Imagine the lag.

>>715971082 (OP)
What I want to imagine is a better papacy mechanics.

I wish wish WISH Paracocks would FUCK OFF with the 3d models holy shit I dont give a FUCK what some gout-riddled faggot in the middle ages looks like

>>715971359
And this affects gameplay… how?

>>715971082 (OP)
This UI looks so ugly and soulless, like a mobile game, especially the retarded 3D head in the upper right corner.

>>715971518
Eats a massive amount of UI space for example, fucking dumbass

imagine having sex with THAT

>>715971082 (OP)
will this finally have multithreading?

>>715971676
looks like there’s some plenty of information on top of it chuddy
just because something makes you mald doesn’t mean it’s bad game design

>>715971082 (OP)
reminder they reworked/simplified Stellaris POPs 9years after release to finally get good performance late game, broke the game which works even worse now.

>>715971082 (OP)
I’d like if other civilizations also had a HRE mechanic. Ottomans should get some caliphate mechanic, otherwise it’s boring playing as them

>>715971359
You can turn off the 3D map and likely the 3D models themselves as well.

>>715971082 (OP)
>ugly mobile tier map
>hideous 3D Sims characters from CK3 and Vic3
>motherfucking head in the corner
WHY
WHY
THEY MADE THE PERFECT MAP BEFORE BY ACCIDENT

>>715972540
>Ottomans should get some caliphate mechanic, otherwise it’s boring playing as them
You mean a pashalik system

>>715971676
Just get an ultrawide lmao

>>715973000
>GSG with main character
fuck off

>>715973158
>monarchies are led by a monarch
woah…

>>715971082 (OP)
On the next HoI4 update we're getting mechanics meant to put soft caps on the limitless war production, which in theory should make the game much faster.
I'm a guy that likes doing long runs, but once you're past 1945 shit becomes way too slow.

>>715973158
I'm talking strictly about the design of the map here.
>GSG with main character
That's what EU5 will do with every randomly generated 1/3/1 retard having a 3D model to twitch emote in the menus

>>715971359
>>715973000
>2026
>indians get angry at your game if you dare to incorporate modern graphics

>>715973158
Roman Empire was the protagonist of history, chinx can't even compete

>>715971082 (OP)
HRE.... home

>>715972179
i really hate how they keep redesigning stellaris into different a different game every few years.

>>715973632
For me, it's warp drive + missiles

I don't think running a massive spreadsheet will make any modern computer lag, they can calculate millions of tris in real time.

>>715973449
Not buying your slop, Sven.

>>715973632
Stellaris is such a clusterfuck. None of the mechanics or systems properly interlink or mesh in any real way, everything is broken, intended features can spiral out of control and slow the game to a crawl, it's ridiculous. The last two or three DLCs have been entirely broken with no patches in sight, I have no idea what the fuck Paradox's problem is.

>>715971082 (OP)
I have a 5800x3d which is decent and EUIV still runs like dogshit past the 1550s with large slowdowns starting around the 1500s. I can't even imagine how bad it will be in EUV

>>715976148
>None of the mechanics or systems properly interlink or mesh in any real way,
Every DLC is just a stapled on mod with more menus that meshes with nothing in the game and ends up as more modifiers to stack.

when is it coming out
my expectations are rock bottom but i still want to give it a pirate for old times' sake

>>715971518
the requirement for 3d models completely killed a load of total conversion mods that could have made the jump from ck2 to 3, and made those that did manage to make that jump much uglier, like the warcraft one

>>715971518
Yes please do tell us what riveting gameplay 3d models bring, oh you cant because you've only played like 100 hours of eu4 and ck3 combined? Damn too bad they're catering to your casual bitch ass there to laugh at haha nude religion and cant even finish a full run.

>>715977361
skill issue

>>715974235
>I don't think
clearly

>>715977361
>and made those that did manage to make that jump much uglier, like the warcraft one
That's only because they're made by trannies

>>715977361
>the requirement for 3d models completely killed a load of total conversion mods that could have made the jump from ck2 to 3, and made those that did manage to make that jump much uglier, like the warcraft one
worked fine for the game of thrones and elder scrolls mods.

