what happened to MMOs?

Roblox

It's MMOver

waiting for WoW to die

wheres wynncraft

>>715930314 (OP)
you can tell how gay someone is by their tier list

a single player "M""M""O" at S tier is kinda funny

>>715930314 (OP)
>no city of heroes
dude

The best two MMOs are classic EQ1 private servers and City of Heroes

>>715930314 (OP)
Make singeplayer games, all the NEETs are in WOW and won't be moving from there, no more MMO, Chrono Odyssey and Vindictus Defying Fate need to be singleplayer

>>715930314 (OP)
They stopped being about a "massively multiplayer" experience and chose to make everything solo friendly because once they started pandering to autists, only autists played them.

>>715932018
What are players supposed to do when all their friends are offline and there's nobody to play with?

>>715932643
go out into the world and meet new people like everyone did in the old days of MMOs

>>715930314 (OP)
>SWTOR in A-Rank
Please tell me you're trolling, OP.

>>715930314 (OP)
They evolved into VRChat.

>not posting the correct tier list

Anyone wanna start a EVE corp?

I think MMOs are a product of 90s thinking of, "What if we had this huge online world where you could do anything!"

But the reality is that they're Co-op RPGs.

>>715930314 (OP)
MMOs are bad games by design and part of their success was the fact that there weren't that many games to play back then. Now with the thousands of options out there, you can't just shove millions on one game and make a world out of it.

Mobile market is larger so they moved there.

>>715930314 (OP)
They became casual bullshit and social media tools.

>>715932018
This gay nostalgiablinded take needs to fucking die. Forced multiplayer was never fun and early MMO players were just as full of autists, drug addicts, and trannies as they are now. It's just that MMOs were also full of children because the internet was novel at the time.

>>715930314 (OP)
Where does Star Resonance rank on this tier list?

any MMOS where i can skip the grind and go straight to the raid/end game content?

>>715930314 (OP)
Where's Lost Saga, Rumble Fighter and Zone 4?

>>715933968
>>715930314 (OP)
DDO mogs the everloving fuck out of 90% of MMOs, its one big sin is that it has a god awful schizophrenic monetization model with almost zero bundling on its paid/expansion content

>>715936753
ton of modern MMOs have a super-short start-"endgame" pipeline

I actually count the 3D concole gacha titles like Genshin and Wuthering Waves as MMOs these days.

>>715936852
post gameplay, it's D-tier trash
>>715937049
no one plays those coop/together, and it's not a single world

Don't mention Maplestory, it brings out the painful kind of nostalgia in /v/ for some reason.

>>715937094
?? The gameplay is good, it's action combat-lite, very fluid game, BTFOs any tab target system with ease

>>715937152
it's still updated though

>>715930314 (OP)
Concept death

MMO gameplay was always crap and social interactions got replaced by discord

It's just so hard to get into MMOs. Most entries get good about 70 hours in, and then on top of that, another 70 hours to get to proficient endgame where you can really get a feel for the entire game.

Because of all this, it's really hard to discuss MMOs and what works/doesn't as everyone basically has their one game and that's it.

I sat there and played FFXIV for 10 years. I have no idea what WoW endgame is like, whether Tera is good, what happened to Wildstar, whether ESO gets amazing after 5 hours, if Guild Wars 2 really does become woke 200 hours in.

>>715937432
WoW endgame mogs FFXIV. Or at least i would say this if the game weren't World of Weakauras, World of Details!, World of DBM/Bigwigs and so forth

>>715937570
>WoW endgame mogs FFXIV

I can't even argue back to that. I gotta play 500 hours of WoW to figure out if that's true.

>>715930314 (OP)
>Maplestory in A tier
????????

>>715937653
I've played both. XIV's fights are way more visually impressive, this does however help obscure how shallow their design philosophy actually is, 99% of fights in XIV are simon-says move out of orange puddles within an enclosed circlular or square arena.

>>715930314 (OP)
>rs3 higher than osrs
Im going to find you and break your brittle faggot bones one by one

>>715937763
heh
I recognize that image

also yes MS is absolutely A-tier

>>715932018
Other way around, WoW showed that if you pander to the NON-autists you can bring in millions of subscribers, thus causing every other company to drop their MMORPGs targeted at autists in favor of chasing the mass market.

Believe it or not the MMORPG genre before 2004 was a beautiful thing, so many fun games with communities that were helpful yet still competitive.

