therefor it's good
retard alert

>>715854998 (OP)
>>"Doom 3 killed the series"
Reddit opinion

i saw this clip on instagram of Tarkov with Doom 2016 enemies.
It looked like the of Doom 4 concept and a lot like Stalker with Doom enemies.

I tried searching for this mod but couldnt find it.

Rage 2 > nudooms

>>715854998 (OP)
And that's why reception was negative and they had to reboot it to be closer to the original.

Doom has never been particularly good.

ZoomZooms won't know this but when Doom3 came out it was pushing the limits of grafics and you actually had to get an expensive monster PC to run it with all the settings maxxed out, that was a big selling point back then and basically it was the "Crysis" of it's time. They had tech demos showing off the badass looking monsters and creepy shadow effects that gamers had scarcely ever seen before in an FPS. It definitely suffered from the "Crysis effect" (people assuming that because it had outstanding graphics it had to be a very boring game in terms of other factors like story and gameplay) but no it was in fact really good. Also was something of a sp00ky game since it incorporated horror elements succesfully I still to this day remember the weapons locker with "666" on the code lock, fuck that shit

>>715857946
It's incredible how good this game came out to be
This and King Kong are the best movie tie ins ever
>>715863927
>>DOOM 3
>>Half-Life 2
Trash

>>715865279
>Rage 2

You mean the game so forgettable even the company that made it forgot it existed?

>>715865821
secret kino

>>715865279
Rage 2 would have been so good if it kept the og Rage aesthetic.
Fun game though.

>>715854998 (OP)
the thumbnail looked like the incredible hulk kek

>>715862729
Doom isn't a horror game though.

>>715867736
bait use to mean something

>>715867736
I got some horror vibes from Doom 3. The player character feels more human than in the previous games, you feel more fragile, I think especially it comes from the flashlight being it's own separate thing, unlike in say Half Life where the flashlight is integrated in your suit and can be used independantly of whatever is in your hands.

>>715867736
>Doom isn't a horror game though.

>>715868338
>Gore = Horror
Bro by that logic the Mortal Kombat series would be a "Horror" game according to you. Doesn't really check out.

>>715865279
Rage 2 was great even though the DLC was so fucked up that I had to keep restarting my PC to make it appear in game.

According to v/ doom as a series was never meant to have horror elements - it was always an adrenaline fuelled rip-and-tear adventure. Naturally this means that what people like carmack and romero have said across the years is wrong, masters of doom is wrong and the doom bible is also wrong.

>>715865279
The bits id software worked on are good. The bits avalanche did mostly suck outside of the skyboxes.

>>715868748
>According to v/
according to 1 (one) redditor retard in particular

>>715868812
Well they must spread their net wide as they also turn up on /vr/ whenever doom 3 is discussed.

>>715868851
>>715868748
I like how I debated with you once on /vr/ in that one Doom-thread and now in this thread you think that my opinion is literally the opinion of the whole of the /v/ board, that's pretty crazy.

Doom 3 is shi--
>Doom 3 is open-source so I can just use a source port for perfect compatibility with the latest OS version instead of hoping Bethesda remasters it every couple of console generations
Doom 3 is based

>>715870536
le rip and tear until it is done xD

>>715870872
Very funny however that they keep porting Doom 1 and 2 which are even more known for not needing this treatment. Probably couldn't use existing source ports due to license restrictions though.
Imagine how many games would still be abandonware if the DOSBox license didn't allow commercial use.

>>715868748
I'm probably full of shit but I feel like the perception of classic Doom as more power fantasy than horror is largely due to people becoming too good at it, both because people never stopped playing it for 30 years and also because the gameplay is like a cut-down version of what is second-nature to modern gamers as soon as you bind movement to WASD.
It's scary if you're 7 and are so inexperienced with first-person shooters that you don't even think of using the keyboard and mouse simultaneously and you're playing a copy of a friend's shareware floppy while mom isn't looking because she said the game is evil.

>>715854998 (OP)
>muh doom 3
i hate millennial manchildren so much

>>715871525
>due to people becoming too good at it
That is a core reason. You see the same sort of thing with resident evil games, though 4 is perhaps the best example where "it was never scary" because said people don't remember their first time experience any more but the 27th playthrough where they are blitzing the game.

>>715871876
Based zoomer.

>>715863407
Lean in heavily on the horror. Make it play a lot like System Shock 2, which was Doom 3's strongest influence. Include a mini map and make the level design more labyrinthian like traditional Doom and System Shock 2.

>>715854998 (OP)
Back then doing something different/new was bad
Seriously, anytime an old game has a bad reputation it's either because it wasn't a rehash or because it wasn't better than the previous entry

>>715871876
>i hate good taste so much
Go swallow shit you faggot

>>715872335
You sure you are talking about 2004 and not 2024?

