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Anonymous No.716000358 >>716000520 >>716000770 >>716000842 >>716001452 >>716001559 >>716001786 >>716001876 >>716001940 >>716002102 >>716002223 >>716002318 >>716002451 >>716002512 >>716002693 >>716002731 >>716002770 >>716002772 >>716003019 >>716003117 >>716003654 >>716003903 >>716004048 >>716004074 >>716004105 >>716004248 >>716004604 >>716004618 >>716004887 >>716004939 >>716005004 >>716005053 >>716005236 >>716005648 >>716006302 >>716006762 >>716006820 >>716007579 >>716007703 >>716007802 >>716008124 >>716008196 >>716008217 >>716009112 >>716009274 >>716009324 >>716009502 >>716009980 >>716010140 >>716010281 >>716010508 >>716012873 >>716012997 >>716013174 >>716013339 >>716013658 >>716014057 >>716014224 >>716014338 >>716014420 >>716014519 >>716015228 >>716015761 >>716015858 >>716016675 >>716016814 >>716017032 >>716017059 >>716017449 >>716017716 >>716017770 >>716017968 >>716019791 >>716020723 >>716020921
THINGS ARE LOOKING *TERRIBLE* FOR PALWORLD DEVS
Apparently, having read Palworld's defense on the 50+ accounts of copyright infringement, Nintendo just sent a lawyer to the japanese patent office and had the wording of the patent retroactively changed in order to invalidade

https://gamesfray.com/nintendo-resorts-to-weird-patent-claims-as-its-litigation-against-palworld-maker-pocketpair-is-struggling/

Apparently, Palworld said Nintendo never had 'smooth transition' between gliding and mounting (before Masuda forced them to remove the feature, you could transition between a flying Pal to a ground-based Pal), and that this patent was not infringed. So Nintendo went to the patent office, and had the wording changed, including 'even if the transition is not smooth'.

https://www.mmorpg.com/news/nintendo-accused-of-moving-the-goal-posts-in-palworld-lawsuit-by-altering-patents-2000135523

Palworld devs are struggling, now crying and accusing Nintendo of moving goal posts to ensure victory in the courtroom. Palworld devs cry while they steal from you.
Anonymous No.716000520 >>716022575
>>716000358 (OP)
Japan literally allows Nintendo to change the wording of patents retroactively and at a whim. There is just no way to beat them.
Anonymous No.716000567 >>716016521
Transtendo changing its form
Anonymous No.716000770 >>716003307
>>716000358 (OP)
Anonymous No.716000842 >>716009403 >>716016521
>>716000358 (OP)
>Palworld devs cry while they steal from you.
Oh, so it's just a tendie seething post
Anonymous No.716000897 >>716000998 >>716001467 >>716013412 >>716016521
Why is Nintendo so Talmudic?
Anonymous No.716000998 >>716003429 >>716005979
>>716000897
when that guy said 'the jew fears the samurai' what he meant was 'the samurai is 5000x times the jew and the lesser jew thus fears his power'
Anonymous No.716001452
>>716000358 (OP)
>However, at least Kingsglory, a Funplus label, does not seem to care and is going ahead with its Aniimo game regardless.
>the whole article is a stealth ad
prove to me palfags arent all israelis.
Anonymous No.716001467 >>716004554 >>716005889 >>716009610 >>716010048 >>716014671 >>716015065 >>716016892 >>716019165
>>716000897
Nintendo is old money, a Zaibatsu giant from a dystopic nation where business is funded with endless government money printing after the 90s crash. If you are ever shocked that a japanese company puts out mediocre products but have a sinister control over the market thanks to an army of lawyers, hooligan consumers and despite awful marketing, it is because they are not truly operating in the market. They are too big to fail, and the government yearly prints out a lot of new yen just so banks are leveraged enough to refinance the debt of the Zaibatsus and keep them alive and well. If Nintendo truly competed in the market, they'd easily be outskilled.

Their best games (Xenoblade) are made by third-party studios. Both recent Zeldas were mediocre Ubisoft game with even worse combat. Mario's potential was wasted on being babified. Pokémon / GameFreak is a disaster that does not require explanations.

If Nintendo truly needed to sell consoles and games, they'd be far better marketed and far more competitive. The post-2008 Nintendo quickly lost its edge because it does not need to innovate anymore. It is not operating in the market anymore.

For them, it is easier to cripple the entire industry as a whole using their money and connections than put out a new game. Crippling Palworld won't make the next Pokémon less of a disappointment or make it sell more. They need to cripple Palworld (and the entire monster-catching genre) because it showed how easy it is to outskill them.
Anonymous No.716001490
test
Anonymous No.716001559
>>716000358 (OP)
But it's okay when Toby does it
Anonymous No.716001583 >>716002064 >>716009403 >>716011213 >>716011654 >>716016584
Honestly, good. The Palworld fags got wayyyyy too big for their britches. An entire game that was only successful because people spite purchased it to own Nintendo and Pokemon. Now they’re getting what they fucking deserve
Anonymous No.716001695 >>716001743 >>716007342 >>716016545
Who cares, this upcoming chink gacha & other future clones going to destroy them both, and Nintendo won't be able to do anything about it since China gives ZERO fucks about copyright.
Anonymous No.716001736
nintendo runs the world
just be a good goy and you'll be fine
Anonymous No.716001743 >>716001891 >>716007617
>>716001695
>gacha
miss me with that gay shit
Anonymous No.716001786 >>716006839 >>716007731 >>716016568
>>716000358 (OP)
So Nintendo can only win by shifting evidence and because they have Japanese courts in their pockets. Palworld should move to US after the court drama is done.
Anonymous No.716001876 >>716002327 >>716004602
>>716000358 (OP)
Why the fuck are you allowed to contest a patent infringement and alter said patent midway through contesting it? How is that fair legally?
Anonymous No.716001891 >>716002002 >>716002839
>>716001743
It will be one of many chinese clones, Hoyoverse is already working on their clone, and it's only a matter of time until China produces one that isn't full-on gachaslop.
Anonymous No.716001940 >>716011114 >>716011253 >>716019348
>>716000358 (OP)
all I want is Gamefreak to get some competition.....they have stagnated, resting in their laurels, and their games have become more and more shitty.....also you will never get a Mewtwo wife, picrel
Anonymous No.716001995
Based Nintendo.
Anonymous No.716002002
>>716001891
>China produces one that isn't full-on gachaslop
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
Anonymous No.716002064 >>716002672 >>716007274 >>716009403 >>716017029
>>716001583
This.

You fuck around, you find out. It is hilarious to read about how the Palworld devs are going public and saying they are literally depressed and having anxiety crisis because of Nintendo. They brought this on themselves.

They were literally thinking they could ripoff all of Pokémon then start selling merchandise and sign up with Sony to set up their bootleg Pokémon as the next multibillionaire IP.

In reality, Palworld was made by six boys and it shows. By the time this lawsuit is done, Palworld devs will be either in jail or flipping burguers to pay royalties to Nintendo while they do extra time cutting every stolen feature from their games.

Remember: this lawsuit only went after they announced the partnership with Sony. Palworld was acting on bad faith all along. They knew shit was gonna hit the fan and tried to strike as many partnership with big business as possible to try and isolate Nintendo.

>b-but why you protecting big business against the upstart plagiarist asset flippers

Nintendo has the right to defend its own IP.
Anonymous No.716002102 >>716002281 >>716002578
>>716000358 (OP)
what is theoretically stopping the palworld devs from patenting something retarded like jumping and then suing nintendo for violating the patent they just filed?
Anonymous No.716002223
>>716000358 (OP)
In no fucking banana court should this kind of dumbfuckery be legal. The judge should punish Nintendo's lawyers for contempt.
Anonymous No.716002281 >>716002418 >>716002786 >>716013873
>>716002102
Palworld doesn't control the courts and has infinite money and endless connections.

Nintendo literally can't be defeated in this contest. They can just rephrase and redraw patents on a whim so that the defense cannot argue anything for themselves.

Patent attorneys from the USA that were consulted are finding this whole affair incredibly bizarre, probably because they are not familiar with how japanese courts work. Anywhere else on Earth Nintendo would be told to fuck off. But Palworld devs were unfortunate enough to be japanese.
Anonymous No.716002313
>but we were in compliance with your patent!

>I am altering the patent. Pray I do not alter it any further.
Anonymous No.716002318
>>716000358 (OP)
kek what the fuck?
This feels rigged
Anonymous No.716002327
>>716001876
Welcome to capitalism
Enjoy your boot sandwich
Anonymous No.716002396 >>716009212
Anonymous No.716002418
>>716002281
>Palworld doesn't control the courts and has infinite money and endless connections.
They have enough money to fight the lawsuit. The matter is whether their connections to Sony or Microsoft will save their ass or not.
Anonymous No.716002451 >>716002556 >>716003040 >>716003168
>>716000358 (OP)
>had the wording of the patent retroactively changed in order to invalidade
Courtrooms are a joke if this is real, this is like giving a murderer on trial a chance to go through the evidence locker unsupervised then come back to the courtroom and say "What evidence?"
Anonymous No.716002512 >>716002971 >>716003040
>>716000358 (OP)
I should start patenting random stuff that's been an idea for years
Anonymous No.716002556
>>716002451
>this is like giving a murderer on trial a chance to go through the evidence locker unsupervised then come back to the courtroom and say "What evidence?"
Didn't this literally just happen in the US? kek
Anonymous No.716002578
>>716002102
amaterasu acts in mysterious ways, gaijin
Anonymous No.716002672 >>716002907 >>716003969 >>716014503
>>716002064
>Nintendo has the right to defend its own IP.
gay take.
Nintendo should obliterate pocketpair because Unoriginal faggots shouldnt be rewarded for producing slop.
Everyone talks about pokemon, but how about ark, the game that it shamelessly ripped off? I dont care if Nintendo sues pocketpair for using the wrong fucking font, they need to face some punishment for boasting about "not being interested in original ideas" and trend chasing like hacks, they cant say "oh were a poor indie" because they ripped off an indie studio to do it.
Anonymous No.716002693 >>716002943
>>716000358 (OP)
Palworld should've really just move to another country, and told Nintendo to suck it.
Anonymous No.716002731
>>716000358 (OP)
Can an anon larping as an eleven nitpick seething nip tendie comments and post them here in broken english? Best part of these threads
Anonymous No.716002745
>it's another fake outrage ragebait thread
yawn
Anonymous No.716002770 >>716002873 >>716003318 >>716006198
>>716000358 (OP)
How the fuck is it even legal for Nintendo to retroactively redefine their patent? In particular with premeditated intent to be able to use the doctored patent in a running legal case?

Like WTF?
Anonymous No.716002772
>>716000358 (OP)
What fucking legal system lets you not only file a patent after something came out so you can sue them for it, but change the patent after filing the lawsuit so you'll have a stronger case? The judge HAS to throw this out, right?
Anonymous No.716002786 >>716002951 >>716003060 >>716007447
>>716002281
Lmao the palworld devs were retarded to think they could take on us nintengods
Anonymous No.716002839
>>716001891
>and it's only a matter of time until China produces one that isn't full-on gachaslop.

They're already making one it's called Roco Kingdom World.
Anonymous No.716002873
>>716002770
Japan is 100 years behind on literally everything anon
Anonymous No.716002907 >>716002950 >>716003313
>>716002672
Or how about, Nintendo should be obliterated for putting out such awful garbage in the last 5 years.
Anonymous No.716002943 >>716003240
>>716002693
They're all Japanese, and nips can't into cultural integration.
Anonymous No.716002949
Palworld WON
Shartendo LOST
Anonymous No.716002950 >>716016731
>>716002907
cry about it fagget
Anonymous No.716002951 >>716003848
>>716002786
You are nobody and the palworld devs aren't taking you on
Anonymous No.716002971 >>716003037
>>716002512
Good luck fucko, I have a patent for a hotdog dispensing belt and I am fully prepared to alter it on the fly to patent troll anyone in my path and make trillions doing it.
Anonymous No.716003019
>>716000358 (OP)
Japan is such an insanely cucked country, kek.
Anonymous No.716003037
>>716002971
Damn, I was gonna do that.... You're so smart and clearly legal....
Anonymous No.716003040 >>716003521
>>716002512
There are people who live off patent trolling. They patent something inocuous, then go after a company that had that idea applied and sue them for money.

But you won't be as lucky as Nintendo. Nintendo can create the patent, alter the patent mid-lawsuit, has access to all documents of the lawsuit (so they know the counter-arguments), and can at any time just rephrase or rewrite patents to make the defense petitions pointless.