>>715978071
to be fair, its mostly the tranny ones that actually got over to ck3

>>715979659
they actually made Elagabalus a female even though they only evidence that he was a crossdresser came from christian monks hundreds of years later

>>715971082 (OP)
Dude, dude, dude, we totally needed to model and simulate the history of the 5 square mile Barony of Shitzenberg for 400 years!!!
If you disagree you're an Indian Jew Chinaman!!!

>>715972540
Basically every large nation before like 1700 should have an HRE mechanic because almost every one of them was massively decentralized and being the King meant herding 1000 cats at all times that each wanted to betray you or kill their neighbor over some centuries old blood feud.

>>715971082 (OP)
Everyone laughed at me when I got 64 gigs of RAM, but I'm telling you shit is getting worse out there.

>>715980517
>historical simulation game simulates history
wtf this is boring!!! where is the parrying and the rolling!!!

BOLY NOMAN BEMPIRE

>>715971082 (OP)
What's the obsession with gradient colours at nu-paradox? I don't get it. it looks UGLYYYYYYYYYYY. Just give me a READABLE map with flat colours and menus with flat colours or some texture but for the love of God NO GRADIENTS!!!!!
Also remove the 3D characters completely they are UGLY and add absolutely NOTHING to the game. Europa Universalis is a series about states not people. People are not interesting in the context of Europa Universalis.

>>715981047
Slay Girl!!1111

>>715980960
Only relevant countries need to be simulated.
No one cares about random Native tribes in America or Africa and no one cares about random microstates in Germany, either.

>>715981467
Macedon was a small random microstate on the edge of the known world and then they conquered it. You clearly don't even play eu(4) if you think tiny states are 'boring'. That's historical determinism. EU is about possible histories, not about simulating history exactly the way it did in OT. Besides all modern 'relevant' countries started from small microstates. Germany became so from prussia which came from brandenburg. Russia also started out as two dozen states duking it out until the Moscovites came out on top. But any other of those princedoms could've feasibly done it. In fact it's a bit shocking it wasn't Novgorod.

>>715973449
Jeets are the ones pushing for as much bloat as possible so the AI solutions must be implemented for DLSS and shit

>NOOOOOO MY PC I BOUGHT IN 2015 WILL LAG BECAUSE A OF A NEW RELEASED GAME IN 2025

Shut the fuck up you fucking faggots and get yourselkf a JOb and BUY yourself a new pc

>>715971082 (OP)
>329 HRE members
imagine MEIOUing that shit

>>715971082 (OP)
i'll be playing as whichever has the goofiest name

>>715971082 (OP)
when will PDX design a UI that isn't garbage

>>715982241
stop simping for Paradox these faggots can't do fucking anything right
there is no PC on this planet that can flawlessly run late game stellaris and this game will probably be the same

I really wish EU4 was more difficult. It sucks looking around and seeing everyone's standard just being a world conquest. It sucks, world conquests should be insanely difficult to pull off and impossible for some nations without incredible luck. But the solution shouldn't be some heavy-handed shit like coalitions where every nation on the continent wants to wage war because you took 3 provinces instead of 2.

>>715971082 (OP)
So was William the Conquer French or not?

>>715983787
Norman

okay /his/ and /v/ crossposters

where you dropping? for me, it's
>florentine republic -> medici kingdom of italy
>giga-comfy portugal colonial game
>dutch money printing

>>715983787
indisputably but it doesn't really matter, kings and nobility all over europe often weren't "native" to the areas they ruled. in the end, an english identity separate to france emerged post 100 years war-but prior to and during that conflict both kingdoms were within the same circle.

>>715984464
>giga-comfy portugal colonial game

this is it for me. colonial games are my favourite, and portugal is best because if you make friends with spain you are invincible for basically the entire game. just exploran and sailan and spice tradan

looking forward to Anbennar EU5 so I can spend another 1000 hours in the serpentspine

>>715984721
Last time I played Portugal Spain got their shit pushed in by France.

