Thread 715965891

Nvidia Neural Texture Compression delivers 90% VRAM savings with DXR 1.2

NVIDIA WON

THANK YOU NVIDIA

YOUTUBE E-BEGGARS BTFO AND PROVEN WRONG ABOUT 8GB

>>715965891 (OP)
>3ms added compute for 70mb savings (like going from 4080S to 4090)
>vram still overflowing because you can't neural compression to everything
THANK YOU JENSEN

>>715965891 (OP)
>saves almost 90% saving
so it actually uses more vram

>>715966008
Based. Cant wait for 150ms input lag(buy new monitor goy!)with 400 fps using Nvidia DLSS,Frame generation,Raytracing and Nvidia Neural Texture Compression. Gamer time. It will be amazing,simply splendid.

>>715965891 (OP)
Unless I see genuine proof of this shit working for lower end hardware I'm calling bullshit and agreeing with >>715966119

Let's see if it can work for the switch 2.

>>715966008
its 70mb per texture

>>715966235
TURN BASED WON

>>715965891 (OP)
why are you screenshotting a random nobody instead of linking to an article talking about this?

>>715966119
kek, good catch. he can't even write correctly.

>>715966406
keep up

Nvidia will do literally anything but make 16GB VRAM a bare minimum

I don't need savings I have 24gb

>>715966406
https://overclock3d.net/news/gpu-displays/nvidia-neural-texture-compression-delivers-90-vram-savings-with-dxr-1-2/

Forgot link

>>715965891 (OP)
We'll make every advancement out there except teach devs how to optimise

>>715966732
>That said, this won’t lower the VRAM use of existing games, and many modern games are struggling to run well on graphics cards with 8GB of memory.
Wow it's fucking nothing then

>>715966819
it'll help future games

Oof…. PS6? This doesn’t even feature NTC. It’s like playing Pong on a 8K TV bro

@715966728
why are you posting here you fucking mongoloid stay in your fucking containment thread

There is no vram problem. Add more fucking ram to your cards nvidia and stop trying to find a use for these ai optimized cores.

I'm a 9070 XT chad but why does /v/ hate Nvidia so much?

>>715967179
They don't care about gamers anymore. They build these chips for AI and then try to convince gamers that their meme features make for better gaming.

what the actual fuck set off the bot, this is a thread about GPUs

>>715966819
>>715967024
now they can reduce vram usage and increase vram lter

>>715967415
oh nevermind, the word 'neural'

>>715967179
/v/ is full of poorfags taht think dlss/mfg are bad because they watched a youtube video

>>715967415
not a bot, her true husband

>>715967652
So if I shoot you in the back of the head this garbage spam will stop?

>>715967752
I love her so much

>>715966732
>here's lower quality visuals in the form of inaccurate textures so you can get more FPS
>here's lower quality visuals in the form of fake frames so you can get more FPS
>here's lower quality visuals in the form of upscaling so you can get more FPS
i didn't think game graphics would end like this.

>>715967569
>the same fucking insane delusion yet again

as someone who bought 12gb 5070 THANK YOU NVIDIA. unlucky to those amd retards with 16gb+ really. only reason to get 16gb + now is for AI oh wait amd cant do that either.

>>715968368
Funny how before all that we had
>here's significantly lower quality antialiasing that destroys visuals way more than any upscaling or fake frames, but at least you don't see any jaggies
but you were OK with it because it didn't have any AI word association in it

>>715968534
>>715968604
are you lost, friendo?

>>715968762
ignore the schizo

>>715968604
perfect relationship of Maciek...

>>715968685
the real crime of TAA is how everyone abused the Thus every modern game has overtuned specular and dithered transparency

>>715968685
what a retarded comparison, you must be very retarded. congrats on managing to use Internet.

