Thread 715870427

What made vermintide better than darktide, in retrospect?

>>715870427 (OP)
better setting
better characters
more variety in locations for maps
gameplay is melee focused
better voice acting

>>715870492
This covers it
/thread

>>715870492
>gameplay is melee focused
And this is good because? Also darktide forces you to melee anyway since ammo is still rare

Because Darktide pretends it has ranged as a viable option while all the weapons you need for the hardest difficulties are melee weapons and ranged is for specials, exactly like Vermintide but now dozens of little shits shoot at you from far away making you have to chase them down pretty frequently.
Also still no other enemy factions.
Also the classes are forgettable.
Toughness system is fine though.

>>715870642
cleaving rats feels gud

>>715870427 (OP)
Not having a character creator and having maps that aren't boring corridors

Warhammer Fantasy is the perfect setting for imaginative gameplay and grand adventures.
Warhammer 40k is the perfect setting for linear narrow samey storytelling about the Imperium of Man.

>>715870427 (OP)
Maps, characters and enemies.

>Both settings have ORKs predominantly fucking everything up
>neither games have them
yeah well fuck you too game workshop retards

SOUTHLANDER

>>715870642
Darktide feels too easy. You can just mindlessly tard cleave 90% of the time. Feels like vermintide requires a bit more finesse as I still have a hard time on cata while on darktide I got my ASS title first attempt.

Because you're a newfag that played it after 7 years of dripfeed update.
VT2 was abandonned pure dogshit for years after release. Faggot.

>>715870427 (OP)
darktide is just grey corridors and boring flat arenas
vermintide has actual varied locations

>>715870427 (OP)
>vermintide
>fight hoards of rats and the occasional elite
>groups of elites are extremely dangerous and have to be avoided

>darktide
>fight hoards of elites
>dealing with groups of elites is the minimum bar for a viable build

They just went too hard. Its a fun as fuck game, but holy shit, its nothing but elites. To the point where the word elite literally lost all meaning. Why should I be afraid of a crusher when the AI director throws dozens at me at a time.
And because of their slow AF response time, they don't patch the game in time, which just means most of the classes/weapons fall behind the curve. So you really only have the choice between 2-3 weapons for each class.

>>715873408
Orks aren't allowed to be primary antagonists unfortunately, they can be brainless filler but ultimately the final objective of every mission has to be against a real enemy (chaos)

Map variety. God sakes you don't need to make every map in a hive city be a rockcrete scaffolding hell.

I hate those fucking arbiter dogs
>line up headshot
>enemy is suddenly flat on the ground
>whiff shot/stab/even grenade
Can't wait for the nerf

>>715874337
Its stupid, because you can easily have a Nob, a big Boss or a Warboss (maybe a bit much). And there are plenty of enemies you could be using, as the ork roster is just as fleshed out as the chaos one, might even have more variety with how easy you can add extra bits on orks.

>>715873115
I want a action/rpg (would say soulslike but people tend to go apeshit over that term) set in Mordheim so bad

>>715874505
>can't wait for nerf
Even if nerfed, why would I not run a automatic CC machine, even if it deals 0 dmg?

>>715870492
>better setting
>better characters
those are the two biggest sticklers for me, there's nary a single memorable line between the rejects and even if there was it wouldn't matter because we canonically never see the faces of our teammates ever again as we're sent off with a new squad each mission
and the story is a jumbled mess of plot-points, fatshit is trying to string something cohesive together but most of it is done through hidden dialogue and web only lore blogs, you get very little story progression from running the main missions
not to mention what little variety there is visually between maps so you never feel like you're going anywhere
all the small shit that doesn't directly affect the gameplay is what keeps people engaged and they dropped the ball hard on that front with Darktide

>>715870427 (OP)
Darktide is more fun to play.

>>715874642
At least the people who play it because it's OP would stop

Nailing a charging berserker in the face with the grenade-box as an ogryn is one of lives simple pleasures

>>715872810
Fucking rats feels even better.

>>715870427 (OP)
Because Fantasy > 40k

>>715870492
this
>characters have an elf, a dwarf, a wizard, a wh, and a merc
>they have varied banter about their cultures and shitting on each others races, even against their rats, norscan, and beastmen enemies
>meanwhile darktide all the dudes are empire mooks fighting nurglefaggots and all they talk about is le heresy, chaos bad and muh emperor

And every fucking map has the same fucking look and feel holy shit, it's like an entire game of tomb/sewer levels of metal corridors, railings and grates bullshit but there's a skull, scrolls or candles here and there so it's 40k. At least ratclick has snow levels, swamp levels, forests, towns, dwarven ruins, elven ruins etc.

>>715870642
Darktide couldn't commit to either gunplay or swordplay

>>715870492
>GW has Blackstone Fortress
>Board Game that has a defined and varied cast right out of the box
>Good setting as well, as BSFs are huge and filled with all sorts of locales and enemies
>They instead tell Fatshark to make a game about Imperial Guard rejects fighting poxwalkers and that one Blooded kill team
The fucking AoS Cursed City set up would be better than the stupid shit in Darktide.

THE JOKE IS BLACKED!
GET IT?!
THE JOKE IS BLACKED!!!

>>715870427 (OP)
Fantasy has characters and a setting that people can get invested in.
Fighting for even one city in Fantasy is a pretty big deal in terms of scope. In 40k you can lose entire planets and no one gives a fuck.
Everyone likes the Oobahsreik four (the elf doesn't matter) and cool rats more than literally who "rejects" with no personality making quips and shallow references while killing billions of nurgle zombies.
I'm sure they could have made 40k interesting with good writers, but they failed.

fuck fatshark

>>715877852
This is particular pissed me off. They could literally have just made Vermintide in 40k with Bardin (Squat), Sienna (Psyker Pyromancer), Gruber (Merc), Saltzpyre (Inquisitor), and Kerillian (Eldar Ranger) and people would have eaten it up.

>>715870427 (OP)
Fantasy is objectively superior to 40k and this is reflected in the games

>Fantasy is superior!
Then why did it die?

>>715878593
It didn't die, it was killed.

>>715874576
This. Personally I want Vampire Count enemies, like Ghorst zombies (terrifying, strong and fast)

>>715878152
There's plenty of interesting 40K lore locations they could've made into their setting for that specific that indeed do have character, but 40k's general environment is very grey, brass and dull colored so its very boring to slug through

>>715873408
The skaven are the best villains in fantasy
It’s kinda nice seeing the more specific parts of a chaos god get explored.

>>715878593
The armies you needed to play a "proper" where to big for the new casual players and didn't sell enough

>>715870427 (OP)
Actual characters.

>>715870427 (OP)
darktide feels off, because the narration and voice acting is off, the station narrators mostly
it's more of that stupid giddy shit, it's very jarring

Fantasy is just more memeable
It makes a difference

The Ubersreik Five (or four, doesn't matter) are incredible characters with an amazing dynamic that was an almost impossible feat to follow up, and they didn't even try and made generic CaC shit.

Not a big fan of fartshart not updating the vermintide lore diary anymore. Not a single new Lohner update in like a year.

