Sometimes I make the mistake of wishing /v/ would, but most importantly COULD. Talk about videogames.

Because I think the lack of actual videogame threads is a symptom of an inability to actually talk about videogames meaningfully and indepth.

People will point to the generic problems; The gacha spam, The coomer subhuman spam, The Eceleb spam, The Twitter Screenshot spam, The quasi generals etc.

But thats just the "obvious" problems. Atleast for those who pretend that their particular threads are more vidoegames because its more immediately tangential.

Even looking at a more necessarily "videogames" thread like the perpetual Deltarune threads. Nobody is talking about videogames. Everything is a meme about deer, or "rape", or love interests, and such. And even when the actual game itself is talked about. Youre more likely to hear talk about the music than the actual game.

One might say "youre just nitpicking a particular general about a particular game that isnt particularly gameplay heavy, and is more story focused". To that id say youre missing the point.

Everything is a "meme" which to me is essentially a reductive representation of a feeling, thought or experience through pictures, drawing, and text.

If I look at a Donkey Kong Bananza thread. Not a single person can actually talk about the gameplay itself. Everything is abstracted to a set collection of commonly circulated easy to understand (and therefore hollow) characteristics to support a narrative or counter narrative
"Its too easy"
"Its just fun"
"Its soul"
"Its soulless"
I'm both sidesing, because its not about which side is right, its that there is a narrative that creates sides at all, that defines the game, not the game itself.

There have been multiple threads on games I've wanted to make here that I decided against simply because I dont think it could matter, the only reason to express thought publically is to entertain new perspectives. But there are no "unique perspectives". Only narratives.

>>715975806 (OP)
Yeah I realized that when this whole board sucked up the DEI woke Clare expedition 33 slop

>>715975886
Well, youre likely probably part of the problem using words like DEI slop. But to be fair, youre right in that Expedition 33 is the most narrativized game of all time in recent times since maybe only BotW, and when "freedom" became the favourite word of retards.

E33 is probably unironically the game that killed my interest in participating in the board, because I was going to do a write up on it so big, that it would need 2 seperate threads. But realized with all the narratives, it would be pointless. Videogames will never ever be allowed to be talked about meaningfully indepth

>>715976153
I only say the 'dei woke' not for the politics brainrot but because its effective way that says
>this is literally the same story that current industries tells every single time and never anything different

>>715976347
Sure. I understand and agree. I dont really know how somebody can confidently praise E33 and shit on something like TLOU. When its the same basic type of story (with worse gameplay).

I remember not too long ago people would decree invisible walls all the time, but when games like E33 do it, suddenly its forgotten. Its proves a theory ive always had, that people post hoc look for criticism for games they already dont want to like or dont think they SHOULD like.

Most people here are not level designers and have no plans to be. I would search for gamedev forums but I have a feeling nobody good has the time to reveal detailed synopses. There are probably already busy stealing what they can for their own game.

>another essayfag thread about his martyr complex

>>715975806 (OP)
I'm afraid you have a severe case of ligma, and I'm sorry but there is no cure

>>715977094
You dont need to be a level designer to talk about videogames indepth. Infact, id argue the average videogame developer isnt even that creatively engaged with videogames. Theyre obsessed with finding ways to communicate how to play the game, or progress as smoothly as possible. Basically the equivalent of behavioural economics, but for videogames. Moreso than any principles of level design and mechanical cohesion.
Hence: Yellow Paint. Which I dont even think is the actual problem, just a symptom of it.

>>715977274
when will essayfag get over the fact that he cant save /v/?

>>715977521
I'm not trying to save /v/. I am trying to cope with the fact that I browse this shit site almost everyday and despite that have almost no desire to post in it.

Yeah only the souls threads have good discussion nowadays because souls players are 500 iq.

>>715978508
Thats not true, what made you think that is true? There are like a dozen "UUUUHHHHMMMM idk if Dark Souls 1 was actually that good" threads

Do you believe video games are gesamptkuntzwerk?

>>715979392
What the fuck does that mean?

you're right half the time essayfag

the problem is you're retarded, wrong and a nigger faggot half the other time so no one takes you seriously and everyone hates your guts

Jerk yourself off in private like the rest of us pal

>>715975806 (OP)
People talk about video games deeply in tons of different genres every day. If you spent less time lamenting about the state of the board and more time fostering discussion about the things you're interested in, you'd see more posts like that. You have to put out good seeds for conversation just as much as other people do.

Oh okay. What do you want to talk about?

>>715980082
The actual problem is that his posts are far longer than they need to be to get the point across.

