It's dead, isn't it?

>>715961009 (OP)
It wouldn't be dead if you'd stop killing it

>>715961009 (OP)

No and unfortunately, you are still alive

>>715961009 (OP)
>500k invalid signyatures
yep

Maldavius Figtree posted this.

>reaches "government" body (EU is not a legitimate government)
>>lol tf is this? Video games? Who cares?
>movement dies
>karen banshees from australia send schizo notes to credit card companies and get them to get steam to start banning games they don't like in the meantime
What a world we live in bros

Stop killing SKG!

these commies will never be able to convince any politician that "buying a game = I own the source code and can do whatever with it"

>>715961009 (OP)
It died the moment I saw people admitting they were only supporting it to scare developers into pivoting away from live service games. At that point it stopped being about game preservation in good faith, and became an excuse for people to try and dunk on genres they don't like.

>>715965406
it was never a serious movement, it was just snarky ass redditors gatekeeping genres they don't like under the guise of a vitreous crusade against the big bad corpos. it always is.

>>715965406
It never was a good faith initiative because it was deliberately vague and in all elaborations begging the question.
The only real solution offered by Ross Scott was mandating community servers, something that he clearly wants badly, but also something that isn't a reasonable expectation.
The problem was never about whether games did or did not have community servers, you know that when you buy the game, rather about the uncertainty and risk that comes with buying a live-service game that can be shut down arbitrarily.
Consumers don't know what they're buying, and that's a serious problem. The solution being rather obvious, not defining the substance of a product, but rather offering consumer security through mandated minimum service periods.
That's the only solution that upholds horizontal conformity with other EU legislation, yet it's also the only solution that Scott conveniently refuses to name.

Because 'Stop Killing Games' isn't about protecting consumers, it's about forcing an agenda.

>>715964432
Good thing nobody is asking for that

The way the SKG community has dragged Thor's good name in the mud is absoultely disgusting, and it just shows the pure evil behind this movement

>>715964432
shut the fuck up trotskyshit

>>715967101
You seem to forget that devs can still kill games as long as they rent them (not sell) and announce when the service will end beforehand. The inniciative will simply clear this grey area.

>>715961009 (OP)
>6 months until EU could actually look and discuss about it
>more than enough time for corpo lobbyists to sabotage it ten times over
>meanwhile "gamers" with goldfish memorries would just shrug and keep complaining all while eating AAAswill

>>715961652
Kek, I like how you up the number every time and still give zero source

>>715964123
>creates a fabricated world in his own head
>turns to the camera and goes "what a world we live in bros" like a total tool.
Last time I checked, actual politicans from the EU are aware and already supporting it.

>>715967184
>>715967323
You guys gotta stop replying to these bad faith arguments. They know they aren't addressing the demands of the movement properly, it's intentional.

>>715967602
demands of the movement isn't reasonable therefore the only reasonable response is ridicule

>>715967184
That's actually part of the false dilemma presented by the initiators. One of the proposed solutions is to the disclose of source code after the main period of support. The initiators know very well that this is an unreasonable expectation. This is what's stated in the initiative, it does not aim to change the status quo of copyright.
The solution fails, deliberately. The goal is to make what Ross Scott wants, mandated community servers, seem like the only possible reasonable solution.

This is why the initiative is bad faith. The initiative’s framing manipulates the debate to promote a favored solution.
That's not how you enact meaningful change. If the process is deceptive, it undermines trust and wastes time, ultimately hurting the very consumers it claims to protect.

>>715961009 (OP)
>buy their games on Steam instead of buying them on GOG
>Wants to "own their games"

Why are /v/incels such hypocrites?

>>715968154
Source on claims?

>>715967184
except I've seen people spamming they want that

>>715968293
The initiative.

>>715967101
>community servers, something that he clearly wants badly, but also something that isn't a reasonable expectation
This was the standard for multiplayer games not that long ago.

>>715968960
It was, and it's great. I play those games.
But that's a different argument. And it's not a legal one.

>>715968154
Mind-bogglingly retarded post. Naming multiple ways in which developers can satisfy the hypothetical need for maintaining functionality after end of support is not 'bad faith'.

