are you for or against an easy mode in souls-like and other difficult type games?
i want an easy mode because if i bought a game i want to be able to experience all the content, not being locked out due to bullshit

>if I bought the game I want to be able to experience all the content
the game on easy mode is different content than the game on normal. you're not asking to be allowed to play the game, you're asking for a different game altogether.

>>715945085 (OP)
they're not dfficult
speaking a new language fluently is difficult
getting a doctorate degree in your field is difficult
raising a well-adjusted and kind child is difficult

you are an adult, souls games are not difficult

>>715945085 (OP)
I want easy mode so that the devs dont need to nerf the games into the ground shortly after relase like fromsoft always does
>the difficulty mode is the equipment you get to choose!
wrong.
players should be able to tell other players to go play easy mode when they complain the game is too hard. And difficulty modes should primarily affect enemy AI

I don't think games should have difficulty settings at all to begin with. Everybody should get the same experience and rarely if ever is a "hard mode" actually worth suffering through because of how artificially difficult they make it.

>>715945085 (OP)
That picture makes no sense. For the bottom panel to be true she would need to be happy for there to be difficulty options.

>>715945085 (OP)
Why can easy mode fags never shut the fuck up about easy mode? They constantly need to tell you that they play on easy mode and that it's fine and all games should have easy mode. Shut the fuck up

>>715945085 (OP)
you're not entitled to an easy mode, and shaming people who like hard games like a woman doesn't bolster your argument

>>715945085 (OP)
>easy mode would ruin the game
yes, in the very specific case of dark souls and fromsoftware games, as that is how they are designed. retards don't understand this and if you're going to try and posit otherwise then you can get out of my face with your retardation. I don't want to hear it.
>people need to git gud
people who complain about being told to git gud don't even exist. people who go around telling others to git gud when they genuinely ask for help also don't exist. it's all a psyop to inject into this fandom this needless conversation about difficulty. if you are genuinely having trouble with the game and you ask for help, 99 times out of 100 you're going to get constructive feedback and even a line of people waiting to be summoned by you so they can help. the only people who ever got told to git gud were faggots who complained about the game being too hard without taking the time to learn how to play it properly.
>I want to fee special for beating the game on hard
there are many more difficult games than fromsoft games, and even if you complete those games you are not some superhuman elite or something like that. bitches are too sensitive these days, just take a bit of banter for christ sake. yes I am better than you because I can perfect parry malenia and do a rune level 1 no damage playthrough of the game. deal with it. there are a lot of games I don't care about to git gud at them, but guess what - if I don't want to put in the effort, I just don't play those games. maybe you should do the same with dark souls for crying out loud.

I am against easy mode because these games were never designed around it, and they already have numerous ways you can make them easier for yourself, including spirit ashes, summoning, particular stat investment and equipment, and various strategies that can trivialize pretty much any boss more or less.

A game for everyone is a game for no one. Git gud or git out.

>>715945134
fpbp and /thread

>>715945570
Case in point>>715945616

>>715945085 (OP)

>>715945758
the original complaints surrounding the supposed toxicity and elitism in the souls fandom were
>these elitists won't help me!! if I ask for advice about my build or strategies for a particular enemy, I am just told to git gud!!!! that's toxic!!!!!
that's not what's going on here, and arguably it never happened. then, this "discussion" morphed into
>the playerbase of the souls games have a distaste for accessibility!!!!! we want to design games in such a way that 80 year old blind grandmas can complete them!!!! the souls community is against this and is therefore toxic, elitist gakekeepers!!!!!

point is that it's fucking ridiculous. OP never asked for help, btw. he's over here talking shit. again, the only time people were ever told to git gud was when they whined so hard about dying and losing souls and, when others attempted to give them pointers on how to build their character and succeed, they responded by pouting and saying the game should have been designed for toddlers.

>>715945085 (OP)
Every second the devs dedicate to an easy mode is a second that can be used to make the game better.

>>715945134
fpbp, thread should have ended here, but we all know its gonna reach bump limit

The irony about Souls Players not wanting an easy mode in their game probably couldn't handle nothing but the easier difficulties in something like Ninja Gaiden.

>>715945085 (OP)
I'd rather games have 1 difficulty and devs spent more time designing content for the game and not pandering to games journalists and fake fans that only like a game, because they know it's popular right now.

>>715945085 (OP)
I don't think I really care. Easy Mode doesn't make my accomplishments in Dante Must Die less valid - why would it in another kind of game?

>>715945085 (OP)
I agree with that one post about tourist mode where you can just go anywhere and see the pretty scenery with no risk.
However, I think it should have one major inclusion: enemies only aggro if you attack them first. That way, you can still enjoy the boss fights if you want.

>>715945085 (OP)
>i want to be able to experience all the content
The difficulty is an integral part of the content, easy mode should be called "Story mode" for those who just want to experience story and don't care about the actual game.

>>715945085 (OP)
There are already easy modes from items, builds, etc

>>715946219
People that don't care about the actual game should fuck off and find a different hobby. Retard.

>>715945085 (OP)
video games are for fun
if it enables more fun, i support it

>>715945085 (OP)
Soulslikes best be a static challenge, yeah. Even better, kill grinding like in Sekiro. Even better yet, stop fucking around and make an action game...

Souls-like doesn't really need an easy mode. The majority of the game is already easy. They just need to tone down some of the more bullshit boss fights and then anyone could beat those games.

>make dark souls 4 as intended
>next they add an easy mode
>easy mode are just three lines of code that alter damage modifiers
>hardcore players can play and beat the game as intended
>but now normal players can beat the game as well
>everyone has fun and can enjoy the full game
it's not that deep

>>715945085 (OP)
>are you for or against an easy mode
Yes, I want the feeling of a game being a challenge.
Things like easy modes and ways to bypass the challenge make it feel like I'm just doing some self imposed nonsense by not choosing easy mode. It ruins the feeling of accomplishment.
It's like, imagine a game gives you OP moves and weapons that ruin any challenge. Sure you can just choose to not use the OP moves and weapons, but that doesn't feel nearly as satisfying.
Same reason why disabling fast travel via mods hits different than just deciding to not use fast travel.

>>715946332
>>easy mode are just three lines of code that alter damage modifiers
That wouldn't work.

To make Dark Souls easy mode you'd have to modify enemy AI so they behave less aggressively.

>>715946191
In DMC you unlock harder difficulties as you beat the game. Working up to DMD feels like an accomplishment in itself and beating it feels rewarding.
DMD is also a challenge mode for people experienced with the game. Meanwhile, DMC on normal does not feel accomplishing to beat because easy exists.

>>715945085 (OP)
>Games should just always have a "Pick this option to turn it into the most boring button masher imaginable" mode.
>Their critiques that the game is the most boring button masher imaginable are just as valid as anyone who actually engaged with the game systems, and tried to learn how it works.

Why do people say "I wish I could play Elden Ring, but it just needs to change"? If you want to play Elden Ring, then play Elden Ring. If you want to change things about the game first, then you don't want to play Elden Ring.

>>715946270
It's up to the devs if they want to include a story mode, doesn't affect me. The motivation for devs and publishers is just going be profit anyhow so it doesn't matter because they're only going to spend as much time and money on it as they think they can get out of it.

>>715946332
>altering damage modifiers
but the game already allows you to do that. you can increase your damage output in the following ways:
>leveling up
>reinforcing your weapon
>infusing your weapon
>using the appropriate damage type and status effect against your foe
>using various character buffs in the form of consumables or spells
>using spirit ashes
>accepting the help of another person

Games shouldn't have an easy more or a hard mode, they should just be fucking balanced. Most of the time when I see difficulty settings get brought up it's just people advising to change them to get around a poorly designed boss

>>715945085 (OP)
No difficulty settings centers the game's communal experience. Beating Malenia is beating Malenia. Nobody has to ask what difficulty you were on or whatever. It lends itself better to discussion, build talk, strategies because the conversation isn't complicated by what you can get away with in an easy mode vs hard mode.

It's a big part of Souls' success. The games would be less interesting with an easy setting.

>>715946532
Normal and Easy exist at the start, dude. You're not wrong, but my point stands because you're not really countering my sentiment at all. I don't care if a guy goes into DMC5 and plays it on Easy to blow off steam after work, or if some grandma is playing it with a grandkid and only has one working hand or whatever the fuck else. I just do not care. My entertainment is not diminished by them and their options existing.

>>715945085 (OP)
>GUYS LE HECKIN DORK SOULS IS LE HARD AND ONLY FOR EPIC GAMERS
>BUT UH YOU HAVE TO NOT USE CERTAIN BUILDS, CERTAIN WEAPONS, CERTAIN GAME MECHANICS OR YOU DIDN'T BEAT THE GAME
You're all faggots

>>715946809
do you really believe that there are people out there who revel in their ability to play a game on the hardest difficulty, not because they're good at it and receive an intrinsic satisfaction, but because they know that someone else is unable to do so and thus it makes them feel special? how does the inclusion of an easy mode dissipate that sort of elitism?

