How badass would his boss fight have been?

Slow thread today

>>716007790 (OP)
Who?

>>>/vg/

Yellow was a fluke and I feel bad for caring about it more than its own developers did.

I think it's over, bros. See you all in 2026 where we may enrage the jannies once more.

>>716007790 (OP)
Honestly, I think it would've been better if he had simply replaced Ceroba's boss fight in genocide, I don't think giving him some flashy super form really makes sense for his character.

>>716008840
there are no identifiers in the title

>>716010172
devs really wanted martlet and roba fights first and starlo just got the short end of the stick
also we didn't get the vengeful virgil fight

>>716010172
it doesn't but I do kind of like the art.

>>716007790 (OP)
Would've been better than just Ceroba again. I don't mind her fight but having it replace one that could've easily been a proper North Star fight is a shame.
Would've been cool to see him slip fully into his cowboy persona as a coping measure to ensure the evacuation is completed.

>>716011461
you know what actually that could be a good foil to the undying fight. Starlo would likely have a line as he dies just like undyne about giving the others time and all that. I forgot if he says anything in the route we have but I could see a starlo the unyielding or something. someone more clever could come up with a good name

>>716011254
Well if you really want a genocide Starlo fight, this mod apparently adds that: https://gamebanana.com/mods/517453
I also remember seeing some trailer videos for a UTY mod called "Dust Devil" on youtube a while back that was going to make it so that whether you fought Ceroba or Starlo was determined by whether or not you shot first in the duel with Starlo, but I'm not sure anything ever came of that.

>>716011254
this looks like a genocides shitpost image.

>>716011594
>>716011602
I had an idea for a custom fight myself where he'd begin to utilize tropes seen in the western films from the surface he had collected.
Shame I haven't a clue on where to even begin to code that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AUf_yGq6rU

>>716010172
It should have been a Vs. Feisty Five battle. The one we got in the game was a very good concept that sadly went nowhere.

look who has to imitate mario

>>716011851
>the feisty four were obviously holding back cause clover's a child
>no starlo in that fight
>interrupted as they were about to get to their tougher attacks
really is a concept that should've been "done properly" with genocide.

>>716009114
Nothing is ever perfect anon.
At least despite it's one-off nature and questionable parts you found enjoyment in it. It's the reason there's a handful of devs lurking these threads.

>>716012373
>lurking
we actively post updates here when we have them... when

>>716012432
well here is an update, I've been messing with sprites this week for DRY, trying to make the cast a bit more unique, like different clothes for sadie and chujin and martlet having longer hair
I've also added running anim to cole and kanako, as well as that sprint you get if you run for more than a second like in DR

>>716012783
here is the running animation (this room is still incomplete hence no purple outlines yet)
I've also changed the sprites to use a custom shader to show those outlines when needed instead of overlaying a sprite on top like before, and this shader also allows me to make the sprites glow instead of dimming like when selecting a target in battle

>>716012783
the sprites look nice
>as well as that sprint you get if you run for more than a second like in DR
neat, for 2 im sticking with static run speeds since kanako's dash is a puzzle ability.
not looking forward to the eventual sprinting sprites, since thats another condition i have to add to the animator.
>>716012913
>I've also changed the sprites to use a custom shader to show those outlines when needed instead of overlaying a sprite on top like before
should probably do it like that too, didnt even consider a shader for it.

>>716012783
>long hair Martlet
Cute, and a fairly subtle way to show she's a bit older than is in UTY

>>716012783
I'm gonna have to be the voice of dissent here. Chujin's eyes look bad, and while long hair Martlet isn't bad I think thee short hair looks better and fits her personality more.

>>716014728
>Chujin's eyes look bad
think it would be better to do it like this then? I always thought this was kinda him looking down instead of straight ahead though

>>716008840
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>>716009114
It’s a slow thread because /v/ doesn’t give a shit about Starlo or Smellow unless if it’s to coom to the donut steele fox and her daughter that appeared for 2 seconds

>>716014997
no its just because there is no undertale or yellow in the thread title or OP so people haven't found it

>>716015075
and if there was we'd get nuked.

I know UTY doesn't have a naming screen or anything so the topic doesn't really come up as much, but what would a UTY hard mode look like?

>>716012373
Only 1 UTY dev might have been here (Ceroba’s creator), and I doubt someone like that would want to be here for long

>>716014938
Yes, that looks a lot better. Remember we're viewing him from above, so from out pov he should be looking slightly down.

>>716015171
There was a guy working on a hard mode mod for UTY here, but I think he quit.

>>716007790 (OP)
Male Characters being powerful is problematic.

>>716015250
I think that was just the artist that came up with roba's final concept rather than roba's creator, that was likely mastersword himself

I wish I could draw or at least had an artist on hand because I saw this pic the other day and wanted so badly to draw one of the bosses in my game as this, but I just couldn't manage it. All it would take is changing the color and extending the snout and it'd be him.