It is like this anon explained, >>716002451 Basically, you are allowing the accusation or the defendant to just alter the crime scene to invalidate an argument of the opposite contestant.

They literally wrote themselves around the defense of the Palworld legal team by altering the patent.

At one point, didn't Miyamoto want to patent the entire concept of platformers because Mario was a hit? The only thing that changed from then is that Nintendo has become more and more abusive with time.
Anonymous No.716003060 >>716003848
>>716002786
>nintengods
Feeble little gnomelets hiding behind daddy government, you mean?
Nintendo's behavior is that of a spiteful 5 year old lying to their parents that another kid who outdid them, beat them up - while hoping that kid'll be put through the wringer for it and learn a lesson.

Nintendo is PATHETIC.
Anonymous No.716003117
>>716000358 (OP)
total palkek death lmao
Anonymous No.716003168 >>716003901
>>716002451
I know youre an american because you have no idea how western legal systems work (which is why japan uses for patents)
What you think:
>create a patent post-hoc, then sue, and when you might not win, change the patent so you do win
What is actually happening:
>made a clarifying addendum to an existing patent (adding details, thus LIMITING its scope)
>opponent makes a jewish claim that "we didnt make the animation perfectly smooth, so its not the same thing"
>further clarify patent with "the patented design does not require the animation to be smooth"
Thats not to mention that a game with a framerate issue can now cause problems with the patent because the game itself does not adhere to it.
Anonymous No.716003240
>>716002943
they can live in my house
Anonymous No.716003281 >>716003460 >>716003464 >>716003775 >>716003958 >>716006293 >>716007104 >>716007610 >>716007850 >>716009158 >>716010758 >>716013293
Genuine question: why is palworld a problem when the zillion other monster hunter type games aren't?
>inb4 muh pokemon with guns
Digimon for example is bascially "discount pokemon" to anyone who doesn't play it, AND its name even sounds similar - enough that I could imagine clueless moms who call their kid's console a "nintendo" confusing the two. Has there ever been a single lawsuit from nintendo agains digimon?
Not to mention the contents of the patents seem absurd anyway. Mounts? The fuck? Every MMO ever out there has mounts, some of them are flying. In Skyrim you can mount a dragon. A zillion games have horses. Isn't Ark literally a monster collecting game where you can fly AND ride your monsters as mounts? Also, how come you can patent such basic gameplay mechanics - I get that japanese patent law is shit and yadda yadda, but even in japan people were making platformer games despite mario existing for example.
Anonymous No.716003307
>>716000770
TPBP.

Does Pokemon have all the Pokemon in the generations post-7? No? Then I don't give a fuck, let them both fight.
Anonymous No.716003313 >>716003920
>>716002907
>how DARE you criticize my slop, my jewish keepers made it especially for ME!
Totk was 10/10 and you will never stop being mad about it.
Anonymous No.716003318
>>716002770
The judge that judges the lawsuit of the infringement is not the judge that judges if Nintendo's alterations mid-lawsuit are valid, and by law, the lawsuit judges need to follow the current understanding of the JPO (Japan Patent Office). So if the JPO allows and accepts any changes pushed by Nintendo at a whim, the copyright lawsuit judges need to correctly make decisions based on the updated understanding of the JPO.

The tl;dr is that there is no winning against Nintendo.

What shocks me is that all this effort that they enact to harm the industry does not go into making better games.
Anonymous No.716003429
>>716000998
kek
Anonymous No.716003460 >>716003583
>>716003281
Because Palworld sold 30+ million copies, taking a massive shit on Nintendo's pride, and you know how autistic japs are about muh honor.
Anonymous No.716003464 >>716003583 >>716004085 >>716012514
>>716003281
>Digimon
Nintendo is big, but they are NOT going to war with Bandai.
Anonymous No.716003521
>>716003040
>didn't Miyamoto want to patent the entire concept of platformers because Mario was a hit
Worse, he wanted to patent "Jumping".
Anonymous No.716003583 >>716003732 >>716003840 >>716003932 >>716004795 >>716012514
>>716003460
>nintendo is suing because palworld is too big
>>716003464
>nintendo isn't suing because digimon is too big

Besides palworld is FOTM and nobody would even be talking about it anymore if not for the lawsuit.
Anonymous No.716003654
>>716000358 (OP)
YOU TAKE POKEMON MOON AND POKEMON SUN
YOU TAKE EVERYTHING THAT SEEMS LIKE FUN
YOU SHOOT EM ALL UP AND THEN YOU'RE DONE
RADDA RADDA RADDA, RADDA RADDA
Anonymous No.716003732 >>716004085 >>716004326
>>716003583
Palworld is relatively big, Pocketpair is not.
Digimon is big, and Bandai is much, much bigger.
Anonymous No.716003775 >>716004085 >>716007732
>>716003281
The nail that sticks out has to be hammered down. Yo-kai Watch didn't make a breakthrough in the West, Digimon was never a threat because they lived off anime and can't make a good game or a card game to save themselves, all the other monster-catching failed.

Then Palworld comes in, makes it big with a team of less than ten teenagers, shows how easy it is to copy Nintendo and make a Pokémon Ark game. It was humiliating.

Then Palworld devs try to start selling merchandise (which is bootleg of TPC merchandise). Then Palworld devs ally with Sony. Clearly they needed to be put down.

Also, Nintendo clarified from day 0 when Palworld was release that they were investigating the game. If they didn't fulfill their promisse, they'd have failed.
Anonymous No.716003808 >>716003982 >>716004165 >>716004239
Digifags are we going to be ok
Anonymous No.716003840 >>716004795
>>716003583
>palworld is FOTM
41k players on right now.

Palworld sold very well but pocketpair is a small company, bandai is a fucking titan, to attack such a powerful corporation would be a suicide.
Anonymous No.716003848 >>716004525
>>716002951
>>716003060
Can't hear you over the sound of Nintendo winning
Anonymous No.716003901 >>716004780
>>716003168
>adding details, thus LIMITING its scope)
how is adding "even if" limiting anything?
seems like it expands the reach of the patent to me
Anonymous No.716003903
>>716000358 (OP)
>Palworld devs are struggling, now crying and accusing Nintendo of moving goal posts to ensure victory in the courtroom.
Dunno about you but to me that sounds like Palworld devs are winning and Nintendo is scrambling to strengthen their dubious claims
Anonymous No.716003920
>>716003313
>banjo kazooie nuts & bolts with ubislop & dead island mechanics being 10/10
Lmao
Anonymous No.716003932 >>716004326
>>716003583
bandai namco is worth 3 trillion dollars dude, a few million sales is nothing
palworld is not too big to sue, but it was too big to ignore
Anonymous No.716003958
>>716003281
>Genuine question: why is palworld a problem when the zillion other monster hunter type games aren't?
Because the artstyle is close to Pokémon.

Of course, it's still not so close that there is an issue of character likeness rights being violated.
Or that there is the potential for brand confusion.

But Nintendo are nothing if not spiteful motherfucks, so they switched tactics to attacking the actual game mechanics that hold the game together instead. They cooked up some patents specific to various hitherto unpatented concepts used in their Pokémon games, and were able to file those with the Japanese patent office after-the-fact through some archaic and VERY stupid aspects of the Japanese legal system, such that Palworld itself wouldn't be prior art to the patent filings. And after that they sued Palworld over those cooked-up patents.

During the case, Palworld's legal team found loopholes in Nintendo's fabricated patents to keep most of the game mechanics intact and keep the game going. So of course, Nintendo is pissed off even more now, and are resorting to modifying the already crooked patents even more, so they cover up the loopholes.
Anonymous No.716003969
>>716002672
Ark is a derivative game in a derivative genre
Anonymous No.716003982
>>716003808
Bandai senpai is supposed to protect Digimon. But it also means Digimon devs are run by people with the same mentality as Sonic Team devs, so we are never in danger of them making a good game or an actual good product.

That being said, Time Stranger has mountable Digimon. They should remove this feature, people might think they are up to something.
Anonymous No.716004048 >>716004694
>>716000358 (OP)
How can you even patent switching horseback riding to flying on the back of a bird in a game? The fuck? That is so absurd in itself. The ridiculous irony of all this is these Nintendo fuckers literally ripped off Dragon Quest and have the gall to even do any of this.
Anonymous No.716004074 >>716004594
>>716000358 (OP)
Nigga, just move the development to China.
Anonymous No.716004085 >>716005051 >>716005294
>>716003464
>>716003732
Also I just looked it up and Bandai has like 1/10th the money of Nintendo. While Sony has 3 times the income and profits. Weird way to pick your battles.

>>716003775
>Digimon [...] can't make a good game or a card game to save themselves
Neither can pokemon lmao. But yeah fair enough.
What about Ark: Survival Evolved? Is it just because the style isn't cartoony enough that makes it different?
>Also, Nintendo clarified from day 0 when Palworld was release that they were investigating the game.
So do they say this for every new monster hunting game/franchise and then just never follow through if it doesn't sell too much? Or was Palworld special from the start somehow?
Anonymous No.716004105 >>716004176
>>716000358 (OP)
HE
Anonymous No.716004165
>>716003808
I will play time stranger on release.
Anonymous No.716004176
>>716004105
HAS
Anonymous No.716004239
>>716003808
Yes, Scamco is a giant that even Nintendo would struggle with
Anonymous No.716004248 >>716004397 >>716004421 >>716020269
>>716000358 (OP)
Japs really are asian jews huh?
Anonymous No.716004326 >>716004527
>>716003932
>>716003732
For real Nintendo are lucky that Bandai has never taken video games seriously and put their real weight into it, since their target demographic is the same as them.
Anonymous No.716004397 >>716004538
>>716004248
Nah the Chinese are the jews of the asians.
Anonymous No.716004421 >>716004538
>>716004248
There is a reason the jews fear the samurai.
Anonymous No.716004525
>>716003848
What does winning sound like? What does my post sound like for that matter?
Anonymous No.716004527
>>716004326
cope
Anonymous No.716004538
>>716004397
I always thought that too but the more I see this shit the more I think its the japs.
>>716004421
We didn't realize why until it was too late...
Anonymous No.716004554
>>716001467
>palworld invented sheep
>palworld invented rabbits
>palworld invented snakes
Anonymous No.716004594
>>716004074
Or to Europe.
Europe doesn't acknowledge patents unless they are actually innovative. And game rules or game mechanics are by definition declared not-innovative.
Anonymous No.716004602
>>716001876
its called "nintendo owns the courts" and "fuck you peasant these laws no longer benefit you"
Anonymous No.716004604
>>716000358 (OP)
>move out of japan
>problem solved
Anonymous No.716004618
>>716000358 (OP)
Nintendo being the worst corrupt bribing corpo as usual
Anonymous No.716004694 >>716007741
>>716004048
Masuda is the final boss of the gaming industry and he knows it. You don't rise from a college dropout 8-bit music composer to the game director and main mind of the world's most valuable IP. He's probably the japanese Epstein by now. We all know Ishihara and Tajiri had zero creativity and stole the designs. We all know Masuda sampled american rock music ('One twelve-one guns' was sampled to make the most beautiful track of Diamond and Pearl) to make the soundtrack of most recent games.

Business in Japan is a jungle. Don't hate the players, hate the game. He will do what he must to cripple this entire industry in the name of The Pokémon Company and GameFreak.
Anonymous No.716004780 >>716009093
>>716003901
The first addendum, the one that was supposedly "nintendo filed a patent for ___ AFTER palworld came out"
The newest addendum is just clarifying that nintendo did not intend to patent the quality of an animation (the argument PP was using to say it was invalid) but the mechanical act of the transitional movement represented by the animation.
Anonymous No.716004795 >>716005324 >>716005715
>>716003840
>>716003583
Digimon gets a pass because they didn't start as a video game. Digimon has always been a toy seller for the Tomagachi.