>>715937843
if you really think about it, it's not wrong.
runescape 3 may be completely shit, but it doesn't pretend. While "OS"RS stopped being "old school" in its very first OC update, and has progressively gotten worse and worse from excessive QoL to tile-scape.

>>715937208
It wasn't the same game after the big bang update. They're releasing Oldschool Maplestory, but something tells me it won't hit the same now that everybody is older.

>>715938369
Yeah, nah. You’re simply a dumb nigger. RS3 has solely been kept alive by the fact that OSRS has quadruple its active player base.

>>715938369
No one's stopping you from playing like the brains off nigger you were in 2007.

>>715936852
> its one big sin is that it has a god awful schizophrenic monetization model
It's one big sin is doesn't even need to be a fucking MMO. It's Payday 2 d20 edition right down to the content release model.

>Decide to try out Lord of the Rings Online
>Download launcher
>Launcher needs to download the rest of the files
>Game is almost 20 years old and the servers NEVER got updated so download speed is capped at around 500kbs
>4 hours later, game is ready
>Play intro
>Get to the starter town
>Log off and never play it again
Holy fuck was it boring. I was also under the impression that they didn't have MTX or daily log-ins due to being old but nope, you even get a dedicated button on your UI to open the LOTRO shop. Never saw another player and the combat stunk.
Are there any MMO's that actually stood the test of time?

>>715938514
both games are kept alive by MTX

>>715930314 (OP)
>maplestory
>in anything but literal garbage chink gachaslop tier
lmao, fuck off nigger

>>715938956
>kept alive by MTX
>OSRS
Bait? Retarded? Both?

>>715938980
post an actual criticism, you mongoloid

>>715939019
>converting bonds to gold isn't mtx + p2w
ah the cope

>>715938886
me with asheron's call, so the next possibly shit MMO (ffxi), i youtube'd to see if i would actually like it first.

>>715939071
Calling transferable subscriptions MTX is fucking retarded and you know that. The lack of MTX is one of the primary reasons why many people like OSRS over any of the other shit out there.

>>715930314 (OP)
the banker/financial class min/maxed it to death. they realized that they can just make the most money (for themselves) by supporting mmorpgs for 1-2 years then rug pulling the playerbase instead of supporting a dedicated playerbase with content over the course of 10-20 years.

the only games that dont do that, are the ones made before this paradigm took over the system. so you have your first and 2nd gen mmorpgs going strong 20 years later, but every triple A game released in the past 10 years intentionally fails and kills itself after a year or two while these two face cunts hype up the next best thing to ensare zoomers who haven't experienced the rugpull yet.

>>715939225
osrs still has p2w, which is typically what mtx provide in most other mmos, so it still supplies the same shit in the end.

>>715939317
No, you are a fucking retard. It doesn't put value into the game while also taking away from the RWT market. Bonds are not the same shit as generic MTX and you are fucking stupid for even trying to make this argument. Special kind of retard you can find only on /v/.

>>715939226
>they realized that they can just make the most money (for themselves) by supporting mmorpgs for 1-2 years

They don't think like that. The success stories are WoW and Fortnite, meaning they have to match its longevity.
You might think it's all rugpulls, but it's really hard to make people work for creative projects like that.

>everyone always hate lotro
>most of the people ranking it probly never actually played it

>>715939225
NTA but my nigga it's MTX with an extra step, and it fucking works because retards like you use that extra step to rationalize and defend it

>>715939226
WoW is literally what you're describing, the rugpull monetization
that's literally what WoW expansions are, designed to replace old-WoW every time, and invalidate all progress/lore/story/classes

>>715939415
I liked DDO better

>>715939402
>trying to gymnastics over p2w because it's your precious game
anon, it's okay to accept it, we never thought it'd happen to runescape of all games, but it did.

>>715939415
lotro just seems incredibly generic in an okay way, but only really good if you're a massive tolkien fan.

>>715939415
i did like it but i stopped caring and quit after minas morgul

member when people pretended Rift was good? I've never seen a game so memory holed.

What happened to Throne and Liberty?

>>715939402
If you can swipe your credit card and get items directly from the game's company that sell for gold that pay for endgame gear, it's P2W. Yes it's still P2W no matter how many layers of seperation there are, as long as your IRL money is involves in something the game's company provides to you directly.

