>engages in usury
Gets kicked out of outlaw gang

But he made innocent people's lives worse.

>>716012130 (OP)
>you took a loan with these conditions, now do your part of what you signed and pay back
AIIIEE so evil *murders a whole town just to get micah out* how could he do that *comits to a huge bank robbery getting two of the gang dead and several town folks* GET OUT YOU FUCKING KI-ah sorry fella I can't say kike, get out you fucking banker you are not welcomed in our camp

>>716012750
one of the few baed moments arthur had

>>716012130 (OP)
Damn, that’s the 109th gang he’s been kicked out of.

>>716012750
>"slavery is bad!"
including debt slavery?
>"THAT'S DIFFERENT!!"

Recent events have proven that bankers are evil and he was truly the worst of the group.

>>716012130 (OP)
He did nothing wrong

>>716013646
>>716013529

>>716012130 (OP)
im sorry am I suppose to be...outaged by this ?

>>716013660
Don't take the debt if you can't pay it back, retard. You are not a child, learn some responsibility. There is no "debt slavery", nobody forced you into it. It's just your own stupidity.

>>716012750
Having absolutely no mention or discussion of the many chimpouts that Dutch and Arthur have throughout the game by the normiesphere is really concerning. They really do think people sympathetic to them deserve to get away with stuff scott free

>>716013759
Isn't a debtor making a loan that can't be collected a bigger idiot?

>>716013646
Ok, I borrowed $10,000 from you and I will give you $10,000 to pay you back.

>>716012130 (OP)
If the game had any balls, they would have written it so low honor Arthur blew his brains out for making him catch the TB.
>>716013646
Take out a loan for a degree that doesn't guarantee a job, or anything in life. for a field of study you gave no fucks about because if you did you'd have received scholarships
what is wrong with millennials

>>716013905
Wouldn't confiscation of everything you own and jailing you, till you pay it back with unpaid labor counts as debt collecting?

>>716012750
Why does this filter so many people? Thats the point, they are psychopathic hypocrites, and thats the worst part.

>>716012437
They would have had even worse lives without the loans

>>716014027
If that was the contract's term - sure. If it's not - don't take it if you don't like it.

>>716012750
Strauss embodied a certain type of cowardice that Arthur sees as unbecoming. Not only does he pick vulnerable people, like widows with kids, but the whole issue with usury is that the interest accrues at an unpayable rate. So he hunts out people who can't defend themselves, have no money, and then gives them a loan with conditions that can't be met. Arthur and co see it as more 'fair' if they're taking a little bit from a lot of people, robbing the rich, other peoples' ill-gotten gains, or if they at least shoot at them. Strauss is predatory even by their standards. He also sadly represents the future - and that's what scares Dutch and Arthur the most.

>>716013905
well he gets them collected by muscle so clearly they could pay him back

>>716014136
They can always say no the the loan

>>716014136
So essentially high IQ banditry vs low IQ banditry
Nice

>>716012750
>Loan requires more to pay it off than actually taken
>This literally requires currency to be created within the system out of nowhere
>Incentivizes economic activity without production (service based economies, etc, stock markets)
>Ends up with a bunch of people being 'super rich' while their nation can't even build a fucking car anymore
Look at the UK, they can't even make steel anymore, which is something medieval kingdoms enjoyed as a triviality.

>>716012130 (OP)
That outlaw gang sees themselves as Robin Hoods. Stealing from the rich is the one piece of moral high ground, or at least plausible deniability they had and Strauss was targeting the poor and helpless. He doesn't belong in Dutch's gang

>gets kicked out
>but still stays loyal to them

>>716014048
You think Strauss could have his debtors jailed? Do you really believe he was operating within the confines of the law?
His loan terms must've been doing some incredibly underhanded shit if he couldn't run a legitimate loan office in the 18 fucking hundreds

jews
>>716000000

>>716013905
I don't think being extorted by gang members was in the terms

>>716013905
Cool it with the antisemitism, we know those students can't pay back their loans we just want to ruin their lives. We can always print more money.

>>716014965
>Poor fuck, failure parents who can't afford to pay for shit
>Braindead retard child who for some reason wants to go into an adult daycare university, because he is too infantile to be on his own just yet
Those students should be killed, they are useless dregs of society.

>>716015440
>Poster rubs hands furiously
>How DARE those goyims accept loans we happily give out, knowing they cannot be repaid!
>TEXTBOOK ANTISEMITISM!
>The loans could be paid back in my mind...

>>716014056
That's the apparent point but doesn't seem to be the authors point.

>>716014303
Yes, literally yes. That's the main thread that runs throughout both games and westerns in general. Strauss is one beat of hundreds.