>>715961009 (OP)
>I'm going to own my games
>shit companies may well die
>retards that would white knight Stalin if he started a corporation can do nothing but seethe over it
feels pretty good

>>715967101
>you know that when you buy the game, rather about the uncertainty and risk that comes with buying a live-service game
No, they don't, because it's frequently not advertised as such. Regardless, that shouldn't be legal, that's the entire point of the initiative, so your post doesn't matter since you couldn't even respond to what it's about.

>>715968154
Considering the sheer amount of retardation resulting in permanent loss of game source code, releasing it to the public is a pretty decent idea.

>>715969257
The 'need for maintaining functionality after end of support' is the false dilemma.
Simply codifying this is impossible to enforce. It would be an endless tug of war between the authorities and the sellers. It's worded so vagueness, you have to elaborate to make the initiative possible, and therefore reasonable.

>>715970028
Again, that's literally what lawmakers would do if the initiative is passed. It would be objectively incorrect to try and decide this beforehand, that's not how EU initiatives work.

>>715969374
No. That's what you may believe, but consumer protection is not what the initiative is about foremost.

>This initiative calls to require publishers that sell or license videogames to consumers in the European Union (or related features and assets sold for videogames they operate) to leave said videogames in a functional (playable) state.

>Specifically, the initiative seeks to prevent the remote disabling of videogames by the publishers, before providing reasonable means to continue functioning of said videogames without the involvement from the side of the publisher.

None of this states the goal is to ensure consumers know what they're buying. Because in the mind of Scott, that's not a solution to the problem.

Scott is operating from a preservationist or access-first perspective, not a consumer rights framework. In his mind, making sure the game remains playable matters more than whether the customer knew what they were getting into.

>>715965406
I'm pretty sure the movement lost credibility when it turn Pirate Software into the villain when he really hasn't been involved for months. Most videos about SKG always seems to have his image on it. I think the only people interested were here for the drama and everyone just spite signed it and used it as a way to dunk on Pirate Software by being tangentially related. I don't think people are ready because this is a very long process that'll take years to see whether something changes or it stays the same as usual. Maybe some clarification and everyone just shifts to being called a service like a subscription.

>>715967101
fuck off Jason

>>715970476
He loves attention so why is this bad for him?

>>715968154
>The initiative’s framing manipulates the debate to promote a favored solution.
Of course it does you imbecile, the initiative is about what people want, as well as providing the issue people have

>>715970271
No, and this is why many initiatives fail.
You need to present a full and conclusive story, that entices action.

Simply saying 'not my problem,' does not conclude fundamental questions.
Making those questions the problems of legislators is a sure way of having your broadly justified initiative be rejected during the true beginning stages of the process.

>>715964432
>20 more posts in a different thread

>>715967561
>Romania is probably bottom 10 worst countries in all of Europe, one of the main reasons for it being its corrupt government
>Romanian politician who's part of said government agrees with a petition about video games and everybody start venerating him
This fills me with an indescribable sense of disgust.

>>715971296
Romania has actually been cleaning up a lot of corruption the last years and has been putting subsidies received from the EU to proper use to work on things like infrastructure and utilities. They're steadily pulling out of the post-Soviet shit-hole state. HUNGARY, however...

>>715961009 (OP)
>A bunch of emails from a couple of bored rich trophy wives had a bigger impact than half a million incels
I thought you were unstoppable when you rise up

900 signutures to reach the milestone buffer.

>>715961009 (OP)
Thank fuck it's dead, SKGfags are INSANELY annoying.

>>715971296
Hasn't been the case since 2000s. ANd of course Romanian official support it given there's a pretty sizeable torrenting site there and piracy being not glared at.

>>715961009 (OP)
This shit will never ever work because music and movie companies will lobby the shit out of it since it creates a precedent for shit like forcing these companies to let you download music from a streaming service closing for whatever reason

https://www.stopkillinggames.com/

It basically hit the 1.4 m safety goal so it's pretty much guaranteed to hit the EU parliament.

>>715968281
always online slop isnt sold on gog in the first place
of course drm free offline games weren't part of the "stop kiling games" problem in the first place. even if steam does cuck you out of your library you can simply pirate the drm free version afterwards.

