Thread 715926458

How many of you genuinely like this game or just consider it a badge of honor, given that it's the hardest From game by a large margin?

/v/ will say anything w/o a quest compass is hard. its just a good game

>>715926458 (OP)
>given that it's the hardest From game by a large margin
Just the fact that so many Fromfags think this tells me that a lot of them play the other games by watching "how to get overpowered in less than an hour" and "most overpowered _____ builds" videos beforehand.

I think it's extremely fun and it's the only From game I've beaten 4 times.

>>715926458 (OP)
It is my favorite From game, hands down. I love the setting, the atmosphere, the music, the Japanese voice acting, the fact that there aren't any stats to level, the whole thing. Love the map design too.

>>715926458 (OP)
I mean, if you remove the difficulty aspect out of the equation, the game doesn't have much else to offer, the story is still minimal and uninteresting, the gameplay mechanics are barebones. The interconnected level design is nice though, I suppose.

But ultimately, the real reason people jerk it off so much is the bragging rights they get for beating it.

>>715926868
basically this

>>715926458 (OP)
My conclusion after playing it was that it was shit other than the boss fights.

>>715926458 (OP)
Sekiro is that sterling combination of not fun and difficult. Anyone who says they like it are lying.

>>715926989
>if you remove the difficulty aspect out of the equation, the game doesn't have much else to offer
It's a game about combat challenges. That's the point. It's fun and satisfying to meet a challenge, learn how it works and beat it.
Removing the difficulty from literally any game would make it boring and pointless, except for creative/building/sim stuff

inb4 ER fags come and say ER is harder when they refuse to use half of the game mechanics

People only like the meme difficulty of these games and nothing else.

>>715927314
Sekiro is only "hard" if you play it exactly as the devs intended. Doing anything else completely breaks the AI.

>>715927113
I have fun and gain satisfaction knowing that I'm good at it and you (yes YOU) are not.

>>715926458 (OP)
>>715927113
My main issue with Sekiro is you're supposed to die a fuckton to learn how to play because you have no hp even with the revive, yet the game punishes you so much for dying, it just feels spiteful.
>you lose money and exp permanently on death, with no way to recover them
>spirit emblems are not restocked at checkpoints, once you run out you either farm or stop using your tools altogether
>dragonrot, yeah it's more of a plot device but still annoying, "look at all these NPC's getting sick because you're so bad at the game"
>many bosses are surrounded by 10+ mooks that you MUST clear out before attempting the boss (which will kill you in 20 sec btw) every single time, resulting in some of the worst runbacks in From history
>need to fight the shitter before the final boss every single time, just put a checkpoint ffs it adds nothing

>>715927473
I mean yeah you can cheese him but he's also not difficult to beat if you have mikiri counter.

I love it. I am just one trophy away from getting the platinum. It's one of my favorite games.

Its not as hard as you think it is. You can beat it if you enjoy it enough to dig into its systems. If you don't enjoy it there's nothing wrong with that.

>>715927416
What exactly is "meme difficulty"?
Something you specifically don't enjoy?

>>715926458 (OP)
I liked it a lot at first but it got old fast and very repetitive. It's the only From Souls game I never replayed.

The gameplay is great. The world is one of From's worst DESU. It's the only one I ever struggle to navigate

>>715927594
Also Elden Ring is way harder. Mostly due to absolutely terrible boss design. Sekiro is a perfect example if input reading done right.

>>715927740
Forgot pic. I'll get the plat on my steam deck on my next plane ride

>>715926458 (OP)
I like it and demand another parry game NOW. Only From game where it feels like you're actually fighting the enemy on equal ground.

>>715927823
>Only From game where it feels like you're actually fighting the enemy on equal ground.
This is a perfect description.