>>715980217
>If you spent less time lamenting about the state of the board and more time fostering discussion about the things you're interested in, you'd see more posts like that. You have to put out good seeds for conversation just as much as other people do.
kek kill yourself retard assumption basing retard that can only assume reality to craft a narrative that is convenient for you to shut down.
you dont know shit about me.
before I quit there wasnt a single person that talked about videogames more than me, let alone as indepth as me on this board.
dumbass retard.

Its RETARDS like this that just say shit without thought or basis, so as to create a narrative in response to something they dont like instead of engaging directly with and proving wrong that criticism.

instead its simply enough to just say "no actually, the opposite thing of what you said is true". kys

>>715980692
I'm just gonna go back to talking about video games.

>>715975806 (OP)
Take your meds, schizo.

>>715980782
what makes it "schizo"?

>>715980427
no the problem he's an adhd idiot who doesnt play or enjoy games but just worships and regurgitates youtuber opinions so he gets exposed every single time

>>715980942
>so he gets exposed every single time
lol, ive never been exposed for any opinion. stalked? yes, by subhuman obsessive losers like you, protected by mods

>>715980879
Delusions and lack of self-awareness.

>>715980021
Google is your friend

>>715980879

Longer than three sentences.

the art of essay...is dead

Why do you come to an image board for intellectual discourse

>>715983040
where else is one supposed to go? also id hardly call "videogame design" talk "intellectual"
read this and tell me if youd call it intellectual discourse even though its one sided because the board is shit. this is one of my most recent indepth threads
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/712864447

>>715983325
You could go to 8kun, or you could start a personal blog under a pseudonym.

>>715983793
>or you could start a personal blog under a pseudonym.
did you somehow not read this?>>715975806 (OP)
>the only reason to express thought publically is to entertain new perspectives. But there are no "unique perspectives". Only narratives.
I dont express thought for the sake of it man. Theres no fucking point to it then unless im gaining some engaging perspective

>>715983325
All I'm getting from this is you haven't played La-Mulana so you don't know what you're talking about.

>>715984048
retard.

>>715984000
Then you are a narcissist seeking validation. Only a fool would have other perspectives as a prerequisite to putting his own thoughts out there.
I mean, for fuck's sake. You could just collect your old posts and dump them on a wordpress page so you can link that instead of relying entirely on the archives.

Didn't read a single post but I can confindently say OP is a nigger tranny retarded faggot

>>715984089
I'm not gonna read 5,000 words on the nature of Metroidvanias by some guy who hasn't even played a foundational classic.

>>715980340
I have a feeling this https://youtu.be/zeCBSMs0fH8
will be my AAA GOTY, assuming the indies I think will come out this year do.
And I kind of want to talk about why I think itll be the secret actual AAA GOTY

>>715984336
Retard. It would be more "narcissistic" not that its using the world correctly either way. To make a blog, when blogs are just purely about some random retards feelings and thoughts on matters. /v/ is used more like a blog to talk about their pet political problem bothering them. Its not about anything substantive or meaningful, its just about validating feelings. Saying something without care or regard for what an opposer could say or want to say. That is why they are ALWAYS framed as simple characterizing narratives that only appeal to the type of retards that are already predisposed to the perspective.

No serious intelligent person is simply calling something "soul" in anticipation or consideration of possible criticism or contention. They are essentially saying "I AM LIKE YOU, PLEASE VALIDATE AND CIRCULATE" to their pet group

My threads are actual analysis. That should be engaged with to be disproved, or elaborated upon with something new

kek filtered by /v/

these are the kinds of bots allowed to talk about videogames btw

>>715975806 (OP)
>Why does this board full of people who don't play videogames never talk about the gameplay of videogames
It is a mystery

>>715985212
>Third person Avowed
pass

>>715975806 (OP)
There's still plenty of threads about good games, it's just that almost all of them are 15 years old or more. /v/ is shit because there are no new games to talk about.
Well, unless it's an actual trainwreck like Balan Wonderworld

>>715975806 (OP)
What do you wanna talk about
I would like to talk about something like kcd2 it's scale, interactivity and ai and compare it to other games but that's too much for v

>>715986770
I have indeed heard good things about this games interconnection yet, but its never talked about earnestly, because everybody seems to either hate it or the creator, so I cant tell if the interconnection is just basic and superfluous (read >>715983325 for indepth thoughts on shortcuts and interconnectivity, thats not even my complete thoughts, but its my best organized i think)
and besides i really dont like games centered around loot and grinding

>>715987201
>There's still plenty of threads about good games, it's just that almost all of them are 15 years old or more.
Thats not true. Infact threads about old games are some of THE most subject to narratives out of any game, if you want to see how /v/ talks about old games when theyre not old games, just look at any expedition 33 thread for the kind of mindless brainless circlejerking narrative imposing about le modern stories and turnbased vs active.