>>715972906
>it creates a precedent for shit like forcing these companies to let you download music from a streaming service closing for whatever reason
It doesn't - because those services are explicitly subscription services operating off of a proper service contract, with proper monthly or yearly renewals.

fucking care about saving games and that bullshit, you can get roms anymore and pirate shit

>>715961009 (OP)
>1,4 million signatures day and the secondary goal filled
seems pretty healthy

>>715971296
Have you been under a rock? Romania's doing a LOT better than the mooslem-flooded trashheaps in the western side.

>>715961009 (OP)
I SHILLED SO HARD AND GOT SO FAR
BUT IN THE END IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER

>>715972574
Please refrain from shitposting with my fish, thank you.

>>715964123
It's like you don't know EU.
>Hey, anyone got any new idea for being petty and annoying with megacorporations?
>There is these bunch of nerds that are asking for game rights or something, it sounds pretty annoying and petty

>>715961009 (OP)
Keep Killing Games

>>715965406
>scare developers into pivoting away from live service games.

That is literally a good thing too you retard. It's win-win. There's no downsides here at all.

>>715964123
You're retarded. EU forced Nintendo to stop bricking consoles. They also forced the obese gabe to let us get refunds.

>>715965406
>they were only supporting it to scare developers into pivoting away from live service games.
Good

>>715965406
>he can't tell apart jokes and reality
ngmi

>>715978371
EU being based and fucking corpos AGAIN

>>715978759
>EU forced Nintendo to stop bricking consoles.
The EU enforced current consumer protection legislation. It wasn't the result of some sort of novel initiative.
>They also forced the obese gabe to let us get refunds.
No, Steam's generous refund policy is a choice they made on their own accord.
EU jurisprudence is quite clear on this, once you start the download it's no longer refundable
They also apply this policy worldwide, and do not limit it to the EU. Meaning they want this, instead of it being a simple obligation.

>>715978371
>>715978754
the eu likes screwing with AMERICAN corporations
games are the only "tech" the eu has left, they wont be so aggressive

>>715967906
Ridiculing something and labeling it unreasonable while refusing to elaborate makes you look ignorant and sad.

>>715961009 (OP)
Thank god that shit is over.
Redditcringe deserves to eat shit.
It was nothing more then just "muh capitalism" whining.

Less than 250 signatures left

>>715961009 (OP)
if 600k people didn't use a VPN to sign it then it would have actually passed. I don't know why they were expecting their signature to count.

>>715961009 (OP)
Shill cope general. I gotta say, it's interesting how they keep getting funnier without getting new material.

>>715980458
>200k fake signatures will never allow it to pass!
>what about the 400k fake signatures?
>The 600k fake signatures will block it!
Here, have some nintendo music to calm your nerves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bEZQ00OOxY

>>715980458 (You)
you need a government id to sign btw

>>715961009 (OP)
Collective Shout is more effective at killing games than Stop Killing Games is at preventing games from being killed

>game corpos hired the pajeet firms to shit up the place
Just gotta find the brain-jew.

>>715967498
The number of invalid votes is directly proportional to 1 million plus number of buffer votes.

>>715961009 (OP)
Not only have I not signed this communist piece of shit but I've managed to convince real life progressive aquaintances that this is an evil far right harassment movement preventing them from signing it and spreading the message to their friends as they've informed me, glad to do anything I can to hamper this fascist commie slop.

SOON™

>>715967101
>The only real solution offered by Ross Scott was mandating community servers, something that he clearly wants badly, but also something that isn't a reasonable expectation.
WHY? You faggots always say this but NEVER elaborate. What do you get out of being so vague?

>>715980976
Good, but ubisoft will not give you the blowjob you're expecting.
If anything they will find something you hate and will do it a lot.

>>715961009 (OP)
yep
fucking hard dead in the water

>>715981264
Because all the other "solutions" are absurd.

>>715980976
>fascist commie

>>715973195
motte and bailey fallacy, skg promotes itself under its pseudo reasonable aims, in actuality fascistically destroys all companies for the benefit of the state, will retreat back to the pretense of the pseudo reasonable legislature if caught and called out, many such cases the EUrabian EUssr makes the soviets and the worst muslim regimes seem like gentle freedom loving hippies!