>>715926458 (OP)
never played it I hate souls likes

I've been playing it this week a lot
I started off terrible and wanted to quit so many times, I just didn't get it
Especially when I got to genichiro
But it's amazing, I beat the guardian ape and I've got the mortal blade now too and I'm feeling pretty good about things now, I can feel that I've improved
The fight from the image made me laugh

sekiro is one of my favorite games of all time. it's amazing and anyone who doesn't like it is genuinely a limpwristed faggot

>>715927823
>it feels like you're actually fighting the enemy on equal ground
Nah, it's pretty video-gamey.
>fight Seven Spears
>dude is easily twice your size and his spear is as big as a lamppost
>can still parry all of his attacks easily without being crushed by real life physics
I get that's it's a power fantasy but this shit's still dumb

>>715926458 (OP)
best game from has and will ever make. very low chance of it getting a sequel now that from is making piss easy games for the mentally impaired, but thats a good thing imo, because from is making piss easy games for the mentally impaired now.

>>715928029
>video game is video gamey
Whoa. What a piece of shit where is my movie game?

>>715926458 (OP)
>a game where you can just pause the game and set your stuff without any interruption
>hardest From game
hmmm I don't know about that paisano

>>715926458 (OP)
The gameplay is fun but the world is boring.

I'm just not a fan of asian aesthetics.

>>715928000
The game is a bit counterintuitive at first, but all you really need to do is:
>plant yourself in front of an enemy, don't move
>keep pressing right bumper until they parry your attack (big clang + orange spark)
>get ready to parry, the window is pretty big at 500ms, so don't parry late (like in say Expedition 33), press the button a bit in advance
>repeat from step 2
>when you see the red kanji (which is JP for DANGER), you'll need to jump or mikiri (dodge into the attack), there are also grabs but those are very rare

>>715926458 (OP)
The genius thing this game did is camouflage a perfect shield as a katana
So many normies out there that think they are hot shit for basically beating a FROM game with what's essentially a training wheels sword and shield build

>>715926458 (OP)
I love it

>>715928305
Thanks, yeah, I've gotten the hang of those things now
I had to train myself to not back out of there like other souls games and to be aggressive

>>715928421
Based did you beat the boss rushes?

>>715926458 (OP)
it's easily one of the best games not only by fromsoft but in general considering all things. the graphics, gameplay, environments, writing. make all the zanzibart jokes you want but they fucking killed every other game by making the perfect platform rhythm combat game and I want either a sequel or lightning realm DLC

>>715928029
You understand that all the bosses and whatnot are huge compared to you so you can see their attack telegraphs right?

Reminder

>>715926458 (OP)
I fucking love this game. Easily the best game of the last 20 years and it pisses me off From has been jerking off ER with no sequel in sight.

>>715926693
Same. I've beaten it at least half a dozen times and then modded it to keep it fresh.

>>715928574
It's not a problem with Emma or the purple ninjas who are your size. Or the ghost waifu, I'm sure there are others.

>>715928029
>>can still parry all of his attacks easily without being crushed by real life physics
>I get that's it's a power fantasy but this shit's still dumb
it's almost like wolf is some sort of super ninja trained since childhood to be able to overcome any weight class or power with superior dexterity . . . hmmmmmm

>>715928506
yeah but sadly I cheesed the demon of hatred because he filtered me

>>715926458 (OP)
I genuinely love this game, I play games for enjoyment, not for "badges of honor" whatever that means.

>>715927572
Would you say it punishes you for being bad at the game? Perhaps punishes not learning anything or trying something new, when it didn't work the last 5 times? As though the game expects you to get good? Acquire Skills even?

>>715926680
to be fair i played all souls games blind (after sekiro) recently and i pretty much agree, at least for bosses
DS1 underleveled capra demon fucked me and there were some struggles here and there but i dont think i died to anything there as much as i died to sekiro bosses in my first time around
DS2 normal areas can be tough but its not bad generally, bosses arent hard
DS3 felt like a joke, normal enemies were trivial and bosses were either the stalest gimmick fight or "roll forward and win", bar maybe double demons and friede which still werent hard

havent played elden ring yet
>>715927473
thats a specific thing that wont work on 95% bosses
if you figure out a specific thing against every boss then sure it breaks the game but who the fuck actually does that in their first playthrough? thats either seeing a guide or getting your shit kicked in 15 times until you figure it out material

