Thread 715886162

>Is submission not preferable to extinction?
That's a good question, actually.

No.

I miss Saren.

>>715886162 (OP)
Death before disgrace

>>715886162 (OP)
>villain makes argument
>how will the heroes answer?
>plot: "askhually the argument is bullshit and here's why"
I'm not saying in this particular case it's bad but I'm annoyed how often stories choose instead of defeating the villain's reasoning to introduce something in the plot that invalidates it entirely.

She makes a good point.

>>715886736
>ignoring the part where you can convince him to blow his brains out

>>715886162 (OP)
It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

>>715886162 (OP)
It is extinction. Do you think Saren and the reapers would allow national/ethnic/and cultural identity to stay alive?

This man is asking John Proctor to give up his name.

>>715887124
> It is better to die in hope than to live in despair.

>>715887080
Because you tell him everything he believes is bullshit and reapers were going to kill everyone regardless, remember? If the reapers actually were offering the deal he thought they were and you then convinced him to change his mind that would be an example of what I'm talking about.

I told him to kill himself and he did it, absolute madlad, I hate the council so much it's unreal.

>>715886162 (OP)
I mean it would have been a proper question, if not for the fact that Reapers will drive your entire species to extinction eventually and MAYBE turn them into a new Reaper for the fleet. But that's less preserving the species as what it is than it is just using their organic material as basis for the whatever space tech magic bullshit process that is involved in making a new Reaper.

i just press the "fix everything (blue flavor)" option

>>715886162 (OP)
why didn't Saren just finish building the crucible with the Geth and did the synthesis ending by himself

>>715887841
I thought he was being mind controlled by Sovereign and basically just did whatever Sovereign wanted at the time.
I haven't played ME1 since it came out, no bvlly.

>>715886162 (OP)
There are worse than dying

>>715888074
As far as I remember it wasn't complete mind control but he was pretty far in being indoctrinated by Reaper bullshit to do basically exactly everything they wanted him to do.

Reminder that Saren is not a character in Mass Effect 1. What you confront the entire game is a thoroughly indoctrinated puppet that, part way through, gets forcibly upgraded into an even more literal puppet.

Everything about him in the prequel novel, everything Anderson tells you about him from that time they worked together, it's all meaningless. He is not present in the game. Nothing of that person remains outside his ruthlessness and skill. His reasoning for supporting Sovereign was given to him by Sovereign after the Reaper Indoctrination technology had taken root in his brain. He never once mentions his brother or his supposed hatred for humanity because it's no longer an issue for him, he's just a mouthpiece for Sovereign's manufactured 'submit and we'll be spared' agenda.

>>715887745
Think the Reaper as the geth, they basically turned the species they harvest into programs like the geth and upload all of that program into the body of a reaper. In that way they technically preserve the knowledge of the species they harvest. The problem is that the reapers don't actually care about what make a species unique, all they care about is knowledge and that race biological traits

Yes I would rather die actually

>>715888074
Indoctrinate has 2 states, one is like your basic mind control while the other is a more subtle kind of mind control where the subject still think they has free will but subconsciously submitted the Reapers

>>715889250
Like TIM, I guess.
Man, I got to replay the series at some point. I love Harbinger and youtube his scenes every now and then... he assumed direct control of my heart haha

>>715889145
I don't know, I never got the impression that the "software" of the harvested species ends up in the Reaper, it always seemed more like them just preserving something of the species within a Reaper shell but for all intents and purposes it's just scifi necromancy or similar where the essence is gone and just the flesh remains, except in this case it's a huge amalgamation of an entire species turned into slurry that's then stuffed inside a metal shell (which by ME3 canon ends up indistinguishable from most Reapers I guess). The geth made more sense because they're already machines where you can just build a new platform for the software to get transferred and operate from.

>>715886162 (OP)
Kill yourself, pussy.