>>715946809
>but my point stands because you're not really countering my sentiment at all
I think you're right for DMC.
Problem is, DMC isn't really about conquering a grim, oppressive dark fantasy world. It's more arcadey and fun. It's basically about getting high scores if you really boil it down.

>>715946937
What else would be the problem with an easy mode existing lmao

>>715945982
You have never been to steam forums or any other gaming social media then. Every attempt to criticize a game's mechanics or flaws is always met with fanboys telling the person to gitgud or having a skill issue.

I'm in for easy mode, what I'm against is niggers thinking that because they beat it on "hard", they somehow are better than anyone beating it on "easy", as if your experience mattered more.
The reality is, the de-facto "easy" and "hard" experience are more alike, than "hard" and "manufactured hard".

>>715946963
I don't necessarily disagree about some fundamental "essence" of design and intent being different, sure. Though going down that line of logic, I'd argue Souls games DO have difficulty modes. Its just diegetic instead of a menu option. When ever you seek out a build that is known to cheese certain issues, or grind souls to beef up a stat when you feel you're lacking in an area, you're doing it. You're turning the difficulty slider down.

>>715946982
well specifically for dark souls, you're fucking with the game's design philosophy by insisting that an easy mode should exist. fromsoft aren't some mustache-twirling-elite-gamer-pandering-accessibility-hating-tryhard-elitists-who-hate-fun, they're trying to deliver a particular experience. that experience is designed around a certain difficulty curve that fluctuates as you progress. people take umbrage with you wanting to fuck with that, not at the idea that games in general should be more accessible or whatever.
>>715947036
it's just banter and you're overly sensitive. if you have good criticism, most of the time people will at least consider it. sure, there's always going to be assholes who will sling insults at you, but lo and behold, do you know where you are? this is the internet, amigo. welcome aboard. is it your first day? just saying, that's how it is online, regardless of the discussion. it's not an excuse, just an explanation.

>>715945085 (OP)
Did a woman make this picture? Who thinks like this
I pick Hard cuz Normal is always too easy

You aren't experiencing the content of climbing up a mountain if you go into a menu and change the difficulty to hill mode.

>>715945085 (OP)
>i want an easy mode because if i bought a game i want to be able to experience all the content, not being locked out due to bullshit

Built in cheat codes would be better. Like Blizzard's RTS games. That way the devs can tailor the game experience as they wish and aren't wasting time trying to tune the game around multiple difficulties.

>>715947151
It's not really banter. Literally 90% of video game discussion right now is completely pointless because you cant really complain or criticize anything regarding difficulty or wonky combat mechanics anymore because soulslikes have brainwashed people to sucking up to game design like this and power through it. Complain a boss is bugged like skipping animations or wonky hitboxes? Git gud. Complain that the level design is horribly because platforming suck ass? Skill issue.

>>715947246
Funny you say that, because on climbing an actual mountain, going barebones with nothing but your feet on a road, and going with professional trekking poles without a road, and climbing from the steep side with climbing gear, and going up piloting yourself in your own personal helicopter, are all different ways to experience the mountain climb without making any of them "the right way"

>>715945085 (OP)
I really don't care

>>715945085 (OP)
Don't really care, how someone plays a game affects me in no way at all

>>715947309
I disagree. you see valid criticism levied at these games all the time, often in the most distasteful ways possible, but that's nothing new. people criticized elden ring's open world design, for example. maybe stop paying attention to retards and have conversations with people who are willing to hear what you have to say. maybe don't assume that because someone disagrees with you that they're disregarding you from a position of superiority or bad faith.

if you tell me that malenia is too hard, I'm going to disagree. that's not because I'm some elitist, but because my experience has been the opposite. if you tell me her waterfowl dance is ridiculous, then I can agree with that, despite having overcome it in my own way. most of the time, there are ways to actually deal with the game's challenges. how many people have genuinely tried everything they can before taking to the forums and bitching relentlessly about this or that aspect of the game? sometimes it's tiresome, to hear the same retardation over and over again.

>>715947302
the decline of palworld proves you are wrong.
The more "freedom" you give to the players, the less they engage with "your" content because it stops being your content and becomes something else.
You know what it is, it is the equivalent of modern art "it's a white canvas, the art is what you make yourself in your imagination! Signed: Retardettelius Mcgee Tag $60k"

>>715947547
I'm not even talking about fromsoft games, which is the issue. Look at steam forums.
>mention the game's combat is too slow and it should be faster and have animation cancels like bayonetta as a suggestion
>immediately get flooded by responses and jesters telling me to git gud instead of complaining
And this happens with almost every game nowadays. You cant criticize games anymore because everyone just tells you that you have skill issue.

What games actually slap your shit if you do the standard 'straight to hard mode' first playthrough because of all the difficulty label inflation in other games.

>>715947727
Stellar Blade I think. Hard mode is balanced for NG+ uprades. So if you do it on a fresh playthrough, enemies kill you in 2 hits.

>>715947706
>video game discourse sucks ass in general
ok, fair enough. /v/ is a testament to that sentiment, if there ever was one. not much to be done about that I guess. me, I just try to say my peace and that's it. I don't expect anyone to understand or relate.

>>715946502
no need to alter ai, they can flail on you all they want as long as the damage is much less

>>715946575
that is for the hardcore crowd, normal people won't go through all that trouble

>>715945085 (OP)
>i want to feel special for beating the game on hard
lol and that can be flipped right back around to retards want to feel special for beating the game at all. I genuinely dont give a fuck about what people play on but I will never get my head around playing on roll your face across the keyboard difficulty, especially for a non story heavy game. Like what the fuck are you gonna get from wolfenstein or doom playing on anything below normal. And the whole souls shit is just too fucking funny, all the whining for years to make game easier when its been there from the start BUT NOT LIKE THAT

>>715947880
>retards want to feel special for beating the game at all
you got it wrong, i just want to be able to experience the full game to the end

sekiro is a beautiful game i never would have seen in its entirety had i not used cheats
paying for a game only to be able to see 20% of it is bullshit

>>715947775
>hard just means more pixel perfect
are shmups the hardest games of all time?

>>715945085 (OP)
It doesnt bother me but Souls games are communal thing. Everyone has to struggle and have a similar experience That is an essential part of the game.

>>715945085 (OP)
dont buy it then
kys faggot

>>715948032
you're going to accuse me of telling you to git gud, but I'm genuinely curious - why were you so bad at the game that you couldn't complete it? what did you try to do to mitigate that problem? when did you decide to give up? I don't understand people like you; if something is too hard for me and I don't have the motivation to keep going, then I just drop it.

I dropped overwatch, hero shooters in general; mobas and battle royale games, because I don't want to invest my time into becoming proficient enough at them to compete with people who have made it their entire lives to focus on that one thing. I am effectively phased out of the playerbase, and that is by choice. nobody ever told me to stop playing, I just dropped these games because it ain't for me.

so what motivated you to want to keep going, and why wasn't it enough to help you succeed?

>>715947727
Recently I picked up Nier Automata and I found the start of the game very rough diving straight into hard since 1 hit is usually enough to put you into critical HP and many things just one-shot you. Also no checkpoints in the prologue was a cruel trick. Perversely the game gets gradually easier towards the end though because your numbers increase due to levelling and chips.

>>715948032
>paying for a game only to be able to see 20% of it is bullshit
skill issue, if I can do it your only excuse is being disabled

>>715945085 (OP)
your image is arguing for no difficulty, so once you become accustomed to a game there's no upper ceiling, and thus no push back, it just becomes 'press up to win"

>>715947727
Living With Sister: Monochrome Fantasy
it warns you about hard mode and is dead serious

>erdtree dlc adds damage modifiers
>nice, can we use that as an easy mode for the next game?
>NOOOOOOOOOO IT WILL RUIN THE GAME
>GIT GUD GIT GUD GIT GUD GIT GUD

>You're retarded for wanting to feel special!
>but I want the game to cater to me so I can also join the special people

>>715948206
sekiro is a rhythm game that punishes you and wastes your time for failing
i ain't got time for that, got shit to do

but as mentioned, it's a very beautiful game and i wanted to see it all

>>715947880
>beating the game
You know people play games for reasons other than beating them, right? There's enjoyment to be found in the this medium other from the feeling of (meaningless) accomplishment you get for "beating" something that's essentially a toy.

>>715947727
I can't remember if FTL hard mode is available straight away but if it is then it would be fucking miserable trying to get your first victory without touching normal or (more likely) easy.