>>715984765
How is Anbennar these days? I remember some fag in their discord told me that if I waited a bit most of the world would have top to bottom custom content (portraits, unit sprites, etc)

curious to jump in but also I feel autistic because I'd be doing so without much knowledge of the war

>>715984464
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>>715984571
An English noble identity, the common folk didn't associate with French

>>715984464
the principality of Great Perm

>>715984464
>1337 start date
VGH....BYZANTIVM....

>>715984464
>obligatory Wallachia first run, home country and all
>nomadic underdog like the Jalayrids
>some tribe in bumfuck nowhere North America or Central Africa

Anyone try the Tianxia mod for ck2? It adds the rest of Eurasia and Japan

>>715985015
damn, ottomans were little bitches back then

How do you start with these games? Looks very cumbersome.

>>715984765
Krakhdumvror -> Aul-Dwarov was a horrible campaign, non-stop disasters. But I did get almost 300 dev at the capital by the end.
I can only imagine how horrible early game colonization will be in EU5 Anbennar with actual population.

>>715985328
Just pick any and start playing nigga.

I really want them to stop adding pajeet and muslim to bloat the shit out of the game
I'm pretty sure 99% of people only play as European lords
some muslims are fine since they are crusade game afterall
but jeet should just be off map shit like china

>>715984874
just had a big update recently and honestly it's really easy to get into lore wise, there's a lore primer at the start of every game that gives you the run down of the nation and region, wouldn't wait for "top to bottom custom content" that's got to be years away

only thing you really need to know is that !NotEurope broke the will of an orc invasion literally yesterday and year 0 was when the elves blew up their continent, everything else is fairly well explained in-game

>>715985328
youtube tutorials will help a little and they have tooltips ingame, but the majority of your learning will come from just playing the game.

>>715985407
They are there to be conquered. I always play a Greek and form a GRECO-PERSIAN-ARABIAN-INDIAN-CHINESE empire

>>715983568
I'd like for the culture (ethnicity) map painting to be more feasibly instead of requiring all your bird mana.

>>715985407
Imperial China is cool however, and feudal Japan will appeal to my inner weeb.
A shame they messed up India though, it just doesn’t feel unique compared to what came before it

>>715985389
>I can only imagine how horrible early game colonization will be in EU5 Anbennar with actual population.
well I guess it will end up somewhat aligning with the "canon" outcome in vic 3

>>715984874
Centaurs, Dwarves, Gnomes, Harpies, Lizardmen and Ruinborn don't have custom sprites yet and there's a whole blocked off continent.
Otherwise all races and regions of the world have at least one nation with recent content. If you're gonna play it, you might as well start now.

>>715985836
Horrifying.

>>715984464
Ungarn

>>715985836
>amldihr
>arg-ordstun
>verkal gulan
>all made it
all I care about, I'm happy

>>715983568
Read the Tinto Talks
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-talks-30-25th-september-2024.1705317/

>>715984464
I want to try the society / non-land having tags first because it's totally new to EUV (I know there's something similar in CK3, but it's different). So I will be playing as one of the non-landed Crusader Orders and going to find the Holy Grail in the Americas.

>>715971082 (OP)
CK3 basically grinds to a halt on 16gb RAM set up I don't think it will be playable once they add Asia. Better download all 64 for EUV.

Is this EU5
My first game will either be Castille or France, the yellow and blue blobs are always a comfy easy steamroll

>>715986029
They can say whatever about making it more difficult but they'll still make an achievement for it which means it is possible and a target, just something which is a pain to reach.

>>715973449
>2026
>zoomer get angry if someone doesn't like brainrot mobile game graphics

>>715985328
probably best to watch few episodes of a playthrough where the guy explains what he is doing and why, then hop into the game and check the wiki/search the interwebs as needed

>>715985328
play an idiot proof nation like France or if you're gay Ottomans

>>715984765
based, one of the best dwarf experiences in gaming

>>715985328
Play one of the easier countries where you can make a million mistakes and barely understand basic mechanics and still come on top, then slowly you get a grasp

>>715987491
It took me ~1500 hours to have my first Ottomeme game, the only challenge is if you shift away from Islam because holy shit their default government form is broken.

