>people making a petition to demand game developers and companies be required to keep game servers online forever

How is this reasonable to you people? I'm with PirateSoftware on this one.

>>715916038 (OP)
because server hosting costs like $2 a month and board execs should be raped for making games without offline modes

It's not about it being reasonable.
I can force them into being my serverslaves and they can't do jack shit about it. That's all.

I do not understand where that argument actually came from. By the actual wording, it more or less gives the ball to the developers/publishers on how "reasonably playable" after EoL is achieved, instead they piss and shit over an option they don't want to do instead of exploring other options.
Are game studios ran by apes?

>>715917225
Unless they release proprietary server code to the public, which will be costly and increase the likelihood of cheating and hacking, they will be forced to keep old, dead games up that nobody cares about. This will especially hurt small indie devs who just wantt to experiment with online feature integration.

>>715917225
>Are game studios ran by apes?
Worse, jews

>LOOK SIRS I AM ASTROTURFIN THE WRONG INFORMATION LIEK YOU TOLD ME TO!
Get new material saar.

>>715917391
How did old games do it? If these are the only two options that you proposed you are a fucking idiotic architecture designer and shouldn't left anywhere NEAR server infrastructure because clearly you have no fucking clue. If you are going to make the argument of servers and server software getting more complicated I am going to stop you right fucking there. Most of the microservices that run with modern games are things external to the main functionality of the game, that being account handling, anti-cheat and economy handling, all things that are superfluous to the actual design of the core gameplay. Ignoring that, your code can and should be able to disconnect from these services and still run in some capacity because it's called future proofing against when you need to inevitably change the third party services that you are running with because no agreement lasts forever, and no services will be your forever service. You can ask any globally recognized company about that one. A binary format means that unless if you got autistic asses, your proprietary code is safe. Even if they do crack it and find vulnerabilities, guess what, you got free QA from the community if you decide to reuse that code. What you are suggesting is that is simply impossible for a new game from the start to be designed with the idea that after main services has stopped there is no way to distribute any means of players being able to play their game privately and to that I say, again, you should not be let anywhere near the server infrastructure or architectural design in any capacity because you are a god damn ape.
You be glad I only just woke up and it's the weekend, or else I would've ripped you a new one because this shit is my job.

>>715917515
Is there any difference?

>>715916038 (OP)
Just make games that are not wholly dependent on a centralized server.

>>715916038 (OP)
That's NOT that we demand, we demand every developer to be KILLED in gas chambers, please read the faq next time

>>715917225
If you lie enough eventually it becomes the truth. Doesn't matter if said truth is real.

>>715916038 (OP)
Maybe if PirateSoftware and YandereDev joined forces they could finish a game

>>715917391
>which will be costly
How much do you think it cost to upload a few megabytes?
>increase the likelihood of cheating and hacking
Why would they give a fuck?

>>715918569
>How much do you think it cost to upload a few megabytes?
Quite a lot considering server code is shared between games. Every time they develop a new game they'll have to completely rewrite the server code from scratch to keep their games from getting torn open on day one.

>>715919260
Not neccersarily, Quake's server code has been quite secure and robust until several years later when CoD is STILL using the same server code. If you are nearing 30+ years of the same server code, you are an idiot.
As I also mentioned, you can also use the community as free penetration testing.

Have you guys considered that devs like me don't want to spend an hour or even two coding ways for you to make dedicated servers? It takes me like a month to figure out how to make sure you don't do that. And now you're telling me all that hard work is going to waste? You lost my vote.

>>715917225
It's because that's logically implied by the goals. If you genuinely wonder where it's coming while giving it serious thought, you're stupid. SKG mentions it immediately because it's actually a valid concern. Whatever you think about PirateSoftware, he raised a valid concern.

It will be debated in EU parliament, too. It's an essential part. In legal terms, not killing games NECESSARILY means the license is not fully and arbitrarily revocable when bought. I think that's a good thing, but it has OBVIOUS implications. Lawyers will understand why it's an issue immediately and likely favor SKG, but we need to answer what happens to games after support ends. The law cannot afford to be blind to this aspect. It will FAIL if it's blind to this aspect.