>>715948403
>people beating the game on hard are "special people"
good job proving his point

>>715948425
>I ain't got time for that
>for "that"
>"that" being the act of developing the ability to recognize an incoming attack and react appropriately to it
now you're going to accuse me of being bad faith, but it sounds to me like you didn't put in a lot of effort into becoming proficient with the game. key words being "sounds like" because I wasn't there, I don't know how much or how little effort you actually put it, but if I had to hazard a guess, you're upset because the game didn't get on its knees and seppuku itself for you.

if it's beautiful and you want to see it in its entirety, you can just watch a playthrough online, you didn't need to actually buy the game. now, your solution of cheating the game is fine if you just wanted to explore its levels, but don't act like you didn't get your money's worth because you didn't take the time to properly learn how to play.

>>715945085 (OP)
I'm fine with difficulty modes, but only if you're locked into whatever difficulty you chose at the start, no flip-flopping, no temptation to drop it down "just for this one part", and only if some achievements are still exclusive to hard/max difficulties.

Capcom games like Resident Evil generally tick all these boxes.

>boot up new fromsoft title
>pick a difficulty
>easy mode, take less damage and deal more
>maybe even higher loot drop chance and more healing charges
>normal mode, as intended
>hard mode, unlocked after beating the game
>late game enemies appear earlier
simple as

>>715948206
>I dropped overwatch, hero shooters in general; mobas and battle royale games, because I don't want to invest my time into becoming proficient enough at them to compete with people who have made it their entire lives to focus on that one thing. I am effectively phased out of the playerbase, and that is by choice. nobody ever told me to stop playing, I just dropped these games because it ain't for me.

I'm kind of on your side. But your points underly one of the annoyances in modern competitive gaming. As a kid I was a huge tekken fan (1-3,Tag) and I was usually just playing against my friends in my living room. Now moving on to Tekken 8, I feel llke to enjoy matchmaking at all I have to put enough time learning to git gud, tellng myself I better have a future career in it.

>>715948456
Oh I can tell what a giant faggot you are for jumping on that like that's all I meant lol.

>>715947860
Why do you keep saying that playing the game as intended is "hardcore"? I'm casual as fuck, I enjoy hard games. I'm just not retarded.

>>715948619
took me 10 hours to reach and beat the dude with bow up in the tower
thought the game would be over soon by then but anons told me that was just the end of the tutorial

i was like naahh and downloaded a trainer

>>715948623
locking difficulty is literally the worst of all worlds, It always makes me choose a lower difficulty than I would otherwise just in case the developers are retarded and hard actually means "play perfectly or kys faggot"

>>715945085 (OP)
So, you're telling me that a woman can beat the game on hard but you can't?

>>715948619
Nta but nigger it's video game. You could be learning to play an instrument, reading a book or spending time with your family. Past the age of 15 you've gotta start valuing your time a little bit more to know no to waste it on menial shit like memorizing attack patterns of one enemy in one game you will play for a week and then forget about it altogether.

Easy mode ruins games, yes.
People will just take the shortcut. It's basically a game that comes with legal cheats.
And I hate Elden Ring for including summons.

I don't think games should be made accessible or approachable by all audiences. A game should not be required to have accessibility features, an easy mode, a story, or any other requirements modern media wants to enforce on games. If a game's success is partially attributed to it's difficulty, it clearly wasn't meant for all audiences. If a game developer's vision for a game is for it to be difficult to the majority who play it, it should be within that game developer's right to have it exactly that way.

People who want easy mode and insist on begging for it and complaining about it, regardless of the developer's wishes, are simply entitled children who believe every piece of media should be made and catered towards them, without them putting in any effort to learn about it or understand it.

And yes, learning about and understanding a game doesn't simply only involve the story. A game developer makes a game with more elements than just a story. Gameplay, mechanics, music, art style, character design, so many things. If the difficulty is part of what the developer uses to express their creativity, it's an insult to demand them to change it, and in my opinion, if you're insulting the developer, you don't really deserve to play the game they made. I mean, if I Wanna Be The Boshy had an easy mode, wouldn't that completely defeat the purpose of the game? "But I want to see the entire game and all it has to offer!" How can you say that if you don't even understand the main aspect of the game in this particular instance?

Media wants to portray gamers as children, immature, et cetera. Why do they insist on games being catered to them by lowering the difficulty? What drives this entitlement? Again, it's just idiotic, shallow-minded people thinking that every piece of media should be able to be consumed by them. For an individual, it could be laziness, insecurity, stubborness, and so on.

I played the Lies of P DLC on the medium difficulty cause I was in NG+
It was fun

>"easy mode BAD!"
>"why yes of course I used mimic tear and moonveil, it's part of the game, why wouldn't I?

>>715948785
Then don't play games. Simple as that.

>>715945245
Ofc they are difficult.
Not everyone is made the same. For some speaking a new language fluently is not difficult, for some its easy to immerse themselves into a language and learn it.
For some raising a well adjusted and kind child is easy, as they live that way themselves. So a child mimicking what the parents do makes it trivial.
Souls games were made with being difficult in mind. And they are difficult.
No comment on the doctorate degree, because it depends on the field, and how well connected you are. Since a doctorate without connections is difficult, with connections its trivial.

>>715948868
>Why yes of course I equip weapons instead of using my fists.

>>715948868
Honestly, I've beaten the entirety of Elden Ring with only a straight sword and a buckler with no summons. I've beat Heolstor and every Nightreign everdark sovereign so far with every character solo. I don't fault people for playing how they like though, because that's the way FromSoft made the game. Asking them to change it though is just idiotic. They shouldn't have to.

>>715948815
when i first played lies of peak back at launch i quit in the church due to bullshit
then i tried again now with the easy mode and made it much further
but quit again due to bullshit in the robot mall

>>715948664
yeah, in general, it takes a lot more effort to enjoy modern multiplayer and I don't know that I like it, but I'm also not going to suggest that I should have my name plastered on the top 100 leaderboard without actually earning it.
>>715948745
you're about halfway through the game, and honestly you should give it another try. a standard playthrough shouldn't be more than 40 hours.
>>715948785
>it's a video game
>he says on /v/
>the video game enthusiast's board
please, get that nonsense out of my face. look, I get your point but it's not going to take some incredible amount of time to learn how to play any given modern AAA title and that includes fromsoftware games. besides, I'm sure everyone here who even remotely considers themselves an aficionado or an enthusiast has put in hundreds of hours into at least one game over the course of their lives. if you want to be some grindcore sigma male time efficient self improvement type, then might I suggest that you abandon video games in their entirety?

>>715948943
there it is lmao

>>715948785
Then why the fuck are you playing a video game in the first place, dipshit? How is wasting your time practicing one game to beat it somehow more of a waste of time than playing through 3 modern narrative experiences that play themselves? You don't *get* anything by beating a game. There's nothing to win. Playing through a game means absolutely nothing.

"Valuing your time" my fucking ass, if you valued your time you wouldn't play a game in the first place you retarded faggot. 14 hours wasted playing one game is the exact same amount of hours wasted as 14 hours playing 3 games.

>>715948992
Where's the difference between using weapons and summoning? All you're doing is possibly reducing the time it takes to beat a boss.

>>715948946
>man with autism and no life 100% very difficult games
>sir, do you think more people should be able to do what you do?
>lmao no

>>715949013
casual seething

>>715945085 (OP)
I'm against easy games in general. Hard games just have more replay value.

>everyone should be able to have sex!
>force women to have easy mode!

>>715949068
You want to see some hardcore seething?

>>715949062
Nice job completely avoiding my point entirely. Ignoring your judge of my character, my point is that developers should be entitled to make a game the way they want, in any way that suits their vision. There are hundreds of games that are made all the time for the sole purpose of being difficult. The only autists here are the ones unable to understand and comprehend basic creative endeavors by the developers and just want to go "OMG... BUT THE STORY SO PEAK!" because that's the only amount of expression in media their minds can comprehend, only the bare minimum that is spoonfed to them in the easiest way possible with zero effort.

>>715945085 (OP)
I agree. Easy games should exist.
However, you're not entitled to easy mode in every single game just like I'm not entitled to a hard mode in every single game.
When you encounter a game that doesn't feature difficulty selection, the correct mindset isn't
>MAKE THE GAME EASIER FOR EVERYONE
the correct mindset is this
>this game is too difficult for me, I'll play another game
You don't have to play every single game on the market. It's okay to miss some, it's okay to miss the super popular game because you don't enjoy its difficulty. You won't get stoned for it.
Similarly, if you go to the gym and see a machine with a set amount of weight that can't be changed, you shouldn't complain that you can't use the machine, you should go and use a different, easier machine.
This problem isn't exclusive to vidya.

This mentality for games to bend to the lowest common denominator is what ruined quite a few game series, like Monster Hunter.
People wanted the game to be easier instead of just playing a different game altogether.