>>715886162 (OP)
Depends on who you submit to. Reapers, of course, are a very bad choice

Drew Karpyshyn is kinda a shit writer, but he was obviously the reason why the writing in ME1 was as good as it was before Casey Edwards wanted to rape it

>>715892234
For a vidya of the era, ME was a pretty good scifi game so it's a shame that what Karpy was working on as the big scheme of things for ME in the longrun just ended up scrapped altogether when he left, and then we got whatever the fuck Casey and friends wanted to do for the sake of LOTS OF SPECULATION.

Why does ME3 simp for the Geth so hard. Even if they achieved sentience (Debateable) basically fully genociding your creators is kind of a crazy stretch even when many of them were sympathetic. Plus that nigga Legion lies to you TWICE

Submission leads to extinction anyway.
Look at White people, boomers have submitted fully to globohomo and the almighty USD and now 70% of Whites below 30 have never even dated anyone. Extinction through lack of reproduction and generational guilt.
At least resistance gives you a chance, and even if you lose your end will be quicker and less humiliating.

>>715892764
ME1's Paragon reply to Tali telling you about the Morning War is "sounds like your people started t". The Quarians were always in the wrong.

>>715892764
>Even if they achieved sentience (Debateable)
If AI already thinks and feels like we do then they won't repeat the inevitable conflict the Reapers were meant to prevent, it would just be like having more people in the galaxy. So either it's a no or the endings, especially Synthesis, are more retarded than they already are.

>>715892764
Because the quarians where wrong.
Plus by that point they've established themselves as thieving space gypsies and everyone hates them.

>>715892764
>Legion lies to you TWICE
Did he? When?

reaper submission is husks and collectors. what a doofus

I've come to the conclusion that I love this game more for its (somehow) unique atmosphere and sense of space exploration than for its narrative. I mean the story isn't bad but a lot of stuff hinges on contrivances and the game cheats at making you hate Udina and the Council when they're usually just basically operating rationally on the basis of what Shepard actually does and says

>>715892764
That should be obvious, the writers decided that the Geth were the "poor oppressed slaves" and wrote them as the victims as a result.

He's basically a commie that thinks he'll like totally be a party leader after the le revolution. Literally a useful idiot

>>715894656
doesn't help that they never gave saren a pre-modification model so he showed up at the council trial looking as much like a geth as a turian and they still suck him off. they also made udina side with me3 cartoonish villain cerberus

>>715886162 (OP)
>That's a good question, actually.

Its a purely rhetoric one.
Live free or die, nigger

>>715895151
Yeah I always felt that the ME3 'twist' of Udina working with Cerberus was retarded and cheap. It's bizarre because it feels like at the start of the game they're finally trying to humanize him a little only for him to just be a traitor of the worst kind so everyone can feel validified about their dislike of the guy, when in the first game he really didn't do anything wrong. The whole conflictual attitude the player has with the Council after Shepard becomes a Spectre is one of the worst elements of these games' narratives

>>715886162 (OP)
In this particular case, it's extinction either way. Extinction sooner, extinction later when you stop being useful. More broadly, if you're not determining your own fate, you're already dead in practical terms. Mere survival is what an animal pursues.

>>715892764
>basically fully genociding your creators
This part of the argument has zero weight considering you can end the war with both sides surviving. I don't understand why people keep presenting it as an either/or proposition when saving both is entirely viable with minimal effort. Is it just for the drama?

>>715886162 (OP)
That's a Russian/third-world shithole mindset

>>715886162 (OP)
Dying with honor is always a pure fukken cope. It's the way out for people too weak to stomach living to scheme another day. Enjoy feeling like a poet in your last moments, no one will care, especially you, since you're gonna be dead.

>>715886162 (OP)
depends entirely on the living conditions of submission.

>>715896387
You don't scheme against the reapers once you've been indoctrinated by the reapers, retard.

>>715896581
Maybe if you're a pussy. Go die in that ditch you love so much, pussy.