>>715969017
i also watched that youtube video and repeat what that twink says without understanding anything

>>715968893
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>>715969356
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>>715968789
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>>715968762
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>>715969634
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>>715969793
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>>715969854
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>>715968620
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>>715969950
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>>715969356
I've been preaching this for over 6 years.
The games where I first noticed how bad it became were Control and RE2, where the SSR had insane shimmering because they were counting on TAA to smooth it out. btw SSR is still used with with RT on in Control
Even if that twink is a grifter, I'm glad that someone is trying to put attention on this insanity we've ended up in.

>>715965891 (OP)
>nvidia introduces DLSS and ray tracing with Turing
>everyone shits on it and calls it a fad
>6 years later, Turing cards aged ten times better than their ayymd counterparts from that time because both technologies are now the standard
>now ai slop texture compression is going to make the vram shortages in Blackwell cards irrelevant
This tech is going to be the next big thing they push, they'll be able to sell "amateur" AI cards with more vram and huge markup and still maintain monopoly in gaming without cannibalizing the AI segment. Oh and game devs will have to care even less about optimization so you know it WILL get adopted.

>>715968368
>playing games
Bro...

>>715970273
6060 will have 4 gigs of vram. It doesn't need more with this incredible new technology.

>>715966284
You live in a world created by miracles so if course the only way for you to look rebellious is to be uselessly cynical and pessimistic against everything no matter how many times you get proven wrong

>>715968789
>ignore the schizo
you're right, I know...

>>715970415
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>>715970540
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>>715970717
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OkoUhP5cNms https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OkoUhP5cNms https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OkoUhP5cNms https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OkoUhP5cNms

the same video 3 times Anon?

>>715970859
More like 20
but he got banned and all his posts deleted

Its all the same bullshit that would probably never made onto commercial games because it requires skill or because it doesn't actually benefits actua games and just work in very specific scenarios

>>715970456
I'm sure that delusion in you head will FINALLY become reality after over 6 fucking years of disappointments.

>>715971157
Life and civilization's existence is a combination of miracles. Our very world is defined by them. Not my problem you're a doomer retard whose only definition of miracles and progress is whether an in-game woman has huge tits or not.

path 1: traditional Rastaman rendering with increased pixels

path 2: same amount of pixels but with jewish Ai tricks and blur

we made our decision and theres no going back

>>715971716
>path 1: traditional Rastaman rendering
This only works if gamers actually increase their resolution as graphical complexity increases. But they don't. PC gamers are stuck on 1080p and refuse to budge, even though the per-pixel complexity of modern graphics has left 1080p output behind long ago. There are a lot of problems with games that are caused by lazy untalented devs and poor tech, true, but a big part of modern image quality issues is that faggots refuse to move on from a resolution that's nearly two decades old and not enough anymore.

i simply don't trust any new nvidia tech.
especially ones with extremely bold claims.

>>715966284
>lower end hardware
People don't remember that the Transformer model of DLSS runs slower on older RTX series compared to the 4000/5000 series. I expect the same thing with this tech.
>save 90% VRAM usage
>add 10ms to render time unless you have the 5000 series

>>715971895

mouse and keyboard is unplayable below 100 fps. therefore it is PCfags actually preventing progress in this regard

>>715965891 (OP)
now with fake textures
coming soon to computer near you

>>715970920
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>>715972017
The upscaling part of Transformer model barely runs any worse. In fact it looks better enough that you're better off running Transformer Performance than CNN Quality on older cards, it'll run the same while looking better.
The actual DLSS component that runs much, much slower on older hardware is ray reconstruction, which is already a very situational gimmick and you shouldn't be using RT on old cards anyway.

>>715971895
>refuse to move on from a resolution that's nearly two decades old
I will get a new monitor when GPU prices will go down and devs will learn how to make games not run like shit.