>>715926458 (OP)
>genuinely like this game
yes
>consider it a badge of honor
nigger what? no, my status in society, income bracket, and specified desirable skillset are a badge of honor. you really think real human beings are stretching their dick over children's toys? this is a game a video game yes. it's a sophisticated children's game. this is like saying you consider it a badge of honor to win rubiks cube speed solving tournaments. or monopoly tournaments. or mahjong tournaments. you're fucking retarded aren't you? Otherwise immaculate bait.

>>715926458 (OP)
>it's the hardest From game by a large margin
Hard disagree.

It's one of my favorite games of all time. Once the flow of combat clicks it's not even all that dick crushingly hard. I can do a quick run to have a chill, comfy time albeit I've beat it 4 times plus completed all the gauntlets of strength.

>>715929401
Not sure what's your point, some of the things I mentioned like the spirit emblems being limited, punish experimenting, which is odd in a game that's entirely trial and error. Just cut all BS and let me practice the boss.

>>715926458 (OP)
I love it.

>>715926458 (OP)
>it's the hardest From game by a large margin
Strongly disagree. Let me fight O&S and Isshin or Demon (or even both) back to back and I'll die more to O&S easily.

>>715928974
I'm sorry anon, but you didn't beat the game. Guess it was too hard for you, but that's okay, you can play Elden Ring instead.

>>715928305
It depends though. Some enemies will break your guard easily if you try to block everything, so you have to dodge. Other enemies need to be softened up before you can start doing real posture damage. Depends on who you're fighting.

>>715929919
>Some enemies will break your guard easily if you try to block everything, so you have to dodge.
You still receive posture damage even when you parry, don't worry about your posture bar being full, that's completely normal. The caveat is you cannot be guard broken as long as you keep parrying. That said, if you're worried about accidentally blocking you can back off for a bit and hold block for a few sec to regen your posture.

>>715927572
>you lose money and exp permanently on death, with no way to recover them
You lose only half of your current skill bar, spend your skill points and this is never a problem. Also the amount of exp required for a skill point only increases permanently once you spend them, so even if you lose like 5 skill points, you can easily regain them since the required amount doesn't change until you've spent them. NPCs sell money bags so you don't lose money when you die.

>spirit emblems are not restocked at checkpoints, once you run out you either farm or stop using your tools altogether
You can buy them at the Idols, however I do agree they should be free on rest.

>dragonrot, yeah it's more of a plot device but still annoying, "look at all these NPC's getting sick because you're so bad at the game"
This is just annoying.

>many bosses are surrounded by 10+ mooks that you MUST clear out before attempting the boss (which will kill you in 20 sec btw) every single time, resulting in some of the worst runbacks in From history
What are you talking about? Most bosses have an Idol right next to them with no enemies in between. Only Gyoubu requires runbacks, and running past enemies in Sekiro is super easy because you're so mobile.

>need to fight the shitter before the final boss every single time, just put a checkpoint ffs it adds nothing
He's there for story reasons but for gameplay reasons it's to test what you learned and to give you free resurrection before facing Isshin.

>>715926458 (OP)
It's a great game, although it doesn't have as much replayability as Souls games because the main gameplay features are always the same, with the customisable stuff being either gimmicky or situational.
I'm not such a masochist that I would try the bell or charmless challenge but I guess there's that.

>>715929863
I first tried O&S when I played DS1 for the first time, I was wearing a full Havel set and using Black Knight Sword, the fight was a complete joke.

Sure, I had since replayed the game a bunch of times with less cheesy builds (including a clothing only thief build) but the point is DS1 is far too easy to break.

>>715929794
Only the very beginning of the game has the problem you're describing. Lady Butterfly, Guardian Ape, Corrupted Monk, Genichiro, both Owls, Demon of Hatred, and the last boss you can just grind them.
>but i have to fight genichiro again to grind isshin!
Yes that's the boss's first phase. What do you want a fucking save state every time you beat a phase?

