How did Square-Enix fail in appealing to younger audiences this bad?

https://archive.is/CVgzQ

https://xtrend.nikkei.com/atcl/contents/18/01178/00010/

>>715945469 (OP)
Every #'d final fantasy is bad and they're the only ones people talk about. Zoomers go and play these supposedly good games and discover the truth about them.

>>715945469 (OP)
It's not really suprising because all the final fantasy games that were supposed to make up their childhood like it had for the older generation, have been shit.

There has only been one good FF since X released 20 years ago. Kids have not grown up and experienced good, NEW FF titles.
11 is an archaic MMO.
12 is bad.
13 is bad.
14 is a LGBT MMO.
15 is the one good title.
16 is bad.

>>715945469 (OP)
They don't look like Fantasy at all. No whimsy, no magic, no coolness, just weird japanese fashion and odd aesthetic that repels kids and teens.
Look at the FFs that did well, and look at this. The difference is obvious.

>>715945826
12 is good but yeah they haven't been creating new ff fans really. 4-10 era they were unstoppable

FF is a really weird franchise where it has so many games and 7 is the only one that got popular.

>>715945826
This but 15 is bad too

>>715945885
The funniest thing is that the out of touch boomers running Square-Enix really seem to believe they are always appealing to whatever things are hip among the 15-25 year old Americans.

>>715945885
this. 15 and 16 just look too serious and unappealing to kids

It only took 4 posts and 8 minutes for barry to start sperging out in the thread.

>>715945978
FFX was massive. 7 just has gotten the most spin-off milking.

>>715945469 (OP)
the same is true for most games
kids only play fortnite and roblox

>>715945885
>No whimsy, no magic, no coolness, just weird japanese fashion and odd aesthetic
That would apply to FFX albeit, all the characters were pretty normal in a weird world

>>715945469 (OP)
Haven't really cared about Final Fantasy since FF8.
Played 9, 12, 13, a bit but they were trash
10 was extremely boring, 10-2 childish japan autism really peaked in that one, never finished it

>>715945826
>15 is the one good title.

Square couldn't adapt to AAA model, and couldn't cut corners sicne the scope of their games were HUGe so the time between games kept getting bigger and bigger.

Notice how other games like Fromsoft titles fucking cheat with "whoops Apocalypse. That's why there's so few NPCs and settlements"?

Final Fantasy games are supposed to be globe hopping affairs with hundreds of NPCs and quest lines and locations to visit. You could easily spend a billion dollars developing such a game, and take a decade to make it. Obviously it's not possible.

Square just doesn't know what to do.

On top of that they had engine issues, which caused more problems, so they've moved to Unreal slop engine

>>715945826
People also forget FF used to be a damn near a yearly thing.
FF4 was 1991
FF5 was 1992
FF6 was 1994
FF7 was 1997
FF8 was 1999
FF9 was 2000
FF10 was 2001
Now we're lucky to get a new game every decade.

>>715946161
>Square couldn't adapt to AAA model,
Nigger they basically invented AAA with FF7

Yeah no shit, it's been 25 years since the last good game in the series.

So why do they keep making flashy button masher ADD sloppa?

>>715945978
FFX was really popular worldwide and Japan has a million MADs for it. Also in Japan, FFIV was really popular, which is why it got a DS Remake and a Sequel Game.

>>715946206
>Nigger they basically invented AAA with FF7

In the SD PS1 era. READ NIGGER

Scale that up to PS2, then PS3, then PS4, then PS5. You're talking a game of the scope and size of FF8 costing 1 billion with a decade of development time.

The AAA model is collapsing, and Square doesn't know what to do since they only make these giant fucking games, but it's very hard in the HD+ era.

Capcom and others struggled in the PS3 era too, but they bounced back.

>>715946161
>>715946206
It is the full-HD era that they stumbled. Most of Japanese industry had pains during the transition, but Square-Enix in particular had to be dragged there kicking and screaming. Their executives still kept publicly talking about how much it sucks to make full-HD assets and how much they really don't want to do it up until 2006 or so.

>>715945469 (OP)
how is this surprising at all?

Even more reason to return to turn-based combat instead of action slop, you'd think?

>>715945627
>It's not really suprising because all the final fantasy games that were supposed to make up their childhood like it had for the older generation, have been shit.

FFXVI also M-rated so it's like Square are actively trying to prevent younger players from getting interested in FF.

>>715945469 (OP)
>>715945469 (OP)
Will old zoomers even care about persona 6 by then? They are too sensitive about age

>>715946378
its only m rated for the demo part of the game and when the 2 gays kiss. the rest of the game should be T for Tweens i dont even get why the bothered including the beheading or crushing scenes when the rest of the game had no grit

Final Fantasy has no unifying thing that makes it a franchise. There are franchises within Final Fantasy. VII. X. XIII. Tactics. etc. With characters, and themes, and gameplay elements. But what unifies Final Fantasy? They're... RPGs?

>>715946342
Yeah, Square had a a second renaissance on handheld consoles (gba, nds, 3DS), but now you can't do that.

I feel for them, since the scale of their games was so damn big, which was the appeal. So what gives? Scale back?

I think English only games would make sense since that cuts your VA budget by half. Try to make excuses for smaller scale games with less NPCs as well.

>in the cursed Jagd, no one can hear you scream. One man is sentenced to this desert hell hole for a crime he didn't commit. He breaks out, explores ruins, fucks shit up, and tries to clear his name, while meeting a cast of renegades and rejects who all want to get out yadda yadda yadda

Did I just write a fromsoft RPG? Maybe. That's kinda the premise for the desert prison section in FF7.

>>715945984
FF 15 was the only "good" final Fantasy in the last 15years and even that was mid.

>>715946438
>They're... RPGs?
they used to be. theyre not even that anymore

>>715945929
It really isn't. Play the original.

>>715946438
Originally: it was Square trying to adapt D&D while one-upping Wizardry and Dragon Quest in terms of graphics and presentation.

Then it became heavily story driven audio-visual story spectacles in the 16 and 32 bit era. 32 bit era moved away from fantasy to sci-fi.

PS2 era was their last high point. After that, the time-lag for releases grew too much and there's no connection to the games, so no one grew attached. It was just another random game with FF in the title. New releases didn't feel like events anymore.

>>715946367
Yes. Return to turn based and return to fun quirky fantasy instead of grim dark or serious business because none of it is working out for them

>>715946461
15 is carried the characters and story. Sadly the gameplay is pretty awful

A bunch of Sqeenix Boomers tried chasing "the youth" and ended up making stuff that chased the youth away even faster because of how lame/gay/fake the games were.

>>715946438
Crystals, chocobos, summons, and Cid.

>>715946461
Only because FF12 came 19 years ago

>>715945826
>15 is the one good title.
Its flat out the game that finally broke the camels back

>>715946584
Not even close. 15 was the an attempt to get FF back on course after the mess that was 12, 13 and 14.

>>715946438
>>715946474
They used to have some unifying things, some elements and motifs that would appear frequently. Certain jobs, crystals, etc. Then those things got abandoned and the unifying things faded away. Becoming RPGs in only lip service, releasing incredibly infrequently, how is the brand supposed to mean anything?

>>715945469 (OP)

>Think we're getting action remake of FF1
>It's so blond guy in his thirties, a twink, and a black guy talking about CHAOS, and all wearing modern clothing
What was Square thinking?

Haven't enjoyed one since X. You can certainly tell they're making them for an increasingly younger audience, like most media these days. Even 16, the supposedly mature one, felt really childish beneath the superficial sex and violence. And it didn't even commit to that either. 7Remake finally made me give up on the series. The original 7 was for 13-year olds and older, but 7 Remake felt like it was made for -13-year olds. Like all remakes, adaptions and sequels to older media the contrast with the original only highlighted to me all the reasons I lost interest in media in general.

Unfortunately for them young people don't particularly care about anything. They're too busy being chained to their flavor of the month multiplayer games through dopamine addiction and sunk cost fallacy.

>>715945826
16 is the good one

>>715946584
Nah. XIII is where the series took a nose dive in relevancy and people started seeing it as a retro franchise on its last legs. 15 had some hype but it didn't work out.

I want a top-down CRPG set in Vana'diel. RTWP or turnbased, either way would be fine. Hell, even just flat out real-time would be ok if they adapted XI's combat well enough to let you granularly control your whole party in real-time.

C'mon Square Enix, chase the Baldur's Gate trend already

>>715945469 (OP)
Why are news only reporting FF?
Dragon Quest: 42
Animal Crossing: 35
Zelda: 35
Pokemon: 32
Mario: 32
Yakuza: 38

Most modern audience is in gacha or roblox
Resident Evil: 38

>>715946627
>Not even close. 15 was the an attempt to get FF back on course after the mess that was
And it ended up fucking it up even worse than those previous games.
People were waiting for Versus XIII since 2006 then it became FFXV. Finally at release it turned out to be a half baked open world gas station game.

>>715945469 (OP)
How can people play this faggotten shitten

>>715946446
I feel they kinda fumbled last gen by not focusing on Switch more. They could have easily churned out plenty of Switch games with low production values and would have had buying audience eating them up.

I don't understand why this would be surprising to anyone.

Yeah, your grandkids don't give a fuck about what you cared about when you were a kid same as you didn't give a shit about what your grandfather loved as a kid. You can't make something that appeals equally to 40 year old men and 8 year old boys. That's stupid.

>>715946695
The sales figures and critical reception to the game prove that false

>>715946713
>Animal Crossing: 35
I don't believe this at all.

>>715945469 (OP)
Uh, I am only 39.

>>715946627
Yeah and they gave up 30% in

>>715946627
It would have been received so much better if the story wasn't completely fragmented between movies and shows and dlcs that were all scatterly released. It's really not a bad story and the characters are great (unlike 16) its a real shame

>>715946660
It was kino

>>715946713
FF is like white men, everyone enjoy joining lynching them because is the promoted thing to do but as soon as it comes back everyone will kneel and pretend they never shat on it

>>715945469 (OP)
Reminder Square Enix made an Ariana Grande a canon final fantasy character https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Ariana_Grande
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MkjrRs0Y4N0

>>715946713
Final Fantasy is weird kind of "prestige" franchise, in that journalists, fandom and SE themselves still treat it as a juggernaut flagship of gaming while that has not been true in like two decades.

>>715946660
it was genuinely really good you should play it, the trailers did it so dirty.

>>715945826
Stranger of Paradise Final Fantasy Origin is better than all of those

>>715946747
most tendies are old people too.
I'm using the same data as the op news

>>715946698
>15 had some hype but it didn't work out.
>15 had some hype
>some
What is this fucking revisionism, Versus XIII later XV was everyone cope after XIII ended up being such a divisive. Oh just wait for Versus XIII

>>715945469 (OP)
Final Fantasy is one of those franchises that refuses to recognize they're already dead.

And worse, Square-Enix knows how they killed the franchise and refuses to recognizes

>They decided to make a movie of the franchise, but basically removing everything that made the franchise unique
>Refused to support the multiplatform when they had to
>Then refused to go make PC versions when they had to
>Then refused to support Switch when they had to
>Then decided, for some reason, return to exclusivity to Sony with astronomical flops, like Forspoken and an almost 3+ years exclusivity to Final Fantasy 7

And curious enough, all the japanese third parties, Bandai Namco, Capcom and Sega had grown their franchises and attracted new players in the past ten or fifteen years, but SE couldn't have the same luck.

Not even Sony looks at Square with the same eyes as how it was twenty years ago, for them Atlus is the new Square and they don't do any shame on saying that.

>>715946845
>Nioh for babies
Nope

>>715946860
I'm not saying you are wrong but that the data is garbage. Look up AC on youtube, twitter, tiktok, le reddit, anywhere. It's all women and fags in their 20s

>>715946747
If webcomics are anything to go by, every Animal Crossing fan is an unmarried childless woman in her mid 30's who lives in squalor.

>Japanese aren't reproducing or getting married
>Still have the same boomers in charge whose minds are degrading
>Passion has died out
>Kids all just want to play gacha on their phones and not buy consoles. Said gacha are losing to the Chinese and Korean ones
>Sony, Microsoft, Steam, and Credit Card companies fucking them at every opportunity
>Nintendo is the only bastion left, and even they are getting infecting with the woke
Japan is fucked.

Like every mainline FF game starting with 13 had negative reception.
14 is the only "good" one, and even it was a disaster when it launched and took years to fix, as far as I know.
7 remake wasn't even a remake, but episodic sequel that will take at least a decade to complete.

>>715945469 (OP)
Zoomers aren't buying anything without yellow paint in it. They have short attention spans and are pretty bad at games in general. It's no wonder they wouldn't care for a 50+ hour game title, when they could play fortnite/cod as any character, or person they can imagine.

>>715945469 (OP)
Well yeah makes sense. You have to be pushing 40 to have played a good ff at launch
>7 was carried a lot by its graphical jump
>8 had garbage leveling system
>9 was alright
>10 was alright
>11 was a shit mmo
>12 only carried the ff name
>13 was shit
>14 is a brain dead mmo, which leans on the legacy of pre 10 hard
>15 had only 1 good act
>remade 7 again because it was the last one where FF really fucking meant something
>16 again, wanst a final fantasy
>remake 7 AGAIN
>next big one to look forward to is 7 part fucking 4
If you have 16 games to your name and you are making 1 title 4 times, they know they peaked there and they know their end user also knows it.

>>715946898
Final Fantasy is basically Star Wars in a lot of ways. Desperately trying to keep subs (Disney+ vs FF14 subs) while trying to figure out what the hell they should do next with the franchise.

Part of the problem is that Square Enix wants to make western AAA games but they have neither western team sizes or budgets. In the past they knew when to cut their loses and focus on essential stuff but these days they refuse to adapt and compromise. So they keep making half-baked and bloated monstrosities wide as an ocean and deep as a puddle.

>>715945469 (OP)

>>715945469 (OP)
Hasn’t made a good game in 25+ years

>>715945826
I'm not talking about the quality of FF11 or FF14:

But I hate, hate, HATE, that they're considered mainline entries. Online only games should NOT be part of the FF series. They should be FFO and FFO2.

