Thread 715959328

What's the point of metal gear when a fucking tank can do everything a metal gear can do better and cheaper?

its cooler

>>715959328 (OP)
Tanks can't. Have you seen a tank go up a fucking mountain? What about an amphibious tank deployed from underwater? Can your tank go through muddy terrain?

>>715959594
Amd they're usually not loaded with WMDs

Metal Gear's purpose is to launch a nuke from anywhere. As a fighting unit it of course sucks because lol mecha.

>>715959675
>launch a nuke from anywhere
why?
ICBMs aren't exactly range restricted.
submarines and planes also fulfil this role.

>>715959907
Kojima insists that Metal Gear is somehow above the nuclear triad despite the fact that other methods of nukes are just as deployable around the world in a variety of conditions. Arsenal Gear is the only true solution to nuclear warfare given that it has the ability to take control of nuclear systems, and Arsenal Gear is not even a fucking infantry tank any more, it's the equivalent of an aircraft carrier for the infantry tanks.

>>715959594
>>715959673
>>715959675
>t. have no idea what modern military equipment can do
Typical low iq uq kojimadrones.

>>715959907
Rex doesn't launch missiles. It uses a rail gun so it can launch nuclear warheads that are meant to be undetectable by defense systems.

>>715959907
To infiltrate certain defense systems that make long-range nukes unlikely to reach their target. Now don't ask me how this monstrosity could possibly sneak into a hostile country.

>>715960206
Just because we can do these things with highly expensive prototypes doesn't mean that we're reliably doing this in battlefield conditions. Go look at the amount of vehicles destroyed in the war in Ukraine, a ton of which were abandoned to the conditions mentioned that are shitty for tanks.

>>715960220
>can launch nuclear warheads that are meant to be undetectable by defense systems.
yeah, this is probably why metal gear is the ultimate weapon

>>715959328 (OP)
Youre one of those autists who refuses to watch gundam because "giant robots wouldnt be possible / make sense in real life" arent you

>>715959594
mechs can't go up a mountain you retard
you know what happens when a 50 ton mech puts all it's weight ton a ledge?
it doesn't climb up a ledge, it rips the ledge down

>>715961063
It just uses its jetpack to fly over it, you fucking moron.

>>715960220
>use rail gun to launch nuke
>trail of ionized air lights up like a god damn christmas tree on everything radio
>nuked country instantly realizes it was you
>nukes you in return

and no launching it from some third world country isn't going to work either, because the first assumption anyone has at being nuked out of a third world country by the most advanced nuke delivery system in the world is going to be "I bet the americans did this"

>>715961159
the tank has tank jetpacks to get over it moron, which are better than mech jetpacks

>>715961282
Good luck getting off the ground with your propulsion directly being diffused into it. There's no way tank jetpacks are better.

>>715959675
>make a 100 ton colossal monsterasity that can be detected from the other side of the planet to launch nukes from anywhere
That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard.
Nuclear submarines actually do this without all these retarded compromises.

If you're at the point where you're nuking another country, does being stealthy about it really matter? If you're that big of enemies with someone they're still going to know it's you and retaliate.

>>715959328 (OP)
>can do better
A tank can't take on a cyborg ninja like Rex

>>715961352
thrusters are evenly distributed
besides the tank can just fire it's gun backwards for extra speed handily outspeeding the mech which is stuck facing forwards

>>715959328 (OP)

Tanks can't fire warheads across countries. Metal Gear can.

REX can also slice open tanks like tissue paper.

>>715961518
And a cyborg ninja like Raiden takes on any mech, so once again mechs are useless

>>715961553
Rocket jumping is pretty smart but you forget that these mechs have reverse-jointed legs so they can jump and they also have railguns to do the exact same shit. This is like having a choice in Star Fox 64 between the Landmaster and one of those badass monkey mechs and you're picking the fucking Landmaster, which has all the worst levels in the game.