Youre probably unironically a retarded uncritical bot.

>/v/ is shit because there are no new games to talk about.
>Well, unless it's an actual trainwreck like Balan Wonderworld

You are 100% part of the problem retard

>>715986890
Does Avowed have puzzle solving and focused traversal mechanics/gimmicks?
If so. I need to check it out. But i have a feeling thats not actually true and that youre actually just a retard likening something based on percieved superficial similarities

>>715987630
>I would like to talk about something like kcd2 it's scale, interactivity and ai
What do you have to say about it?
Simplifying for the sake of understanding. To me their are two types of "immersive/interactive mechanics" that are actual gameplay. The purposeful kind. And the kind for its own sake.

A very simple example of the purposeful kind, and how you can know its purposeful, is shaking the baby in Death Stranding.

Immediately you know its immersive, because it is something you would only ever do in real life. Something you would never see in a videogame unless it is a hyper specific baby caring simulator. And because it has a non immediate purpose.

Shaking the baby, soothes the baby, so that you can still detect BTs ahead of time, to either avoid them, or prepare to encounter and deal with them, wherein you also have to hold your breath, which is based on your stamina, which is also based on you keeping rested along your journey and literally laying down/sleeping, etc etc.

You see how all these simple immersive mechanics all feed into eachother to create a whole?

I already established why theyre immersive, and then next, why they are purposeful.

I have heard of other games with "immersive" mechanics like RDR2 or KCD1/2 but they always seem to lack the purposefulness and instead are simply immersive, because thats what people at the time would or might have to do. But there isnt really any inherent reason to engage with those mechanics outside of it maybe being necessary.

And what this ends up doing, is revealing the ultimate simplicity of said mechanics. A videogame will NEVER allow you to be truly immersive until youre able to lift each individual finger and it not be a finger lifting simulator or something that focuses solely on one thing. Im being a bit hyperbolic but maybe you get the point.

Which means these mechanics have to be stacked and layered to hide their inherent superficiality.

kek this nigga tryna have a conversation with himself wtf

>>715988387
>if you want to see how /v/ talks about old games when theyre not old games
and a good ching chong to you too

>>715985212
what the fuck, this looks abysmally generic and painfully soulless, a low budget janky nu-gow clone with a braindead sidekick constantly yapping in your ear, braindead linear traversal in stock unreal levels, non-puzzles and uninspired combat

what the fuck do you see in this AA drivel

>>715975806 (OP)
>deltarune
>dk
what do you want people to discuss about the gameplay? deltarune is a tranny game with no substance and dk is platforming and smashing things. Pick up Nioh 3 and I guarantee you will get what you want.

>>715988387
>why is no one talking about video game, I am so smart and intellectual, kneel before my superiority
>call everyone that disagree with him a bot and double down
Well, that was easy to answer, thank you chat GPT.

>>715990604
"smarty pants" type retard. literal npc speak, dumbasstard.

>>715990412
>Pick up Nioh 3 and I guarantee you will get what you want.
Memes about how Dark Souls and Sekiro is mash r1 while Nioh is le sophisticated? Yeah no. You must be joking.

Ill make sure to check out the next Nioh thread I see though to see if its changed.

>>715990172
>what the fuck, this looks abysmally generic and painfully soulless, a low budget janky nu-gow clone with a braindead sidekick constantly yapping in your ear, braindead linear traversal in stock unreal levels, non-puzzles and uninspired combat
I want you to first of all take a second to collect yourself and gain the self awareness to realize that you are doing the EXACT thing I talk about in the OP regarding appealing to easy to understand preconcieved characteristics.

Once you recognize and understand this. I will answer your question, and await to be proven wrong.

>>715989292

I think the DS example's kinda restrictive and not the impressive. A lot of the immersive stuff in KCD2 actually serves a purpose, especially in Hardcore Mode(way it's meant to be played), where you gotta eat, sleep,brew, take care of yourself, ask NPCs for directions, and respect their schedules.

