Thread 715931894

Enough is enough

Roblox

a sub-genre is not a trend, it's a sub-genre

i see they draw the line at cute chinese girl

>>715931894 (OP)
there's individually more pokemon, mario and final fantasy games than there are soulslikes

>>715933249
>there's more games out of these three franchises that were around since the 80s than there are of a single modern trend of games
Damn.....
No...
Way......
Fuck......
Hell....

>>715933249
Retard

He’s right, we need more TPS lovecraftian survival horror games

>PLEASE STOP MAKING THIS GENRE OF GAMES
okay then stop buying them
>uh no sweaty i need to experience every epic heckin boss fighterino. you stop making these games and THEN ill stop buying them when there's none left to buy anyway

Based journos

Oh look another slop game with bloated HP mobs, gimmick move sets, artificial difficulty, and shit lore and music.
I
Can't
Wait

i highly doubt wuchang will be good, i smell another wukong situation where it looks pretty but is braindead easy

>>715933797
i remember playing Mortal Shell and it was the most zanzibart thing i ever played in my life. what a pile of random shit

>Ari
Speaking of "trends" that have gone on way too long....

>>715931894 (OP)
You people cannot even define souls-like.

agreed, its not like i buy every new soulslike(last one being lies of p and lotf) but i am sick of seeing them all over the place

>>715933879
Everything is just a cash grab anymore.

>>715933954
And you can't define a diet. Lose 400 stones and you won't need insulin anymore.

fromsoft should make a character action game just to shift the industry back

Journos are right for once. This slop genre needs to die very soon.

>>715934014
There aren't even that many of them like around 10 of half-decent to decent ones.

>>715933598
They don't sell. Horror games have a ceiling that only Resident Evil can break.

>>715934414
I really wanted to like Hellpoint because it was a unique setting but it's trash

in the new lords of the fallen any good?

>>715934297
The is that it sells. Even the most low effort souls clone sells more than the mid budget AA DMC clone back in the day. This is just the free market at work.

I really don't think there are that many. They just sell a lot and thus get a lot of coverage.
No one is saying stop the metroidvanias even though a truckload get released every year.

>>715934695
everyone said it was just ok but that's basically every souls clone. everybody plays it and they go yup you made another mid souls clone. not great not terrible.

>>715934808
Or Earthbound and Mother clones.

>>715931894 (OP)
>expecting new ideas from fucking China

>>715934103
Just proved the fat fucks point lol. You can't fucking define it.

>>715933598
>>715934601
RE and dead space are the only horror games I can stomach
the rest are too scary or too janky for me

>>715935441
Not even Fatal Frame or Silent Hill? Those barely qualify as horror games.

>>715935441
jank is fine in this one and it’s still spooky

>>715935654
>>715935441
Horro and jank go hand in hand desu. A game cant be scary if it controls too smoothly. The feeling of helplessness adds to the scary vibes. Most of the scariest horror games are jankie indie games.

>>715935441
Silent Hill, no?

do you know how many fucking metroidvanias have released this year alone?

-100000 social credit points

>>715935905
Soulslikes are problematic because most journos cant beat them.

>>715931894 (OP)
But I had fun in Lies of P and look forward to the teased Dorothy sequel?

>>715931894 (OP)
99% of souls clones should have just been pure arcadey action games like ninja gaiden but because Dark souls was popular I now have to manage a green bar.

>>715932381
Wuchang Clan?

>>715931894 (OP)
Agree with this sentiment. I'm tired of souls likes. I don't want to play them and tired of being barraged by them, it's unoriginal. It must be an Asian thing since thats all the Chinese and Korean devs want to do who are making the more anticipated games in the genre.

>>715937546
>>715937309
Because soulslikes are eaiser to sell. Even the most low effort soulslike at least sells like 300k units minimum. Meanwhile NG2B remastered struggled to get 2000 ccu. The thing also is that AA soulslikes are reasonable priced. AI limit for example was just 30-40 dollars. Most action games are too greedy and charge 60-70.

>>715931894 (OP)
I HAVE HAD IT WITH THESE MOTHERFUCKING SNAKES ON THIS MOTHERFUCKING PLANE
EVERYONE STRAP IN
I'M ABOUT TO OPEN SOME FUCKING WINDOWS

>>715937838
>NG2B remastered struggled to get 2000 ccu
That game is ass though, I watched a top Souls streamer play through it on the hardest difficulty and while yeah it was very hard, but for all the wrong reasons, the mechanics are pure jank. It's like the whole game is a shitpost lmao, most of his deaths were due to bad camera and rocket launcher ninjas

>>715931894 (OP)
Hmm, a critique of souls, let's pop it open and... oh.

>I’ll admit that part of my aversion to the genre is a skill issue. There’s of course a time and a place for challenging games. But after a decade, beating my head against a boss three, five, ten times in a row before cracking its pattern has lost its luster. So many settings in Soulslike are genuinely captivating, distinct and well-realized in a manner that’s just begging to be explored. (See: French Revolution automatons. See also: Pinocchio automatons.) Sometimes, I just want to learn more about these worlds without having to pass a skill check. Can’t a guy get a walk in the park every now and then? As a treat?

Does anyone remember the "git gud" meme? You guys know why that meme took off on /v/ back then, right? It was because under EVERY SINGLE COMPLAINT of dark souls posted, there was someone vaguely whining about the difficulty. EVERY TIME.

Journos aren't gamers, they treat gaming as their job. So if their job is difficult, then that's bad!

>>715933797
git gut scrub boy

>that's enough diablo 2 likes
>that's enough dota likes
>that's enough wow likes
>that's enough

>>715941906
>that's enough /v/ posts

>>715931894 (OP)
How convenient that this sentiment begins truly popping off right after Elden Ring gets announced for a Nintendo system on top of a FromSoft Exclusive directed by Miyazaki

>>715931894 (OP)
The only problem with all these soulslikes is that not enough of them are co-op

>>715935021
>still parroting that cope when China is the only one making original games today
Oh right you don't play them so they don't count, I forgot

>>715941906
Dont forget streamer horror FNAF clones or metroidvania roguelites which are at least 80% of all indies.

>>715941738
I think it's also part because of how toxic gaming conversations get nowadays. Complain or criticize game mechanics? Skill issue. Don't like the level design? Skill issue. Think the boss or combat is flawed or is outright bugged? GIT GUD.

>>715931894 (OP)
Yes make it end, please. I am so tired of companies shamelesslycopying something that was successful over and over again.
Come up with your own ideas, you lazy niggers

>>715944261
But you guys supported capitalism

>>715932381
This

>>715931894 (OP)
>>715932381
That same journo is going to jerk off cuckmann's game with that bald black goblin protagonist even though that's going to have souls combat, watch

>>715944448
GoW had semi soulslike elements and they jerked it off too.