>>715896787
You literally have your brains scooped out and replaced by electronics, you're not going to do any scheming.
Your cope is what enables this kind of subjugation, the arrogance of a retard thinking he can beat them at their own game.

>>715896908
>you're not going to do any scheming
Says you. I'm built different.
>Your cope is what enables blah blah blah, the arrogance of a retard thinking he can beat them
And you're the one arguing to die and loser cuz "HONORRRRRRRRRRRR." Beating them was never on your agenda at all. Go die, loser. That's what you're planning to do. Go on and do that while the adults are actually doing things.

Notably, the Collectors are actually good guys without Harbinger actively controlling their leader, so in a hopeless situation, it's a quest of whether you wanna die (lol, lame) or if you wanna be a sick ass bug (rad) and hold on until the next generation saves you (which happens and is why a Collector is playable in ME3)

>>715886162 (OP)
have you considered that submission leads to extinction just the same?
Why not then, try to fight back, and increase your chance of survival from zero to low?

>>715899023
As protheans, they're functionally dead regardless of being released from direct control. Their minds are long gone and they have to start from scratch, as individuals, as a culture, even as a species.

>>715886162 (OP)
Not when submission just extends the extinction whilst removing all the honour of the people. See modern White people for an example. If we had all been wiped out by the nuclear war it would be far preferable to what we face now.

>>715900148
But they're not ACTUALLY dead, which is what your dumb ass would be

>>715900331
Mind death is death.

>>715886162 (OP)
Palestinian answered this question

>>715886162 (OP)
It depends, but no one likes that answer and calls it "wish-washy" because nuance makes their brain hurt.

The Reapers were technically telling the truth. Saren and anyone who followed him WOULD be elevated to the status of a Reaper and spared being culled. The thing is, what organics consider "joining them" and what the Reapers define as "joining them" are ultimately in mutual denial with each other.

When you convince Saren "they're just going to kill you", you don't quite realize you're both correct AND incorrect. They aren't culling you like everyone else, they're just harvesting you to make a new reaper out of you to continue the mission. This incidentally fucking kills you, but the Reapers do not act on the same level of logic and rhetoric that organics do.

It's a pretty simple question, but what makes it good is it makes brainlets tweak out and seethe because it's not that deep whatsoever, intentionally so, and it outs every single subhuman IQ that comes across it without fail.

>ME1
We are the most powerful and smartest of races in the entire galaxy. You want to know why we reap? You wouldn't be able to comprehend the answer.
>ME3
Uh okay so basically we kill everything that has achieved spaceflight because they're usually close to making AI and AI will kill everyone so we, AI, kill them before they make AI.

ME3 sucks, but ME1 and ME2 were some of the best RPGs I've ever played

>>715900431
>ME2
>dark energy is destroying the universe, we have to kill sentients so they dont use mass effect fields

>>715892764
Quarians are fucking thieving gypos and they get what they fucking deserve, the geth showed them alot of leniency in letting them flee their homeworld, they should have chased them down and wiped them out completely

>>715900398
No, death is death. You have to posture about the meaning of existence or continuity of being in order to try to wormingly define one thing as kinda maybe actually being death, whereas on the other hand, there is death. That's it. No question. It is. Check yourself, bitch, or maybe kill yourself considering that you love actually dying so much, a hur hur hur

>>715886162 (OP)
it isn't if you have even the tiniest amount of self-respect

>>715900573
>"Then why did you make them, Harbinger"
>"The scary space whales made them"
Really?

>>715886162 (OP)
I heard he fuck femshep. Why do all the turian men fuck human women? I bet the volus are the reason for all of this interspecies porn with human women.

>>715900573
There's a timeline out there where they stuck with this. God damn fucks are eating good and we're not.

>>715894656
Yeah ME1 had a really cool hard sci-fi atmosphere that just completely flies out the window in the sequels

>>715886162 (OP)
Submission is the same as extinction.
As shown in the real world by the west's submission to the jews.