>>715969139
It is illegal to deprive the customers of their purchased goods.

>>715981340
That doesn’t answer the question. Why is wanting community servers an unreasonable expectation?

This kills the shill.

>>715981434
>WAAAAAAA Call the President! Mommy took my action figures away for not eating my vegetables, save me UN, NATO, EU, Russia, China! WAAAAAAA

>sharing the rest of the game files that are stored in a server is communism

>>715981628
>>sharing the rest of the money that are stored in your bank is communism???????
SKGoviets this is your mindset

>>715981586
Yes. Now what?

>>715981753
If this is your best argument, you already lost it.

>>715964123
>>>lol tf is this? Video games? Who cares?
source?

>>715981782
You will be ashamed of your words and deeds

>>715971296
hold on let me look at how germany is doi- oh....

>>715961009 (OP)
PS3 was the beginning of the end with the cinematic movie game bullshit. Soons as you structure it in a way that might intrigue normies they come flocking in and then start bitching about what they don't like about the thing you love. We had PS2 games with blatantly sexualized women and G4 that also sold sex on top of tech. It was fine, no one gave a shit. Then the faggots and the feminists showed up.

>>715981975
Not supporting hamas and hating jews like you former soviet eastern blok terrorist shitholes like ireland

>>715978371
The only problem is that it always either backfires or companies just pay the 0.00000001% fine and continue as normal.

>>715981547
I like how skgfags think this doesn't go against skg.

>>715981465
You didn't read my post. I explained it.

>The problem was never about whether games did or did not have community servers, you know that when you buy the game
Because you know whether a game has community servers before making your purchasing decision.

>The solution being rather obvious, not defining the substance of a product
Within the current legal framework there is no basis to infringe on the discretion of private entities. Even if you believe there is, such a measure still doesn't meet the principle of subsidiarity because there are less radical solutions to the problem.

>>715981434
It isn't illegal however to shut down a piece of software.

>>715961009 (OP)
The movement is dead.
It had 400k supporters. That's it. That's all it could do in 11 months and 20 days.
The last 10 days's 1.2M signatures is just a meme dogpiling on piratesotware ñ.
It was funny, but it's undeniable that the boost had nothing to do with SKG

>>715982141
good morning sir

>>715982145
Probably.
I think the biggest impact actually comes from the drama itself when it reach the investor's ears.
Game companies are scared of shit reaching the investors, which is why they always overreact and double down in any gamergate like event.
it's not about controlling what actually happen, but what the investors hear.

>>715982323
>The last 10 days's 1.2M signatures is just a meme dogpiling on piratesotware ñ.
Based euros willing to shitpost so hard it becomes law.

>>715982141
>former soviet eastern blok terrorist shitholes like ireland
Ireland, my favorite member of the Warsaw Pact.

>>715982421
It's a consultative petition, if you believe the end goal is legislation you were misled.

>>715967906
What makes it unreasonable? Please, elaborate.

I hate kids and their entitlement to have their whole life digitally savescummed
From "owning" digital goods for eternity to recording every single meal they eat

>>715981264
The real question is what do you get out of lying, the answer to that is more support for SKG and corporations that benefit from it.
Anywho the usual reasons that all of you ignore is that multiple games use the same server software and could lead to compromised games, it may not belong to the publisher so they won't have rights to give it away and no one should be forced to give up their property at any point in time for any reason.

And this is the part where you either ignore this post or say something stupid like
>THEY WON'T LOSE THE GAME IP!
as if the server software wouldn't count as intellectual property and wasn't the subject.

>>715982561
Impossibilium nulla obligatio est.

>copying files from a folder to another takes billions of dollars, please understando!
>i'm being repressed!

Why do you want a horseless carriage? That is impossible so shut the fuck up and stop trying.

>>715982141
You will never be Irish

>>715982382
Nah, investors don't give a shit as long as their bottom dollar is fine. That's also why you haven't heard anything from them about SKG since, as it is, there are more than enough loopholes allowing them to manipulate people and generate more money.

>>715982707
That's not how you use "savescummed," Ranjeet.