>>715973000
stop being a fucking faggot

>>715971082 (OP)
I cannot fucking wait to steal this shit.

>>715985328
Watch a few episodes one decent up-to-date lets play to figure out how all the systems work, and then dive in and realize that you don't have to bother managing most systems all that deeply.

>>715971359
i would've preferred a era accurate randomly generated template based on the paintings
like that game Fields of Glory
and make it appropriate styles for every region

>>715971359
cope and seeth
t. real johannn

>>715989590
streamlined aesthetics and functionality andsimplicity is part of swedish autism
non scandi modders surely will fix that :)

>>715990127
there is nothing streamlined about these 3D models though

>>715971359
Please understand, they hired a bunch of them years ago and they NEED to get their money's worth out of them

History bros shill me your european nation of choice and why it is the best

>>715990493
The Holy Roman Empire. Because it was Holy, Roman, and an Empire.

What is Paradox's new obsession with mobile game UI design? It was like this in Victoria 3 as well. Why do good things always have to turn to shit over time?

>>715990635
I heard contradicting statements in that regard.

>>715990493
Aesthetic borders, great color scheme, and they deserved to win

>>715990493
Gaul because they set the (super aesthetic) standard for helmet design in antiquity

So what was the revenge for the Fall of Constantinople?

>>715971518
>have a cool idea for a mod
>if you want it to be immersive you now have to animate every leader of a country with any significance

>>715990493

I'll give you a few across a couple posts.

The game starts in 1337-the "late middle ages." Some key events and nations;

>The 100 Years War (England/France)
Ever since the Normans (from Normandy) invaded England and seized the throne, an akward situation arose in which English nobles held land in France and vice versa. As a result, conflict arose between the two crowns-when Edward III of England attempted to seize the throne of France for himself, it lead to a century long conflict between France and England for control of the two kingdoms.

>Vijayanagara Empire
In EU4, France is Europe's "big blue blob." In India, Vijayanagara is the big yellow blob; it was an enormous Hindu Empire which ruled most of southern India, and lasted until the 1650s. Following the defeat of Muslim conquerers in Northern India and the collapse of Muslim rule in the south.

>Byzantine Empire
The "Byzantine Empire", aka the remanants of the Eastern Roman Empire, is in dire straits. Having lost most of its territories to either Balkan powers or the ever-expanding Ottoman Turks from the east, it is quite firmly in decline. In EU4, you start in 1444-shortly before the Ottomans took Constantinople and the last vestige of the "Roman Empire" fell forever. This time, you're 100 years earlier-and can maybe reverse their fortunes.

>Florence
Florence is one of many Italian Republics; it is notable in particular for the famous "Medici" family, a prominent family of bankers who came to wield tremendous poltiical influence. While EU5 starts a little before they truly came to prominence (Medici Bank wasn't until 1397) you can guide them to greatness; EU4 starts in the final years of Cosimo de' Medici as ruler of Florence-probably the most famous of them.

>>715991235
anon it'll be no different from adding a character to ck3 or vic3

>>715990493
>Dithmarschen
>A bog full of ALPHA CHAD peasants
>Nobility and church make dozens of attempts to conquer them
>The Chad peasants kick their ass every time.
>until 1559 when they actually get conquered
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpAgFSwCKxM

>>715991476
I dont know how to do that though

>>715990778
I hate how their decision tree in EU4 is
>Become Netherlands
>Become France

>>715991514
meant to say that they maintained their quasi independence for about 500 years
Each generation basically had to fight off an invasion

>>715990493
Venice, the fucking HEIR to Rome founded by Romans escaping the barbarians. They even took down the fake Roman GAYreeks and outjewed the Jews. A republic that lasted a thousand years, before being destroyed by Napoleon.

>>715971082 (OP)
>The fucking victoria3_animated_flag-imported.gif in the top left corner beside the 3D portrait that looks like something from 2011

>>715991865
ywnbaw

>>715990493
>>715991443
Those are some of the nations interesting at the very start of the game-but others will be interesting shortly afterwards.