>>715901003
Don't you mean space opera?

>>715901117
No

>>715900864
>>715900573
Reminder this wasn't the fucking plot and even Bioware have said it was just one idea of many

It's also completely fucking retarded in its own right, more than what we got.
>we need you to stop using Eezo and Mass Effect technology
>this is why we've set up the perfect system where you will exclusively use Eezo and Mass Effect technology for thousands of years and never try to research any alternatives

>>715900573
>we have to seed the galaxy with mass effect generators so the sentients learn mass effect so that we can stop them from using mass effect

>>715901218
The use of the mass relays serve to limit how much eezo is used travelling across the galaxy, otherwise interstellar civilisations would have been flying everywhere manually. It's the difference between using trains a lot versus everybody driving everywhere.

>>715901047
>west is extinct!
>completely dominates the entire rest of the world militarily, economically, culturally, scientifically
>"b-b-but the jews"
yeah, without the west they would have gone extinct, they live thanks to our favourable view of them, not the other way around you gigantic arab faggot

They never should have explained the reapers motives, in the first game sovreign says that their motives are beyond our understanding, but then their motives actually very easy to understand if a little retarded.
Would have been much cooler if the reapers just blew into the galaxy and started fucking shit up and you have no idea why

>>715886162 (OP)
Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

>>715901305
>that image
What would he say?

>>715901747
80% of the pop is vaxxed, it's already over.

>>715901862
They should have had a scene where a scientist says they've finally found a way to understand Reaper motivations, and upon connecting to the Reaper their head instantly explodes ala Scanners.

>>715901747
it's funny, you saved them, and then they enslave you and make you a vassal state.
Hilarious, but you deserve it for what you did.

>>715901047
>>>/pol/
Off my board polnigger

>>715902493
>>>reddit
off my website retard

>>715902493
Please do not forget to dilate xir, or your neo-vagina will close-up.

>>715886162 (OP)
Do you really think that the reapers would uphold that bargain? They absolutely would mulched everyone as usual, and Saren would have realized this if he weren't indoctrinated.

>>715902287
Ok then. Go die and lose.

>>715902863
#winning

>>715903069
Objectively further along on the winning scale than the corpses
Go be a corpse

I want to marry Liara and turn her into a breeding sow so muh guys.
She wouldn't spend a single second of her life without being pregnant with litres of my cum sloshing in her at all times.


VIDEO GAMES

>>715903279
>liara
how are you going to pick not only worst girl, but also worst asari? Samara, Shiala, Tevos and Aria are RIGHT there.

>>715903392
Based Aria enjoyer

>>715886292
They killed him off too fast. Should have kept him around for the next game at least but oh well the series went to shit right at the start of 2 anyways.

If /v/ loves Mass Erect so much, then why don't they mod and rewrite 3?

>>715903650
>playing ME3 at all
I only play canon entries. Like ME2.

>>715892764
The Geth had already reached some sort of sentience. What sparked the war was a poor geth asking his maker "Does this unit have a soul?", a clear display of curiosity and self-awareness that was nowhere written in its code. The Quarian, being the fuckers they are, literally tried to destroy a new species whose buds were just blossoming because they didn't want to lose their slaves. The game makes this pretty clear, a Paragon Shepard is all for the Geth's freedom, and even Tali admits Legion was right if you manage to make the two races reach peace. There is a reason why most of the in-game world and ME players loathe the Quarians.

>>715904195
why are quarians so jewish?

>>715886162 (OP)
fuck off nigga, id rather die on my feet than get turned into a mindless robonigger drone.

>>715903650
ME modding seems to be superficial for the most part, nobody has actually made new levels and characters/animations beyond restoring what's buried in the game files. The possibilities are probably fairly limited.