>>715934103
>doesn't understand how diabetes works
you don't give fat fuckers insulin, it's useless.
the people that need insulin have diabetes type 1.

>>715943246
>original
>one of two stories repeated ad nauseam after the commies killed all of history
just need a three kingdoms souls-like now

>soulslikes are bad!
>...i-is that the heckin new over the shoulder, lowburn, cinematic experience starring Laura Bailey and Troy Baker?!? YAS YAS YAS GIVE IT TO ME BAYBE (UH HUH UH HUH) STRONG WOMEN SAY I'M PRETTY FLY (FOR A WHITE GUY)
Why are they like this????

>>715931894 (OP)
People like arpgs.
>>715933249
this anon gets it

>>715944641
TN already made one. It's called Wo Long.
Also how is Wuchang repeat of another chinese story?
The plot is about an amnesiac exorcist who finds herself in the advent of the crumbling Ming dynasty that is overrun by undead and demons. That is like complainibg about dark fantasy always having decrepit european medieval castles and villages.

>>715934297
If they are crying about a few chinese knockoffs then they are in for a world of hurt because we have not even begun to see the elden ring clones.

>>715945093
>elden ring clones
Do those even exist? As in open world soulslikes?

>>715933598
nothing lovecraftian about DS why retards call every horror theme that isn't zombie or ghost based lovecraftian

>>715945139
>soulslikes
repeat after me, action rpg

>>715933249
This but doom clones

>>715945170
Because of the brethren moons.

>>715931894 (OP)
>game journalism is still alive
kinda wish that wasn't the case ngl

lole

Fromsoft on suicide watch

reply to me or something cmon

>>715931894 (OP)
Noone's asking you to buy it.
Vote with your wallet.

>>715934808
There are almost no new metroidvanias releasing, the fuck are you on about? There was Blade Chimera (barely qualifies) and Afterimage recently, and thats fucking it for last 2-3 years.

>>715944930
>Also how is Wuchang repeat of another chinese story?
Don't bother replying to an Eglin troll

>>715948189
Ender Magnolia just came out.

>>715931894 (OP)
What this journo and many other people don't understand, is that dark souls did action and adventure so well that if you make a new action game it's hard not to heavily incorporate elements from it. If you try playing a modern action game that's not a soulslike it becomes noticeable how much it sucks compared to souls especially in terms of combat. Without soulslike games, our action/adventure games are FF16, ghost of tsushima, TLOU2, AC shadows and Zelda totk.

>>715948494
Not metroidvania, it is another shitty 2d soulslike that is also entirely inferior to Lilies somefuckinghow.

>>715948530
>formsoft invented arpgs
fuckoff mate. go play witcher, diablo, dark messiah...

we need fewer soulslikes and more concordlikes
all we are getting from westoids are concordlikes

>>715934884
Name one besides Deltarune that came out in the last 12 months.

>cant post videos anymore
Oh no no. How will the gameplay spammer cope now?

>>715931894 (OP)
>china makes a successful game
>IT IS ENOUGH
white people keep losing

I would enjoy soulslike more if you had actual combos and all your main characters didn't have lung cancer, keeling over without oxygen after swiping your sword twice.

>>715931894 (OP)
im really looking forward to this game

>>715941223
Literally skill issue.
He played the dumbed-down easy version of the game, so the game didn't force him to git gud. You get used to the camera eventually, and you learn to deal with rocket ninjas. The game still feels unfair at times, but it's beatable without relying on RNG, you just have to think strategically at times, instead of jerking off tlearning attack timings.
The problem is that NG2B's "very hard" Mentor difficulty is easier than the original's "normal" Warrior. The remaster treats you like a pussy whose hardest game in his own life was some soulslike.

>>715931894 (OP)
I want more, though.

>>715949927
Wuchang is actually fast afaik, like Lies of P I think. Reminds me of BB's pacing.

>>715950141
when life gives you lemons, dodge roll.

>>715932381
This. They will never complain about another ugly protag open world slop.

Maybe the reason Soulslike is popular is because it's a really good fucking genre? We haven't seen a decline of Metroidvanias despite the genre being old as fuck.
If you're personally tired of Soulslikes just go play something else there's plenty of games around. I don't understand the fixation with the state of the industry or needing to experience every single game.

Souls likes yes.

Fromsoftware games, no. Not enough of them. All these copycats are the one that oversaturate shit, it's pathetic. None of them are even close to Dark Souls 1 let alone Elden Ring. Even Nightreign is fucking great and it's intentionally knowingly released as an intentional 8/10 from them just to appears the coop/multiplayer randomiser modder crowd like streamers etc.

>>715951406
>Soulslike is popular
i blame console players.

>>715931894 (OP)
>there are too many action games

It's just the standard format of the era. Every PS2 action game had X-X-Y dial combos, every post bamham/asscreed had counter animations, now they all wanna do epic close in over the shoulder cameras. Everyone follows the leader, there's always one.

>>715951914
I wonder what the whole trend will be in the late 2020s and early 2030s. Even Fromsoft has been moving away from their formula gradually since Sekiro.

>>715952216
Gacha

>>715931989
This is all because of the death of piracy and flash games.
All those kids would be on newgrounds or emulating and pirating a bunch of shit back in the day, but now they're uploading naked selfies of themselves for robux.

>""soulslike""
>fixed protagonist model with fixed story
>no character customization outside armor and weapons
>no rp element whatsoever
>difficulty settings
>handholded narrative driven story
>yeah, completely """soulslike"""
??? can't we stop calling them souls-likes? can this meme please just die already?

>>715952306
Nah gacha was a trend back in the late 2010s/early 2020s and are kinda stagnating now.

>>715952587
People making labels are retarded yes. Just call them action adventure games. I remember back in 2015 people called Witcher 3 a monhun clone too

>>715931894 (OP)
>game comes to gamepass day 1
>sonyroach press shits on it
Same old

>>715931894 (OP)
Menuslops really need to die. I'm tired of every new JRPG being 4-nigga-in-a-row.

>>715951406
Finally /v/ accepts that popularity = good :^)

Are they all rollslop and basic attacks? I don't get how basic ass combat like that became so popular.
Give me combos, skill trees, weapon toggling,... literally anything more than 2 buttons.

>>715952324
is this really it? I feel like a fucking boomer on this but I always hear about grooming on roblox and I'm shocked that 100 mil are playing that shit

>>715953527
It's gotten so bad the kids are starting to do it unprompted.
There's a very real risk you'll end up with CP if you play Roblox as an adult.