>check Darktide after a while
>they added not weaves with demotions
>no gayos wastes just glorified last stand with buffs
>Judge Dredd but white woman
>reworked talent trees where anything that yields buff on elite kill is top tier while other stuff is garbage
>weapons are less RNG reliant but require lot of hours or resources to be properly utilized
amazing how little they added since launch

>>715870492
>gameplay is melee focused
So is Darktide gameplay, unless you're playing at baby tier difficulty. The only people who percieve Darktide as some kind of ranged focused game never played it for more than an hour.

>>715870427 (OP)
It took 5 years for Vermintide 2 become good, so right now vermintide is better, but we will see.

>>715874615
I've always wanted an elder scrolls that was set in the old world so fucking much.

>another thread of ratsissies screeching about the better game
it's fine bros, surely you will get another weapon pack in 2030 for 20 bucks L E L

>>715879212
Same, and one set in Glorantha would be my dream game

Fatshart were the chosen ones, they were supposed to retcon the End Times by having the Ubersreik Five jacked up on Chaos Wastes buffs kill Archaon so we could get new Fantasy games not in Age of Space Marines.

>>715878906
I don't know what they were thinking. The tone is completely off with high-ranking officers having light banter about brandy and card games over public comms and one-dimensional player characters repeating the only three lines they have in their growling anime voices every mission while chewing through hordes like threshers.
It's pretty much the polar opposite of what people would expect.

>>715879184
nta
why the fuck most of the weapons have these weird combos that were designed by alien

>>715878950
W40K universe is one big meme.
> The great undead psyker lord who controls all humanity.
> By the way, only certain types of psykers are evil, you need to kill them.
> Chaos is bad, friends are bad, kill them all.
> We are the 'good' guys for Humanity by the way.
> What you think psykers and chaos hordes can be reasoned with? YOU HERETIC! GO KILL THAT PERSON HE WENT AGAINST THE EMPEROR OF MAN!

>>715879410
>player characters repeating the only three lines they have
come on now anon, a vermintide fan has no business talking about darktide having repetitive dialogue lol

>>715879346
Don't worry anon, GW is incapable of utilizing the actually decent aspects of AoS properly and also doesn't give a fuck about game quality over just promoting overpriced plastic. At this point they've completely given up on making an AoS game, as we've now had two consecutive years of Skulls For The Skull Throne excluding AoS entirely.

>>715879224
Cope harder, dreg. While Darktide gaslights you into thinking “daily penance incentives” are content, we’re out here enjoying actual progression, dialogue that wasn’t AI-generated grunts, and maps that weren’t designed by a Unity intern in 3 hours. Maybe when Darktide hits its ten-thousandth patch, it’ll finally get something resembling a final act. Until then, keep worshipping your blessing modifiers like they’re the Emperor’s divine word.

>>715879525
First game had plenty of unique dialogue at least. You rarely get to hear this stuff in the second game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrO7RfCV388&list=PLlNbBIpshQQH9unJJfS8Olzv5Kb_h4XRW
Also the problem with Darktide is they advertised how they've recorded tens of thousands of voice lines to make sure there's enough to go around, and then you hear the same conversation five missions in a row.

>>715879508
I stand by what I said
You never see 40kfags just having stupid meme fun with their universe, or at least I haven't in a long-ass time

>>715879410
>player characters repeating the only three lines they have
a ratfag saying this is peak dunning krueger, vt2 is the poster child of repetitive dialogue
if i have to have
>kruber you're a credit to your regiment to your regiment
>we're all crackheads in the same cause sir
>same CAUSE? yes we're so alike
shit one more time i'm going to have an anyeurism

>>715879926
GW actively tries to wring that out of 40k, because they're terrified that memes with hurt their bottom line of big heroic space men in armor shooting aliens.
Everything mystical or whimsical is crushed out in favor of "CAPTAIN DICKPUNCHIUS OF THE ULTRAMARINES ARRIVED ON PLANET BACKWATERIA AND SLEW FORTY THOUSAND (See what we did there? Teehee) TYRANIDS ALONGSIDE HIS NEW PRIMARIS INTERVENERS, SAVING THE LOCAL POPULACE"

>>715879926
middlehammer and the DoW threads 16 years ago where lots of fun, now it's all supr srs GRIMDERP type shit with maybe a Trazyn or Cawl meme thrown in, I've only seen russians nowadays having fun with the setting
personally, I blame GW from moving away from Orks those guys are what makes the setting fun

>>715879926
>hehe, an old ranger trick

LMAO delusional ratfags coping because their ancient PCs cant run Darktide
>muh melee
melee is not only requirement, is the go to way to fucking fight on every difficulty above Heresy, guns are for specials
>muh setting
setting so good GW killed it
let's face it you faggots when people hear "Warhammer" they don't imagine your knights and witches generic bullshit they imagine a roidhead in power armor
>muh characters
the ultimate proof fantasytrannies are niggers a white man forges his own destiny, has his own character tailored to his liking a brownoid wants to follow because his "culture" doesn't know anything other than insectoid collectivism

>>715879926
It has to do with what games are popular
Vermintide 2 and Total War Warhammer are the most popular warhammer games atm meaning the most meme potential, 40k hasn't had a good game for over a decade
also fantasy knows how to be fucking hilarious and not take itself too seriously

>dwarf who likes drinking, singing and fighting
>stuck-up faggot elf who speaks in riddles
>farmboy soldier out of his depth and his officer
On its face it's the most generic shit possible, and everyone loves it.

>>715880310
>Vermintide 2 and Total War Warhammer are the most popular warhammer games atm
Total War, maybe. VT2 no way, you'd have to be cultist-tier deluded to think VT2 is the face of Warhammer gaming right now.

>>715870492
i like both but you hit the nail on the head
also it took them almost THREE YEARS to unfuck the mission terminal and it's still worse than VT2's
it's like they tried to rip off DRG's but failed to understand why that one is good

>>715880310
Space Marine 2 mogs Vermintide delusional ratfag

>>715878593
just because it's a superior setting doesn't mean it's a superior tabletop game

>>715880310
SM2 is WAY more popular and normalfag friendly, fantasy is legit just a funnier and more enjoyable setting

>>715880310
>GW has a chance to make a new AoS game and finally change some of the public perception of the setting
>They get a Park Sim dev team to make the equivalent of DoW if the factions were Marines, Genestealer Cultists, Thousands Sons, and Dark Eldar, and if nobody had vehicles or bases, and if every map was a bland flat desert
>It naturally fucking dies because why the fuck would anyone play that

>>715880523
>fantasy
>superior setting
roflmaolol
factions are so uninspired they have names like fucking Bretonnia and majority of races are just
>dude caricature of a historical culture lmao
might as well just use real world setting instead

>>715879926
>You never see 40kfags just having stupid meme fun with their universe
that's partially because GW keeps copyright striking 40K fan stuff
obviously the big one is TTS, that shit went on for over a decade until GW decided to try and monetize animations on their shitty, failed streaming platform and bruva had to either shut down or risk a lawsuit

>>715880614
that's what 40k is thougheverbeit

>>715878642
The entire setting was outsold by a single 40k model kit.