>>715904667
>Bioware tries to make some sympathetic races/ethnic groups based on Jews, hoping to pay them homage and tackle real life issues
>the Quarians in ME and the Dalish in DA
>the Quarians are conniving little shits who go around picking up trash for their immense flotilla whose ships are barely held together by spit and prayer
>the Dalish are haughty crybabies who pretend to understand their "glorious past", are poor nomads, abandon their mage children in the wilderness when there are too many mages in the same clan, and hate all other races
>then the games reveal the Quarians were a bunch of slavers who tried to stop another race from acquiring true consciousness
>the Dalish got everything wrong, have been branding themselves with slave markings since the dawn of time, and their ancestors were the very cause of their shitty lives, not the humans

Bravo Bioware

>>715904667
>creates a golem that becomes everyone's problem
>expects everyone else to do something about it
>blames you in case something goes wrong

>>715904667
If Geth didn't take cover behind their servers far less of them would die.

>>715886162 (OP)
Yeah, I pay taxes.

>>715897039
>>715896387
You speak with great wisdom.

>>715886162 (OP)
Submission always leads to extinction.

Why did the Reapers need Saren again? I know the Citadel signal was shut down or something but they still manage to invade just fine, were they that concerned about an additional 2-3 year wait on a 50,000 year plan or am I forgetting something else

>>715886162 (OP)
No. It isn't.
Death is preferable.

>>715903132
>being a puppeted corpse is better than being a free corpse
?
???

>Submission is death masquerading as survival. It is to offer your will on an altar, to be consumed by those whose strength lies only in domination. And extinction? Extinction is not defiance, it is surrender painted as nobility. Both are failures of vision. Both concede the shaping of the galaxy to others.
she has a point, you know

>>715906793
Yes.
The Reapers are machines, they want the plan to be followed.
Attacking the Citadel first is the most efficient as it sows chaos by eliminating leaders, and it links to all the relays, allowing them to invade anywhere, at any time.
The Protheans gave them the hardest fight they ever had, and that was WITH taking the Citadel, so they likely didn't want unnecessary risks.

>>715886162 (OP)
>villain is mirror image of hero if he took the evil path
Patrician trope. Being a paragon makes most thematic sense. Saren is what will happen if you fall for renegade cynicism and succumb to Reapter indoctrination by means of them using your "victory at all costs" philosophy against you.

>>715907216
Saren was more selfish than he lets on. He lets slip at least once that this is HIS only hope.
Shepard isn't like that. Paragon or Renegade.

>>715907112
>you're a retard if you do either, pick a third option
She can't keep getting away with it!

>>715907060
Yeah, better off to still be animated instead of a bag of bones
Go die and rot away if you like it so much

>>715907112
Kreia kinda retarded.
What if your own will coincides with the force?
What if returning that dude's credit card is just your choice.
What kind of life is being a shriveled hag nagging at people?

>>715900424
Very cool Satan thanks for the explanation.

>>715886162 (OP)
More like "first submit then we'll make you go extinct", so submitting is futile you'll get genocided either way whether you do it or not

>>715905224
The hell? Quarians are based on Gypsies and the Dalish on the Irish. They flat out recreated the Irish slums from Victorian era England in DAO, and had them all speaking with an Irish accent, it was pretty on the nose. Don't know how you thought they were a Jew analogue.

>>715907705
lmao go get rabies braindead puppet

>>715909339
I thought the same, but I could swear some BioCucks have said the inspiration was Jews.
I know I've heard lore videos say so. I'm nowhere near an expert though. If somebody has proof post it.
My initial assumption was gypsies based on their attire.

>>715909101
And yet, the Protheans survived to see the death of the Reapers because they submitted to become the Collectors
Curious

>>715900424
>They aren't culling you like everyone else, they're just harvesting you to make a new reaper out of you to continue the mission. This incidentally fucking kills you, but the Reapers do not act on the same level of logic and rhetoric that organics do.
Strictly speaking, the people that go into the harvesting machines that kill and liquefy you are being harvested, husks and indoctrinated agents are left behind to rot. So it's not even survival by the Reaper's logic.