Same reason they didn't go after Yo-Kai-Watch despite having a legit case against them: The watch was where it started, not the game. Palworld is a parody of Pokemon that has no presence anywhere else.
Anonymous No.716004852
Tendies and Blizzshart need to die. Literally zero downsides, only positive gains.
Anonymous No.716004887 >>716004962 >>716005193
>>716000358 (OP)
can just they retire the game from Jewpan, the land owned by Jewtendo? and only deal with western laws?
Anonymous No.716004939
>>716000358 (OP)
Nintendo and their fans are fucking pathetic
Anonymous No.716004962
>>716004887
Their developers live there. Picture if you started selling a 1:1 pokemon knockoff exclusively in Russia but you live in the US. You're still getting in trouble even though it's someplace that doesn't recognize Nintendo's claim to its IP.
Anonymous No.716005004 >>716005086 >>716005608
>>716000358 (OP)
>Updates prove things are grim for nintendo all over the internet
>suddenly this cope thread
Nega Eric, you need to stop, this is sad.
Anonymous No.716005051
>>716004085
Valuation =/= money
Bandai and Namco are also both well known to have Yakuza roots as well. They probably have backroom agreements with Nintendo.
Anonymous No.716005053 >>716005667 >>716005770
>>716000358 (OP)
how the fuck can you patent something as basic of switching from ground to flying mount
Anonymous No.716005086
>>716005004
>nega eric
I laft
Anonymous No.716005193 >>716005945
>>716004887
Now that the lawsuit has started, it is probably not legal for them to just move all their assets offshore. I mean I don't know anything about japanese law, but I'd expect it to not be possible.
It could work if the US said fuck you to Japan, but since they're supposed to be allies, if there's a clear-cut legal clawback doctrine then the US would very very likely cooperate (unless god-emperor Trump gets on the case and proclaims differently). So the patent lawsuit would proceed in Japan and then if they lose in the Japanese court, Japan would come to the US and say "see this company moved all of its assets during an active court case, now they lost the court case and legally we want all their assets, help us recover them" and the US would likely do so.

They should have started the company outside of Japan in the first place, especially knowing what Nintendo is like, but they're retards and didn't. Like, shit, even if they're all Japanese, they could still have incorporated their company in Delaware or something and maintained their assets overseas, and been nearly lawsuit-proof.
Anonymous No.716005236 >>716005330
>>716000358 (OP)
I have no horse in this race but its crazy the lengths nintendo will go to to kill this company when they could just make a pokemon game that isnt complete shit
Anonymous No.716005294 >>716005347 >>716005945
>>716004085
Sony has nothing to do with Palworld the game
Anonymous No.716005324 >>716005541
>>716004795
>Same reason they didn't go after Yo-Kai-Watch despite having a legit case against them
the fuck do you mean a legit case (unless you mean a "legit" case of the fucked up japanese courtroom type)
YW is nothing like pokemon beyond being about catching monsters
Anonymous No.716005330
>>716005236
Making you eat shit is the entire point of modern entertainment. Why would they improve it?
Anonymous No.716005347 >>716005525 >>716005945
>>716005294
except for all the lawyer money apparently
Anonymous No.716005516 >>716005762 >>716005876
How brainlets think video game patents work:
>I was first on this hill, and that means anybody who tries to use the word "peepeepoopoo" owes me money
How patents actually work:
>tech priest uses mathematical formula to determine the perfect way to have the black mirror conjure up the word "peepeepoopoo"
>someone steals that formula and reproduces it.

picrel, its the infamous "how many times does a pokeball shake" formula.
Anonymous No.716005525
>>716005347
Source? It's not apparent to me
Anonymous No.716005535
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX0oO1z9_N4
Anonymous No.716005541 >>716005681
>>716005324
>the fuck do you mean a legit case (unless you mean a "legit" case of the fucked up japanese courtroom type)
The latter, all of the patents they have around monster catching and fighting absolutely apply to Yo-Kai-Watch but it would make zero sense to go after them because of their revenue streams: The games are in service to the watches.
This is partially why it just evaporated as a video game franchise.

>YW is nothing like pokemon beyond being about catching monsters
While Nintendo doesn't own catching monsters, they do own the patent on the way you catch certain types of monsters and battle them
Anonymous No.716005604 >>716005749 >>716005910
I think we are looking at a case of bruised ego more than actual buisness being impacted. Pokemon and Palworld arent even competing for the same market, and this can be seen with pokemon still selling gangbusters despite the games being legitimate steam greenlight era garbage. But I think some nintendo exec saw some literal who chink indie devs doing pokemon with guns, somehow it was better than your average new pokemon game, and said to himself "this cannot standaru" and walked over to the legal department to initiate lawfag jihad.
Anonymous No.716005608 >>716005936
>>716005004
>Updates prove things are grim for nintendo all over the internet

How?
Can you explain? Sure having to clarify with the patent office is silly and may just get ignored by the judge since this is a different judge from the patent office, but how does this look grim for Nintendo?
Anonymous No.716005648 >>716005728
>>716000358 (OP)
Why cant nintendo just buy pocketpair and have them naje next pokemon game?
Anonymous No.716005667 >>716005770
>>716005053
The keyword is "smoothly"
Anonymous No.716005681
>>716005541
that's messed up, man
Anonymous No.716005715
>>716004795
There are a million of blatant pokemon clones, not only in design but all the way down to the gameplay and mechanics, they just went against palworld because it was actually successful.

Because It showed nintendo that a small team of clueless developers can kick their ass making a vastly superior game in the genre Nintendo dominate, and that gf is full of lazy hacks.
Anonymous No.716005728 >>716005993 >>716008021
>>716005648
why make a better product when you can use the law like a cudgel to destroy anyone challenging you?
Anonymous No.716005749 >>716005825
>>716005604
It's true that Nintendo's Ego probably plays a part and it doesn't help that people were rubbing it in Nintendo's face "SEE? SEE? THIS IS HOW YOU DO A POKEMON GAME" as well as all of the "NINTENDOOOO KILL THESE MEN" letters. They even made a press statement saying that they saw all of the outrage over Palworld and were responding within their legal rights.

That said I think it's also a matter of control. Palworld is a Sony property. Sony doesn't get to have Pokemon. End of story.
Anonymous No.716005762
>>716005516
I am 99.99% sure palworld didn't copy any of the formulas from pokemon for governing its game mechanics. If it had, it would be so easy to change it and it would also be very clear infringement that would be completely not worth fighting

So far all the news are focusing on patents around flying mounts or some shit, which is basically
>the concept of standing on a hill and speaking belongs to me now and nobody else can climb a hill to say anything
Anonymous No.716005770
>>716005053
>>716005667
WoW was doing this already
Anonymous No.716005825 >>716005949 >>716006091 >>716008545
>>716005749
>Palworld is a Sony property
OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I didnt know that. That explains everything now lol
Anonymous No.716005843 >>716005947 >>716005950
>Palworld thread
Fuck yea
Just started the gobfin meta grind
R8 my gob squad
Anonymous No.716005876 >>716006428
>>716005516
How it actually works
>I own this vague concept that's existed in games for years but because I put a tiny spin on it, I get to claim unrelated spins that aren't mine also fall under it.

>If that's proven wrong I will edit it at the patent office to where it's right

And now (You) are here trying to tell us that's a good thing, brainlet.
Anonymous No.716005889
>>716001467
/thread
Anonymous No.716005910
>>716005604
This is about Nintendo keeping the bar low, can't have some nobody company come out of nowhere and prove they can make a better game with a skeleton crew. Nintendo doesn't want to have to actually raise the budget for their Pokemon games to compete, they just want to stomp the competition out through legal bullying.
>Meanwhile Nintendo fans are being stockholm syndrome retards and cheering on Nintendo so they can fuck them some more with cheap ass gameboy advance tier games in 2025 and beyond.
Anonymous No.716005936 >>716006195
>>716005608
Nintendo is trying to bank it's case on a very subjective understanding of a vaguely described system, a system that they didn't even execute until after palworld came out.
Anonymous No.716005945 >>716006074 >>716006354
>>716005193
I don't see Palworld going over in this lawsuit.

Nintendo will gut every feature of Palworld, then gut the Pokémon designs once it is established Palworld is an easy target.

A chinese business will have to be the savior of the monster-catching genre by making a Pokémon clone that is protected by chinese law.

>>716005347
>>716005294
Pal devs are teenagers and early adults. They are no older than 30. They do not have a lot of life experience, much less for a big courtroom battle like this. This is the most important lawsuit of their life and the lawsuit that decides what is done of years of their work.

The Sony legal department is offering them all the necessary legal consulting and assistance. But when push comes to shove, they'll likely just sacrifice Palworld and abandon them if they smell blood in the water (and it is smelling bad already).

Nintendo shills say Palworld cutting features that Nintendo sued them for is already a sign that Pal devs are giving up.
Anonymous No.716005947
>>716005843
Based team.
Anonymous No.716005949 >>716013124
>>716005825
Yup, lmao. All of this gets explained when you realize Palworld only exists because it was jump-started by Sony.
Anonymous No.716005950
>>716005843
palturd is finished
Anonymous No.716005979
>>716000998
I mean miyamoto musashi is literally the biggest jew to ever exist
Anonymous No.716005993 >>716006207
>>716005728
I mean, few literally whos would be, for sure, much cheaper than whathever unholy abomination gamefreak is.
That their game would turn out much better would be just a happy accident.
Anonymous No.716006074
>>716005945
This
reminder Nintendo owns legal slaves who owe every cent they make to Nintendo the rest of their lives, and the same will happen to the palworld devs if they lose hard enough.
Anonymous No.716006091 >>716006261
>>716005825
It extra funny when this came about when Sony bought them, not when they first released the game.
They are mad butthurt over Sony.
Anonymous No.716006098 >>716006193
>>716000000
Anonymous No.716006193
>>716006098
What a waste of GET.
Anonymous No.716006195
>>716005936
That's a fair point. The fact they can clarify mid-case must make them think there is some legal precedent for it.
Anonymous No.716006198 >>716006942
>>716002770
Its for clarity.
Anonymous No.716006207
>>716005993
yeah but that like... sounds like a lot of work man like they would have to restructure the company and it already makes good money and we have this giant legal budget we need to justify....
sooooo I think we should just send our lawyer army after them instead
Anonymous No.716006237 >>716011717 >>716015546
Patents used to be for actual devices. "Here I devised a method to cut gears with more precision than any other machine in existence", "here I built a mechanism that uses steam power to weave textile completely autonomously". Then you'd put it into practice and both advance industry while reaping your reward, and after a short period of time, others would then be able to make use of the idea (if nobody else came up with their own way to do it in the meantime, or even a better way).

Now it's all "hmm what if you make a game... or story or scenario... where someone says peepeepoopoo, in some context or something... yeah then that'll be our idea", with zero actual intellectual value behind it, zero invention or innovation. Patents used to be about "inventions" someone painstakingly worked on and wishes to monetize without being undercut, now it's just random ideas that some idea guy is paid to shit out 200 per day and filed just in case someone else shits out the same idea and you want to fuck over their business.
Anonymous No.716006261
>>716006091
iirc Sony didn't buy palworld/pocketpair they simply collaborate with them.
Anonymous No.716006287 >>716006531
Why not change the wording to "every single thing that has, does, or will exist is owned by Nintendo"
Anonymous No.716006293
>>716003281
Because they plagiarized designs.
Anonymous No.716006302 >>716006418
>>716000358 (OP)
This is signalling a loss of confidence FOR NINTENDO, stuff like this never happens for confiden people.

Judges often look at everything that's happened unless it's stricken from the record and they're a lot smarter than you'd think they are, a judge would look at this decision and hold it against nintendo.
Anonymous No.716006314
Japan is a cucked nation deserving a century of humiliation and five million pajeets, and jewtendo must be gassed
Anonymous No.716006354
>>716005945
Here's the thing about Palworld:
The monster catching is actually secondary to its gameplay. Palworld is a very non-distinct copy of Ark mixed with their last game, Craftopia.

Even if they gut almost all of the monster-catching features, they can't kill Palworld just by doing that alone. The reason people are playing are not the monster catching aspects. They have to destroy the company itself to kill Palworld and that's probably not going to happen.
Anonymous No.716006398 >>716006443 >>716006485
Ark has been mentioned in the thread, can't you use that as prior art? You catch dinosaurs and you can ride AND fly them, and it came out years ago long before palworld or nintendo's patents.
Anonymous No.716006418
>>716006302
>FOR NINTENDO
you think that judge isn't on Nintendo's payroll?
Anonymous No.716006428 >>716006558 >>716006632 >>716007326
>>716005876
>describing something that JPO Article.29(1) explicitly describes as novelty breaking
>calling me a brainlet.
I know your next dumpsterbrain cope is "nintendo just ignores that! they have JPO insiders that approve invalid patents" and to that I'd like to ask why the fuck THAT wasnt PP's defense then.