>>715919825
>It's because that's logically implied by the goals.
>SKG mentions it immediately because it's actually a valid concern.
If the actual initiative mentions it, and says it is specifically not asking for that, then how is it a concern still?

>>715919713
Don't worry. I'm sure the AI that will replace you can figure it out.

I am rooting for the side that doesnt have people shilling Asmongold on it

>>715917225
They are intentionally lying in the hopes of dissuading people from signing the initiative, since people are less likely to support something unreasonable.

>>715919926
Seriously think about it. If a movement to ban knives says it doesn't want to impact cooking, is that problem addressed?

>>715919825
>It's because that's logically implied by the goals.

>>715919825
A online game just needs a offline mode, that used to be the industry standard before Live Service Slop became trendy. The problem is just that easy to resolve.

>>715918538
YandereDev is unironically the better coder between those two extraordinary individuals.

>>715920104
see >>715920039
You can say a lot of things. It's a good clarification. It's a show of good faith, but the conversation doesn't end there.

>>715919825
Also another thing, despite saying about what it doesn't want specifically, it on the same token doesn't specify what the specific implementations should be because every game is different and a one best suits approach won't work. Ross in his videos always made that clear that's why the "vagueness" of specific implementation is the implementation itself, while being specific on what it DOESN'T want to achieve. Any company with a brain would want a vague implementation rule rather than a specific implementation rule since they can argue and have wiggle room on how to comply with the law.

>>715920039
Oh this fucking retarded comparison again.

>>715920039
>food analogy

>>715920190
If you didn't get the obvious problem without that analogy, maybe the analogy helps. It doesn't become less valid just because you hate it.

>>715920182
So the thing it's not about is actually what it's about because reality proves you wrong?

>>715920190
You're running defense where you don't need to. Ross didn't do anything wrong. The movement is good and it's likely to reach its goals. It's as specific as it needs to be. I think this issue will be addressed EASILY. It's still a real issue.

Pirate sissies how can it be... the movement was meant to fail and eat our entire ass
At best it will get all it asked for but nothing it wanted now

>>715920039
Nobody is banning knifes. What's being banned is knifes self destructing after 6 months for no reason.

>>715916038 (OP)

>>715920039
>>715920182
This is why they have representatives on both sides when it comes to the deliberation of the initiative by the way. That way, the people most affected by any law changes can put their case forward and have a debate.
However, anyone with any logical thinking skills can see that they are trying to hone into this one point when it in general is opening the door to conversation and exploring other options. Any software designer worth their salt is already trying to think of different implementation methods regarding it.

>>715920327
Your analogy is retarded specifically because the way SBK (Start banning knives) would be worded would be something like
>We are not asking for private use of knives or knives in a commercial kitchen setting to be banned, we are asking for knives carried in public to be enforced by law
Any reasonable lawmaker will look at this and find it reasonable and comply with it. If the cooking industry then starts shitting their pants over it, that would make them look as unhinged as the games industry is being right now.

>>715920484
I get it, it's a real issue, but one that is narrowing in one aspect instead of exploring other aspects which is the debate process of the initiative.

>>715920464
Or maybe, you're closing your eyes because you mistakenly believe you're defending a movement you believe in.

>>715920701
Why are you trying to argue against a thing which isn't about? Maybe try arguing against what it is about.

>>715920686
It's true, these issues are addressed in the process. That's why Ross doesn't need to be specific. I think even lawyers are likely sympathetic.
Which is why I don't know why people are barking at me either. It's completely unnecessary and disingenuous as fuck. It's arguably worse than shooting a messenger.

>>715920891
I think it's the way you are wording and asking the question over the past couple of threads, making it sound like that we have to answer these questions when it is up to the process now since the average anon probably doesn't have any real legal experience. It is also been an "issue" that has been a smoke screen tactic for a while by shills, so people are a bit more annoyed at this argument coming up over and over again.

>>715920686
By the way, the analogy works because it completely communicates a logical principle. Nit-picking it is something you do if you want to disagree for the sake of disagreeing. The goal of stop killing knives is unhinged, but the principle I'm talking about works for SKG, too.

