Even as a gay anon I totally notice and despise this. You don't really "celebrate" women if you equate their power or value to the number of masculine attributes they possess (both in aesthetics and comportment), if anything you are doing the exact polar opposite. How don't they realise this??
I honestly feel for my well-intentioned gamer straightbros, forced to see or even play as purposely uglified characters. It unironically feels like some kind of humiliation ritual.

it's fat ugly west coasties who abhor beauty because they don't have it and can't control it, so they do what they can to erase beauty from the culture

>>715997001
Yep. It's a destructive impulse stemming from envy and an inferiority complex. "If I can't have it, no one can."
And then the games get filled with uggos, fatties, niggers, fags and trannies.

>>715996913 (OP)
who cares

>>715997001
what about the "men" in the industry who also do it?

>>715997193
I CARE
HEAR ME SCREAAAAAAM

>>715996913 (OP)
its to make it 'trans friendly'. plenty of normal looking women out there who look dont look that different from the picture on the left, but its mainly mtf that look like that on the right when they skip a day of HRT.
naturally, for the last 10-15 years, the industry thought that making sure no one with any decent mental health should be playing games, so they've decided to sabotage it by making sure every game would looks like that.

>>715997202
Fags who hate women and simps who think prostrating themselves before bluehairs will get them laid.

>>715997367
kwab

NOBODY LIKES IT.
IT'S AN AGE-----ENDA.

>>715996913 (OP)
you do this shit every day anon. Touch grass

>>715997193
>>715997483
>>715997367
they look like they voted for Kamala.

>>715996913 (OP)
Well the rabid feminist crowd broke into the industry a decade ago and started pushing their bullshit and then the trannies after them. It’s basically a mix of insecure narcissists and their sycophants doing their best to push their own standard of “beauty” while saying how nothing is different despite the fact they will also complain about older character designs “objectifying” women.

>>715997202
Idk man maybe that particular dude is just gay. But the rest are "wolves in sheeps clothing", the absolute worst kind.

>>715997202
These are always white somehow.

>>715997202
They’re either whipped retards that have mountains of dirt on them or fear being accused of something. Or make feminists (predators) that use this shit as a mask to get women to fuck them.

>>715996913 (OP)
The solution is simple.

>>715997193
cared enough to enter a thread and bicker

>>715997193
anyways, massive layoffs at xbox recently

>>715997745
Based

>>715997962
Hilarious

>>715997732
>fear of being accused of something
man who fucking gives a shit about retardation like that anymore. just accept you're in bad company and do your job right. let the rumours spread. helps you identify the dumbfucks more easily anyway.

>>715998349
Whytewym out, jeets in

>>715997745

>>715998954
it makes sense why jeets are so drawn to them;
equally stupid, and easy to hire.

>>715998871
It’s more that due to all the companies being part of the nepotistic sphere that you will get blacklisted from the whole industry.

>>715997202

>>715999728
then go indie? use those skills on the down low instead of walking around retards like that. if you're stuck doing AAA then idk. is it 'really' worth your time? just spin the rulebook back on them if they start shit with you, and take it to HR. women and fags hate each other. use it to your advantage.

>>715999980
one is cultural, the other is humorous with the 'selection' feature literally having comradery options slotted right next to her ass butt its pretty funny so idk.

>>715996913 (OP)
>>715997001
Gooner bait

>>716000581

>>716000336
The indie sphere is also filled with that sort of cancer, and what gets attention and what doesn’t relies heavily on either some eceleb finding your shit or the people that blacklisted you pushing it. Ultimately this shit needs to be put to an end.

>>715996913 (OP)
As everyone has realized by now, the intention is not to represent women, empower women, or value women. The authors of these designs are acting out of spite. They know that the audience is male, so they offer only the most atrocious things they know men won't like. These people would rather lose their jobs than work to make something that pleases men. They hate men, and they are driving entire companies out of business because of it.

>>716000649
>>716000581
Hes right

>meanwhile western women irl that get cosmetic surgery
There must always be a bog.

>>716000581
Male characters are created to look hot as well, but no one wants to acknowledge this and instead says that “it’s attractive to men” while they also pretend they’re not gushing over hunky actors and other shit. Or they will say that men don’t like the characters women do find attractive, which is bullshit. And on that note most of the twink characters are usually more sexualized by them than the men are. Fucking Fujos are a big example of this.

