Thread 715982854

they're not saving shit
they're hitting in the market of vrchat trannies that want an upgrade from their cum crusty valve index

>$1,019.00 USD
>saves VR

>>715982854 (OP)
This shit costs 1K to buy, which is about as much as a mid-range gayming computer btw

>>715982854 (OP)
They won't save VR gaming until the price is lower. But it's a step in the right direction.

>>715982956
>gatekeeps the poor and casuals
incredibly based

>>715982956
Same price as an Index, seems like a decent deal for a considerably lighter headset assuming the visual quality doesn't suffer.

>>715983041
>>gatekeeps the poor and casuals
>oh no! why is vr dying?
>why are developers not making vr games?

>>715982917
It's a PCVR with cable only, so it's marketed at simGODS.

>>715983304
assuming you need to appeal to the lowest common denominator when selling a product has always been a lie.
Plenty of luxury brands do just fine appealing to exclusive niche markets, oftentimes they outlive mass production slop brands.

>>715983304
The best period of gaming + the internet was when it was still gatekept. Yet, it still made money and still had games.
I don't need or want VR to be the next iphone. It just needs to support a small ecosystem of indie and AA devs.

>>715982956
cheaper than decent gpus

>>715983304
>poor that poor that
Brown, filthy turd world hands of feral animal written this post

>>715982854 (OP)
I'd pay 1K, but it doesn't do a good enough job with porn yet.

>>715982854 (OP)
>2560x2560
>75hz
nope

>>715982854 (OP)
>still requires base stations after inside out tracking was perfected by facebook
>clamped to your face by pressure instead of halo
>doesn't come with controllers
>retarded expensive
>need to send them a mold of your face

This thing has a market of 1 person.

>>715982854 (OP)
nice
now where the games?

>>715982854 (OP)
asides from the oled vs the lcd screens are there any other visual disadvantages to going with a quest over bigscreen when connected with a link cable?

>>715983614
>assuming you need to appeal to the lowest common denominator
No, but you do need an install base to create a market. Luxury brands just sell the shirt. VR sells the shirt so you can buy accessories to put on it.

>>715983276
Same price as a headset everyone agreed is too expensive?

>>715983276
Doesn't the Index also give you an entire package including Alyx? You have to buy Index controllers and base stations on top of the 1K with this.

>>715984367
beat saber :D

>>715983614
but the VR userbase is stagnating. without the potential to attract new users and grow, why would the market appeal to game devs, outside of passion projects?

>>715983675
it made money because back then games didn't take as much time and resources to develop (im assuming you mean the 1980-2009 period). if you can't release the game into a big enough market, it won't be very profitable with the years of development costs.

>>715983781
>ignoble savage calling others brown
i know you're on your summer holiday, but you need to keep practicing your english lessons, ESL-kun

I'll buy one for $200, that's what my Oculus GO cost.

>>715984678
>LO
based

>>715985239
you don't need a grand for that just get a used cheap zuckerquest

>>715983614
"Luxury brands" don't require software developers to make content for them. Software developers who end up lacking incentive to do so because said brand being "luxury" means a small as fuck audience for their product.
>>715983675
>and still had games
Not at a particularly good standard of what counts as having games.

>>715985239
Is there something fun like beat saber, but with sex?

>>715984367
waggle rhythm game or tech demo shooter

>>715984367
why do you hate video games?

>>715982956
it's 1200 for the new version that doesn't suck ass (until the next one comes out the v2 is dogshit)

bump

>>715982854 (OP)
>sweet spot the size of a pea

nah

>but muh version twooo!

still a big nah

>>715989229
they fixed EVERYTHING

>>715982854 (OP)
I need it to be 4K per eye, 120hz, standalone and running linux.

>>715991226
And a wide field of view.

>>715983732
what fucking GPUs are you buying

Yesterday I bought a Pico 4 for cheap
If it's any decent sure, in the future I will maybe grab something like this. Maybe. Affordability is a big thing. To save VR, you need to either convince people to spend an absurd amount on it, which is more difficult now than ever, or lower prices so that more people can actually try the goddamn thing and it becomes less of a niche.
Also some people don't like anything that may cause eyestrain. Remember the 3DS? I remember a lot of people never using the feature not because of the lower battery life, but because after 15-30 minutes it would start to cause some eye strain.