>>715959328 (OP)
Metal Gear can launch nukes.

>>715961625
they send the Landmaster into the hellhole missions because even Starfox knows that only the Landmaster could survive those, the mechs would get instantly wrecked

once again, victory for team tank

a tank cant deploy a nuke because its too small, Metal Gear is fucking huge

>>715961705
If they had those fucking sweet monkey mechs I know they'd use them, the problem is the monkeys are fanatics that would rather die for their cause than give up their mechs. Understandable.

>>715960206
>mgs was released in 1998
and1998 tech is modern tech you retard?
If you want to mock kojimadrones you just need to talk about dead stranding moron

>>715961737
Where is your god now?

>>715960206
So can your "modern military equipment" do this or not
I'm not asking you to cope, this is a yes or no question

>>715961992
it can kill that mech from 10 miles away at the press of a button

>>715961992
By the time your round has traveled 10 miles Ray has already done 17 backflips and went back into the ocean

>>715961518
https://youtu.be/Juvkwh2ZurY?si=Wq9NLoijMCzylOc-
LOL

>>715961992
Literally one 1000kg bomb will destroy that shit in a second.

>>715961610
If Gray Fox HF blade didn't work out I really doubt Raiden would be able to pull it off
Even if he try to get close to body slam it he still has the laser to worry about

>>715962283
he can just parry the laser

>>715959907
>>715961471
Yeah the entire premise doesn't make any sense at all. Not sure if it made a bit more sense as a prototype in the 60s as revealed in the mgs3 when the range of the missiles supposedly still mattered like in the cuban crisis. In the modern time games it's more silly than anything. Or the general non-nuke robots walking on legs, just fuck with their legs and they are gone. A solid unit of a tank can't be fucked with as easily.

Wasn't the point of MG Rex the ability to have intercontinental nukes without a static silo and also the ability to fire them from anywhere? Like, a false flag attack.

>MUH NUKES FROM ANYWHERE
*blocks your path*

>>715962432
nuclear submarines can do that
the big issue Rex is that it's not stealthy, it would be tracked by everyone 24/7 so it can't fire a stealthy nuke

>>715962314
If he did I would welcome him in DMC6

>>715962507
Might not be stealthy but it's fast and stupidly tough.
And subs are EXPENSIVE.

>>715962432
You mean like nuclear subs which existed since the 1960s.

>>715959328 (OP)
How much a flaming homo do you have to be not to want to blow all your budget on giant metal dinosaur with a railgun and nukes?

>>715959328 (OP)
what's the point of a tank when a drone can do everything a tank can do but better and cheaper?

>>715962507
I don't see a sub launching a nuke from the top of a mountain.

>>715962274
Ray is a defense system in and of itself
>>715961471
yes you fucking retard
it's called a surprise attack, hit em when they don't know it's coming and can't react fast enough to stop it
>>715961235
>but muh made-up science theory
In the setting, it gets past defense systems.
You can cope and cry about it all you want but that's just how it works

>>715962585
Rex costs like 50x what a nuclear submarine costs
also speed doesn't matter unless you're supersonic, which it isn't

>>715962661
Nuclear subs sure are viable for land-locked states.

>>715962753
Tanks are for taking territory. You can't take territory with drones.

>>715961235
>>trail of ionized air lights up like a god damn christmas tree on everything radio
Is that even detectable thousands of miles away? It's not like it's going to be ionizing the air the whole way there, just around the launch zone.

>muh railguns
>muh nukes
What now?

>>715962829
>In the setting, it gets past defense systems.
sure it does, which doesn't fucking matter I'm not talking about it being intercepted which it wouldn't be (by the way interception ICBM's is a shitshow as well and not reliable)

I'm talking about how everyone would know THAT you fired it after it hit and you'd trigger global nuclear warfare anyways

>>715962864
it's hypersonic+, it would light up the air in it's entire path
a single sand sized meteorite creates a trail of ionized air long and wide enough you can deflect radio waves off it to reach stations beyond the horizon which can be picked up by amateur level equipment

>>715962887
Hire the Ghost of Kiev to take you out.