>>715934695
No, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Enemy variety sucks, weapon movesets suck and even after all the patches I still had frame issues.

>>715941223
It's literally the easiest version of 2 and it's more than fair. Fromdrones should stick to their r1 masher.

>>715941738
Kek every time

>>715941738
>member the "git gud" meme? You guys know why that meme took off on /v/ back then, right?
But Dark Souls difficulty is artificial difficulty so you were just being retards

>>715951184
I can't tell you how happy I am these games are dropping the gay rolls for sidesteps

>>715954124
Its unironically only from who still does it out of tradition and only in their mainline souls games. Everyone else has stopped doing dodge rolls since 2018 since it looks dumb as hell.

>>715949927
Wukong if you consider it a Souls-like has a lot more movement and actions than a typical Souls game and Khazan came out this year which is much faster and has some combos, though they are somewhat limited because it's more about comboing abilities and those short strings together.

>>715952945
I'm not

>>715931894 (OP)
I feel the Souls fatigue, but at the same time I think it's fine so long as the game does something genuinely new with the formula.

>>715931894 (OP)
the sad thing is that, outside of the FROM ones, there are barely any good soulslikes

>>715955120
>it's fine so long as the game does something genuinely new with the formula
(it doesn't)

>>715955497
then i'm not gonna buy it?

>>715955497
I wouldn't say new but some games have added mechanics that fromsoft never did.
Like Stellar Blade and Wukong incorporated setpieces and spectacle fights akin to MGR, Remnant of the Ashes added third person shooting, the Surge added limb dismemberments that disabled certain enemy movesets, and then you have the entire thing going on with Nioh where it turned itself into an action moveset lego where you build your own combos.

>>715954000
>trying to backstab me? not today bitch!
kek, what a classic

would you say rise of the ronin is a souls like? its more sekiro/ninja gaiden right?

>>715955906
It's more like Way of the Samurai. TN's own brand at this point has become so far removed to souls influence now.

>>715937838
ninja gaiden "fans" don't play their game

>>715931894 (OP)
yet another chink or gook unreal engine sloppa copying FromGODS.

>>715954000
git gud

>>715935654
Best this years ago. Forgot a lot of of it now. Might have to go back to a play through again.

>>715935654
Kino game but I'd hardly call it a horror game. It's a detective game first and foremost.

>>715954124
Honestly this. Side stepping is based. Fuck dodge rolls

>>715952324
death of piracy?

What makes a souls like?
>Artificial difficulty
>Gimmicks
>Bloated HP bosses
>Bosses that use one shot specials
>Throughout the entire game
You could argue that G rank Mon Hun could be souls like, but it's not because high and low rank exist.

>All right, that's plenty of FPS's
>Painkiller looks dope, but represents a trend that's gone on too long

>>715956869
Bonfires

>>715956869
you lost faggot, FROMSOFT won.

>>715956869
>What makes a souls like?
Taking dark souls, slapping a slightly different color of paint on there, make it shittier, bada bing bada boom you have a souls like

>>715956848
He's an idiot. Piracy is growing. Not just with games but with movies shows, and music too. People are being priced out of entertainment by both greedy companies raising prices, a shitty job market, and low wages/salaries.

>>715956942
But a lot of modern souls likes barely play like dark souls anymore. They have more in common with sekiro and nioh.

>>715933640
Who are ypu even quoting you little faggot.

>>715956130
this

>>715956993
Not really. Piracy is a lot harder today than in the early 2010s for example. You cant even rip youtube videos without having to go through god awful converter sites that have dozens of pop ups. Especially when torrents nowadays are a hell lot slower than direct downloads

>>715941738
I member when git gud was a thing used in the /v/ monhan generals before soulsdrones adopted it

>>715957018
"Souls like" is a fake term. It was made up by game journos who struggled with games.
>OMG I CAN'T GET PAST THE TUTORIAL, THIS US IS JUST LIKE DARK SOULS
NPCs now use it for games they can't beat to justify their failure.

>>715956942
So most well-known modern Souls-likes aren't actually souls-likes?

I really fucking want normal action games again, not all these motherfucking nigger Souls clones

>>715957094
Bullshit.
I just pirated Expedition 33 from Fitgirl and installed it with zero issues and zero "pop ups."
Actually pirate something because you come here and lie.

>>715957218
No see >>715957191

>>715957094
>You cant even rip youtube videos without having to go through god awful converter sites that have dozens of pop ups.
Are you an honest to god retard or just pretending?

>Especially when torrents nowadays are a hell lot slower than direct downloads
Never mind, I just figured it out

>>715957094
>you can't even rip youtube videos
yt-dlp is your fren.

>>715957249
I cant pirate stellar blade.

>>715957218
>uhhh uhhh durrr look at this handful of exceptions
also
>modern
fucking lol, they're all modern you retard

>>715957414
You don't have a computer?

>>715957414
just crack denuvo, it's easy.

>>715957340
Prove me wrong then. Piracy back then was a lot easier too because games at most were like 10-15 gb. Now games are 100gb+. Why suffer having to download multiple files from skidrow when steam can download it in 30 mins?

>>715957410
youtube is fighting it pretty hard.

>>715957229
Define normal. Action games back then also frequently copied from each other or followed a trend like dmc.

>>715933797
>slop
Tranny

>>715957508
Piracy isn't just the act of cracking the software, it includes downloading and using it too.

>>715941906
>that's enough wow likes
Unironically yes. Every WoW clone is just a shittier version of WoW, which is why 99% of them have died.

>>715931894 (OP)
This nigga got filtered by Margit, 100%.

>>715957708
WOW is a clone of EverQuest. Sooooo...

>>715932381
yeah the chinese chicks have bigger tits and are more feminine than the Western counterpart. Can't let that exist!

>>715957508
>Piracy back then was a lot easier too because games at most were like 10-15 gb. Now games are 100gb+.
It doesn't matter where you download it from, the media will still be the same si- oops I'm wrong, pirated versions of stuff is usually pre-compressed and/or repackaged to remove pointless bloat like 30 audio tracks in languages you didn't even know were a thing or "bonus" materials that no one watches.

>Why suffer having to download multiple files from skidrow when steam can download it in 30 mins?
Is it really that much harder too just find the "main" file and unpack it in a folder with the rest of the files?

>>715953591
200 more jeets joining roblox because of this post thanks anon

>>715931894 (OP)
>souls likes
they're just hack n slash games

>>715957094
>You cant even rip youtube videos without having to go through god awful converter sites that have dozens of pop ups.
The video download helper plugin for firefox lets you do it for one button. I'm sure there are other extensions for that and for other browsers. Also conversion sites only have ads if you're not using adblocker for some reason.