NPCs actually having routines and reacting properly adds a lot to the immersion. Some people find that stuff annoying, but for others, it gives a sense of belonging and makes it feel real. Traveling long distances just to find a tavern to sleep in or ask about quests really adds to the vibe.
For example, the last act of KCD1 is great 'cause you go across the whole map looking for people, items, and bandits. But by then, you've already been doing that the whole time
slow and steady
so it feels like a proper payoff. You already know the right priest, the butcher with the most meat, and the armorer with the best stuff

>>715990951
I understand everything, I especially understand that you are a clueless moron who doesnt grasp basic industry trends and how the sausage is made. I watched that whole video and there's not a single moment that showcases interesting traversal or interactivity or puzzles or interesting anything, but instead all I see is multiple cancerous red flags on display. the last time you deluded yourself wiith your secret GOTY nonsense was with the bethesda indiana jones which anyone with half a brain could see was braindead generic crap and you never came back to admit it, this looks even worse

you're the one shilling it, so you explain to us what genius you're the only one in the world to see in this generic aa crap

chatGPT training thread

>>715975806 (OP)
The gameplay is fucking simplistic anyway, what is there to discuss? Picrelated were real videogames.

>>715991162
while there's no ultimate game, many people dream of one that feels as real and lived in as possible
a world where you can take any job and live accordingly, or even watch NPCs sleep like a creep, or watch em mourn the death of their loved ones, and search for the killer.

KCD2 is a step in that direction, and I appreciate that more than any story or single cool mechanic.

>>715991162
>I think the DS example's kinda restrictive and not the impressive.
Thats an arbitrary characterization that has nothing remotely to do with gameplay. Both because how "impressive" and "restrictive" something is, is both too relative and subjective.

For one, one could say its "restrictive" to need to sleep every night to operate ones body at peak performance, but no videogame will ever be able to get even close to matching the precision of "control" that a human has over their body in real life. Again I can just refer back to the lifting fingers analogy.

Funnily, youve reminded me of something else I dont like about videogame discussion ever since I first played Classic Tomb Raider.

Because I remember arguing with people over Tomb Raider vs Mario 64.

And the contrast I am depicting between a relative percpetion of "restrictiveness" vs what can only be contrasted by "freedom" or control. Is at play here too. Because Tomb Raider actually allows far more precise and specific control over Lara than Mario and his slippery ass controls, but because the level design in TR actually punishes you for playing poorly, whereas the level design for Mario is so "open" and lax, that the point of the levels often isnt even overcoming any obstacle, but rather completing some arbitrary task, it means the standards for moving mario well are more "freeing", and id argue abstract, aka disconnected from what youre actually doing.

Why does it matter? Because it explains how Mario fans can list how many moves he technically has and can do, to prove M64 has more "freedom" despite the fact that 90% of those moves are superfluous and their effect or "purpose" (not real purpose for the reason I will show) is rendered redundant by other moves, or literally just HIGHLY contextual.

But despite this, people are allowed to think M64 is both free and complex because of speedrunners who create arbitrary conditions where the game can suddenly become as hard and precise as wanted.

>>715975806 (OP)
That are a great many words to communicate your belief that personal enjoyment is decided by and dependant on commitee, majority and consensus.

Unless you have the bodily autonomy of a quadriplegic, the impulse control of a subsaharan, feral nigger and the agency of a lobotomized asylum denizen, you can and should just ignore posts you dislike and discuss the things you do like.

>>715975806 (OP)
>the perpetual Deltarune threads
Sometimes the threads are shit, but from what I've seen they've managed to keep talking about the game properly for over a month now. And that's even with the jannies seething over the threads being made.

Highly anti-cipated bot thread.
Grok vs GPT.
Who will win.
Cum crusts are waiting.

>>715975806 (OP)
>Literally everybody but me is subhumanly retarded. And it doesn't matter.
And yet here you are, get over yourself.

>>715975806 (OP)
yesterday I made a thread about obscure steam games. It took over an hour for anyone to reply with a game besides me (I posted 5 games to start).

After the thread was up for an hour it finally started getting some people in to talk. But it took me hoping some random person would bump it before it died every 15 minutes to get to that point.

Thats why I bump any vidya threads I see, because I know with bumps they will never get started. I don't quite understand why but it's the truth.

>>715992531
Hey Brian

>>715991162
>A lot of the immersive stuff in KCD2 actually serves a purpose, especially in Hardcore Mode(way it's meant to be played), where you gotta eat, sleep,brew, take care of yourself, ask NPCs for directions, and respect their schedules.
Hmmmmmmmm. Lets run a little test.
Do you understand how simply having to do something does not necessarily make it purposeful? For example. Im pretty sure im Oblivion, you need to sleep to level up dont you? Would you say that makes Oblivion an immersive and purposeful game? And even if you would say yes for whatever reason, do you think many would agree?

Next, what about in RDR2, where you need to indivudally open every drawer and door to get an item? That is undoubtedly "immersive", and it even serves a purpose of dishing out rewards. Does that make it purposeful?