>>715872335
Only exception was Half Life 2. It's the only game that has "best game ever created" as a tagline on its box art.

>>715854998 (OP)
I don't mind Doom 3 but hopefully you should have enough IQ to understand a game's sale numbers and a game's impact on the brand are not the same thing. Doom 3 sold like crazy primarily because it was a sequel to Doom 1 and Doom 2, just like Dragon Age Inquisition sold like crazy because it was a sequel to the previous 2 Dragon Age games, just like Mass Effect 3 sold like crazy by being a sequel to two famous Mass Effect games.

Games like Doom are in the position to capitalize on the hype of previous games of a series which gives them a lot of attention, but what they do with that attention matters. Dragon Age Inquisition sold an incredible number of copies but it also completely killed the hype for the series and made everyone feel fatigued by it, like it's not going in a direction that'll produce fun. Doom 3, despite being a much better than game DA:I, did something similar to Doom.

>>715868441
yes? why do you think it has horror cameos.

>>715872803
We get a shitload of remakes, even for games that don't need them

>>715872896
HL2 was also technically just the second game. Those usually get a pass.
Especially with a game like HL2 which blew everyone's mind with its PHYSICS

>>715855918
Both HL2 and HL1 have weird hit reg and hitboxes. It's strange compared to Q1, Q2 and Unreal. It's fucked up that people played CS for money despite the broken hitboxes

>>715873186
CS hitbox was a total abomination

>>715873186
ironically the rng bs of CS taps into idiots gambling brains

>>715865279
Rage 2 is boderlands for people who don't like boderlands. Vehicles are better than in boderlands, I'll give them that. But Nu-doom, I mean, eternal and DA are better than Rage 2. the game has a fucking softlock that prevents you from finishing the game

>>715871876
I played Doom 3 on a gforce2 MX. Can you even comprehend the sheer magnitude of that experience? Being able to launch and play a game like that on a 32mb GPU? Of course not, you useless faggot. All you play is slop that would not even work on a computer that doesn't have the latest goyvidia windows 11 cocksucker certified cpu.

>>715873359
the best thing about Rage 2 is the combat. Only game to make me feel like some Judge Dredd character or similar action hero.
Very satisfying to raid one of the bandit hideouts and just go bananas.

It's really sad Rage 2 was made from the concept art of the original expanded universe but then literally Anita Sarkessian ruined it.

Doom 3 rocks and I won't entertain shitters who disagree.

>>715873513
As a Doom 3 fanboy, i am in awe.

>>715873513
Anyone who hates Doom 3 just sucks at games, full stop.

>>715855918
Nah, HL1 is better

>>715873513
>>715873748
i think it was a great game. it was just different from the doom games before it and the doom games after it. plus, a lot of people never played the later version that makes the flashlight available with guns, and it could be frustrating without that.

>>715873748
The game is not for cowards, as per the little keyboard reference sheet.

>sci-fi horror

>>715874069
The other side for completion's sake.

>>715874069
I wonder if the ign reviewer read this and got offended

I don't recall this slip in the mac box. I think i may still have it under my bed.

>>715874146
Diablo font

>>715874069
my dad and i both followed those instructions when i was in like 3rd grade and it was really scary for me. i was like 7 or 8. i think i played it more on my dad's computer than he did, and i felt so cool and grown-up when i finally beat it after several months of terror every saturday morning when my dad didn't need his computer.

>>715854998 (OP)
>Doom 3 killed the series
who ever said this?
the series went silent because they wanted to do an original IP, there were a few in development before they settled on RAGE
the series wasn't even dead for longer than 4 years, Doom 4 was announced in 2008

The real youtuber myth is that people hated Doom 3. That's a perspective from the brutal doom le rip and tear fans
Go check doomworld in 2004, people weren't particularly upset about it. Everyone knew it was going to be survival horror themed. The only thing I noticed was people hated the cliffhanger ending

>>715857946
>more advanced graphics
such as?
it looked like the same blocky brush based levels with stencil shadows, but with bigger, uglier, environments

>>715867736
sure that's why 70% of the music is suspenseful orchestral and electronic music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxED1xXR58I

I wouldn't argue doom 2 is horror, but the original definitely was, even if that was mostly because of the 'doom bible' concept of it as Aliens with demons

>>715859780
It's a decent game in and of itself. It's just not really Doom.

Bet you didn't know this.

>>715855918
Retard. 2 is a tech demo with story ripped right out of orwells1984. Half life 1 revolutionized how fps games played

>>715867736
I still get occasionally spooked, especially with invisible pinkies in a dark room>>715875214
>Half life 1 revolutionized how fps games played
What a stupid fucking take

>le contrarian thread
we did it reddit!

edit: thanks for the gold kind stranger

>>715875567
Redditors like you hate Doom 3 tho

>>715856395
True the worst dark souls game yet still a 9/10 it's a great video game

>>715875214
worse than that it's basically Dr Who and V.