>>715947039
Video games?

>>715946227
>So why do they keep making flashy button masher ADD sloppa?

They're a lumbering dinosaur that bet the farm on those games selling and now they can't easily change direction.

e.g. FF7Rebirth is a flop but they're quite literally have to invest significant resources making FF7R part 3 knowing that its going to sell even worse, just to not upset the few that are still interested in it.

>>715945469 (OP)
Because they stopped releasing on Nintendo systems

>>715947103
Most have forgotten how many people were pissed that XI was annouced as a MMO.

>>715946747
https://imgur.com/a/7pGQmyr

>>715946956
>>715947110
Making 7 remake into a trilogy in the first place must be one of the most retarded gaming business decisions of recent times.

>>715947146
Nintendo is full of old people too

>>715947110
It'd be funny if part 3 became SE's version of HL3. They keep delaying it to the point where it just becomes a joke.

>>715945469 (OP)
SE is a basket case internally, a bunch of little fiefdoms run by out-of-touch nip boomers. The most-played JRPG in the world right now is made by chinks instead of square. There is no greater indictment.

>early 00s
>Sak doesn't go on his insane Hawaii CGI movie idea
>instead Square works on 2D anime films based on their games
>they make a Pokemon/digimon clone
>capture cactuars, behemoths, etc
>anime based on this, with kids raising their mons

Would it have worked?

>>715947215
What is this from?

>>715946503
the original FF12 is better than the poorly balanced zodiac remake. fast forward is for zoomers with adhd. the game is better with no gambits, just manually select actions

>>715946996
>You have to be pushing 40 to have played a good ff at launch
Pretty much. The other day someone made an FF thread on /mlp/ and between realising the OG bronies are close to 40 today, it was also a good reminder of just how much FF fan art that fandom had.
Because MLP released and ran its course even before FF15's official release.
Think about how ancient that era feels.

>>715947215
>Nomura is actually a hero and one of the few good men left at Square

>>715946898
Even the shittiest ff makes 3 million. Look at SH, they had a lot of shitty SIlent Hill games and was buried for ages then once they came back even youtubers praised it, shf will probably do well enough
>Turn based
>Multiplatform day one
>ONE game
>Original story
Get this and you suddenly will have grifters saying FINAL FANTASY IS BACK??? With a so i face and even nintendies shilling the next xenoblade along with it for shilling points
>>715946801
This is a good example, everyone fears the pendulum

>>715946941
Its even worst than that.

>yen is dying, currently at its worst in decades
>massive staff shortages and can't find any workers other than foreigners
>not even the poorest of foreigners want to live there due to the work conditions
>about to get hit with a massive tariff that's about to fuck them up even harder

Surprised weebs haven't risen up by now. Japan is prepping for another recession.

>>715947257
I'm kind of surprised they didn't try their hand at Pokemon. Even SMT wanted a piece of the action with a more child friendly version of their monsters.

>>715945978
7 is the only one that got the fomo WOWZERS grafics factor. None of the subsequent games could get that once-in-a-lifetime opportunity like that again because a situation like that won't happen again. FF16 looked good and didn't do anything. I guess a really fucking great story might help another title launch the series back on top but who knows.

>>715947286
Rebalance it so each action has more impact and sure

>>715946941
>>715947342
Asian and white boomers simply ruined their offspring. Between forcing them to lose their prime years studying pointless crap (lets be honest, 80% of jobs dont need this much preparation) and telling girls to study and get 2 careers they basically killed birthrates. Millennial generation is too tired to even try, zoomers are almost 30 and Alpha gen was born in such horror you can't blame these kids for not going outside

>>715947352
FF16 needed pc version first day and a playable party

>>715947024
I think it's even worse than Star Wars because at least Star Wars tries to do something different sometimes, like A Star Wars Story, Andor (the 1st season) and Skeleton Crew.

With Final Fantasy, Square Enix basically does the same thing every time and still don't get why it doesn't work anymore.

They never evolved level design, for example, and that's some basic shit they should have done since Final Fantasy X.

>>715946956
14 shat itself to death last year and hasn't recovered since

>>715947352
>FF16 looked good and didn't do anything. I guess a really fucking great story might help another title launch the series back on top but who knows.
All they have to is consistently produce at the very least a 7-8/10 game in succession and they will bounce back.
As much as I like shitting on XVI for many of its strange decisions, I will praise the game for feeling like a finished product. There's no major part of the game where it feels like someone removed a third of the game.

>>715947321
>Even the shittiest ff makes 3 million. Look at SH, they had a lot of shitty SIlent Hill games and was buried for ages then once they came back even youtubers praised it, shf will probably do well enough

I did some basic math, and found something horrible: Sh games barely sold shit. Sh1 sold 2 million, SH2 Remake sold 2 million, and Konami report said the entire series sold 11.5. So minus 4 you get 7.5, and an average of 1.2 million for the rest of the series.

These are the games people were praising as perfect classics that everyone must play, like SH2, and SH3. These games did NOT fucking sell, and it was a dying franchise.

>>715945826
>15 is the one good title.
lol barry...

>>715947431
Birth rates have tanked in pretty much every post-agrarian country including socially conservative ones like Iran and most Gulf Arab states. People stopping reproducing seems to be pretty much inevitable consequence of industrialization and urbanization. Even incentives like Nordic countries paying literal parenthood gibs does not help.

40-50 is exactly what I would expect though, it would have to have been someone who was a teenager in the 90s

>>715945469 (OP)
They pandered to fujoshi too hard, especially with boyband simulator 15. That killed my interest in the series

>>715947351
>I'm kind of surprised they didn't try their hand at Pokemon. Even SMT wanted a piece of the action with a more child friendly version of their monsters

I'd suspect because most of them were on handheld and Squaresoft were blacklisted from the Gameboy by Yamauchi for the entire duration of Pokemania.

>>715947614
Prove me wrong.

>>715947486
Andor and Skeleton Crew I'd say were like FF14 expansions in my comparison. But yeah, Star Wars is still doing better somehow. But overall I think it's a good comparison of long running franchises whose average fan age is going up and up because they are struggling to get new fans. They had some big hits in the past and then just lost it. I agree with you though, sometimes it feels like FF isn't even trying but it's more that they just don't have a clue what to do any more.

>>715947192
FF7 rebirth alone is like 160 gigs, what do you want you giant homo?

Who will lead FF17? I don't think Square Enix has anyone else buy yoship.

>>715947646
>EWWWWWW ALL GIRLS ARE GAY
>"Ok"
>EWWWWWW ALL BOYS ARE GAY
You cannot win with this franchise.

The problem is that they're spending too much money on making the FF games. They need to stop doing that and make a simpler game. Their focus on cinematic appeal and all style, no substance has hurt them severely for years now. Which is kind of funny considering they don't even need fancy graphics to have style in the first place.

Square Enix is literally too embarrassed to dial it back and make something simpler because they think they HAVE to make an overly cinematic game with action combat. It really wouldn't surprise me if FF17 never comes out after 16 didn't sell anywhere near the amount they wanted, and after porting it to both Xbox and PC, it still didn't recoup any costs.

After 7's remake trilogy is done, they're 100% going for a remake of another FF game because it'll be the safer play. And they're only going to finish the 7 trilogy because they basically have to at this point. They can't back out of that anymore.

Nier is more relevant among actual modern audience than FF

>>715947759
He probably wanted an FF7 remake without 160 gigs of filler designed to make it a trilogy

>>715945469 (OP)
At a bare minimum, Square Enix has to be at least as competitive as Mihoyo and their clones. This will never happen because their ethics department and calicuck offices dictate everything now to Tokyo. Simple as

>>715947784
Just have both genders like 99% of other RPGs?

>>715947610
People have nostalgia. Ocarina of time is constantly praised as the best game ever but it only sold 6 millions, 13 millions in total. Metroid is considered a legacy but it doesn't sell as much
Besides FF like many others was bought multiple times in different plataforms (I have the same ff games in gba, psp, ps3, switch etc) and now with people jumping to pc they dont need to buy multiple versions anymore
FF didnt even sell that much

>>715947839
The scope and scale of FF7 is actually insane, games like this don't get made anymore, they have to remake all the environments as they can't be tiny pre-rendered images the size of a post stamp, this shit takes up space, they had to split this into a trilogy.

>>715947646
Ff15 looks like "ff boyband bugahtti roadtrip" on the outside, but on the inside it's "ff cloud strife visits nevada"

>>715947321
Xenoblade is another franchise that it's about to get stagnant as well if Monolith and Nintendo didn't fix some things, but mainly two:

Stop doing those large fields with sparse enemies and biomes with a single point of reference. I already played Gaur Plains, I'm already fed by that.

Trying to interconnect all the games into one. That was cool in one or two games, but it became boring after Xeno3.

It's a good thing that it seems Takahashi is tired on keep retelling the Xenogears plot and the rumoured new game seems to be a true fantasy. But I honestly don't trust Nintendo on pushing them to make something new, even with their deep pockets and patience. After all, they're a company who are heavily dependent on estabilished franchises.

>>715947805
Kinda my thoughts too as I read the thread. Go with something closer to Persona type budget. Focus on a fun gameplay system and a cool artstyle that doesn't require over 9 gorillian polygons. Unfortunately that would probably make journalists and gaming normalfags spread their cheeks and shit all over it and make them regret trying that.

>>715945469 (OP)
Younger audiences don't want to be groomed

>>715947610
>These are the games people were praising as perfect classics that everyone must play, like SH2, and SH3. These games did NOT fucking sell
>They did not sell
>Got the Best Sellers/Greatest hits/Platinum label in all territories
I wish zoomers would stop posting on this site.

>>715947805
Expedition 33 is unironically good for them
>Shorter
>No open world, mapamundis allowed
Only with this they save A LOT of budget, and they barely have rivals in realistic graphics for the genre
BG3 devs were smart by making it with realistic graphics, people want to date 3d characters not ugly sprites, any crpg that exposes husbandos, waifus (and furries for the degenerate) is going to do better than the ugly worship Dragon Age was
Hell, Starfield died because EVERYONE was a pajeet, would you seriously care about Mars if jeets went there?

>>715947976
People always ignore these out of touch boomers moments. See Persona 3 Remake changing the script to please feminists and being translated and voiced by trannies

>>715947976
I don't think I could write dialogue more shill-heavy than that. How do you do, fellow kids, I am a lgbt like yourselves, please buy my games

>>715945469 (OP)
They went darker and more dramatic.
Younger generations are more about color and irony and memes.

>>715945469 (OP)
>have one of the few darlings of gaming
>dont really capitalize on it because tech bad
>tech good now
>but FF has been eating shit for the past two decades
>break in case of emergency
>no one cares
I enjoyed it but lol, lmao even

>>715945469 (OP)
>Try to appeal to kids by creating a game of thrones copy with 2014 AAA gameplay 10 years after any of those things were relevant.
I just don’t understand yoship’s thought process any more. Do they put something in the water over at Square Enix?

>>715947805
So you say. But whenever they make a non FF jrpg, nobody buys it.

>>715947805
To be fair weren't they releasing a bunch of indie tier games for a long time? Most of them just flew under the radar. They just didn't carry the FF name since a franchise can't really step back without it seeming like an admission of failure. Nothing stops them from just making a FF6 tier game for 17 with a total budget of 50 bucks but who would take it seriously?

>>715945469 (OP)
>last final fantasy is ff12
>surprised when they lost 2 generations of people
Maybe focusing so hard in a failed shit wasn't a smart idea?

>>715945826
>15 is the one good title.

XV is good if u can run it without the judder which very few can. They should go all in on XVII and XVIII(MMO and CO—Op) and revolutionize the genres seeing how there’s currently no top dog. Its either that or go gotcha with the corpse of FF.

>>715947848
>At a bare minimum, Square Enix has to be at least as competitive as Mihoyo
Anon, that's like saying your business needs to be, at bare minimum, as performant as Nvidia.
miHoYo is not a "good enough bar", miHoYo is currently the single most successful video game company on the planet.
They're already more wealthy than all of the Japanese and most Western publishers out there.
Their fanbase young and wealthy, their projects well-accepted, their employees highly motivated.

>>715945978
Bullshit

>>715947946
Xenoblade IS falling in the same trap trails and yakuza are, at some point people wont follow too many games. FF was smarter in doing one game one story (even dq did the retarded shit of connecting dq11 to a different game). Atelier is also smarter since they make like 3 games per saga so people know they can play Ryza without knowing the rest.
Star Ocean is the worst case since all of them are connected but so3 cucked them. They should just ignore them just like capcom ignores dmc2.

Xenoblade should be FF but with mechas, no connection, same with Star Ocean, just space kino without connection to previous games.

Though that said gachas are just stealing the modern audience since everyone can play at the same time and use their own units whenever they want, they can't compete too much against that

>>715945469 (OP)
>>715946281
I was so excited after FFX for future FFs to develop CTB combat, just like how V-IX expanded on the ATB combat of IV in fun new directions. It seemed like a very natural direction for the series.
But they got a bug in them around this time. Something happened and then after X they could never find another win again, the franchise spiraled out of control and they insisted that each game be COMPLETELY different from each other. The franchise became schizophrenic, the games became bad, everyone stopped caring.
Very sad to see because X looked like the perfect start of a new era for FF. Instead it was the franchise’s swan song.

>>715948147
Leave it to Square-Enix to fuck it up.
For example Valkyrie Elysium its a solid 6-7/10 budget, problem being that anyone who cares about anything "Valkyrie" series related wanted Valkyrie Profile 3 not some semi-spinoff entry.

>>715947805
They can't. It's a hole they've been digging themselves in for over 2 decades. if the next one looks graphically worse than the last, then people will complain that it looks like shit, both zoomers and fans (who actually buy the games). Shit graphics are what the spinoffs are for, but those sell even less than the mainline games. It's like asking for GTA6 to look like GTA4. Sure, a couple of thousand people on 4chan and reddit might cream their pants and spam "I KNEEL IKNEEL BASED ROCKSTAR YESSS" but people online are so fucking irrelevant for this shit only an actual retard would listen to these online complaints with sheer sincerity.