>>716000925
but normie women play games too? not just men. even if they dont play these games they are still inspired by it when watching other men playing them.

>>716000581
>actually cool, like Abby from TLou
lol
Pseudo woman accidentally revealing that he's actually a man.

>>716001005
why are western surgeons so shit compared to asian ones?

>>715996913 (OP)

>>716000797
i dont see why you would even bother working in a place like that. all you have to do is make use of your skills to help random joes with little technical or art skills and just bring their quality up to a higher standard.
sounds to me its down to either not finding the right kinds of people and not knowing how to self-publish while ignoring the PR. all you have to do is listen to the genuine fans and 'maybe' listen to the roastie+troons for the occasional spiteful bluesky comment. doesnt seem so hard.

>>716001217
This niggas actually a man lol

>>715997745
>>715998339
>>715999039
This is, unironically, the solution. If you can't have attractive women in games, then just replace them with attractive anthros. Furries are an "oppressed minority" or w/e, so anthro girls give free "diversity points" to your game!

>>715996913 (OP)
Why the fuck did liberals torpedo their platform with this shit? If they didn't attempt to uglify and DEIfy everything, they could easily get away with 90% of the stuff they were pushing.
Nobody would give a shit about trannies if they didn't throw a stink about conventionally attractive characters and started throwing half naked parades. Why the fuck are these two even connected? Shouldn't trannies be on chuds' side anyway? Wouldn't they logically want to self insert as something they can never be IRL instead of wanting to see their monstrous visage in games?
And what the hell is up with body type 1 and 2? Who the fuck asked for this? Not even trannies identify with body types lol.
Just think about it with a clear mind. Nothing about their platform makes sense. There is no end goal, there is no benefit to anyone from it. It's all just a fake grift so activists (usually white and straight) can profit from the culture war.

>>716001326
Because the industry is so oversaturated with incompetent retards and ideologues that it’s very hard to find the right people. You either hope you can work your way high enough to exert enough creative control in AAA or that you can make the next indie hit and that you can get a studio up in running while avoiding all the bullshit. But there are two major hurdles. The studios themselves, the publishers/other corporate entities, the HR psychos, the media (ie journos), and the consulting firms. There is also a matter of funding. Games are expensive so unless you want to spend a decade with crowdfunding for a game that may or may never come out, you have to work with someone to get the money. And it just so happens that those people have an agenda they’re trying to push. So many hurdles, not to mention the kind of people that want to make games are nerds. And most of them have extremely weak wills, they’re the kind of people that will fold at the first sign of any kind of validation or ego stroking.

>>716001231
Micheal Jackson on the right looking great for his age

>>716001516
True

>>716001450
Why do they argue like this? It’s always a constant deflection while trying to deflect from the argument that they can’t actually refute but will do everything to say it’s wrong. Like imagine using ad hominem on a fucking argument? You’re not arguing it’s content or rhetoric but just insulting it as a whole.

Yiff in hell

>>716001765
>>716001516

>>716001893

>>716001574
Because it’s what they were taught to do, stay subtle until you’re in power and once there use every means you can to push the ideology. The goal is not to convince you but the next generation. The youth, the people that would not be exposed to anything else and would only know this. But that failed since, well the games suck shit and it’s not hard to find a similar game made 20 or 30 years ago, especially since most of the content they watch online is just talking about older games.

>>716001574
>they could easily get away with 90% of the stuff they were pushing.
Because the vast majority of these guys are not evil geniuses secretly implementing a diabolical plan.
They are fundamentalists who truly believe that destroying the standards that "gamers" (usually men) enjoy is important. They're not really trying to subvert games, they're actively trying to "fix" them, from their Religion point of view.

>>716001450
It doesn't fucking matter if they don't care for war if it becomes a necessity. Sociology niggers are so fucking retarded you can't even trust them to flip burgers at McDonalds properly anymore. Nobody cares for or want war. It's always an unfortunate consequence. The "patriarchy" doesn't salivate at the thought of going to war and dying for no reason. Humanity has been writing literature about the horrors of war for centuries, how fucking illiterate do you have to be to have missed it? Everyone sees war as an "useless abomination". It doesn't matter when you're forced into it and have no other choice.
The redditor's take is so infinitely retarded it makes me wonder if we should just abolish the field of sociology if it produces mental retardation of this magnitude.