>>715880614
And that's all you need. Originality means nothing if no one cares about your gay shit.

>>715880614
>Krieg
>WW1 germans
what a twist!

>>715880647
>The emperor's TTS
that was fun while it lasted, fuck GW

GW settings in general are faggy as fuck I never met a GW nigger who wasn't a lanklet, manlet or a fat fuck

>>715870427 (OP)
Verminetide was built around melee combat, Darktide makes you think it's about shooting but you still end up using melee for half or more of the level.
This is why I personally disliked Darktide, just like GTFO, you lead me in with cool shooting in your trailers and then the actual game is melee SHIT.

>>715880614
m8 i like both but 40K is just fantasy in space
40k has a ton of good shit but the last 10ish years have been continuous fuckups of making everyone a superhero, retconning old lore, moving the plot forward (do not do this) and writing themselves into corner after corner

>>715880765
GW didn't force him to do anything daft redditor he pussied out himself

>>715880647
GW never sent them a cnd. They did it of their own volition out of fear and solidarity with other animators.

>>715880878
>nobody told them to get out of the way of the freight train, he pussied out himself

Whorehammeer Fantasy: D&D ripoff
Whorehammer 40kringe: Judge Dredd, Dune, Aliens ripoff

such exciting, creative settings

Old World Fantasy is a fun setting that can't be further ruined by GW since it was abandoned for Age of Shitmar

>>715880878
>>715880890
>dude, just risk your entire livelihood on the premise that the sue-happy company won't sue you
he made the right choice, they could have easily struck down every way he had of making money and GW doesn't give a fuck about community backlash

>>715880614
>40brown unironically trying to argue his colonized shithole is any good

>>715880614
Compared to the Space Marines with
>Caesar
>Vlad Tepes
>King Arthur
>KHAN
>Angel

>>715881091
all based seethe

>>715880427
as it turns out being "generic" doesn't matter if your characters and world have depth
I'd much rather listen to the normalfag farmboy from the midwest talk about how his house got swept away in a flood than some faggot dangerhair who never saw an hour of work in their life talk about their new totally original quirkchungus helluvaboss fanfic

I hate marines in 40k and chaos in Fantasy because the writers suck their cock too much

>>715881127
that's great but the point was "real world references bad"

>>715879346
In vermintide 2 catrinne draws a painting of valten and lohner comments on who the fuck he is. I believe they wanted, at least some of them, to return to the storm of chaos timeline, since it makes much more sense than the end times idiocy

>>715881239
references and fucking calling land Nippon or Norsca are a different thing at this point it's a miracle Empire isn't called Krautia

>>715880838
>40k has a ton of good shit but the last 10ish years have been continuous fuckups of making everyone a superhero, retconning old lore, moving the plot forward (do not do this) and writing themselves into corner after corner
This has to be the most /v/core secondary surface level take I've ever seen. Primarchs are far from being treated as superheroes. Hell, Roboute spends half of "Dark Imperium" questioning what the fuck he's even doing anymore. Name one instant of them writing themselves into a corner outside of Primaris Marines (the only shit decision they've made). I will defend Roboute coming back till the day I die because not only was it foreshadowed since 2nd edition, but it also has provided some of the best books to come out of 40k.
>>715879926
>You never see 40kfags just having stupid meme fun with their universe, or at least I haven't in a long-ass time
You can't be serious. It's like 40% of the online shit coming out of the 40k community.

>>715881208
>End Times was supposed to be decided by players
>Every single time Order won, GW moved the goalposts to make Chaos win

>>715881317
I'm still looking forward to the Lion-Guilliman meetup in 40k.

>>715880878
Didn't he receive a C&D from the Nottingham HQ?
In any case, TTS was fun for the first like 10 episodes, then it turned into a wacky parody of itself.

I fucking despise faggots who only know memelore
>kriegers fight with shovels xD
>overcorrecting retards claiming nooo actually comissars dont routinely brain guardsmen they are wholesome chimichungas (ignore the fucking execution rule)
>HEHE DID YA KNOW THAT HEHE GUYS WITH HOOVES AND A CASTE SYSTEM ARE FISH COMMUNISTS? XD
>Corvus being some sort of raven daemon
>Lorgar sitting afraid in a tower
>completely forced Ultramarine hate when duller dog shit like Imperial Fists exist

>>715881467
Same. I enjoyed both of their novels.

>>715878658
Fuck yes. I think most factions would work. Undead would be pretty fun, with a mix of zombie/skel chaff, human sized vampires, grave guard, wraiths, maybe some vargheists.

>>715870427 (OP)
because 40k sucks and fantasy was always the superior setting

also skaven are just a funnier enemy to fight

>>715880935
>>715881072
GW doesn't act on those statements. It's like Blizzard sending C&C orders to WoW Private Servers; it's done entirely to fulfill legal ownershop obligations that you're "taking action" against potential infringement. It literally wouldn't be worth GW's time or money to sue content creators unless those creators were actively depriving them of sales through their content (which would require those creators selling their own models in GW 's place).
Alfa hit a wall where TTS was getting too big and was about to hit the Fall Of Cadia arc which was a complete and utter shitstorm even before his own plotline for TTS would be involved. We were about to get probably a dozen more characters introduced which would all need their own work done and Alfa was already having issues with handling the cast just before the last episode went up.
Alfa saw an excuse to call it quits, and he took it.

>>715878658
Oddly enough they already have the set-up for that
In AoS.

>>715879508
You could apply the same simplification to fantasy my man.
The whole conflict in 40k comes from the straying from the original emperors plan. Where what you say is true, not because that is the point of the story, but because individuals are taking advantage of the fact that the imperium is spread thin, so they use its laws for their advantage.
>go kill those heretics
>why are they heretics? Well I am your superior so if you question me and the benefit I have from those people dying you are a heretic yourself.
>good guys
Nobody is a good guy. Again, just propaganda.

>>715881826
>Nobody is a good guy
Nobody except CWE

Nurgle is based

>>715881613
>unless those creators were actively depriving them of sales through their content
Except that's the problem alfa was expecting to run into. He makes 40k animations and GW was then launching an entire streaming service specifically to host those. They already poached the Astartes guy and took down his videos, he had every reason to believe they'd just send him a blanket C&D and if he didn't comply they could have gotten his youtube channel and patreon deleted. At that point he might get back 25-50% of his audience, nowhere near enough to survive on.
He's got a wife and kid to provide for. It wasn't worth the risk, especially when he could just pivot into something else.

>>715880521
SM2 sucks ass, original was better and even that was a mid game.

>>715882167
you say it because you cant run it jealous fagmancer

>>715881686
>Ghorst and zombies live on
Explain please. I love Ghorst and his zomboys, having him or someone like him carry the mantle would be kino

>>715882242
>5 melee weapons
>most boring version of bolters in any warhammer game ever
Lmao

>>715882543
>like 20 slightly different bolters
>all of them suck ass

>>715879279
Based

>>715882853
I dream of a MMO set during the second age, with war between the Empire of Wyrm Friends and The God Learners.
With expansions adding Elves and Dwarves, Orlanthi and Dara Happa and a final expansion featuring the siege of Zistorwal The Clanking City.