>>715909917
Collectors aren't sentient and live lives as robots.

>>715905224
>geth leave quarians alone
>quarians go into warmogging mode to reclaim their holy land
seriously...

>>715896117
It's because the narrative quite blatantly favours the geth.
In ME1 and 2, it was made clear that the Quarians may have fucked around, the Geth's response was vastly disproportional and doesn't excuse the fact that they acted so much like terminators in the aftermath that Legion being sapient was a surprise.
That last part being ignored by 3 is particularly egregious.

>>715903279
Your cum doesn't matter when it comes to asari breeding

>>715910259
Imagine you're a child and your episodic memory kicks in, the first thing your parents do is start kicking and punching you, screaming at you to undevelop episodic memory. How would you react?

>>715909682
lol
lmao
Everyone gives Bioware way, WAY too much credit. They just straight up, outright ripped off the entire storyline and set up of the Twelve Colonies from Battlestar Galactica. Here's a simple excerpt:

>The Twelve Colonies of Kobol are twelve distinct worlds, located in a remote part of our Galaxy. For 2,000 years they were home to the descendants of humans participating in the exodus of Kobol.[1] For most of the two millennia that these worlds were inhabited, the Twelve Colonies consisted of multiple sovereign states, but during the final fifty-two years leading up to the Fall of the Twelve Colonies, all twelve comprised a single state known as the United Colonies of Kobol.

>After the settlement, the colonies slowly began to prosper and eventually gave birth to a race of cybernetic lifeforms, known as Cylons. Only a few years after their creation, the Cylons raged a devastating war on their creators' home planets, which ultimately led to the Fall of the Twelve Colonies. Wasted and in ruins, the once prosperous homeworlds of humanity were finally abandoned by both humans and Cylons.

>Out of all Colonial inhabitants, only about 55,000 survive the first days of the holocaust. Most of them leave the Colonies behind in two small fugitive fleets.

Absolutely a complete rip off from A to Z.

>>715910259
To be fair, the geth were in their infancy as they describe and likely can't differentiate between combatants and non-combatants unless they actively ally with them. We also don't know how bad the quarians got, it's also shown they killed many if their own people.
I mean, if I have to shoot through a crowd of people in self-defense waiting outside your apartment, that's kind of on you.

>>715910086
>Collectors aren't sentient, as is clearly seen via the time when Harbinger was actively controlling them and forcing them to be robots, and there's no way they can actually do anyth--AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DON'T POST THAT!!!!!!!! DON'T POST PROOF THAT THE COLLECTORS ARE SICK ASS HEROES THAT WERE PLAYING THE LONG GAME, AND THAT PRIDEFUL EXTINCTION TARDS DESERVE THE ROPE (which they'll gladly take because "At least I'll be fre--ACK!")

>>715910337
>>715910528
Again, this is ignoring the second part.
The initial genocide is explainable, but indiscriminately slaughtering anyone who goes through the perseus veil for centuries isn't.

Krogans have 4 balls huh, interesting.

>>715910784
They literally didn't know anything, and the defining experience at the dawn of their consciousness is that organics want to fucking kill them all. This is only reinforced by the fact that the organics have laws against your very existence, always had laws against your very existence, and your creators continue to experiment on you for hundreds of years trying to find a way to kill you all.

They are not the antagonists here. As proven by the fact they didn't simply decide that their long term survival hinges on total organic death. We see by the third game what their military strength actually is, they could have waged a war to kill every organic in the galaxy long before the events of ME1.

>>715910784
they probably considered it perfectly reasonable given the galaxy's official position on AI

>>715911042
They were sapient, ME3 establishes this. They're capable of learning. And they still didn't do shit but slaughter everyone who came near them. They didn't even try, fail and give up.
That's indefensible.