We need more human male+anthro female games.

>>716002208

>>716001697
Can't you just find a small team of average artists and techbros who are keen enough at making some AA-tier game with PS2 graphics? I think you guys treat your work too much like its your main-thing. Lots of artist do side-stuff while doing their art just to get a vibe of things and bump into the right people. I don't see how game dev is any different. Sure you might have to lower your salary a bit, but I think if it means taking a while to find the right kind of folk, I don't see why it should be looked down.

>>716002301
People want to make a career out of it, they don’t want it to just be a part time thing. It’s more important to unfuck the industry than just be the guy that lives in the dredges. Like why would anyone want that where there is and in fact was a better opportunity? The industry didn’t used to be like this. It was about innovation and people trying shit. It was about trying to make good and interesting shit because even if it didn’t sell gangbusters you would still have enough to keep going unless something really fucked up happened.

>>716002208

>>716002208
You need to understand what guys like that faggot are trying to do. His posts are almost like fiction. They're trying to create their own interpretation of reality, not interpret reality. It's almost as if they're fictional characters. I'm sure that faggot is capable of understanding how an argument works and applying logic to his opinions, ending up refuting himself. But he doesn't give a fuck about that.
He's no different from an artist writing fiction. The difference is that he's possibly insane, because he's incapable of understanding the difference between fiction and reality.

>>716001893

>>716002093
Men being objectively stronger than women obviously refers to the population as a whole on average. This redditoid is trying to make a logical statement out of this and treating it as a universal quantity, applying induction here. This level of stupidity would prevent someone from finishing high school in most places but in US it's apparently enough to get a degree.

>>716002673
Go on his profile one of the most deranged male feminists ive seen. He also posts on r/grappler baki so I think he has a fetish for muscular "women". He also posts on communismmemes l

>>716002673
Note:
This anonjust posted something that proves exactly what I'm saying. Faced with simple logic, the guy simply said that he doesn't care about it, and is just playing around creating interpretations of reality according to some pattern he learned, like a fucking fiction writer: >>716002654

>>716002298
It’s sounds like he’s trying to say that belief itself isn’t objective and that people are ever shifting on their values but he himself has a set of values that he is unwilling to compromise on. Also his shit about total equality being part of the “patriarchy” is retarded since according to feminist dogma the patriarchy is what invented those rolls in the first place. It all just comes off as a cope as for why women can have all the upsides of equality but none of the downsides. And is trying to write off anyone that says otherwise as just wanting to attack women, which should not be an issue if they are equal to men given since scrawny retards pick fights with strong dudes and get their shit wrecked all the time.

>>716002821
His profile says hes an arab living in france with his wife kek

>>716002543
but something already really fucked up happened; the economy went to shit , OWS got hijacked and the worst kind of folk ended up calling the shots.

i know things used to be better in games, but so did a lot of stuff. but sooner or later you're going to have to accept that you need to be on the side of people who want to see things change from the outside. there is the possibility to fix the industry but sometimes, you need competition for that to happen.
you have to revert back to how the industry was back in the late 80s-early 90s where it was just random dudes with some extra skills thought it would be cool to make a game together while doing some office work or doing some plumbing. you've been thrown into the trenches and dredges, but that doesn't mean you can't fight your way back out and show whos boss.

>>716002908

>>716000581
>>716000649
>>716000948
>tranny rages at cute girls for the millionth time today

>>716002906
I think this level of intellectual dishonesty should be illegal, like an actual jail time. When faced with irrefutable facts one just sticks their head in the sand they show they're not fit to participate in society. Do they also run red light because to them it might as well have been green?

>>716003268

>>716003038
The competition exists already but the machine attacks them on a regular basis. There are a number of different factors that were already mentioned that bring them down. It’s a cruel and spiteful thing, I’m not saying it isn’t possible to fight it, people call it out everyday here (which is why the machine absolutely fucking hates 4chan) it’s just that the fight is extremely hard at the moment. The best thing that could happen is a crash. All the bottom feeders would fuck off and the suits would see it as not being hyper profitable and find something else to try and rape.

