>lets create an isolated society of wealthy, amoral sociopaths surely that wont backfire and they wont cannibalize each other within a year

Nice thread, boyo!

>>716021241 (OP)
Also:
>drugs should be free
>guns should also be free
>and no, there's no way to get out

>>716021361
Why the fuck did he do it?

>>716021241 (OP)
Literally only Fontaine was the problem, and he was a career criminal on the surface before he ever came to Rapture

Whether or not it's realistic, if you killed him ASAP when he started getting uppity, the city wouldn't have failed

Rapture is such a stupid idea. It's cool, but it's not even that cool because you could not convince most human beings to ever want to live in a place like that, even with all the human freedoms in the world. These were all wealthy industrialists too. Yeah I'd much rather live in 24/7 underwater darkness in a confined freezing city with limited escape routes, than fuck whores and do cocaine in my 1940s penthouse overlooking NYC.

>>716021479
Oirish, please understand
Remember the 26 million dead from the tato famine

>>716021241 (OP)
it's amazing how nobody ever considers having all these "top class" people in one place means none of them want to do the dogshit work that needs doing, or that they're all the special main character so why the fuck should they bother with other people

>>716021536
>you could not convince most human beings to ever want to live in a place like that, even with all the human freedoms in the world.

One of the biggest reasons Ryan, and others took to living in Rapture, is because they feared global nuclear war. It was intentionally a breakaway/contingency civilization in response to the atomic bomb, first, and an objectivist paradise, second.

>>716021505
This, it's unrefutable it's Fontaine

>>716021241 (OP)
The only game I can say i only play it for the atmosphere. I love underwater cites

>>716021241 (OP)
But everything went fine until a trade union ran by a mobster decided to usurp control for himself?

>>716021749
Yep. Like I said, it's not realistic that the problems would stem from that *one* guy, but within the fictional scope of the game, Fontaine is basically the sole problem.

>>716021241 (OP)
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>>716021690
it wasn't meant to be coherent or rational, it's just to provide a setting, backdrop and location for the game to happen

>everyone is insane and murderous, yet somehow accomplished building the equivalent of NYC underwater
>why and how?
Because we wrote it that way.
Now shush and go play the game.

>>716021690
They really don't make this clear in the game. Let me guess, it's from the book?

>>716021505
It was Fontaine plus Adam. Yeah, there were some cracks when they imported famous tennis players and had them cleaning up dirty bathrooms, but that was manageable. They just needed a source of manual labor rather than yet another intellectual/athlete. Adam however made people into crazy addicts and Fontaine got rich off of the trash fire.

>>716021846
They assembled an entire coherent novel about it all, fag

>>716021361
I cant believe this handsome irishman betrayed us...

>>716021241 (OP)
if you add that there's also a population of drooling 50 IQ retards that will never bother you then this is just america

There was a Bioshock thread that hit bump limit a while back. It was nothing but people arguing like it fucking happened or something.

>>716021867
What? It's like one of his (Ryan's) very first audio diaries you find in the game, and he makes it blatantly clear. To be fair though it is only defined in 1 audio diary IIRC and not referenced otherwise, but it is plainly stated where/when it is.

raptures downfall was incredibly forced, and levine really character assassinated ryan with regards to him just going full retard against a random mook who somehow takes over rapture in a turf war

>>716022023
luh mao

>>716021936
this guy (>>716021846) is actually right. In one of the dev interviews with dorito pope, levine outright says the idea of putting the game in an enclosed space came first. Since they just came fresh off of making System Shock 2, they didn't want to put it in a spaceship. One of the environment designers suggested an underwater city and the teamliked the idea, but had no justification for why it would be there. Levine was reading fountainhead at the time and blurted something about egomaniacal rich people forming a refuge away from the masses and everyone just went with it. I was surprised how honest he was that the whole objectivism thing was a backhanded solution to a design problem with no actual interest to explore the themes at first

really makes you think

>>716021953
Ikr. Once, he even played a Choinaman for six months

>>716022204
you wouldn't get it

>>716022080
The civil war in the city was mainly a distraction for people from the main problem which is the epidemic use of ADAM. It wasn't the shooting and explosions that did the city in it was that a major portion of the populace had a genetic cancer driving them insane overtime, and that insidious problem went unnoticed or unchecked for too long when the shooting and explosions were much more pressing for people's attention.