Im sure there are other better examples to get my point across, but I havent played enough of these type of games, and dont want to bring up immersive sims which i have played, because thats not what i meant by immersive initially anyway (also its a fake genre)

My point is that, when you tell me, you need to "talk to NPCs for directions" or "take care of yourself" (I assume or else npcs wont like you or something)
I dont see a purpose. I see a function.
As a function of needing to know where to go...id talk to NPCs of course whether I was playing an immersive game or not. And there are dozens of games before Death Stranding where sleeping restores health or stamina. Thats not what makes DS special.

And maybe its the same for your KCD2, but i dont see it yet in your arguments.

>>715992146
>90% of those moves are superfluous
It’s not a bad thing
it makes things more personal. you can just snipe enemies in MGS5 or use a chopper to take out tanks, it's the most efficient way. But sneaking around, knocking out each enemy, and creating distractions is what makes it fun.

The same goes for games like Hitman or Dishonored.
Unfortunately, the industry is moving away from that.
Immersive sims and stealth games are basically dead, which is why I appreciate something like KCD, while Bethesda and Obsidian are busy making even shittier and more restrictive RPGs than their previous work.

>>715975806 (OP)
>>715975886
>generic TV friendly diverse fantasy setting
>bad bitch poojeeta protagonist
>Sony 3rd person level traversal
>Souls lite combat

Yeah, OP, there's not a chance in hell a game like that is going to have good gameplay because the people who'd buy games like that are allergic to gameplay.

>>715990951
still waiting

>>715991378
>I watched that whole video and there's not a single moment that showcases interesting traversal or interactivity or puzzles or interesting anything
If you pay close attention, they specifically skip over the puzzle and traversal sections right at the start of the points where it would happen, because they know gamers are fucking RETARDED, and want to see combat combat combat, and would rather focus on how SLOW the combat is perceived, then a combat with a focus on crowd control and spatial awareness due to the camera position.

If I thought this was like God of War id say it. But the biggest problem with God of War (modern) is that it was VERY IMMENSELY clearly inspired by RE4 and its camera, but didn't want to underpin the need for spacial awareness with an ACTUAL ABILITY TO CONTROL THE SPACE.

Ill admit the combat looks meh and generic at face value, but thats not only not the primary reason im interested in it, but its also clearly early in the story.

Another thing you can see is that towards the end of the video there are cleaely traversal gimmicks that will be expanded on.

The weird magical circular thing that looks like it propels you in the air. The weird gravity fuckery where shes walking down a slope and staying level with the ground.

90% of AAA action adventure games dont even PRETEND to bother with actual traversal nowadays. Like Expedition 33, its walk up to wall, press contexual button then hold up and follow either the yellow paint or the more subtle classic faded white paint.

This game demonstrated a focus on manipulating the enviroment in its initial showcase, but also no "magnetic snap" traversal climbing, or paint. And if that was all that was shown, I wouldnt be confident in their steam page description of engaging traversal. But its the little enviromental "gimmicks" that suggest greater interactivity than a modern tomb raider, or uncharted "adventure" game.

If you need specific timestamps because youre retarded, i can find them

>>715975806 (OP)
I've never made the mistake of thinking /v/ likes video games, so who's really the retard?

>>715992632
Lines between Purpose and function are blurry
And you haven't played the game so I don't think you'll get it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYrNjPGgAAA

>>715977596
Sounds like a (You) issue to me

>>715992951
>which is why I appreciate something like KCD, while Bethesda and Obsidian are busy making even shittier and more restrictive RPGs than their previous work.
Well, you didnt engage with anything I said, just affirmed again what you already think, and stuck to your narrative. No offense but anything that talks about how "the industry blah blah blah" or "popular developers blah blah blah arent doing what i specifically like" without proper criticism that isnt just "Its modern and [insert buzzword characterization that I already proved the retarded flaw of using]" then youre narrativizing.

Sometimes I think you guys are just stupid by accident no offense, im going to sound really mean here, but if you're even remotely not like what im about to call you, then youll understand.

I think for some weird reason because of the way modern individuals are raised. They are raised with the idea that they never have to justify, or rationally understand their feelings, perspectives and opinions, that it is true and valid simply because they can feel it. Its why biases are never questioned, and echo chambers are so prominent.

I genuinely think you are incapable of engaging with a perspective that isnt strictly your own. You will accuse me of the same, despite me lengthily and pointedly explaining my problem with your perspective, besides your perspective isnt so complicated that it's hard to understand "I like doing realistic seeming and feeling things that I could imagine doing in Bohemia, even if it has no real gameplay purpose, simply because it contributes to an overall feeling of being in the game world"

Of course, you guys are always immensely selective and arbitrary with this, which is why so many of you often dismiss RDR2 even though its the EXACT same thing. Youll arbitrarily appeal to "RESTRICTIVE MISSION DESIGN!!!" but I guarantee I can find something just about as restrictive in KCD2.