>>716003089
>man that pretty fucked up
>yeah you’re fucking evil
>what did I do?
>you’re with the group that did it
>okay but what did I do specifically
>I just told you what you did
>*disillusionment grows*

>>716002013
What's Lovecraft cat's name again?

>>716003789

>>716003089
>primordial concept that traverses all cultures
That strictly makes it not a social construct refuting the entire argument.
It's like this creature is almost capable of reaching a proper conclusion here but some invisible force is preventing it from completing this final step. It's not stupidity, it's like a physical incapability of actualizing the idea. Like humans being unable to see certain wavelengths, this creature is unable to instantiate this idea despite being aware the idea exists. Like a Chinese Room carefully rearranging pieces of paper with words on them to mimic speech without actual intention or mental processes behind it all. This creature is almost sentient, mimicking human behaviour and yet not an actual sentient human being.

Ugly Women and "real women" feel threatened by pixels on a screen, that's so pathetic

>>716003484
>not being hyper profitable and find something else to try and rape.

i dont think theres anything out there on the same level. music at one point maybe, but i think that shit is probably more important than gaming desu.
im glad theres attention to the shit in gaming though, but i legit think your best bet is just go back into the shed and making your games in peace. all the glamour isnt worth it surely?

>>716003878
>physical incapability of actualizing the idea
To do that would mean coming to the conclusion that the people he is against have reached. And in doing so he would have to admit that he was wrong and has spent years of his life arguing for something that is wrong. In short, it’s narcissism.

>>716003823
Come here little nig...

>>716003878

>>716001005
White people were a mistake

>>715996913 (OP)
>female bosmer
>male bosmer

>>716001231
>39 year old and 19 year old go to the same plastic surgeon to look like a 45 year old with plastic surgery
grim.

>>716004032
The reason gaming gets more attention is because despite what you may think it’s still a very niche medium. Most of the people that claim to be gamers only have played a handful of games a few times and just try to immerse themselves into the subculture as it has become the “cool thing” it’s why you see normalfags getting excited for video game adaptations. They have a way to discuss something that is about games without having played it. And when you someone that has played the game shows any kind of criticality towards it they get extremely defensive.
>all the glamour isnt worth it surely
It’s not about glamor, it’s about putting the medium forward, elevating it. I don’t want fame or money, they are just side things that come with it. I want to make something great.

>>716003789
What he wants is for female character designs to be designed the same as men with the notion of "attraction" (curves breasts etc). Completely removed. Thoughts? For example abby from tlou2 is what is considered "badasa"

>>716004489

>>716004385
you're addicted to contrarianism
take a break from 4chan

>>716004560
>WOW THEY LOOK LIKE ACTUAL PEOPLE
Why do redditors care so much about this shit? It's a fucking video game, if they want ugly people then they should just go outside or look in the mirror.

>>716004636

>>716003417
They're just saying since we live in a patriarchal society we are everything through the lens of patriarchy. But this would also include criticism of patriarchy. So this person cannot criticise the patriarchy because they themselves are limited by what criticism of patriarchy a patriarchical society allows and you can never look at it from outside.
Sound familiar? It should because it's an unhinged version of Kant.
The massive problem with this logic is that determining whether a society is patriarchal requires some objective messure and is not purely synthetic. Any determination of whether a system is patriarchal from within a patriarchal system is impossible because a non-patrarchal system would look identical to a non-patriarchal observer inside a non-patriarchal system. But since we clearly can identify a patriarchal society and even meaningfully talk about it, shows that not everything is seen through the lens of patriarchy. This fully refutes their original argument. Their chain of logic simply does not follow and is objectively invalid.

>>716004636
He posts on grappler baki where the men look like literal deformed mountians of muscle btw

>>716004489
If he wanted to make the most grotesque character on earth, he totally succeeded

>>715996913 (OP)
Because you keep buying the games regardless.

>>716004636
Because there's no point in having humans at all in something if they don't represent humans. Art needs to have humans in it, because art without a reflection of ourselves is worthless, it needs to say something about us, hence nobody gives a fuck about furry games.