For example; Colonial Nations. A huge part of EU games is the discovery and exploration of the Americas and beyond. This doesn't really tend to happen until a while after the start date (in EU4 it was typically the 1500s, you start in the 1300s) but it is a huge part of the game.

>Portugal
The "tutorial nation" for colonising; you are situated in Iberia, with your only neighbour being Castile (which will likely later become Spain) who are usually friendly. England also tend to be friendly with you; you have no land connections to hostile nations, and are generally isolated from most risk.

You are also best poised to get first dibs on the new world; you can follow history and sail around Africa to colonise the Indian Ocean whilst founding colonies like Brazil, or you can go crazy with it and try beat Spain to the punch and grab more of the Americas.

>Castile (aka, Spain)
Portugal's bigger brother, you will do the same colonial stuff but will have some bigger issues too. Iberia is divided into multiple Christian Kingdoms with the last Muslim entity being Granada in the south-finishing the Reconquista for Christendom will be vital.

However, in order to unite the various Kingdoms under your rule to become the VERY powerful Kingdom of Spain, you need to keep your neighbours friendly through diplomacy/marriages or simply through military might. As you marry your way into lands all over Europe, you'll find yourself close to the "universal monarchy" with Spain becoming one of the most powerful nations in Europe for much of the game.

Colonise most of the Americas, annex lands through dynastic links, remove Muslims, enjoy infinite gold and don't listen to woke mobs crying about "inflation."

>>715985328
The fun is in figuring out what the mechanics are and what you should care about in a sea of information by which you're bombarded. Once you do that then you're left with trying to get achievements because they make you play at least on normal difficulty and you can't cheat while providing you with a clear objective and end goal for your playthrough because you're not going to play the game until it definitively ends.

For example you go from being terrified of playing as Ethiopia to realising why Ethiopia's pretty strong relatively speaking (for example you start with Empire rank + you can easily have Defender of the Faith on since you will be the only Coptic country in the game) and in your achievement hunt you end up having to take out the Ottomans which is the strongest country at the start of the game.

>>715992003
YWNBAR(oman)

>>715992018
>Castile (aka, Spain)
I'm interested in them
Wish they were paler

>>715992206
Just know that Spain is not the Emperor.

>>715992206
We are pale.
The niggas in the south are tan because it's sunny and there are some gypsies.

>>715992206
if they wanted to be paler then they shouldn't have existed so close to the equator and mixed with the moors

>>715992018
>>715990493
Two other very popular nations are England and Prussia.

>England
As said in prior posts, you start off in a VERY different England to the one in EU4. King Edward III has made England go from a relatively backward/lackluster Kingdom to an incredibly powerful one-and he's hoping to seize the throne of France, which would propel his power (and that of England) to an insane degree.

However, there's a lot more to look forward to. When the Protestant reformation hits, England gets its own religion (Anglicanism) and also has to worry about the British Isles; Ireland is absolutely not under your control yet, nor is Scotland. You'll have to deal with both to unite the islands and form "Great Britain." You are also a coloniser nation-you are often a bit later to the party, and will have to contest with Spain's insane strength to assert your own early Empire.

>Brandenburg (aka, Prussia)
You will have seen memes about them.

Brandenburg was a backwards shithole in northern Germany, which was eventually fixed up by the Hohenzollern dynasty. These are the big military guys; your goals are typically to embrace the Protestant Reformation and expand your territory within the Holy Roman Empire through both military might and diplomatic prowess.

Eventually you can form Prussia-usually one of the most powerful military nations in the game. Very fun rags-to-riches run. Speaking of

>Holy Roman Empire
The ugly messy border gore Germany/Italy is the Holy Roman Empire (HRE). A highly decentralised "Empire" of states big and small, with an elected "Emperor." You can try to form nations within it (like Prussia) or reform and unify it (usually the goal of Austria with the Habsburg dynasty). Very fun, very autistic.

>>715992206
>Wish they were paler
You reach enlightenment when you see a terminally online Iraqi that doesn't go outside and looks identical to any European south of the Danube.