Ill admit that could be an assumption and you actually like RDR2

>>715976153
>>715976935
Goddamn I can smell the söy from here

>>715993953

>>715993343
>Lines between Purpose and function are blurry
Something isnt blurry just because you say it is. A retarded 3rd grader thinks that just because he can get the right answer on a math test with the wrong method, that Math is "blurry". Thats just indicative of his ignorance, EVEN if by some means, he rejects the axioms of mathematics, he is in class to learn those axioms, and prove he understands them, and if he cant do that, then its proof he doesnt understand them.

When I called "immersive" and "restrictive" relative, I demonstrated exactly why and how.

When I called into question your use of "immersive" I gave examples exactly as to why having to sleep in a game, or take care of oneself, might not be argued to be immersive.

The crazy thing is that I didnt realize how bang on I was that you would be the exact kind of predictable retard to hate oblivion, skyrim and bethesda, and also praise KCD2, when I gave a perfect analogy regarding sleep that rendered your point moot.

I already know what youre going to say "its not just about the things i listed as an example, its like everything dude and like da vibe and stuff" but to that I say simply one thing. How many particularly "immersive" things does a game have to do, to actually qualify as immerisive? Now THATS actually making the meanings of words blurry.

My standard is simple. I never specified any number. The immersion simply has to be layered and feed into eachother and everything you do. Like a circle.

>>715994071
the fact you think I would ever say such a thing and that your stalkerish obsessive retardation means that im everyone and anyone you can think to connect me to, is indicative of your subhumanness.

>>715993343
>And you haven't played the game so I don't think you'll get it
Also this is an incredibly ironic thing, because since you kind of exposed yourself to be a typical /v/ tard. I can almost guarantee, there is some game. Maybe its even called TLOU2, that you have not played, yet criticized other people defending it. And would never legitimize a defense that says "Heh you havent played it, you wouldnt get it" because the circlejerk would protect from such criticism.

Not playing a game is only a valid retort to criticism...that isnt conditional on your expressed argument in favour of something. If you couldnt argue to express the substance of something, then either your incoherent, or the game is, or both.

>>715988387
Damn, where did E33 hurt you? From reading this thread, it leaves rent free in your head

>>715994450
Most people don't ramble extensively about shit they don't know about. They might make some passing ignorant remarks but if you get them to be honest they won't tell you that they said anything of value, because they know they lack the foundational knowledge to truly add to the topic. The difference between you and these people is being self-aware.

>>715994864
>Most people don't ramble extensively about shit they don't know about.

>because most people dont do something its good
>i am going to center and frame the entire argument on this by characterizing you as possessing this quality i arbitrarily defined as bad because "most people dont do it"
>i am going to conveniently ignore your actual direct contention dismissing the fundamental validity of what im actually asserting, not what i can purely characterize you as
>i will win anyway because there is absolutely zero standard on /v/ and know that i am wrong, and would be shown to be wrong if i ever engaged honestly and directly with the contention.
okay bro, thanks for the contribution. i accept your concession, all you had to do was be more open about conceding, jeez.

>>715994526
retard. i long abandoned the thread i would have made on e33. the worst most overwhelmingly narrativized game ever on /v/ maybe even more than ocarina of time.
the difference is that i actually wanted OoT and Majora to be good, so i criticized them because of the potential i saw in them.

expedition is just a fundamentally badly designed game on multiple levels and i finished the entire thing, so i can say as much.

>>715995269
>is proud of not having played important games to genres they have long critiques on
>so much so they make it a point to not play it out of spite
>expects people to value what they have to say on these genres anyway
It doesn't even matter if you have anything of value to say about it. Are you going to talk about mystery without knowing who Agatha Christie or Arthur Conan Doyle is? Actually, that perspective would be much more interesting than someone who claims to like mysteries but ignores several classics.

>>715975806 (OP)
>>715976153
You're right, but you also need to receive an electric shock every time you press the enter key until you stop unnecessarily Reddit spacing your posts.