Fucking americans have no right to talk about law, youre all drooling retards who think you can do anything without restriction because "muh first amendment"
Anonymous No.716006443 >>716006553
>>716006398
Pocketpair already has that as an established part of their legal defense.
Anonymous No.716006485
>>716006398
They don't even have to go that far.
Palworld is directly based on Craftopia, another game made by pocket pair which has monster catching/riding/base building. It just doesn't have things like the spheres. Palworld is Craftopia with the spheres and monster raising.
Anonymous No.716006531
>>716006287
They're working on it
Anonymous No.716006553
>>716006443
They're still fucked. It doesn't matter about prior art, changing parents, they can't win. The Japanese are run by the government who is run by the Yakuza who is run by Nintendo. Pocket pair could say 2+2=4 and they'd still get sued and lose to Nintendo who insist that it is 5.
Anonymous No.716006558 >>716006886
>>716006428
>I know your next dumpsterbrain cope
Ironic from a nigger brain who's only line of defense is "Nintendo's cock slaps the back of my throat like a jackhammer".
>>describing something that JPO Article.29(1) explicitly describes as novelty breaking
Except they just did it lmao

I accept your concession and look forward to another hundred posts of you trying to act like this is remotely acceptable.
Anonymous No.716006564
Man
All this time playing WoW since TBC
I never knew I was patent infringing nintendo while farming elemental fires
Anonymous No.716006586 >>716006652
>arcticle suggests Nintendo might be struggling
>claim they're winning.
Don't ever be a pokefag.
Anonymous No.716006632 >>716006886
>>716006428
>claims other people are dumpsterbrains

>Fucking americans have no right to talk about law, youre all drooling retards who think you can do anything without restriction because "muh first amendment"

>says this shit because he's a projecting dumpsterbrain
irony. why does /v/ attract all the retards who speak so highly of shit they don't understand at all? Oh lemme guess you're a lawyer in whatever brown shithole you crawled out of?

America owns the world and owns you baby, deal with it.
Anonymous No.716006652
>>716006586
>claim they're winning
what else do you do in a rigged game you're openly cheating at?
Anonymous No.716006762 >>716006807
>>716000358 (OP)
>Poketrannies
>Furryworld
I hope they both kill themselves
Anonymous No.716006807 >>716006859
>>716006762
Most of palworld's waifu designs aren't furry.
Anonymous No.716006820
>>716000358 (OP)
palworld should leave japan.
Anonymous No.716006839 >>716007413 >>716017109
>>716001786
Nintendo literally built video games culture and industry in the US, it will be the same.
Anonymous No.716006859 >>716006934
>>716006807
I'm talking about the fanbases...
Anonymous No.716006886 >>716007198
>>716006632
>>716006558
>No arguments found
lmao
Anonymous No.716006918
I hope palworld loses, indie games deserve to die.
Anonymous No.716006934
>>716006859
oh...well...then...i...guess...you're...the...coolest...edgelord...ever...bro........................
Anonymous No.716006942 >>716007036 >>716007065
>>716006198
>adding text to a patent to specifically circumvent a counter-claim is not changing the original patent, goy

If I wear an accessory, am I not changing my outfit?
Anonymous No.716007036 >>716007145 >>716007370
>>716006942
no
you're accessorizing
you retard
this is more akin to patenting tshirts
someone else makes a sleeveless one
and then you go back and add "whether it has sleeves or not"
Anonymous No.716007041 >>716007298
I haven't been following this but what's the case here in Nintendos favor? How can they claim copyright on all monsters/capture mechanics?
Anonymous No.716007065
>>716006942
>You can't wear that necklace, I'm wearing that necklace!
>No you're not.
>Now I am.
Anonymous No.716007104
>>716003281
Palworld became a threat when they announced they were turning it into a media franchise, like Pokemon.
Anonymous No.716007145 >>716007214
>>716007036
Good example
Because a sleeveless shirt is specifically and overtly NOT a t-shirt.
Anonymous No.716007198
>>716006886
>He replied
Called it. Hahaha you really are too brown to think. I accept your concession a second time.
Anonymous No.716007214 >>716007428
>>716007145
tshirts can be sleeveless
my patent says so right there
Anonymous No.716007274
>>716002064
You deserve to die
Paid shill faggot
Anonymous No.716007298 >>716008315
Nintendo moving the goalpost is a move that shows they're struggling. You don't go back and edit patents like that unless you know you're losing. There is absolutely zero reason for them to change the text if they were confident that they were winning. Nintendo is tucking their shoestrings into their shoes rather than tying them at this point. Only a matter of time until they're holding their pants up with their bare hands like some American youths did in the early 2000s and 2010s.

>>716007041
There's really not a case. Nintendo is attempting to patent common sense things (it has a better term, but I can't remember off the top of my head) and using those against Palworld. Palworld removed the "offending" problems to be able to continue developing the game during the lawsuit. Nintendo just recently went back and altered evidence in an effort to basically just take control of the concept of mounting another entity in a 3D environment. Nintendo is literally Lord Farquaad pointing at his crown and calling himself king right now. We're just waiting for the lipstick dragon to eat Nintendo at this point.
Anonymous No.716007326
>>716006428
>describing something that JPO Article.29(1) explicitly describes as novelty breaking
Then what Nintendo did should be novelty breaking.
Except it's not because Nintendo owns these patent offices. Proof: They just did this in the middle of an active case, which would absolutely get them fucked in any other courtroom anywhere in the world except Japan.
Anonymous No.716007342
>>716001695
>Gatcha
Fuck off kindly
Anonymous No.716007370
>>716007036
>this is more akin to patenting tshirts
>someone else makes a sleeveless one
>and then you go back and add "whether it has sleeves or not"

Nigga, that is the point. This is not how patents are supposed to work. You CAN'T ADD 'even if' statements to patents, you are outstretching the claim. This never happens. The american consultant was shocked that Nintendo actually pulled this bullshit off and had it approved mid-lawsuit.

And the context where this change to the pattent is happening (calling it an addendum is acting on bad faith) makes it all worse, more suspicious and downright unfair. Hence why Pal devs are calling out Nintendo for moving goal posts.
Anonymous No.716007413
>>716006839
No the fuck they didnt you fucking tendotroon
Anonymous No.716007428 >>716007474
>>716007214
But then it's not shaped like a T anymore
Anonymous No.716007447
>>716002786
Everyone involved with Nintendo deserves to die
Anonymous No.716007474
>>716007428
sorry that sounds like cope
maybe next time dont steal my tshirt design?
Anonymous No.716007579 >>716007787
>>716000358 (OP)
>Just reward it in your favor
Nobody cares you like to slurp Nintencum
Anonymous No.716007610 >>716007804
>>716003281
Because bandai (digimon creators) makes Pokemon toys in japan
Anonymous No.716007617
>>716001743
I will play it harder just to make gacha haters seethe
Anonymous No.716007703 >>716008463
>>716000358 (OP)
>THINGS ARE LOOKING *TERRIBLE* FOR PALWORLD DEVS
but the first article is literally saying that this is bad for *Nintendo*? what are you talking about
Anonymous No.716007731
>>716001786
>Moving to the US
Fuck NO, have you seen the us latelly?
Go anywhere but the us or russia, like those other retards.
Anonymous No.716007732 >>716008128
>>716003775
>Digimon was never a threat because they lived off anime and can't make a good game or a card game to save themselves
It's mostly that Digimon game's quality is completely random so it cannot take off because for every game strictly superior to a Pokemon, they somehow manage to immediately follow it with the most mediocre game possible so they immediately kill the embryo of a new fandom the previous game started.
Anonymous No.716007741
>>716004694
>('One twelve-one guns' was sampled to make the most beautiful track of Diamond and Pearl)
Diamond & Pearl came out way before that Green Day song. Like 3 whole years before. Do yur research before making up shit.
Anonymous No.716007787
>>716007579
**reword
HAHAHAHAH I won
Anonymous No.716007802 >>716008662
>>716000358 (OP)
>That patent is outdated your honor
Anonymous No.716007804
>>716007610
They have made Pokemon toys long before Digimon
Anonymous No.716007850 >>716008081
>>716003281
no one in the history of man has ever confused a digimon as a pokemon
meanwhile palworld may as well print "from the guy that played breath of the wild" and "designed by looking at pokemon" on the tin
Anonymous No.716007962
So are video games trash now because of Nintendo? They just patent every mechanic they possibly can.
Anonymous No.716008021
>>716005728
more profit?
Anonymous No.716008081 >>716008559
>>716007850
Why do people keep using the , "dogs looks like nintendog" argument? Not even jewtendo is suing because of it, they themselves reuse likeness of animals and other games
Anonymous No.716008124
>>716000358 (OP)
It should be illegal to
A retroactively patent your shot and
B retroactively alter your patent during a suit regarding the patent
Anonymous No.716008128
>>716007732
You mean they're all different, tranny.
Anonymous No.716008196
>>716000358 (OP)
I'M NOT WEARING A TIE AT ALL
Anonymous No.716008217 >>716008357 >>716008709
>>716000358 (OP)
How is this even fucking legal to make patent, not only for game mechanics, but also retro actively change them to fuck over your concurrence.
Anonymous No.716008315 >>716008391
>>716007298
So basically Nintendo's tactic is to bankrupt them through pointless legal litigation? Could work. Scummy, but it's the game
Anonymous No.716008357
>>716008217
it isn't. this is mafia behavior
Anonymous No.716008391
>>716008315
>So basically Nintendo's tactic is to bankrupt them through pointless legal litigation?
No. Actually it's all pocketpair that it's even going this long
Anonymous No.716008463 >>716008552
>>716007703
OP is paid to shill palworld and the best way to do it here is to make use of /v/'s NDS.
Anonymous No.716008545
>>716005825
Sony music (aniplex) owns/works with Palworld entertainment. They're making anime and shit. This is outside the games industry
Anonymous No.716008552
>>716008463
I'm literally paid to defend nitnendo. So what? Gonna cry about it? Piss and shit your pants maybe? Maybe have a little wank in your shitty pissy pants?
Anonymous No.716008559 >>716008785
>>716008081
yeah, totally
palworld artists totally looked at a dog to design their dog monster
and not at how gamefreak designed a dog monster, that would be crazy to insinuate
Anonymous No.716008654
Pkmn is not a videogame anymore it’s a style of life in japan, palworld is gong to lose there no matter they do and not only pkmn but everything Nintendo related
Anonymous No.716008662
>>716007802
Heh.
Anonymous No.716008709 >>716008807
>>716008217
Last time it happened it was to make it less broad so Colopl couldn't weasel they way into retroactively fucking everyone up so assume it's something like that.
Anonymous No.716008785 >>716008992 >>716009025
>>716008559
Thats the shit
Pokemon has a lot of copy paste designs from dragonquest and other smaller games i dont remember the names

But nintendofans insisting on it
While nintendo itself doesnt
Is just peak retardation
Anonymous No.716008807 >>716008920 >>716013841
>>716008709
>edit patent to be broad as fuck
>"its to make it less broad probably"
damn man
i didnt believe the shit about the literacy rate but fuck
here we are
Anonymous No.716008860 >>716009656
I like how everyone is making these insane theories as to why Nintendo is going after Palworld like the explanation isn't just that Pocketpair did what they always did but didn't know that Nintendo patents their shit
Anonymous No.716008920 >>716008972 >>716009656
>>716008807
Anon, you literally can't add anything to a patent that would make it more broad. It's reviewed before it's approved you know.
Anonymous No.716008972 >>716009050
>>716008920
>Anon you cant do the thing that this very thread is about being done
huked on fonix didnt wurk 4 u
Anonymous No.716008992 >>716009365
>>716008785
>Pokemon has a lot of copy paste designs from dragonquest and other smaller games i dont remember the names
Okay so name one that has the exact same face. I can do that for Palworld and Pokemon, can you do that with pokemon and anything else?
Anonymous No.716009025
>>716008785
they don't, they really, really don't
the worst thing you could accuse them of is taking fan designs without asking

stop talking out of your ass and stop getting all your dogshit opinions from twitter
Anonymous No.716009050
>>716008972
It's almost as if the change reduced it's scope and you're just claiming it's broad because you're a corporate slut for pocketpair.
Anonymous No.716009093 >>716009316
>>716004780

So basically the system encourages the widest possible definition and then when you get caught, you can say "oopsie doopsie XD" and then just narrow it slightly each time? Instead of how its supposed to work where you do the work to get it specifically right the first time or fuck off and stop wasting everyone's time?