>50 signatures away from getting 1.4 million signatures
Holy shit.

Is today the day of the cope?

>>715982916
The "bottom dollar" made by the investors is a invented value boomers give to it.
Bad news make this value go down.

>>715982953
Today is the day of mockery just like every other day.

>>715978759
Nintendo wasn't bricking consoles.

>>715982947
400k are bots, 200k will be thrown out because romanians and finns can't spell their own names and that leaves you well short of the required 1m. Game over, you lose.

>>715967498
yeah it's actually 6 million fake signatures

>>715982795
>Companies should give up all their IPs, Profits and Copyrights so I get everything for free as an incel manchild
Great Argument! Can't wait for this shit to flop HARD despite you cocky creeps seething at anyone trying to talk sense into you despite you doxxing and harass everyone with brains against this movement...

>>715982953
First they cope
Then they rope

>>715983097
6 million from those countries in that short amount of time is impossible. It can't be done I say. Unless...perhaps....the 6 million number is wrong....

>>715983047
>Game over. You lose.

You will never be a woman.

Game over. You lose.

>>715983102
John Carmack proves your argument bullshit. Did ID Software loose control over Quake and Doom when he released the game engine code?

>>715961009 (OP)
Why are Eurabians all CommuNazis?

30 to go bros

>>715983250
Why are amerifats like you so scared of having rights?

>>715983102
>Companies should give up all their IPs
This actually keeps the IP alive and more valuable than just burning everything to the ground
>Profits
If they keep the store up, they will profit more from the game than just killing everything
>and Copyrights
It's the own company distributing the software, with the possibility of even charging for it.

>>715979738
Corpocuck cope
Even Apple kneels

>>715983250
Why are Corposhills all NiggerKikes?

it's over.......

>>715983196
@Moss... I mean @FBI stop this antisemite please!

>>715982543
>alcoholic potato enthusiast
I dunno, man....

>>715983442
Up from hell shitler and the nutszis look up smiling proud of you their descendants continuing their bidding all these years later.

STOP THE COUNT, STOP THE COUNT

missed the screenshot by 1

>>715983470
commiesissies, we fucking lost....

How will shills cope now?

We did it /v/ros

>>715983657
(Total number of signatures - 900k) of the signatures are fake.

>>715983657
half of the votes are from underage children btw

GET FUCKED AMERIFATS! YOU WILL RELEASE YOUR SERVER BINARIES AND YOU WILL LIKE IT! FUCK GACHA GAMES LMAOOOOOO

>>715983573
Hitler would've been pro-SKG? wtf I love SKG now.

>>715983683
>tranime
how to revoke/undo my signature...

>>715983782
thanks for bumping the thread

>>715983657
Today was a good day.

>>715961009 (OP)
I only saw this shithole obsess over it.

>>715983782
You've lost

>>715983175
Piratesoftware would never

>>715983016
This isn't bad news for them though assuming legislation goes through as is then the publishers get to legally kill games and resell them again.

>>715983720
don't you mean 6 million?

Wasn't one of the proposed solutions to have developers just put a notice on their games saying they'd at minimum keep online running for X-amount of years?

How is that hard to implement?

>>715983723
Yeah, it was all me :)

>>715984783
That is impossible. What if the game flops and we shut it down in 3 months?

>>715984901
>lasting 3 whole months
You're like a little baby

>>715984783
Very because there's no way to predict how well a game will do. If there's a minimum of 5 years and the game flops do you have to keep supporting it and draining money for those 5 years?

>>715964123
>karen banshees from australia send schizo notes to credit card companies and get them to get steam to start banning games they don't like in the meantime
Context about this anons?

>>715985383
Tranime gooner pedorape slop got deleted from steam, weebs seethe and cry.

>>715985383
It's some feminist group called collective shout or some thing like that, they're basically searching up and down for any game with sex, rape, incest etc and reporting it to credit card companies who the threaten platform holders ie Nintendo, valve, Sony etc into removing those games or losing support, which of course means no one can buy anything period if they don't comply.

>>715983442
I hate corporations, I'm a communist.

>>715985256
The minimum would be 2 years in line with EU warranty requirements on consumer products.