>>715945469 (OP)
went from making 6 games in 10 years to not making anything, also only millenials even touch single player stuff anymore, stuff like Lies of P and Expedition 33 are popular and sell well, but heavily skewed towards only among millenials who grew up playing those types of games

>>715948083
Japanese boomers are just too dumb
Like, ff16 would make sense during gow and GoT edgy audiences but now?
Also action games not called dmc or gow struggle.
My theory is that ff16 is just the cancelled ff12 fortress sequel

That said if they want a new audience let Nomura make Verum Rex as a new ip (cute characters, new ip so zoomers wont get lost) instead of more kh crap

>>715945469 (OP)
38 here
so thats is why i dont care?

there numbers are insanely grim. Video games are a dying medium

I assure you as a 45 year old man I have not cared about Final Fantasy at all in 25 years.

>>715948427
Gacha, indies and roblox killed them

>>715946713
FF is also 32 years old the average audience

>>715948475
>Gacha, indies
im having fun with this ones
sad for the anons that cant

>>715945469 (OP)
Final Fantasy lacks any sort of identity, which is wild considering how old it is. Square Enix have been pissing away its appeal ever since X really. The most popular games in the franchise are 25+ years old. All because the delusional, out of touch old men in charge constantly felt the need to "reinvent" the series to try and make it appeal to da yoof, ditching everything that people ever liked about the series in the first place. Clair Obscur has proven how absolutely fucking insane they were to move away from things like three niggers in a row combat, and that it was never a barrier to mainstream success.

Yet I've already seen an interview with that worthless faggot Yoshida downplaying its impact and stating that it won't affect their plans for future Final Fantasy games. The series is doomed without major upper management changes at Square Enix, and it's unlikely that will happen.

>>715948390
>also only millenials even touch single player stuff anymore, stuff like Lies of P and Expedition 33 are popular and sell well, but heavily skewed towards only among millenials who grew up playing those types of games

Something i've realized and a few are talking about as well: there's a demographic apocalypse coming up. The generation that got raised with tablets and youtube are growing up.

They don't watch tv, they don't watch movies, they don't play games that are outside of a few games like Roblox, GTA Online, Fornite, etc.

Nothing. They don't touch anything else. Nothing. Literally nothing. They don't touch single player games.

We can run this ship for a few more decades, but each year less and less people will play the "core" games that we associate with gaming, as people age out or die, and aren't replaced by the next gen.

>>715947848
>fullertroon
How do these freaks infiltrate the highest levels of a Japanese company?

>>715948415
The problem is that XVI started production in 2014 when those things were still somewhat popular. The Japan curse of being forever behind the times strikes again, though it was easily preventable. The same thing happened with Dragon Age The Veilguard, by the time the game came out of production hell comsumer’s tastes had changed and nobody liked it. You have to be forward thinking but CBU3 is an incredibly reactionary studio in this regard.
Expect a FF turn based crpg in 2035 when that style isn’t popular anymore.

>>715948540
>They don't watch tv, they don't watch movies
Even normies are going to anime because western movies suck dude, its always demoralization interracial and zero cool white males figures (this also kills the female audience who had to go to kdrama because not even them like the forced saint black guy and pajeet protagonist)
I will say even more: the world is basically over, as soon as asians and whites die out all that will be left is a brown horde

>>715948565
Yeah I thought so. But I still suspect this is just Fortress. Looks similar, its action, Clive was Basch, and he even aged in the game.
>Veilguard
Characters are too ugly. That thing can't win
Dunno why they refuse to make turn based though, their other ips have turn based

>>715948528
This
I fully expect a Sony buyout and they just become a fluff studio whose only purpose is to expand PlayStation lineup, never expected to actually make a profit. All because they couldn’t let go of their retarded ideals.
Yoshida is such an interesting figure because he bends the knee at the first sign of criticism for things he really shouldn’t, then holds on to his guns when he really needs to respond to criticism. His response to XVI not being an RPG is proof of this (lo and behold the game came out and there are absolutely zero RPG elements).

>>715948540
Exp 33 is popular because realistic graphics

>>715948625
shouldn't you be getting killed in some ukrainian ditch right now instead of pouting about black panther 2? or are you from one of the even worse soviet satellites

>>715948427
did they poll any children for this, or is this just amongst adults?
it would be insane if the average hello kitty's fan' age is 40

>>715948705
>Dunno why they refuse to make turn based though
My theory is that the anti-jrpg wave of the 2000s really mindraped them
One Phil Fish type called FFX’s combat outdated and they spent the next 25 years trying to appeal to him instead of just listening to their fans.

>>715948625
>Even normies are going to anime because western movies suck dude, its always demoralization interracial and zero cool white males figures (this also kills the female audience who had to go to kdrama because not even them like the forced saint black guy and pajeet protagonist)

Yeah, but you're getting cause and effect mixed up. Why are Western movies like this? Because the people who make them are addicted to twitter, and this shapes their views, and they want to appeal to their friends on twitter. "hey, I'm Jason, creator of the new Spiderman that made the characters Trans! Love me!"

The very fact that you can do this means that movies/tv are NOT the top media product, social media is, and everything else is down stream of that. Twitter brained retards then accelerate the trend by making the western media appeal to no one other than twitter sensibilities.

Japanese are holding out longer, but same issue: decreasing budgets for TV since youth are on internet content.

>I will say even more: the world is basically over, as soon as asians and whites die out all that will be left is a brown horde

The end of the world is just beginning.

>>715948415
>That said if they want a new audience let Nomura make Verum Rex as a new ip (cute characters, new ip so zoomers wont get lost) instead of more kh crap
It might be too late for that. If Verum Rex did come out it'd be tied to KH. Someone can fact check if the credits mention VR as being owned by SE. If not it might be part of KH and therefore Disney owned.

>>715948748
Japanese boomers don't know english, they think the consulting companies lies are real
>Why yes the west actually loves trannies
Boomer nips just want to sell so they adapt, but since they dont know english they are always cucked. See namco cancelling titles but releasing that indian woman game nobody bought and Capcom making ugly older characters because they think everyone is gay and love old characters and the backslash comes from 4 nazis
Chinks and koreans dont allow these extorsion companies and are smarter as that, the monkey game devs even nowayfagged the (((consulting))) companie who were trying to extort 7 millions from them and blackmailed them with journos doomposting their game (japanese boomers fear this a lot)

>>715948748
Highly doubt a Sony buyout is going to happen when they're just "starting" (needs to be seen) their multiplatform approach. Not even the most demented jap boomer is that retarded. Not to mention just several months ago, the YUUUGE talks of a Kadokawa buyout, which fit Sony even more+was cheaper and the only thing that ended up happening was a slightly higher amount of shares (still lower than Tencent's).

>>715948824
And that makes them retarded
Imagine if FF was tied to DQ. Imagine if ff and kh never existed because dq is the safe option
This is how retarded suits are and why even indies are mogging them everyday

>>715948290
Hoyo's sole claim to fame is remaining privately held (for now). Which admittedly insulates them somewhat from being pozzed, but don't kid yourself, they're not even 5% of Tencent's market cap. Genshin is an insignificant gnat compared to HoK.

>>715946747
35 is the age of the average tendie, yes the ones that are obsessed with Baby Princess Peach/Daisy/Rosa are all old bastards that could appear in a japanese doujin

>>715947659
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXJFbsQBvLw

>>715947342
>not even the poorest of foreigners want to live there due to the work conditions
At least wealthy foreigners want to move there and be professional tourists.

>>715948891
It’s funny how these supposedly pro-LGBT consultants would never approve of a character like Kuja, given how we never see characters like him anymore. No, the highest form of gay rights is a middle aged Latina in a windbreaker in all of your games.

>>715947352
You forgot ffx. That ps2 jump with full va was otherworldly

>>715945985
Those out of touch boomers no longer exist. The suits are millennials now.

>>715948748
Sony isn't buying SE out, it's a Singaporean investment firm (likely a Tencent front) about to do that.

>>715948918
Knowing Square the “””multiplatform””” approach will be releasing for newest PlayStation, with a Switch 2 port coming 3 years later and PC port coming 5 years later.
And they will wonder why their games are all flopping.

>>715949060
Nomura is 54. Yoshi-P is 52.

>>715948765
Nta but i don't get what point you're trying to make. It's like you're trying to set up some weird strawman but you dressed the strawman to look simultaneously trans and a nazi. It's just confused like the result of some weird little critter trying to lash out on an anonymous image board.

>>715949048
They were never pro-lgbt, retards just got scammed by profiteers. And now the same thing is happening in reverse with the companies pretending to be right-wing too.

They are soulless machines that only exist to make more money, nothing else.

>>715949182
Grifters gotta grift.

>>715948891
>>715949048
Gacha audience is learning that pandering to yuritroons can kill your audience. See BA who had some drama with yuri fandom to the point many bafags quit and never came back.
Dungeon Meshi is prime example of the yuri audience murdering the audience, every artist that drew male x female was suddenly attacked by ITS MA'AM old troons audience. The problem is also most cosplayers and artists are female so if you lose that you lose free marketing. Normal people also cringe when they see under their fav characters art
>She/he is QUEER, LIKE ME!
You would be surprised how much damage those people can cause to your ip.
Though its hilarious since FF13 had 2 yuri characters who were actually likeable but Toriyama ignored them to shill Lightning kek, Vanille was the real heroine actually

>>715947164
>genshin sex ratio
>55:45
Wtf I can meet gurls by playing the chinese zelda?

"younger audiences" have kikes in their brains that control them for life, act like retards and dress like nggrs.
Everyone born after 1993 can get killed for all I care.
Notice I didn't say die but more or less referred to them specifically being murdered. Fuck them and fuck you op, you fucking faggot loving jewed out broccoli top bitch.
This isn't the W you think it is.

>>715949264

>>715949282
Dude its old farts the ones ruining the world. Like, kids see old people giving their wealth to nogs, no shit, if I were 15 yo I would also refugee in gacha anime

>>715949238
FF13 also did “subversive dark final fantasy” way better than 16 funnily enough.
Yeah, an evil crystal god forcing you to go on a quest probably won’t be all sunshine and rainbows. It was an interesting thing to explore. Meanwhile in FF16 the “subversive” premise is that the crystals…are bad for the environment! DUN DUN DUUUN

>>715949264
Its why Kuro shills seethe. They now have to pretend to be HELLO FELLOW WAIFUFAGS but without Nikke/Blue Archive characters appeal and are too coward to backpedal but they still want the fujo/female audience

>>715947976
>mascot is a gay furfag
lel

>>715949347
Yeah it is boomers fucking shit up but you aren't helping much. The middle generations have to watch the decay and shake our heads in shame while you perpetuate the noggery and spiritual judaism

>>715946713
Gaming is actually turning into a t.v. for millenials isn't it?

>>715949238
Didn't the last gundam backpedal and went straight pandering now after witch one made old fags quit?
I do agree that yuri schizos somehow became worse than fujos, with fujos I expect women to be delusional and passionate but seeing grown men so obsessed with little girls interaction is just so weird

>>715949430
How is this not the 2025 version of
>youre perpetuating satanism and bad values by growing your hair past your soldiers and listening to metal

>>715949441
The best games were made 20 years ago, so is normal, specially if now it takes 8 years to make a mediocre turd like Star Wars Outlaw

>>715949393
Genshit lost.

>>715949160
For sure. Ironically, their reluctance to treat other platforms as equals to Playstation just ends up being a good thing for devs who release on Steam and Nintendo platforms because there's less competition. It also throws them into a negative feedback loop where there's less relevancy to their products, which gives them less money, which means they spend less money on products, so there's less products to spread the Square Enix name.

>>715945469 (OP)
You need to have at least one major HD title for kids to know you. Kids who started playing in late 00s didn't go back to clunky PS2, they were stuck in the HD era. And that's everyone under 25 now
>inb4 I did
You're a freak, look around you

>>715949523
i'm too old to understand what you meant by that

>>715949535
>video games are dancing anime cutscenes
I love this industry and its fans

>>715949535
One of those Wuwa cutscenes kept freezing for me, making the game unplayable. On a PC that can play every modern game. Wuwa is a piece of shit made by retards

>>715949430
I'm a millennial too and imo we were cucked the hardest. We had the golden childhoold I guess, but we really thought a future existed and then we were cucked ever since 2008 (just when we entered our adulthood). Something I envy from zoom zooms is knowing the game was rigged from the start. I wouldnt have put so much effort, I would have enjoyed my teen years better and I would have learned manual job. I would have worked sooner and I could have caught some house since they were cheaper before but most of us fell for the college scam

>>715948748
If it happens it won’t be for many years. They remain financially stable despite not having their shit in order.

>>715948810
Its just elites following a misandry agenda. Most rich people are cucks raised by insecure mothers, and the men are trained to remove fun and beauty
Worshipping only money is retarded since money is literally pointless if beauty stops existing
What's the point of being rich if the rest are indians? This is why I despise rich cucks

>>715945469 (OP)
Probably something to do with all the freaks they hired

>>715945469 (OP)
FunFact:
This is true for just about any form of media you have to pay for.
Why studios and developers have been spitting in the faces of their only paying customers for a decade now is insanity. They thought they could cultivate younger audiences. They failed. And they've alienated most everyone who was actually paying.