>>715882387
Not Ghorst himself really, just a board game GW put out which was a set of assorted characters going up against a Vamp Count and his assorted horrors.

Not enough kerillian porn. Not enough kerillian/kruber romance fanfics

>>715880271
>his "culture" doesn't know anything other than insectoid collectivism
can you make your darktide OC stop talking about sucking emperor cock or any of the same 10 or so buzzwords they always say in every 40k media ever (muh chaos, muh heresy, muh emprah, muh xenos)

>>715881192
Being generic is helpful even. You draw people in with stuff they can recognize and understand without a lot of exposition, and you have a simple template to build a deeper character on once you have everyone's attention.

>>715870427 (OP)
Keri

>>715881192
best writing is communicating the rawness of the human experience instead of checking off diversity boxes

>>715885142
>yes, have a good look. i'm sure you have nothing better to do.

>>715870427 (OP)
>>715870492
As this post says, the big one for me is the characters. Create-a-character was a huge mistake. It was obviously done to try to monetize an aspect of the game further but it failed. All of the lines are so generic and bad. It just feels like:
>GENERIC LINE
>GENERIC RESPONSE
Meanwhile in Vermintide because it was set characters they could easily have specific lines between the characters that made sense and felt like a conversation. Every time characters talk in Darktide it is like they're talking at or past one another with simple barks and response barks.

The xenophobia kills it. Im fantasy dwarves, elves and humans have an uneasy alliance with each other so it makes sense they would team up and show at least a little bit of compensation towards each other. 40k really doesn't do that. The only real humanoid race 40k humans put up with are orgrins and they are still barely in the setting. Eldar hate every race and vice-versa. There is very little actual comradery in 40k.

>>715870427 (OP)
>better writing
>better characters
>better gameplay mechanics
>no gunners
gee I wonder

>>715887595
Could still easily work if it was set characters working for a Rogue Trader or radical Inquisitor.
Not 40K's fault Fatshart took the most boring option imaginable. Well I guess not having ogryns would be the absolute worst, so it's the second most boring.

A lot of the weapons in Darktide feel really shitty still, like the power swords and shotguns

>>715883754
I realy fucking love Gorslav
>7+ feet tall monster dude just shows up one day
>doesn't speak
>starts burrying people alive in the city park to feed the plants
>nobody bothers to stop him
I hope they never ever explain what his deal was and just let him be a Silent Hill reject

>>715870492
darktide does have better music, though vermintide soundtracks are by no means bad

>>715887595
>uneasy alliance
dwarves and men have a really strong alliance that dates back to the founding of the empire. the empire has an amicable relationship with the elves of ulthuan.
it's the dwarves that have an issue with elves since the war of the beard, and particularly nobody likes the kind of elf kerillian is part of, aka the pillaging rapist hippy elves.

>>715889026
nta but I turn the music off in any videogame that I have to focus on mechanically. I have 1900 hours in Chivalry: Medieval Warfare and I have no idea what the music sounds like because I turned it off immediately. Same with Vermintide and Darktide.

>>715889257
skill issue

i wish they could've killed drachenfels himself, seems like every hero in a whf novel has to do it at least once, it's like a rite of passage.

>>715887595
The magic is shown in Total Warhammer 1 that when Chaos is gone for good, there'll be world war

>>715870427 (OP)
Focus on melee because of the setting with ranged attacks as a crutch/crowd control forces you to be more involved in your placement and fights while giving you a big adrenaline rush when you manage to ravage a horde in melee without getting hit.

>>715870726
>Also the classes are forgettable.
This is true. Classes in ratclick stand out and are colorful. Darktide is all a grey samey mess.

>40k vidya is bad because it takes itself way too seriously and xenos are either forgotten or treated like fodder until gayoss shows up
wasn't always like this you know

>>715887480
That's because it is, they're all strangers

>>715889581
Dawn of War was so good it carried 40k for years
Now all 40kids have is off-model Tau porn

>>715880614
thats why fantasy is great, who wouldnt want to destroy bretonnia?

>>715870427 (OP)
She rimmed millions

>>715874615
I wish the necromunda game wasn’t hot shit

>>715890642
The fps was decent, but how hard is it to make a x-com clone with all the gangs where you conquer territories in the underhive?

>>715870427 (OP)
>40k setting
>not playing space marines, SoB, Assassins, SoS, Custodes, or any other cool faction
>Not fighting orks, necrons, t'au, 'Nyds
>you play as some below guardsmen tier shmuck
>you fight nurgle zombie hive civvies
LAAAAAAAAAAAAME
I don't care what some faggot "oldhead" thinks
Imperium is cool
Space marines are cool
Guardsmen exist to get mowed down in the background

>>715892298
Custodes are too OP to play as them though

>>715870427 (OP)
I'd pick 4 faceless guys akin to Republic Commando+ogryn over whatever the fuck Fat Shart came up with

Do I need any DLCs to enjoy Vermintide 2?

>>715887595
40gay's le ebin racism ruins the setting.

>>715893857
No, but the class ones are fun and really cheap (like 3 dollarydoos)

>>715893857
yes, all the meta weapons are from DLCs

>>715887786
>radical Inquisitor as not-Olesya
>you could play as any flavor of imperial mook, assassin, some eldar, even ork
>nah let's just have imperium mooks only
gay as fuck

I just want to play as the eldar because I think shuriken catapults are cool.
likewise I also want to play as tau because I think railguns are cool

>>715894263
There will be at least ONE game where I can play as a Warp Spider before I die

>>715894315
You used to in eternal crusade, i think. Shame they pulled the plug on it years ago.

>>715870427 (OP)
I can tell you the names of the maps because they're individually designed for the experience as opposed to a bunch of chaotic parcels of samey bullshit with names like MINISTRATUM-XII-HABITATION-VI-WAYS COMPLEX

>>715881317
least GW shill post

>>715893001
>whatever the fuck Fat Shart came up with
Their character design process was built from the ground up to encourage MTX cosmetics. That's it

>>715893001
Tbh I was hoping that the main characters were those 4 nameless guardsmen. And from that trailer I thought the game was going to have a l4d1 atmosphere

>>715897112
Furthermore, many of the maps are actually another map but just run backwards with only couple unique rooms at start/end, so they feel very samey. For example Throneside maps, rusty desert maps and original hive maps.

>>715898356
while i do like vemrintide's maps for their ambience, on the other hand i dislike how they're all linear and can't be backtracked because of environmental obstacles, like jumping over a cliff. it's very frustrating, especially if you want to retrieve a tome or grim you forgot. that's not exactly the way to incentivize exploration.

>>715877852
>Cursed City
Cursed city is the boring humans vs vampires/werewofls (+ minions).
Wrath of the Everchosen is Chaos humans vs every undead you can imagine.

>>715893001
This was the first hiccup for me. I was really excited when I thought the game would be an against all odds adventure where four guardsmen just tried to survive an absolute nightmare. It isn't a real criticism, but it soured the appeal for me.