>>715985625
it's mostly WEGs that got deleted thoughever

>>715984783
No, that was not one of the proposed solutions. You seem to be implying something like publishers selling a game fully as a service and not as a product. If they want to do that, they have to:
A) Inform every purchaser how long their subscription will last, from point of purchase, and
B) Not sell any one-time purchase cosmetics or other microtransactions, as these have been ruled to be in-perpetuity licenses.

Given how few games can survive on a purely subscription model, I think this would be extremely unattractive for most publishers.

>>715985383
corporate/intelligence cutout using feminist patsies as the front, stuff like this doesn't go anywhere at all if it's actually grassroots.

For example, it's more likely that mastercard and visa fund the feminist groups and then "bend" to their demands, as a means of manipulating public opinion. If it doesn't pan out, it's not visa and mastercard at fault, it's those damn feminists everyone hates.

Similar if it's some other group. The feminists are just the mask, they have no real power but real power works through them because they're good at masking real power. Even after all this time many anons will look at this and conclude: This feminist group needs to be shut down.

In truth it's whoever's behind them that needs to be shut down. They're screeching 80 IQ harpies, they do what they do because they got money, status, and attention - who is providing money, status, and attention to them? That's who the real problem is. Take them out and the feminists just screech incoherently.

>>715967224
>thor's good name

world is healing
it took 4 posts for a faggot >>715961691 to mention another faggot
we are improving.

>>715985925
To think if this movement had started earlier Concord may've been forced to live for 2 years instead of a week

>>715986075
That's not even remotely close

>>715986831
To what end? It wasn't even a good game, so what is the utility in keeping a shambling corpse alive so that like 10 weirdos with nothing better to do can keep playing it.

>>715986857
No, that's... pretty much exactly it. If publishers are allowed to define their games as services, that's how they have to sell them to avoid defrauding customers.
The alternative is to sell a game as a product, in which case it should be usable effectively forever, provided the user maintains appropriate working hardware. Which, for most games with online components, would be best accomplished by giving users a server binary they can run or by patching the game to function offline.

>>715967224
he did that to himself.
people like jason are just looking for a cross to nail himself on to.

>>715982719
Boo fucking hoo hoo.
Don't care, not my problem.
Stop killing games.

>>715986618
While I generally agree with you
The reason that those games specifically were shut down is because they depict le rape and le incest, which is le illegal. But it should not fall on credit card companies to enforce laws like this. Especially when nobody does anything to stop actual porn being produced that depict the exact same thing

>>715987614
Rape and incest are illegal in real life. Depictions of them in media or not.

>>715987173
Because it's bad to the point it's hilarious
The tranny character's design alone looks so ridiculous that xher became a huge in the korean cyberspace

>>715987736
so is killing, stealing and gambling if you are underage.
any other arguments?

>>715987254
No, no it isn't. Skg isn't even about subscriptions so I don't know where you're getting that from and microtransactions were never mentioned. Did you even read the FAQ? Or are you some kind of shill trying to generate support by promising any old thing?

>>715987736
>>715987991
They apparently got SCP removed too so it's getting more broad.

>>715987736
You are not wrong
I'm not defending their actions, sorry if my post made it seem like that
I'm just trying to state their justification for their actions

>>715988398
The FAQ isn't the initiative.

The entire initiative is 3 paragraphs. Everything else is not relevant and will not be considered by the EC.

>>715982719
not my problem

>>715988881
Anon, the FAQ is the detailing what they want. Do you think it's just nonsense or something?

900k signatures never ever.

>>715989098
All I'm saying is that the FAQ is irrelevant because it's not the initiative.

>>715989352
Anon there's a character limit on the initiative page, you can't put everything in there. Even then what you think it's about isn't even mentioned on initiative.

>>715988837
yeah but i just have "just think of the children" fatigue because they do nothing about the push to normalize gambling among the youngest generations to the point we have grown up people who got raised on paying their whole pocket money on lootboxes...