>>715949590
Gaming is for old people because new games suck

>>715949535
Point proven kek. Wuwa had husbandos at the beginning because they wanted that audience, now they are in the worst of both worlds not even you paid shills can talk about it without bringing the most popular competition

>>715945469 (OP)
Because all their actually talented devs escaped a decade ago to make horse pussy instead

>>715949695
Add to that
>Want men poorer, single and childless
So what happens when those men die? Exactly, you get less customers. By now the average millennial should have had 2 or 3 kids, then those kids would be the one buying next, then their kids, and so on

>>715946820
Cancelled gachas aren't canon

>>715949737
That anon is a butthurt botw. The hilarious part is that he seethes with the botw/elden ring comparisons

>>715949473
Gundam has always floated UC content in addition to developing Gundam in other directions. Any UC stuff is basically for Gundam oldfags, while stuff like Witch from Mercury is designed to try to hook in new audiences. It a twist, Anno's UC fanfiction ended up more impactful than expected

>>715949632
I mean FFXIV is dropping pretty drastically in subs, sure nothing life threatening but afaik that’s their main income source. It’s probably gonna be tough times ahead at least no?

>>715949535
every time I see this reposted the hoyonigger seethe brings me endless joy

>>715949515
It just isn't I don't have to explain it.

>>715949824
I never understood that either. Before, everything worked
>Women were trapped in offices, instead they spent all the morning shopping
>White kids getting all the presents
>Women competing between them to see which one can buy the most expensive dress/toy
>Men would touch grass and waste their money to please their wife/children
Meanwhile we give money to browns who just steals and send most of their money to their country

>>715949912
every real fan knows the bottom mogs the top because of this

>>715945469 (OP)
Shitty game budgets if it's not a mainline FF title
Suffocating Ethics department.
Half assed legacy releases, if they aren't FF.
Western published titles are forgettable slop bombs.
This company sucks now.

>>715949535
>>715949912
>Shin seething about genshin again
At least I hope you are well paid kek

>>715950018
Guys, this is an FF thread, please take it to discord or something

>>715949948
Elites were mad poorer people were happier than them. While they were in autistic pedo rituals the average white kid was enjoying their nintendo, their PlayStation, sharing Pokemon cards, riding bycicles, playing outside.
Money is worthless if you have no soul and most rich people lack souls

>>715946627
What reality are you living in, XV is probably what tanked this franchise reputation for good.

>>715945469 (OP)
Is it me or all these dying places constantly using controversy with ff to be relevant? Nobody reads these shits

>>715948427
>Le Sserafim 80% female
Huh, I thought female kpop bands would at least be around 50:50

>>715946584
13 did more lasting brand damage. 15 was just a mediocre entry after 14 and 16 killed the franchise permanently.

>>715949889
Doesn’t look like it yet. They also just had that singapore company take a major position in their stock. But the next 5 years or so will probably be crucial to win back audience. Probably part of why they’re taking so long with some of their bigger titles. If they fail to do that then it might start looking more grim.

>>715949613
>I'm a millennial too and imo we were cucked the hardest.
young millennials* plenty of 40 year old dudes are just doing great while the real fucked line starts at graduating about a year, maybe two before the UH OH LITTLE FUCKY WUCKY HERE of 2008 we've never recovered from. At least those fuckers got to stay at home AND get to work saving money to buy a foreclosed home not even a decade later. Got blackpilled real fucking fast getting told "well when I was your age I had that same job and it got me:"
>two car notes
>house note
>housewife
>good insurance
>kid and bun in the oven
>little bit left over
but thank fucking god we have cheap phones that half of somalia can get their hands on too!

>>715946161
Your completely misunderstanding why FROM manages to push out HD games at the pace they are currently without going bankrupt, it's not because "lol Armageddon" it's because they are smart when it comes to asset reuse, development overhead and leadership of projects.

They save HUGE amounts of money by developing their own engine, their own (reusable) assets and keeping 3rd-party libraries out of their games as much as possible along with making sure that new talent in their companies gets enough room to grow and have enough guidance to NOT make massive fucking mistakes over and over again.

What is killing square at the moment is the utter incompetence of the leadership at the company along with them trying to use (pay for) as many shortcuts through development as possible.

>>715950159
FF is easy grifter points and the safest option since they don't want to upset Nintendo or fornite audiences so you won't get things like Hollow Knight being more popular than Metroid, average nintendo fan age or sales comparisons with Rockstar
Hell even Zelda comparison with Genshin and Elden are mostly forbidden, same with Palworld and Pokemon sales comparison

>>715949006
Tbf Honor of Kings shits all over genkeks and every other dev outside tencent's umbrella. But I don't see mihoyo getting bought out unless Da Wei steps on the wrong CCP toes.

>>715950217
I don’t see anything that they can do to “win back audience”.
FFXIV has old and outdated code for pretty much everything, limiting what they can achieve with it. If they just continue doing what they’re doing they’ll continue to lose audience at the current rate.
Final 7 remake game probably won’t be a slam dunk either. Being the finale of a trilogy means only people who are already invested will buy it by design.
And as for any new FFs, we don’t know anything about that. Even if we assume that FF17 was put into pre production around 2022 (a reasonable guess), we wouldn’t know anything about it. Ishikawa would probably be the head writer, and her emotional character driven stories could bring the series back on track. But yoship’s adamant hatred of RPG elements makes me think it won’t stick the gameplay landings, which is the most important part. Put in PlayStation autism, and I don’t see a lot of hope for them on that front.
They need to make it very clear they are shifting their priorities but they are not doing that.

>>715950237
>thank fucking god we have cheap phones
Seriously wtf are boomers like this kek. I got more or less lucky but my brother not so much (he has depression and lost a job). I remember a family reunion with my uncle telling my brother he was lucky he had 2 phones while my uncle has 2 homes KEK. His kids are also depressed kids but he ignores them.
Millennials biggest mistake was believing in boomers and teachers. They dont love their kids. I consider them even below immigrants because even immigrants cringe at white men boycotting their own offspring while laughing.
One day I dropped
>Old men like phones so much because they think they can contact minor girls easily but are too bad with technology to try
And they shut up. Say this in front of his wives. Its literally the only reason why they think we won for having those things with us kek

>>715946713
>Yakuza: 38
holy crap, started playing yakuza series when I was 36.

>>715946161
Post apocalyptic ff sounds kino. There is been post apocalyptic elements in 7. 8 and 10. In 6 you have world of ruin. In chrono trigger you see post apocalypse.
Why not go all in. Full on post apocalyptic final fantasy. Just steal world of ruin plot. Some guy or God takes over. World gets fucked. Those few around fight to survive. Ocasionally people set out to fix the world. Only for never to be heard again. MC mother/father figure sets out with party. Several years later one of party members comes back with new information that could lead to salvation of world. Thus MC sets out to save the world

>>715945469 (OP)
FFX was the last good game in this godforsaken series, Sakaguchi completely killed it with his retardation. Good thing that mongoloid became a black sheep in the industry and people mostly ignore him.

>>715946446
Get rid of cutscenes. No more cinematic stuff. Just stright up adventure. Let peoples play through everything

>>715948776
>did they poll any children for this, or is this just amongst adults?
anon is incapable of reading a graph

One comment that irked me was, “a ff6 remake would take 20 years”.
Like, why though? Would people really be upset if a remake of FF6 had the production values of, say, Tales of Berseria? As long as the newest games looked really good I don’t see what’s be wrong with it. It’d be like the DS remakes of 3 and 4 but slightly higher budget.

>>715949889

>>715950695
Current player counts are around early shadowbringers/late stormblood. It’s fine if you’re a player but to an investor those figures are a pants-shitting moment.

>>715950691
>Would people really be upset if a remake of FF6 had the production values of, say, Tales of Berseria
Nobody would play that just like nobody played the Saga remake with those production values

>>715950113
>>715949948
My father grew up in America during its high trust society era. He was sent to a general store when he was 8 years old with money from my grandfather to buy dynamite. The store asked him what he was buying it for. Then went back to the storage shed and brought out the requested amount and sold it to him.
I asked him just yesterday about that and why he thought our high trust society died. His answer was that it was the laws that came first. The government changed the rules and then it was the people's behavior that changed. Not the other way around.

>>715945826
>15 is the one good title.
That's some good bait. You earned the (You).

>>715945469 (OP)
By killing their golden goose overnight with Sena Bryer

>>715950423
Consistent quality output, like they used to be. Then the brand name gains more value again. It's why Rebirth was celebrated internally with a promotion for Hamaguchi, despite not doing the numbers it needed. If you bring out 90+ games on a consistent basis then the numbers will follow as it inevitably attracts eyes, see a company like Fromsoftware.
Of course the question is can they pull that off at all and how many people will stay on board as they attempt their way into that.

>>715950237
In the early 2000's you needed 5 years of experience and a degree to get a entry level position. Don't tell me we weren't fucked you gaslighting retard.

>>715946627
>15 was the an attempt to get FF back on course
15 was an attempt to salvage assets of a failed project into a semblance of a game after years of nothing but drafts and fake trailers and they gave it to fucking TABATA who has never made one good game in his entire fucking career

>>715950760
Maybe it’s because people don’t care about the Saga games as much? At this point nobody’s playing the super high budget 7 remake either, which would be unthinkable to a gamer in 2007.
It seems like everything that Square does turns to shit. Nobody buys their high budget games. Nobody buys their low budget games. What to do?

>>715949824
To be fair, birth rates have been in consistent decline ever since the industrial revolution.
Baby boomers were an anomaly in the trend.

>>715950431
Blaming others is a zoomer trait.

>>715950882
Say what you want about Nomura but he got screwed. How does he continue to cuck out and act like it's no big deal?

Kek so they have an audience that's loaded with money and time and they still can't sell their trash?

>>715945469 (OP)
And yet square keeps desperately trying to appeal to zoomies, often if not always, at the expense of the older fan base.
>How did Square-Enix fail in appealing to younger audiences this bad?
Because even since enix took over, all the way since 10-2, they've made it very clear that they don't know what they're doing anymore
>>715946164
Dynamic and immersive visuars demand much more time for a frustratingry inferior productu. Prease understandu

>>715945469 (OP)
It checks, I played 7 in 1997 when I was 9 and was awestruck by the media then. FF7R is only good from a nostalgia perspective.

Their bad really, they could have done better with the openworld section of it for the new gen but didn't really tried.

>>715950851
The thing is Fromsoft games are bought and celebrated because they’re good and execute their gameplay well. Rebirth only got the same reward scores because FF actually had a few mini games again.
I do agree a consistent release schedule would help a lot. Marvel movies at their prime were high production values and came every year. It was an event to go see one. They need to capture that again.

>>715950859
Are you fucking retarded, beyond your way over exaggeration do you think it was worse than however many years earlier? hahahahaha I filled out over 100 applications for entry level before I even got a callback. If you graduated in the early 2000's, got to live with mommy and daddy and could not save for a cheap house you absolutely fucked up everything lmao

>>715950983
It's not Japanese to talk shit about your company especially when you're still in that company
I don't think it could've been helped though. Getting FFXIV back on track was a big priority for the company. It was an inevitable outcome of a decade of bad management.

>>715950859
Not him but I'm curious about something, why didn't millenials just pick a job like linecook, carpenter or some other manual labor job that are always looking for people? I'm younger but I never have issues with finding work and I'm not even that good at what I do

>>715950968
But thats what boomers do and you lived in easy mode

>>715951000
Kids are the biggest spenders in games. Adults aren't dumb enough to splurge on full price games, we wait for 50% off at least

>>715945826
Single digits of truth, Square Enix sucks ass at making games.

>>715946048
Retrospectively X was kino but at the time it already felt like a let down from the PSX era. Unbeknownst to us then it was the last fantasy we'll ever had.

>>715951091
Because boomers told them that was for peasants, some even punched their own kids for not going to college
Boomers were really obsessed with college

>>715951131
Kids actually wait for sales though

>>715951086
>your way over exaggeration
Except that it's not. You fucking late 90's dimwit.

>>715951150
You're right actually. Noticed that too growing up, seeing how unhappy a lot of them ended up I decided to do the exact opposite boomers told. Got a part time manual job, cheap appartment, no car, never take out a loan and I save like 1000 a month and most of my time is spend on vidya. It's not ideal but cozy enough

>>715951091
Boomers never taught their kids and on top of that they told them horror stories about living under bridges if they didn't go to college
They also shamed girls if they had kids while young and told them to focus in their careers
Millennials were betrayed by their own parents and boomers seethe they can't deceive zoom zooms as easily
Some of them even are starting to lick zoomers asses because they need someone to save them from their future Mamadou nurse

>>715951090
He doesn't need to talk shit.
I'm sure he has enough clout to just do a Kojima except quit instead of being fired.
He could just leave, probably.

>>715945469 (OP)
>>715945494
I don't believe this. XIV is a cultural phenomenon and everyone played it. The story is already legendary and often cited by non gamers and even literature professors.

it's sad they were never able to make a game as epic as 6. 9 was great and so was 12, but i wish something like 6 was made in 3D before they went bankrupt and merged with enix

>>715951224
Again, imagine crying like you had it worse. You had so many years to save your shitty wages but pissed them away and bitch and moan as if we're the same. Get fucked, idiot.

>>715947784
Your JRPG party should be MC, arrogant tsundere giant tits black mage, naive flat chested bard, cool old dude, animal/pet/monster, MC canon love interest shy healer, energetic MC best friend who speaks like a caveman and can also work as MC interest if female, extra companion that you unlock being the angsty secondary villain that respect MC strength after two encounters.

ANYTHING OUTSIDE THIS IS COMPLETELY FOOLNES

>>715951150
Tv was also full of shows where the boomer needed to "save" their kids from dropping out of school. Every tv show had that subplot of the boomer boycotting their own kid in their first job so the happy ending was the kid going back and rot away in classrooms in college again, instead of saving for 5 years to move out young kek
>>715951263
The sad thing is now boomers are playing dumb and telling 35 yo millennials they actually didn't need to study and could have learned a basic job in their 15s (like fucking 20 years ago dude). No shit millennials don't want to contact their parents

>>715951091
Why?
>>715951150
THIS
They were raised in a school system that told them they could get a job in any field or interest they held.
Which translates into internalized feelings of faking it to make it is lying to not only your self but your employer. Also the idea of not applying in person and also not being hired by your boss/manager/supervisor is abhorrent. HR is a disease.

>>715951319

>>715951369
Faggot

>>715951319
>>715951413
Why are you always doing this kek

>>715951059
I rirr never understand.