>>716012750
Shalom

I think extorting the woman who lives in a pig shed is poor taste

>>716015513
So, you are complaining about living in a free society, instead of being a cattle slave with no free will nor options?
Those loans are given out freely. But as conscious adult, it's your responsibility to read trough the loan's term and estimate if you can pay it back or not, if it's worth for your or not.

West is a place of brain-dead, irresponsible, whine man-children. Perhaps indeed, you should be shackled, your tongue cut out and you treated as a slave. Like in the good old days.

>>716012130 (OP)
How many gangs, Tone?

>>716015682
If she is retarded enough to take the loan - fuck her.

>>716015692
A lot of people accuse others of being Indian here on /v/, but I know without a shred of doubt that you're one of them.

Reflect on how easily you were outed and repent.

>>716015767
Extorting the mentally feeble is in even worse taste

>>716015440
>>716015692
shalom.

>>716015767
>fuck her
literally - have sex with the pig shed lady

>>716015513
Those poor innocent gentiles, the cunning Jew snuck up and thrust a bag of money in their hands and they were trapped.

>>716012130 (OP)
I never had any idea how this guy was even supposed to run a loan operation when he would regularly have to drop everything and leave at a moments notice every time his gypsy gang would get run out of town. How does he even find clients living in the wilderness? Sit outside the local bank and wait until someone walks out sulking?

I don't get this guy

>>716015807
So, for an American retard India is the only country where English is not a native language? Got it.
>>716015837
Shalom, goy!

>>716015965
Has nothing to do with your English, or at least not your grammar and syntax. it's the specific attitude and words. You can't possibly hide who you are.

>>716012130 (OP)
>toad face
>peculiar eye/ear level
>money grabber

hmmmmm

>>716012130 (OP)
this did happen at a point in the game where members of the gang were leaving/dying due to rising tensions, so part of me feels that while arthur still disliked strauss, he didn't hate him enough to have him caught up in whatever bullshit was inevitably going to happen so he forcefully kicked him out. it's not like he detests swanson for bailing and even understands why he'd do so to an extent, so it's not like he bears a grudge against the people who do leave

>>716012750
>with these conditions
Here's the thing. He didn't disclose the conditions

>>716016064
This is even more retarded and makes zero sense. I gave you too much credit thinking that you latched to my shitty grammar. But you are just a mentally ill schizo.

>>716015925
Shalom

>>716016613
Jew: Hey, goy, here, have a gun. Do you want to shoot yourself in the leg with it?
Goy: Uhhh... YAAAS!
*Grabs a gun, BANG*
Goy: AAAAA! THE JEWS WRONGED ME! AAAA! THE KIKES!

>>716016732
Shalom

>>716013759
>actually its ok that we can give kids six figure loans that cant be bankrupted and accrue interest
>its not manipulative at all that their whole world is school up to that point and they have very little real world experience, and will obviously take it every time

cowboys couldnt even imagine being this evil

>>716016195
>He didn't disclose the conditions
Are you just going off of gut feeling or is there a point in the game that tells you this? Because a loan contract of
>pay me back plus "some" interest, just whenever you feel like it
sounds pretty far-fetched to me

>>716016732
>here's a gun to defend myself, I'll come get it back later
>ok, thanks!
Two weeks later
>where's my fucking gun, goy?
>oh, it's in the safe. Give me a minute to go get it
>FUCK YOU *shoots him in the leg*

>she compared giving a load to someone in poverty to someone shooting themselves

>>716016732
>How could hamas do this?

>>716014425
>brainlet waxing poetic about how advanced they used to be and how far we have le fallen
it's cheaper to build a car elsewhere, but more than that, there are still cars built in the fucking UK; why even make such a ridiculous statement?

>>716016867
>Kids
>18+
Western degeneracy. I avoided debts when I was even younger, knowing that my ass will be whopped if I don't pay it back, and I could not possibly pay it back with a part time job.

>>716016936
Is there a point in the game that tells you otherwise? Why would he need to run with outlaws if his contracts were above board? Let me remind you that the standards for fair business were fucking abysmal back then

>>716015956
FUCK OFF YOU TOOL!

>>716016613
>>716016852
small white penis

>>716012130 (OP)
Benjamin button looking ass nigga

>>716017159
>Why would he need to run with outlaws if his contracts were above board?
To enforce the contract. What kind of stupid question is this? Banks have muscle to enforce their contracts too, they're called debt collectors.