>>715962887
What would win:
>unique submersible aircraft carrier with a full complement of naval jets and anti-air weaponry
or
>one ex-con pilot with a fursona

>>715962845
Turns out you can't take territory very well with tanks either because they get bombed by drones until they don't work.

>>715962274
*dodges it*

>>715962845
>he thinks a nuclear warhead has a range of a gun
God you're stupid.
Water/sea will always be more viable than land. ALWAYS. There is a reason why the sttongest country in the world always has the best navy.

>>715962668
About as flaming as Obama
https://youtu.be/p8__8--YAm4?si=mt2kPhQktTttPB_U

Don't forget about Bill Clinton canceling the giant invisible squid submarine

>>715963049
The Ghost of Kiev story sounds like something straight out of Ace Combat.

>>715963205
>dodging a supersonic bomb/missile
Good luck with that, dumwit.

>>715963252
No, you fucking retard. A land-locked state with nuclear ambitions cannot have any submarines.

>>715963380
A landlocked country would never be a superpower in the first place.

>>715962845
Tanks are for slowly being phased out of warfare to suit to modern reality of technology, the same way large battleships fell to the reality of the submarine, the same way castles and fortresses fell to the reality of artillery. A tank is just a rolling target for a football-sized expendable chunk of radio shack plastic.

>>715963475
you do know that there are countermeasures for drones, right?

>>715963475
>battleships fell to the reality of the submarine

Battleships didn't fall to the submarine, they were made obsolete by the airplane / carrier and their role of standoff bombardment was overtaken by the missile cruiser.

Just remember the real point of Pearl Harbor was to sink the carriers and damage the fuel supply.

Even in WW2 it was known that carriers were the new threat in the pacific.

>>715963475
Not him, but tanks will continue being use until something better can fill the niche of them.
Maybe unmanned ground vehicles, which would still be similar to tanks anyway.

>>715959328 (OP)
What pisses me off is that there are cyborgs that are stronger than Metal Gears.

>>715959328 (OP)
kojima is an autistic retard with retardation

>>715963373
Maybe you should play a metal gear game before joining a discussion around it, hmm?
Ray will notice your missile flying like 3 minutes before arrival and will have swam 5 kilometers away by the time it impacts
Do you retarded trogs think the metal gears are as slow as tanks? lol, these niggas do acrobatics and shit

>>715963728
That I agree with, but in modern conflicts they're nowhere near the behemoth they used to be. Their role has shrunk significantly.

>>715963693
and one of the big reasons that the US was untouchable for the Japanese is that they build 48 carriers in the time the Japs build 3

>>715963808
ray is not faster than a missile and it does not swim 5km in 3 minutes, it does not swim at 100km/h

Is there any game, manga, anime etc. about tanks owning mecha?

>>715963693
what I meant to say was that the grand naval warfare wet dream of the brass of the time, of great armadas of ships doing naval warfare in big ship battles like a fucking Pirates of the Caribbean movie, fell to the reality of the torpedo and the u-boat. Large battleship still serve a role, but huge fleets of advanced warships just make themselves a target.
>>715963728
A tank is just another piece of mobile artillery, like a SAM truck but with more armor. The tank will always serve in a role as a big gun that rolls, but it's not the king of wherever it wants to go anymore.

>>715963957
In some of the MechWarrior tabletops, some tanks could be pretty fucking strong. I don't know if you want to roll artillery in there but artillery vehicles are usually strong across all MechWarrior stuff.

>>715963957
This sounds interesting, also curious if theres something like this. OG Gundam defs had moments like this with the air fighters, tanks, mobile platforms, etc
Almost gets ganked point blank from a jet from behind.