>>715931894 (OP)
Same could be said about extraction shooters and battle royales. Thankfully there's this thing called free will so I don't have to force myself to play rollslop, brslop and tarkovslop.

>>715931894 (OP)
already preordered the deluxe edition, we need to do all we can to support the enemies of america in these trying times.

>>715957816
>using dubious conversion websites
ngmi

>>715957765
>Is it really that much harder too just find the "main" file and unpack it in a folder with the rest of the files?
It's a hell lot more tedious imo. I used to be pirating a dozen things back in the day and would archive them. Now I cant be bothered to go through hoops nowadays.
Movie piracy at least is more or less the same.

>>715957846
Brown hands typed those words.

>>715931894 (OP)
>(((Ari)))

>>715957879
What hoops?

Game looks fine and I love any game that has sexy woman in it but I'm beyond sick of Souls likes at this point. I never even finished the SOTE DLC for Elden Ring. Souls like gameplay really needs to fuck off.

Can this genre and Fromsoft fucking die?

>>715957874
It's not 2008 anymore, you can't hide a virus in an MP4

>>715958001
you will spend hours learning copypasted bosses and you will like it

>>715941906
I'd like to say yes because I can't stomach yet another clone of a popular game or series I've finished but people seem to love playing the same kind of stuff forever.
My only issue is how the mechanics of these titles become diluted or misunderstood by the copycats.

Who am I to judge, I still play Rome 1 and Medieval 2 but at least those are original games.

>>715957879
Media (usually games) being split into multiple parts has been a thing since the Internets inception, your obviously just some retarded zoomie who thinks they know how things work but have no clue.

Also, how fucking hard is it to just take all those files and just... Put them in a folder or archive together? All of a sudden 50 files becomes 1! Its almost like magic!

>>715958053
>>715958001
Samefag tranny

>>715958053
It's not a genre, it's just a franchise.
Killing bosses with swords and magic has been around a lot long than Fromsoft

>>715958098
>being a From shill
>calling anyone else a tranny
Love the irony.

>>715958098
Not either of them but you can fuck off if you unironically argue that Souls likes aren't an overdone genre.

>>715958071
The funny part is that its only fromsoft who does copypaste bosses. The issue with these souls likes is that all the effort goes into the boss fight mechanics and barelt into the level design which is what made dark souls 1great in the first place.

>>715948530
Third person action rpgs are a genre people always wanted to play but most of the games weren't very good. You either overlevelled or had to deal with hp sponges. Credit where it is due, they boosted player and enemy damage in Demon Souls so you had to pay attention to what was going on instead of mashing attack mindlessly and it was excellent.

But there are lots of titles like >>715948816 mentioned that have lite rpg elements and are amazing action adventure games.

>>715941738
I love the Souls games, have beaten all of them multiple times, here's what I'm tired about with them:

>the combat style is fine but it's simply stale now. From Software knew this and started to mix it up significantly after Dark Souls 2 yet most Souslikes play it much safer and there's just so many times I can play a game like that
>a game being hard is fine but it has to also feel fair. You have to feel like you have options and the attacks a boss/enemy does have to feel telegraphed enough that it feels like your fault if you get hit. The difference between, say, Issin and Royal Consort Radhan is why fights that are "too hard" are usually fights full of bullshit you can't see coming and feel like you have one very specific way to avoid that damage
>"lore" storytelling is boring. Yes, it's very cool to do archaeology and learn about a game's world organically like that, but I'd like some emotional stakes now, maybe some character arcs and personalities that feel like real people or remind me of moments in my life. Similarly the premise of "dying world that you can prolong or end" is sooooooooooo overdone, there are other premises you can do that involve a player character who never gives up the struggle
>the actual gameplay systems are very simplistic. Enemies are always zombies or mindless creatures because their AI systems are PS1-tier. They never interact with the world in interesting, organic ways and you similarly have very little in the way of options to do the same. No matter the type of enemy they all have the same logic and they're easy to read and kite into hazards or attack range so you never have to engage beyond learning their attack animations. Bosses are just this but with more attacks and bigger numbers and it's stale to the point that I'm beginning to miss gimmick bosses like Bed of Chaos or Micolash


They were great games but I'm just bored of them and their formula is too simplistic to stay fresh.

>>715958470
Ahh yes. Did your favorite streamer tell you that after he said your name after your superchat?

>>715957508
>from skidrow
uh oh

>>715957531
If they're fighting, then it's like when a four year old tries to windmill punch you while you put your hand on their forehead and they achieve nothing.

>>715957758
Delusional retard.

>>715958053
Seeing them get the bankruptcy claim would be the happiest day of my life. Them and EA should fuck off the industry forever.

>>715958302
It's just action games with combat that isn't piss easy.

>>715958073
>people seem to love playing the same kind of stuff forever.
Yeah, I had a friend who only played WoW and nothing else, whenever me and our mutual friends tried to get him to play ANYTHING else (even other Blizzard games), regardless of genre, his responses were always:
>Why isn't this like WoW?
>Why doesn't [mechanic] work like [mechanic but WoW]?
>This is such bullshit, how am I supposed to know [mechanic] when it doesn't work like it should! You know, like how WoW does it!
>Can't we just play WoW instead?

It got so bad that we all just gave up on him eventually and moved onto playing other vidya, whats both sad and frustrating is that he eventually came around and wanted to be "included" again because WoW went to shit around WoD but he still couldn't fucking let go of the game even though we straight up gave him the ultimatum of "if you mention WoW even once while we aren't playing it, your getting kicked from the chat and we won't invite you to play anymore".

He couldn't fucking help himself and just raged, complained or reminisced about how the current game we were playing wasn't like WoW. Last time I spoke to him he tried to get me and one other of our mutual friends into playing WoW again around the release of that gay dragon expansion by paying for the expansion and even 4 months of playtime EACH, neither of us took him up on his offer.

>>715958676
This. I'd rather have soulslikes than shit like dante's inferno or the bamham clones of the mid 2010s.

>>715958632
>Naive retard
We are talking on any media, not IRL

>>715958676
So Ninja Gaiden is a souls like? The fuck are you talking about

>>715958721
I don't like how NG plays like. The camera is cancer.

>>715958756
Does NG4 still have the same shitty camera?