>>715870427 (OP)
both are dogshit because fatshart can't make good games to save their life
>>715889257
>nta but I turn the music off in any videogame
This is what an actual NPC looks like.

>>715898864
go back to your gachas, troon

>>715885142
does she even have a porn model?

>>715870427 (OP)
the skaven are much more fun than generic chaos-addled scum

idk I just saw an oneyplays video about vermintide so that’s better automatically :)

>>715899128
choas was added to give more zest to the muculent broth that was vt1. since both games share the same ratmen enemies, it would've been boring with just skaven all over again. beastmen are a welcome entry, but i still want the undead to come to the game before they finally pull the plug.

there's hints in the game that imply that kruber and kerillian both have feelings for each other, like the fact that kerillian gets jealous of kruber many times, and that kruber became depressed when kerillian left the keep to become a sister of thorn

>>715879926
There was a time, anon.
There was a time

>>715898692
What do you expect? It's L4D, WHFB edition: Those things have been parts and parcel of the genre for 15+ years.

>>715893001
>could have had the all guardsman party
it's not fucking fair

>>715899660
Best ship
>Kruber depressed
That's always though it get's just a little bit better everyday with Kerillian.

>>715893001
Play GTFO at this point.

>>715870427 (OP)
In Retrospect, what period of Vermintide are we comparing Darktide with? Darktide has been out for 3 years now and Vermintide 2 came out 3 years after the first one. Vermintide 2 has been out for 7 years

>>715870427 (OP)
>Le Nurgle... AGAIN!

>>715873408
But, orks and orcs are the good guys. In both settings. Grimgor won. I'd fucking love a game like Overlord but your little shitters can also have orcs mixed in.

video game wise 40k suffers the problem that

a) its too fucking big. Like its so fucking big that nothing really matters. You lost that city? Who cares. Lost that hive? Whatever. Planet´s gone? Nothing changes. Oh, lost an entire sub sector? Not even on the radar. You need some real asspull to create any form of stakes.

b) Everyone hyper hates everyone so its always the same dynamics of hyper autists seething about the mutant, the psyker and the xeno.

c) Crappy hives and imperial gothic architecture look way more same-y than empire cities

Would it kill the industy to use Slaanesh as the main enemy once? We are adults here, we can take a couple of nipples.

>>715901190
also another thing, 40k has no fucking sense of place. Where the fuck is Atoma even located? Whats next to it? Where is it in relation to Terra? Where is this frontier war the baddies come from and what does it look like? I have no idea at all. I have no sense of place in the wider setting at all. In Vermintide on the other hand, i can point to Ubersreik and Helmgart on the map, i have a idea what next to them, i have a idea to the surrounding and what areas might be accected next should we fuck up in this war

>>715901257
The US certainly can't.

>>715901867
It's wild to think she got in trouble for someone tearing her outfit.

>>715901190
>erm nothing matters because the universe is le huge
>waaaahh nobody likes each other
>I have shit taste and I love cocks
You're a fucking idiot. Of course the scale of 40k is massive that's one of the defining features of 40k. Are you such an autistic midwit that stakes don't matter to you unless they're on a universal scale? Every faction despising each other is what makes the rare instance of cooperation meaningful and interesting. You're opinion on architecture is subjective and irrelevant.
>>715901609
This is your only valid criticism as they haven't done a great job of explaining Atoma's layout and where operations are taking place inside the hive city. Even a broken clock is right twice a day though so you're still a fucking retard.

>>715901867
Anon, please do not soil this board by posting that filth. I am trying to raise a point here.

beastmen and norsca being allied with the rats is gay as fuck, and makes the enemies being mixed look really awkward.

They should do a Vermintide 3 set in Age of Sigmar and pull the five over by the same bullshit reason they used on Gotrek. Then just use a location that looks kinda like warhammer fantasy anyways just way larger. This is how they would actually have people relate to the setting. Not some generic boys in gold and blue fighting team red in a weird, featureless magma field with skull mountains in the background

>>715902740
What if we fought in the Mortuary Factory?

>>715902425
Gez I know Timberlake isn't the best artist right now but calling him filth is too harsh.

>>715893001
the squad somehow had so much more character in that first trailer

>>715902872
then they better make that location the coolest shit ever and turn the meme into a big solid win for the setting

If you send me to the Mortuary Factory and im not creaming my pants because of how wild the map is, you´re doing it wrong

>>715893001
>>715898327
>>715900063
You idiots only have yourself to blame if you think you would get four guardsmen after Vermintide gave us four characters.

>>715902740
Reminder that Behemat women look like anime girls until GW proves otherwise (5 years in and they haven't)

>>715903651
yeah, darktide sure did give us 4 memorable characters, right?

>>715904160
Given the lack of fan material I seen compared to the Vermintide cast I'd say no they didn't. But I sure hope you aren't implying it would have been better with four guardsmen

>>715900703
>Grimgor
IM DA BEST.

>Reinstall vermintide 2 just to check out the game in its current state
>Performance got much worse because they filled the game with skins and shit
Classic

>>715904654
The game isn't running any worse, I've only noticed slower loading times but it's doubtful it has anything to do with skins.

>>715900267
>Best ship
Not even close.
>>715905208
>slower loading times
Might be some unpacking issue: The game used to be what, 120gb big. Now it's like half that.

>>715879926
40k fandom has a recent-ish problem of being starved of any media worth meming and GW taking an axe to TTS and Astartes to prop up their dogshit streaming platform. The only things really left are DreadAnon lazily reading over whatever is on r/grimdank in a given day and fa/tg/uys raging against the dying of the light with forced schizo bullshit.

>>715907243
can't they, like, run a game or something?

>>715904420
Four guardsmen with defined personalities?
Fuck yes it would.

>>715906126
I like both but Kruber and Kerillian is unironically more stable.
>>715907243
My favourite bit is when /tg/ types enter video games to call everyone secondaries for discussing the video game.

>>715907706
>>715908465

>>715907706
>>715908565
And Joker as the medic

>>715908694
>before some meme-loving fuck gets any ideas

>>715908465
Thumbnail made me think it was Benito Mussolini at first

>>715907706
You have four defined personalities now

>>715908694
>post Animal Mother

>>715900063
you can have a 4 guardsman party, did any of you fucks shitposting here have played the game or am I replying to a bot?

>>715898305
Fuck that is a lot cooler. But can we keep the ogryn?

>>715911510
I assume he was implying four predefined Guardsmen, not the worse kind of British accents shouting random quotes about Cadia.

>>715911510
Are you being intentionally dense, or are you too stupid to grasp the difference between VT having established characters and Darktide having templates?

>>715874337
least GW lets them be the Protaginist in some Games unlike every other Xenos in 40k

If the next game is end times how salty will you be? I'd be Cod and Chips.

>>715883908
Wonder how hard it'd be to find that fic where a Stormvermin gets the better of her. It was pretty alright.

>>715879212
I weirdly think Warhammer Fantasy would be more suited to a Yakuza-style RPG, where most of the focus is on a single city that's very detailed, could even be a minor city like Boganhafen.