It sounds retarded in any case.
Anonymous No.716009112
>>716000358 (OP)
Nintendo is desperate if they are changing the wording to a patent that they filed AFTER they already brought a court case for a filing they made AFTER the game had launched. They can't get their shit kicked in soon enough. They are a greedy litigious company that needs to be humbled.
Anonymous No.716009158
>>716003281
Digimon and yw didnt steal designs and redesign them and the devs were not full retard on twitter talking about pkmn and ia
Anonymous No.716009176
>716009050
so
now you're just flat out lying
cool
no (you)
Anonymous No.716009212 >>716009384 >>716009464
>>716002396
I cannot read nip.
What is this trying to say?
Anonymous No.716009274 >>716014361
>>716000358 (OP)
>Apparently, having read Palworld's defense on the 50+ accounts of copyright infringement, Nintendo just sent a lawyer to the japanese patent office and had the wording of the patent retroactively changed in order to invalidade
So Nintendo is just a mafia then? Um correction, Nintendo is a Yakuza?
Anonymous No.716009316 >>716009367 >>716009483
>>716009093
No. They system only allows for an extremely specific method or instructions on how something functions and you can only reduce the scope, no add to it.

>It sounds retarded in any case
That's because you lack the level of basic reading comprehension needed to understand this
Anonymous No.716009324
>>716000358 (OP)
Palworld is winning
Anonymous No.716009365 >>716009462
>>716008992
>same face
And what would that be, anime animal face? How many properties have Gamefreak copied with their human characters?
Anonymous No.716009367
>>716009316
>no add to it
SAAR
YES THIS VERY TRUE SAAR
VERY NINTENDO GOOD PATENT YES SAAR
Anonymous No.716009384
>>716009212
It's a shitpost made by a Palworld fan with a chip on his shoulder because pokemon fans won't notice him.
Just ignore it.
Anonymous No.716009403 >>716009604 >>716010585
>>716000842
>>716001583
>>716002064
why do you worship a corporation?
Anonymous No.716009462 >>716010484
>>716009365
So you can't name a single pokemon that shares a design aspect with a monster from another series.
Anonymous No.716009464 >>716009520 >>716014524
>>716009212
>Monster hunter like game?
>That's fine
>Soul-like game?
>That's fine
>ERRRGRGGGHH
>This shitty Palword game- Are you fucking kidding me!
>Die!
>Lawyers from Nintendo! Sue these guys!

The last line could be wrong, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Anonymous No.716009483 >>716009692
>>716009316
>method or instructions
This is what gets me, these patents aren't even methods or instructions, they're just concepts
Anonymous No.716009502
>>716000358 (OP)
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST DO VAGUELY THE SAME THING I DID
"""intellectual""" property law is a joke and anyone participating in lawfare deserves to be executed
Anonymous No.716009520
>>716009464
Sounds about right from context clues.
Anonymous No.716009604 >>716012682
>>716009403
Some fags define themselves by the things they like, because they have no personality or redeeming qualities. This is why they attach themselves to big corporation and get butt hurt when you don't like it. I'd like to say this started with zoomers, but it's something even old fags do, with youtubers they like and video games too.
Anonymous No.716009610 >>716010412
>>716001467
they look nothing alike. and palworld models mog the fuck out of pokémon’s. such a fucking disgrace from nintendo.
Anonymous No.716009656 >>716009834
>>716008860
Nintendo only filled these patents after after Palworld became a massive hit.

They turned every mechanic that Palworld introduced into a noose and hanged them with it.

>>716008920
This would not have passed in any real patent litigation.

>I’ve been following patent litigation for 15 years (for the better part of that period as a consultant) and have seen many claims that were amended, but I’ve never seen “even when” or “even if” in a patent claim. It’s bizarre.

This entire situation is completely unhinged and only would happen in Japan. Nintendo is not pulling punches, Masuda really wants to see those kids serving glory holes to pay his royalties.
Anonymous No.716009692 >>716009948
>>716009483
That would be copyright.
Patents have nothing to do with concept which is why something like "throw the ball by holding R and pressing A when aiming at a pokemon" would be written as
>input 1 activate aim mode
>input 2 moves camera around player
>input 3 launches object
>object can be used on non player character
Anonymous No.716009806 >>716009907 >>716009946
>tendie faggot straight up lying about what we can all see right in front of us
AI cant replace indians quick enough
Anonymous No.716009834 >>716009919
>>716009656
>Nintendo only filled these patents after after Palworld became a massive hit.
Palworld released in 2024.
These patents were filed in 2021.
Are you trying to say that Nintendo saw 3 years into the future?
Anonymous No.716009907
>>716009806
Wouldn't you be out of a job then?
Anonymous No.716009919
>>716009834
they went into the dark future where pocket pair won the lawsuit
Anonymous No.716009946
>>716009806
nigger what do you think ai stands for? actually indians
Anonymous No.716009948 >>716010468
>>716009692
And in the end you either have a concept, or a ridiculously specific button sequence that's trivial to work around and exist purely as some sort of busywork legal fiction.

Given that the conversation is about flying mounts or something, and palword didn't feel like changing the button presses would be enough to avoid the lawsuit, it's basically a concept.
Anonymous No.716009980
>>716000358 (OP)
Anonymous No.716010048 >>716013189
>>716001467
but nintendo games sell buckets loads more than your snoyshit? what's going on there lol
Anonymous No.716010140 >>716010208
>>716000358 (OP)
>huh your patent doesn't say that at all
>give me a moment *rewrites patent* now it does
>what the fuck
Ain't that some shit
Anonymous No.716010208 >>716010280
>>716010140
sir thats not what happened you cant do that thats literally not physically possible sir they just re-worded it to be more specific to the topic at hand and it was reviewed and youre a snoy palshill anyway fuck you?
Anonymous No.716010280
>>716010208
I have no idea what you just said to me
Anonymous No.716010281 >>716011059
>>716000358 (OP)
Nintendo won
Anonymous No.716010412
>>716009610
No it doesn't you fucking gay ass palfag! failworld doesn't mog
Anonymous No.716010468 >>716014571
>>716009948
>And in the end you either have a concept
No, it's still completely devoid of concept. While the patent itself is a very long and detailed document detailing a specific action you have to refer to them as what they are a pokeball, rock, slime ball they're just referred to as object.

>and palword didn't feel like changing the button presses would be enough to avoid the lawsuit, it's basically a concept.
There was never any opportunity to avoid a lawsuit. In fact the only reason they removed it is because Nintendo issued an injunction on those patents forcing them to change it.
And yes that means the whole "they did it for goodwill!" nonsense is false.
Anyway, it's bold of you to assume that a company that can only steal from others and didn't know what patents were in the first place could even create a suitable replacement despite how easy it actually is.
Anonymous No.716010484 >>716010565 >>716010692
>>716009462
Sure I can
Anonymous No.716010508 >>716010629 >>716010673 >>716010780
>>716000358 (OP)
Literally all the palworld devs have to do is just make it less like pokemon and the problem would be solved.
Anonymous No.716010565 >>716010738
>>716010484
Okay, so do it.
I'm waiting.
Anonymous No.716010585
>>716009403
I don't know how the more recent generations have had it, but a lot of 90s kids were raised by TV and video games because their parents didn't give a fuck about them.

I can only imagine that has gotten worse, and more people feel more love for the companies that made the games and shows they watch/played as children than their parents.
Anonymous No.716010629 >>716011009
>>716010508
Do you think they even have the competency for that?
Anonymous No.716010662 >>716010851
>literally nobody knows whats going to happen with the law-suit other then nintendo is more likely to win
>everyone knows nintendo is ran by a bunch of niggers
>NEW UPDATE ON THE SUIT!
>THE NIGGERS ARE STILL ACTING LIKE NIGGERS
Anonymous No.716010673
>>716010508
But thats the entire appeal of the game. Pokemon survival crafting open world game on various platforms.
Anonymous No.716010692
>>716010484
yeah!
that's like... uuuuuuh... oh yeah! that big yellow guy with the girl on top!
oh wait, that's palworld again...
Anonymous No.716010738 >>716011062
>>716010565
Snorlax. Done. Pokemon named. You can go home now
Anonymous No.716010758
>>716003281
Sony wanted to pick up Palworld and make it a media franchise.
Anonymous No.716010765
>more legally ambiguous shit going on to essentially strong arm the opposition
>similar to the ban on "morally reprehensible works of fiction"
>half the thread is filled with people trolling and baiting as if they're against palworld similar to other incidents
yea man I'm good on all this...
Anonymous No.716010780 >>716010990
>>716010508
Temtem is closer to pokemon than palworld ever was. Palworld is ARK with less dinosaurs.
Anonymous No.716010851
>>716010662
literally not what happen please stop your palfag lyfag copefagging they simply reword the pattent to be more clearly
Anonymous No.716010990 >>716011160 >>716014467
>>716010780
Temtem doesn't matter.

Palworld is the first game to get to the

>first they ignore you
>then they mock you
>then they fight you
Palworld is here^
>then you win
Palworld WON'T get here^
Anonymous No.716011009
>>716010629
Clearly they do not.
All it took for Microsoft to defeat Sony and the fucking US government in court was them saying "We will go third party"
Pocketpair can easily do the same, but for some reason they wont and it makes NO SENSE at all.
Anonymous No.716011059 >>716016703
>>716010281
Why did they give her such a shitty english VA?

I have to play BotW/TotK in French or Japanese because she's like over half of all spoken dialog and she's the worst VA they have
Anonymous No.716011062 >>716011261
>>716010738
You weren't asked to name a pokemon, you're were supposed to find one that's a clone or has features lifted entirely from the original.
Anonymous No.716011114
>>716001940
mewtwo shaped women owe me sex
Anonymous No.716011160 >>716014049 >>716014467
>>716010990
The joke is that
>then you win
Never happens
Anonymous No.716011213
>>716001583
I legitimately think there should be no IP law whatsoever and anybody should be allowed to make a direct rip-off if they want, with the only caveat being that implementing such an idea after the invention of AI will result in an immediate avalanche of the lowest quality slop. Fuck nintemdo's patents in particular but also fuck the pokemon copyright and trademark.
Anonymous No.716011253 >>716013996 >>716014419
>>716001940
They aren't going to get any competition becauae their worst is still leagues above the competition. I mean what other monster tamer on the market in the last 10, no, 11 has made a double expansionnaddinfnijnanother 400 ln
Anonymous No.716011261 >>716011393
>>716011062
>name a pokemon that shares a design aspect
Color scheme. Body type. That's two shared design aspects
Anonymous No.716011365 >>716011447 >>716011462 >>716016637
seriously, what are all the nintendofags gonna do with their lives when their console master devolves into a PC publisher like literally everyone else?
Anonymous No.716011393 >>716011692
>>716011261
>Color scheme. Body type
Neither being the same mind you, totoro is more gray while snorlax is a deep blue.
As for body type, well, all really need to say is legs.
Anonymous No.716011447
>>716011365
Celebrate?

I am a Nintenslop eater (maybe not the most since I still don't have a Switch 2) but the day Nintendo gives up on consoles I will cheer.
Anonymous No.716011462
>>716011365
Play their games on pc obviously.
Anonymous No.716011654 >>716011713 >>716012023 >>716016784
>>716001583

>way too big for their britches

Do you hear yourself? Nintendo retroactively changes the rules, and PALWORLD was too big for THEIR britches? Grow up you manchild. How the fuck can you suck so much corporate cock?
Anonymous No.716011692 >>716011746
>>716011393
>b-but the color is 3 shades darker
You put up a weaker defense than anyone saying pal designs are unique
Anonymous No.716011713
>>716011654
did no happen
only clarify
Anonymous No.716011717
>>716006237
Yup.

And the stock market used to be about arranging buyers for future goods production. Like food. Now its a slot machine that normal people are forced to put money in, and the elite use for laundering their gains.
Anonymous No.716011746 >>716011808 >>716011970
>>716011692
As opposed to saying
>the colors are the same
>well they aren't but your argument is just weak!
Anonymous No.716011808
>>716011746
ok hotshot
*re-writes argument to include 'regardless of shade'*
now what palnigger
Anonymous No.716011937
All I can hear is slurping.
Tendies simply can't stop sucking corporate cock.
Anonymous No.716011970
>>716011746
>the same
I said they share a color scheme. Blueish grey and off white. The Totoro one just has more of a green hue while Pokemon has more saturation. If you need the fucking hex codes to match then there's no such thing as plagiarism
Anonymous No.716012023 >>716012298
>>716011654
>Nintendo retroactively changes the rules, and PALWORLD was too big for THEIR britches?
Okay let's tally their sins so to speak
Nintendo
>changed their patent's wording to make it more clear and concise without changing what it is which is completely legal.