>>715921035
No, it's because you have a shitty attitude towards it. You don't like hearing what I'm saying and I'm only being slightly dickish about it.

>>715916038 (OP)
>>people making a petition to demand game developers and companies be required to keep game servers online forever
How is that MY problem?

>>715920791
I'm arguing for truth as I see it. You're obviously free to argue I'm wrong, but I just don't see good rebuttals. Defend what you think I misrepresented. Don't just defend for the sake of defending.

>>715921239
I'm going to level with you, what is it that you actually want? Going back to your original post >>715919825
You bring up how it is logical by the end goals but then also mention that SKG already covered that case, which is the opposite of what Pirate Software brought up saying it is too vague, but you disagree with that assessment because quote:
>Whatever you think about PirateSoftware, he raised a valid concern.
It's not a valid concern because that's not pirate's point and even if his point was about that, the edge case is one that is already solved. Then your next quote
>but we need to answer what happens to games after support ends.
is invalid. "We" don't need to do fucking shit, the only thing "we" can do is offer alternating perspectives from our respective fields because we are all anonymous dipshits on a mongolian basket weaving forum that only have our own areas of expertise (Mine is in software development and maintenance, so I can only offer it from my perspective), we cannot and should not be speculating on the final law, all we can do is hope for outcomes that we want.
>The law cannot afford to be blind to this aspect. It will FAIL if it's blind to this aspect.
Which is why the debate process happens and I can imagine the SKG representatives will make it crystal clear that if that argument is brought up, that's not what they want in the final law.

Anon, I'll try engaging you in good faith but you gotta give some back: What do you want from us? The only thing we can do with our limited skillsets and knowledge is speculate on how the process will go, and asking us on legal specifics on something that has entire months of debates is not feasible.

>>715920701
What even is the big problem here, devs and publishers having to actually think about a simple offline mode before turning the game off? Oh noooooo

>>715921612
You're arguing for truth while lying?

>>715919825
Letting people create their own dedicated servers a la Counter-Strike "DEVS SHOULD SUPPORT ONLINE FOREVUR!!!"

>>715921813
PirateSoftware had many correct observations that were bad critiques of the movement. He was also wrong in some things and correct in other things. Some concerns were valid but not SKG's job to solve.
Doesn't that seem almost like a milquetoast take?
Not all bad, not all correct.

>>715922106
Which of his observations were correct?

>>715921841
My problem is that you've clearly not understood what I've been saying.

>>715916038 (OP)
We explained this thousands of times, Raj

>>715916038 (OP)
>people making a petition to demand game developers and companies be required to keep game servers online forever

literally not what the petition is about

>>715919260
Just patch the vulnerabilities in your new game, it's no different than not releasing the server code.

I see SKG more as
>Please revert time and make server browsers default again
And I agree with this statement. Shit was much better when we had servers.

>>715922180
You haven't said a single thing about what the actual issue here for the devs and publishers are other than "the law can be abused".

>>715916038 (OP)
>Keeping servers online forever
More like companies don't want to provide offline versions of their games.

>>715922106
Jesus fuck could you say anything less substantial?

>>715922106
> milquetoast take

"eat my whole ass "
"i will tell everyone not to vote for this "
"this is garbage salesman shit"

>>715922346
Hardly a critique when I call it milquetoast myself.

>>715922490
You didn't consider that I was talking about my own take about PirateSoftware being milquetoast? He went off the rails after people called him out. That's his biggest mistake. He would be fine if he could admit he was wrong about SKG and didn't understand the concept of a citizen's initiative.

>>715922519
You're entire statement there was a bunch of soft non statements.

>>715916038 (OP)
>NOOOOOO THE DEVS CAN'T JUST MAKE GAMES NOT REQUIRE CONSTANT CONNECTION TO A CENTRAL SERVER TO WORK!!!
>Games that came out from 90's to 2010's that allowed just that without any issues what so ever, giving players the ability to host their own servers in the process? yeah, that's lost tech.
My sides when this shit argument gets tossed around like a cheap whore. Top kek.

>>715922519
If you yourself realize you aren't saying anything with your statement before you click post then maybe you shouldn't click post.