>>715912297
Anon the first two games are already End Times

>>715912456
They can be safely consider regular Fantasy, I mean if they actually start with the End Times plot front and centre and impossible to ignore.

>>715912639
No, they can't.
The first game literally had 'End Times' in the title.
The second has Chaos Warriors and Skaven forming an alliance, which is an End Times occurence. You also have Sienna becoming a Necromancer, which was indirectly caused by Nagash's machinations which came about in the End Times.

>>715912456
end times times place over a decade of time in-universe, and even Vermintide 2 is still very early on into the events of the End Times

>>715912949
>End Games in the title
Doesn't matter, I choose not to read it
>Chaos Warriors and Skaven forming an alliance
Could potentially happen anytime before hand, that by itself is nowhere near what I would consider end times exclusive.
>Sienna becoming a Necromancer
Didn't buy the dlc lmao, either way that is just as silly to me as Druchii or Asur Kerillian.

>>715880682
Because GW refused to update the model line and put the franchise on life support for years before suddenly going "woa wowie people won't buy the same army after 8 years??".

>>715913467
>end Warhammer Fantasy
>greenlight Warhammer Fantasy games which become massive hits
>scramble to make Warhammer Fantasy
>create a sliver of it years after the hype has waned
You just wouldn't understand their genius.

*triumphantly raises clenched paw*
40kek would have been a great setting if it weren't for le ebin racism

>>715914810
GW has the magical power to cause incredible warhammer games whenever they pay no attention to the IP whatsoever.
They're like the invisible boy from mystery men

>>715912375
Enemy in Shadows was a really good adventure

>>715870427 (OP)
It's actually amazing how offensively dogshit Darktide is in comparison. I have well over 300 hours in Vermintide 2 but only 10 hours in Darktide.

>>715880614
Anyway, here is space marine chapter #5774 and here is one with a name in green

>>715913169
>Druchii or Asur Kerillian
the 2 middle classes for all characters arent canon, the dlc classes are their canon choices, it's even tied to the campaign
saltzpyre regains his faith after drachenfels and chaos wastes and becomes a warrior priest
sienna's twin and nagash messing with the winds is what turned her into a necromancer after tower of treachery
kerillian is salty that lileath doesnt answer her anymore even after they did the weaves and citadel of eternity so she turned herself into a sott

>>715915928
And Kruber becomes a Grail Knight? No, it is all far too silly and NOT in a good way like Halflings.

I'd just want a Maneater for VT, somehow

>>715870427 (OP)
WHFB is simply a better setting than 40K and the result was inevitable as such.

>>715900703
>Grimgor won
If getting your head chopped off is victory, sure.

>>715916527
He didn't need performance enhancing drugs nor some mad gods creating cheat weapons to beat him the first time. Bitch just went crying home to daddy after Grimgor smashed his shit in.

>>715916807
Not canon, my friend, Archaon and Grimgor only fought once, and Grimgor lost big. You can cope with your fan fiction if it makes you feel better though, after all, it's all you've got.

Rats won
>reel in entire fucking moon of warpstone
>Eshin gives aggressive backscratch to Gimli
>Liggers either dead or used their Yakub pyramids to escape
>Horny Rat is pleased, to the point of giving skaven new world that is paradise to them
well I guess Queer Headgiver jobbed and what's his face pestilence asshat clawed his eyes out

>>715870427 (OP)
rats are more fun to kill than zombies, that's just that
gameplay feel is better than ratclick, sprint and slide alone improves much
>muh variety
kinda, but it's still same corridors, open spaces between corridors both games have, just different textures
>muh voice acting
darktide also has great ones, just players insist on picking the worst ones for some reason
>muh melee focus
so is darktide when you move from kiddie difficulties

>>715916807
Easy anon, he's already an ET fan.
He's suffering enough

>>715917112
ET does not really induce suffering in Chaos fans, I would say they and Skaven are the only ones who did well in that clusterfuck.

>>715916527
>>715916924
World's only endtimes defender rears up to take another beating.
>>715917167
It definitely induced suffering to their wallets, buying all those books and models that got squatted instantly.

>>715917167
ET requiring the entire planet to get a lobotomy makes it even worse for an actual chaos fan, however.
Bad writing is bad for the soul, and someone that accepts it because their team is being sucked off is clearly suffering already.

>>715915670
So is most of The Enemy Within.
Empire in Flames is a bit of a mess, but that's to be expected considering it has to resolve every plot point from the previous five adventures

>>715915347
Ngl the whole grimderp atmosphere and the incessant reminders of the imperial cult get boring quite fast. In sigmar's empire the emperor is alive and well, magic and technology are accepted and even endorsed, there is freedom of religion and half of the empire worships ulric, taal, rhya, verena, shallya, myrmidia, ranald, manaan and even grungni.it's an incredibly diverse and cosmopolitan empire with races of all kinds all put together, of which almost none are loyal to the empire but are there for their own reasons and nobody chastize them for it. The empire also has many allies which are also powerful in their own right. It's just a better and more natural setting.

>>715913130
>Vermintide 2 is still very early
VT1 was already 4 years into End Times which ends in 2528
VT2 starts around 2524 and each new campaign and lore event after that happens months apart with the elf saying Isha's already dead and Nagash already active that Sienna gained necromancy and Gelt erecting the wall so they're in late 2524 or early 2525 by now.

Look at all the seethe from people angry their irrelevant factions got mogged and devastated in the inevitable, unavoidable total Chaos victory. You guys were always just a footnote to Chaos anyways, don't see why you're so mad it ended the only way it could.

See what I mean?
A poisoned soul on display.
Don't condemn it, instead pity it.

sex with skaven girls

>>715916956
Winning by throwing trillions of cheap meat at the enemy until it drowns in their blood while cackling from your mound of garbage is a very indian thing to do. That "yes we're miserable fucks but at least we make everyone else miserable as well" kind of cope. Sometimes i wonder if indians like the skaven, a bit too clean maybe but they're still quite similar

>>715918036
Indians never really fought wars that way though, and in fact they rarely fought wars in general. Military endeavors are not exactly a strong suit of the Indian people, meanwhile conquering and killing stuff (including other Skaven) is all they do. Well, that and invent insane technology that outstrips everyone else in the setting, except for Cathay, since Cathay is the best at everything.

look at ligger fag malding

>>715917902
>girl (male)

>Grimgor slaps Archaon's shit so hard he has to beg the chaos gods for a superpowered demon sword to beat him
luv the one true git, simple as

>>715880556
SM2 came out months ago and has like 3x the players. VT2 came out a decade ago.

>>715918525
Grimgor fought Archaon once and he did so fully empowered by Gork, and he still lost completely and totally, ending up with his head slashed off his shoulders. Your ridiculous fan fiction is meaningless tripe that has no relevance to the actual characters and setting.

i never played VT1 dlcs and i was kinda interested with stromdorf. is it good? or is it just like bogenhafen from VT2?

Why do they focus on Chaos so much? Chaos is such a lame faction. It's like if Hot Topic was a Warhammer 40k army

>>715918660
I haven't played it for years, but I remember enjoying how open it was.
It also struck a decent balance between the design styles of both VT1 and their plans for 2

>>715918790
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the fluff was written by higher ups' children in their angsty phase

>>715918790
The guys who created the setting loved Chaos and it was their main faction so they wrote that they would win in the end. It's really just that simple.