>>716022203
You're talking about two different things. Just because Levine didn't opt to explore the philosophical depths of objectivism (probably because he's too stupid), doesn't mean a coherent and rational story isn't able to be provided. It's very obviously a case of >>716021846 didn't play the game or wasn't paying attention. Didn't understand it and then handwaves it all. Probably because like Levine, he's also too stupid for it all.

>>716022392
>a major portion of the populace had a genetic cancer driving them insane overtime, and that insidious problem went unnoticed or unchecked for too long
this also doesn't make sense either, ryan hated useless people, he wouldn't just let his entire city devolve into a drug addict hellscape.

>>716021846
the power of money, like how savage and utterly incompetent muslims hire jeet slaves with oil money to build cities for them.

>>716022657
He and others didn't properly understand the risks of ADAM until it became a problem and then it was too late. Since there wasn't a cure at the time there's no situation of "letting"

>>716021241 (OP)
Well to be fair going by everything thats known about rapture indicates it was peachy keen for the most part until akshully not fontaine showed up and threw a wrench into all of it. But you really don't need two braincells to rub together to know how nonsensical rapture is in reality both from the societal and construction problems. Rule of cool and all that

nigga you live in a COUNTRY of wealthy (broke niggas in a trailerpark are ahead of probably 80% of the rest of the world) amoral sociopaths

>>716022747
>Since there wasn't a cure at the time
Which makes you wonder why wasn't it a top priority? He had the resources and talent.

>>716021241 (OP)
Rapture fell because a Jew wrote it.
Also, magic science bullshit
I can't unwatch American Krogan's videos on this. At least 2 is still the peak.

>>716021431
>drugs should be free
>guns should also be free
I think they were okay with anyone and everyone having weapons and dangerous experimental drugs, but the free hand of the market still wanted you to pay for it

>>716022943
By the time it was becoming clear that ADAM was an existential problem, the civil war was in full swing and the bigger and more "explosive" focus. A more pragmatic leader would have done something but Ryan had his own characterized reasons to take the war personally (his ideology VS Atlas's) hence his reduced focus on the true danger

>>716023050
I meant free as in freedom.

>>716022972
>At least 2 is still the peak.

Now THERE is something we can all agree on

Unless you're a faggot

BS2 MP is the only good thing about it, but most of you nerds didn't even play it with other people.

>>716023201
I did but got frustrated by the meta. Still enjoyed it all though

The thing about Rapture that baffles me is nobody there really expected blue collar jobs to not exist. Like what the fuck do you think is going to happen, the pipes, electrical, engineering work will fix itself? There was an audio log that made mention of the pipes always freezing for example, does some rich actor or materialistic slut think it fixes itself with magic? Well shit with Adam maybe it can but even then its a big city. Ryan proposes this whole idyllic world of eternal prosperity not realizing how societies even work. And if Fontaine didnt come along someone else would have.

Wouldn't all these leaks be catastrophic? I know they actually aren't THAT deep but still.

>>716023350
Literally nobody thought that.
Hephaestus is full of people doing that work. What Mcdonagh is saying is no different than our current world.
A plastic surgeon isn't going to think about heating water to avoid freezing pipes. He calls the plumber if need be.
Some workers, like Peach were disappointed, others were just doing their job, I forget his name but I'm thinking of somebody specific. No different than our world.
Rapture fell because of ADAM (magic) and Ryan's panic causing him to betray his ideals.

>>716023350
>The thing about Rapture that baffles me is nobody there really expected blue collar jobs to not exist.

No not really. In fact there's a lesser but still definite focus upon the situation of blue collar and lower class people in the city. It's not a great life compared to the high class luxury living, but a lot of the blue collar and poorly people are still proud and happy to be able to just live in Rapture, and so are willing to put in the hard work to sustain it. In fact, that one guy in the BS2 multi shows a choice example where, his lot in life isn't great in Rapture but he's so proud to basically keep the city alive that he settles for a smaller slice of the pie. And there's indication that he isn't alone in this mindset.

The problem is when Rapture became not a fantastical place to live, with the civil war, that the lower class people stopped valuing the sacrifice.

Can somebody explain to me which of the game's retarded masterminds came up with the Splicing business model? Because letting random idiots murder your harvesters, and then building vending machines which specifically service poachers seems like the dumbest marketing strategy ever.

>>716023385
A single leak would be enough to cave the whole system implosion style in just a few hours.

So it begs the question, did the leaks just start a few minutes before you came into the city?
Or are the leaks completely unrelated to the structurally integrity and are just random water pipes.