Pocketpair
>whole gameography is made up of games with stolen mechanics
>tried to emotionally manipulate people by convincing them they were a small indie company after taking two separate deals from two of the biggest companies in vidya
>paid Indian shills to defend them online 24/7 and lie about the patents being filed after the release of the game
Anonymous No.716012042 >>716012116
I still remember when Palworld launched and started picking up momentum and all these nintendies were @ing nintendo and making up shit about it being ai generated and it's so obvious that they stole creature designs. Really just trying to start shit, because their favorite franchise has been creatively dead since Gen V and they are used to getting fucked over.
Anonymous No.716012081 >>716012179
I don't understand why palniggers can't just be happy their game made it, even if only for a little bit
but no, we gotta try and take out the juggernaut that is pokemon and good luck with that, shit ain't happening

kinda shows that there's no real trust in pocket pair as a developer
no one's talking about their other shit, no one's talking about ok so what if they lose
it's all about this hail mary of trying to turn palworld into the next big thing
Anonymous No.716012116 >>716012450
>>716012042
Palworld fags got too cocky with their hatred of spending money on a game
Anonymous No.716012179 >>716012310 >>716012593
>>716012081
The Palworld patent lawsuit is important precedent dumbass, the game and the dev have nothing to do with it, I don't want Nintendo or any other soulless corporation to have exclusive dibs on general video game concepts and if you like games neither should you
Anonymous No.716012180
Any time I see fags discuss this game there are people claiming palworld "stole" from nintendo... but there are literally hundreds of blatent pokemon clones. Hell Im pretty sure there are a dozen blatent pokemon ripoffs on steam right now. If anything palworld seems more like a digimon ripoff with the whole "cute monsters with guns" shtick they seem to have going on
Anonymous No.716012216
>The Gen 1 rip off killed pokemon
Ironic
Anonymous No.716012298 >>716016898
>>716012023
Let's look at what actually happened
>palworld didn't infringe on the patent
>Nintendo changes the wording to make it "clear and concise"
>palworld now infringes on it
How do you manage that without broadening the scope of the patent?
Anonymous No.716012301
Only monster taming game worry a damn is Pokescape
Anonymous No.716012310 >>716012404 >>716012469 >>716014660
>>716012179
It wouldn't have happened if those faggots weren't blatantly ripping pokemon.
As many people have said before, there are plenty of existing creature collecting games that are untouched because they make no attempt to rip off pokemon.
Anonymous No.716012404 >>716012427 >>716012630 >>716012672
>>716012310
Who gives a shit about that? If anything it makes things even worse
>big soulless corpo abusing patent law to sue other devs they feel slighted them in another area
Anonymous No.716012427 >>716012481 >>716014737
>>716012404
because they deserve it retard
Anonymous No.716012450 >>716012767
>>716012116
What does that even mean? You like being a paypiggy for a shitty company that enjoys halfassing every game for the last 10 years? Meanwhile Game Freak has been developing a game for Xbox in secret, that mogs the hell out of their shit tier monster collector game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-qZiMPsNz0 That's got to sting.
Anonymous No.716012469
>>716012310
>It wouldn't have happened if those faggots weren't blatantly ripping pokemon.
like the hundreds of even more blatent pokemon ripoffs? The ripoffs that arent being sued into the ground?
Anonymous No.716012481 >>716012619 >>716012693
>>716012427
Complete and total absolute retard
Anonymous No.716012514
>>716003464
>>716003583
What exactly was Digimon "competing" with against Pokemon? Digimon started as a tamagotchi rip off, and never had a defining gameplay format for any console or handheld release. The designs and look of the monsters were totally different from Pokemon, too.
Anonymous No.716012593 >>716012619 >>716012754
>>716012179
this shit isn't gonna set any sort of precedent, no one's gonna give a fuck a couple years down the line
at most you're gonna have some guy studying it on the grounds of better understanding brand management and inter-corporate lawfare
Anonymous No.716012619 >>716012681
>>716012593
see >>716012481
Anonymous No.716012630 >>716012693 >>716012724
>>716012404
If there's a big corpo out there abusing patent laws with litigation then why would a studio rip their ip off so badly when they know what will happen?
Anonymous No.716012672 >>716012693 >>716014808
>>716012404
It doesn't make things worse, retard.
It shows that there is a method to avoiding the issue altogether.
You speak like the kind of brainless fuck who will ignore all signs, safety barriers, and locks to a box that will kill you the moment you open it.
If you ignore the warnings then you deserve the consequences.
Anonymous No.716012681
>>716012619
I'm not sure why you feel the need to announce your disabilities towards me
Anonymous No.716012682
>>716009604
How fucking dare you judge me? I am an INDEPENDENT THINKING PERSON.
Anonymous No.716012693
>>716012630
>>716012672
see >>716012481
Anonymous No.716012724
>>716012630
A heroic enough corporation would be doing it to break patent law. A stupid enough company would be doing it out of naivete.
Anonymous No.716012754 >>716013317
>>716012593
>this shit isn't gonna set any sort of precedent
are you retarded? The future is IP laws. If this shit makes the cut then every corp is going to begin citing it whenever an up and coming company starts outcompeting them
>ubishit sees some company make an open world game thats like farcry
>sues them citing this case
>changes the patent to "clarify" that they totally infringed it
>competitor gets crushed by the law and ubishit keeps making bad games
Anonymous No.716012767 >>716013036
>>716012450
>Paypiggy
Why are you conceding?
Anonymous No.716012824 >>716012892 >>716012942 >>716013704 >>716014004
Every time I see people genuinely mad at Palworld kind of blows my mind. Not just "heh, yeah, kind of a Pokemon ripoff." But genuinely offended on Pokemon's behind. And no, not all of it is shitposting. You can really tell when an anon gets worked into a shoot over this dumb shit.
Anonymous No.716012829 >>716015706
NINTENDO HAS A RIGHT, NO, A RESPONSIBILITY TO DEFEND ITS PATENTS
>whistles and looks away as blizzard walks by
Anonymous No.716012873
>>716000358 (OP)
Game mechanic patents should not exist, period. If you want to go after a company for stealing, you should have to go after them for actual infringed designs, not
>"DEY LET YOU RIDE DA ANIMULS!! DATS OURS!!"
Anonymous No.716012892
>>716012824
I must defend (BRAND) and (CORPORATION)
Anonymous No.716012893
All I see is a bunch of poorfags seething because they can't afford games
Anonymous No.716012901
Nintendo is the good guy here so they deserve to win, it's just that simple.
Anonymous No.716012942 >>716013102 >>716013121
>>716012824
pokemonfags are highly autistic and have abused spouse syndrome. Imagine having nostalgia for a series, it shits the bed for a decade, and then some indie game does the same gimmick but better, I doubt most anons would be able to cope with that.
Anonymous No.716012997
>>716000358 (OP)
Nintendo needs to be humbled. They are literally the greediest video game company in the world.
Anonymous No.716013021
Nintendo's being petty assholes like normal, but PocketPair was asking for it with how ballsy they got with their near plagiarism. At least mods can fix anything removed, so nothing lost.
Anonymous No.716013036 >>716013157
>>716012767
What am I conceding? Palworld had the right price point and they filled a niche that Nintendo hadn't bothered to touch, because they had gotten so fat and lazy with producing slop that retards gobbled up, because there weren't any alternatives. The only reason they even brought a lawsuit is because Pocket Pair stole their lunch and exposed Pokemon for being asleep at the wheel. The Beast Within made them look even worse, because they had always been capable of making a decent looking game, but they just dial it in every time for pokemon and make shitty games on purpose.
Anonymous No.716013102
>>716012942
They hate Gen 1 yet they constantly shill Gen 5 which was made specifically for genwunners.
Anonymous No.716013121 >>716013686
>>716012942
so which one is it now?
palworld is nothing like pokemon, they have no rights to sue!
or
palworld is exactly what pokemon should be, it's the better pokemon!
Anonymous No.716013124 >>716013282
>>716005949
Palworld's release and peak came long before the PlayStation port, let alone the media deal. They didn't need Sony.
Anonymous No.716013157
>>716013036
Pokemon is asleep at the wheel because they keep pushing DEI slop designs
Anonymous No.716013174 >>716013414 >>716015643
>>716000358 (OP)
>Palworld devs cry while they steal from you.
You tendies are so weird. Why did you bring to our attention that nintendo are scumbags? You wanted us to side with your god?
Anonymous No.716013189 >>716013363 >>716017701
>>716010048
>million of flies cannor be wrong
>but sony!
Obsessed
And lets not pretend that modern nintendo games aren't mediocre shovelware slop
Anonymous No.716013282
>>716013124
They don't need Sony but Sony needs them. Sony has no fucking IP whatsoever due to their racism against Asians and Asian culture, trying to make F2P micro transaction trash, and movie ""games"" featuring the most ugly characters ever.
The only thing they released that even deserves to be called a video game was a fucking rip off of Mario Sunshine and Galaxy.
Anonymous No.716013293
>>716003281
digimon is owned by bandai and palworld is owned by a small indie studio
put two and two together
Anonymous No.716013317
>>716012754
Japanese law is civil law, not common law. Precedent doesn't hold that much power. I don't think a French company could use Japanese court decisions as precedent either way
Anonymous No.716013339
>>716000358 (OP)
How the fuck is that how patents work in Japan? That shouldn't be allowed. I'm 90% sure it's not how Western law works at all, the entire idea of a retroactive patent is retarded, let alone changing it on the fly to suit your needs. What stops someone from retroactively patenting the name Nintendo?
Anonymous No.716013363
>>716013189
The real shivelware his the western AAA trash that gets bargain bin ed a week after release. Buying a western AAA game us like buying a car, overly expensive and loses the entirety of its value the second it is purchased.
Anonymous No.716013412 >>716022130
>>716000897
because it's run by Yakuza
Anonymous No.716013414
>>716013174
they're your god too, you just don't know it yet
and when you finally realize it will be too late, as thou shall stand before thy mario maker in front of the pearly gates
and with a 'mamma mia' he shall cast you into the never ending fire of lethal lava land
game over
Anonymous No.716013658
>>716000358 (OP)
It's legal when Nintendo does it.
Anonymous No.716013686
>>716013121
Why not both?
Anonymous No.716013704 >>716013798 >>716014472
>>716012824
the one thing i don't understand what has palworld done to them to get them this angry at them they treat it like its "The day before" scam even though the game isn't a scam it's like 30$ and sometimes 25 on sales and play it off "ITS GOING TO DAMAGE THE GAME INDRUSTRY" as if it already doing that already to itself and regardless of palworld's existence copycat games will always exist so it makes no sense to use that excuse
Anonymous No.716013798
>>716013704
miyamoto is legitimately a faggot retard who gets butthurt over autistic shit at random
hes also probably half senile at this point if you've seen any of his "public" appearances recently
doesnt help that their pokemon game for switch was an absolute bug riddled outsourced shitshow
Anonymous No.716013841 >>716013952
>>716008807
I said LESS broad you illiterate moron.
In this case, reducing the scope.
Anonymous No.716013873
>>716002281
It really is something. Even the most kiked US court would find this deranged.
Anonymous No.716013940
Fucking based honestly. If there is something we don't tolerate here are thieves.
Anonymous No.716013952 >>716014124
>>716013841
>cant read
>call someone else illiterate
nintendo edited the patent to widen what it entailed you dumb actually illiterate nigger
>I WAS TALKING ABOUT OTHER TH
i dont care
i wasn't
you retarded nigger faggot
nintendo edited the patent to include vague fucking bullshit wording to cover their ass in their autistic lawsuit
Anonymous No.716013996
>>716011253
Uh oh, bot broke
Anonymous No.716014004
>>716012824
I just love Sony, I can't help it but support them.
Anonymous No.716014049 >>716014467
>>716011160
Oh I get it, the joke is that they'll never get to the winning part!
Anonymous No.716014057 >>716014143 >>716014636
>>716000358 (OP)
I like how this board conveniently ignores the palworld devteam being chinese nationals living in japan. Palworlds head developer isn't even japanese. And you are rooting for chinks over japs? Why?
Anonymous No.716014063 >>716014287
Uh oh, Palkeks are having a melty again. HAHAHHAHAHAWA
Anonymous No.716014124 >>716014230
>>716013952
>Loads of irrelevent bullshit
>Goes completely pants on head retarded because they can't read
>Doesn't understand that they can't make it more broad
>Doesn't understand how the whole conversation started
Typical reaction from a cockgargling subhuman that does nothing but sniff his own farts on a daily basis.
Maybe learn japanese law before deciding you think you know what's happening you retarded faggot.
Anonymous No.716014143
>>716014057
because I'm not racist, and nips and chinks are equally abhorrent so obviously deserve each other's misery.
Anonymous No.716014146
lol imagine the number of surprise butsex Nintendo will get after wining in court and Ubisoft show up with patent made in 1990 (actualy in 2025 but someone rewrited the date, get fucked)
Anonymous No.716014224
>>716000358 (OP)
>Palworld devs are struggling, now crying and accusing Nintendo of moving goal posts to ensure victory in the courtroom. Palworld devs cry while they steal from you.
You're a faggot.
Anonymous No.716014230
>>716014124
>They cant do that
>Ignore the proof of them doing just that in this very thread
>You are retarded
>MAYBE LEARN JAPANESE LAW
Maybe the patent office should before letting nintendo break it
Anonymous No.716014234
>smooth switching of riding objects
What the fuck does this mean? How is this different from any game where you mount animals.
Anonymous No.716014287 >>716014442
>>716014063
honestly both are having a melty over a fucking game its literally embarrassing they genuinely care about this like enjoy the games you like and go back to /vp/ or the palworld threads you enjoy
>XPVPX
Anonymous No.716014338 >>716014432
>>716000358 (OP)
>had the wording of the patent retroactively changed in order to invalidade
Is this even legal in Japan? And they are in the middle of lawsuit too.
Anonymous No.716014352 >>716014417 >>716020554
Jesus christ the tendie manchildren gleefully cheering on yet another deathblow to the vidya industry make me sick. You subhuman shitstains are almost as big a blight upon gaming as Nvidia.