>>715945085 (OP)
Wanting to feel special for beating a difficult game is a valid argument. Easy mode would ruin Souls games the way it has ruined other games. I'd argue no game should have easy mode at all, just normal and a NG+ hard more. Simply make some games easier and some games more difficult, whichever fits the particular game better. Difficulty settings are almost always dogshit and anything apart from Normal is unplayable unbalanced garbage. The games that have proper Hard modes usually lock them behind NG+ because they require you to have mastered the mechanics.
Is Dark Souls too difficult for you? Play a different fucking game there are hundreds of them that are good.
Same goes for easy games. Is Assassin's Creed so easy it's too boring for you? Play a different game.
There is a massive difference between wanting a fun challenging game and being a difficulty snob. I want Souls to be difficult because it makes them more fun and the accomplishment of beating them feels nice. No, I don't wear beating a fucking video game as a badge of honor, it's ridiculous. I just don't want games ruined by game journalist easy mode, simple as that. Even normies have embraced difficult games when they're balanced well, these easy mode retards are actually just a loud minority. Notice how all of these retards come from reddit or twitter. Everyone else if they dislike how difficult some games are just move on to different titles.

videogames aren't hard. there's no such thing as a hard videogame. 99.999% of videogame achievements are simply a result of time spent and repetition and the rest are autistic shit like speedrunning which no one should care about.
If a game is difficult all it's asking you to do is invest more time into it because videogames are designed to be learned and completed. If you'd rather whine about a game being too hard then the game is simply not for you and that's okay. Not everything should be for everyone

Pretending like completing a difficult videogame is impressive is like saying completing a jigsaw puzzle is impressive. It's not, every human being alive is capable of doing it.

>>715949139
smart and clever boys can get sex for free
stupid ugly boys can pay for sex

>>715945085 (OP)
>can just play on easy mode and shut the fuck up
>but you HAVE to make shitty memes like this because deep down you feel ashamed for playing on easy difficulty so you lash out
THATS the pathetic part not you playing on easy

>>715948868
>mimic tear
I gotta say that shit was one of the most busted things I've seen in a game. I think it was post first nerf I went into ng+ and that thing was able to do every boss up to and including sewer mohg by itself using nothing but some decent armor and a claymore, usually on the first try too. Half the time I forgot to unequip the torch which would make it retarded too.

>>715948868
>game is poorly designed and balanced
>this is the player's fault for not gimping themselves to your standard

>>715949305
Why were you using a torch in a game that has a lamp

>>715945570
The harsh reality some are unable to face is that certain people are immune to all kinds of constructive feedback and telling a shitter to git gud is the last resort. You can't teach someone how to bash their head against a wall more safely, you tell them to stop doing it because it's moronic. Asking for easy mode by such people is like asking for walls to be softer.

>>715949038
So you're okay with just reducing enemy health and making player attacks do more damage? All it would do is reduce the time it takes to beast a boss? It doesn't even have to affect the existing game, could be a separate mode. Separate difficulty mode maybe.

>>715945085 (OP)
>I want to feel special for beating the game on hard
Why is this wrong in any sense? Rational arguments only.

>fromsoft are told to make a dlc for elding
>only 40% of players have beaten mohg
>they lock the dlc behind him
never understood that decision besides being difficult for difficulty's sake

>>715949494
>comparing a videogame, a piece of entertainment designed to be beaten by an average retard to peak athletic form and ability
maybe videogames do rot your brain

>>715949565
>why did they lock the endgame dlc behind an endgame boss
a mystery, really. every dlc boss is harder than mohg anyway so what are you going to do in it if you're too retarded to beat him?

>>715949329
Wait so all the crying about the easy mode is just """hardcode""" players admitting the couldn't resist "not gimping" themselves if it did and would therefore all be playing the easy mode if it was available?
Excepts that the easy mode already exists and it's just not labeled as such.

every time a new book is published, the author should be required to also include an entire second copy of the book that's written in simple english using only short words. There's no reason to exclude people with low reading levels from reading books

>>715949635
I mean, they did kind of market the game at the time as being doable from lower-end levels, rather than endgame. I don't know why the fuck they did that, but they definitely did. I'd consider it endgame aswell.

>>715949687
>imagines an argument in his head
>immediately disproves said argument
what's the point of this post

>>715949748
>they did kind of market the game at the time as being doable from lower-end levels
?????
no?

>>715949374
If I remember right lamps in souls games have a small but noticeable stamina debuff, you can raise it up and down instead of being static, and finally lamps produce less light.

>>715949565
He probably meant casual competition, not the literal Olympics. Video games truly do rot (You)r brain if you can't see the abstract metaphor for what it is and instead focus on the particular example.

>>715949583
Perhaps physical capabilities are not as big of a factor for the concept overcoming challenges as you thought.
I ask again, why is the wish to feel special wrong? Please answer the question instead of trying to move the goalpost towards necessities for what constitutes as a challenge.

>>715949289
smart and clever boys can beat games without easy mode
stupid ugly boys can use cheat engine

>>715949834
No it's just an item you activate and you get an aura of light

>>715945085 (OP)
>i want an easy mode because if i bought a game i want to be able to experience all the content, not being locked out due to bullshit
Just get good you faggot.

>>715949865
because wanting to feel special for completing something that was literally made for you to complete is retarded. To compare it to any actual competitive activity is braindead, just as a coloring book isn't the same as creating a painting

>>715949987
*heavy's voice* NO

>>715945085 (OP)
>locked out due to bullshit
the bullshit in question being having to spend an extra 30 minutes to beat whatever challenge the game put in front of you?

make difficult game
>less people will buy and play it
>less sales, elite status for those who beat it

make game with different difficulties
>a lot of people will buy and play it
>more sales, less of an elite status for hardcore players

i only see one crowd that suffers from an easy mode

>>715948936
If you have disabilities, I'm sorry but you can't subjugate majority to your level just because you are disabled

>>715949739
They should also make you pass a quiz at the end of every chapter, or else you can't go to the next one. This will make the people who managed to get to the end of the book feel a sense of pride and accomplishment for the feat.

>>715950052
>sales are directly tied to a game's difficulty

>>715945085 (OP)
Don't care that much. It'd be trivial for them to apply scaling damage multipliers and wouldn't take development time out of the core experience. Yeah, the people that play on easy mode will think they have an opinion that matters, but the games essentially already have these easy mode players by using strong gear and summons, so the point of common discussion is already quite different. If you go back to some Dark Souls 1 interviews, that point of common discussion is Miyazaki's most commonly cited reason for the difficulty being presented as is. I think it was more important then, in that era, but now I don't think it's relevant.

>>715945085 (OP)
>are you for or against an easy mode in souls-like and other difficult type games?
Depends on the product. Some games target different audiences and are more niche because they offer a different experience. For example i've never played a souls game and never will, because i have limited patience for that type of gameplay and setting/genre. What you will never find me doing is bitch about that genre being difficult, i simply don't buy them and go look for games which cater to my specific interests.

There's this idiotic entitlement going around which states that everything has to be for everybody or it's bad. On the one hand, the publishers want to make more money, and that's understandable, so they rationalize their greed with inclusivity memes such as the one in the OP, which mock typically male hierarchical reasoning that focuses on skill and personal accomplishments based on improving yourself. That goes out the window when all games have multiple difficulty options, because beating the game means nothing anymore.

The reward for winning which is the continuous progression though the story or levels is available to players who have bypassed the difficulty of the game before they even started playing, which means the essential part of the genre, the failure status, is greatly diminished, alongside any feelgood sentiment you would have after beating it. In that respect, it's more like an interactive movie than a video game. The question in the OP should instead be
>are you for or against a movie mode or autoplay in games with high difficulty spikes?
because then the question would be more sincere in its premise. But then yet another question arises, why aren't you watching an expert playthrough on youtube while holding your controller and randomly pressing buttons? It would be a much better experience and save you the money as well, think about it. You'd feel good about yourself with even less effort and time invested, which arguably was the point.

the ass creed rpg games were weird about their difficulty
it was just damage sponge enemies, playing on anything but easy was a waste of time

>>715950052
elden ring sold over 30 million copies
your gay nigger game with easy mode sold 30 copies

>>715946809
>l. I don't care if a guy goes into DMC5 and plays it on Easy to blow off steam after work,
wait till he goes to social media and complains that the game is meh and combat sucks

>>715950240
They tried to add gameplay to spectacle. It'll appeal to some people but the fun part of Assassin's Creed combat has never been a display of skill, it's always been the animations.

>>715948783
hahahahaha I forgot about this

just buy the easy games if difficulty chaps your ass so much. you don't see us whining about animal crossing not being hardcore

>>715950017
That's nonsensical, your example included.
A chess puzzle can be extremely difficult and be designed to be completable.
"Challenge" is not necessarily bound by the perception of whether you can complete it at all or not.

Hunting new elements is extremely challenging and it's questionable whether there are any new elements at all or not. We don't know if it can be done or not, yet people will continue and if they find a new one, they will feel special for overcoming something that not many was able to do so.

>>715949981
That's cool but torch is more light.