>>715922648
No shit. Why the pushback?
My whole point is that you're actually dumb for pushing back.

>>715922148
How about you do the following. Watch his video. Look at his observations.
Give him charity when he's saying something that has an element of truth but it's "not SKG's problem"
If you find nothing, I question if you're acting in good faith. I thought he just wanted to be important and he was misguided.

He didn't understand what a citizen's initiative is and couldn't show any humility. He didn't understand the details of SKG at all, but he understood the concern associated with the process. He did understand that third party licensing was a problem. Again, details that can be addressed by law. He didn't have a coherent overarching argument, that I'll give you.

>>715922841
>what is shitposting
welcome to 4chan, enjoy your stay summerfag.

>>715916038 (OP)
reddit kids need to leave

>>715922889
Why would I respect the opinion of someone talking in nonstatements?

>>715922996
Jews are trying to get governments to fuck up gaming with this commie initiative, and you call the reddit card? Retarded ape.

>>715923065
Because if you choose to attack it, it's ridiculous. You might as well just not post a thing if you're going to attack a milquetoast statement.

>>715922889
>Give him charity when he's saying something that has an element of truth but it's "not SKG's problem"
Most of the arguments that have "truth" in them can be refuted easily by
>We are not forcing that aspect.
The arguments of "converting multiplayer games to single player games would suck", "running games forever is unfeasible" etc. would hold true... if it was forced. The fact these are potential options that are left in the developer's court means that they have the ultimate power on how they would go about it, which is the BEST outcome for developers and consumers, where consumers get their products and developers implement their own best practices. His "true" arguments are invalidated because they are only "half true". That's not a good argumentation, that's obfuscation of true goals through "what if" examples that is ultimately up to those affected to pursue. If a developer thinks the best way to comply is leave a server on maintenance mode forever, so be it. If a developer thinks that the best way is convert multiplayer to single player ala Final Fantasy XIV's trust system, so be it. The arguments he brings up is under the assumption that these would be forced, but these are solutions that are in the developer's hands.
The amount of truth in argument means fucking dogshit if there is an element of underhanded tactics to it.

>>715923259
>might as well just not post a thing
Yet here you are.

Anyone play knotbound by maldy?

>>715923461
You can probably get the same experience watching someone stream it since the gameplay sections are pretty barebones and most of it is "choose the correct decision".

>>715923357
I already said I think he didn't know all the facts of SKG and to me it just seems like he wanted to be important. What do YOU want from ME?

>>715923461
I don't play EA games, call me when it's finished

>>715923521
I'm just not understanding your position and why you are posting about us needing to discuss the legal impact of this when it is not up to us and all we can do is speculate. I can tell you are supportive of it, I appreciate that, but a lot of these concerns are already covered by the initiative and will probably be a massive part of the debate process. I just want some clarity from you on what your position actually entails, because right now we are debating the veracity of pirate's takes which is, from my perspective, full of pilpul bullshit splitting hairs and conveniently ignoring the parts of the initiative that would answer his questions, even the ones that have nuggets of truth in them.

Concern over a certain aspect over the initiative is valid, but there are certain concerns that are already covered, already explained and will be scrutinized. Again, the most we can speculate and debate among ourselves with our limited knowledge. I think that at the end of the day we are coming at this from different perspectives, where you see truth in pirate's arguments and I come from the perspective that those truths mean shit if it is only true in specific contexts that are either out of scope or do not consider the entire scope. This clashing in of itself is not healthy, but I do hope that we can reach a state where we are content with each other's position. I appreciate the clarity you have brought forward, I just don't agree with it still.

>>715917391
>they will be forced to keep old, dead games up that nobody cares about
>server binaries aren't a thing
retard

>>715923094
Kid, it's summer. You should be out playing with your friends instead of trying to an internet warrior in some gay reddit charade. This is like Kony 2012 all over again. Literally no one will remember this shit in 2 years.

Why is there an irish language option on stopkillinggames?