>>715902351
Go fuck yourself, mongoloid
You're not as smart as you think

>>715918790
Vampire Counts weren't a faction till after Chaos was a thing, and Orcs are rather mundane to be the full Villain.
It's why early Villians like Drachenfells were just arseholes who used everyone.

>>715918790
Chaos is like the one copywritable thing Warhammer has. GW only cares about merchandizing.

>>715918950
>That little thing is a "mighty army"
How cute!

>>715907728
>My favourite bit is when /tg/ types enter video games to call everyone secondaries for discussing the video game.
I want to strangle these fucking retards

>>715880119
God I miss that fucking bug like you wouldn't believe.

>>715919063
Kemmler was the first named villain, IIRC. First named character too, come to think of it.

>>715919154
It was the 80s man, you didn't have to have fuckhuge pauldrons and gigantism on your dudes to make them cool and fun. It was a time before overcompensation became the standard, basically.

>>715880310
>Vermintide 2 and Total War Warhammer are the most popular warhammer games atm
They really, really aren't. Space Marine 2 vastly outsold Warhammer 3 and Darktide STILL has at minimum 5x the amount of active players then Vermintide 2 despite being inferior by literally any metric you could possibly throw at it to compare.

>>715919380
That stayed around, characters like Kremlo or Sven were only for a single supplement before disappearing.

>>715919481
>perks every 5 levels instead of skill trees, having to buy dlc for weapons, character limits (if some retard is playing your main good luck lmao), beastmen, overall worse animations compared to darktide

shitting on darktide is the popular thing to do on /v/, but dont be delusional

>>715897571
Learn to speak English before coming to this website, ESL. GW isn't an adjective; it's a company.

>>715919481
Space Marine 2 came and went, and barely that, it left no impact and the 1st one was a rather niche cult classic that only really appealed to 40k fans, same as the second game
Total War Warhammer appeals to both map painting autists and fantasy+warhammer fans
Vermintide appeals to both co-op and warhammer fans, and includes just enough information on the setting to get new people interested in it, presented by great voice acting and characters

Darktide is a gameplay continuation of Vermintide 2 but has little to no meme potential with everyone playing their special OCs and not established characters, forcing dialogue to be generic to cover the most ground and does a poor job introducing the setting because so much lore exists behind everything and the game taking place on some noname irrelevant planet.
The gameplay stumbles hard by introducing ranged generic mobs and putting more emphasis on ranged combat, the melee combat is the -Tide series' main strength.

Also a pet peeve of mine in 40k is that so much information is pulled out of thin air, you see a random bunch of numbers and letters that represent some location or techpriest and it means nothing.

t. avid Vermintide 2 and Darktide player

>>715919775
>33,7% chance to deal 2 additional damage to an enemy with no pants on at midnight
How are skill trees better than strong, easy to read perks that make an immediately noticeable gameplay difference?

>>715878593
Nobody actually likes it enough topay GW prices for it.
$60 is max all of wfb is worth. So like 1 40k kit.

>>715921864
It just does to a 40k baby.

>Fantasy just got stuck woth dogshit Grand "CHINA NUMBAH WAN" Cathay
>Sigmar just got Chorfs
Is AoS really that bad? This Cathay shit makes things seem a bit iffy for Fantasy

>>715918438
If it works for Queek, it'll work for you.

>>715923296
cathay doesn't virtually exist outside total war warhammer 3. it doesn't have any influence whatsoever on the events of the end times, CA just wanted chang's social credits.

>>715923723
>cathay doesn't virtually exist outside total war warhammer 3.
They just got a tabletop release and the 'lore' behind it is rancid dogshit

>>715878593
Because spacemarinefags ruin everything

>>715924308
>Nagash struck fear into the dragon emperor
>Sigmar continued to be the biggest chad to ever chad
Nah, their lore is fine.

When will Owlcat leave 40k behind and make some nice Fantasy Battles CRPG anyway

>>715924675
>China (Numba Won!) was the original human civilisation as old ones intended
>chinese women had to teach Sigmar how to be a ruler
It's far worse than anyone expected

>>715911935
What game lets you be an Ork?
The only Xenos protagonist game was Fire Warrior and that was an aberration.

>>715918036
>Winning by throwing trillions of cheap meat at the enemy until it drowns in their blood while cackling from your mound of garbage is a very indian thing to do.
Wat? That's THE classic Russian war strategy.
>That "yes we're miserable fucks but at least we make everyone else miserable as well" kind of cope.
That's a very Russian attitude too.

>>715918917
Plans 2? Was 2 supposed to be different?

>>715873408
It's called vermintide, not greentide

>>715893001
>I'd pick 4 faceless guys
Ni...
>+ogryn
You are part of problem.

>>715870492
Darktide's also heavily melee focused, trying to go all guns will get you doodied on in real difficulties. However melee in Vermintide feels a lot better. The only shit Darktide has going for it is gunplay and movement, and even then movement boils down to cancerous shit like kiting an entire mission's worth of enemies.

>>715870427 (OP)
It has different maps that are not just a different section of 5 maps.

>>715925902
And all the DoW games plus Battlefleet Gothic.

>>715926601
Let me rephrase then: What 40K games where you can't pick your faction let you play as Xenos?

>>715878593
It isn't, it died because it's a lame, generic Tolkien copypaste fantasy slop universe done by 50 other franchises. 40k rightfully outperformed it because it is actually an interesting universe to learn about.

>>715926908
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2078450/Warhammer_40000_Speed_Freeks/

>>715927224
...oh!

>>715877852
This, imagine play as The Archivist(a Zoat), Skarburn Zapdakka(Ork), a Kroot or a FUCKING MAN OF IRON (UR-2059, it's baffling how does GW fumble so hard when the gold is right in their hands
>>715911669
There are not one but TWO ogryn characters: Gren "Knuckles" and Dorg "The Wall" Broggan, Dorg is a bullgryn(basically FBI OPEN UP Ogryns)

>>715927367
oh! x2

Thanks Anons! I'll give em a try?

>>715927347
>she actually believe this
40K outsells Fantasy because manchildren likes Space Marine and burly men with daddy issues more

>>715927676
Also because Fantasy has a way worse ruleset, is more expensive, has worse looking models, and is generally handled worse.

>>715927676
>superhumans with rocket launcher guns and gigantic power armor travelling through hell on multi-kilometer cathedral spaceships to fight endless battles on a million varied planets is cooler than scrawny men with swords and plate armor fighting over a muddy hovel in europe-esque land #25215
No, really?

I cant go back to vermintides slow as molasses gameplay after darktide. I just cant

>>715878593
Games Workshop killed it, it got expensive to play and G&W refused to even support it. No one cares that it's a "tolkien" rip off when the setting itself is genuinely great anyways. 40k was popular because it was cheaper to play and gameplay wasn't as much of a slog compared to rank&flank. Fantasy's setting mogs 40k in every way anyways.