>>715960206
>>t. have no idea what modern military equipment can do
>>Typical low iq uq kojimadrones.
UMM the The Plaga Removal Laser 412 is a directed-energy weapon with unlimited ammunition which is highly unrealistic because how is the thing being powered. Am I supposed to believe Leon charges the gun in between chapters or is the weapon simply always ready to fire? The implications for this are insane as why would this gun not be tailored to tracking and eliminating other diseases or parasites in the human body, or repurpose the gun to target the heart and kill the person instantly...I mean...what are they smoking at Capcom....

>>715963732
Raiden is uniquely the fucking coolest vanquisher of perverts and ends up saving the world that way.

>>715959328 (OP)
Snake could've easily blown up that delicate ass railgun with c4 and stopped liquid during that launch code part.

>>715964465
This is literally the story to Transformers Dark Side of the Moon.

>>715964465
Kino.

>>715963957
If memory serves right tanks are stronger than gears in Heavy Gear it is just gears have more flexibility and ability to hide, hug terrain / ambush / cover / entrenched quickly as they aren't mech size but more like a Votom.

>>715959328 (OP)
>What's the point of metal gear when a fucking tank can do everything a metal gear can do better and cheaper?
1) Eliminating the need for an ICBM's thruster rocket by shooting the warhead itself via railgun (don't worry about the logic). This also shortens the reaction time for deploying defense systems, since it's not a slow missile soaring in an arc through the air.
2) Having an extremely mobile all-terrain missile launcher that can launch nukes from anywhere to anywhere. This is huge. You don't need silos, just load warheads on this thing.
And another thing: the faggots that complain about the knees being weak points don't realize that you won't even see this thing up close, it's a nuke sniper for all intents and purposes.

>>715964093
I wonder how Brigador mechs would fare in Mechwarrior, where a "heavy" mech is about 21 feet tall and might be armed with, for example, a 105mm cannon and a 12.7 mm machine gun, or a heavy quad-barrel howitzer and a pulsing laser turret.

>>715964908
forgot my pic

>>715964847
>jams signal

>>715962485
>Launch from anywhere
>Posts a fucking bomber
???

>>715959328 (OP)
This is by far the dumbest fucking thing to be put in a metal gear game

>>715965871
On so many levels.

>>715960206
>have no idea what modern military equipment can do
Tanks are not designed to be submersible - and even if they WERE, it would not be for extended periods of time like the Ray is capable of.
And despite what you might think, slapping "modern" on it doesn't mean it's magically capable of such feats. All tanks suffer from the same issues with the terrain that Rex gets around handily enough on its own, if it ever needs to move of its own accord.
To that end, there is not a single tank capable of loading up a WMD with the kind of potential Rex has, as the point of Rex is to disregard the need for aerially deployed ordinance using its shoulder-mounted railgun. That weapon alone defeats the purpose of most "modern weapons" as it was described to be capable of landing accurate hits on satellites without disclosing its location because the shells didn't use flares or propellant. It was never meant to be a "front-line" weapon you let just ANYONE see. No, that role goes to Ray for being a submersible attack weapon platform that only really attacks water-based infrastructure.

>>715959328 (OP)
>>715959675
>Metal Gear's purpose is to
>>715959907
>>715960205
>>715960220
>>715961668
The original Rex was built as a ANTI-MISSILE DEFENSE system.
Being able to move, aim and one-shot them with a railgun too big to be moved easily on ground.
Arguably it can also launch all kind of projectiles at probably any fucking range, so it would be an artillery system that can shot (cheaper) projectiles on factories deep into enemy lines.

It was also secretly meant to launch "stealth" nuclear missiles, and skirt a nuclear non-proliferation agreement.

The legal aspect doesn't need to make sense. Just look as our IRL political landscape.
Other countries will just think you are being fancy with your anti-missile defense.
...until the day you put the stored "not missiles" nuclear bomb into railgun shell.