>>715958470
>a game being hard is fine but it has to also feel fair.
They are fair. You are just lazy.
>The difference between, say, Issin and Royal Consort Radhan is why fights that are "too hard" are usually fights full of bullshit you can't see coming
PCR had like 2 moves that were kinda bullshit and they were nerfed within weeks of SOTE's launch. Presently, he's executionally no more difficult than Isshin.
>the premise of "dying world that you can prolong or end" is sooooooooooo overdone,
From hasn't made one of those since 9 years ago
>>the actual gameplay systems are very simplistic. Enemies are always zombies or mindless creatures because their AI systems are PS1-tier.
From enemies started rather simple on the PS3 but have gotten increasingly dynamic and intelligent to the point where elden ring enemies are some of the most elaborate in video games.
>I'm beginning to miss gimmick bosses like Bed of Chaos or Micolash
Kill yourself.

>>715958704
Dante's Inferno mogs 90% of souls likes

>>715958813
Probably not. Camera feels a lot more centered on the character now and the FoV is lot higher compared to how claustrophobic the early NG games were probably because of lower resolutions when they were made.

>>715958704
Souls likes are way less imaginative than bamham clones.

>>715958676
>combat that isn't piss easy.
they just takes the high difficulty tiers from other games and make it the new normal. somehow they made managed to make the less accessibility a feature they're selling.
plenty of games have stupidly hard high difficulties, but they don't force you to do them if you want to just experience the story / world.

>>715958876
Holy NPC

>>715958972
> they don't force you to do them if you want to just experience the story / world.
That's because soulslikes have bare minimum story. The difficulty is all that they have.

>>715958876
>elden ring enemies are some of the most elaborate in video games

>>715958876
Let me guess, you think Elden Ring is the best game From Soft has made?

>>715959093
>>715959087
Cope.

>>715958972
>they just takes the high difficulty tiers from other games
High difficulty in other games meant higher numbers, not actually more challenging gameplay execution
>somehow they made managed to make the less accessibility a feature
You being bad at video games and too lazy to try to get better is not an accessibility issue.
>>715959002
Zoomer dialect.

Elden Turd defender is brain dead.

>>715957558
I'm still sick of DMC-likes after the glut of the things ended years ago.

>>715959124
>I literally can't think for myself and just follow popular trends
Ok NPC. Elden Ring is literally below average for From Soft. DS1, BB, Sekiro, AC6 and DS3 are all better than Elden Ring.

>>715931894 (OP)
>journo spots his favorite genre
>but the protagonist and bosses have boobs
>so he will slander the game instead

>>715959175
I want more Sekiro likes.

>>715959087
They do. Even rank and file enemies have like a dozen moves, try to defend themselves and counter attack on a whiff or block, frequently have buffs or special abilities, and actively try to surround you.
>>715959093
The best in the action RPG genre at least. They have a lot of mech games and I've played barely any of them so I couldn't tell you which of those they've made is best

>>715959124
Alright then, after Elden Ring, what else has the most elaborate enemies in video games?

>>715959312
Dark Souls 3.

>>715932381
TPBP

>asking the Chinese to stop copy and pasting
good luck.

>>715959309
>The best in the action RPG genre at least
Yep, opinion discarded.

>>715931894 (OP)
>dope

>>715959181
Elden Ring is just DS3 but better in every single way. AC6 isn't even the right genre. You also have not played any of these games much except DS1, which you prefer for being babyshit easy.

>>715931894 (OP)
don't care lol preordered ultimate edition

More journalists should step in and shit on the genre more and Fromsoft if they have more balls.

>>715959154
>High difficulty in other games meant higher numbers, not actually more challenging gameplay execution
i regularly read this argument, and it's definitely true for some games, but here's the kicker, if the combat is bad, you can lower the difficulty, if the combat is uninteresting, you can lower the difficulty, if you're tired after a long day at work, you can lower the difficulty.

>>715959239
booba

>>715931894 (OP)
if you don't like souls games and don't like early access or multiplayer then the industry isn't really making games for you at the moment.

>>715931894 (OP)
Souls like fatigue isn’t real and anyone that claims it is are just fucking bitter. There’s so many game genres out there that getting ass mad that souls likes are more plentiful now is just sour grapes.

Hell nobody even talks about this game here because peoples lives don’t revolve around the latest rollslop game.

>>715957750
No. Everquest wasn't an instance based game like WoW, which changes the entire dynamic of the game.

>>715959359
No argument detected, fag

>>715959362
>DS3 but with the exact same combat with a jump attack that ruins balance, worse bosses all around and non existent level design and being way easier(which makes your cope ass deflection to "muh difficulty" all the more laughable)
Retard

>>715959239
damn those are some nice tits. when the chinks get so tasteful?

>>715959383
>if the combat is bad, you can lower the difficulty, if the combat is uninteresting, you can lower the difficulty,
If the combat is bad or boring, you stop playing the fucking game. Why would you even bother going through the motions if they're not fun?

>>715934601
They sell when they're good.

>>715952306
Gacha is its own thing. It's like expecting game developers to abandon vidya and start making slot machines instead.

>>715959239
Love the variety of the dresses. Kinda disappointed how bulky the chink outfits were in Wo Long.

>>715931894 (OP)

Hell fucking no, i want pic related to enjoy a nice long life it was one of the best games i had played last year.

>>715934601
Dead by Daylight and FNAF

>>715959414
You didn't logic yourself into your own opinion, only believing what other people tell you to think so why would I waste my time trying to argue logic that you never used in the first place? There's never any benefit to arguing with a retard,

>>715959154
>high difficulty in other games meant higher numbers
That's all the difficulty is in FromSoft games as well

>>715959467
Because there's more to a game than just the combat: exploration, story, gameplay...
Maybe you'll get it when you grow older, as a teen i was all about the competitive games too.

>>715959383
>if the combat is bad, you can lower the difficulty
>Playing action game
>The entire point of the game is the gameplay
>the gameplay is shit
>Just turn down the difficulty and beat the game anyway because?????

>>715959424
>with a jump attack that ruins balance,
You haven't played elden ring at all, have you? Being able to jump is amazing, it opens up so much more nuanced movement and control, and jump heavy attacks being a bit overtuned was patched in like march 2023.
>worse bosses all around
DS3 has like 5 decent bosses. Elden Ring's random field bosses are generally better than Gael.
>and non existent level design
The fact that elden ring's levels are separated by open space does not make them not the best From has made (which they are).
>and being way easier
Again, you haven't played it, have you?

>>715937546
>and tired of being barraged by them
wtf does this even mean? Are you going to GameStop and then all the copies of Dark Souls fly off the shelf and beat you up? How hard is it to not play these games or even pay attention to them? There’s like 50 Metroidvanias that release every week but I don’t bitch about being “barraged” by them because I don’t fucking pay attention to the genre. You people are fucking nigger minded holy fuck.