>>715982854 (OP)
For who lol

>>715985469
That's what you can get a quest 2 for used

>>715982854 (OP)
VR is gay, boomer-tier fantasy.
Give me plug-in vidya: Enhanced sensorial systems, unmatched feedback and graphical peak.
Or I could just do LSD.

>>715992246
>To save VR, you need to either convince people to spend an absurd amount on it, which is more difficult now than ever, or lower prices so that more people can actually try the goddamn thing and it becomes less of a niche.
Exactly, hopefully that time is coming soon. This shit in op is over a thousand dollars.

>>715994005
>. This shit in op is over a thousand dollars.
don't you have $1000?

>>715993525
Good point. I could also buy a PS3 game if there even was one.

>>715994076
$1000 can buy a lotta things that you may use more than this.

>>715990741
apart from the resolution and the refresh rate

>>715994638
So?

i have the beyond 1, great headset

>>715983032
a mid range gpu is 1k already

>>715985398
>it made money because back then games didn't take as much time and resources to develop (im assuming you mean the 1980-2009 period). if you can't release the game into a big enough market, it won't be very profitable with the years of development costs.
that is why I specified indie and AA. It doesn't need GTA6 level developed games.
>>715985871
Games were much better back then, zoomer. Precisely because they were made by smaller teams for smaller profits for a niche group of consumers.

>>715982854 (OP)
>Basically pointless appleslop integration so that it can filter out people who know that it is overpriced
>Second iteration is just lighter, rather than being a leap forward
>>715984678
Link cable is just compressed USB streaming, not Displayport.
>>715985398
>but the VR userbase is stagnating. without the potential to attract new users and grow, why would the market appeal to game devs, outside of passion projects?
The flat videogame userbase started stagnating in the early-mid 2000s, so that clearly does not matter if you are satisfied with game release schedules after 2009-2011. Passion projects are practically all that matters now.
>it made money because back then games didn't take as much time and resources to develop (im assuming you mean the 1980-2009 period). if you can't release the game into a big enough market, it won't be very profitable with the years of development costs.
Resources and knowledge back then were super scarce. Now you have free engines, free modelling software, best practices, tutorials, etc.. The only reason games take so long to make now is due to shit management and scams.
>>715992246
To save VR you need to tear out the walled garden slop by the roots and strive to make everything open source and interoperable.

>>715994734
So people would rather use that on those other things?
The more something seems like a toy the less people are willing to spend much money on it.

more hardware isn't going to save vr
it desperately needs a reason to exist, and that reason is software
i won't buy your $1000 headset if there's nothing i can do with it besides hl alyx and vrchat

>>715995091
Since when does people not love toys.

>>715993743
LSD in VR playing Rez is the best of all worlds

>>715995091
It's not being marketed to people who can't afford it. If you want an OLED VR headset then it's a good buy.

>>715994958
Walled garden feels like a fake argument. Even when on all platforms a made for vr game will fail. The problem is trash developers just making a quick cash grab (a resume you pay for). Pretty clear that's the issue when mods do vr 10x better than teams dedicated to it.

>>715982854 (OP)
NO GAMES

>>715994917
The extra time etc is likely fake and used as an excuse to siphone more money off of investors. Games are being used as an investment vehicle rather than the end product today

>>715995305
The problem is that games are being made for mobile headsets and then adding in high res textures for the PC version.
It should be made on PC then cut down for mobile headsets.

>>715995448
I only agree in cases of hybrid. The competition is to high for "made for vr" on pc at least during this ongoing competency crisis. Its why most vr influencers (and paid posters here) like to try and pretend vr mods don't exist or don't work well or "require" 5090s which are all outright lies. The industry needs to keep consumers from making the "switch" to pc. In the standalone market it's only trash pickup simulators competing with other trash pickup simulators

>>715995305
A fragmented userbase is a massive problem.
VR is only going to get anywhere if it can build on a large library of games, hardware and enthusiast modding over time, same as the flat market did. Not even flat consoles can sustain completely memoryholing all games on the prior platform every 6-8 years, since for the most part they are surviving on ports to bridge the gaps left by their complete lack of games.

Call me when I don't have to look like this for an hour after playing for 10 minutes.