>>715929919
>>715930141
You can also miss a parry on purpose on the last hit of a combo, so you get posture broken while the enemy is recovering.

>>715926680
That makes a lot of sense anon
I found it roughly the same difficulty as the Dark Souls games, you just can't cheap it out with cheapass meta builds ir overlevelling

>>715930224
>What are you talking about? Most bosses have an Idol right next to them with no enemies in between.
Shinobi Hunter
Drunkard
Seven Spears

The worst examples and all early game, giving the player a very bad first impression.

>>715926458 (OP)
>it's the hardest From game by a large margin
It's not even close to the hardest, you can get through pretty much all of it spamming L1
People say "oh it's hard when you first start but when you understand how to play it gets easy" but we always knew it was a parry game. People going into it trying to play it like souls were always retarded and like I said it was never that difficult

>>715929802
I first tried O&S when I played DS1 for the first time, I was wearing a full Havel set and using Black Knight Sword, the fight was a complete joke.

Sure, I had since replayed the game a bunch of times with less cheesy builds (including a clothing only thief build) but the point is DS1 is far too easy to break.

>>715926458 (OP)
i genuinely enjoy it, but i don't really see how it's the hardest fromslop
i do like action games a lot thoughever, i've played most of them, so i'm built different from the average fromdrone

>>715926458 (OP)
I thought Elden Ring was significantly harder especially if you don't use ashes or super cheesy weapons.
Honestly I'd put DS3 (DLCs) above Sekiro in difficulty too.

>>715930456
You mean mini-bosses, well most of them are optional, if they are too annoying come back later when you're stronger, but many of them can be easier if you stealth your way around the enemies.

sex with Kuro

>>715930464
The point is you can't just slap on Havel or equip Fingerprint Shield and bruteforce your way through the game. No co-op either. Also, you're permanently at 15-25-ish vigor lmao

>>715930702
>Elden Ring is harder when you don't use half of the mechanics and weapons
I guess? But we're talking regular playthroughs not challenge runs. Sekiro is even harder if you don't use tools or techniques like mikiri (yes, you can actually parry the thrusts, but it's much harder).

>>715930776
>Havel or equip Fingerprint Shield
Never used either of those so I can't comment on that
Parrying is easier than timing rolls (especially in later entries) and parrying in sekiro is also easier than parrying in souls

>>715930456
These are all optional fights, and only Seven Spears is missable and even then only late in the game.

>>715930880
>y-y-you did a challenge run!
And you didn't beat the game

>>715930751
>>715930994
Shinobi Hunter and Drunkard are not optional, unless you consider the entirety of Hirata estate optional. Tediously stealth killing all their adds every time you die is annoying af

Also, I forgot to mention the Headless bosses, you need an expensive (and limited before the end game) consumable to even try the boss at all. Again, I just wish the game didn't have these "fuck you" moments. It's not about difficulty, it's just tedium.

>>715931286
I love Sekiro but yeah those were pretty shit encounters. There's also the fact that none of the beginning bosses are very good tutorials except for Gyoubu. The ogre and bull are unmissable, early, and terrible at teaching you what makes the game fun.

>>715926458 (OP)
legitimately kino game and I'm so disappointed we never got a dlc. I am absolutely 100% convinced that malenia in elden ring was originally supposed to be tomoe and they just repurposed whatever they had made.

>>715931286
fromdrones have a melty over posts like this but i agree with you on juzou the drunkard, he's early game and has like 8 adds, if you want to actually engage with the mechanics and learn his moveset there's no shot, you're encouraged to just be as cheesy as possible, try to get as many stealth kills as possible, it's not good action game design

sekiro showed me from could make an actually good action game but they just choose not to time after time

>>715931407
Apparently you can parry the bull, but I always just slash at his ass. Why bother taking fire damage when there's another way.