>>715875779
lmao Doom 3 creators NEVER played 1 and 2.

>>715875996
That is why doom 3 was hated by everyone, flopped and killed the franchise for a decade. People with real taste know how bad it is.

>>715876223
lmao. You don't even need the flashlight. Theres one part at the beginning where maybe its needed.

>>715875779
>>715876223
>ITS TOO DARK
>ITS SLOW
>I GOT LOST
Yeah you faggots just suck at games.

>>715876305
>t. BFG player

>>715876223
Doom 3 was a huge financial success. Doom 4 was planned to be released in 2008.

>>715876330
no u

>>715876350
even in the og you don't need it. Theres one tutorial stairwell in total darkness. You can even get through that without using it, The rest of the game you can see well enough with the muzzle flash of the gun and the lighting

t. only own the og

>>715876392
I agree with this - a doom game without a super shotgun just isn't a fucking doom game.

honestly doom 3 was one of the LAST games i played that actually impressed me. It came out when i was pretty young and i got filtered just being scared playing it. but it was amazing seeing how good everything looked compared to the dooms and quakes which came before it. it really felt like the future. it also had basically the best ambience of any game i had ever played and felt like i was in THAT world when i played it. was really amazing. i think they could have given it a few more months of dev time to improve the pacing in certain areas but its a good game. I always enjoy it more when i pretend that you arent doom guy, but a normal marine. so of course its completely different. (apparently this is a different universe) but i just head canon it the way i feel like because its a spin off game and its more fun this way to LARP that you are a normal guy surviving the shit that normal doom guy can breeze through.

>>715876516
Doom 3 has the most underrated soundtrack out of any game. Extremely chilling.

I will buy Doom 3 when it next goes on sale

>>715868748
It's funny how zoomies claim Doom was always meant to be played how nudoom plays, but nudoom plays more like quake.

>>715876392
>Doom was an industry leader
By the time Doom 3 came out, Doom hasn't been relevant in the mainstream for almost a decade. Stans be tripping as always.

>>715876472
So Doom 1 is not a Doom game. Got it.

>>715876858
i think they overcorrected with nu doom because of people screaming about how doom 3 was too slow and methodical. i honestly never found nu doom fun. i played a few levels of the first one and shut it off. i really do not like the gameplay loop of having to execute enemies to regen health its just feels to arcadey doesnt feel like a mechanic which should be in DOOM. DOOM 1 would have been retarded if enemies started flashing and you had to punch them in order to get your health back.

>>715877380
Personally, I don't like the level design. It all feels artificial
corridor->battle arena->corridor->battle arena
Why not make maps like jn the old games where you fight everywhere?

>bad game good

>game le bad
>high reviews and outsold most 2020s nugames in a much smaller market
Bethesda Doom is gay btw

>>715878051
Yeah it sucks, the whole game is built around this and it really feels gamey and unimmersive, in Doom 3 the environment feels like an actual place, unlike 2016.

>>715881563
>high reviews and outsold most 2020s nugames in a much smaller market

>>715882017
The information is publicly available and easy to find. Bethesda Dooom is gay.

>>715854998 (OP)
>it sold a bunch, so that means it didn't kill Doom
>meanwhile, 4 abortions that don't resemble Doom at all have been sold with that name
>but it's alive
BFG version is better, but still shitty.
>tumblr pages nobody reads

>>715881781
nta but that was what made doom 3 so memorable. i liked that they could attack in any random spot. thematically it makes sense.

>>715854998 (OP)
>myths
>3 release: 2004
>next game release: 2016
>12 years without any doom game
What's the matter subhuman, can't figure out 2 + 2?

Doom 3 is the best Doom

>>715854998 (OP)
It's hilarious when people look at nuDoom as say "this isn't Doom" like nigga you couldn't even aim in the original games you wanna go back to that?

I hope the dhewm 3 guy figures out > 60fps.

>>715854998 (OP)
>>"Doom 3 killed the series"
It put things in motion that would finally kill id as it was known
https://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/finger.pl?id=1&time=20000601040557

>>715882838
There's no going back because people who make games now don't know how to make games like Doom. But Doom 1/2/TNT/Plutonia are incredibly good, and I guarantee you don't have a 1cc even on I'm Too Young to Die.

>>715883009
If you can't pistol start plutonia on nightmare mode you DO NOT have the right to talk about doom in any capacity. Shitters will not be tolerated.

>>715856268
Carmack is autistic so he probably didn't want people yelling at him for ruining Doom.

>>715874496
Everyone made fun of the flashlight.

>>715857719
You are /v/‘s dumbest gay retard

>>715855918
Correct.