>nooooooo you cant have your own servers after we shut the game down
I dont even get why they wont allow it in the first place. Claims of security issues doesnt even make sebse considering their dogshit security that is in the center of the news every year because passwords got leaked again (Sony). Even considering that they want to force people into their new game doesnt really hold because I wont buy your turd if its shit or worse than your previous game

>>715980935
how about buffer deez nuts

>>715989752
don't ask questions, let corporations fuck you. the government wants you and your family dead

>>715983720
why you're fake coping and fake contrarian on purpose? feeling special yet? you also hate lolis

>>715989752
It is why when ford/peugeot/BMW/kamatsu stop selling a vehicle the (now) old model stops working and you need to buy a new car/truck/tractor/whatever.

>>715989752
>Claims of security issues doesnt even make sebse considering their dogshit security that is in the center of the news every year because passwords got leaked again (Sony).
Are you really trying to say that one company with the worst opsec in the industry is representative of them all?

ross dodged actman's roast on pirate software on his livestream. ross is fucking professional and kind.

>>715989917
>don't ask questions, let corporations fuck you.
And now you know why they want skg to happen.

>>715989608
Look at this initiative and tell me there's a character limit again:
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/initiatives/details/2025/000001_en
Because yes, you could just have a summary (annex) followed by the full properly substantiated initiative with a PDF file.

I have gone through all the current active petitions, and 'Stop Killing Games' is by far the least substantiated out of all.

>>715989752
you're over-complicating it i think
to include literally ANY feature in a large-studio live-service title it has to be justified with how it will help drive engagement and turn a profit. by definition end-of-service support does not do that, if anything it does the opposite.

>>715990080
https://citizens-initiative-forum.europa.eu/document/how-draft-initiative-legal-requirements-and-practical-advice_en#:~:text=Annex%20on%20the%20subject%2C%20objectives,all%20the%20official%20EU%20languages.
Read up

We already have tons of people who really believe in the "You will own nothing and be happy" mantra, and it is only going to get worse. They will continue to argue that allowing people to own anything is an unreasonable expectation, and that you have to think about the rights and costs to the Corporations who do own everything.

You have people who truly believe that allowing servers to exist within the community post-end of support is this gigantic task, when this existed easily for many years, and was only quashed as a means to improve sales of sequels and microtransactions.

Using digital as a means to convert what used to be considered goods into services will be the bedrock of the decline of humanity.

>>715989978
Only Microsoft and Blizzard have high tier security. Even Steam got their security rustled this year.

I'm more in danger by entrusting my account info to Ubisoft than I would be by playing on a private server.

where's the "why'd they translate it into Irish" schizo? he was a fun one

fuck skg
fuck the state
fuck society

>>715961009 (OP)
Signed

>>715990413
it's just the same brand of rot as everything else- narrative. a world run by salesmen. Economics and social policy alike are driven by storytelling, not by pragmatic fact. "everyone is responsible for their own wellbeing and everyone gets what they deserve if they work hard enough" is such a compelling story that people will stick with it even if the reality that incompetent people are heading some of the most profitable and important institutions on the planet is staring them in the face. it's why the idea of a "debate bro" exists, because a debate is just a storytelling competition, not a fact-finding exercise.

We're going to die because we can't shake that. A guy waving a liveleak video of an foreigner acting unruly or violent around will always beat the guy sharing the statistic saying the vast majority of them are just invisibly living their lives.

>>715990703
contrarian, told my family member living in Europe to sign it :)

my wife's son and my bvll signed it! slava evropa!

>>715961009 (OP)
...Dead serious about preventing games from being killed!

>>715989752
>I dont even get why they wont allow it in the first place
because if you're playing old thing then you're not buying and playing new thing
that's it

>>715990356
>literally everything I stated
Stop trolling.

>>715990848
The narrative works in reverse too. “Genetic differences between humans are only skin deep” is an utterly unproven maxim but forms the basis of social sciences.

>>715980976
>being able to own your property is communist
SKG is just about the most anti-communist thing imaginable.

>>715985841
Commies are the biggest corpo bootlickers ever. You're not very bright.

>>715967906
But you don't even know what the demands are.

>>715982141
>Ireland catching a stray outta nowhere
Damn man, I just want to play video games

>>715989352
Nigga, you know that organizers will be invited to make their case when this gets picked up? This is not a "everything has to be on the initiative page and the commission will refuse to read anything else"