Glad i'll never pay a cent towards another console.
Anonymous No.716014361
>>716009274
Not looked into Nintendos history? They literally are Yakuza.
Anonymous No.716014417 >>716014521 >>716016337
>>716014352
whatever shall the world do without palworld
how will we learn to go on
Anonymous No.716014419
>>716011253
Don't have a cow, man.
Anonymous No.716014420
>>716000358 (OP)
How the fuck does someone come to the conclusion this would be good for Nintendo's case
Anonymous No.716014432
>>716014338
No its very illegal which is why they didn't do it.
You idiot.
Anonymous No.716014442 >>716014491 >>716015236
>>716014287
>Both
Nah, it's just palshits. Nintendo has never lost a lawsuit they have initiated themselves.
They will be forced to EOS the game forever and after all the chinese clones that are coming out next year, people will soon forget all about it.
Anonymous No.716014467
>>716010990
>>716011160
>>716014049

And that's where you're wrong. Shitendo's crashout has only led to people hating them, something that had never happened before. Even if they win this lawsuit, it will only accelerate shitendo's decadence into irrelevance. The bridges will remain burned forevermore.
Anonymous No.716014472 >>716014614 >>716014940
>>716013704
To be honest, palworld is damaging to the industry, but not on the level of the worst offenders.
We have games that have hundreds of millions in budget, low returns, enormous file sizes and they take many years to develop. It's the opposite of 20 years ago when games were regarded as yearly release slop.
Now we are waiting 5 years just to get fucked. Like Metroid fags got fucked hard most recently when they waited 19 years for a game that was WORSE THAN A GBA GAME AND INDIE METROIDVANIAS THAT ARE WAY CHEAPER
Anonymous No.716014491 >>716015892
>>716014442
>nintendo has never lost a rigged game
huh
funny how that works
Anonymous No.716014503 >>716014623 >>716015520
>>716002672
>Unoriginal faggots shouldnt be rewarded for producing slop.
I agree, which is why Game Freak should be obliterated and the Pokemon copyright redistributed to monolithsoft since they'd make a 800% better game
Anonymous No.716014519
>>716000358 (OP)
Who the fuck types like this? Actual ESL.
Anonymous No.716014521 >>716014682
>>716014417
same could be said about pokemon
Anonymous No.716014524
>>716009464
You're pretty much right.
He says 任天堂法務部こいつらを潰せ!
So, 'Nintendo, get the legal team to bury these guys!' or something along those lines.
Anonymous No.716014571
>>716010468
>piracy is stealing
Good goy.
Anonymous No.716014614 >>716015239
>>716014472
Dread was a good game, what the fuck are you talking about
Anonymous No.716014623
>>716014503
the new pokemons are like that fuckin family guy skit with coked out Stephen King
nigga grabs a lamp off the desk and says OoOoOO SATAN POSESSED SPOOKY LAMP ooOOoOOoO for a new book idea
thats pokemon now
nigga sitting in a park bench
aight put some eyes on the tireswing
aight now the water fountain
give the shoe that kid stepped out of some wings
we're done here ship it
Anonymous No.716014636 >>716014709
>>716014057
I want to see Nintendo bleed, and one day die like Atari and THQ did and Warner Bros. is doing rn.
Anonymous No.716014642 >>716014739 >>716014860 >>716014931
Considering how many lives Nintendo has ruined. I'm surprised there's not to a point where a person has literally nothing to lose anymore and make it their life mission to blow up Nintendo's HQ or something.
Anonymous No.716014660
>>716012310
>bootlicking this hard
Beyond pathetic.
Anonymous No.716014671
>>716001467
Tengu(jew) money.
Anonymous No.716014682 >>716015043
>>716014521
they're not the one's crying about how the world... is le gonna change forever!
although it would be kinda odd for the worlds most profitable brand to just up and disappear over night
Anonymous No.716014709
>>716014636
Sure but let's watch palworld do that first. LMAO
Anonymous No.716014737
>>716012427
No they don't, cocksucking faggot
Anonymous No.716014739 >>716014860 >>716014971
>>716014642
Schizo only go for weak and easy target like school shooting or Kyoani studio burning
Anonymous No.716014761
Fuck Nintendo
Anonymous No.716014808
>>716012672
In that case you deserve to burn in christian hell.
Anonymous No.716014860 >>716014971 >>716015061
>>716014642
>>716014739
We need another Luigi(kek) that has the balls to go after the Nintendo execs.
Anonymous No.716014931
>>716014642
Bowser's doing it. He used to work for EA, which was spurned by shitendo when they tried to force Origin in their stuff.
Anonymous No.716014940
>>716014472
>damaging to the industry, but not on the level
so its not even a problem there is a legit clone of fallguys but none one even gave a fuck but suddenly a game like palworld exist its suddenly bad and i dont want to hear "They are all bad" because if that was true you would've told the devs of falls guys to sue them but guess what they never cared i don't understand how a game palworld could get nintendo fans/pokemon fans that mad over game that hasn't really caused damage
Anonymous No.716014961
>haha wouldnt it be rad haha if like haha someone killed miyamobo haha
>SEIG POCKET PAIR
>SEIG CHIELLET
>HEIL PALWORLD
very organic
Anonymous No.716014971
>>716014860
Luigi targeted the 3% CEO, funny how it work
see >>716014739
Anonymous No.716015043
>>716014682
if pokemon ever announced they would stop making games i bet niggers like you would treat it like it's the end of the world so no there's no in-between considering they treat that shit like a cult
Anonymous No.716015061 >>716015242
>>716014860
because a toy company making decisions you personally don't approve of is on the same level as benefiting from the literal, physical pain of others
Anonymous No.716015065 >>716015151
>>716001467
The mons in the image you posted are all legally distinct. You can't copyright 'the idea of a cute-looking sheep', you fucking idiot.
Anonymous No.716015151 >>716015220 >>716015267 >>716016967
>>716015065
This isn't even a copyright lawsuit. It's a patent lawsuit. If Nintendo had a case for copyright infringement, they would have gone for that over patent infringement.
Anonymous No.716015220
>>716015151
If they had a case for patent infringement they wouldn't need to edit/broaden the fucking patent.
But here we are.
Anonymous No.716015228
>>716000358 (OP)
Japanese legal system isn't the fairest to begin with.
Nintendo is older and more "respected" company and this alone is already bad for Palword guys.
Anonymous No.716015236 >>716015892
>>716014442
>Nintendo has never lost a lawsuit they have initiated themselves
Makes sense. They used to be a gambling company so they've got a lot of experience rigging outcomes
Anonymous No.716015239
>>716014614
It's good because..
Uh why is it good again?
Anonymous No.716015242 >>716015406
>>716015061
It's still more suffering in the world. I'd say it's well deserved.
Anonymous No.716015267
>>716015151
which would've been a better option considering it would solve both problems and actually made it so they can see eye to eye without trying to do deathbattle against each other
Anonymous No.716015406
>>716015242
and by 'suffering' you mean you don't like it
Anonymous No.716015520 >>716015569
>>716014503
>Pokemon copyright redistributed to monolithsoft

Why would you want them to suffer, man
Anonymous No.716015546
>>716006237
we live in the clownworld timeline
Anonymous No.716015569
>>716015520
The pokemon audience won't be able to handle the sight of an attractive woman.
Anonymous No.716015643 >>716015706 >>716015787
>>716013174
Nintendo has the right to defend its ideas.

They are the victims here. But SNOYs would rather side with the devil than admit it.
Anonymous No.716015706
>>716015643
>>716012829
Anonymous No.716015761
>>716000358 (OP)
>"stealing" game mechanic ideas
shouldnt be a thing. you shouldnt be able to patent objectives for code. Nintendo is a super villain under a volcano tier evil for this.
Anonymous No.716015787 >>716015876
>>716015643
The idea of ownership makes Nintendo haters seethe
Anonymous No.716015858
>>716000358 (OP)
I hate Nintendo but the Palworld devs are grifters so in conclusion I hope they all destroy each other.
Anonymous No.716015876
>>716015787
>The idea of ownership makes Nintendo haters seethe
ownership and its basic about how you glide okay
Anonymous No.716015892
>>716014491
>>716015236
Good boys, you learn fast. Now what did we learn?

NEVER steal from Nintendo.
NEVER threaten Nintendo.
NEVER upset Nintendo.

Follow these simple rules and everything will be ok.
Anonymous No.716015894 >>716016641
>palworld shits on switch pokeslop
>gets sued
>temtem is almost a 1:1 ripoff
>noone cares
yeh nah
someones butthurt as fuck
Anonymous No.716015919 >>716016214
I suppose the period of decent palworld threads has run its course for the time being.
Anonymous No.716016002
So, any actual Japanese patent lawyers here? Or someone knowledgeable enough in foreign patent law to know what's going to happen at the end? Or are these threads just an excuse for two fanbases to fling monkey shit at each other for 4+ years?
Anonymous No.716016079 >>716016313
Rate my patent
>An adventure game where you go on a journey as a hero
Anonymous No.716016214
>>716015919
cause it makes no sense that these people treat this game like a boogie man instead of ignoring it the lawsuit hasn't even started, and they are still going with this these threads are like a ww1 or ww2 propaganda posters unironically where you must hate one side it's just both sides fighting for no general reason
Anonymous No.716016301
protecting copyright is important if you ever want to make money off of your own games