>>715924013
There's two things that are completely inseparable from my core personality. I just don't like the obvious bullshit thrown around because it's the popular opinion. I deeply dislike the idea that people can't handle the slightest devil's advocacy. These are a part of who I am.
And, I'll return the appreciation. You're the only person who has given half good pushback. I appreciate it.

I want good pushback since I have a slightly unpopular spin to my otherwise kind of actually popular opinion. You're the only person in the thread that changed my mind about anything. That was when I said I think Thor didn't have a coherent overarching point in his video. That warrants critique. It was rambling nitpicking with wrong facts. He should've apologized for that.

>>715924261
to stop paddy from throwing a hissy fit

>>715924261
Why not?

>>715924909
dead language that only petulant paddies speak

>>715924543
Glad that we can at least reach this point, and I understand the idea of playing the devil's advocate, I do that a quite a bit myself with regards to other debate topics that I do have a bit more knowledge on outside of my profession. It does also offer an opportunity to steelman arguments against potential loopholes and unintended effects, which is entirely healthy for something like this. I just personally think the arguments presented are weak and shows how well written everything has been. I'll apologize for my previous responses, I'm just sick of these threads being filled with debates that rely on pedantic reasoning instead of core issues that I do a get bit heated in my responses, that's just my default on here on this entire site because most arguments are over complete faggot non-issues. It gets even worse with threads like this that are just filled with bad faith arguments and disgusting bullshit that I am immediately on "fuck this shit" mode that sometimes I do forget I am talking to an actual human on the other side.

In any case, getting to know your position and perspective better, has made me more aware of your concerns and to think upon them, I just keep coming back to the conclusion that is ultimately doesn't matter in my eyes because the process itself covers most of the concerns, which of itself come from a bad faith position. One of the more calmer debates I've had in a while with this wind down now.

>>715918538
>>715920179
>YandereDev is unironically the better coder
This

>>715924909
Only 71,000 people speak Irish daily

>>715919713
>us vs them
this is why you're hated

>>715917225
>I do not understand where that argument actually came from
They don't have any other way to argue against something so objectively good, so they lie about it instead.

>>715925141
>because the process itself covers most of the concerns
It's true, and I readily admitted it many times. The process accounts for most of these concerns. A certain PirateSoftware didn't get that memo at all.

>>715925185
Your autistic commitment to the topic is fascinating

why retards keep falling for these shitty ops?

>>715925368
Yeah, which is why dunking on him is also so funny because he can't admit shit. For me though, it's how many individual communities he has somehow pissed off even before the past month's newest drama cycle.

>>715925185
Ok, but you didn't give me an answer.

>>715916038 (OP)
why you're defending him and acknowledging his misinformation as the true one? lmao aqua newfag

>>715925414
Y'know how for a regular /v/ thread that if it is a positive thread about something it dies instantly (unless if it holds some memetic value like the SKG celeberation threads getting the 1 mil mark or snoot game sticky), but bait threads hit bump limit? It's that kind of thing.

>>715917391
>which will be costly
no
>and increase the likelihood of cheating and hacking
who cares they aren't running it anymore, that's up to the private server operator and that's still preferable to just shutting the game down

>>715916038 (OP)
>demand game developers and companies be required to keep game servers online forever
Not what's being asked. Do your research before making assumptions.

I've been putting in false signatures for the past week. Really hope this fails.

>>715916038 (OP)
I'm going to laugh my ass off if this passes and all it does is make it so that the EU doesn't get good live service games anymore. Like they just decide to not provide service to any country with this in place. Imagine the outrage when the idiots that were on the side of this passing can't play games with the rest of the world anymore.

>>715925907
>good live service games
like what

>SKG
Is this still going on?
A few days ago they were shouting "We won" so I thought it was over already.

95% of this thread have no idea what the goal of this petition is. It has nothing to do with keeping games online forever whatsoever.

>>715925907
I already signed, no need to convince me harder

>>715925907
>companies giving up the entirety of the EU in terms of profits instead of actually changing how things work

>>715926027
The celebration is clearing over the goal by quite a bit, we still gotta wait for it to officially close, the sigs to be counted properly, then the rest of the process can begin.

>>715926059
95% of the faggots here aren't even able to sign it.
So it checks out.