>>715945085 (OP)
>if i bought a game i want to be able to experience all the content
The challenge IS the content. If you skip it with easy mode you're being locked out due to bullshit (of your own making).

>>715947547
>there are ways to actually deal with the game's challenges.
lol the entire game can be broken by putting everything in STR and VIT. JUMP R2, bruteforce everyone. Win. It's only hard if you actually wanna roleplay because you think it's an RPG for some reason

>>715950397
Torch is slightly more light in a smaller area and it also blinds you to everything outside that area

>>715948032
>sekiro is a beautiful game i never would have seen in its entirety had i not used cheats
but you did not experienced it lol. It's said that you don't understand this. It sounds like you are baiting.

>>715950594
I experienced it exactly as much as you did

>>715950508
ok

Miyazaki Darksoulsman put it best. It doesn't really matter if a game is easy or hard, but it should provide a unified experience for all players. Everyone's playing the same game, and the experience should be tailored specifically without wasting dev resources on other modes.

>>715950612
Not really no. Thats like saying that you experienced being a guitar player by playing on a plastic guitar made for toddlers. You are deluding yourself. Your experience is akin to watching the game on youtube. You didn't "experience" it. You just saw what happens

EXTRA MILD FOR NORMALFAGS

>>715950612
You objectively didn't because I put like 300 hours into that game, 100 of it being spent on a no charm/Bell Demon playthrough. I saw a lot of things you didn't as a result and obviously I played the game for around 250 more hours than you.

>>715946191
It depends on the game where I think easy modes can be a detriment.
Take the poster boy, Souls. They want you to bitch online about how annoying and hard a boss is. They want you to summon, look for weapons, learn magic, look up shit to take the boss down.
With an easy mode, why bother? Why look for anything since everything works? No need to ask anything of anyone. No need to post online. No need to change your build.
People can be their worst enemy in their enjoyment and if someone is not enjoying a game (especially since a lot of games are a huge time commitment they will likely never play it again if they don't find the experience compelling the first time.)

>>715945085 (OP)
I want difficulty modes cause one default mode is too easy once you learn the game
and summons make it baby-easy

>>715950334
That something most people don't really consider.
A game that tries to appeal to everyone is going to be no one's favorite game.

>>715945085 (OP)
wrong
>>715945570
wrong
>>715946809
wrong

>>715949493
>So you're okay with just reducing enemy health and making player attacks do more damage?
For all intents and purposes that's the same thing and it's already an intended part of any RPG. Just level up your character if you want to have an easier time, I don't care.

>>715950334
NTA but it reminds me of the PC gamer review of DMC5 where they complained that the music is too quiet and then people pointed out that the volume of the combat music is tied to how well you perform in the game lmao.

>>715946937
>do you really believe that there are people out there who revel in their ability to play a game on the hardest difficulty, not because they're good at it and receive an intrinsic satisfaction, but because they know that someone else is unable to do so and thus it makes them feel special?
Isn't that how difficulty is judged in general?
If you ask 100 people to do a task and 90 people can't do it, it's difficult. So is a task when 50 people can't do it. By what other metric would you or could you judge a task and its difficulty if not by ability of an average participant?

>>715949013
Extremely good post that highlights what the whole easy mode discussion is actually about: normie "game journalists" and "content creators" whose job it is to crank out content about the current thing. The more time they have to spend on games the worse it is for them.

>>715945823
>people need to git gud
meanwhille those "gud" players spend 20 1 hour dying to a boss over and over until it lets them win by not doing shit one run

>>715948785
>I don't have time to waste on this media you poured months/years of your life into, I've got shit to do like scroll tik tok.
It's your prerogative but why would you expect anyone to respect it when you don't respect theirs.

>>715951434
>I wasted my life so you should too
crab in a bucket mentality while also assuming the only alternatives are equally brain-rotting activities, you need to get your shit together asap man

>>715950752
but the game has the covenant of champions, a bunch of players did their 1st playthroughs on hard mode because they didn't explicitly know about it

>>715945134
Then hard difficulty shouldn't exist neither, nor ironman, nor kaizo. Every game is "normal" and it's up to the developer if that is equivalent to current easy, current hard or whatever. More customization to the player is better so you can enjoy it to the fullest according to your taste.
"But le journalist played on story mode it's not le same :( "

>>715951434
This manga was decent, but not the kind of story I'd ever want to revisit. Junk food. I would say I can't believe they decided to make a sequel for it but it did well so that's a typical move really.

>>715951840
>the only alternatives are equally brain-rotting activities
NTA
This, you see people read fucking books during expensive holidays whilst lying on a lounger at the beach.
Like retard, I could do that shit at home for $0!
And don't get me started on the globohomo shit that modern TV is.
Yeah I'd rather play vidya, good vidya, old vidya.

I am against difficulty selection options in general.
A game should have ONE intended way to experience it. If you give the player the option to change it, it shows you have no clear vision for what you want your game to be.

>>715945085 (OP)
If it only has one mode, isn't that the easy mode?

>>715948785
most people I know are full as fuck and watch a spectator sport game they will forget about in a week
and then there is socializing as alibi for what is just bar alcoholism
>i am not drinking alone
>this is sane

delulu, but the video game is somehow "bad"
*sips clean healthy water, and does sports alone*
I'm so stable after quitting alcohol for 3 years and avoiding false friends. Games are fun again. Maybe it were other people keeping me down with their trauma dumps. Especially married dads with kids are downers and buzzkills. I think they are jealous some of us are free forever bachelors.
>v-virgin
>incel
Came the echoes of a depressed father in a failed marriage.

>>715952342
NTA
but retards do the book thing because they want to pose for a photo, they usually don't even read the book.
I read books at home, I read all the time, its what I spend most of my time doing, but there is a weird cultish feeling reverence people have books that is very strange to me, like everyone sees them as some amazing thing.

It's all a waste of time, do w/e the fuck you enjoy, if you really wanted to do it, you would make time for it, you would make it happen.

>>715952651
You mean they take a photo whilst I peep at their tits and asses on the beach for over an hour and stoke myself?

>>715948785
Give me an objective mathematical formula for the value of life. Disregard any shred of subjective portion in your evidence. Give me undisputable proof that learning an instrument is -without a shadow of doubr- better in any and every way than learning a video game.
Until you can, fuck off.

>>715951383
So true! :O

>>715951112
Or the "journalist" that said [indie game] was too easy and had a lackluster ending, only to get called out on the dev for beating it on easy. When he denied the call out, the dev pointed out you get the real ending for beating it on hard, instead of the lackluster.

>>715945085 (OP)
How can you beat the game on hard, if hard and easy mode don’t exist? Wouldn’t you want easy mode to exist so that there is a comparative hard mode for you to beat the game on to feel special? This meme makes no sense

>>715952494
yes there should be a hard mode:
> You start and only get your starting class, you can't upgrade equipment, you can only level up your character.
> You can use consumables however, just no new equips.
> You die you have to respawn from the beginning.
That's the Hardmode.

>>715952770
>Give me an objective mathematical formula for the value of life.
objective:
value = experiments run on subject * time alive
subjective
value = total fun had / time alive

Now get back in the prison's science lab, I want to know how much radioactive oat meal a convict can ingest.

99.9% of all video games are easy mode by default. How entitled do you have to be to demand that the remaining 0.1% of games which exist for a niche market of players who enjoy a challenge must also cater to you?

>>715952770
Have you ever tried learning an instrument? Getting better at it and the feeling you get from that is just like the feeling you get from playing and improving at video games. That's all the evidence you need.

>>715952748
oh you mean reading while she sunbathes, yeah that's a little different.
so many of them r just listening to music and barely get through the book, but they usually do actually read it, at least a little

bitches do crazy shit and the books they read and treat like high art is crazy when its pure slop

>>715947727
Godhand, even the first tutorial enemy will wipe floor with you if you don't know how the game works yet.

>>715945085 (OP)
Not reading the thread, but I assume someone already said it.
Souls games have easy mode, it's called leveling up and using the right weapons and equipment.

>>715952979
Anon you are so real for that post, yes they will absolutely trash you if you hate their booktok recommendation and call it a dime novel

>>715952872
kek, I smiled at the last sentence, good one

>>715952971
I did, I learned acoustic.
The "getting better at it" part is great but it didn't feel more significant than getting better at any other thing. Like learning a language or beating a difficult boss through learning patterns.
>That's all the evidence you need.
That's your subjective, possibly biased opinion towards physical being better than digital.

>>715953165
I didn't say it was better. I just said that improving your skills with an instrument is as valuable as improving other skills.

>>715945085 (OP)
This image works the other way.
>I want to feel special for being able to say I beat the game without putting in any effort
You know this is true because these people get real mad when you tell them to simply watch a playthrough on YouTube if all they want is to "experience" the game without actually playing it. What they really want is whatever prestige they imagine comes with being able to beat a supposedly hard game. If Dark Souls did have an easy mode, they would never, ever say "I beat Dark Souls on easy mode;" it would be: "I beat Dark Souls," because they want you to think they are actually skilled at games without having to put in any effort to earn that distinction.