>>715927416
sounds more like you dont like them because of the difficulty and are projecting

>>715926458 (OP)
>How many of you genuinely like this game
I like it enough to replay it every few years, but not enough to finish the final guantlet.

>>715931286
Hirata is optional yes, but I won't disagree that it's annoying to fight the mini-bosses there, at least you get that based samurai against Juzou.
The limited confetti is also bad, but you do get unlimited confetti right as you get to fountainhead which I woulld say is not really end game.

>>715931763
>heart icon on far right is grey, meaning it's not marked as a 'favorite' game
how to spot a fake fan

>>715926458 (OP)
>How many of you genuinely like this game
me
>given that it's the hardest From game by a large margin?
it's not

>>715931943
I have never used that function in my life because I don't treat my Steam account like boomers treat their facebook accounts.

>>715931943
what the fuck does that mean, bro if you know any of that shit about steam profiles you're a fucking tranny

No ending in any game has ever made me personally feel like a piece of shit more than Shura ending.

>>715932004
>>715932059
The heart button adds the games to the favorites collection which is always the first one, making it easier to find them later, e.g. when someone asks what games do you like.

Anyway, it was a cheeky remark, don't overthink it lmao

>>715932220
Why? Emma and Isshin aren't exactly good people.

>>715931286
>>715931496
>this will never be made for sekiro but it just applies to every miniboss' adds
https://www.nexusmods.com/eldenring/mods/6988

>>715932220
doubt it

>>715932320
>making it easier to find them later
Easier than just looking in alphabetical order? No matter what justification you give it's a retarded function.

>>715932420
Huh? What did Emma do wrong?

>>715926458 (OP)
thought it looked boring as shit limits the player to like a sword and little else its a bad nioh

>>715932630
i don't know if you realized, but emma is a w*man

>>715932420
They're living in a war torn environment, there are no 'good' people, but they're probably the closest thing to it. Their extra dialogue from giving them drinks humanizes them a lot despite their generally cold demeanor. And their deaths just seem so pathetic, killing a young girl and an old man literally on his death bed just because your adopted daddy told you to (even though he's the biggest piece of shit in the shit heap).

Sekiro is my favorite game to replay. You can get through it quite fast and painlessly.

>>715931286
Hirata estate is in fact optional

>>715932630
1. Lying to Wolf
2. Experimenting on Wolf(that's why she knows so much about dragon rot)
3. Made the gourd that uses the dangerous waters

>>715932838
During that time Japan was like the modern day Africa, numerous warlords, constantly changing government, endless violence. Who's to say that Isshin Ashina is better or worse than the ones before and after him?

Emma should've just walked though.

>>715926458 (OP)
It's the best one by far, but it is not the hardest

>>715933090
Emma never did anything out of malice or greed, she only helped you and she lied to you because she didn't want you to die either. She even finds a cure for dragonrot, hell if they had more time Genichiro's plan might even have worked to save Ashina.

It's my favourite and it's not necessarily the most difficult. Just the most difficult to cheese if you suck at these type of games

>>715934497
When giving Emma sake she implies shes the one who messed Wolf up. And the well the game starts in leads to the Abandoned Dungeon, where human experiments are done.

>>715926458 (OP)
I think Elden Ring was a lot harder but I like Sekiro a lot more.

Not saying shes ontologically evil, but given the circumstances she did some shady shit.

Kino game.

i think i played it for badge of honor reasons because its the only fromsoft game i beat once then never ever touched again, like just wanted to show how hardcore i was and beat it. it honestly wasnt that much fun of a gaming experience becauae i hate parrying in souls games so i beat the game purely by hit and run and it was awful

>>715935528
thats the worst possible way to play. give it another chance.

its from best game, as far as gameplay. bloodborne is second and surpasses it in style, but sekiro is still the better game.

other from games are harder but thats only because the gameplay is way shittier. like elden ring wanted to have sekiro and bloodborne bosses without the sekiro and bloodborne combat so i guess thats harder, but really i would just say its horribly designed.

but i guess a lot of the hardest games are just really poorly designed games.