>Is there a point in the game that tells you otherwise?
Ah ok so gut feeling it is then

>have thousands of dollars in my pocket, more gold i haven't even cashed in yet, can go do any number of things for even more money
>have turned the camp into a den of excess
>can ride into saint denis at any time and gorge myself on prime rib and big tit baths
>ARTHUR SON YOU NEED TO GO BEAT UP A GUY FOR 14 DOLLARS RIGHT NOW YOU DON'T DO ENOUGH FOR THE CAMP SON
>*checks camp ledger*
>Dutch donated 3 boogers, a toenail clipping, and a twig
>Hosea donated 10 cents
uninstalled in chapter 4

>>716017020
>it's cheaper to build a car elsewhere
They they should sell those cars there
instead they want the money of the first world but the slave labor of the third

>>716012130 (OP)
Where do I get specs like that bros

>>716017374
Lchaim Lchaim shalom.

>>716016732
this is the last two thousand fucking years of European elite history the problem stems from everyone being fucked over by it

>>716017818
So, whites are just extremely retarded.

lending out loans with insane interest rates is undoubtedly immoral.
they shouldn't have even kicked him out of the gang, he should have been hung from a tree.

Jews like him are the reason why the holocaust happen.

>>716013646
The product being sold (college) is largely a scam. Why can't the government just take the payment for the loans out of the colleges' endowments? It was fraudulently earned anyway, so it's not like they have any right to keep it, and confiscating it wouldn't violate rule of law.

>>716013849
Dutch is introduced with everyone discussing how he shot a woman in the fucking face for literally no reason.

>>716018038
>It was fraudulently earned anyway,
how

>>716017020
>Just compromise the long-term wealth and power of your nation for MY short term profits, GOY
And they wonder why they get kicked out of every nation they have ever entered.

>>716018070
And yet nobody ever mentions this (in normie discussion)! That is what puzzles me, since the community always gushes over little details when they are wholesum and relatable, but actually relevant information like this gets sweeped under the rug
BTW, as someone who played rdr1 first, I wasn't surprised in the slightest after seeing him do the same thing with the female teller during the bank heist sequence. I wonder if he did it out of similar spite as well...

>>716013646
>1: You handed out a loan to someone you know cannot pay it back
>2: Accept your losses and perform more ethical and logical business

>>716017960
It's less about it being immoral and more about the fact that it was a gang of robbers and killers passing that judgement - like yeah, they could have hanged Strauss for being immoral, but they would've had to hang every single man there other than Pearson first for doing way worse

>>716018346
>to someone you know cannot pay it back
They agreed to pay it back.

>>716017546
>To enforce the contract
To enforce the contract beyond acceptable measures

>>716018495
They 'agreed' to pay it back in the same way you 'knew' they wouldn't be able to.
If you're going to be a manipulative little kike, don't be shocked when 'le goyim' return the favor.

>>716018264
Because college is largely a scam.

>>716018495
And you believed them?
Come on. Strauss knew exactly how capable of paying back the loan these people are and if not he's probably the worst loan shark on the planet

>>716018884
>Pathetic excuses how it's totally the lender's fault, not yours for being a retard
Are you not disgusted by yourself?

>>716018960
>Pathetic excuses on how parasitic subhumans aren't the problem and normal people are actually the issue
This is why you keep getting kicked out of nations, have you tried acting normal for a change?

>Don't mind me, just pirating this loan

>>716018318
Gamers are retarded and Rockstar can't write for shit. They clearly just want to write a movie but much like other westoids they know they'd suck at that too. So instead they write this crap and fill in the middle with psychotic displays of violence and retarded shit like Dutch and the gang overthrowing an entire foreign country.

When you call them in it their faggot fans play the "ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SERIOUS" bullshit card and hide behind irony and comedy.

Classic take of a shitty writer wanting his cake and getting to eat it too. Rockstar cares more about getting GOTY awards, retards buying shark cards, and animating horse assholes squeezing out turds than ironing any shit out.

>>716019005
If those are the "normal" humans, then they are no good for anything but slavery and all of their rights taken away. You were given a predatory loan, use your fucking brains. Don't have any? - society is not obligated to baby every single retard. Get fucked, low IQ subhuman.
Acting "normal" means being a retarded pig wallowing in its own shit? No thank you. That's why whites will always be goys.

Even beyond the fact that Arthur literally murders people and in fact was the one who killed the guy with TB, he also could have just told him to eat a dick since Arthur was third in rank in the game and didn't have to listen to him like he's his boss.

robbing and shooting people is based and romantic
tricking people into slowly bleeding out is cringe and gay

>>716019178
>OY VEY WE DID NO WRONGDOINGS
>IS ZE GOYIMZ FAULT WE ARE EVIL!