>>715982854 (OP)
How is this better than other VR systems? Since I got my 5080 I've been thinking about getting a VR set, but I'm stuck in that loop of always just waiting till a better one is available

>>715982854 (OP)
By making it smaller? No one is bothered by the size of VR headsets, people are bothered by the prices

>>715996197
>>715996197
>left by their complete lack of games
Again a competency crisis problem. No amount of size of a single platform will fix that. The biggest successes of this gen are multiplatform

>>715996241
You can sleep in it. Its light af. Form fitting (custom). Wider fov (109 i think). The biggest problem is you need valve controllers and base stations if you don't already have them.

>>715996510
>sleeping in vr

>>715996198
have you tried not being a fat fuck

>>715996197
PCVR games work on litterally every HMD imaginable

The people building specifically for the meta platform are aiming at the literal bottom of the barrel of minimum viable product. So much so they're only surviving on the good will built up from the previous gen when they actually would add huge free updates instead of just abandoning it. Those days seem gone already and once the market realizes the money spigot will stop even for the "mvp" crowd. That's why there's such a hard push for AR. It resets the clock, but only for AR. Its also why AR will be DOA because they didn't filter out the bad actors

>>715996616
don't knock it till you try it. Waking up on some alien planet or overlooking a lush landscape is pretty cool every once in a while

>>715996180
there are no recently made for PC VR games

>>715982854 (OP)
Who cares what the size of the headset is? It's just one of those things VRlets like to complain about, nobody actually using modern pancaked VR gives a shit.

VR is still too early as a medium of entertainment, gotta wait until its SAO levels

>>715997070
Ghost Town, just got released

Also AR has the same problem as VR when it comes to resources and why they need to promote PCMR connectivity more. AR could be sweet if they can offload the bulk of it to the PC. I'm honestly surprised UEVR didn't get more involved in AR because it seemed the simpilist way to make full games AR overnight.

Just noticing. Even tho the clock resets for AR, the told that bring real competition to the tech demo producers is already here. The reset will last much less as long.

The answer is and always has been hybrid. In fact i think a streaming (watching others playing while inside of their game surrounding themselves) is probably the real answer. Since people, for whatever reason, are just doing less. Most would rather watch.

>>715997228
Cars are still too early as a medium of transportation, gotta wait until its teleportation

>>715994917
>Games were much better back then
Back when? If you're trying to make out that early vr was any significant amount of time ago then you're the one making yourself sound young.

>>715997070
They don't need to, they just need to release unreal engine games. All unreal engine games (without anticheat) are automatically pcvr games and they blow made for vr games out of the water

>>715996198
Halo style strap. You can remove the face cushion because the goggles are suspended in front of your face.

>>715997270
>told
Tools

>>715997390
All they need is some extra ui stuff and of possible melee interactions. That's why devs should unofficially support the mods through plug ins like bloober team did with the silent hill remake. Its "official" so it avoids scrutiny but fixes the gaps so it can be enjoyed and touted as a full vr gane

>>715997559
>official
Unofficial i mean, officially unofficial

>>715997390
UEVR mod is trash without an actual dedicated modder making proper VR adaptation

Also most UE5 games are trash upscalled TAA temporal smearslopped to hell garbage graphics games which look horrible and blurry in vr

>>715984367
umm.. HL: alyx, beat saber... the list goes on and on

>>715996349
Everyone is bothered by the size of vr headsets retard. No one wants to have a fucking helmet on their head while they game.

>>715982854 (OP)
> 75Hz
Just no.
Why are they even doing this?

>>715984878
same price as a headset released 6 years ago before covid inflation, but with double the resolution and a quarter the size and weight? sounds like a good deal to me

>>715997297
this but unironically, fuck cars

when is valve gonna release their new headset? been holding off until that gets released

>>716000645
It will release when Half-Life 3 comes out

>>715998280
does it go on? those are the only titles you ever hear
and beat saber is just some lame rockband thing

>>715998280
>2018
>2020
ok now what came out in the last 5 years

>>716001134
metro
batman
twd
alien
those are some vr games that I liked :)

>>715998967
I swear I’m not a shill, but it’s honestly not as bad as it seems. It’s weird because I am very sensitive to refresh rate in monitors but it barely bothers me in VR.