>>71597092
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>>715972186
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>>715965891 (OP)
>Nvidia 6090 release
>now with only 2GB VRAM

>>715970645
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>>715972186
>I will get a new monitor when GPU prices will go down
An RX480 was a 1080p + 1440p GPU from 2016 that cost 250 bucks. With inflation that amounts to about 350 bucks. For 350 bucks today you can get an RX9060XT with 16GB VRAM which is easily a 1440p GPU with twice the VRAM.
GPU prices are not great but to pretend they're somehow so bad that you gotta stick to an ancient resolution and never upgrade is silly.

>>715972586
My 7700 XT wouldn't be able to handle 1440p games for the next decade, while 1080p will be just fine.

>>715970273
>schizo logic
DLSS sucked shit but the cards were still better you fucking idiot.

>>715972727
That's fine, but then don't complain if your game looks like shit. It's limited by your resolution and rendering tech.

>>715972017
kek, this Anon knows.
Same shit applies to fake frames, that tech also works the best on high end cards.

>>715971157
How about the last 300 years? Pick up a book sometime you ignoramus

>>715972916
>don't complain if your game looks like shit
I don't. I only complain about games running like shit.

>>715966819
It's future tech, bro. Almost all tech is.

>>715972916
No shit, but devs can't even optimize for potato-tier textures, let alone scale properly with higher res. Half the time you're rendering dirty PBR mud smeared across a wall in 1440p anyway. Resolution doesn't fix garbage asset pipelines and GPU bloat. I'll stick to pixel clarity at 1080p over "cinematic blurfest" at 4k with 12fps cutscenes.

>>715965891 (OP)
good news saars, we can put more unneedful textures in the AAA game

>>715971895
1440p is technically the middle ground now, not 1080p.

>>715968685
>but you were OK with it because it didn't have any AI word association in it
literally everybody hates TAA due to how it shit-smears everything. We were complaining about this before AI, and we still complain about this while complaining about AI.

>>715966008
No one cares AMD troon

>>715972586
Sure, an rtx 5060can run games quite well in 1440p, but not in 4k. And that's why 1440p is the new standard. 4k won't become the new middle-ground until sometime in 2028 or 2030, or thereabouts.

>>715974087
>I'll stick to pixel clarity at 1080p over "cinematic blurfest" at 4k with 12fps cutscenes.
phahahahaha what a bunch of insane cope
1080p no matter what you do with it looks much worse than any 4k ever will

>>715974485
You can't reason with these people anon.
It's the same logic as consolefaggots defending 30fps.

>>715972916
imagine being so dense as to think that people running their games at 1080 somehow holds back your RTX 5090 at running in real non AI 4k, 120 non AI fps, using non AI antialiasing...

>>715966681
>I don't need savings I have 24gb

And it doesn't matter because anyone making a game has to target for the hardware that the majority of people or consoles have which is like 10GB or less.

>>715974678
>imagine being so dense as to think that people running their games at 1080 somehow holds back your RTX 5090
I never said that, no idea what you're strawmanning here. I'm saying this: >>715971895 traditional raster rendering is no longer giving you good image quality not just because devs suck and new tech is full of gimmicks, it's because the resolution most PC gamers still use (900p/1080p) are ancient and just don't have the pixelcount to deliver good image quality in modern 3D games.

>>715974087
Texture resolution has nothing to do with screen resolution or FPS, only the objects closest to the camera render at full resolution and they can't render at any higher resolution than the screen resolution unless you're using supersampling.

>>715974485
>>715974608
>1080p no matter what you do with it looks much worse than any 4k ever will
oh nooooo he's retarded , 4k video is one thing , however it's completely different when you play your fucking game you retard, it's not even a real 4k at this point , everything is fake , gay and blurry, UPSCALED 4K , GENERATED FRAMES to reach "MUH PC MASTER RACE EXPIRIENCE" all packed in the same fucking hardware as 10 years ago , just with "AI" cores glued on top to fake 3/4 of you fake upscaled frames. of course I'm gonna prefer to play at real crisp 1080p aliased so I could cut my eye on any pixel anytime in REAL 120 FPS

>>715975347
Keep coping.