>>715992206
Castile -> Spain is a VERY fun game.

You will be balancing domestic nobles who don't like not being in charge, dynastic links that give you lands everywhere from Italy to the Netherlands, your BIG colonial Empire, and much more.

It is the closest thing to a European superpower for most of the early game; the others that come later will be stuck fighting one another or developing themselves to stand up to you.

Really, really cool game. You can very easily marry+colonise your way into world domination.

>>715990493
Rvssia, Muscovy will surely be my 1st playthrough in eu5. I like what Russia represents, it's an icon of Reactionism, traditional values etc. I'm a Slav so I love all my brothers. I also like how different Russia is, in pretty much every aspect, compared to the other European nations. My country is just another kiked shithole, only the language and how much you earn separate it from the other EU countries. Meanwhile Russia walks its own path.
And in games like hoi4 and eu4, you can easily become a hegemon who is able to take on the rest of Europe by yourself

>LEET start date
looking forward to having a Orleanist monastic order France again but this time with Joan of Arc herself at the head

Muscovy (aka, Russia) is another fantastic campaign.

It will be a literally different in 1337 than to EU4 in 1444, but the broad campaign themese remain the same; you are the Slavs, a Christian people living under the oppressive rule of the Mongolian and Turkic Khanates, which control much of the area. You will, over time, grow in power and consolidate the other Slavic nations around you-before finally taking the fight to the Mongols.

If successful, you will be in a fascinating position; a vast Christian realm with the vast steppes to the east of you. Consolidate the lands to found the Tsardom of Russia, slowly make your way east through conquest and colonisation, and declare yourself as the "Third Rome"-potentially even eventually marching south to destroy the Ottomans. Kino campaign.

>>715993073
UVH

question, do any of you actually buy all the DLC?
I've always pirated paradox games because of the way they just shit out DLC (most of it garbage)

Is Japan in?

>>715993245
I've never bought anything, I pirated them all.

>>715993245
no. thank you creaminstaller

Are they going to release a finished game or just a barebones framework that they'll dripfeed DLC onto for the next five years?

>>715993245
Use creamapi if based or get a subscription if cringe, not having all released mods fucks with game balance so cherry picking won't be good

>>715993289
Yeah. The only parts that probably won't be in are
>natives in the new world (aztecs/incas might make it, that's probably it)
>sub saharan african nations that aren't mali
>probably SE asian nations
the rest will all be there.

they will, however, inevitably be "fleshed out" later.

>>715971082 (OP)
lmao 2hesse

>>715993245
buying the base game and pirating the dlc is the most optimal. You get an easy access to all the mods and updates without spending a fortune on the jewish dlc policy. Also I play only hoi4, eu4 and vic2, the other games are garbage. Ck2 is probably good but I'm not that interested in it

The most fun I had with these games was Ethiopia and Bohemia. All of the big powers go to colonization which is boring

>>715991692
Nigga you go for Lotharingia, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>715993861
Haven't played it in years since they introduced the mission trees.

>>715991692
Can't they become Lotharinga these days as well?

>>715990493
Ottomans ;)

>>715994167
why would you use 4chan if you are brown? I seriously dont get it

>>715994257
only insecure underagefags get pissy about the ottomans.

ottoman campaigns in EU4 are very fun, and ottoman history is very interesting. "muh rome" fags are insufferable faggots

>>715992018
>As you marry your way into lands all over Europe, you'll find yourself close to the "universal monarchy"
Does EUV grant the player more control over which dynasty ends up ruling a country? EUIV had too much RNG when it came to the PU game.

>>715994417
if you weren't brown you wouldn't give a fuck about a backwards brown muslim shithole. Why can't you just say "yes, I'm brown". It's always this weird avoidance of the topic with you

>>715971082 (OP)
Get a better pc?

>>715994435
I believe the system has been fleshed out.