>>715951427

>>715951284
>They also shamed girls if they had kids while young and told them to focus in their careers
This is why the birthrate has gotten so bad. It's like the boomers did everything they could to destroy the society that gave them everything.

>>715946161
Crystal Tools and XIIIs (and it's "franchise") was their biggest fiasco. XII could have been kino but was too out there and nobody wanted an offline mmo. XIII was just boring corridors on a over convoluted story with teammates who couldn't handle each others, and as square was loosing money they desperately tried to fed force us 2 sequel for them trying to understand "modern western game design" while they could have created new games.

Agito / Type-0 could have been kino if not limited by it's support. And versus / XV was a mess. I don't get why they need to push a main number one as a MMO again with XIV, but I guess in the end it has make them bucks so.

Squeenix seems to have lost touch with the medium since Sakaguchi's departure fr.

>>715951091
>>715951150
I remember how my boomer parents (a researcher and a teacher) got genuinely mad at my little sister for wanting to be a hairdresser after junior high, they had a seriously seething talk with her about how settling for that kind of a job would ruin her life. She did end up going to college for a media degree and then never got job on that field anyways adn ended up working in furniture retail.
At least things turned out okay for her since she married up in the end.

>>715951452
what?

>>715945469 (OP)
I am older than 40 and I hate FF

>>715947636
Uh oh well deserved too.
I liked aspects of 16 but it definitely had dogshite pacing. They stretched an 8 hour action game to 50 hour """""rpg""""".

>>715951491
Because boomers were castrated by their women. Their women obviously didn't want 17 years old horny millennial girls after their husbands, so we have an entire generation (boomer men x millennial women and millennial men x millennial women) who never brought white kids

>>715950956
I honestly just think its work related. There have been no other time in human history where 24/7/365 of your time was planned in advance to the degree where "vacation" could exist as a valid concept.

Hell, even when we were hunter gatherers we probably didn't work all the time every day regardless of how grueling life was back then, there are only so many berries to pick or animals to hunt before you've had your fill of food and have the materials you need for a few days at a time if you pick any more berries or kill any more animals at that point you'll just be wasting resources. Humans aren't meant to spend more than half of their life doing work for no tangible reward, we are meant to gather what we need and then rest until you need to feed yourself again.

We aren't breeding anymore because modern life leaves no time for it, most of your time is spent on pointless busywork that might one day pay off but most of the time it wont while the rest of our time is spent in a semi-coma since we have no where near enough time for RnR to actually ever fulfill that need or doing ACTUAL work that needs to get done to survive and keep yourself sane.

>inb4 HURRDURR COMMIE!
This is the only real link that binds every "modern" country together in the baby struggle and the baby boom more or less proves it as it was one of the only times in modern history where your average person HAD enough time not just to work but to relax while the share of resources where more evenly distributed in our societies. Politics has nothing to do with it, otherwise actually communist states wouldn't all have imploded.

>>715946438
Final Fantasy is a vibe, that slightly change between each sequel and keep a common broad mythology and lexicon. Many jRPG does that btw.

So it's dishonest to say nothing unifiés them (apart maybe from 12, which is clearly from the tactical branch and an outlier).

>>715946064
>>715946064
>kids only play fortnite and roblox
holy fuck this. ready player one couldn’t have been more wrong. normies default to the lowest common denominator of retard mmo like.

>>715945469 (OP)
Nostalgia wanking = aging fanbase.

>>715951463
You arready rostu

>>715951497
Yeah, the funny part is that ALL the girls who quit school and worked sooner (while the parents and teachers said they ruined their lives, hell, I remember one teacher spending an hour shitting on a female classmate who quit school and said he ruined her life) ended up married and with kids, this because they end up saving more money in their prime, were adults sooner and after 4 years working they could afford some apartment, bonus point if they had a boyfriend paying too.
I also always found Creepy boomer fathers so obsessed with their daughters (nooo dont date a pedo 3 years older than you and with a stable job!), I suspect a lot of them are pedos

>>715951082
Yeah it has been one of the bigger issues. Big quantity of output, but rarely of high quality.
That's why I like the new plan they have for fewer games and putting more resources into polishing the ones they do make, but then again actually pulling it off is something else.

>>715951386
Why as in why I'm curious about the topic or why as in why it's easy to find work? If it's the second then it's because noone seems to want to do the job I do. I don't even do anything special as I'm just a cook but whenever any place I've worked opens up a position very few people respond, and the few that do are often immigrants who don't speak the language

>>715951608
Final Fantasy had a gameplay vibe. I-III were traditional turn based. IV-IX were all ATB and that really established its identity as a franchise. Each game had its own quirks but they were all variations of ATB in the end.
FFX went back to turn based but heavily influenced by ATB. And then after that they lost the plot and the franchise starting crashing.
The stories and worlds were all different but ATB was the gameplay glue that kept the franchise consistent and understandable. Why should I be excited for your franchise when each entry takes minimum 6 years and are all completely different from each other?
People like franchises because it’s a guarantee that you will find some enjoyment in an entry. If each entry is completely and radically different from each other then there’s no reason for the franchise to exist. It’s just confusing for the consumer and they dip.

>>715946161
>Final Fantasy games are supposed to be globe hopping affairs with hundreds of NPCs and quest lines and locations to visit. You could easily spend a billion dollars developing such a game, and take a decade to make it. Obviously it's not possible.
Then, dial back the ambition and make them classic isometric turn based?

>>715946540
>PS2 era was their last high point. After that, the time-lag for releases grew too much and there's no connection to the games, so no one grew attached. It was just another random game with FF in the title. New releases didn't feel like events anymore.
You nailed it.

The PSX titles came when the broader new generation came to video games, 3d make the games more ambitious too. At the time you had kino new games every years or so. Nowadays we have to wait 6 years for shitty release, and like cinéma they don't try anymore and appeal to nostalgia by making remake, remaster, and remove all charm and creativity of 90s production.

Late stage capitalism in a bubble. Everything is now optimized and rationalized for the quick bucks, only indies can bring the Magick back.

>>715951792
Fantasian

>>715951413
is this real

>>715951772
You couldn't read the rest of the post? You weren't being asked a question.

>>715951497
>Delaying your sister getting money
Evil. That shit is even more fucked up with women because at some point they can't have kids. So your sister could have been independent by 18 but your parents made sure she wasted 5 years plus some more months/years trying to find a job related to it, by then your sister would be in her late 20s, and she would still need to save money, then if she has kids by the time she wants to have a second kid it would be too risky

>>715951413
Splatroon shill please

>>715949393
>but without Nikke/Blue Archive characters
Holy shit how absolute garbage can one man's taste be? I don't like either your fucking flat board lolis or utterly grotesque looking sows as in Nikke. For most men, Kuro makes the more attractive females than your two garbage franchises.

>>715952020
Ok shill
>Kuro needed to pay Arknights fujos to draw art for some event

FF9 was the last good final fantasy game. FF10 was pretty, but flawed.

>>715951957
Yeah sorry just noticed lol

>>715945826
>12 bad
>15 good

>>715946394
Persona is an interesting case. When p5 came millennials were young and zoomers were impressionable kids. Gacha wasn't as popular back then either

>>715951150
This, every single adult in my life, even GenX, told me that I would be a failure of a person if I never went to college so I did exactly that, I got a degree in CS and then I've been jumping between jobs for the last 7ish years of my life thanks to layoffs, bankruptcies, not earning enough to stay alive, etc. My dad kicked me out at 20 years old and now he wonders why I barely talk to him anymore when HE was the one that gave me the ultimatum of "go and get a degree or your dead to me" when I was 19.

Every time I looked at a blue collar job application I feel like I get this knot in my stomach even tough I know that it's the best decision now that AI is fucking me sideways, it's like the specter of the previous generation(s) is still haunting me even though I know that the only thing they are whispering in my ears are lies and retardation or early onset dementia.

>>715945469 (OP)
>fire ethics department
>fire Yoshida and all of CBU3
>hire GAMFS N to make the next mainline ff
There, saved your shitty nip company

>>715952141
>>715951963
College is bad because of this, you end up losing your youth. My uncle is a plumber and he never taught shit to any of his THREE sons. Now his sons are virgin and old.
I never understood the working at 15 being le bad, I rather made some work and learn basic construction/plumber skills over spending hours sitting and rotting in classrooms
The le slave cuck mentality is shit too. My grandad big house was made by his father and his brothers. Every man had a neughbour/friend to help too. My other grandfather lives like a king because he married his daughter to some rich guy.
Meanwhile we are supposed to be sitting in some office and rely on thirdworlders to build shit
Being born after the cucked generation is the biggest curse I swear, I want to do shit and have strong kids to build things together, not that cuck fantasy of having sweating black men working your fields (if they work at all)

>>715952141
Hadn't even considered AI yet, shit's fucked. Strange world

>>715952225
Coomer games don't sell as much, bd2 doesnt even do that good

>>715945469 (OP)
>as weebshit becomes more and more popular with the youth make your series more and more western
they're retarded

>>715952020
Wuwa girls have the same personality and are boring

>>715946898
Squeenix, like Ubisoft, seem to still survive only because of their past momentum. They keep having bad business decision for decade now but still ride their younger days fame.

It's a wonder both still are in business.

>>715952937
Because saga, dq as well as other small games like paranormasight are great
Their merch still sells

>>715945469 (OP)
I'm 30 and we had an N64 as a kid, so outside of the PS1 era where you might have been 5/6 Final Fantasy has never really been that big a deal in my lifetime. 10, 12, 13 were all known about but nothing that the average gamer was really interested in.

>>715945469 (OP)
Final Fellatio is the only good one

>>715947034
They don't get Westerner like Japanese games because of their uniqueness, like the Yakuza franchise (Sega desperately tried to westernized for their new found audience). Squeenix should let Final Fantasy be a japanese game, and Westerner would flock to it like back in the days.

>>715945469 (OP)

>>715950178
There's been a pretty big demographic/cultural shift in kpop, where it used to be a lot of the girl groups had a significant portion of the fans being men nowadays it's a bunch of shrill teenage girls complaining about men oggling the idols.

I guess it's similar to the yuri audience killing a lot of fanbases. Men are basically considered lecherous creeps if they like Le Sserafim unless they're outwardly gay.

I don't like where this FF thread has gone

>>715953098
Hmm
>>715950260

>>715945469 (OP)
A Dragon Age 1 clone with character creation, choices and multiple endings, and fuckable party members would sell millions. It will never get made because of Tracy Fullertroon and his radfems running the ethics department.

>>715953187
I guess faggots keep them to themselves? Yuri trans are mostly creepy old guys wearing dresses

>>715950431
>Millennials biggest mistake was believing in boomers and teachers.
I certainly did not, but I'm a younger millennial ('95.) My boomer grandparents pissed away millions of dollars at casinos and buying RVs while my gen-x parents barely made ends meet. They were too broke to pay for car insurance when I was 16 so I didn't even think about going to college and didn't get my license until I was 23-24.

The failure to launch shit has been going on ever since 2008.

>>715953098
Grifters will jump to the praise ff boat as soon as square enix stops being retarded kek

the PS2 entries killed it's cool factor, as far as normies are concerned. People don't realise just how long ago FF lost it.
Insisting on full voice acting an realistic character models is what does it. It crosses the cringe barrier when paired with the anime stuff. It's like everyone is a cosplayer.
The cute and caricatured graphics and storybook tone of the earlier ones have far more mass appeal. Notice how younger people probably have a greater affection for Runescape or Maple Story than they do FF?

>>715945826
>calling 13 bad while also calling 15 good

>>715945826
>13 is bad.
but it has Lightning, the strongest heroine?

>>715953426
>full voice acting an realistic character models is what does it
I mean, its the reason why expedition 33 is more recognized over all those weeb jrpgs they released

>>715945469 (OP)
I'm 44 and I do care only about the original VI-VII-IX and Tactics
Modern slop or their stupid remake or remaster do not entice me.

Square-ENIX loves to overcomplicate things, they are stuck searching for this magical gameplay & art direction template that will save them. Meanwhile all they have to do is consistently release 7-8/10 rated games every 2-4 years.

>>715953426
FF will always be telenovela cringe kino and as soon as they listened to hipster it was a mistake, see ff12

>>715947916
The issue is about them still wanting to be AAA in graphics, They could have have compromised and found creative way to bring the whole experience to modern standard without going full "realistic" on every aspects. They decide the only way to sell well was to be cinematic, they didn't have to do that this way.

For example their openworld was pretty boring, beauty but boring. An over world could have been way better and cut cost, but it requires ball and a bit of creativity, something they seems to lack from decades now.

>>715950431
Boomers just see young people "obsessed with their phones" and think they're having fun, when actually everyone is struggling with addiction, and we wish we could go back.

>>715945469 (OP)
CRPGs like Pathfinder and Fallout let me fuck or kill off party members and genocide quest NPCs. Which FF does that?

>>715945469 (OP)
It's the Roman numerals scaring away the young people.

>>715953480
E33 toned down the anime cringe, by being French as fuck, and having an actual adult as the player character. That's a little different.

>>715945469 (OP)
>peaked in the 90s
>"why are the fans so old?"

It's a mystery. Hey, I saw a lot of grey hair at the Metallica concert too, I wonder what's up with that.

>>715953626
>an actual adult as the player characte
Japanese seem to dislike this
see
Legend of Dragoon
Shadow Hearts
Lost Odyssey
All of these abovementioned are more fondly remembered overseas and in Japan they weren't even a blip on the radar.

>>715953292
It's a secret data mining thread. If you see any thread mentioning age, just avoid it. Some marketing agency is 100% trying to obtain demographic information.

>>715953626
>He wants to play as a old man

>>715951091
>why didn't millenials just pick a job like linecook
lol, there was competition out the ass for the shittiest jobs, you're not fooling anyone pretending it's not 1000x worse now. You're just dumb enough to take worse pay for an even worse job or a thirdie. Have fun getting Mr. Sheckleberg his fifteenth jet

>>715953475
At least Lightning was fuckable. I can't believe they let the same thing happen again only this time with an ugly trooncat. SE needs to hire tardwranglers.