I'm not saying they meant to make it realist, it's just a damn video game final mecha boss

>>715962274
>Literally one 1000kg bomb will destroy that shit in a second.
How do you get the bomb to a machine that can one-shot everything it has a line-of-sight with?
Even if Metal gear is armed and defended as if it was a front line unit.

>>715962485
>battle proven in a country that had no radar and cold war old technology

>>715963040
>it's hypersonic+, it would light up the air in it's entire path
Only half-true, it would have the shockwave without emitting much heat. Reaching hypersonic is only relevant if you can maneuver.
Also the US literally wanted to use railgun on warship to help launch hypersonic projectiles, this is just the mad science version.
Not that MGS setting make sense technologically. Everything would be super-tech to our level.

>>715963475
>A tank is just a rolling target for a football-sized expendable chunk of radio shack plastic.
I agree but if Rex isn't sent on the frontline you'll need a big swarm or long range microdrone to get it.
That or do what Ukrainian did to destroy 30% of Russia's bomber.

>>715967030
>THE UKRANIANS ARE IN THE ELEVATOR WITH YOU, VLAD!
>THEY'RE USING STEALTH TECH!

>>715966214
I'd invoke rule of cool but even my 14 year old self found it's explanation retarded

>>715966318
here's something you're failing to account for
in a universe where it's possible to submerge a Ray it's also possible to submerge a tank, and in fact easier to do so because the square/cube law hasn't changed

same thing with the Rex, literally nothing stops anyone in that universe from just taking that railgun and putting it on a tank, or a submarine, or a plane

>>715967030
>Just look as our IRL political landscape.
Just have someone from DARPA be the last person to talk with Trump and he'll have Metal Gear made.

>>715968053
the only mech Trump would approve of is one shaped like a giant version of himself
you don't get Rex out of him, you get the Trump Bot
which is considerably less cool than giant robot dinosaur

>>715959328 (OP)
Why dont we talk about how planes are fucking stupid

>>715967030
>metal gear was for anti-missile defense
>>715968053
>donald fund a new super expensive anti-missile defense
Oh god!

>>715968719
>donald fund a new super expensive anti-missile defense
Congrats on Israel for getting a metal gear I suppose?

>>715963945
It kept up with outer heaven going 40 knots, or 75 km/h. Fairly reasonable to think it could go 100

>>715964847
They have drones in the metal gear franchise already. They suck.

>>715967141
The Russian needed to buy infrared googles from other countries
If the Ukrainian had their hands on even a few of those ridiculously convenient stealth devices, they would have blown up the integrality of Kerch's Bridge, killed every one under Putin, only leaving Putin alive so he could sign his unconditional surrender.

>>715965871
Russians can't cook, news at 11

>>715959328 (OP)
you should play the games before posting

>>715965871
Nah, it was pretty realistic when you think about most of the retarded cold war stuff that were planned by russians.

>>715968986
there's a pretty big difference between those velocities in water due to cavitation

>>715959328 (OP)
The only believable Metal Gear is actually Shagohod

>>715965871
I still don't understand the point of this. It's a tank that can launch nukes? Doesn't seem very exceptional.

>>715963475
When the Maginot line was created, it was asked, are tanks obsolete?
With the creation of anti-tank defenses, it was asked, are tanks obsolete?
When the first infantry portable anti tank weapons were created, it was asked, are tanks obsolete?
With the creation of the HEAT projectile, it was asked, are tanks obsolete?
With the invention of the ATGM, it was asked, are tanks obsolete?
With the arrival of missile-carrying helicopters, it was asked, are tanks obsolete?
With the employment of plane-dropped precision guided munitions, it was asked, are tanks obsolete?
With the invention of APFSDS, it was asked, are tanks obsolete?
With the ability of infantry to call in air strikes, designate targets with pinpoint precision, and conduct inter-arms deployment of missiles and bombs, it was asked, are tanks obsolete?
^^ You are here ^^
With the creation of mecha, it was asked, are tanks obsolete?
With the invention of plasma bombs and missiles, it was asked, are tanks obsolete?
With the invention of spaceships, it was asked, are tanks obsolete?
With the talent of psionic units, it was asked, are tanks obsolete?
And so on until the end of time...