Simply put, these self-entitled narcissists can't stand the idea of not belonging to a club, completely missing the point that being good at hard games is about the satisfaction which comes with overcoming a challenge, not the bragging rights.

>>715953230
Oh fuck, I'm retarded. I completely missed the point of your previous post.
>is just like the feeling you get
My bad and I agree.
Althought I'm still unsure whether it's evidence but I'm not sure we could even make an objective proof of that.

There already is an easy mode. It's called levelling up. Pick your level cap, grind to a level you like and play the fucking game.

>>715953567
Not dismissing your point but I don't play souls and to me it feels that bullet sponges are just boring. After how money headshots to kill someone in a shooter do you yell "this is all bullshit!" and realize that fake-hard is just in reality a time wasted setting.

What is good hardness? Certainly it is not multiplying enemy hit points by 1000. The Last of Us is not my type of game either, but the AI would charge and flank you the exact moment you have to reload either secondary or primary, if not both. If you didn't change position by that time yourself, you are cooked. That's a better approach at hardness.

Also remember most hard enemies cheat. I.e. the enemy AI always knows your location. So what is good difficulty?

>>715953786
>the boss dies in 29 hits instead of 30 now, it's easy mode!

>>715953812
>bosses should die in 3 hits at most
Yep, it's a tendie

>>715945085 (OP)
>>715953567
this
>i want my peers to admire my skill of beating the same game as you but without having put in any effort
goes against fundamentals of games
beat the challenge in same conditions as everyone else, no special treatments

>>715945085 (OP)
>i want to be able to experience all the content
But you can't if you choose the easy difficulty. Its exactly the same as you putting a bag over your head when you go on a rollercoaster ride. You won't have the intended experience even when you're technically sitting on the ride.

>>715949565
Look at how many Dark Souls players haven't even lit a bonfire.

>>715953945
But putting a bag over your head would make the rollercoaster way more intense and exciting

>>715953812
I don't understand what you're talking about. Yes, quality of difficulty is important, and this is precisely why taking a fundamentally easy game and stapling on a "hard mode" where numbers just go up is a waste of time and energy. This is precisely why it is important for difficult games to be made with the challenge in mind from the get-go, and to not have that watered down by casuals who aren't tall enough to ride.

>>715953835
Git gud.

>>715953971
>72% in PTDE have lit a bonfire
>96.7% in the remaster have lit a bonfire
huh
Looks like people bought the original on a whim and never played it, whereas everybody actually played the remaster cause they want that status of having played Dank Souls

>>715953987
How? You just get yanked back and forth. You don't need a rollercoaster ride for that, you can just have your friends push you around for free.

>>715954070
>no idea when the drop is coming
>no idea for how long you will be falling

>>715953835
>>715953880
it's a
>I hallucinate straw-man arguments that I can easily tear down
schizo episode!

>>715945085 (OP)
>due to bullshit
You meaning being bad at the game. "Be honest."

The frog is already boiled, they don't need to add an easy mode anymore.

All the "choose your own difficulty" features have killed it. ER was piss, the number of fights you can just stunlock with ashes or other cheese.
If you "just don't use x,y,z" you basically have to play a retarded personal challenge mode, constantly trying to manufacture a fake challenge and still somehow feel accomplishment from that. All normies to death camps, it is the only fix now.

>>715954090
Again its just yanking you on a chair. You won't see how high up you really are so the effect of the drop gets severely diminished.

>>715954006
>I don't understand what you're talking about.
please reread my post and reply to me again if you were actually interested in a serious exchange of arguments
I usually stop reading when I notice the other party did not attempt to view things from a different perspective

>>715945085 (OP)
Why did you buy a game you can't play?

>>715954141
>ER is so easy after I looked up how to cheese it!
Shut the fuck up. The entirety of Dark Souls 1 is entirely shut down by you simply putting on armor

>>715954152
I read your post and replied to it asshole. Your entire post had nothing to do with anything I said and brought in an entirely different point which I agreed with anyway.

>>715945134
This, for example the game FEAR, I replayed it with cheats, unlimited ammo, all the weapons, is a lot of fun, but then you don't really get to see how the AI can react, the way they flank,retreat and take cover when under fire and call for backup.

>>715954265
sorry but I will immediately disengage if you think ad hominem makes me interested in continue talking to you
glad you could vent and feel good now

>>715954141
Souls games were never "hard" per se. They were sufficiently difficult that they forced you to pay attention to the screen and play carefully and 99% of the time simply being careful was enough. Souls games are dungeon crawlers for that reason. Preparation and vigilance gets rewarded in those games, both video games and tabletop rpgs where DM makes dungeons actually dangerous.

>>715954268
FEAR has the same AI as all other shooters of the time, they made you think it's amazing by simply having them call out what they're doing
It was a great trick that should be lauded, but people saying the AI itself was good are retarded

>>715954305
>interested in continue
Good morning saar
>runs away cause he has to go for his sixth daily shit

>>715954323
The AI had some scripted behaviour based on the situation. Example if you camp in one place too long and theres more than one enemy squad member, they will throw a grenade towards you. And when theres only one enemy left, that enemy will not pursue you and prefer to camp (sometimes stand around like an idiot) in place instead.

>>715954305

>>715954443
Yes, literally every single game has those kinds of behaviors

>>715945134
fpbp

>>715954472
Not really. Half-Life soldiers threw grenades at random intervals and last man standing didn't always just camp in place. In lot of Half-Life sequences you can lure the entire squad to their deaths in some corner.

>>715954456
>>715954363
it's amusing people on this site think I exist to validate them if they cannot follow a simple chain of logical arguments that exceeds their dopamine rotted brain's working memory

>>715954539
>gives me a (you)
Thanks for the validation :)

>>715945085 (OP)
this meme doesn't even make sense, if there's no easy mode then how is hard mode special??

>>715954472
You have to remember that fear came out in like 2005 or something, the enemy AI in fps games was not that great back then. You had stuff like UT2004 where the enemy would react really fast and aimbot you on harder difficulties but they would not react to stuff like flashlight and so on. Fear had a lot of scripted things for things like that. I mean the AI itself wasn't THAT advanced but it was way better than what was usually used in single player FPS games at the time.

>>715945085 (OP)
I don't want hard mode to exist either

>>715954564
the kind of validation like scolding an overexcited dog pissing itself
if a (You) calling you constantly retarded gives you a jolt
well maybe you just enjoy being useless. I see it in low income people all they time.
they love being the trash they are.

you might experience cognitive dissonance for a very brief moment and feel a bit upset, but that will pass.

>>715954764
>you le did a le hecking ad le hominem, I'm not gonna le argue with you
>continues arguing

>>715954323
AI is always cheating and pretending to not know where you are, it doesn't matter what is doing underneath, but what it looks and feels like, to me is like complaining that Gran Turismo is not simulating the physics of every single piston moving in the engine.
Far Cry 6 gives its enemies new types of behaviours but they are not implemented well.
They don't react properly to fire bullets by trying to get rid of the fire or dropping their weapon. Some of them can put down a shield but they don't do it adjacent to another defensive surface, near a wall or somewhere where they have a good range, nor its team mates react to the shield by using it as a defense, nor they help each other out when in danger by dragging them out and administering first aid, I don't remember if you can incapacitate them to the point they are still alive in FC6 like in the previous titles.
Payday 3 has only a handful of changes to its AI, they are more reactive to hostage situations by not dropping grenades there, but they can still shoot toward them if you are not perfectly aligned, sometimes the cops hide behind a shield but most of the
time they dont' go for flash and breach but just run straight toward you and barely react to their team mates being put down.

I could rant about another recent game Atomfall and its AI, but I have gone too far into the off topic.
FEAR came out 20 years ago, things shouldn't have not become worse.

>>715945085 (OP)
I watched one of those animu vtubers play Re4 remake with the easiest difficulty. In the village sequence all she did was stand around at the entrance and shoot all the villagers because the villagers were very slow and she had stupid amount of ammo. She never had to run around in the village being chased around by ganados like it was intended. She never had the chainsaw guy appear either.

So what ended happening was she completely missed out on one of the highlights of the entire game because the low difficulty encouraged lazy player behaviour.

>>715954845
>to me is like complaining that Gran Turismo is not simulating the physics of every single piston moving in the engine.
Wrong, the correct analogy would be if everyone constantly praised GT's racing physics because the tires make a squealing noise when you slide around a corner.