>>715975347
nothing you are babbling about here stands up when tested in reality no matter how you use caps lock
4k even when slopped up with goyframes is just visually superior than 1080p output no matter what. you can see this tested a billion times online or you could test this yourself if you had the hardware. this isn't an indian marketplace where screeching loudly makes you in the right

>>715972345
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>>715974926
exactly was my point to your retarded argument, YOU CAN'T RUN YOUR 4K MONITOR EVEN WITH A 5090 SUPER TIterino 420GB VRAM gddr69 without:
faking the resolution
faking a third of your upscaled frames
having minimal input lag
having crisp image EVEN IN MOTION

You're legally blind if you think that 4K in gaming isn't a giant cope

>>715975573
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OkoUhP5cNms https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OkoUhP5cNms https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OkoUhP5cNms https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OkoUhP5cNms

>>715975573
>t.legally blind faggot

>>715965891 (OP)
>oh no we're selling too many monitors with high resolutions and our GPUs can't keep up!
>fine, let's just make fake resolution with AI then
>oh no we're selling too many monitors with high refresh rates and our GPUs can't keep up!
>fine, let's just make fake FPS with AI then
>oh no every game is using too much VRAM and our GPUs can't keep up!
>fine, let's just make fake VRAM with AI then

>>715975751
>You're legally blind if you think that 4K in gaming isn't a giant cope
Even the sloppiest ugliest fake 4k output still looks better than 1080p output, because at the end of the day 1080p just does not have enough total pixels to produce a good moving image in today's games with today's asset fidelity. Dunno why that upsets you so much.

>>715968502
Yes, the same poorfag delusion that anything you can't afford is bad. That's why /v/ hates food analogies.

>>715975751
>rage
>hyperbolic super ti shit
You're poor and angry.
>shill calling people poor!!!!!!!!!!111111111oneonetwo
If you were happy with what you had and didn't want these high end cards, you wouldn't shit up Nvidia threads with your anger.

>>715976010
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>>715976210
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>>715976345
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>fake resolution
>fake frames
You are here
>fake textures

Thanks Nvidia I hate it.

>>715976404
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>>715976484
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>>715976484
texture compression isnt new.

>>715965891 (OP)
Very cool, can you show me how it performs on one of those 8GB cards?

>>715976010
the sloppiest ugliest fake 4k output looks exactly as described, sloppy ugly fake and gay, native 1080p on a 24" monitor will look better in games everytime rather than upscaled 4k on you 32" 240 hz monitor , all the detail you speak about is lost in the TAA/DLSS/FSR blurry smear of the generated frames, the only time your image looks better is when there is a still in game frame, that's it

>>715976612
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>>715976715
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>>715976715
holy shit, smells like reddit fucktaa is leaking here
you're so delusional that there's no point in engaging with you

>>715976715
>native 1080p on a 24" monitor will look better in games everytime rather than upscaled 4k on you 32" 240 hz monitor
Show me any legitimate tech outlet's comparison or whitepaper that proves or affirms what you just said, that native 1080p will look better than upscaled 4K every time. (You cannot because it's pure nonsense, a coping mechanism your brain came up with.)

In fact if you actually ask any legitimate tech outlet what their opinion on 4K upscaling with tech such as DLSS4/FSR4 is, they'll usually recommend it over rendering at native 4k let alone 1080p.

>>715976210
>>715976010
>>715975573
>unironically pulling the "you're just too poor to buy the new ai slop card"
damn that's exactly why enshittification happens , you're just eat it up and ok with it, nice
>>715976484
you can thank the retards above for the state of things, this wouldn't happen if they didn't "Get used to it"

>>715976715
Modern garbage is forcing TAA anyway so fuck off with "native".
>Just turn it off
You can't without getting dithering all over your screen.

>>715967024
>There is no vram problem
There it is, specially for AI

>>715966864
To be locked to proprietary Nvidia software? That's not helping anyone except Nvidia's shareholders.