no reason for any of these to exist when a single person could easily carry a nuke undetected on foot anywhere

>>715970528
>With the creation of the Zaku it was asked, are Guntanks obsolete?
>With the creation of the Guncannon it was asked, are Guntanks Obsolete?
>with the creation of the Zaku II it was asked, are Guntanks obsolete?
>With the creation of the Gundam it was asked, are Guntanks obsolete?
>With the creation of the GM it was asked, are Guntanks obsolete

>Metal Gear are all bipedal trash

A real metal Gear should have been a moving fortress like an AI tank on train tracks moving at high speed and you had to infiltrate it and sabotage it.

No, arsenal doesnt count

>>715959328 (OP)
Rex wasnt the complete focus of their project
When you meet Otacon, you reveal to him that they were planning on equipping it with a rail gun
So even the main engineer behind REX didnt know about the railgun
The Railgun was the entire point of the MG, without it, its just a cool pile of scrap metal
It also had a FUCKING DICK LASER

If you want a stupid, pointless "metal gear" in the metal gear universe, then play MGS3...

>>715960220
Not just that, it was skirting international law because the missiles didnt use a propellant

>>715970778
>Metal Gear are all bipedal trash
correct me if i'm wrong but it was also the fastest metal gear of all time(outside bullshit sahelantropus)

Metal Gears are a thing of the past Jack. Worthless heap of junk like a mechanical coffin

>>715963373
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYifoK0hFv4

>>715963808
You do realize that missiles can lock on targets, right?

>>715964465
This webm is literally the imagination of a 6 year old, like whats going on in some boys head when hes playing with his toys

>>715962141
>he has to cope with huey's dogshit that doesn't even work without literal magic

>>715967030
>It was also secretly meant to launch "stealth" nuclear missiles
Isn't the point of a modern nuclear weapons program to whip it out and loudly helicopter it around on the world stage so everyone knows if they pull any funny shit that they'll suffer the atomic wang. At least after the program is finished.

>>715970528
*one taps your rolling coffin with no diff*

>>715959328 (OP)
What's the point of incelchuds when niggers can fuck women better and cheaper? You don't see niggers making retarded ass threads, while op is making the quintillion thread about stupid nerd shit taken too seriously a nigger is fucking his mom.

>>715961063
Not if the game doesn't have destructible environment you moron. So mech>tank

>>715972325
>complaining about people here taking nerd stuff too seriously
You came to the wrong website, motherfucker. That's our cherished pastime.

>>715970480
The basic idea is that it uses a runway to build speed for the missile to increase its range to make them Intercontinental which would blindside the nuclear theater predictions of the other side, RAXA is basically the same idea but vertical.

Think of them as two stage rockets, but the first Stage is a Hover-Tank-Truck/Extremely clunky and useless Spider Tank.

>>715972509
Can't believe you manage to focus to type all that when a nigger is banging your mom upstairs

>>715959594
Traversing difficult terrain is the entire point of treads. Much more ground surface relatively, and lower center of gravity as well. Otherwise you could just use an armored car or multiwheeler, even cheaper and can drive faster on even ground.

>>715970778
>fortress like an AI tank on train tracks
I know you feel smart and edgy for saying track > legs, but when you reach THIS SIZE, you start being concerned with flattening everything

>>715972185
>At least after the program is finished.
Key word, you still keep the development secret so they are too late and feel humbled by your giant railgun-sized dick.
Also believe it or not, not everyone start from the basis the nuclear non-proliferation is complete bullshit and it's the only way to MAD strategy.
At the very least, keeping it secret give you a pretext to look into smaller states business if they are developing nukes that they might deploy using more creative means