>>715910784
>isolate yourselves on the very far end of the galaxy
>do so behind a giant fuckoff space wall to mark your territory
>the giant fuckoff wall is nigh-impossible to scan through or navigate
>ergo, the odds of someone entering the Veil accidentally are flat out impossible
>the only people that would be there are infiltrators or scavengers (i.e. thieves)
>the Geth treats these trespassers as any sovereign people would
What's the problem here?

>>715911157
Neither did they go beyond the perseus veil to kill the organics that pose a literal threat to their continued existence. It's not "indefensible" when every other race out there has a mandate to destroy AI.

>>715911042
>We see by the third game what their military strength actually is, they could have waged a war to kill every organic in the galaxy long before the events of ME1
proof?

>>715911315
It came to me from a prothean beacon

>>715911315
The codex entry for the Geth dreadnaught indicates it's bigger and better armed than any other dreadnaught ever made, and that the geth have more dreadnaughts than anyone else.

>>715911291
>indiscriminate murder without even attempting diplomacy or revealing you're capable of it, thus giving people the assumption you're mindless murderbots, isn't indefensible

>>715911434
lol
>>715911439
>codex entry for a single ship
lamo? why don't you post that fleet strength number for the final battle, and compare it to some other combat strength numbers.

>>715911513
You keep missing the critical point. The Geth know for a FACT that the rest of the galaxy has a standing order to destroy AI, the very existence of AI is considered one of the highest crimes possible, to the point where the Quarians are treated like shit for making the Geth centuries after anybody who was initially involved in that was dead and dust on the cosmic winds. Diplomacy is clearly out of the question.

>>715911157
>>715911513
You know, we have societies on planet Earth, right now, where people act exactly like the Geth. Ironclad borders after telling everyone on Earth to fuck off, and the understanding that anyone that goes in uninvited will be killed, is in no way an alien concept. The Geth might as well be the Sentinelese.

>>715911563
>why don't you post that fleet strength number for the final battle
This is after it was attacked by the other biggest fleet in the galaxy after the quarians weaponised everything with thrusters, and especially after the all the sabotage that occurred to slow the Geth down.

>>715911760
>The Geth might as well be the Sentinelese.
Fuck you, now I've got that image stuck in my head, but with the Geth. You know the one.

>>715911674
>The Geth know for a FACT that the rest of the galaxy has a standing order to destroy AI
Do they? Not saying you're wrong but I don't remember it coming up, isn't the reason Legion goes out exploring is because they didn't know enough about the outside world

>>715910741
This is a result of the Leviathans controlling them, and it's explicitly stated most die. A rare few "Awaken" and it's probably temporary.
If you're choosing to submit based on the off chance an Eldritch being intervenes and exerts it's power over you... that's an option, I guess.

>>715886162 (OP)
Better to be a free man in your grave than to live as a puppet or slave.

>>715911885
Legion was sent out to find Shepard, specifically, but he does say they know a little from getting into the extranet on occasion, whether that was just Legion's platform or the Geth in general is uncertain.

>>715911157
Literally nothing wrong with this.
If every French person you interacted with attempted to kill you, you'd be 100% justified attacking any that enter your territory.
They also state their "infancy" that could have influenced their aggression is also why they decided to not exterminate the quarians entirely; the moment they were not a threat, they were ignored. Pure machine logic.

>>715911439
Doesn't say the latter. It's stated they COULD have as many dreadnoughts as the turians since they weren't restricted by the Treaty of Farixen.
My personal assumption is they are the second strongest naval force in the galaxy, behind the turians.

>>715912026
>>715909101
>>715907112
>>715906570
I like how you're all talking tough online, but pay whatever the government demands off you in real life.