>>715940196
>what happened to the latest p2w koreaslop MMO
take a guess retard

What happened with that Pantheon game? It did come out right?

the first korean mmo to not be p2w will take over the entire market

What happened to Final Fantasy XIV Dawntrail

>>715940514
well maple is already a thing so

>>715939415
>tfw never have a proper lotr mmo ever

>>715938369
OSRS was never meant to be kept exactly as it was in 2007. It was just meant to be a better jumping off point to take a different direction from RS3. And it's a lot better now than it was when it released.

World of Warcraft is unironically one of the greatest MMO games I have ever played
Also fuck laughing coffins and their cringe reddit guild leader named Rytes he's a fucking cuck bitch nigger that should die after betraying me like a faggot.
If you are reading this Rytes you are a fucking bitch and I hope you fucking kill yourself you dumb harry potter obsessed down syndrome faggot,

>>715932643
back in my day you just ran around fucking with random people you didnt know and didnt need a friend group for anything. joining an mmo already having friends defeats the purpose

>>715932643
back in the old days of mmos it was normal to just group up with random people

the idea that you need dedicated friendslist or guilds to even play only happened once mmos became so solo friendly that people just solod all content untill the endgame where, having met nobody, they were screwed unless they knew people outside of the game to drag in with them or blindly joined a guild full of people they didnt even know.
Easy solo leveling is what ruined the mmo experience. Mild soloability was ok, i liked daocs balance of solo vs group leveling speed, it still encouraged people to group if at all possible because it was a good 4-5 times faster than soloing, but you could solo.

They further hid the crime of all this by inventing questgrinding and massive filler quests everywhere. In modern mmos with filler quest-centric leveling strategies it is a huge pain in the ass to group while leveling unless you are coordinating it. This has lead to people who have only ever played modern mmos which focus on quest spam to imagine what group based grinding mmos were like incorrectly. They imagine a thing that would be horrible and so write it off.

Pantheon actually felt ok but then the developers shit the bed. I can smell flop and drama coming. Also i was never a fan of the EQ style of old mmo, i prefer lineage

>>715939415
I started it recently and am enjoying the low stakes comfy atmosphere desu

>>715942438
have you played many MMOs *snickers*

>>715930421
and minecraft
and fortnite
and genshit

>>715933968
>games that people still play
>dead mmos
nice list

Aion 2 will save mmos, for a month or two maybe and then they will add a cash shop from hell, because Korean devs only know greed.

>>715939415
I gave it a shot
I found the quests around the shire to be endearing, I remember helping matchmake a widowed farmer grill hobbit with an old hobbit man who she thought fancied her
It was cute. Overall not good enough to play by myself though

>>715939415
i tried it a long time ago and couldnt get over the combat animations being so goofy. ive been playing mmos since the 90s, and rigid animations are perfectly fine for me, but lotro just looked off in a very immersion breaking way

I mean no offense, but how does anyone with a life keep up with these games? Seems like you have be a degen gamer to actually enjoy them since they focused around grinding.

>>715945058
Yeah I don't know what it is about LOTRO but there's something really offputting about it. I got a Warden up to Moria and I just could not keep playing. The Warden was fun, don't get me wrong, but the game just feels awful.

Anyway OP stop posting this godawful so-bad-I-hope-its-just-bait tier list. Fucking faggot.

>>715944401
the fact that it's using UE5 makes me worried
MMOs are already heavy enough as it is, I'll need to be convinced that a UE5 MMO won't run like dogshit on everything

>>715945101
I've played through the majority of the games on the list and let me tell you. The amount of grind you actually need to do is vastly overstated for most of them. If you play like an hour or so most nights you will progress at a reasonable pace. Excluding gookgrinders like (classic) Maplestory and (classsic) Ragnarok Online of course. The modern versions don't actually have that much grind either.

To sum up, the South Park WoW episode was not indicative of the average playstyle of MMOs. Only very few people played like that, and we used to all make fun of them. The perjorative term was "poopsockers"

>>715944401
They're switching to parties of 4 instead of 6 which makes me very sad.

>>715945101
>how does anyone with a life keep up with these games?
After spending some years in a guild where most dudes had families, I found the answer was pretty simple: Those types generally don't play anything other than MMO's.

Quest oriented gameplay killed most of the multiplayer aspect of MMO.