>>716023385
Largely depends on whether Rapture is under pressure. I mean it has to be under some, but it's never clearly stated how close to equal the pressure in the city is, and probably for intentional reasons to make the writing and setting depiction easier.

>>716021361
Not a coincidence a paddy fucked up the utopia.

Where would a hypothetical Bioshock 4 have been set? Vast underground Hollow Earth city?

>>716023385
Yeah but in the meantime it looks neat

>>716023684
>but a lot of the blue collar and poorly people are still proud and happy to be able to just live in Rapture
NTA. I can't take this seriously because Rapture was always intended to only have the very best, and if there's anything rich people can't cope with, is being poor.

>>716021241 (OP)
>lets create an isolated society of wealthy, amoral sociopaths surely that wont backfire and they wont cannibalize each other within a year
Hey, it worked before.

>>716023635
ADAM isn't magic, it's from the demiurge. Small difference narrative but it is an important difference.

>>716023823
space colony was the obvious pick.
never would have happened: retro-future rome
would be cool and reasonable: another alt-history country in the spirit of BSI

>>716023861
Ryan intended Rapture to include the very best, but he did always envision an entire city, accommodating the highest to the lowest. It's just that he wanted the best in all fields. So like, the worlds best plumbers and welders, as well as the magnates of industry and celebrities.

>>716021241 (OP)
>>716021431
think of how much fun it would be to live in a city like that
just powering up yourself with plasmids and fighting for glory

>>716024006
source or bullshit

>>716023861
ryan believed in meritocracy at its core

>>716024006
Hey wait a minute that sounds familiar.

>>716023863
They're in the cannibalizing stage

>>716024115
Yes, but it took over 200 years

>>716024048
His relationship and employment status with Bill McDonnagh. Also he often gives in his grand speeches, accounts for the common/lesser of society, the "everyman". You can say he was lying and maybe he was, but there is extant talk of it

>>716023819
You racist prick it wasn't a "paddy" it was a wop

>>716024048
ryans backstory you brainlet

>>716023974
Yeah a space colony would have been rad, especially if it was modeled after funky 70s concepts. Very distinctive and cool visual look and a way to completely avoid retreading System Shock territory.

>>716024328
>You racist prick
>it was a wop

>>716021846
>What is Dubai

I've never fully understood how the Rapture Central Council worked

>>716021361
>literally forgotten after halfway of the game

Why is it so hard for the rich to not act evil and hedonistic?

>>716026651
IIRC it's basically a board of some size, say 10, and to have a seat on the board means you're of the top 10 highest earning/producing companies in the city. And collectively they debate and vote on governance and measures

>>716021361
What was his plan anyways? Ya see at first I figured he was gonna take some cool tech they invented in Rapture, sell it and live the high life up above, but then he decided to turn himself into some sort of roided up hulk so...did he intend on becoming like a King of the Crackheads or something?

>>716032414
Think he just started splicing at the last minute because he was cornered didn't he

>>716032414
At first he just simply wanted to take control of Rapture. Then unexpectedly, his plan to kill Jack off didn't work and Jack came gunning for him, so in an emergency hail mary gambit, he started splicing up to an absurd degree. Notably he does tell you that he never touched ADAM before that moment.

And in the process of splicing up in an effort to fight back against Jack, he didn't plan on splicing and ADAM feeling and experiencing like ultra-heroin. After that, his (insane) plan is to basically just turn Rapture into an ADAM farm to siphon all of it into him. He probably would have ended up like Alex the Great, in BS2 eventually. Just some massive ADAM blobster.

>>716022204
>that pic
lmao ain't that the truth

>>716024709
Space station with 70s aesthetics?

Try Prey (2017).

>>716023823
On like a giant train or a ship? Something like Snowpiercer

Within someone(s) mind, like a mentalscape city? Something like Inception

A miniaturized space, like a city in a snowglobe, but there's portions where you're in the normal world and tiny?

A normal city but you can travel backwards and forwards in time, and the city is appropriately different in layout and design based on the time period?

Who knows...

>>716021241 (OP)
Yeah the city is deliberately flawed. Andrew Ryan literally ignored his own principles of "letting people be" because he wanted power and control and the system was abused by a different person who is essentially a conman.

>>716035031
In that one specific example though, that con man very probably would have run the city into the ground. If the city faced some live-or-die tier threat then principles should have been put on pause.

>>716035181
The city was already being run to the ground tbf, even without plasmids the conditions were pretty bad for everyone that wasn't wealthy

>>716035735
For the very poor yes, but for low class and blue collar shlubs it was better than the surface, apart from the inherent differences like lack of space and sunlight.