>>715925907
>I can't wait until this passes and us corpos that are already heading into a crash will speed it up by leaving money on the table
I also can't wait for this, it won't happen though, you will kneel just like Apple did.

The worst thing to happen recently is the guy who does the tracking site changed 1,400,000 from 100% of votes to 140% of votes
We were on 99% when he made the change, so we won't get a satisfying "100%". That little avenue of joy is lost forever

How to make everyone happy
>1. Class the sunsetted games as "Abandonware"
>2. People can do whatever they want to them, including reverse engineering and private server hosting with no legal repercussions.
The publishers don't have to do shit, and your shitty live service games are saved.

>>715916038 (OP)
You: -idea about reality-
many others: -corrects the idea-
You: -stays with original idea-

You only have one brain to think with. Are you suggesting your brain is like a cosmic mind and much better in observing reality than 100s of brains here?
There is a slight hint of arrogance in basically saying "everybody else is wrong", just saying. This isn't something you should be proud of, but I do need to say it is impressive you keep up with this idea instead and its good that you do not feel pressured into believing otherwise.

But for crying out loud, consider the possibility that you might be wrong for once.

>>715925907
>good live service games
All 0 of them?

>>715926449
Considering it's the EU, it would also be a cool compromise if companies had to provide a A-F classification on how usable their product is after support ends.
That would also throw a bone to good companies.

>>715926449
This doesn't do shit.
>Why?
Because you need army of autistic faggots who care about the game in the first place to fix something that should not be a problem in the first place.
If the majority of data is server side there little hope of getting working game once the plug is pulled.

>>715918538
>>715920179
>>715925178
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-xJjiS4wcA
(Old Clip) How Pirate Software treats his Dad that works at Blizzard. - YouTube

>>715926965
Have you seen the one where his dad says if he'd beat him as a kid he might have turned out better

>>715922810
its not even a good argument. there have been several online-only games that have been convereted to offline with no issue at all. so this
>nuuuuu it will cost a gorillion dollars to convert
is bullshit

SAAAARRR DO NOT REDEEM THE BLOODY PETITION SARRR FUCK YOU BLOODY

>>715923979
8 more years

>>715916038 (OP)
Because you're selling me this shit. Plain and simple.

If your trash was free. But free for real. I wouldn't give a shit. I can't say I lost anything other than time playing your trash. Fair enough.

But no stupid. You fucking charge me real life money to pay your fucking shit. Your pay to win turd is modeled specifically so everyone spend at the very least 10 dollars on it. So if I'm paying for your fucking piec eof shit, you owe me the service. Yes, you read that right fucktard. YOU FUCKING OWE ME THE FUCKING SERVICE. Because I fucking paid you. If you want me to be fine with you closing your piece of shit after a while then give me back my fucking money. Then I'll shut up.

But of course you won't. No corporation wiull ever stop at the possibility of stealing money if they can get away with it. WELL NOT THIS TIME MOTHERFUCKER. I WON'T ACCEPT IT IN PEACE.

>>715927319
It's because the cloud is magic sky computing instead of just a few PCs

>>715917391
I laugh at this stupid argument.

You dropped support for the game already idiot. Why do you care if they cheat and hack it. Just fucking release the source code so people can still play it. It's just that. No one is asking you to keep patching it forever so your stupid pay to win missions are fair. We just want the fucking server that hosts our hacked games. There will be people who will make sure there are antihacked servers. There will be people who will make broken as fuck servers. But none of that is your problem anymore. You fulfilled your side of the contract by providing a mean to have the game still playable. That's the end of it.

>>715916038 (OP)
*outsell your closed server game by 70 to 1*
Nothing personnel

>>715926526
>t. poor

>>715926015
Just because you're a jaded piece of shit that can't enjoy online games doesn't mean the rest of us are. Stop being a faggot.

>>715927279
These grifters have no shame. And people still watch this drama slop... pathetic.

>>715916038 (OP)
That's not what they're asking for you disingenuous corporate ass-licker

>>715927584
Literally no good game has ever been shut down before its time. Only wokeslop shit ever gets shut down fast because there's literally no interest in it.