>>715976010
>1080p just does not have enough total pixels to produce a good moving image
We're in this mess because contemporary games have so much detail that it breaks the renderer regardless of the resolution.

>>715977057
>muh legitimate tech outlet
oh no , he's braindead , what's next ? ask the 60's doctors how many cigarretes you have to smoke to live forever ?

based nvidia making an AI software solution to devs not bothering to optimize textures worth a damn

no mention of overhead lmao classic nvidia

>>715977445
Then show me any reputable source saying that native 1080p looks better than DLSS4/FSR4 4K, literally anyone. Bear in mind that "it was revealed to me in a dream" does not count.

>>715977413
>There it is, specially for AI
how does texture compression help ai?

>>715977523
Isn't it like -5 fps for just that single model floating in a void?

>>715977523
Just turn on MFGx10 :^)

>>715977610
Instead of giving cheapskate gamers who wont even pay a mere 5k for a gpu. That vram can be saved and used on the real costumers hardware.

I don't understand why TAA is used as the baseline AA that more advanced AA are built off of in modern games today. Isn't it harder to fix the smearing than it is to smooth a bunch of jagged models? Hell, why not just use a very small AI model to act as an AA to fix the jagged models as a game runs? Pretty sure a small enough specialized AI would be cheaper to run than whatever is being done today.

>>715977057
>legitimate tech outlet's comparison or whitepaper
>>715977595
>reputable source
>>>/reddit/

>>715977829
I cant argue that its good business and more profit for Nvidia but we are talking about games here. They wouldn't be doing this if they had any real competition.

>>715977886
Because the types of aliasing that happen in post 2009 games are not types of aliasing a simple spatial AA method can address. They're not geometric aliasing of an image, they're aliasing that happens due to differences between frames. Something that AAs a single image doesn't do the trick anymore, you need something that somehow consistently applies AA to a combination of frames. Temporal aliasing and its more advanced cousins are the only answered that have been provided so far, but yes the smearing at this point has arguably gotten worse than the aliasing ever was.

>>715977886
you can kinda have that with DLSR when comparing with DSR within nvidia settings
2x DLDSR has much better smoothing of compared to 2x DSR
but ofcourse 4x is ideal so no point in comparing that
I think the biggest issue is when you move the camera in the game and everything flickers due to crazy amount of subpixel detail in modern games so you need something that deals with jaggies while in motion

>>715977595
are you fucking braindead , you can't just take my words out of context and compare resolutions without comparing the device sizes, you got 4k and 8k resolutions because you needed screens the size of the football field you stupid mutt. it's a retarded argument that 1080p lacks pixels to show you a good image since everytime when you compare resolutions there's pixel density as well, if you have 2 monitors one at 4k and one at 1080 with the same pixel density in ppi the image has literally the same quality. or what's your next argument that in 4k the increased amount of pixels lets you see the electrons revolving around the atoms the main character's face is made of ?

>>715978282
Your argument basically boils down to "shrink the physical size of the display until the problems of the image are no longer visible" which is not an argument. 21-24" is the traditional size for 1080p screens and with that display size the visual issues are very clear with modern games.

>>715965891 (OP)
>games are not being optimized anymore that's why modern games suck!
>NOOOOO NOT LIKE THIS
Didn't read the thread but this is how I expect it to go

>>715965891 (OP)
I thought this was one of the conplaints against Intel arc cards

8GB? What do you need 4GB for?

>>715977184
If the card sucks, why are you so mad about it? Harry Potter sucks, but I don't shit up threads about it because I don't care.
You, on the other hand, are SO ANGRY that people are enjoying games in high fidelity.
>fake cocks fake balls fake anus
>worse than 240p low
But you have no experience with it, so you don't know.
>YouTube
Imagine watching low quality videos and thinking that's what games look like.

>>715978689
>enjoying smudge
>NOOOO IT'S YOU WHO'S COPING
ok bro , enjoy your muddy slop

>>715978185
>subpixel detail
Detail that's going to waste shouldn't have been put into the game in the first place.