Now the marriages are actual people (not just invisible relatives of whatever dynasty is on the throne) so yeah, provided you plan it well you'll have much more control. Assumedly there will be optional rail-roading events to "restore" historic dynasties, like the Austrian Habsburg one in EU4.
>>715994525
>le backwards ottomans
The backwards Ottomans that were regarded by most of Europe as an existential threat to many Kingdoms and which were the target of a disasterous and failed Crusade.

People who actually play these games or who enjoy history do not seethe about Turkfags because the campaign is fun and the history is interesting. Ironically it is often brown americans who get all in their ass about it. In EU5 the region will be even more fun because the Ottomans aren't dominant yet; you can try restore Byzantine rule, or take the Turks in a different path. Or say fuck it and have Balkanfags swoop in and kill them all.

>>715993245
i have one friend with way too much disposable income who actually buys all dlc for stellaris and eu4. people like him are the reason they keep doing it.

>>715993245
For CK3 I have, every other time I just downloaded it.

>>715994761
where are you from

>>715990493
>flanders/netherlands for STONKS and comfy colonization
>burgundy for asshole clenching moments and total domination over all of europe
>hungary and bohemia for personal union vassal swarms and GOLD
>ingurland/ireland/scotland for either total european dominance or comfy colonization and COAL
>riga to sweat bullets just by existing and MASSIVE STONKS
>PUCCIA for bullying your neighbors and mindless colonization (not comfy until you get to alaska and california, but portugal and spain usually have a solid grip on it so it just fucking sucks), also GOLD and iron scumming in siberia
>byzantium for VGH moments, kebab removal and muh roman empire
>papal states for DEUS VULT and excommunicating french/austrian.spanish cunts
>spain or portugal for easy mode with comfy colonization
Most fun I've had was as Jewish Mutapa, insanely tough start for an achievement. Also the entire Inca mission tree, it's broken and super super fun.

>>715994830
>TELL ME WHERE YOU'RE FROM
>GRRRRR YOU MUST BE BROWN
>BECAUSE YOU PLAY THE WRONG NATION IN THE VIDEO GAME

I am from Ireland, you dopey retard. I am not so ruthlessly cucked that I will refuse to pay huge swathes of a video game I paid for (pirated). Are you insecure about your race or something?
That being said, I do rarely meet people who play actual African nations because all of the non-north African ones (Morocco, Tunis, etc) would bore anyone to fucking tears.

But plenty of the most fun and popular EU4 campaigns include Ottomans, Japan, China, India, etc. Don't be an insecure faggot

>>715995142
He probably thinks you're brown because you wrongly referred to the Ottomans as Europeans. I have to agree with him, Turks aren't Europeans.

>>715995284
Gameplay wise, they are though. For some reason, half of Anatolia counts as Europe.

>>715995284
Oh, did I? I'm not >>715994167 and only just now see what he was replying to.

Ah, well. Still, Ottomans were a fun campaign and their history is cool when you don't have 14 year olds on /pol/ in your ear telling you that it isn't

>>715995142
>I am from Ireland
So you aren't white.

>>715993245
I got EU4 with all its DLC in a Humble Bundle for like 25€$ before Lions of the North, bought every single one since.
Otherwise creampi for Paracuck content.
I did recently blow over 150€$ on all of CK2 during a sale, I've been playing it for over a decade, might as well pay for it.

>>715993245
Im not poor
Why wouldnt I buy them all?

>>715995352
Yeah, they're a great antagonist of history and are still causing trouble for humans to this day.

Any good modlists for CK3 while the autists are here? The game is waaaay too easy

>>715995142
you could still lie but whatever. Anyway, now that you have written all that I see there is a great difference between us. I love playing tall, I pick a nation and achieve its historical borders (or ones that make sense) and then puppet the other ones. I dont like blobbing. I need to be immersed in the playthrough, playing a brown nation just doesnt do it for me. Russia is perfect for me, not only do I like it irl and I'm interested in its history etc, but purely from the gameplay perspective you will expand a lot just to reach the historical borders and there is a lot of flavor for Russia. I love playing Byz too.