>>715916038 (OP)
I'm not "with Piratesoftware" but I am strongly against this idiocy.
Cucks supporting this have never developed any worthwhile software in their lives.

>>715928446
I'm addicted to pirateslop. I can't get through a day of work without a chud logic stream mindlessly dabbing on him. He is the best lolcow since cyrax for me

shills mad.

>>715928546
>before its time
So you're OK with games disappearing forever because you have a "i'm ok with this date".

>>715927279
>Criticize my code?
>I wrote it in game maker studio so I guess that makes all your criticisms invalid dipshit, did I tell you I was the first second gen blizzard employee

>>715926965
This is brutal. Extremely embarrassing.

>>715928987
>Its mad on purpose chud! Its part of an epic ARG. You actually get TWO games when you buy my game

The official name of his ARG is knotbound btw

>>715928580
What is idiotic about it?

Why they're killing bideo gaming??

WHY DID THEY KILLED MY DEADBAYDAYLITE MOBILEE??? ;-;

I ONLY CAN PLAY ON MA PHONE

>>715927875
How dare you speak to a game dev that way! Also buy steal a car 46. It's worse than steal a car 45 but we deleted that one.

>>715925907
Yeah yeah you retarded amerimutt. Just like how apple is just gonna stop selling islop in Europe

>>715928987
If he'd made it in RPG Maker he wouldn't get half the shit he does

>>715929151
It's a massive overreach where boomers would bureaucratize and micro-manage software development.
Both the scope and focus of this are completely wrong.
Besides, they're asking for more regulations from EU bureaucrats, who are literally shitting and pissing themselves trying to introduce shit like ChatControl, mandatory software audits for all software, internet IDs, and make erode privacy in general. What could go wrong.

>>715925840
>admitting to a federal crime
Woops!

>>715916038 (OP)
Pirates already figured out how to make games playable offline, retard. Prime example: Northgard. Northgard became such fucking clownshow that you can't even play the single-player roguelite mode without connecting to their servers, among other retarded nonsense that was pushed to turn it into a live-service mobile game

>>715927290
No because that never happened.

>>715928412
I'm playing a game online right now retard, one that has same system and local wireless multiplayer, live service is gay for not having those options

>>715929493
It's harder to LARP as an ebin haxxor cooder on stream in front of 3 million smoothbrains on youtube while you script in in RPG Maker because muh cooderino le scary

>>715919260
thankfully there is no other program in existence used by millions of businesses and private users while having its source code open to the public
just imagine all the vulnerabilities that would be exploited!

>>715929561
1) Not every game has a dedicated autist who can do that
2) This will make it legal to do such a thing rather than hoping the corpos don't strike it down.

>>715919713
Why are you making an online only game that stops functioning at EoS anyways?

You still haven't learned how read have you faggot. STK is not asking for companies to invest in a games online infrastructure forever, they are asking for companies to provide an alternative once the servers go offline (offline modes, private servers, p2p, community led servers). This petition is going to succeed Thor, spamming 4chan everyday about it won't change that. Nobody except for egotistical industry hacks like you want this petition to fail, and you definitely aren't going to find people agreeing with you here on /v/ of all places.

>>715929619
Reminder that his "hacking" credentials boil down to him being a paneer call center scammer.
Sir pls send me the password.

>>715926965

>>715928412
can you answer the question?

>>715917225
>Are game studios ran by apes?
Most of the time, they don't know about videogames and server infraestructure, they know how to make money, which consist in getting everything as cheap as possible and lying to everyone.

>>715920647
>future games
ooorrrrrrr how about we DON'T design games with the requested change in mind and thus claim SKG is asking for the impossible.

t. Yves

>>715917225
>Are game studios ran by apes?
yes, for example; tech has been in a retarded nuclear arms race against brain dead code monkeys, if devs of 2002 had the tech of 2005 we'd have some really cool shit

>>715929592
Yah. It is. I have the video downloaded but it's too big to upload and I don't even know if /v/ allows MP4 with sound

>>715930384
>I don't even know if /v/ allows MP4 with sound
it doesn't, but you can upload it to /wsg/ and link it here

>>715929796
Yeah, it's really cringe.
Social engineering is actually super important for hackers, and some of the biggest hacks in history relied on it, but sending phishing emails for companies doesn't make you a hacker. He's clearly just trying to look a lot more important than he actually was. Appearing more important than he is is his entire personality.