>>715959605
>The entire point of the game is the gameplay
That's every game.

>>715959563
>visit any dark souls 1 2 3, elden ring DLC
>basic enemies that look frail 2-hit u
amazing design miyazaki

>>715959621
>you haven't played it
>massive nonsensical hyperbole
>bad game design is better because I said so
>you haven't played it
11/10 arguments. You are an actual unironic 13 year old.

>>715959602
>Competitive games
We're talking about a single player action RPG, not a ranked FPS.
>gameplay...
You're literally just said that if a game plays like shit, you're still going to just power through if it can be made easy. My question to you is, why the fuck would you do that?

>>715959523
And the DLC i such a good addition

>>715959727
You're giving him too much credit. He's absolutely just shitposting and doesn't actually believe what he's saying.

Why waste time in fake difficult games like souls instead of playing a real game with actual brainpower like Doata 2?

>>715959523
>>715959769
Never really meshed with this. I felt the exploration was really boring and the parry mechanics felt kind of janky and

>>715959727
Here, I'll post it again since you can't fucking read.

"Being able to jump is amazing, it opens up so much more nuanced movement and control, and jump heavy attacks being a bit overtuned was patched in like march 2023."

You stupid fucking illiterate nigger. Also no, levels being separated by an open world is not bad game design, and no, it is not hyperbole to say that DS3 only has a handful of decent bosses. All the "rolling simulator" complaints that people started to bring up in response to From games were actually specifically about DS3, to which it does unironically apply, because it was the only viable defensive option in DS3 and also incredibly easy to use reactively against every boss, including allegedly hard hitters like nameless king. The only boss in the entire game that's even remotely interesting to fight is Friede.

>>715933954
People call fucking Stellar Blade a "Soulslike", it's obscene.

>>715959829
You are a samefag tranny

>>715948189
Oh my sweet summer child, you cannot even fathom how many slop Metroidvanias actually get released every year.

>>715952945
SMTV Vengeance is such a good game

>>715959752
people play diablo to kill monsters and get dopamine from dropping items.
people play soulslike to beat the game and say that they beat the game. it's not a competitive game in the same sense as mobas, but it's still a competition against your peers. just look at everyone saying "git gud" and "being bad at video games" when talking soulslike.

>>715960000
Here's a tip for you newfag. Try not to over exaggerate too much cause it makes it obvious that you're not being genuine. Make your comparisons more reasonable and people will believe you.

>>715959883
>game relies on PvP
the definition of fake difficulty

>>715932381
Actually, they drew the line at Elden Ring, and /v/ collectively decided to shit on them for bashing it and soulslikes in general. We can memory hole that now so we can make this about China, I guess.

>>715960079
>people play soulslike to beat the game and say that they beat the game.
No, they play the game to feel good about overcoming the challenge. Do you just not have any intrinsic reward impulse at all?
>just look at everyone saying "git gud" and "being bad at video games" when talking soulslike.
People are naturally going to defend good games when you shit on them for being more engaging than fucking diablo
>>715960130
I'm not exaggerating or incorrect. Like a redditor, you now pivot to trying to claim I don't even believe what I say because I dared to contradict your lazy subhuman opinion.

>>715945215
>repeat after me, action rpg
That's too broad. Diablo is an action rpg and nowhere close to souls-like. In fact, Diablo has its own subgenre called Diablo-likes.

Souls-like really is its own subgenre of action rpg, you have:
>attribute levels
>weapon movesets
>stamina
>armor/poise
>weight/roll classes
>recharging heal flask
>respawning enemies
>checkpoints
>numerical weapon/armor upgrades
>third person pov
>control scheme favoring controllers rather than kb/m (I'm fully aware some people prefer playing souls-likes with kb/m)
>heavier emphasis on boss battles
>interconnected levels/3D Metroidvania

Not an exhaustive list but if a game is a Souls-like, it meets most of these.

Finally someone shitting on the awful uninspired genre but he was too limp wristed to point out the glaring shit and went on a tangent about boobies bad.

>>715960280
>open fields with nothing in them and the map being 90% empty space is better than intricately crafted tightly designed levels
No I don't think I need to argue against something so blatantly stupid. You could have argued anything but unironically trying to pretend ER has better level design than anything, you lost on the first step bud. Try harder next time and maybe you'll fool anyone.

>>715960247
>Fighting against a real person is fake difficulty
>But fighting against an AI that is designed to lose is real difficulty
?

>>715959894
The exploration in the base game is mostly mediocre but the DLC improves It a lot.
The first 2 levels of the DLC are very unique visually and gameplay wise.

The parry is not permissive put is also not the only option you have: the roll feels strange at first but you get used to its timings and many enemies/bosses become easier if you choose to doge instead of parry

>>715960280
>Do you just not have any intrinsic reward impulse at all?
i'm too old for that shit, i've been playing video games for over 20 years.
when i wipe on a boss i don't think "wow, what could i do better", i think "fuck your shitty boss designers for making this dogshit fight".

The mental Olympics that Fromcultisttrannies go through is astonishing moreso than tendies.

>>715960280
>No, they play the game to feel good about overcoming the challenge
So why do so many people use summons and OP builds that trivialise the game? Go on youtube and search "Elden Ring [Boss]" and you will see that "cheese" is almost always in the top search results.

>>715955497
There’s only so much new shit you can add to a ship before it turn into a train. I don’t want a train a I want a ship. As long as there’s 1 or 2 new mechanics that’s all I need. If I want something new I’ll just play a different genre.

>>715960505
Fromtrannies are probably the only group more delusional than tendies.

>>715960285
Stellar Blade
>recharging heal flask
>respawning enemies
>checkpoints
>third person pov
>heavier emphasis on boss battles
>interconnected levels/3D Metroidvania
Which is almost the bare minimum and yet still gets called a soulslike.

We need more Soulunlikes

>>715960263
>headcannon

>>715952216
>gradually
they immediately returned to it with ER.
Now that the core gameplay is polished they will add gimmicks

>>715959962
I really never understood why. If you played Souls and you played Stellar Blade it's glaringly obvious that they play basically nothing alike. What's "soulslike" in Stellar Blade at all? The fact that you have limited heals in-between checkpoints? I'm convinced this is just something parroted by retards who didn't actually play the games they're talking about.

>>715960442
I don't think I'd say I disliked it but it didn't really pull me in and make me want to play it endlessly either. I plan on finishing it eventually I think it was honestly Elden Ring that just completely burnt me out on the genre.

>>715960768
Because you die in a few hits and the game has estus and checkpoints that reset enemy spawns. That's it.