>>715945085 (OP)
>Easy mode would not ruin the game
>People don't need to git gud
>I want to feel special for beating a game that everyone calls hard

>>715945085 (OP)
everyone has played so many soulslikes now...
i'm just getting into lies of p and after fighting the first couple of bosses I went into settings to check whether i hadn't selected the easier difficulties by mistake
the formula is so played out literally no one cares anymore
>alright just memorize his moves and dodge/parry appropriately
...and that's the best case. worst case it's recycled moves you've already seen on some other boss in some other game and you already know what's coming

>>715945085 (OP)
I don't want soulslop to exist.

every soulsgame has a "OP in 15 minutes" guide. thats your difficulty right there.

>>715952872
Laws have already made such an assumption:
> Your effect on society as a whole.
> Your value you bring in through your line of work.
> The amount of money at your disposal.
> How much people would miss you if someone wronged you or killed you to a point of no return.
Thus your head already has a price tag on it and you don't know it yet and it ain't looking good faggot.

>>715945085 (OP)
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>>715955109
Tomonobu is the most based. I remember they made DMC3's easy mode if you died too much in Normal mode available, that being said only the first boss takes learning curve as a tutorial then its kind of a breeze afterwards once you spend some deaths learning the boss patterns and then you just roflstomp them after 2-5 tries each.

>>715945085 (OP)
>I wand to feel special for beating the game on hard
Even if that was the case what then
What's bad about that

>>715955324
Default Souls game is set on "Normal" and only requires you some basic pattern recognition skills and dodging right or back. Lol. EASY MOODO WHO PLAYS ON EASY MOODO!?? ARE YOU A CHILD!?!? ONLY KIDS PLAY ON EASY MOODO!

I never saw souls games as particularly difficult except maybe as a young teen with Dark Souls 1 and 2. Ninja Gaiden and Touhou games are a lot harder in comparison.

>>715955837
Dark Souls 1 is "hard" in that you can't just rush in and press the XXX and the YYY, and the enemies seem pretty scary to approach. But yeah it's not a game with a high skill floor or anything

I've been playing Intravenous 2, I started on the hardest difficulty which described itself as the intended difficulty and I really appreciate how the developer designed this. It does feel like the intended difficulty, but I can see why the developer added lesser difficulties that strip out a few of the more punishing mechanics and give you more save slots per mission.

>>715945085 (OP)
souls fans will frivolously argue about "how the game is meant to be played" until the cows come home while halo chads are in unanimous agreement that you should use the noob combo in halo 2 while playing on legendary

>>715956105
Haven't played IV1 yet, isn't it just a stealth game? i.e. you wait in a corner, backstab a guard, hide his body, repeat 30 times to win the level?
What are the punishing mechanics?

>>715945085 (OP)
Easy mode is watching a let’s play. If they need an older sibling to do it for them.

>>715945085 (OP)
Why would I feel any less proud of beating hard mode if there were an easy mode for children and the infirm?

>>715945085 (OP)
Anything beyond normal mode is no different from a fanmade mod, simply changing stat numbers is against the original game's design philosophy, and easy mode takes away satisfaction while hard mode frustrates you to the point where success gives you forced dopamine hits making it no different from porn addiction

>>715945085 (OP)
I don't like the idea that a game developer should feel required to include extra difficulty modes. If they want to have easy normal hard and such that's fine but if a developer says that they created the game with an intended experience and don't want to include additional difficulty options they shouldn't be demanded to. You don't NEED to beat a game nor do you need to play it in the first place so if the game seems to be hard you make a judgement call on whether you will yourself to complete it or give up and play something else.

>>715945085 (OP)
You want an easy mode to make life easier for yourself, I want an easy mode just to piss off all the autistic streamer watching zoomers who jerk off about muh gaem being hard and will accept any shit like consort being poured down their throat and pretend to like it. Those morons are ruining the genre more than any journalist-mode playing normalfag.

>>715956187
Noticing patrols going missing is the main one. If you kill dudes and drag away their bodies the other goons will notice the blood stains and go mental, so if you choke them out you can avoid that. But on the true difficulty eventually the goons will notice the missing patrols and go mental anyway. Its a cool and intuitive mechanic but it does mean you can set yourself up in a really bad situation and not realize until a while later.

>>715956916
*waits until they exit their alert state*
nuthin personnell

>>715956916
> If you choke them out.
Then there should be a violent struggle that leaves marks on the ground lol.

>>715945085 (OP)

>>715957023
It probably should be a bit less easy to chuck out a guy's friend right behind him.
You have the option of snapping their neck when you choke them out. It'd be cool if strangling them took a bit of time and made noise but you could just snap their neck to stop that.
When you knock them out they can be woken up by their buddies if they're found, but I never bother snapping their necks, so that'd be a cool way to differentiate choking out vs neck snapping.

>>715945085 (OP)
People like you used to use cheat codes or software, now they're too stupid for that so they whine about difficulty like little babies.

You don't have the right to dictate to a creative how accessible their work should be.

>>715957618
Yeah we don't but we can look down upon Easy Mode players as retarded man-children they are.

>>715945085 (OP)
Stop buying games that aren't made for you.

>>715945085 (OP)
>Make an easy mode for retards to experience the "content"
>The game isn't fun because is wasn't supposed to be played that way
>Retards who use easy mode think they are now an authority on the game and shit all over it for being boring because they played it using the boring retard mode

Man, I wonder why they don't include lazy easy modes that run counter to the direction for the game

the difficulty is part of the content you absolute moron if you are so afraid of being challenged than use a trainer

>>715945085 (OP)
the world being full of overwhelmingly powerful enemies is a large component of the atmosphere/vibe of dark souls. if all the enemies were trivial the mood of the game would be radically different and you could not get the same satisfaction from beating it

>>715945085 (OP)
I play to have fun if the game is stupidly easy it better has a narrative and story on pair with fucking Planescape Torment, guess how many games can fill this requisite?

>>715945085 (OP)
I really hate how blatantly disingenuous posts like this get hundreds of replies.

Not wanting an easy mode is entirely incongruent with wanting to feel special for beating it on hard. If you wanted that, you'd WANT there to be an easy mode, a bitch's path that you did not walk.
Easimodo fags are once again proving themselves to be the most braindead of the lot.

>american discussion

>>715945085 (OP)
>game gates off unique bosses and areas and lore if you don't play the hardest difficulty
>also says that normal difficulty is how the game is meant to be played

>>715945085 (OP)
>everything must cater to me
Nah.

Just stop playing games that arent easy, thats it, its not for you, why would you demand games your not the audience for serve your interest?

>>715945085 (OP)
You're not experiencing all the content when the combat has no threat and you're strolling through the game like it's a walk through a park. If you want to play a walking simulator, stick to playing walking simulators.

>>715960449
>hardest difficulty is also unavailable during the first playthrough

I just want fast replay.
>dies in a boss or in a certain part of a stage
>press continue
>5 seconds later is already playing that part of boss/stage again
Having to return to the menu, load your save, walk 5 minutes to reach the same boss room, it is all just so unecessary. No one has this much free time anymore. Just let me try the boss 20 times if necessary, but without this huge unecessary time sink.
Every game needs save states.

>>715962057
>Crystal should be proud to have a hot, sey 11 year old daughter

Some games are genuinely better on harder difficulties. Ghost of Tsushima is a good example of this. The Lethal difficulty truly makes the game exceptional.

>>715962547
How so? Isn't it still repetitive Ubislop? I don't see how dying in one hit makes that better

>>715962629
Everyone dies in one hit. It makes you a glass cannon but also everyone else too. Most games just make increased difficulty a case of
>you die quicker and they take longer to die
That is shit. It's also not Ubislop and you should give it a go. Ubisoft has literally never made anything like GoT and is simply incapable of doing so.

>>715962863
>Everyone dies in one hit
Doesn't that make the whole progression system pointless?

>>715962936
No. Different armours give you different abilities and you also learn various new skills and abilities, particularly those related to stealth.

>>715945085 (OP)
Nigger kike (Asian absence of soul) isn't original.

Don't spam.
Don't make threads you useless fucking cunt.

Difficulty is best impossible maybe. Try, and try again. A little better every time.

But not stupid. Not repetitious. Encountering different, being different. Moment to moment. Gook shit is failed by conforming to. Don't play that rapist born pedophilia.

I'm keen on ease. Get people enjoying doing things. Eased into difficulty. Never so much they stop because of it. More like they win and are satisfied.

Last game played was Modern Warfare. Played realistic on a dark screen. Died repeatedly but got to some anti arab mission in their cunt culture sand shithole. Stopped playing in the start of the tunnel. Not interested. Propaganda too probably. But good enough until then.
Was logical. I acted careful. I like that. It was rewarded. It is what worked. Aim didn't require precision, good, because controllers can't provide it.

First few levels or hour should be assured easy. Not turn away anyone. So as what works and don't be punished for it.