>>716035840
>but for low class and blue collar shlubs it was better than the surface
I don't think I've seen any of that when I played, but the last time I played Bioshock was around 4 years ago and Bioshock 2 even longer ago. Do they talk about it in the audio logs or is it like "honey I am writing to the surface after I have just arrived to Rapture it's such a nice city and the sights are something to behold"

>>716021241 (OP)
man i wish this game still worked on modern systems. the remaster also doesnt work

>>716035939
All we have to go on are audio diaries since basically all of the games are post-war, but the average joe shmoes seem decently content to happy. There's things to complain about, but the fruits of Rapture exceed anything on the surface because of the concentration of talent and advanced science/tech. It is undoubtedly and unfairly stacked in favor of the upper class who live incredible lives of luxury, but even the scraps the low class get are some amazing things.

We could also look to Burial at Sea, if we're masochistic enough, but it shows functioning Rapture and even in "average" areas of the city the place is pretty grand and high living for the common man compared to the surface. Maybe unrealistically so, but then it's a fictional setting.

>honey I am writing to the surface after I have just arrived to Rapture

There's definitely a few audio diaries which directly compare life with the surface, from the perspective of a working class person. Some negative, some positive, so we can't just blanket assume Rapture was a miserable place for everyone except the upper class.

>>716035735

It feels like people only remember the bitching and moaning of characters from the Fisheries in 1 and Pauper's Drop in 2 and assume that's what all life is like for all the poors in the city. This is dumb because both of those areas are extreme examples. Pauper's Drop being the absolute lowest of the low which is undeniably a shitty place to be yet is basically a homeless camp, and the Fisheries being stacked with disgruntled toadies who Fontaine intentionally riled up and enticed to crime.

>let's create an isolated and technologically advanced city-state in the sky full of white supremacists and exploited black/irish blue collar workers, surely they won't try to kill each other because of class inequality within a year

>>716036015
retard

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>>716021241 (OP)
Sounds like your average amerimutt city if you dont count the innovation part.

>>716021241 (OP)
System Shock was a better series, but Rapture was the coolest Shock setting.
>Underwater city
>Retro future
>Everyone is going nuts with self-genetic modifications
I feel there should be more mutated horrors though. The Many managed more horrifying shit than Rapture's population and they were only trying to help.

>We will create a Heaven, where you're free to be who you are - without the restrictions of those that seek to curb your existence.
>Invite Irish "people"

>>716024709
>Yeah a space colony would have been rad
They did that with System Shock 1 though. They should do something different.

>>716039197
>but actually the leader of the oppressed revolution movement didn't lose herself in hate for her oppressors and go too far
>she was pretending to so she could sacrifice herself and her movement to benefit the character development of the very symbol of the city that treated her and her people like slaves

>>716023823
Gigantic walking city.

>>716021241 (OP)
So America?

>>716040214
What are you babbling about? The moment she wins she tries to murder a literal child and had to be killed by Elizabeth.

>>716040214
>She was only pretending to be a child-killer!
I've seen some weird commie mental gymnastics, but this requires a platinum medal to be invented just for this example.

>>716040409
In Burial at Sea its revealed she struck a deal with the Lutece twins to sacrifice herself so Elizabeth can grow from the experience of killing someone or some shit. In reality its a retcon to walk back showing a black revolutionary leader in a bad light likely because some retards on neogaf complained about it.

>>716021867
Loading screen quote and the book, as far as I know.

It’s pretty funny that you don’t know if it’s a chud or a leftoid tranny calling Ken Levine a hack
Chud a hate him because he’s a jew and made Bioshock Infinite
Trannies hate him because Bioshock 2 was shitting on communism and Bioshock infinite went both sides are le bad

>>716042294
Oh, that's really gay, but understandable the retard writers would do that because it was made at the start of the far leftist nonsense.

>>716043010
>directionbrain babble

>>716023823
Antarctica
city was formed through weather control to make it a chilly but entirely habitable utopia, however now someone or something has hijacked the weather controls and now there’s whiteout blizzards
instead of American art deco styling I want a mix of Austrian/German/Swiss alpine towns on the surface and Eastern European brutalism underground

>>716021479
Plasmids. And thus an opportunity to become godlike. It all went to shit when they discovered plasmids.

>>716021241 (OP)
> game came out 19 yrs ago
fuuuuck.. I remember discussing it with a chick on myspace