>>715960768
I mean it's mainly a journo buzzword so it's basically right that it's people who don't play the games

>>715957229
Ninja Gaiden Black Remaster
Ninja Gaiden 4
Monster Hunter Wilds
Lost Soul Aside
Ghost of Yotei
Blades of Fire
Dynasty Warriors Origins
Death Stranding 2
Assassins Creed Shadows

This isn’t a problem with souls games this is a you problem. These are all 2025 games and yet you choose to be a complaining fag.

>>715960390
Elden Ring has fantastic intricately designed levels. Continuing to pretend otherwise just because the game also contains an open world (which no, is not "empty") only further proves my point that you have not fucking played it.
>>715960516
>So why do so many people use summons and OP builds that trivialise the game?
Most people don't.
>Go on youtube and search "Elden Ring [Boss]" and you will see that "cheese" is almost always in the top search results.
That's because when people are looking up a boss fight on youtube, they're looking for help, not to just see some random guy playing the game normally.

>>715957229
Nah, DMC and NG are some of the least fun action games I've ever played. Fuck any action game that thinks depth is just having 9 trillion different combo options. They're as wide as the ocean and as deep as a kiddy pool. It's peak complexity pretending to be depth.

>>715960834
Yeah, that's retarded as expected.

>>715958470
>>the combat style is fine but it's simply stale now. From Software knew this and started to mix it up significantly after Dark Souls 2 yet most Souslikes play it much safer and there's just so many times I can play a game like that
Nioh 1/2, Lies of P, Lord of the Fallen 2023, Thymesia, Wuchang all debunk talking point.
>a game being hard is fine but it has to also feel fair
learn the fucking game nigger
>They were great games but I'm just bored of them and their formula is too simplistic to stay fresh.
Then play another genre you fucking retard

>>715960943
>Most people don't.
Most do. Anyone who's done PvP or co-op would notice the abundance of meta shitters. "ELDEN RING NEW OP BUILD" videos are also common as hell and easily get hundreds of thousands of views.
>That's because when people are looking up a boss fight on youtube, they're looking for help, not to just see some random guy playing the game normally.
Then they'd look for a guide. "Cheese" refers to easily beating the boss with little effort.

>>715960989
Why include NG in a sentence that immediately afterwards proves you haven't played NG

>>715931894 (OP)
i cant get enough honestly, historically there has been a fucking drought of GOOD (keyword) melee combat action adventure games like Zelda and whatnot, and now the rain has come. i hope it stays a while.

>>715961270
Shut up NG tranny. Be as disingenuous as you want but everyone knows you're wrong.

>>715961328
Nice argument. Show your NG clear, not even master ninja just any difficulty. If you find the movelist of Ninja Gaiden too complicated for your peanut brain then stick to simple games like Elden Ring.

>>715933954
It's kinda like dark souls

>>715961410
>post proof bro
Nah, you fuckers are always the same, you post proof and then oh wait actually no that doesn't count. I can spot this deflection a mile away. Come up with a real argument and then we'll talk.

>>715937309
No green bar in sekiro

>>715961614
Stamina was a mistake

>>715959407
Are you fucking legit stupid? I doubt you were even alive when EQ launched.

>>715931894 (OP)
>dope
if whites hate blacks why do they jack their vernacular constantly

>>715961761
whites have been using dope since the 90s

>>715959239
Some stuff in this game looks so fucking sick, I hope it's actually good.

>>715959407
To add to that, you fucking moron. On the server The Nameless. There was a guild called Legacy of Steel that had a ton of Blizzard devs as members. One of which went by Tigole Bitties who was a high ranking dev and openly joked and bragged about STEALING elements of EQ to make WoW.
Stupid fucking zoomers. We need to gas all of gen z and a and start over.

>>715961573
I'm not making any argument. You're the fucking retard saying a movelist containing like 15-20 moves is too much for your microscopic retard brain. Disproving retards is a waste of time. So prove you are not a retard and make your argument beyond "it's too much for my non existent, gaping hole of a cerebrum to handle".

>>715961914
games all steal from each other, that's just the way of the world
i'm expecting a slew of expedition 33 clones in the next few years.

>>715961267
>Anyone who's done PvP or co-op would notice the abundance of meta shitters.
Most people do not do PVP or co-op with strangers.
>Then they'd look for a guide. "Cheese" refers to easily beating the boss with little effort.
It's just a change in vernacular.

>>715961834
blacks have been using it to refer to things as cool since the early 80s

>>715944448
spot on

>>715931894 (OP)
what's with people constantly bitching about this genre?
just don't fucking play it.
I hate tactical RPGs but Im not going to cry like a little faggot everytime a new one is release. its baffling

>>715962070
>Muh meta
Who actually falls for this shit? Are humans really that much of sheep they can't think for themselves anymore?

>>715931894 (OP)
apparently you can only parry with some weapons, only block with some weapons and have to dodge the rest and there is a inner demon that rises up if you die too often and attacks you and the enemies outside of boss fights im hyped for this game it looks good

>>715961732
I very much was, played it too. You have to be a massive retard to think instances don't make a difference in how the game is played.

>>715962295
>Steal the base game
>Steal the main concepts and ideas
>Add one thing
>Call it the OG and something "new"
I bet you think Apple "invented" widgets too, don't you?

>>715962070
>Most people do not do PVP or co-op with strangers.
They most certainly do.
>It's just a change in vernacular.
No it isn't. A guide teaches you how to deal with mechanics, attacks, abilities, etc. Cheese refers to trivialising something to the point where you barely have to interact with the enemy.
>Sprint underneath the boss when it flies into the air
That's a guide.
>Stand in this spot and the boss won't be able to hit you at all while you can still hit it with magic/projectiles.
That's cheese.

>>715959523
I'm sure the game is good but I can't get past the aesthetic and presentation.
Korean people have really poor taste and their culture is gaudy.
I hate the stupid steampunk shit.

>>715962510
I'm not saying WoW is anything new. Yeah, it copied the vast majority of EQ, but the lack of a persistent world and the use of instances changed the game enough to the point where calling it an EQ clone is too much of a praise.

>>715962774
Steampunk shit is not inherent to koreans.
You just hate steampunk.
The west did it before too but to less success.

>>715956869
>Clunky, high commital moveset
>Extremely limited movement options
>Grimdark setting
>Forgive me, bazinga tier "deep" "story"

>>715934695
LotF is a soulslike for people who enjoy the bits in-between bosses and want to struggle to find the next bonfire while their healing runs low
Although the difficulty has probably been nuked by patches at this point and magic was always overpowered, the appeal of the game is that the world you spend most of your time progressing through is not just a set of corridors designed to pad the game out

>>715962220
It's because they get filtered by them and their ego is bruised.