>>715996279
wtf are you talking about? i dont even think youre the same kcd2 guy, youre probably one of the obsessive stalker retards. what fucking "important games to genres" are you talking about? we're talking about kcd2 which came out this fucking year (and was forgotten lmao)

also youre entire premise is fucking bullshit. the entire reason i questioned you on KCD2, is because there was a time i was interested in KCD1 and I ASKED an anon who HAD played the game about the immersive qualities, I even used Death Stranding as an example of well implemented ones there too. I was interested in KCD because the language thing sounded cool and interesting. And the anon who had PLAYED the game told me that the immersive qualities are more tedious and superfluous not like in DS.

i dont remember the specifics of the convo, so I cant remember the specific reasons why he said that. But thats why I asked you to make the argument for it. And you made the generic "when i see neon lights, i think of le cyberpunk" tier "atmosphere" argument that /v/ loves to make. Just appeal to how some completely arbitrary thing makes them subjectively feel that has almost nothing to do with gameplay.

>>715996397
>You're right, but you also need to receive an electric shock every time you press the enter key until you stop unnecessarily Reddit spacing your posts.
I have been told such before, although it usually does not accompany a retard who unironically cares about "reddit spacing".
What the hell does it matter man? 90% of the retards here are more reddit than me. Im actually banned from reddit, i bet the losers here would slot in perfectly into some right wing circlejerk subreddit.
4chan is just the other side of the same coin. Just as circlejerky, except will call you "tranny" instead of backhandedly telling you you need therapy. Its just passive aggresive vs retarded aggresive.

>>715997052
did not read

>>715997359
damn...you btfo him, just that simple

>>715975806 (OP)
did you know 67.5% of bottoms have intestinal parasites?

faggots have a short lifespan, op. niggers doubly so. you're always going to be known to me as the retard who got tripped on MP1, and pussied out when you were called out on it.

>>715975806 (OP)
You misspelled a bunch of words including "publicly"

>>715998081
Interpreting OP is a skill issue on your part, anon. According to them, they communicate clearly and effectively.

>>715997903
>the retard who got tripped on MP1
what???

>>715995375
You sound filtered to me

>>715999226
Its not even possible to be filtered by a game so easy and breakable.

>>715975806 (OP)
No fucking shit sherlock. That's the entire point.

We don't want nor need long-form fucking essays about shit we can usually see with our own eyes. We don't need fucking youtuber shills, we don't need cults of personality, we don't need any one defining opinion or reality from which to draw from. These are problems of actual forums. And the story is ALWAYS and INVARIABLY the same regardless of platform:

>starts off nice and niche
>people form their own cliques
>They ignore certain peoples threads/posts, but otherwise most are amicable to everyone (to what few are there)
>some zeitgeist shit happens somewhere on the web, and its popularity either explodes or trickles up in popularity
>the normies who are tourists become the norm
>voices of reason get drowned out by echo-chamber bullshit
>dissenting opinions are downvoted into oblivion
>forum fractures under its own weight
>by this time everything has gone to shit and the only ones left are the autists who ironically were there before most, but are the only ones left because the voices of reason left
>forum fades into background radiation

We don't need any of that. Being anonymous is what keeps this place speaking (relatively speaking) the truth once you know which is bait, which is shills, and which is an anon ACTUALLY trying to discuss things.

Don't like it? Tough shit. This is the norm here.

>>715999423
And yet you managed to

okiirano thread

>>715976153
>Videogames will never ever be allowed to be talked about meaningfully indepth
Hopefully

>>716000053
what kind of retarded mentally ill strawman is this retard arguing against?

this is the problem with you dumb fucking retards. you can never engage with anything directly, everything has to be an elaborate narrative supplanted by baseless preconceived interpretation to drag down.

"le normies come in and ruin everything". fucking retard, so many latent presumptions. the presumption that the base circlejerk group was inherently any better, let alone the presumption, that "whatever we think is just right and we never need to engage with any contending or dissenting perspectives"

these are the retards that pretend theyre different from reddit btw, its like theyve never ever been on a subreddit, so they have no idea how strict and exclusionary they are.
its fall in line, or get banned. the only difference is that 4chan is too poor to ban retards like that, and the losers that are drawn to this place naturally fall in line anyway like npcs.

>>715985212
looks painfully generic

>>716000063
>everything i say is true just because i said its true, no i dont need to justify or provide basis for that, what are you, reasonable? ridiculous
kys dumbretarded ass.

>>716000431
You allow too much preconception to cloud you. Well, we'll see how it is when its out. If youre curious as to why im curious about it, then read: >715993230

>>716000382
That's a whole lot of projecting when literally none of what you're stated applies. gr8 jerb m8

>>716000382
>its like theyve never ever been on a subreddit
Maybe you should stay there

>>716000543
what about what I said isnt a direct response to what you said. i shouldn't even be falling for this bullshit, but its a test anyway.