>>716004747

>>716004489
It sounds like he is compensating for something. The objectification crowd always is. Mainly due to the fact that physical appearance is only one part of a character and their personality is the other. And in ignoring personality to harp exclusively on looks they are the ones boiling down a character to nothing but a sex object. An infamous example of this is Lara Croft who was a self made woman that defied her aristocratic parents in order to pursue her own interests. And then nu-Lara was made into a perpetual victim that needed constant saving and protecting (the devs admitted they wanted you the player to want to protect her) yet because her breasts were smaller it was okay. These people always use this bullshit to obfuscate their true intentions. Is he a tranny by any chance?

>>716004938
It says he an arab from.france whos married

>>716004156
In actual sciences we are happy to see negative results and to be proven wrong, they can be more valuable than positive results. The idea of social ""sciences"" that promote this kind of behaviour is disgusting.

>>716004884
Art also represents beauty and idealistic traits, if I want to see a fat dysgenic blob I can go to the streets

>>716004938
You got it backwards. Sexualized characters often are void of character. And sexualized isn't the same as just appealing design.

>>716004938

>>716004441
hm, I can see why your industry has had problems then. seems like its mostly nomalfags trying to understand a medium that are getting hired now, just making normalfag games, hence AAA just going to absolute shit.
although, irony there is that it backfires hard a lot. XIV being an example, and instead of taking advice on improving it, just gets worse and worse, which is down to competency more than anything and arrogance, which is backfiring and even losing the normalfags.

legit though, i think you should try and just make some really really good vaporware and go from there. i dont have a setup to make decent games of my own but there's probably peeps like me who can touchup stuff in your potential work who are more than happy to help. i just wish you the best of luck finding them. you sound like you've got some good credentials under your belt and hope you succeed wherever you go.

>>716005052
That's just your limited view. If what you said were true nobody would enjoy tragedies.

>>716005057
So Bayonetta, Lara Croft, Cammy are devoid of character? Because these are characters that were described as sexualized.

>>715996913 (OP)
because games are now made by video game fans and gamers are disgusting genetic trash. since the industry is woke and accepts dei hires that means more ugly genetically inferior women are allowed to create games. women on average self insert into characters rather than become them like men do. so they force the art direction to depict themselves as the characters in the game. so you are seeing the visual genetic inferiority of all the females of different races on display in western games. honestly its quite incredible

>>716004489
>it's not like she's trying to seduce her way out of a fight
She is tho. And this is what spies IRL do as well, including male spies. What the fuck does xir think a spy is? Seduction has been a part of the subterfuge toolkit before the word spy was even codified.

>>716005057
Untrue, most unattractive characters are void of character, they are the typical obnoxious badass women who miraculously looks like the developer.
Attractive characters have a great array of personalities

>>716005103
It used to not be an issue. You would just make games for gamer and normalfags would latch onto it anyway.

>>716005207
You are confusing 2 different things, aesthetics and genre are not the same

>>716004560
I've been to a farm recently and the girl whose family worked the farm there looked normal and certainly not like whatever this is. I don't know where do these people live where these unsightly goblinas are considered normal.

>>716005420
To determine this shit the first thing you need to do is look at the dev team, next their relationships.

>>716004560
is that chudjack's mom?

>>716004489
Tldr
He's a mentally ill repressed gay dude

>>716005061
Is it a man?

>>716004560
Her face looks like pirate software

>>715997745
make it a reptile woman and we might have a deal

>>716005295
>Attractive characters have a great array of personalities
lmao, some of the most popuar recent sexualized designs like 2B and Eve are literally soulless robots to excuse their stilted and bland characters.

>>716004984
Oh, he’s a predator then.

>>716005679
A man on hrt

I've always been fairly progressive but reading this redditry intellectual vomit is tradpilling me so hard right now.

honestly there is no difference between man and women. no thing such as a masculine or feminine trait either

>>716005829
if some random posts on a Croatian kettle polishing forum could shake your convictions they were some pretty shitty convictions to be honest

>>716005875
This is shit bait.

>>716005310
hm, then it could be that you need to immerse yourself in some normalfag shit for a while and then make a game off of what you've lived through, or similar. its what inspired movies and film after all, along with other stuff.
wish you the best out there anon. take care.

>>716004636
They are desperate to be seen as attractive by the vast majority of people. They never will.

>>716005786
Then he's 100% guilty of something and compensating super hard. These hyper preachy people almost always have skeletons in the closet and are doing this because in their mind this makes them less suspicious.