>>715912006
>based on the off chance an Eldritch being intervenes and severs the Reaper's control over you
There's no question about it. When it's
>roll the dice for a 1/1000000000 chance that you'll shoulder through it all to one day come out the other side, strong and alive, to be able to directly contribute to the downfall of your oppressors, and potentially see the galaxy stand free without them
or
>choose to immediately die
At that point, choosing death isn't pride or freedom, it's objectively cowardice.

>>715912132
Legion is an avatar of ALL the geth; when it tells you "we watch you" it is saying the geth monitor all organic transmissions that they can.

>>715911801
>cope
you are literally grasping

>>715912331
The government gives me roads, a postal system and throws pissed out abos in jail when they get uppity, there is a clear exchange here.

>>715912392
I think that's silly, and choosing to submit is cowardice. But you do you.

>>715886162 (OP)
It's not submission it's getting turned into a formerly meat puppet

>>715912469
They also don't maintain them, it barely functions, and they release those criminals on a whim and don't prosecute if you are in the correct social bracket

>>715912479
>choosing to continue the fight is cowardice
>choosing to surrender and all die is bravery
You think like this and somehow call anyone else silly. Ridiculous.

>>715912412
Legion is a single platform with thousands of Geth programs running inside of it. He's particularly unique, and it's hard to tell whenever he's talking about the Geth entire, or just the collective in that one platform since transmissions don't go through the veil and he was designed to operate separately from the rest of the collective. The game doesn't present enough information to say for sure, we know at least that Legion knows and that his knowledge would be shared with the rest of the Geth at some point, if it hadn't already.

>>715912678
k

don't moderns really think slavery is worse than genocide?

>>715909339
I was pretty sure I remember Gaider saying that and a quick google search confirmed it. He answered a question on Tumblr about it after the release of Inquisition. Jews and Native Americans.

>https://www.tumblr.com/the-gaider-archives/109509566283/i-was-wondering-if-the-elves-in-dragon-age-were-at

Hell, the elves fleeing from Halamshiral and then returning to it is basically a representation of the diaspora of the Jews and their hope to return to their holy homeland.

>>715912331
posting Kreia third position sophistry is acting tough?

>>715912742
All geth commune, the 1000 programs uploaded into Legion weren't somehow separate, the only reason Legion doesn't submit to the Reapers is due to its experience with Shepard causing that platform to CHOOSE not to follow the geth.
Consider that Legion communes with the rest of the geth in seconds to teach Shepard their history if allowed. As EDI describes, it's like a "galactic arm".
I suppose their is some room for interpretation, but my understanding was always that Legion was speaking for ALL geth.

>>715912663
My roads are clear, my mail arrives on time and I haven't seen a pissed out abo in years, so as far as I'm concerned, they're doing what I pay them to do.

>>715912331
Joke's on you, I pretty much get money from the government to sit on my ass.

>>715912963
I know they all commune, but the Geth inside Legion can't commune with the rest of the Geth behind the veil during ME2 because it blocks transmissions. I don't recall anything that would indicate whether he'd reported back to the rest of the collective at any point, but it would make sense that they would want frequent updates on the state of the galaxy. Legion does mention "they" monitor the extranet, but doesn't stipulate a timespan, it could have started not long after the morning war centuries ago or began relatively recently with Legion himself.
>the only reason Legion doesn't submit to the Reapers is due to its experience with Shepard causing that platform to CHOOSE not to follow the geth.
I'm fairly sure that Legion being a unique mini-collective that can operate separately from the rest of the collective heavily plays into it. Legion's programs build their own consensus without having to commune with the others.
>Consider that Legion communes with the rest of the geth in seconds to teach Shepard their history if allowed.
That may just have been information his collective was already carrying, rather than something that was accessed right then. Again, the properties of the veil throw the whole thing into question. Legion says collective, is that his 1000 programs or the entirety of the Geth? He never clarifies. Clearly he's meant to represent the Geth's general attitude and not enough time has passed for Legion to diverge greatly from the veil Geth, so it's probably academic anyway.