>>716000445
>>715999226

>>716000624
I got banned retard. Because I actually challenge retarded circlejerk echochamber cultures, just like this shit site. Dumb fucking retard doesnt even know how wrong he is. Im done with your dumbass.

>>716000715
>I got banned retard
LMFAO THIS RETARD WAS AN ACTUAL REDDITTOR

>>716000779
>thinks you need to be a redditor to get banned
retard. kys

>>716000715
>redditor mad he got banned comes here to bait anonymous posters
ebin

Oh look its essay anon. I think you'd have better look getting actual discussion if you weren't so hostile with everyone.

>>716000715
>I got banned from reddit

>>716000823
Yes you absolute inbred, you need in fact to be a reddit user to be banned from the reddit website with your reddit username. Holy shit

>>716000715
>banned from reddit
>comes to 4chan to bitch

laffinggrills.jiff

>>715993230
>Like Expedition 33
>follow either the yellow paint or the more subtle classic faded white paint.
lmao you boob

.....
>retard thread full of retards latching to anything and everything they can to divert from the actual criticism, and to hide their stupidity and inability to ever make s substantive argument

>>716001185
Are you retarded? Its actually even worse in e33, there isnt even any possible way to mess up the climbing sections because they stand out as blatantly and unnaturally as possible and never even allow anything but forward or horizontal movement. But its the same in principle as other modern AAA "adventure" games.

>>715975806 (OP)
>Literally everybody but me is subhumanly retarded.
You know anon... this is quite literally the definition of extreme delusional narcissism right? You arent even 1/100 as smart as you think you are. You have nothing intelligent or meaningful to say. You have never come up with anything interesting or meaningful. Nothing. You never will. You will keep seething and shitting your diaper on 4chan but the fact is that if you were intelligent you wouldnt have to tell other people, it would be self evident from the things you talk about or the things you produce.

You are pic related.

>>715975806 (OP)
Thats a lot of words to say you're autistic, bud. I'm very proud of you for your effort.

>>715975806 (OP)
Your exposition will be 10 times longer after you play and finish Eriksholm

>>716001364
simple easy to understand to appeal to retards, characterizing: the reply

>>716001561
it needs to be easy to understand for you to get it ;)

>>716001364
>You have nothing intelligent or meaningful to say. You have never come up with anything interesting or meaningful. Nothing. You never will.


Not that anon but this is correct. And despite I being correct I'm still smarter than you subhuman. Not because I'm some godly genius, but because yall niggas is dumb. Dumb as hell. Dumber than my auto correct which always corrects hell to he'll.

>>716000883
I don't think the point is discussion, or I don't understand why you'd act like this if what you wanted is discussion anyway.

>>716001779
No anon I think you just dont understand what 4chan is or how this place works. Nor do you seem to have theory of mind.

>>716000715
>its like theyve never ever been on a subreddit
>Maybe you should stay there
>I got banned retard
kek you cannot make this shit up

>bozo starts AAVE-ing halfway into the sentence
this nigga brown

>>716002030
You don't understand a lot of things, and you never will. That's the problem, people who dont understand anything, still feeling the need to express and dictate valid perceptions of things on that predicate.
Thats 90% of the retards disagreeing with me here. Even retards that cry about reddit space can recognize im correct.

>>716002268
he tried really fucking hard to pretend to be white but he couldnt hide his upbringing

>>716002293
There's practically an infinite amount of things I will never understand compared to the comprehensibly small number of things I do know. The fact that you think it's a bad thing to admit that is pathetic, because it's the state every human is in.

>>716002091
Indubitably my goodest anonymous. Verily you have disproven my claims. Your shining wit and intelligence are a beacon in this cold dark world.
I'm actually being facetious, you're a prick. Normally I wouldn't point this part out but I'm worried you're dumb enough to believe I'm complimenting you.

>>716002508
>The fact that you think it's a bad thing to admit that is pathetic, because it's the state every human is in.

>Unironically believe dunning kruger
you are one dumb motherfucker, i cant even talk to you, you just wouldnt understand the words being said.

>>716002574
it took you that long to get chat gpt to spit that out for you? anon... whats wrong with you? You obviously dont like it here, you always rant about how much you hate it, you are a lolcow to everyone else, and yet you never stop posting. Are you just so lonely that you need any kind of attention you can get?

>>716002761
I feel like you're projecting right now. Get some help. Or don't I'm not your father.

>>716002761
>retard think the anon that literally said "not that anon" is me
what the hell is wrong with your brains???

>>716003093
Well what the hell is wrong with your brain, buddy? You just fly in from aspergers town?

>>716003093
But seriously do you think things will get better? Because I'm starting to doubt.