>>715953814
>the same thing
Lightning was great, not just fuckable in off model art

>>715953336
Dragon Age 1 sucked. Boring RTWP slop combat, shit music, ugly characters.
Final Fabtasy X still has the best compromise between fantasy and reality. Realistic looking characters without looking like a LARP group like BG3.

>>715953674
>>715953098
Jesus someone is still mad at ff. Are they tendies?

>>715953426
>FF IS BAD BECAUSE LE ANIME CRINGE
you are the exact type of parasite square has been trying to pander to for decades, you fucking phil fish types killed the series, fuck you.

>>715953745
Everyone who play these games are like 35+, that why they want old ass protags. Zoomers and Alpha only play online multiplayers with lootboxes, gacha, smartphone games and whatever flavor of the month streamers shill. Sales across the board for AAA games are way down and made worse by higher prices.

>>715953978
Nintendo and fans always wanted for ff to be bought
Like they said above journos are paid to barely talk about nintendo competition (for example no terraria mogging Zelda or sonic outselling some mario). They still never got over ff7 ps1 so they will attack ff while its still at it lowest

>>715949060
man, you're a complete fucking retard. it's x-gen slightly grabbing power as boomers turn nearly 90 and have dementia. x-gen loser retards didn't spend their whole life kissing boomer ass to be skipped over.

it's so strange you mentally retard zoomers born from x-gen losers think millennials have power

millennial when their parents(boomers)have power
>boomers have complete control and won't release any of it
zoomer retard when their faggot x-gen parents have power
>millennial writing amirite guys? haha those millennial in power. my retard faggot parents have power? no way they're complete dumbass losers! how could they have influence. my worthless fucking piece of shit x-gen loser parents couldn't never have power! it has to be millennial

>>715954043
Do they? “I am old, therefore I must play as old” seems to be an Anglo exclusive phenomenon. Japan, meanwhile, celebrates the beauty of youth more. Maybe this is a reason as to why their culture is so much more appealing to human beings.

>>715954061
I noticed a lot of journos refuse to talk about some indies despite being so popular. I guess snoy and nintendo really control those

>>715953959
you say that probably because you were an easily impressionable child when you played it but Lulu is the most out of place character in the franchise. She did not belong there.

>>715954101
>yeah we just skipped straight over gen x millennials fucked it all up
hmmmm who would push this narrative, truly a mystery

>>715954013
When people shit on anime cringe its directed at cookie cutter shit tier such generic light novel #99999 tropes
You think the 80-90s vhs, laser disc boom would have happened if it looked like this?

>>715948554
the rot runs deep

>>715953392
It's all about luck dude. I wish everyday my aunt married any other guy over my stupid uncle, he convinced my grandpa to sell a fucking manor for quick bucks (the guy who bought it must still fucking laughing at my granpa retardation), he sold the manor for REALLY cheap to sell it asap to please my uncle (my grandpa is so obsessed in pleasing my uncle he and his wife even lost their sons love because their son (the only based uncle) was tired of my grandpas constantly trying to please my retarded uncle over their own son.
So yeah, we lost the manor.
My other uncle also stole my other granparents assets when they died so yeah I get nothing kek
Now my grandparents tried to reach me because they are getting old and my grandpa is becoming blind but fuck them, I only focus on myself and people I care about
Seriously, you will never get such a disgusting asslicking as my grandparents with my retarded uncle

>>715954131
The one constantly posting screencaps of those articles is likely the journo itself.
None reads dead online magazines anymore

>>715954260
it's zoom retards born from x-gen losers. even their own kids think their faggot x-gen parents are such pathetic losers they don't hold any power. lmao x-gen and their kids are a waste of oxygen.

i know some x-gen pieces of shit try to push the blame on millennials but they do it in other ways. x-gen pieces of shit like to pretend they weren't the teachers pushing lgbt onto millennials and hollywerido subhumans pushing it on television. their retard kids zoomers just directly say millennials control everything. so brain dead.

>>715947771
17 will be an Ishikawa-written Genshin clone released 5 years too late, that'll EOS in less than 3 weeks like every other Square kusoge

>>715951775
Yeah it's stupid, if you're aiming for teenager you can't sell one when they're 12 and wait they turn 18 for the sequel.

Back in the days it's was every other years. I can get behind 3 years between title but more is just stupid. The same things happening with Bethesda.

I thing the main issue is that every publisher have an arm race to be the big AAA everyone will buy for years so they have to be on top on every level especially graphics, when people just want a fun adventure with good story beat and be lost in a fantasy. They did that in a year back then, and now can't budget theirs products accordingly in fear to be "irrelevant" by fake metrics no one care bout in the first place.

Honestly I'll prefer their cut their team in half and make an half budgeted game with each rather than a boring mastodon without any originality with a burnout team.

>>715953714
fondly remembered not by many in the West either because they all flopped.

>>715954306
No it’s not and you know that, or else you clearly weren’t there. Fuck off. You think Phil Fish was defending true otaku and only shutting on low effort isekai?
It’s about the ideas themselves. They shit on anime stuff even when it’s well executed because they hate the ideas themselves.
Don’t equate shitting on light novels for being cheap ripoffs with whining about Advent Children because Cloud has an androgynous face.

>>715954215
Not really. Her design is good and brings balance to the team. Lulu, Rikku, and Yuna all have different feminine appeals that makes them all stand out and have their own space on the team. It was very well done.

>>715954448
>3 comments
Kek, makes sense

>>715954115
It's because in Japan your life is literally over once you graduate high school and become a 70 hour a week no paid overtime salari man
The reason why there is nothing but young protags is cater to those wagies and reminisce about their glory days
See - persona

>>715954361
My boomer grandparents sold a large trailer park that belonged to my great grandparents in an oil boom city for absolute pennies during a downturn in the early 00s. Would've loved to have kept it in the family and managed it for them.


It's really amazing how much that generation had and still has to piss away and ensure their family gets nothing.

I find it a little ironic. This seems like a self inflicted problem by the current state of the gaming industry.
Its all about "capturing an audience", the problem is that once you capture it, it will not move on.
In the olden times, you played trough a game, and moved on, bought/rented the next game. That would just naturally introduce fresh blood into the genres.
Now, whatever is popular gets new blood, and is then stuck with that audience for the next decades.

>>715953480
You guys keep bringing up E33 as if it were relevant when the game sold less than FF16 and over half of its sales were from China alone, nobody else really liked this game.

>>715953475
Lightning and Sera are the only good parts of 13. 2 sexy ladies isn't enough to carry the whole game.

>>715954632
Jesus it’s 2014 all over again. You think people would have moved on from this crap and got better talking points.

>>715954361
Honestly the smartest, luckiest millennials were those who Jumped onto the youtube thing when youtube was new
Now the millennials jumping late are all bald and too much ragebaiting
They wish they were like Markiplier and piediepie

do you think square enix is constantly afraid of that one day everyone will just suddenly stop caring about final fantasy

>>715945469 (OP)
If you were 10 when FF7 came out you're 38 now. FF has failed to attract a new audience for almost 30 years.

>>715954537
Nobody except /v/ still talks about Phil Fish, anyway he was wrong on a fundamental level because most shitty japanese games of that era were outsourced to western developers.
Anyways to get to the point at hand, let's take FF7 since you mentioned it.
Compare Zacks demise in the OG with the revised one in Crisis Core.
The latter is what doesn't fly in the overseas.

>>715954675
>2 sexy ladies isn't enough to carry the whole game.
it's enough to carry 3

>>715954646
Damn now those are expensive as fuck. I remember when before the poor ones would just buy a RV and even those are expensive as shit now (plus immigrants raping you)
Yeah that generation is fucking cursed, even the nicest millennial I know will abandon their parents in some nurse shithole at some point.

Seriously I loved swimming in my pool, play in the massive garden, explore the house. My retarded grandpa even sold the entire thing without even letting us get our clothes and more out, I even lost my megadrive and snes with a few games
Shit is fucking bizarre.

>>715945826
>the title that did lasting damage to the franchise is good
kek, if anything XVI brought in new people because the characters are likeable, if underutilized

>>715954726
People can't stop talking about ff
Every jrpg is compared to ff, not DQXI, Persona, octopath or metaphor
This hiding constantly behind ff is just cope from other jrpgs losing relevance thanks to gacha

>>715954361
>dad who had done pretty damn well for himself uses POA to block me getting shit from grandmother because it wasn't in writing
And it genuinely baffles people as to why he has never tried to get in contact with me since lol, I would give what's left of my shitty life to drag him down to hell personally

>>715945826
Most subtle barry post

>>715950983
>Say what you want about Nomura but he got screwed.
No he didn't. He fucked around way too long with FF15. Instead of focusing time and company funds to make a game he was using company money to pursue vanity projects such as creating new clothing lines for extremely expensive fashion brands. If anything Square Enix was too lenient with him. Now, I do think that had Nomura just stuck with the program he would've made the superior game. But he chose not to.

>>715946161
No one wants realistic graphics with FF. They cut their own throat on a perceived expectation.

>>715954780
This has nothing to do with "anime cringe", just because something is badly executed doesn't make it "anime". I really hate the genre of person who talks about how "cringe" anime and jrpgs are, when their favorite game is FF7, one of the most chuuni mainstream works out there. They've tied themselves into a pretzel, its the same thing as the self hating moe fans.
>oooh i wish i could like this fanservice anime but the fanservice oooh the fanservice waah
Also Phil Fish is still hugely influential, see Yoship shaking in his boots in an interview about "jrpg being a slur" Phil Fish started that, these developers are so scared of being labeled as "anime cringe" that they create bitter lifeless worlds like XVI. You liek? Its the gritty dark unsexy FF you all wanted!
The two most successful FFs by far are VII and X. That should tell you something about how the overseas market thinks about chuuni stuff. VII Anthology failed because people don't care about the VII universe as much as Square thinks. XIII failed because the gameplay is bad and there's zero exploration until 25 hours in. It has nothing to do with it being "too anime", as much as the SA posters would like you to think otherwise.

>>715945469 (OP)
Cids new VA sucks ass and sounds terrible.
not as bad as nu-tifa but still pretty bad.
then there's Matt Mercer playing Vincent but sounding like Matt Mercer as he does in every fucking role.

Fuck the tranny demake project.

>>715954726
Yoshida guy gets more threads than 95% of jrpgs

>>715954013
Square doesn't understand how to not make their games anime cringe. that doesn't mean I'm wrong.
Yes, 16 was anime cringe as fuck.

The fact is that full priced titles are pandering to older gamers. Gen Alpha are all growing up with F2P games like Roblox and Fortnite. If you look at the survey, Genshin impact alone is extremely massive and it has already entrenched itself as the game that every child is growing up with. Why spend $70 on a new FF when Genshin literally has thousands of hours of content for free?

>>715954892
Sorry to hear that anon, boomer parents are so shit

>>715954537
Arguing with the demons in your head?

>>715954825
>kek, if anything XVI brought in new people because the characters are likeable, if underutilized

FFXVI is the the lowest selling mainline FF since before PS1. It either didn't bring in new people , or what new people it did bring in were far lower than the millions of the players lost.

>>715955046
>>715955178
They still make jrpgs like that but people don't talk about those
People wants graphics, the rest is just denial

>>715953745
Like 27, at an absolute minimum, yeah. I don't aspire to be an emaciated twink.

>>715955189
Genshin is still mogging zelda hard

>>715951304
I don't think he'd make it on his own. I like Nomura, I think he's a fantastic character/monster designer, but he doesn't really have any big hits that are entirely his own. His biggest claim to fame is a Disney game with anime sprinkled in. It'd be fun to see him do something 100% original without having to rely on FF or Disney or anyone else's properties.

It's not that surprising. Most zoomers I know only play COD/FIFA/Fortnite. The gen alpha only plays shit like Roblox/Fornite/Fifa. You literally cannot talk video games with them even if that's what they do all day. They just play the same games over and over again.

>>715955239
Like Bravery Default, which is pretty well received for a handheld focused series, and seems to keep getting sequels and re-releases?
Seems to me that that's what FF should be.

>>715954726
They've done pretty well with making people not care about FF with what they did to the franchise with FF14 Dawntrail,FF16 and FFRremake/ Rebirth.

>>715955349
Disney is Nomura's curse, he is forever trapped making kh games when he clearly wanted to make verum rex

>>715955386
Like bd2? People still compare jrpgs to FF for a reason

>>715945826
nobody young decides to jump into a franchise by starting at like 13th or 16th iteration of the game

>>715955386
Literally jrpg are getting mogged by western rpgs dude, see expedition 33 and baldurs gate 3. Jrpg devs need to stay chibi because their games sell 3 millions at most. See xenoblade 3 despite not being chibi and spending a lot of money in open world, voices and animation they can barely break 2 millions
Jrpg fandom is just full of dishonest snobs and can't be trusted to make an expensive project

>>715955178
XVI is the worst of both worlds because it tries to present itself as grim, dark, boring and it just turns into a save the world plot at the end, god it sucked so much.
the fact the mother crystals are just copied primals (THEY DRAIN THE EARTH WE GOTTA PROTECT THE PLANET CLIVE) such dogshit, no inspiration. And the ending with magic being gone from the setting man that was fucking done better in XIII as well with the end of Cocoon.
XVI is really just XIII but less interesting and more retarded, man what a fucking mess.

>>715955471
Young people know ff games can be played in any order
It's just that they can't discuss a turn based jrpg multiplatform day one and zoomers will be 30+s when ff7r ends, and even ff7r is just retelling the same fucking story but wayyy slower

>>715955129
It's more the specific kind of cringe when you take anime, with all of the tropes, and over the top voice acting, and then you make everyone look like a real ass human being. It induces a very particular kind of cringe.

It's literally this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci8dIpNcyEY
Whereas if I'm going to watch anime, I want it to look like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aen2v31UjqA
See the distinction?