>>716005747
And all unattractive characters are Mary Sue that look like the developers, my point still stands. Beautiful characters are made to be pleasant for the eye, ugly characters are made because of the developers narcissism.

>>716005974
God forbid you re-examine certain views when faced with new evidence and reject dogmatism.

reminder the kinds of people who can't conceive the idea of beauty are usually retards stuck in urban/metropolitan hellholes.

>>715996913 (OP)
the funniest thing about this image is that the right looks kinda cool in a weirdly stylized way, like this would be your crack addict netrunner accomplice or some shit
or an elder scrolls character
so even when trying to demonstrate the point it is impossible to come up with something so dogshit and offensively mediocre as what modern studios do lmao

>>715997605
>they look like they voted for Kamala.
stones in glass house, maga supporters are all fat, dysgenic, and retarded

>>716007098
Neither of them are fat, they are really old that's it

>>715997745
You think they won't find a way to fuck up fuzzy women?

>>716006153
nah

>>716007275
fat mutt coping

>>716000581
>actually cool, like abby from tlou
Thats some good bait

>>716007098
yeah, but you have one side that looks like maga voters, and then, the other side, that looks like kamala voters.
neither is good. did you think i was disagreeing with you?

>>716007420
Nobody wants to play with a character that looks like a fat ugly female game developer on a costume.
Stop self inserting your diabetic body on our games.

>>715996913 (OP)
>You don't really "celebrate" women if you equate their power or value to the number of masculine attributes they possess
this is also why age gaps are so vilified in modern america. if a women doesn't have "power" or the "power dynamic" is not in her favor then the relationship is wrong

>>716007378
They can't. Anita said they needed to do that a decade ago and no one has done it. People want their furshit pure.

>>716007496
If he was a leftist you would dress him as a woman and make him the new Lara croft.

>>716007687
You are insane and making shit up.

>>716007920
It's just coincidence then, hundreds of coincidences

>>716007807
>muh woke
dont care, you're fat

>>716001450
Fenced by your careful fathers, ringed by your leaden seas,
Long did ye wake in quiet and long lie down at ease;
Till ye said of Strife, “What is it?” of the Sword, “It is far from our ken”:
Till ye made a sport of your shrunken hosts and a toy of your armed men.
Ye stopped your ears to the warning—ye would neither look nor heed—
Ye set your leisure before their toil and your lusts above their need.
Because of your witless learning and your beasts of warren and chase,
Ye grudged your sons to their service and your fields for their camping-place.
Ye forced them to glean in the highways the straw for the bricks they brought;
Ye forced them follow in byways the craft that ye never taught.
Ye hindered and hampered and crippled; ye thrust out of sight and away
Those that would serve you for honour and those that served you for pay.
And ye vaunted your fathomless power, and ye flaunted your iron pride,
Ere—ye fawned on the Younger Nations for the men who could shoot and ride!
Then ye returned to your trinkets; then ye contented your souls
With the flannelled fools at the wicket or the muddied oafs at the goals.
Given to strong delusion, wholly believing a lie,
Ye saw that the land lay fenceless, and ye let the months go by
Idle—except for your boasting—and what is your boasting worth
If ye grudge a year of service to the lordliest life on earth?
Ancient, effortless, ordered, cycle on cycle set,
Life so long untroubled, that ye who inherit forget
It was not made with the mountains, it is not one with the deep.
Men, not gods, devised it. Men, not gods, must keep.

>>716008120
>you're fat
Are you asking me to be your new female character?

>>715997962
Did not hit her

>>716002208
>nobody cares for or wants war
Maybe on the defensive side, but there are historically many groups that idolize conquest. Just look at Alexander the Great or Genghis Khan that expand their empires by conquest, the colonial project in the New World, and even from Rome and Ancient Greece our current ideas are built on with the Roman origin story and the Illiad/the Odyssey being about the Greeks conquering Troy in the Trojan war. It's important to be prepared for war regardless since you need to defend against these people, but it is not the case that nobody wants to go to war as otherwise it would never happen.

>>716008307
Perhaps

>>715996913 (OP)
/v/irgins have spent years telling comic artists
>brevity is the soul of wit
just to pick this edit over the original