>>715978185
>subpixel
do you have those in real life in your monitor ?

>>715966406
That's the culture that's been fostered on the site in the past few years. Shit social media screencaps, arguably even worse than article headline screencaps. Nobody knows how to link an article, nobody knows how to archive it to avoid the "giving them clicks" bit, all they know is how to repeat the "s-spoonfeeding bad!" bit they learned from kym.

>>715976715
>he sloppiest ugliest fake 4k output looks exactly as described, sloppy ugly fake and gay, native 1080p on a 24" monitor will look better in games everytime rather than upscaled 4k on you 32" 240 hz monitor
Performance mode of 4K DLSS (so 1080p to 4k) looks dramatically better than 1080p (TAA or no TAA, doesn't matter) while running much more smoothly than native 4K. FSR4 produces this effect too, anyone with 4K monitors and a modern graphics card can attest to this. You wouldn't be wrong if you called this cheating or not real 4K or that this approach will cause more issues down the road - but pretending your 1080p is somehow the bastion of quality and clarity is utterly ridiculous, anything that happens on your screen no matter its size will look like shit compared to 4K DLSS.

>>715965891 (OP)
why are nvidia so hellbent on not shipping midrange cards with more than 8gb when there've been games pushing over 8gb for years already?

>>715972916
>You should play these games that look like shit in 4k, I mean 1440p upscaled to 4k
No thanks

>>715981050
They want to make game engines dependent on nvidia hardware and software, to prevent games from being playable on competitor GPUs.

>>715981050
AIsloppers are a huge reason. If it weren't for them, you wouldn't need to buy an xx90 or workstation card to get a quantity of VRAM that wasn't already offered during the past 4 gens.

>>715980825
>ignoring pixel density
>t.actual retard

>>715981492
>but MUH PIXEL DENSITY
There are 27 inch 1080p displays and there are 27 inch 4k displays. Put two together and you can directly compare the visual quality side by side, apples to apples. Even the Performance mode of 4K DLSS will obliterate any 1080p mode in terms of motion clarity, detail, sharpness. For 1080p to compete you'd basically need to shrink it down to a phone-tier screen size so the physical display grid becomes small enough to hide the shortcomings.

>>715965891 (OP)
Oh boy, marginal technological improvements to justify not optimizing games for another couple years

>>715965891 (OP)
nvidia will do literally anything except give you enough vram
you just know that anything below a 6080 will not have 16 gigs

Watch how I make all these post dissapear

>>715982893
>>715983004
>>715983093
>>715983183
What does this mean?

>>715965891 (OP)
videogames?

>>715983343
Yes, if devs get their shit together they could make great looking games at higher resolutions and better quality textures with lower vram

>>715982757
>he thinks the 6080 will have 16GB of VRAM
Unless you meant the 6090, in which case you're right. 48GB of VRAM only $3999 MSRP (cheapest model available for purchase is $5499).
And for the gamers, the 6080 (one-third the core count of the 6090, 192bit bus w/ 12GB of VRAM) only $899! That's $100 less than the previous generation, what a steal!

>>715983472
5070S will have 18GB and that comes out next year.
Even jeVida can't stagnate for a decade.

>>715983456
but that will never happen

>>715983259
Ta-da!

>>715965891 (OP)
Wow, now I can get more input lag and less compute power because nvidia doesn't want to add more vram to the card.

>>715965891 (OP)
>what it should be
Vidya takes 8GB VRAM instead of 14GB VRAM
>what it will be
Textures are not optimized at all and every single rock now uses 30000x30000 texture, but with this new technology it still fits into 20GB VRAM

>>715982132
>2,073,600 pixels on 27" display
>8,294,400 pixels on 27" display
>apples to apples

>>715985237
you got a fucking bullet in your head

>>715984845
>Enclave
Absolutely based taste.

Is there actually a comparison image of these compressed textures somewhere, or are they lossless?