>>715926458 (OP)
>hardest From game by a large margin
AC6 was harder,
pretty sure 4 and 5 were also harder but that might be due to console jank and not gameplay

>>715935591
i dunno why i just dont like this type of parrying, in bloodborne i was absolutely fine with gun parrying and enjoyed doing it but im guessing bloodborne gun parry is more forgiving than sekiro/lies of p style parry

Yeah, fact of the matter is that im too good at this game so i ended up first trying the majority of bosses including both of the ape fights and i got isshin on my 3 try. BUT fighting 2 of those senpou straw hat monks at the same time is harder then anything else in the game. This is a fact. If you disagree i will just refer you to the fact that im better at you at this game and that you clearly have no fucking clue what your talking about and never experimented with the combat. You probably dont even know that the game regularly fails to flash the "danger" kanjii when its supposed to, usually happens during multi enemy encounters. Yeah i could go on, same thing with the blue robed samurai a top of ashina castle. Basically im saying that the game kinda ruins its own tone and cool gameplay when it all falls apart the moment your fighting two enemies that are just a bit tough. Alone the twinblade strawhats are fine, great even. Very fun. But two of them is undeniably the hardest encounter in the game, let alone the fucking three at the end of senpou. And no, this is not a fucking stealth game. That is not a valid excuse. You cant even stealth kill any boss in this game, and all the most significant story moments happens in stright up combat with no option for stealth. I want to like this game so much more, but it honestly made me drop it back when it came out since i was just raping everything in sight bosses included. But then they let you fight two of the twinblades and the combat just falls apart, embarrassing many such cases with from software.

Over all tho fantastic game, they better do a fucking sequel.

>>715935824
The parry window in Sekiro is literally 500ms, half a second. It's giga forgiving. Just play the game normally, this sounds like some mental barrier, are you neurodivergent or something.

>>715936348
i think its more laziness if im being honest, now that i think of it, i prefer bloodborne parry because the reward is instantaneous, one well timed shot and you bring them to their knees for a visceral but sekiro and lies of p you have to perfect parry the whole moveset in order to get the chance to stun lock them, i ain't got no time or patience for that lol kudos to those who do that shit effortlessly

>>715936004
>they better do a fucking sequel.
retarded post but also we will sadly never get a sequel.

elden ring made way too much money. its just going to be elden ring from now on

>>715936864
>i ain't got no time or patience for that
Running laps around a boss to mortal draw them after a specific move takes way way longer.

>>715936912
>retarded post
How, everything i said is true. The combat falls apart when fighting the senpou twinblade monks. Just try it next time you play it you dunce.

But your not wrong about the second part, fucking elden ring.

>>715936979
but its 100 times easier and low effort guaranteed win

>>715926458 (OP)
the only things i would change would be more potential for stealth emphasis, and getting rid of all the consumable shit and rebalancing the game without it

>>715926458 (OP)
I didnt like it, and the fan base makes me tempted to hate it. Im sorry Dark Souls 2 was not a rythem game that rewarded ADHD, I still think it's the best in the trilogy. Sekiro fans seem to get upset by that?

>>715937205
The consumables should've been like in Nioh, Nioh's got tons, but they all restock on resting.

>>715926989
people like it because of the gameplay, which shines because of the difficulty otherwise you'd mash attack every enemy. The whole klang klang of swords is also very pleasing

>>715937120
you stole a good time from your self due to autism, you have no legitimate complaints, please don't post again.

>>715937460
For some reason seeing pepe and apu at the same time triggers me. Delete that.

>>715926458 (OP)
I like it enough to do the boss rushes and mod Elden Ring to play more like it

>>715926458 (OP)
I played it again a few months ago, it's great. Completely focused on a few mechanics and if you enjoy them the game just hits right. Too bad From went back to making bloated slop.