>>716012130 (OP)
He was based on Rockstar CEO Strauss Zelnick, RDR2 Devs did not want to turn online into endless micro transactions. Yes, he is part of the little cap alliance.

>>716019228
Yes, it's your fault that you are retarded. Own it like a man, emasculated, micropenis sissy.

>>716019293
>B8

>>716019314
So, as the last resort, the disgusting, retarded pig squeals "bait" at something he can't argue with.
You are a subhuman and you disgust me. Even your beloved Hitler will send you to a labor camp at best, and into the furnace at worst.

>>716018495
i know youre trolling but typically when you give out a loan to someone for the purposes of investing in them or their business, it comes with some risk since they can declare bankruptcy if that whatever they needed the investment for doesn't pan out. at that point they cannot pay back the loan and are not legally required to either, since they declared bankruptcy

what makes student loans truly devious is that you can't declare bankruptcy on them. boomers changed the rules of how loans work so they could suck the lifeblood out of younger generations

>get a degree
enjoy indentured servitude to boomers
>don't get a degree at all
enjoy having no job because the boomers fucked the economy

really a bit of a lose-lose situation. though recently i guess now zoomers are going into trades to be unemployed there instead, or are just afk in base. either way they aren't really paying their loans off or going to college. its funny how the whole college loan thing should be the easiest business ever because you're overcharging impressionable kids who don't know any better, but they still fucked it up and colleges are failing now lol

>>716019414
>Keeps b8ing

>>716019453
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND
>ITS THEIR FAULT FOR NEEDING A LOAN TO GET A GOOD JOB, WHILE WE ALSO SHIP ALL JOBS OVERSEAS OR TO JEETS
>WE ARE NOT EVIL, THE GOYIMZ ARE!
>MEMBER THE HALL OF COST?

>>716012130 (OP)
>I may be a killing, robbing, raping, kidnapping mass-murderer but at least I don't LEND MONEY to people. Jesus christ, get the fuck outta here you disgusting sunuva bitch

>>716019191
Arthur could have also just lied about going to Strawberry or even paid the sheriff to hang Micah in an expedited fashion and prevent literally everything that happened. He's just a fucking retarded thug. He really did deserve to expire on that hill gasping for air.

>>716013437
sounds like the gangs need to learn to be tolerant.

>>716019623
he is an honest depiction of self-righteous retardation that is so common in America

>>716012750
loan shark is bad, killing people is good and honorable and very much recommended, learn the difference, bigot!

>>716018318
I think it's because for alot of (normie) discussions it happens off screen and the impact it had on the family is "minimal". Hell the Gang's reaction to the girl dying is more out of shock that Dutch shot someone, and less out of sympathy for the girl that's now dead. You also don't see it happen, it's off screen so Dutch shooting that girl seems a little less real since you have to imagine it, and it seemingly doesn't seem like something he did because he doesn't act like a guy who would do that (at least for the time being). Also, real world feelings on things come into play where murder isn't seen as the worst possible thing to do. Now if they said Dutch raped a girl, then people would NOT have gotten attached to him whatsoever

The gang (and the community) is willing to try and brush it to the side as just a fuck up because they're attached to Dutch in some way or form, and experience the moments in the game that trys to show you Dutch "Ain't really that bad, look at how cool he is and how he's havin' fun with the Gang n shit!"
>He fucked up there, but alot more shit is going on right now to focus on that, and there's history between us and he's trying to do good shit right now so I can forgive it.

Legit, you hang out with someone long enough and get attached, you'll try and excuse the bad things they did, or ignore them kind of, which is what the normies can end up doing.

>>716018276
can you actually explain how assembling parts of a car somewhere else (lets ignore that parts are still made domestically, just some parents arent) compromises the long term power of your nation?

>>716018572
You know the bank can take your home, your possessions, throw you in jail, and shoot you if you resist too right?

>>716020076
Hmmm, so picrel, essentially?

>>716020478
Outlaws will do all that and more to a compliant victim

>>716020763
How do you do "more" to a person than shooting them dead and taking all their shit?

>>716020880
Raping them before you shoot, and after too.

>>716020150
>How is offshoring jobs bad for your nation, GOY
Oh I dunno.

>>716018915
If you knew it was a ‘scam’ then why did you take it ?????

Thw blame lies not with the Jews entirely but the boomers who told their kids college was the most imporant thing in the world.

>>716020880
Torture, then kill

>>716021016
American manchildren don't realize that without abusing 3rd worlders, they will actually be forced to work, there will be no welfare and the pay will be low, not the excessive, lavish paychecks Americans are used to.

>>716018915
My family is rich and I wanted to fuck sorority girls.

>>716021062
>bro you didn't fall for the scam, so why are you trying to prevent others from falling for it? You don't gain anything from that.