nintendo is overly forceful with it, but palworld was insane to be as lazy as they were. did they really need to directly copy the monster designs? they could have had a hit game without anything from nintendo. why give them the ammo?
Anonymous No.716016313
>>716016079
too broad
add "with a sword"
(you can remove it later)
Anonymous No.716016337
>>716014417
This shit doesn't stop with palworld.
How does Nintendo own an aesthetic?
Parody is fair use as long as it is not specifically the actual pokemon themselves.
This is as gay as Take 2 patenting game mechanics.
This industry is COOKED.
Anonymous No.716016407 >>716016493 >>716016529
>nintendos bad for doing this kinda maybe but but but PALWORLD IS LITERAL SHITLER FUCKING SLOP GARBO LAZY FAGGOTS SHOULD HANG AND DIE AND BLEED COULDNT THEY HAVE DONE SOMETHING ELSE ANYTHING ELSE WHY RIP OFF POKEMON 1:1 FUCKING SHITTERS
very authentic
noone itt can even say what palworld stole except
>these creatures have vague similarities which isnt even a patent issue
Anonymous No.716016493 >>716017154
>>716016407
the issue is that you have shit for brains
Anonymous No.716016521 >>716016707
>>716000897
>>716000842
>>716000567
Seething, Eric.
Anonymous No.716016529
>>716016407
I mean there's Verdash, but nobody defends Verdash because it's ugly
Anonymous No.716016545
>>716001695
I'll play gacha and support it as long it's a spit on face of Jewtendo
Anonymous No.716016568 >>716016769
>>716001786
>Palworld should move to US
Who cares. It's a dead game already.
Anonymous No.716016584 >>716016898
>>716001583
Jesus fuck the dick riding.
My dude just got PROMOTED
Anonymous No.716016637
>>716011365
>it's ok when manchilds acts exactly like that over Palworld
Hypocrite.
Marielx !Vidya4T.Xo No.716016641 >>716017230
>>716015894
Nintendo doesnt care if you make a 1:1 copy of their crap, what hurts them is if you dare go into the plushie/toy market, the moment palworld started showing plushies nintento went into panic mode.
99% of the pals are cuter and better designed than pokemon, if the dolls get popular, nintendo is done for.
Anonymous No.716016649
>altered a patent after it was filed during a court case about said patent
Jesus that's asinine. How the fuck do nips look at something like this and have any respect for their judicial system. Wild.
Anonymous No.716016675 >>716016792
>>716000358 (OP)
>Palworld devs cry while they steal from you.
You sound japanese, the biggest Nintendo cocksucker in the world.
Anonymous No.716016703
>>716011059
>playing japanese games with ameriqiqe censorship voices
Your fault, stupid retard. Kill yourself.
Anonymous No.716016707
>>716016521
Brown-coded post.
Anonymous No.716016731
>>716002950
>It is ok when my overlords do it!
Anonymous No.716016769 >>716016974
>>716016568
>single player game
>dead
Zoom zoom
Anonymous No.716016784 >>716016873
>>716011654
>PALWORLD was too big for THEIR britches
Yes. They said 3 years ago they were going to "kill Pokémon".
Pokémon is still the biggest grossing media franchise in human history with a 101.7 billion value.
Anonymous No.716016792 >>716016908
>>716016675
japanese are sheltered retards
not even joking
every time i hear cicadas outside in the summer im reminded of that one retard who flipped his shit on TV in the 90s because he swore up and down those only existed/were heard in japans countryside
Anonymous No.716016814 >>716017019 >>716017019
>>716000358 (OP)
based nintendo yakuza btfoing the SNOYGGER kikes
Anonymous No.716016873 >>716016974
>>716016784
the ceo never said anything like this why are lying through your teeth
Anonymous No.716016892
>>716001467
Only Dinossom and Verdash are offensive here.
Anonymous No.716016898 >>716017019 >>716017789 >>716017923
>>716012298
>palworld didn't infringe on the patent
They literally did.
>nintendo clarifies
Not a "sin".
>>716016584
Yeah, your dickriding on chinese cachaslop, SnOY.
Anonymous No.716016908
>>716016792
>japanese are sheltered retards
I know what you mean. I live in Japan and I'll be forever grateful to them for bestowing upon me the unique privilege of four seasons, aluminium foil and squatting. Didn't know about any of those things before moving into this realm.
Anonymous No.716016967 >>716017042 >>716017195
>>716015151
Yeah. Which is bullshit because it's just shown that Nintendo can not only file a patent after another company has already used that idea years prior but also edit other patents show their opposition gets caught infringing on them retroactively.
The shit is scummy.
Anonymous No.716016974 >>716017054 >>716017267
>>716016769
Palworld is multiplayer, stupid zoomer.
>>716016873
>the CEO
the shills did
Anonymous No.716017019
>>716016814
>>716016898
>>716016814
consolewar fags are in full force today it must be a slow day
Anonymous No.716017029 >>716019845 >>716020554
>>716002064
>It is hilarious to read about how the Palworld devs are going public and saying they are literally depressed and having anxiety crisis because of Nintendo
Really, I don't see the hilarity in it. A bunch of kids, with no one on the team being above 30, being the target of a wealthy alpha corporation with god mode enabled on themselves mode in a history-defining legal battle that will decide the future of all their work and careers posting about their anxiety and panic attacks as a result of it all actually sounds par the course and a normal human reaction.
Anonymous No.716017032
>>716000358 (OP)
Sad news palworld acked
Anonymous No.716017042 >>716017250
>>716016967
Patent was from 2012, dumbass.
Anonymous No.716017054
>>716016974
Why am I playing it offline then?
Anonymous No.716017059
>>716000358 (OP)
We need to start killing you people
Anonymous No.716017109
>>716006839
It wouldn't because they can't pull this retroactive patent bullshit in the US.
Anonymous No.716017154 >>716017303
>>716016493
Prove him wrong, you illiterate nigger
Anonymous No.716017195 >>716017363
>>716016967
nintendchadgigaGODS can do whatever they want
the only thing snoygger subhumans are allowed to ever do is DIE
Anonymous No.716017230
>>716016641
Ding ding ding. This is what matters in the end because merch pulls in a fuck ton of more money than a game ever will. Just look at those adults snatching up pokemon cards like a fat ass going after jelly donuts.
Anonymous No.716017250
>>716017042
But updated to make it so PocketPair retroactively infringed on it only like a year ago. And no I'm not talking about the current patent the thread is talking about. Nintendo has a history of pulling this bullshit.
Anonymous No.716017267
>>716016974
>the shills did
so just the fans why tf do you care what they say they don't speak for the creator you're
just a faggot who gets butt hurt by people's opinion if some rando said that tekken is killing street fighter would you believe them no because that just their opinion you idiot it doesn't even constitute as a fact because the game themselves will be the constituting factor that kills them
Anonymous No.716017303 >>716017632
>>716017154
nah, I'm good
you wanna stay, I'll let you
Anonymous No.716017320
>Wait this says they didn't violate it? Ok well fuck you, we'll just go back and change the rule. What now shit ass?
Japanese courts are somehow more laughable than the Americans. What a wild world.
Anonymous No.716017363 >>716017458
>>716017195
I don't understand why you are bringing Sony into this. They own at most the rights to make merch on Palworld. They don't own or have any influence on Palworld or Pocket Pair in the slightest. They just make money on the toys and clothing and shit.
Anonymous No.716017398 >>716017470
japanese courts are based and commiefornia kikes are seething about it
Anonymous No.716017449
>>716000358 (OP)
>Nintendo just sent a lawyer to the japanese patent office and had the wording of the patent retroactively changed in order to invalidade
Japan is not a real nation.
Anonymous No.716017458 >>716017547
>>716017363
wrong, snoygger
TOTAL SNOY OBLITERATION
Anonymous No.716017470
>>716017398
Japanese courts are guilty until proven innocent and apparently allow companies with more money to just pay their way into winning any lawsuit.
Anonymous No.716017502
Nintendo is the only ethical company in the world. Everybody else should kneel before them. TOTAL NINTENDO DOMINATION!
Anonymous No.716017547 >>716017597
>>716017458
Just saying wrong doesn't make you correct. Sony just owns merch rights. Nothing else. Hate on Sony all you want. They ain't footing no bill or influencing no court on this.
Anonymous No.716017597 >>716018285
>>716017547
yes they absolutely 100% are, cope all you want snoyboy
Anonymous No.716017632
>>716017303
Thanks, I'll slide right in while you're lubed
Anonymous No.716017701
>>716013189
>they are not truly operating in the market
>>but what about all the moved copies and hardware (that is not wiiu)?
>fuck off
nintendo being a shady megacorp actually i think it's one of the jap devs that isn't tied with yakuza *too much*, certainly unlike sega and kadokawa that doesn't even try to make its front look successful, and nintendo being a publisher making its bank on unenlightened masses are mutually exclusive statements
not to mention "despite awful marketing" is a retarded point anyway, nintendo has the best marketing there is: devoted fanboys willing to shill-it-for-free
Anonymous No.716017716 >>716017893
>>716000358 (OP)
What's with the increase in thread titles like this? Reminds me of those "x situation is y" or "it's over for x" commentary slop videos.
Anonymous No.716017770
>>716000358 (OP)
>sue someone for something
>"actually we never had that something, we did it in a different way"
>go to the patent office and change the wording of the patent afterward just to cover that
I can't believe Phoenix Wright actually predicted everything.
Anonymous No.716017789
>>716016898
Changing it is proof of no infringement
Anonymous No.716017807
I am altering the patent mid court case, pray I dont alter it further
Anonymous No.716017893
>>716017716
Engagement bait. I've seen threads about this subject multiple times in the past week. Usually when there's a proper palworld thread up in /v/
Anonymous No.716017923
>>716016898
Anon the patent is the foundation of their entire case. You can't sue someone for something specific then part way into the case say "ok we're actually suing you for this now"
Anonymous No.716017968
>>716000358 (OP)
What kind of Jewish shit is that? How is that even legal?
Anonymous No.716017986 >>716018221
Nintendo is more than a gaming company. It's a movement. Yep, that's right: the popular thing is to side with Palworld, but we're a movement, so we now hate Palworld.

By the way, TOTK was the worst game of the past decade and the Switch 2 literally plays everything at 480p. Yep, uh huh. But Palworld sucks.
Anonymous No.716018035
Nintendofags are against releasing the Epstein files
Anonymous No.716018074
Jewtendo has convinced me that the lost tribes of Israel did in fact settle in Japan like it says in that one Shitaro Kago manga.
Anonymous No.716018221
>>716017986
Enough about how shit BOTW is
Anonymous No.716018285
>>716017597
Your whole stance is the same as the Houthi's attacking and stealing that ship awhile back.
Claimed it was owned and ran by some Israelis and used to fuck up trade routes or some shit. When in reality it was manned by some Filipinos, owned by some Europeans, Doing jobs for some Americans and the only thing remotely related to Israel was one Israeli guy who was on a board of directors for some non-israeli company somewhere that had the boat ship something years prior to a country nowhere near the middle east.
Anonymous No.716019165 >>716019935
>>716001467
I thought Star Wars was too big to fail once, changed right after Disney made 2,3,4 movies.
Anonymous No.716019348
>>716001940
Would it even matter if it were retroactively changed since the case was filed prior to the suit? Their initial arguments were already laid out.
My guess is, similar to Pocket Pair alteriga few things to look legally compliant, Nintendo probably wants to give the impression of good faith by "fixing" an issue they think a rewrite will solve. But that said all these changes shouldn't apply for when the charges were made, that would be wild if so.
Anonymous No.716019791 >>716019924
>>716000358 (OP)
>Palworld devs cry while they steal from you.
I don't remember Palworld devs stealing from me? I gave them money and got like 100 hours of fun out of their game. 100 more hours of fun than I've had with any pokemon games for the last decade. faggot.
Anonymous No.716019845
>>716017029
You fuck around, you find out. It is a harsh world out there. This is why you need to sell your studio to the big dogs with lawyers that will keep the biggest dog in the yard away.

Nintengods stay winning.
Anonymous No.716019924
>>716019791
*decades. Pokemon peaked in gen 2, and has largely failed to innovate at all ever since, its been over TWO DECADES since pokemon made an effort, its a rotting corpse being fucked by manchildren for literal decades, nothing new, just rehashed rehashes.

Im amazed anyone has bought a single pokeslop game in a decade.
Anonymous No.716019935
>>716019165
people (women) have a level of emotional attachment to their fictional pets you couldn't imagine
they'll buy gengar plushies until their last breath
Anonymous No.716020269
>>716004248
That's the Chinese. Japs are the autist bugmen.
Anonymous No.716020554 >>716021680
>>716017029
You are pitying these thieves? Then you are part of the problem. You are the reason why they need to be put down. Nintendo has to limit the monster-catching genre and stand its ground, show people that they can't go around trying to become Pokémon while stealing every single idea from Nintendo.

>>716014352
>tendie manchildren
SNOYs are out of creativity today, it seems. Go play Last of Us 2 Remaster, I'm too busy on Bananza to handle this.
Anonymous No.716020723 >>716024418
>>716000358 (OP)
From everything I've read, its more that Palworld is winning the case and Nintendo didn't expect them to have such a strong defense. Nintendo is having to clarify the patent because its too vague and could be invalidated. Legal Mindset's video is good on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=risdItqdh1Y&ab_channel=LegalMindset

This isn't surprising if you know Nintendo's history. They tried the same shit with Tear Ring Saga and it might be why they tried patent shit rather than copyright again
Anonymous No.716020921 >>716021328
>>716000358 (OP)
i think everything nintendo related should die, including customers of all ages
Anonymous No.716021328 >>716023184
>>716020921
And that desire of yours is all it is. Nintendo will outlive the industry itself.
Anonymous No.716021680
>>716020554
engagement bait the /thread
Anonymous No.716022130
>>716013412
Not even, Yakuza is nearly dead and has no power. Freemasons run Japan, unironically.
Anonymous No.716022575
>>716000520
If you grew up in Japan(like those Palword devs) and never heard the phrase: "DON'T EVER fuck with Nintendo or Disney" you're just a fucking idiot.
Anonymous No.716023184
>>716021328
Nice delusion, tendie. Now wake up, cuz Nintendo is already irrelevant.
Anonymous No.716024418 >>716024965
>>716020723
>legal mindset
Ignoring the fact that nintendo did the same thing to Colopl lawsuit and won. You can disregard this guy.
Anonymous No.716024965
>>716024418
which means they have a loophole they're exploiting they are taking advantage of Japanese law systems by using revisions if this was america it would be limited but they are solely relying on this method just to snag pocketpair