>>715926458 (OP)
how the FUCK did we get elden ring shitrain before any sort of follow up to sekiro
fucking normies

>have a friend who's into Ghostrunner and "dude it's so satisfying to parry"
>recommend him Sekiro
>he devours it and beats it multiple times
>shill him Pinocchio
>he only beat it out of spite and complained about "muh delayed swings" the whole way
I don't get it, I'm replaying Sekiro right now and there's a lot of delayed attacks here as well, like on the purple ninjas, the first sword swing is delayed, but the second comes out instantly, you just have to memorize this shit, just the same as in P, no?

>>715926458 (OP)
I have geriatric tier reaction time and I beat this game without dying to a single boss except Demon of Hatred. You get 12 full frames to deflect. How are you guys so bad?

>>715937761
Sekiro was a flop. Sold less than DS2. Only from game to sell less than the one prior.

>>715938242
3/10

>>715938428
quite frankly, my favorite part of a a game is how much it sells

>>715939484
I too own Kadokawa Corporation stock and agree! Imagine being a poorfag and not grasping the controlling factors of the immutable laws of captalism.

>>715926458 (OP)
Sekiro, Dark Souls 3 and Elden Ring, the holy trinity of From games. Who knows if they'll ever top these masterpieces.

>>715938487
I am not memeing. Sekiro is rather forgiving. On top of the generous parry windows, you have animation canceling, no annoying delayed attacks, if there are any they can be interrupted using prosthetic tools, clear tells on perilous attacks that cant be blocked with massive kanji signs plus sound effects that turn it into a qte...etc

>>715942397
>no annoying delayed attacks
There's a lot of delayed attacks in Sekiro, like the purple ninjas literally freezing in the air before their stomp comes down. Actually play the game before shitposting lmao

>>715926458 (OP)
I thought it was okay,a t best. I liked the boss fights, but hated everything else.
Also, it is only the hardest at tehs tart. Once you get a hang of the combat, which for me was right after ape, it becomes way to easy.
Even Isshin, owl and demon, which /v/ told me was hard, were actually piss easy.

>>715926693
>>715928736
>keep hearing about how sekiro has ''no replayability''
>its by far the fromsoft game ive replayed the most

>>715926458 (OP)
>How many of you genuinely like this game
Me
>do you consider it a badge of honor
No because the game is babby mode easy with huge parry windows.
If you weren't a souls newfaggot you would have been playing games like DMC 3 that have 1 frame royal guard windows or Ninja Gaiden 2 on Master Ninja which constanly spams incendiary shurikens at you. Fucking arcade and NES games that didn't let you save before each boss and way more difficult.
Every notable arcade shmup or beatemup is substantially more difficult than any modern 3D console game.
Fucking boomers 1 credit cleared Gradius and shit.
From games being difficult is a meme that only gaming newfags spout.
Go and clear Fight N' Rage on unfair and turbo mode on 1 credit and tell me that shit like Sekiro is hard.
Sekiro also showers you with items and ninja gear that make the combat very easy and forgiving Sekiro's mobility makes skipping mobs, when you just want to get to the boss, easy.

>>715938004
I haven't finished Lies of P, but from what I remember the puppet enemies and the Watchman have true delayed attacks where they lift their arms up and sit there with no animation for half a second or so before slamming it down, and there's no real tell for that other than having seen it before and getting used to the timing.
On top of that, the parry window is tighter in Lies of P compared to Sekiro and even further, failing a deflect in Sekiro (base game) only gives you more posture drain, but no damage whereas Lies of P you take damage if you miss a parry.

>>715942726
I said the few that there are, can be interrupted with firecrackers or some other tool, you dumb retard.

>>715926458 (OP)
I like it. The only game I consider a badge of honor for having beaten is L4D2 all achievements near launch because of the team I was able to get together by chance. Beating something on your own is nice. Beating something with the bros is nicer, especially when you're all high skill and get the teamwork down perfectly, with impeccable synchronization. You feel like you can do anything together. You haven't experienced all of gaming until you've done something like that. Whether it's in a zombie game or an MMO or whatever.

>>715926458 (OP)
DSP absolutely shat all over sekiro making it the easiest fromsoft game without question.