>>716021159
Why did I always think that my parents are morons for suggesting college to me? And you just blindly followed their yapping.

>>716020924
>>716021190
If you can show me a time the VDL gang raped a debtor before killing him I will concede that Strauss did not disclose the full conditions of the loan

>>716021516
https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ

This happens before Hosea's death.

>>716021516
I can tell you the gang did engage in acts of torture.
How about you show me these fair terms Strauss gave for his loans

>>716021016
but you dont actually want to grapple with that. without offshoring the jobs, most wouldnt have access to more things that we consider basic, like cars that dont run like dogshit, like phones that aren't fucking utter trash. but im sure you'd be okay with a select few having unattainable amenities and having americans work fucking manual labor jobs for mediocre pay

Herbert Moon was right

>>716022297
>I can tell you the gang did engage in acts of torture.
Yes but the threat of violence is the bare essentials for loan sharking, that's literally how it works. It would be known that Strauss would send someone to break the kneecaps of people who default on their loans because everyone who Arthur deals with the first thing they say is "I don't have the money please don't break my knees"

>>716021873
Nice try fella but I've got hyperlink thumbnails on

>>716023348
funny how a joke character hyperbolizing real life extremes is now a legitimate representation of a boomer
social media rotted the brains of every 40+ yo shit's insane

>>716023005
>You NEED 85 IQ BROWNOIDS TO SURVIVE, GOYS!
>YES WE KNOW YOU BUILT A GIANT FUCKING DAM AND WENT TO THE MOON IN THE MID 1900's!
>FUCK YOU! YOU NEED INFERIOR PEOPLE!

>>716012750
it's called Red Dead Redemption anon, not Red Dead always was a nice guy who never did nothing wrong. Arthur was a murderer who was the literal tool of the guy engaging in usury, and in the end that exact behavior is what killed him. it isn't until he's close to death that he realizes how shitty they all have been, and the talk of the "the good ol days" of helping people was wishful thinking

>>716012130 (OP)
What's that? A hundred and nine? Surely you jest, that's just way too many!

>>716023583
>social media rotted the brains of every 40+ yo shit's insane
Social media has fucked the brains of YOUNG people way more than it has even SNIFFED the brains of the 40+, you vapid retard.

>>716024273
not even close to true, look at any AI slop post on facebook bozo

>>716023583
God, I wish boomers were famous for having negative opinions about jews. They american 50+ is the only demographic still spouting "greatest ally".

>>716019623
I mean that's totally in character for him. He's a self righteous retard with delusions of grandeur

>>716024093
now we're talking about immigrants all of a sudden when you were talking about something different; actually, you were talking about the opposite of immigration, which was offshoring labor and fabrication, none of which involves importing labor into your country. why is that?

Its pretty much implied that Arthur was in the wrong in that situation. He was butthurt about getting TB and ruining that family's loves and took it out on Straus. Not that Straus was a good guy, but he was no worse than any of the gang and remained loyal to the end.

>>716024812
i would agree with that framing. the gang is all scum and reprobates, arguably except a couple, but even then, even the "good" ones assist in robbery and murder. Straus isn't really all that different from any of them, Arthur just acts out because he's suddenly dying. he might in part blame Straus for contracting TB in the first place.

>>716013849
Normalfag cattle worships criminals
Didnt the summer of love show you anything?

>actual innocent black man killed by police
…
>violent criminal killed by police
Massive riots and burning down the city

Not even gonna mention how every normalfag is obsessed with gang culture, godfather or scarface. Every femoid wants a criminal boyfriend

>>716024812
Strauss was worse. A wolf in sheep's clothing is far more dangerous than a wolf showing it's fangs

>>716012130 (OP)
He made Arthur murder that man, which forced his wife into prostitution and his son to the coal mines just for his "debt" May God have mercy on his soul. Usury really is an abomination.

>I'm going to shoot you in a week. I told you first therefore it's not murder
Strauss's contracts weren't legally binding. This agreement bullshit is just that. Bullshit

>>716012750
Arthur goes on a genocidal spree on lawmen and the game's justification for it is that "oh they were working for the Pinkertons." Why do retards consider this game well written?

>>716027723
GTAchads understand ludonarrative dissonance

>>716027723
Dutch literally says it pretty early in the game
>Only the feeblest of men take jobs in the government
Killing people who works for the government or big corporations isn't immoral.

>>716014132
>retard who doesn't understand that Western society is rigged to make (((banks))) and (((governments))) rich

>>716028791
It's not the actions themselves that are wrong its just who is doing them. I would be 100% happy to be an indebted wage slave in other conditions