>>716015937
Just trace so your brain can kinda store the shapes into your drawing memory, but you need to be consciously aware of the movements you are doing and how the shapes work to form a drawing, that comes naturally to some people but not everyone

>>716015937
How is this related to UTY

>>716016828
hes likely talking about the edgy fox guy from oldentale

>>716017130
I’m not autistic enough for this

>>716017227
its a fangame made by an anon here, but I don't think the gameplay has started being made yet

I wish that there were two charge stages for the yellow soul instead of one.
A quick charge for the [BIG SHOT] and a secondary longer charge for the Justice Blast.

>>716017301
I still haven't made the engine yet. Right now (literally right now, I've got it open in another tab) I'm shopping around for sound libraries. I've already got a language and a graphics library picked out, and the graphics library also handles keyboard input.
>>716016828
He may or may not be a distant ancestor of Chujin's.
>>716017227
Yet you're posting in an Undertale fangame thread.

I need to impregnate the 'roba

>>716017916
try to not kill yourself first chujin

>>716017916
Justice will be served.

>>716007790 (OP)
So is this line of games just a big: "I hate myself" story? I don't get this obsession with people hating themselves to such a degree to make a game revolving around hating (YOU).

>>716018118
>So is this line of games just a big: "I hate myself" story?
Why do you say that?

>>716011602
How do I combine this with the Anatomically consistent Martlet mod?

Ceroba would be a way more fitting and honestly better character if she was allowed to act goofy or cartoony like the other characters in utdr instead of having to act like she's got a stick up her ass and has to act like nothing wrong in public so that nobody finds out, its sort of like how old cartoons would have every character be wacky and silly looney tunes-style while the female character has to act pretty all the time and isnt allowed to have silly expressions or behavior like everybody else

>>716018118
not really, the soul is only alluded to be the player once and its easy to miss it
yellow actually has the least amount of meta stuff compared to most fangames/stories based on UT/DR-verses, which for some may be disappointing but I was glad because almost no one can write it right (see: deltatraveler)

>>716018118
that is not what it is, thats just probably what a lot of fanfictions are about because many people in general just seem to hate themselves these days whether they realize it or not.

the game is about making decisions in a world where the characters will react to it in a way that fits them. the characters will hate or love you if you do things they hate or like and that makes the experience feel more genuine.

>>716018247
Well the big bad guy is the player in these games, yes? So isn't it self deprecating to play game in which you're evil and you are encouraged to defeat yourself?

>>716018118
UTY isnt about that, UTY is about how killing yourself is actually good and heroic even if it means that your entire species could die once the monsters get 7 souls
Deltarune IS the game about hating yourself, specifically for playing a game

>>716018108
>Human dick so good it made 'roba forget Chujin
Hot, but on the other hand it would be hotter if Martlet was the one initiating the hybrid project and take Clover's v-card

>>716018382
>Well the big bad guy is the player in these games, yes?
no, actually. Deltarune has a plot about you possibly doing things against the will of someone who is using you for an unknown plan which gets the online artists projecting all of their angst to it but (you) are not the badguy unless you make yourself the bad guy, and its up to you if you feel bad for that or relish their helplessness.

>>716018289
Man I don't know, I guess if neither of the two mods have conflicting data you should be able to just plug them both in, but I doubt that would work.

>>716018330
I think they gave her a good moment when she smashed the one screen in steamworks. it felt like a well built up to moment, but its hard to write too much silliness for someone who they wrote absolutely lethal levels of angst for. not impossible, just difficult and it shows I think

>>716017916
Rober

>>716018369
I just get the feeling there's a lot pointing to self-deprecating and self-sacrificial commentary in these games, maybe it's just some fans interpreting it that way and they're super loud about it..

Almost sounds a bit suicidal at times I wonder if it's Toby or some of the fans calling out for help or something.

>>716018330
I thought her being afraid of heights in the Steamworks was kinda silly and cute.

>>716018523
Plugging two mods at once works if they dont have conflicting data, like how it wouldnt work if both mods change the same line of code

>>716018330
Did you miss entire Steamworks segment in Pacifist? That was highlight of her character, her mask of competence was slipping up constantly. Honestly, I really like what they did with her, they played her fox traits well, she's a proper trickster character.

>>716018612
uty definitely does that and thats largely because the story is in the past of undertale where we know for a fact that the yellow soul died. they worked the endings in mind with the fact that the yellow soul "had to be dead by the end of the game" and even gave a non canon ending where you leave the underground killing everything.

I think its more about "the choices you dont make are just as important as the choices you dont make". you dont HAVE to spare the lives of the monsters, nothing is stopping you from killing them all, but nothing is stopping you from sparing them all either, you are stronger than them all so the choice is yours

>>716018382
>Well the big bad guy is the player in these games, yes?
Not necessarily. You can choose to be evil if you want but that's entirely optional. Most people play the good route and go around becoming everybody's friend. People usually only do the bad route because they want harder fights or they want to see just how bad things can get.
>So isn't it self deprecating to play game in which you're evil and you are encouraged to defeat yourself?
You don't defeat yourself nor are you encouraged to. The games encourage you to play nice, but they give you plenty of opportunities to be an evil bastard if you so choose. UT lets you kill everyone just to see what happens, UTY lets you kill everyone out of revenge for a crime one person committed, and DR lets you mind break and corrupt your player character's childhood friend into murdering her other best friend (and lets you do a very unsubtle rape allegory to her).