>>715995527
what are you doing lol
just play ck2

>>715995142
>>715995535
forgot to mention, but how can you call Ottos fun to play when they are quite literally the strongest nation at the game start? The game is piss easy anyway, playing Ottos might be a good way to fight insomnia

>>715995367
epic bro, be sure and screencap this to so the boys on /int/ how you won another victory for the white race on the video game board kek
>>715995380
last DLC I bought was conquests of paradise. just pirated everything else. The "starter edition" is the price of a full priced game, surprised the devs aren't Israeli.
>>715995493
>antagonist of history
At times, sure. They were seen by much of Europea as an existential threat...or simply as a powerful nation to be used against enemies, like King Francis I of France believed when he was trying to skullfuck the Austrians.

Applying marvel goodguy badguy theory to history is for retards and americans.
>>715995535
I actually prefer tall nations too but found them kind of dull in EU4 unless they were colonial. I find the Ottomans fun more for the expansion into Arabia/North Africa, the annoying shit in the balkans with the christian population was just a chore to me.

I also do the "immersion" thing (I often open a word document and write a "history" of what I'm doing) but also can only really do it for nations I can identify with somewhat. Ottoman campaigns are fun for me purely mechanically, but other nations like Netherlands/Florence/England/Russia are much more narrative driven.

>>715995696
Same way I find Portugal fun I guess. I play Portugal when I want a comfy colonising game, I sometimes play the Ottomans when I want a fun land conquest game that doesn't get me tangled up in too much autistic shit with Europe

>>715995849
>Applying marvel goodguy badguy theory to history is for retards and americans.
Na, Turks and the Ottoman family were open peadophiles who snatched little boys to use as slave soldiers and sex slaves. Fratricide was also basically state policy for members of the ruling dynasty. They were just evil to the core, like comically evil. You'd have an evil empire in a show or book and if they acted like the Ottomans people would go they're too cartoonishly evil.

>>715992206
then you will be pleased to know that they were essentially the main character of the 16th & 17th centuries

>>715995849
>>715995909
I don't really play eu4 anymore, because beating the AI is piss easy, I honestly can't imagine booting up the game just to play a colonial game as Portugal where you dont do anything. I can no longer be immersed when the AI is simply not competent enough to offer any challenge. I'm Polish (and I like Russia, woowiee) and I went for a no-Lithuania run a long time ago. I just wanted to get the eastern borders of Poland before ww2, Prussia and maybe Silesia, don't remember now. I barely expanded, just kept declaring wars for money and by playing tall I was by far the strongest country in Europe 100 years into the game. I've only got 1k hours so it's not the deep autism territory but I dont think I can play this game anymore, because my prefered playstyle is unfortunately the meta in this game. Maybe I'd try to get all the achievements if not for the cancer like "do a wc with a shithole island opm " or "just savescum and beat the entire Europe as Ottomans"

>>715995527
There are no modlists to make that game harder anon. I've tried it all. You just end up stacking regiments and steamrolling europe anyways, except now your fancy modlist lets you live one year longer because you decided to smell the local flowers of the region in the middle of nowhere you started that for some reason some modder decided to make a flavor event pack for.

>>715995527
It's The Sims Medieval with all the fun removed, you can't fix it.
CK2 is still king.

>>715971082 (OP)
what worries me is that EU4 (and most other Paradox games) have an issue where you pretty much wrap up your playthrough and accomplishment everything you want to outside of a world conquest and are by far the strongest faction on the map by little past mid-game, I am well burnt out on campaigns by 1800

and Paradox decides to set the starting date back another hundred years and add even more years on a playthrough

>>715996946
Yeah, no-one is sticking around to the late game unless they're doing a World Conquest or roleplaying or trying to get the cheevo for it (usually there's a play until the end date achievement). Totally bizarre to me, unless they're really making it much harder to expand (I doubt it)

is EU4 good without any of the addons?

>>715998158
>unless they're really making it much harder to expand
the second problem,
Paradox trying to address the snowballing usually results in mechanics that boil down to more sitting around and waiting, padding with tedium essentially
the only good way to kill time is to wage war and you can't always do that feasibly

>>715999373
very bare bones and many countries will lack flavor