>>715957531
No they're not , they're assbent into trying to kneecap ublock right now over anything else

>>715962910
Yeah. I hate steampunk AND koreans

>>715963450
Well sucks to be you then.

>make any game with moderate difficulty
game journo subhumans: "this is... le dark souslike of roguevanias!!"
>make another game with moderate difficulty
game journo subhumans: "there are too many videogames being made"

>>715960768
Souls is primarily responsible for popularising the concept of enemy attack animations that you defend against by watching the animations and then blocking or dodging on reaction

No it didn't invent this, no it is not the only genre which does this, however prior to DeS the overwhelming majority of developers did not care whether their enemy animations could be seen and actively responded to on reaction as a primary gameplay mechanic. Games before that era have mechanics which lean heavily on the actions of the player to kill enemies before they hurt you, where enemy animations are usually unseeable and the player may not have a means of actively defending themselves anyway besides hitting first. Where the player was supposed to respond to enemies this was commonly handled via prompts and QTEs

In contrast DeS enemy animations were so slow and so telegraphed and the idea of waiting and responding to enemy animations was so obvious and important to the gameplay that it slapped every developer in the face and made them all realise suddenly that animations themselves could be a gameplay mechanic and not just a visual nicety. This is why you now have enemy animations that you can watch and defend against on reaction in MMOs, FPS games, random cinematic movie games, fucking turn based JRPGs and every third person action game made in the last decade

>>715948189
>There are almost no new metroidvanias releasing
a new one nearly every other day this year so far, my man.

https://store.steampowered.com/search/?sort_by=Released_DESC&term=metroidvania&supportedlang=english&ndl=1

>>715958684
>paying for the expansion and even 4 months of playtime EACH,
I pity your friend, poor guy didn't realized WoW was complete shit all throughout shadowlands and never bothered to try anything new

>>715963983
>This is why you now have enemy animations that you can watch and defend against on reaction in MMOs, FPS games
Holy retard. You gen alphas are hilarious.

he is right, you faggots

>>715960768
Stellar Blade was influenced by Sekiro and Kim stated as such. While the game has obviously deviations from some of the troupes of a souls games it also leans on them quite a bit. Everything from enemy placement to boss design to the checkpoint system is so clearly souls on a fundamental level that to claim there isn’t any overlap is just delusion. There’s a reason why CAGfags don’t claim SB as their game and it’s because it doesn’t really play like a CAG despite the aesthetics.

>>715963983
>This is why you now have enemy animations that you can watch and defend against on reaction in..., FPS games
Halo had that 24 years ago, just to make one example i'm familiar with. I'm sure other anons will provide other examples.

>>715964478
Not just sekiro but also God of War 2018 and Star Wars Fallen Order. Stellar Blade was influenced by a whole lot of other games.
>boss design to the checkpoint system is so clearly souls on a fundamental level
This is the part where it gets tricky. Do people lump Sekiro together with Souls? Because for example, Mann and Scarlet pretty much fight like your average DMC/MGR boss but you can also parry them as you want like in Sekiro.

>>715964413
>Gen Alpha
I'm old enough to be your dad faggot
It was entirely normal in action games prior to DeS for animations to be far too fast for a player to wait and respond to them, or have no means of responding to them, where the expected approach is to hit or kill enemies before they kill you. This applies to Ninja Gaiden, it applies to marines in Doom, it applies to practically every RPG until relatively recently. Funnily enough if you go back far enough to the 8-16bit era you can see how the most common means of enemy attack used to be slow moving projectiles that you could see and avoid, but as soon as we moved on to trying to animate attacks the lack of hardware and animation budget to make slower attack animations meant that we had a very long period of time where all attacking animations were too short to realistically respond to.

DeS marks a turning point where everybody collectively remembers that if you slow attacks down you can have gameplay where players respond to what enemies are doing. This is a very significant impact that Souls has had on the gaming industry, you don't acknowledge this because you're too young to remember how games worked before even fucking Dragonage Veilguard had slow attack animations and a dodge roll. The important change that Souls brought wasn't the dodge roll, it was the animations that are slow enough that you can have a dodge roll as a mechanic. It wasn't Monhun that popularised that change, it was DeS showing how you could apply and incorporate the concept into a whole game full of regular humanoids in corridors instead of just a big monster

>>715957508
>he downloads from Skidrow
LMAO

>>715964724
And first person shooters have existed before Wolvenstein, but it doesn't matter who technically did something first, it matters who does it well enough to inspire the whole industry to follow suit

>>715964724
He did say it didn't create the concept but it proliferated it throughout every genre in pretty much every game with action. And I agree with that.

>>715966057
>this game made the concept popular
meh, boss with mechanics were always a thing. the only thing they proliferated is the stupid dodge roll.

>>715960796
Yeah, Elden Ring causes that.
Its map is soo big and with soo much repeated content that it becomes tiring.
And it has, in my opinion, the worst combat in the series.

It is also ok to summon the NPC helper during boss fights, not everyone has the time to learn every move a boss has ( and the NPC summons in the DLC have unique attacks and special cutscenes ).

Also, it is ok too not want to play a game endlessly. If a game requires all your free time it becomes a second job and stops being fun.

But, in the end, if you don't feel like continuing the game there is nothing wrong with that. You tired it , didn't like it and moved on ( maybe to another game you might enjoy better )

>>715965035
>Not just sekiro but also God of War 2018 and Star Wars Fallen Order
Both of those games are heavily Fromsoft inspired though. Fallen Order specifically is just Sekiro with lightsabres while nu-GoW is a horrible piece of shit moviegame but their new formula for basic combat mechanics is chasing the trend of slow third person enemy animations that you can defend against on reaction. Nu-GoW isn't just doing this for a boss gimmick, it's doing it for every attack on every generic mook enemy and the reason for that can be traced directly to Fromsoft. By contrast GoW3 is a very traditional action game where mook enemies have unseeable animations and you are expected to prevent damage by hitting them first

>>715931894 (OP)
>decade+ of souls, rehases of souls, sequels, renamed souls games
>GOTYAY OMG SO COOL DID YOU SEE HOW HARD THAT GARGOYLE ANALLY WRECKED ME OMG SO COOL SO HARDD!
>china makes two similar games
>OKAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH THESE FUCKING CHIN-

>>715967332
What was the other one? Surely not wukong because that was a God of War/Asura's Wrath clone more than anything else and it was mostly just a boss rush game

>>715959239
you gooners have a bigger victim complex than any wokie
lmao

>>715969864
you see what the aussie women did this week?