>>716018289
I think there is a patcher tool that fuses stuff from different data.win files as long as they dont alter the same stuff at the same time
since martlet's mod only changes her sprites it should theoretically be compatible with the feisty one

>>716018612
It's just part of the current artistic zeitgeist to attempt to subvert/deconstruct older ideas of self-indulgent fiction. It's why shit like The Last Jedi came to be.
I could go on more but it don't want this thread to get /pol/ed

>>716018715
I know, I said that, but I doubt it would work with those two mods since that mod I linked to changed stuff in the genocide route, so it's possible that the mods may have some conflict when it comes to Martlet's sprites or something.

>>716018494
I see, so it's up to personal interpretation. A lot of folks seem to delight in the self deprecation interpretation and that's a bit sad. The whole "You're your own worst enemy." thing just resonates with a lot of folks I guess.

>>716018851
Isn't the point of fiction to be a little self indulgent is life is already depressing as it is? Weird that people want to push that into games as well, but w/e.

>>716018607
>its hard to write too much silliness for someone who they wrote absolutely lethal levels of angst for. not impossible, just difficult and it shows I think
Toby has no trouble making a character like susie go from silly to serious and angsty (and viceversa, see how the mood switches nicely right before tenna's first appearance), i think the uty devs just struggle at making a mood-switch moment properly so they just kept ceroba as serious and uptight all the time

>>716018330
It's interesting to note even Carol has a quirky side to her with her obsession for tacky christmas decoration, despite how much of a bitter killjoy she appears to be.
Ceroba would have been better if she was an embarrassed weeb that tries too hard to come off as mature.

>>716018851
I dont think thats at the root of that cultural stuff because a lot of it started with ideas toby had from all the way back in the halloween hack on player choice being a driving force for the characters
>>716018893
100 percent. the state of people today is a real mess and most people really arent happy so they live out the misery fantasies through their interpretation of the art. escapism can be healthy in doses but many people get truly lost in it.
undertale itself if you play the pacifist route actually has a very solid message that ends with a reminder in character that being nice like this may not work in the real world (its phrased in a very natural way). the story has a lot about people learning to move past their failings and become stronger but again, many people revel in their own misery in real life.

>>716019001
>toby has no trouble
toby is a skilled writer, one of the things people praise undertale for the most is how consistent the character writing is. Im saying its not impossible, its just not easy to do. I dont mean as in it feels weird in the writing I mean it takes a lot of skill to pull off in a way that feels natural.

>>716018825
Fair enough, I just wanted to give this series a shot, so I just wanted a bit of insight before getting into it. I appreciate the takes.

>>716019128
see what you think of it for sure, ut itself came out 10 years ago so any fan interpretations you see of the game are often seperated by 10 years of fandom delusion, but what you'll find is a game that even if you dont personally like it, was made as a personal passion project.

>>716019041
Carol feels basically like a better executed Ceroba, even through we barely saw anything of her.

>>716019000
I can't find it now, but once I saw a video of a woman from writing circles discussing "self indulgent" books, and what I got is that trying to please the reader is treated like a sin by those circles, as something profoundly low brow.
You can also observe how many artists see pissing off your audience as a virtue for some reason (like that old blogpost from Toby).
I think this has trickled down even to nerdy spaces, just see how much people complain about "Mary Sues" and "self inserts" here in this board.

>>716019342
I've said a whole year ago that Carol was going to be Ceroba but even more miserable.
But I wasn't expecting that to go as far as Carol using a katana.

>>716018612
>maybe it's just some fans interpreting it that way and they're super loud about it..
For the main games in the series its this. UTY has some of what you described, but its meant to be a tragic story with no good ending. Plus the UTY devs were kids when they wrote it, so a lot of the problems with the ending stem from that.

>>716019342
I'm not really sure that makes sense as a comparison, since Carol and Ceroba seem like pretty different characters with entirely different reasons for doing what they do, whatever the hell Carol's doing anyway.
Carol seems like a fairly generic uptight upper-class matriarchal woman who exercises a lot of control over her family, whereas Ceroba was more of the type to do whatever her family wanted, even to their detriment.

>>716019620
>tragic story

Yeah I guess that makes sense and creators are probably putting their own angst into the art to vent a bit. Fair enough.

>>716018612
>calling out for help or something.
look man a lady with a fox tail is the literal one thing i truly want and i cant have it, no shit im not exactly going to be pleased with life and might have the annoying intrusive thought of "hey maybe i should kill myself. there might be fox women on the other side!" from time to time.

>>716019452
I really hate how anti-life some of these people seem to be, like, one must suffer constantly and if someone else is enjoying themselves, it's offensive. That's a rather ironic view of the world. These writing circles try to see themselves as virtuous, but they only seem to be acting in a selfish manner by ensuring everyone is as miserable inside as they are. What a miserable cesspool of people. lol

>>716020017
I think its a coping mechanism itself. a lot of times, miserable people dont fully acknowledge how miserable they are. they know they are miserable but they dont KNOW the misery just letting it carry them along if that makes any sense at all. kind of like how narcissists often have no actual self respect