>>715930686
Good idea. Looking into it, fucking image limit is reached on the thread for webms with sound for other boards. I will explore other options

>>715927290
Never heard that one, but if he said that, he was 100% right.
>>715930384
>>715930931
You can also catbox it, maybe after reducing the size. I'd be interested in hearing that.

>>715930686
>>715930931
Okay image limit there is 6mb, this is still bigger than that

>>715916038 (OP)

Simply don't make games that require a centralized online server.
>oy vey how can I sell them overpriced microtransaction bullshit then???
Not my problem.

>>715916038 (OP)

No ones telling them to keep servers up forever. Theyre telling them to give players options to host private servers and stuff so that when the game company ends the games life that people still have options to play it.

>>715930693
Important does not mean impressive or difficult.
Garbage collecting and is important too.
In fact I have more respect for garbage collectors than I do for Jason. They're providing an essential service and it is physical hard work.

>>715930931
Keep making excuses bitch nigger.
Stop lying. You're acting like Jason right now. You lied, for called out and then double down on your lie

>>715931173
No, they don't do that, you disingenuous faggot. They are telling them to spend their resources and develop and maintain software solutions for players to host private servers and stuff when the company ends the game's life, all for free.
If they just made it legal to host private servers and reverse engineer games, I'd be all for it, but they're just expecting others to do a fuckton of extra work that has no benefit pertaining to their product or business at, and to do it for free. No reasonable dev would support this.

>>715916038 (OP)
i'm fine with companies not wanting to support their games anymore provided they don't put a target on community members making private servers so people can keep playing the game, that sounds like a fair deal to me

>>715931686
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU DON'T UDNERSTAND YOU HAVE TO MAKE THEM CREATE THE SERVERS FOR YOU FOR FREE YOU CORPORATE BOOTLICKER YOU CAN'T TAKE ON ANY MORE RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES, YOU HAVE TO TAKE AWAY OTHERS' RIGHTS INSTEAD !!111!11!1

>>715931578
No, they don't need "software solutions" disingenuous faggot they can just repurpose the ones used when developing the game because all of it already exists and used for testing.

they don't have to keep servers online to make it playable forever

>>715931380
>You lied, for called out and then double down on your lie
>TEE HEE HEE I KNOW YOU'RE RIGHT BUT BECAUSE WE LIVE ON WEB 3.0 IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND A FUCKING VIDEO CLIP ONLINE AND NOW I GET TO PRETEND IT DOESN'T EXIST
Fag shit

>>715917225
game studios are capitalists who think they should have the right to control your purchases. That's it.

>>715932370
Still haven't posted it btw.
Go on then. It's not that hard lil tard nugget.
You have the clip after all, don't you? Just upload it and post a link

>>715932168
The difference between in-house or backend server vs. something released to end users is fucking huge. Besides, they don't even have the rights to release the same program because of licensing, even if they wanted to. And nobody should be forced to release their backend ever.

>>715931054
Are you talking about p2p? If you are, then i'm confident in calling you retarded.

>>715931578
>If they just made it legal to host private servers and reverse engineer games, I'd be all for it, but they're just expecting others to do a fuckton of extra work that has no benefit pertaining to their product or business at, and to do it for free. No reasonable dev would support this.
yup thats right, it costs a little extra to protect basic consumer rights. i bet itd be easy and cheap for companies to dump their toxic waste in the middle of the streets but they have to spend money to actually properly dispose of it or theyre breaking the law. same goes for customers, you shouldnt be able to fuck them over because its cheap and easy to do so. fuck you.

>>715932641
>And nobody should be forced to release their backend ever!
>because....because they just shouldn't okay?!!!?!? Cool it with the antisemitism!

I don't see it working regardless of pissass shitface's stupid opions

>>715932698
meant for
>>715931095

>>715932954
>このサービスは欧州連合からご利用になりません。
>m(__)m