JRPG lost plenty of fans to gacha

>>715955196
Having possibly the highest functioning alcoholic/drug addict in our history for a father was not the best roll I could have made. It is what it is, sucks to suck.

>>715945469 (OP)
>>715945494
XVI was made for tryhard fake toughguy manchildren oldcels

>>715955612
No. And again, given that Final Fantasy X, with its realistic graphics, extreme chuuni plot, and over the top voice acting, is one of the highest selling and most beloved games in the franchise, you and your band of transgender goons seems to be in the minority. Tough shit.

>>715955796
It was also an early PS2 title.
Definitely didn't retain a lot of fans. People remember it as the one that wasn't as good as 7. They remember 12 through 16 as the ones they didn't play.

>>715955612
Hell no, let ff be cringe telenovela

Atlus have been mogging squealix since the ps2

>>715955796
>and over the top voice acting
What do you mean the voice acting was really good for 2001.

>>715945469 (OP)
That's what happens when you release mainline games once a decade.

Arent most jrpg forgotten now? People stopped giving a fuck about metaphor and went back about muh ff

>>715955851
I have Yakuza for that. FF should be a charming magical story book game, with cute little characters that animate in fun ways.

>>715955842
>Definitely didn't retain a lot of fans.
delusional and retarded

>>715950252
All their games would be incredible if they could get them made. It's so weird seeing a company succeed on coming up with creative new visions and fail to deliver because they can't make production spreadsheets.

>>715955842
no they don't now you're literally just making shit up lmao, anything to stay in your fantasy world
continue to complain about "anime cringe" while liking FF7 and Chrono Trigger ig LOL

>>715955870
im just using his terms, the voice acting for FFX still holds up today, especially considering they had to work with japanese lip flaps. I'm a sub purist though in all things but for being forced dub FFX is not bad at all, certainly.

>>715955853
Atlus is trapped in long remakes development hells and zooms zooms are going to be old when P6 releases

>>715955954
Ask people what their favourite FF is, and it's going to be one on the SNES, or one on the PS1. X is exactly when it started to fall off.

>>715955947
You have SaGa, Octopath, bravely default and fantasian for that and people don't talk about those
If Expedition 33 was chibi it wouldnt be as popular

>>715947508
Patch fucked black mage rotations. I'm never going back.

>>715956004
completely wrong again LMAO, im sorry you had to find out this way

>>715955968
Everyone I have ever spoken to about 10 said it wasn't as good as 7, and a lot of people are just flat out put off by how gay everyone looks.
You don't understand how much of a bubble hardcore JRPG fans live in.

>>715956004
Nta but 7 and 10 are always the most popular picks. FFX intro is still spectacular to this day

>>715955596
FFXVI fails to deliver the alleged mature story. The game starts with a political meeting implying there will be intrigue, Benedikta is obviously set up to be Waloeds femme fatale manipulator. Then the game starts she dies pretty much instantly and well that's that

>>715956094
You are just coping kek. Yuna and Tidus are still popular, people fap to Rikku and find Auron cool

>>715956094
idc about what you and your 5 transgender goon friends think about 10, the fact is that final fantasy fans really like it and its beloved. it was rated highly and sold well. you're the one who lives in a bubble.

>>715956086
Did they ask fanatics, or normies?

>>715947192
It's risky, but there was no other way to get it done. And they're definitely hoping there will an influx of sales once the trilogy is complete and they can rerelease bundles and special editions.
The real problem is not doing a trilogy, but doing a trilogy where each part takes half a fucking decade to make. These should've been 2 years inbetween max.

>>715956094
Even my normie friends who never touched a jrpg loved it

>>715956150
over 450,000 votes were cast on national japanese television so you tell me einstein

Square is fucked when both FFVIIR Part 3 and KH4 bomb.

>>715955947
>cute little characters
Don't overestimate the popularity outside of japan.
This would be offputting for a lot of people.
Hard to take a story seriously when its chibi shit and that's what people play them for above all.

>>715956141
>FF fans
Who are aging, while the series fails to pick up new people. Which was the entire topic of the thread.
Not the case for Undertale, is it?

>>715956150
>I-it doesn't count
It's like when you cope pretending ps1 and ps2 were never popular

>>715956004
>if someone doesnt say it's their favorite they dont like it
I will refer you back to my previous post
>>715955954

>>715956201
Arent undertale delta threads being deleted because of tendie mods? So if they are popular again mods will just delete the threads

>>715956195
Yeah, people HATE Animal Crossing and Undertale. Persona is not the current most popular JRPG, specifically because it's highly stylized, and has a fun tone.

>>715956201
>while the series fails to pick up new people
gee i wonder why that is. must be because of the "anime cringe" and not the 50 other reasons that have been talked to death already in this thread. fucking idiot.

>Why do people not like FF anymore
I don't know man, maybe because they're so out of touch they would create a character called Wuk Lamat that is meant to be some latino style south American themed teen princess but voiced in English by a white American 40 year old man who only spoke about 'peace, happiness, and smiles' 300 fucking times.

>>715956141
> the fact is that final fantasy fans really like it and its beloved
Not that guy and neither do I deny FFX being one of the most popular entries. But there are regional differences for example FF8 was extremely successful in europe only selling 500K less than it did in NA keep in mind this is late 90s Europe also where only the countries in the western bloc had money for games.

>>715956252
That has nothing to do with anything?

>>715946540
Ironically, games sticking to the Wizardry formula have only gotten more complex while FF has become simpler than DQ.

>>715956312
I don't doubt FFX being more popular in Japan than in America, it would be interesting to see a regional breakdown for all the games. If I had to guess the west's tastes I would say it wouldn't be that different from Japan, given other polls. Probably VII at the top and X at second place.

>>715956279
Yes, it's because the series is cringe. The masses don't want to play as a teen boy-band, going on a big gay adventure.
Full anime like Persona doesn't induce the same cringe response, because it looks like a cartoon, and has that disconnect from reality.
It doesn't look like real ass people in stupid costumes, being embarrassing.

>>715948135
They have a bunch o remakes and reimagines to do still

>>715956184
I imagine dq12 will do well either way

>>715956276
Animal crossing is not a jrpg and thus not relevant.
People don't play that to get immersed in the universe.
Persona 5 + royal did good. I'll give you that.
Now look at the sales of FF8 wich destroys it.
People look for a specific type of game and look.
FF16 is a good game for example but if people wanted devil may cry they would have bought that instead.

>>715949035
>at least they can be an upscale version of Thailand
hh how the Yamato have fallen

>>715956184
>Kh4

There's a 4th one coming out?

>>715956294
let's be honest this the only reason FF managed to reach the highest it did in the west

>>715955717
It didn't try hard enough, lol.
Game starts having cracks right after the intro and falls apart after Cid's gone.

>>715956463
FF8 is blocky PS1 graphics, and no voice acting. It still doesn't feel like real people.

>>715945469 (OP)
>nooo every ip that ever exists must be constantly changed to appeal to 14 year olds or we'll DIE because the only market we know is the physical toy market of the 90s (which no longer exists and which we are not a part of)
retard shit
i think companies who make products for an audience, who then change that product to try and appeal to someone else whilst being sure the previous audience will buy it anyway, should be hanged in the public square on weekends as entertainment and a day out for the public
make games that cater to that audience and they will sell to that audience. make games that do not cater to that audience, that audience will not buy them (big surprise). if you want a new audience, make a new ip. or stop dreaming because you're never pulling in roblox and fortnite players GET THE FUCK OVER IT ALREADY

>>715956428
XVI pandered so hard to people like you and it still flopped anyway, oops. And while rebirth was no heavy hitter it certainly did better and reviewed more favorably than XVI, and rebirth is full on realistic mixed with fantastical costumes.
This hyper specific "cringe" fetish you keep bringing up was exclusive to the SA forums and its remnants. It doesn't represent reality at all.

Wuk always reminded me of esteban winsmore. "One day I will own this continent"

>>715945469 (OP)
everyone knows FF is a boomer franchise
they haven't succeeded in on-boarding zoomers, so Atlus/Persona has pretty much stolen their potential audience
interesting to think that FF will likely continue to exist, but will probably scale back production and budgets since it isn't gaining many new fans

>>715956463
It looked absolutely amazing when it released anon.
That's just how realistic it could be due to the technological limitations of the ps1.
Square was famed for its visual quality.

>>715956463
P5 is not chibi

>>715956551
It looked absolutely amazing when it released anon.
That's just how realistic it could be due to the technological limitations of the ps1.
Square was famed for its visual quality.

>ffx was more than 20 years ago
Wew talk about branding. Not a single good video game since that and this shitass company still has fans.

>weebcucks coping
You ever see people talking about any dragon quest character? Or saga character? No, people talk about Verso and Maelle more than all those other jrpgs combined
Expedition is the only rpg that taught FF their old formula.

>>715956645
Never understand this thought process. If anything the jrpg audience has just scattered all over the place with smaller franchises but none capture the crowd as a whole. The only persona game doing any numbers even close to FF is P5, the rest is doing a fraction

>>715956675
I was not argueing for it to be it.
Anon was talking about the stylized aspect of p5.
Just gave an example of how it didn't do better at all vs a game that had to be sold to a much smaller potential audicience at the time.

pushing 40 here never wanted to watch game of thrones or any of that but I enjoyed 16 and grew up with the snes ps1 era games. Why is there such disdain for 16 outside of the shallow combat? Did it rip off GoT that badly? The gay shit?

I don't really think modern youths really have the patience for such narratively driven Japanese games. I mean it's no secret that a lot of westerners have a great deal of disdain for Japanese writing, and I think there just aren't as many people willing to endure an 80-hour game of that kind of thing. Why do you think Expedition 33 did so much better than most modern JRPGs? It's because it's not Japanese. People don't have to have a layer of irony whenever they praise it.

I'm not saying that there aren't a decent chunk of people who enjoy Japanese games. But even on this board, there are daily threads of people treating Japanese writing with scorn. People have become increasingly critical of Japanese writing, tropes, dialogue and culture. People are just less tolerant of Japan in general these days. And it's even worse when Japan actively tries to cater to the west. Not only do they lose the spark that made them stand out in the first place, but the west rarely appreciates it when Japan attempts to cater to them.

>>715956623
XVI needed to pick a side. Because I played it, and it was STILL too anime.
If I want to play Dark Souls, I can play Dark Souls, which I do, because it's cooler.
Either be cool, gritty, real mature fantasy, or be Wind Waker. I honestly can go either way. You don't get to have both though.

>>715956823
Pretty much
Like another anon said this is just other jrpg fans allied to derail to ff when their own games are getting fucked by western and gacha games

>>715956720
It still doesn't look like real life. I played it in the 90's too.

Just make a FF game where you fuck the girls from 1 all the way to 16.
Boom. Square is saved.

>>715956823
This is specially true, every jrpg is the greatest shit in FF threads but then those jrpgs never get threads or get tons of haters in their own threads

>>715945469 (OP)
Nomura just needs to finally be allowed to make his Versus XIII, that’ll revive the FF brand.

>>715951091
Boomers are the most easy to brainwash population and all of them ate the "go to college and you will be rich in two weeks" so instead of teaching their kids something useful they made them go to college no matter what.

>>715956890
Japan's just kind of in a sad place where the west is no longer as appreciative of them as they used to be, but since the western market still make up a massive chunk of their profits, they're between a rock and a hard place. As disdain towards Japan increasingly piles up, companies like Squeenix, who are especially reliant on heavily narrative-driven titles, suffer the most.

Of course, a lot of Squeenix's failures are their own fault, and I'm not trying to shift the blame. But it's obvious that the modern market wouldn't appreciate them as much as they used to either way.

>>715956819
FF16 is nothing like GoT, its more like generic cookie cutter story that stole Matsuno esque visuals and that's.
I don't know what the fuck Yoshida read or watches but it sure as hell wasn't A song of ice and fire

>>715956836
perhaps you should accept that this franchise isn't for you and stop trying to turn it into something its not. dragon quest is the perfect series for what you seems to be looking for, its very fairy tale like.
>b-but muh OLD FFS
FF1 has a timeloop plot in fucking 1987, with androgynous characters that wore lipstick, it was always like this.

>>715945469 (OP)
Final Fantasy's brand was built on single-player RPG's, but they ruined it when they started making MMOs

>>715956836
Play something else.

>>715956819
>Did it rip off GoT that badly?
GoT fucking sucks and is trash anti-fantasy propaganda
Of course making your fantasy game anti-fantasy is not going to go down well

>>715956819
Pushing 40 here. 16 is a piece of shit. Terrible action combat that's not even on par with DMC 1 and terrible, barely-existant RPG mechanics. The plot is garbage too with marvel transformations and random sex scenes.

>>715945469 (OP)
That's what happens when your games have been garbage for twenty fucking years straight.

>>715945826
No, 15 is dogshit, too. Absolute travesty of a game. Worst of the bunch, even. The best game on this list is 12 and it's still dogshit because the gameplay sucks. Shame because literally everything else about 12 was great. Offline MMOs were a mistake.

>>715956823
The problem with Japanese writing is they really will just crank out the same thing a thousand times, and expect you to still be as impressed with it as you were the first time.
The West goes through fads. No one really does space marines anymore. No one really does the urban gangster stuff anymore. No one does 00's edgelords anymore. The Game of Thrones stuff is just about exhausted. Super spies have basically been out since the 90's, but will maybe make a comeback with the new Bond?

Now to be fair, I also place a lot of blame on localisation, because those people really got it into their heads that they need the same voice actors, giving the same deliveries, on absolutely everyting.
Again, it's the Breaking Bad meme.

>>715957232
its barry dude, this jeet always tries to sneak in some kind of FFXV was good narrative.

I... like XIII-2.

>>715956823
>>715956890
>>715956968
>>715957041
i don't believe this at all. anime is more popular than ever these days, my normalfag coworkers constantly talk about one piece. the success of something like bg3 was because of gameplay, not aesthetics.