>>715941524
NTA but they massively fucked up by making each boss a loot pinata. The moment enemies started dropping noted items, the game lost its soul.
If you ever need any sort of resource or consumable, you can farm it the "intended" way, or you can kill a boss to get the same amount of it per hour, while also getting 20 other items. For example, need addy for more bolts? You never mine addy rocks, you kill a boss that drops addy bars instead.
As a result, skilling activities like chopping wood or catching fish are done purely for XP. You click the resource and immediately drop it. So the only form of skilling you do is whichever one gives the most XP.
So because skilling doesn't feel rewarding anymore and is just a boring as fuck chore, Jagex makes minigames that make it not feel like a chore, while also adding unique drops so there is a reason to bother with this stuff and give it value.

Unless they nerf boss drop tables significantly (they won't because damage is already done, both to economy and players dopamine receptors) or buff "intended" methods (they won't because it'd buff "muh xp rates" too much) game will stink forevermore.
It's still good but it's a 7/10 that could've been a 10.

>>715945205
Lmao I felt the exact same. There's this weird uncanny stiffness to everything in LOTRO that just kills any sense of immersion. It's like trying to roleplay inside a museum diorama. Even if you get into the class mechanics (Warden was one of the few actually engaging ones), the engine and animations just drag the whole experience down. Turbine-era jank really aged like milk.

Also yeah, OP's list reads like bait curated straight from reddit circlejerks. Probably the same kind of guy who thinks ESO is peak MMORPG design because he can solo a dungeon while crafting anime furniture in his house.

>>715930314 (OP)
the socializer playerbase switched to discord

>>715930314 (OP)
The only good positions on this tier list are dofus GW2 and Mabinogi. I would move literally everything else not in D tier to a different tier.

>>715946179
FUCK! Meant to say GW1 not GW2
GW2 can go to C.

>>715939415
It's just that its time has passed, even for nostalgic people. It's still a huge theme park, but sometimes it's physically painful to play.

>>715930314 (OP)
>>715946179
Let's not pretend Dofus is an MMO. Everyone (and I mean, literally everyone) plays it solo.
It's as much of an MMO as Path of Exile is.

Star Wars Galaxies was fun.
Never found a decent pivate serb

>>715946683
it's an MMO, just because you don't like it doesn't change the fact
>plays it solo
wrong

>>715946683
I play it with my friend group on the no-multibox server
>>715947082
SWG Infinity is ok though some of the custom stuff is gay

>>715945101
I can't speak for other MMOs but the progression in guild wars 2 is simple enough that you can get close to best in slot gear pretty much as soon as you hit the level cap which only takes maybe a week, the hardest part is figuring out which gear you need for the builds you want
it's actually kind of amazing that the game hasn't died considering the stats on gear haven't increased in like a decade

>>715933968
LOL

Bruh modern wow is peak tranny and girl boss.

Star Trek Online is fun. Spaceships are cool. Pity they got rid of the custom content creation tools, they were great to play around with.

>look ma, I made the same shit thread again

>>715949609
Yes
Whatcha gonna do about it?

>>715940497
i lost interest when they changed the art style to generic asset store slop a year or two ago
they finally released on steam but the reviews aren't very encouraging

>>715930314 (OP)
for me a casual gamer, they never appealed to me
you can't roleplay in them, because the moment you go to a city there's 20 users with silly armors mounting dragons and rainbow colored tigers, not to mention that half the world is filled with heros with the same prophesy about saving the world
the gameplay is also not as fun as a solo ARPG like dark souls
I also don't have friends
so what is the appeal? every time I see a new game being labeled as a "new MMO" I just skip the trailer, I know they are bad games and just cashgrabs made by corporate driven studios who only want to cash out from venture capitalists/investors whatever

maplesisters...

>>715940497
>It did come out right?
Not really. It came out in "Early Access" and plan to wipe before real release. So a lot of people aren't even going to bother trying it yet.
And the people that did bother, has already burned themselves out on a beta.

used to be an officer in high end raiding guilds during Everquest / WoW. Later switched to WoT (played in gold league) and Destiny2 (casual) which lasted about a a year or two. as you get old you start to lose patience and don't have the time to deal with 39 other people's nonsense and drama.

nowadays i only play gachas to scratch the live service itch without having to deal with other people. not having to pay a dime (or as much as I want) compared to mandatory monthly subs is nice too.

>>715953792
>Now i play gachaslop and let gookjews drain my wallet
hey man i hope someone puts your head under a hydraulic press on livestream with ASMR-quality audio recording so i can hear your skull cracking and squishing, thanks

>>715930314 (OP)
Whoever made that has partially good taste while mostly being an utter fucking retard. Anyway they cost too much money when you can just make cosmetics in some other game and you will never ever beat wow no matter how dogshit it gets, end of story.