>>715928013
>slow as molasses gameplay
Really? Games feel relatively the same to me in pace and movement, but darktide's melee feels way clunkier in comparison to vermintide's.

>>715870492
the friendly schzio pyker character in darktide is the best by far, especially when speaking with ogryn or hard asses, but those ogryn and hard asses are pretty boring on their own

>>715908465
who's that

>>715926908
>>715927479
>>715927547
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1253190/Warhammer_40000_Dakka_Squadron__Flyboyz_Edition/

>>715928114
>Games feel relatively the same to me
you have sprinting, sliding and spammable ranged weapon. Not to mention DT auric has noticeably more enemies (both trash and specials) than VT2 cata. DT is definitely more adhd oriented

>>715928059
>No one cares that it's a "tolkien" rip off
>Fantasy's setting mogs 40k in every way anyways
(citation needed)

>>715928290
How come /v/ never talks about these games? This is the first I've heard of all of them, and I lurk Rogue Trader threads.

>>715928114
it only feels clunky because darktide sends a million armored fucks at you that you can't cleave through normally with most melee weapons
youre constantly glancing and bouncing your attacks

>>715927882
I still prefer Fantasy setting, just look at these chaos warriors and how much aura they have compared too the CSM
I also dislike how bad 40K are with numbers and how "tiny" it feels even when it's supposed to be a massive galaxy

>>715928496
Source: me

>>715928582
Because most 40k "fans" are just tryhards who masturbate over how grimdark it is.
It's the same shit as the Berserk.

>>715928540
The people who frequent 40k threads tend to drown out the people that like orkz. Shootaz blood and teef had a few threads, but people disliked how short it was even though it was fun.

>>715928540
Probably because they're just fine little games and don't have the material to make 500 post 24 image shitpost threads of 40K vs Fantasy which even /tg/ doesn't bother to waste time on.

>>715928637
NTA but why is grimdark a swear word now? I dont want every setting to be irony poisoned with Mahvel quips. I cant stand larians writing

>>715928591
>how much aura they have compared too the CSM
Idk, the chaos marines seem pretty varied and interesting to me. I also like that there are potentially thousands of different warbands with completely different color schemes.
>I also dislike how bad 40K are with numbers and how "tiny" it feels even when it's supposed to be a massive galaxy
You mean like in ground battles? Fleet battles easily involve tens of millions and anything involving a hive world could easily involve 500 billion people or more. Just like in real life, you can't increase the scope to capture all that without it becoming incomprehensible.

>>715928774
Shitflinging is fun, also I like both

Did cosmetics make alot of money for VT2? Started playing yesterday and while it feels pushed with how flashy the vendor is for it they all look pretty awful or boring. Also why even bother when youre playing a first person horde shooter?

>>715928931
I think it's for lorefag purposes. Even weapon cosmetics don't really look good, the more flashy and gaudy my sword looks the more of a clown I feel like, I just want the basic skins.

>>715928170
Woody Harrelson.

>>715918340
Funny because that skaven possibly can't be female since they are canonically huge monstrous broodmares which makes that one male and thus the image is made for gay furry faggots.

>>715929541
Classic cope

>>715929939
you gay mang

>>715929541
>Funny because that skaven possibly can't be female since they are canonically huge monstrous broodmares
I'm pretty sure that's just because the skaven men unironically enslave them and whoever is the alpha just endlessly cooms in them like some twisted h-manga
"Huge monsterous broodmare" isn't their default state, is all I'm saying

>>715928059
It's funny because now with 10e 40k is just total garbage slop that isn't fun to play anyway.

>>715930682
>I'm pretty sure that's [fancanon]
No. Skaven females are bioengineered monstrosities.

>>715929541
Now that you mention it - I have never seen a straight furry.

>>715930757
>10e 40k is just total garbage slop
How bad did 10e ruin the game? I haven't bothered with tabletop in years, I last played during 6e/7e.

>>715930887
>fancanon
How is it an inaccurate read on Skaven society?
>bioengineered monstrosities
Okay but before they were bioengineered, how did they look?

>>715931006
I haven't played prior editions, I'm just a secondary wargame enjoyer who finally looked at 40k after many years of ignoring it
All I can say is what I don't like about it compared to other wargames;
>IGOUGO in current year
>Engagement during another player's turn is limited to "I overwatch" or some other strategem, considering another player's turn easily takes 20-30 minutes it's kind of absurd to have this little interaction
>P2W wargear, weapons don't cost points and are usually better than default wargear, so GW is basically just letting you pay money to give objective, points-free upgrades to your army
I could go on but honestly just go watch a battle report, there's hundreds of them online. I watched like 15 of them before I concluded that even with a fucking full fledged production studio trying to make 10e look fun, it still looked like slop.

>>715931083
>before they were bioengineered
The lore only states that there are no skaven females. If they had existed, one could only suppose that they went extinct and only the broodmares now exist.

>>715930964
I'm right here bro

>>715918950
On one side, being the creator of the setting gives you authority on who's going to win. On the other side, chaos fangirly is super cringe.

>>715931429
You're reaching real hard to justify your gay headcanon.
Skaven ratgirls are possible and plausible (and cute), deal with it homo.

>>715931629
>Skaven ratgirls are possible and plausible
What's not possible or plausible is a Skaven female escaping a warren without being the star of an instaloss 2koma

>>715931629
>states lore
>NOO IT CANT BE
you are gay and you don't even know it.

is inquistor a good game i havent played much wh

is rogue trader a good start

>>715931824
>hmm this poster that posts about females
>HES GAY
Stop projecting

>>715931974
Inquistor is good if you're a PoE or Diablo addict. Rogue trader is good only if you are a CRPG fan.

>>715932058
i am both

so yay

>>715932000
Because there aren't any skaven females in the setting which could only mean you are a gay furry.

>>715931974
>is rogue trader a good start
the engine the game is built on is outdated and not visually impressive
the story is pretty generic when it comes to 40k shit

overall it's a good entry point for people who don't really know much about 40k. the more you learn about 40k, though, the more disappointing rogue trader turned out to be

>>715932148
I get it, you're extremely gay and you're upset that straightchads are invading your gay rat race, but skaven ratgirls are real and there's nothing you can do about it lil homo.

The melee combat in Vermintide is much better. Darktide made melee so braindead and less lethal all around.

>>715870726
>Also still no other enemy factions.
I can kinda get at the conceptual level they imagined the Traitor Guard being professional soldiers could be made really distinctive from the local gang/militias turned cultists. But at the end of the day they're both just regular humans with guns and a smattering of improvised melee weapons. Mechanically speaking they operate the same aside from the marginal differences in flak vs unarmored. Which is rather shallow compared to the differences you could get between the Skaven and the Norscan Nurgle Warband.

>>715870427 (OP)
Gameplay wise, Darktide is more fun in almost every single way. More mechanics, more challenging enemies, less jank, smoother, more satisfying, more customization options.

I literally don't know how you can say vermintide is a better game unless you really have a hardon for the fantasy aesthetic.

>>715928760
>>715928774
I think the real reason is because they don't have husbandos and waifus