>>715956823
I feel like Verum Rex had that global/japanese appeal but they won't let Nomura ever make it, despite being a new brand game with appealing aesthetics and tons of aesthetic bait for artists and chuuni for zoomers (plus nostalgia for versusfags)
I hope KH4 flops but even then people will be too old for verum rex

>>715957076
I've literally been arguing FF needs to go back to the style of FF. You know, the SNES and PS1 games. The iconic ones.
>FF1 has a timeloop plot in fucking 1987, with androgynous characters that wore lipstick, it was always like this.
That has nothing to do with anything. They don't look like real people.

Put that art of yours through an AI, and tell it to make it a real human being, and you'll understand why it looks like shit.

>>715957315
This. Anime is more popular than ever. Everyone in the world have flocked to anime, k-drama and other asian medias for their entertainment due to how awful western media has been for the past decade or two. Blaming anime is just a lame excuse.

>>715957076
I wish we could have a game in this style

>>715957307
Same, it's underrated as fuck

>>715957150
I did. I played Elden Ring, and Persona 5.

>>715957315
Anime is more popular than ever, but Western Critics have gone mask off with their hatred of Japanese tropes in games.

>>715957352
Amano art/cgi with amano looked real back then
>It looks like shit
Flamboyant fantasy is popular, you hipsters contrarians just want everything to be as bland as boring as 12/16

thread full of cope when the cause is japan not having enough kids

>>715957315
I mean western tv is fucking cringe and for cucks, it's less embarrassing to talk about anime now

>>715957352
they've made the FF1 warrior in the realistic style before, you retard. it looks fine. you just have SA psychosis.
but then again you think FF7 isn't "anime cringe" despite having a hyper chuuni plotline so you were never the brightest poster

>>715957456
this too

>>715945826
>11
good
>12
really good

>13
underrated

>14
really good

>15
good

>16
also good

FF has no bad games except maybe FF2/3

>>715957315
>>715957387
It's still true that the west has become deeply critical of Japanese games. Anime doesn't seem to get that same degree of scrutiny.

>>715957456
I didn't say it shouldn't be flamboyant. You're having a conversation with yourself.
It should be flamboyant, while not looking like a bunch of real ass people in cosplay.

>>715957492
Popular culture has hit rock bottom worldwide.

>>715957352
>The iconic ones.
still can't accept that X sold more and is more fondly remembered than any of the SNES and PS1 games sans VII huh? lol

>>715957521
>>715957456
I agree, aesthetic and beautiful is extremely popular and is free advertising from female artists

>>715957392
an FF6 remake in that style would go very hard

Reminder the median age in Japan is 50 year old. Only 11% of the population is 15 or younger.
It's an old people country. Those numbers are nowhere near surprising. Short of outright Teletubbies the average/median age of fans won't ever be lower than 20 and anything with an adult in the cast is guaranteed >35. See >>715948427

>>715957521
I have never posted on SA in my entire life.
My entire point from the start is that it's when anime clashes with real looking people that it becomes cringe, and I posted an example of an anime I like. You're having a one sided conversation.

I still can't believe E33 resembled an FF more and was $40 while FF16 was action slop with only one character.

Even more funny when the dev is an FF8 chad.

13 Trilogy was 3 masterpieces in a row, everything after X was average.

>>715957669
yeah, and im saying your line of thinking is an Anglo SA exclusive phenomenon, and that no one actually agrees with you.
most people don't find anime "clashing" with real life "cringe", you're in a strange minority. i wouldn't care except that square enix is ran by retards who think they need to cater to this minority for some reason.

>>715957584
Hence why they keep returning to 7, and not 10.

I dunno man, Japanese people are fucking stupid sometimes. Maybe they really like 10 specifically. No one I grew up with did. That was the point at which no one was talking about FF anymore.

>>715957549
The only people who are deeply critical of japanese games are western gaming journalists who spent decades of mocking how cringe japanese games are that you'd have to be around 30 years old of age to believe them and their propaganda. When you have Genshin Impact which has over 300 million active players that is unapologetically anime, there's really no excuse anymore. The younger generation do not give a shit about decades old agitprop designed to make gamers shit on japanese games.

>>715957743
moot point, because games with that kind of budget need to sell internationally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asTxh9kuEvE
>this isn't cringe

>>715957683
Lost Odyssey is a FF title hell fuck it throw in The Last Story

>>715957802
There are constant, daily demands for a dialogue skip option for Genshin.

>>715957683
>Even more funny when the dev is an FF8 chad.
8 was more successful in Europe than 7.
8s intro is still legendary

>>715957649
will probably happen sooner or later, it's on the higher priority of remakes

>>715957756
ok the people i grew up with also liked it and thought it was good. not as much as me but they had a good time and didn't "cringe" at it because it was too "gay". how's that for anecdotal evidence?
people were hopeful for the future of FF. but square floundered with a bunch of dumb decisions and EIGHT YEARS LATER they came out with another final fantasy with good characters and world but the gameplay sucked so nobody remembered it fondly.

>>715957802
Genshin Impact is a game that sells facsimiles of beautiful women to virgins with gambling addictions. It's pretty cringe.

>>715957836
i dont like western actors but hey, live action one piece was another huge success for normalfags. not to mention in japan there's a huge tradition of live action animes with this exact style and nobody thinks its "cringe" at all

>>715957965
The study in the OP shows that Genshin has a 55:45 male/female split with the female audience growing faster than the male audience.

>>715958004
My brain immediately asks "why are they wearing that dumb shit, and behaving so over the top? Who is doing their hair to keep it so perfectly sculpted like that?". It doesn't work if it isn't a cartoon.

>>715957887
i love the ending sequence, genuine emotion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA2Fh-UHqwc

>>715958087
ok good for you. the mass market doesn't care, which was what the whole argument was about. the only other ones who care are square enix devs for some reason, probably because they're super insecure

>>715957540
>FF2
>bad
Filtered retard. Of course you think 16 is good

>>715956823
I don't know if it's disdain for their writing as much as we already know a lot of the tropes they use like the back of our hands. It gets boring. The whole joke with killing god with the power of friendship. Seems like FF16 is going to be some politically intriguing plot and it's going to, oh wait, it ends with killing god with the power of friendship. Sure, tropes aren't inherently bad but if you can guess everything that's going to happen before the game even starts, why bother. With E33 no one knew what to expect so that alone makes it worth a look.

>>715945469 (OP)
>They don't look like Fantasy at all. No whimsy, no magic, no coolness, just weird japanese fashion and odd aesthetic that repels kids and teens.
>Look at the FFs that did well, and look at this. The difference is obvious.

>>715948314
To be fair you dont have to play the other games to enjoy the main games. The connection are practically cameos/easter eggs that are well explained in there so you can understand the story without palying the other games. Only xb3 dlc might have needed previous knowledge to enjoy it.

>>715957887
E33 also has a whole FF8 SeeD feeling to it too

>>715956823
>I'm not saying that there aren't a decent chunk of people who enjoy Japanese games. But even on this board, there are daily threads of people treating Japanese writing with scorn. People have become increasingly critical of Japanese writing, tropes, dialogue and culture. People are just less tolerant of Japan in general these days.
I mean, can you blame them when it’s a culture that unironically glorifies and normalizes pedophilia and incest?

>>715948427
interesting
Most manly things seem to be Dragon ball, monster hunter and yugioh. Truly the chads of /v/

>>715958583
ikr, can we get the UN and Mastercard on this?

>>715958583
go back

>>715958163
You explain why FF is drifting into irrelevancy and being replaced by Elden Ring and Persona then.

>>715955178
>Yes, 16 was anime cringe as fuck
even tho the writing sucked, the voice acting and mannerisms were actually decent by some miracle. it must have had western voice directors or something.
it's by far the least I've cringed at a modern Square game.
every time a character in 7R opens their mouth or does some awkward horribly acted mocap pose that no human would ever do I want to see them burned alive.

>>715956823
This has to be one of the most retarded posts in the history of /v/

>>715958776
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>>715957240
I think Space Marines are cool and there should be more epic sagas told about Space Marines.

>>715958431
The ones that "did well" being X and XIII, which also came early in a console generation, wowed people with visuals, but then had no pop cultural staying power, and got cucked by Demon's Souls?

>>715954115
>Maybe this is a reason as to why their culture is so much more appealing to human beings
You mean mentally ill weebs that think everyone there watch chinese cartoons?

>>715958890
maybe if you say X had no staying power one more time it will actually come true lol

>>715958808
Metaphor was an exception because of it’s whole woke racism plot that attracted the BLM crowd.

>>715958835
>uh actually it's bad because it isn't cringe ENOUGH!
Do you actually believe that?
What do you want? Femboys in cat ears?

>>715958808
delete that

>>715954115
>Japan, meanwhile, celebrates the beauty of youth more. Maybe this is a reason as to why their culture is so much more appealing to human beings.
Pedos you mean, their culture is more appealing to pedos…

>>715958808
Metaphor had woke writing which appealed to younger generation more.

>>715958938
>dude, my favorite FF character is Wakka!
This is why people campaigned to specifically get Cloud Strife and Sephiroph into Smash Bros, and no one else.

>>715959034
Wasn’t FFXVI a game literally about rising from the shackles of slavery and oppression? Guess it wasn’t race-based enough for zoomies tastes.

>the enitre thread is filled with pathetic 40 year old menchildren who whine about modern SE and balding tourist redditors who whine about Japanese anime games being Japanese and anime

Grim.

>>715959140
Pic related is cringe and drives away Western modern audiences, that’s why Expedition33 utterly mogs it.

>>715959140
Japan is a dead country, nobody cares about them anymore. Meanwhile the west is thriving everywhere.

>>715959091
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>>715959140
I watched Cardcaptor Sakura as a child, is my answer to that.

>>715958808
Nobody talks about metaphor, meanwhile expedition 33 is popular everywhere

raid right before the thread dies? weird

>>715959140
yeah they are pretty sad. the westcucks and E33fags are especially pathetic and annoying. they keep posting the same shit about Japan being le dead over and over despite it doing great and better then the west. talking to them it's like talking to litearl robot zombies

>>715946660
They were thinking they would make a good game for the first time in years.

>>715958994
want more games like XIII, but with better gameplay. if they can come up with a good catboy character idea, id be down

>>715958808
>all of those cope replies
kek. Atlus won so hard it's not even funny

>>715959212
How is Japanese people having bad taste an argument here? We're talking about why the series seems to have dropped off in relevancy.
You don't want an answer that isn't "they pandered to much to the west with XVI, and should have made it turn based", but that's clearly not the answer, because Elden Ring is the biggest game in the world.

My argument is that there was something about the early ones that had universal appeal, and that was probably rooted in the cute stylization of the SNES sprites, which then got adapted in a pretty straight forward way to 7(which is exactly where the series peaked in relevance), so they should maybe consider returning to that, or at least something closer to it.

>>715958808
>7 years development hell
>Sold less than expedition/bg3

>>715959140
Yuffie impregnation

>>715947320
Nomura is on record saying that he wishes they hadn't changed Final Fantasy VII's story in Remake/Rebirth.
This automatically makes him the most intelligent man working at Square Enix.

>>715958808
Anon please stop he's already dead

>>715959539
Who is doing their hair though?
Literally all my mind can focus on.

>>715952225
What the hell, this game has the same art style as that Touhou gacha but with the presentation of a phone ad

>>715959539
Is she still underage in the remake while Cloud is like 22 or something?

>>715959481
maybe the people who play FF and the people who play Elden Ring are not the same. fuck ur reaching with this post lol
no, i dont think X-style stylings in responsible for the series decline, given that there are other media with similar stylings that are doing well, ff games with those stylings are still beloved to this day. there are much more likely reasons for the decline, which has already been discussed in the thread. ur strange hatred of a specific aesthetic is not shared by consumers at large, sorry.
have you ever heard of occam's razor?

>>715959601
congratulations for having the same opinions as joseph anderson

>>715959609
Yeah she's 16 and Cloud is 22. I mean Yuffie is basically the best option for him because he's also 16 mentally because he spent years being a vegetable in Hojo's laboratories

>>715959481
>thing is not popular!
>ok, thing is popular, but the people who like it have bad taste!
lol

>>715959724
you are so gay

>>715959616
>maybe the people who play FF and the people who play Elden Ring are not the same
They used to be, man. FF7 was a huge game, that normalfags bought. For a lot of people it's the singular JRPG they ever played.
You don't understand, because you probably weren't there. And you have only ever experienced these things as belonging to the domain of anime clubs and underground forums, as opposed to actually being part of mass culture.

>>715959792
And people still say Squeenix is trying to pander to Westerners when they still include shit like this, and even up the shipping potential between a 16 year old Yuffie and 22 year old Cloud…

>>715959724
I have no idea who that is.

>>715959879
yes, that's been discussed. there's plenty of reasons why FF is not that anymore. """""""anime cringe""""""" is not one of those reasons, obviously, given that FF7 and FF10 are the two objectively most popular FF games and are also the two most chuuni. Maybe FF8 is slightly more chuuni

>>715959879
>You don't understand, because you probably weren't there
this is coming from the guy whose argument for why FFX actually was super unpopular was "my friends thought it was gay"
and tries to lampshade official polls with "japan has bad taste"

>>715959818
being popular in Japan specifically != being popular globally.
Japan also hates Metroid, and barely cares about the good Sonic games. Japanese people are just off the mark sometimes. I don't know what to tell you.

>>715957540
Based low standards anon

>>715960059
>every country produces shit they all hate
>Japan just happens to hate good shit

>>715960059
good thing X is just as popular in the West. Given other FF polls the tastes of japanese FF fans and western FF fans aren't that different.
your only argument for this is, "people in the west like FF7 a bit more" which ive never disputed. you are retarded. maybe you shoudn't play japanese games if you hate japan so much, just a thought.

Og ff7>ff12>Ff tactics wotl>SoP>13-2> the rest

>>715959953
It is explicitly the cringe factor of taking very anime things, and trying to drag them into the real world. You can deny it all you want, but I'm right.