Games should be for kids, girls. Play and have fun. Not encouraged to give up or give in, not machined into an asian. A way to play hardcore, and a way to sightsee and be provided for. Take charge at your whim. Use your team mates. Stay alive and do what you are good at. Maybe choose, obvious some way is hard. Some of us find that more appealing, recognising better is for others, hard for us, care for what's rescued and utterly hate niggers, shrinks etc enemy. Kill kill kill without any consideration as alike what's to protect. Or go in not scared. Look after something that may seem "evil" to others. Just venreble, not connected to corruption, or gone through a lot. See the good. Go into a hell to get the tortured something nice. Stay used to better, withstand through that, don't give up hope and join the enemy. Or find some similarity, some shared soul, bond in something the rest want dead and are too faggot

OP is posting a brownie meme, by the way. They post that format all the time, and it's absolutely fucking cringe

>>715945085 (OP)
Being hard and having to die again and again works to build the kind of atmosphere that the soulslike are going for, it's actually important for the narrative.
If the game was instead a powerfantasy of some kind or the narrative was entirely divorced from tge gameplay then there would be no issue with it having an easy mode.

>>715951383
So surely you can do the same?

>>715964030
yup I can very easily do it
I just have better things to do

>>715945085 (OP)
I tend to lose my cool with those fucking games and exploit something to beat the last two or three bosses. The gameplay is always ass.

>>715945085 (OP)
The games already have a shitton of in-game ways to make it easier for the player if he wishes to do so, not my problem retards can't into experimentation.

>>715945085 (OP)
To this day, I don't think anyone actually believes this and it was all just a clickbait psyop to make the morality police take up easy mode as disability arguments

I think it's worse for the souls series the more overt and traditional the difficulty options are.

The games have always had diagetic difficulty selection. Your build, your level, whether or not you use summons and IMO it works very well. I have always enjoyed that with souls games there is "one game," and your choices as a player within the game dictate how you experienced it differently. It makes discussion more fun, prevents people from feeling like they're "cheating" when they make it easier for themselves, etc.
I also take firm issue with the idea that you're being "blocked out of the content if you can't finish the game." The gameplay is part of the work. It's not a playable movie. I don't have an inherent issue with assist options, I just want there to be as little temptation to use them as physically possible.

Easy mode should be the only mode.

>>715964712
Of course no one believes this. We don't want easy mode because we think it's gonna compromise the vision the designers have for the game, even in normal mode

>>715964085
Good, then don't do it, everyone happy.

>>715945570
>I want to fee special for beating the game on hard
It's funny how you have no counterargument to this. You just try to dress up "yes"
Get a life, bitch. People should play games on hard but not for the pathetic reasons you do.

>>715945085 (OP)
We both know theres a reason not even trannies like you want to play games which are actually easy and made for your tastes

>>715964524
The problem, as is VERY apparent in more recent games, is subhuman retards screeching that those tools exist at all. There’s a reason everything good in PvE gets nerfed to the ground over time, they want to exploit and squeeze every iota of power the face can possibly give you but still maintain the full challenge which is unworkable.
Like, mimic tear should be able to solo every single boss even up to NG+7 DLC. You don’t have to use it, and it’ll negatively affect your experience, but that’s YOUR PROBLEM not anyone else’s. These are static single player games and people act like they’re the most hyper competitive game 7 ever.

>>715965654
"balance" in singleplayer games is stupid, yeah. Especially if you already took care of the MP side by simply not allowing that tool (can't use ashes in invasions)

>>715945085 (OP)
assuming this thread is bait but to address this sentiment since some people genuinely hold it
>i want an easy mode because if i bought a game i want to be able to experience all the content
it sounds like interactive media isn't for you. the entire purpose of this stuff is a demand for player agency and the satisfaction of a challenge met, without that youre better off just watching shows or reading books, which give you the guaranteed progress youre looking for

>>715945085 (OP)
I'm in.
Options are good and I dont care if you play hard, easy or whatever, its a you thing.
However, I'm not a retarded tryhard so I guess soulsfags will disagree.

>>715965953
I have definitely stopped playing some games close to the end because they were tedious, not hard, and just watched the ending on youtube

>>715965218
>heh, you want to have MORE fun playing the game?
>fucking loser, get a life!
you are a dumb nigger lmao

>>715954592
>You have to remember that fear came out in like 2005 or something, the enemy AI in fps games was not that great back then.
If you're implying that AI nowadays got any better you have actual brain damage.

>>715947309
>Literally 90% of video game discussion right now is completely pointless because you cant really complain or criticize anything regarding difficulty or wonky combat mechanics anymore because because showed how fucking retarded they are with Soulslikes after going through QTE movieslop hell, and Zoomers only give a fuck about Minecraft

>>715966817
>you want to have MORE fun playing the game
No, you don't. That's the problem.

>>715948456
Then they shouldn't have an issue with the game being "too hard to beat".

>>715967137
>how DARE you want to have more fun in a game
guys I think this idiot might be serious

>>715948785
>Nta but nigger it's video game
Yeah, that's our point. You're like a 30yo guy that spends hundreds-thousands of dollars on board games, make it part of your identity, yet anything harder than Candy Land is too hard to wrap your head around and act like everyone else shouldn't be laughing at how braindead you are.

>>715967137
we get it, you are offended that people had fun in a way you couldn't.
go be a sad envious nigger somewhere else then.

>>715967405
>you want to have more fun in a game
You should want to have more fun in a game by playing it on hard, but that's not what you're wanting. That's the issue.
This was already said and now you're just running in circles. GPT Post? Take your bot elsewhere.

>>715945085 (OP)
I want a game to have one set experience that everyone goes through.
The game should be teaching the player incrementally so that it's both accessible and not hand holdy.
So that everyone going through that would be taught the same on the mechanics and what to expect continuing on.

That way you don't need to gimp your game to meet the "needs" of people who quite frankly aren't willing to put any effort forward.

Because that is all it is; "I have a life, I don't have much time, I just want to relax bro" is just excuses that they don't want to bother putting forth any effort to get better and improve at something
They convince themselves that "getting better" means sweating away for hours and hours, pouring over the wiki and learning meta builds and strats.
It isn't.
Getting better literally means observing an enemies attacks and learning that when it lifts its sword up that means an attack is coming so you know what to do.
Learning to spot and attack is not "sweaty meta homework" it is you as a person becoming accustom to how an enemy works and reacting to it when you see it.

Something so basic that people are making excuses that they don't want to do it.

reminder that these are the kind of people saying "all games need an easy mode"
the kind of mouth breathing retard with a lower IQ than a fucking bird

>>715945085 (OP)
Easy mode is there if you look for it. Elden Ring is frustrating if you play it like DS1 but it's bearable by anyone if you use all the game mechanics available to you.

>>715950612
>I experienced it exactly as much as you did
uhhhhhh no
>get to lady b as my first boss thinking it was the only way through
>get so humbled I step away for a week before coming back and beating her
>start getting better
whereas yours would be
>lose to lady b
>cry
>bitch
>piss
>moan
>download cheat mod
>act like we had the same experience
played yourself instead of the game lmao

>>715960392
this entire thread occured during the dead of night in america, this is a eurofag discussion you obsessed retard

>>715968168
>he had issues with Lady Butterfly
Sorry, I don't listen to the opinions of people who are dogshit at the game

>>715967709
>"waaahhhhhhh stop having fun I can't have, only bots do this!"
crybaby faggot lol

another reminder about the kind of person who wants/demands easy mode in video games. the kind of person who can't be bothered to beat a game on normal mode, even if they're fucking paid to do so

>>715945085 (OP)
I’m not against it because I’m an adult and I don’t have the time to invest in a game’s mechanics and practice enough to overcome any difficulty. Also I don’t have autism.

>>715968228
>lil cheating pissbaby thinks hes even got an opinion of game he didnt play
lol go watch a movie next time, bitch

>>715947437
You're right they're all different experiences.
That's why if you buy the "trekking pole experience" and then whine that it's too hard you're a dumbass for not buying the helicopter instead

>>715949565
The DLC is literally harder than the boss that gatekeeps the players. If you can Mohg, you have showb competency enough to try the DLC. Issue is, most people looked up the cheeses way to beat Mohg, and got a culture shock when the DLC proved the intended gatekeeping correct.

>>715968208
>seething ameritard

>I want to feel special for beating the game on hard *using guided and Youtube videos*
FTFY

>>715970453
>on hard *using guided
Good morning saar

I want fomo retards out of the hobby. If you can't be bothered to properly engage with a game you should just fuck off

>>715945245
>speaking a language is difficult
found the retard.

>>715953567
The funny part is that Demon's Souls and it's ilk aren't really hard so much as they don't conform to the same control schemes or game designs other games do, and forces people to rewire their brains in a way they find uncomfortable (because doing something new is scary and too much of a mental load for them even in something as inane as playing a fucking video game). They want the BamHam combat that essentially plays itself, because that's all the type of shit they've been exposed to and we're told we're "peak experiences," when those sorts of games have been braindead monkey mashing games that barely require an once of attention to beat.