Thread 716027439

>dude, dude it's crazy how mgs2 predicted the future dude
Are people really serious about this shit or just memeing? All these themes had already been thoroughly explored in literature by the mgs2 came out. Mgs2 pretty much fits in the zeitgeist of the 90s engaging with topics and concerns that people were debating that time and it honestly has nothing unique to say.

>>716027439 (OP)
the funniest thing in the MGS games to me is they have smart guns, which dems have been trying to push on Americans since the early 90s, and everyone fucking refuses to ever buy them

>>716027439 (OP)
Thing, Kojima

>>716027439 (OP)
And you have nothing unique to say, yet you typed anyway

i think the reason it impresses people is that the themes were explored in a videogame and that it came out in 2001 on top of it. it wasnt a film or a book. If the message was conveyed in a movie or a book many people never would have watched it or read it, but exploring the themes in a videogame was unprecedented for the most part outside of a handful of other games. it also combined a lot of separate talking points into one package. so it was good for getting people to think about some stuff they may not have otherwise or much earlier. today i dont think they would do it for one reason or another. cant explain why just my gut feeling that a lot of the topics would hit to close to home today and somebody would say no we cant put this stuff in for whatever reason.

>>716027439 (OP)
Kojima invented the Y2K incident

>>716027439 (OP)
it's specifically the "creating context" bit of the patriots monologue i'm pretty sure

People say kojima invented corona these days lmao

It's not a meme sadly. Hideo Kojima has a cult-like fanbase that think a cinematic experience with political commentary is evolving the video game medium.

>>716028848
I never knew Kojima made metal gear. Is metal gear as good as ZoE?
>https://youtu.be/7uruY3NQs4I

>>716027439 (OP)
what literature

>>716028848
its more like kojima isnt really transparent where he gets his philosophy from and a lot of normgroids arent aware of baudrillard

No it was pretty ahead of its time. Also videogames weren't a serious medium back then either

Credit is where credits due

>>716027439 (OP)
it still did it

>>716029118
Kojima is only a producer on ZoE.
Noriaki Okamura is the true creator of ZoE.

>>716027439 (OP)
Philosophical ideas in a dry analytical essay is different than exploring themes through plot and characters.

>>716027989
the echo chamber shit was also pretty ahead of its time i think, because social media was still in a much more primitive light hearted form that just didnt have much arguing period. im sure in the early 2000s and the late 90s people were arguing about shit on forums and such, but the entire concept of people retreating into safe zones where they and other people have all the same opinions was ahead of its time and prophetic because i dont really see that as a thing that happened much back then. surely not to anywhere the same intensity as today in any case

maybe his inspiration was the japanese version of this website, may not even have been around when mgs2 was in development.

>>716027439 (OP)
so you admit it predicted the future then?

>>716027439 (OP)
>All these themes had already been thoroughly explored in literature by the mgs2 came out.
Such as? The beauty of MGS2 is that EVERYTHING it discussed has come to pass.

>>716029725
Is metal gear as good as ZoE?

>>716027439 (OP)
No no you dont understand Kojima came up with the idea of the world being controlled by a shadowy cabal of powerful men. Nobody had ever thought of that before

>>716040368
That's not even what's happening in MGS, is this a bot comment or something?

>>716040396
>is this a bot comment or something?
Worse, it's a shartynigger.
They are behind the posts making blatantly false claims in order to bait for (you)s.
The sad part is that it works every single time.

>>716040491
>Worse, it's a shartynigger.
speak like a normal human you fucking retard holy fuck, i have no idea what you're even trying to say

Kojima games used to be good but his obsession with western sharts and celebrities cause some sort of incredible troonrot to the guy.

To me Kojima will always be MGS, MGS2, MGS3. Current day Kojima is a jew

>>716040550
My apologies, I assume everyone is aware of the two sites created specifically to shitpost this site to death.
One of the two is called "The Sharty". They are the ones behind all the basedjak edits and the numerous off-topic "IS COFFEE GOOD FOR YOU" and "[sad news]" threads.
They originated from the /qa/ board that Hiroshimoot and the mods mishandles so badly, it attracted an incredible amount of third-worlders to it (which have now moved to the sharty).

>>716033462
The "echo chamber" bit is distinct from the "creating context" bit. People often conflate the SSS with the short tangent concerning echo chambers because people see what they want to see.

The SSS warns of a new dark age brought about by a deluge of information, most of which is trash (which isn't new),
and much of which is basically kept alive in perpetuity by the nature of the digital world (something relatively new at the time).
It explicitly states that the difficulty by which we need to wade through this trash to access anything of real import, meaning, or factuality, is something that threatens to doom all of civilization.
People kept (and still keep) saying how great the internet is as a means of facilitating information accessibility.
"Information accessibility", people often argue, "is inherently good".
The SSS claims otherwise, and says that we need something to curate - to weed out the trash, to filter out the noise - to "create context", lest we drown in information.

This is arguably something most people don't talk about, because people don't want to stop pretending to forget that they're deliberately drowning themselves in information every day.

>>716027439 (OP)
>>dude, dude it's crazy how mgs2 predicted the future dude
>Are people really serious about this shit or just memeing? All these themes had already been thoroughly explored in literature by the mgs2 came out. Mgs2 pretty much fits in the zeitgeist of the 90s engaging with topics and concerns that people were debating that time and it honestly has nothing unique to say.
Why would one person making the same prediction after another make the prediction false or invalid?
Or are you saying that someone who played the video game should've instead read the literature instead or before?
If so, why?

>>716040696
oh wow i actually am surprised you replied like a normal human and didnt take it personal, thank you i feel genuinely less insane knowing that there are still real people on this site
if this lore is real then that explains a lot, as my surprised reaction probably indicates i have definitely felt a more recent nosedive in quality in the past two years even more so than usual and your explanation actually would make sense

>>716040696
>They originated from the /qa/ board
I both love and hate that the inredibly deep /qa/-lore is buried completely under the sharty now. I used to be a /qa/ regular before all that shit happened and the shit the weeb mafia and /jp/ spinoffs were pulling was way more insane than the soijack spam at the end.

>>716040859
>i actually am surprised
Likewise. The responses I make are mostly me throwing out a message in a bottle in the hopes that another person receives it.
It's not too uncommon for the same people behind the shitposts to pretend to understand while undermining the message through being obtuse, so I'm glad I managed to inform at least one person.
>>716040930
It really is a shame that only the worst of the worst survived...

NIGGER

>>716027439 (OP)
>Trash data will ruin the world
Kojima predicted India getting Internet access

>>716041218
you're probably memeing but the trash data, which im pretty sure GW explicitly refers to, is all of the garbage obsession with celebrities and popculture and shit, so stuff like TMZ and E! and whatever

If MGS2 predicted the future where is my black milf with a railgun?

>>716041274
Well, I'm glad that prediction didn't come to pass.
Could you imagine most of the modern internet being used to gossip about pop-culture and celebrities? Hah! Ridiculous.

>>716041218
It's funny how in the game the AI is charging itself with curating the important data from the junk while now IRL AIslop is sharting all over the internet drowning everything in worthless shit

>>716027439 (OP)
Literally the final couple hours of MGS2. Replaying it recently was wild.

>>716027439 (OP)
Name one (1) other piece of fiction that came before MGS2 that incorporated filter bubbles, the internet as a form of information control, the role of AI, rapid accumulation of junk data, and the transfer of power from governments to whoever has their hand on the tap of the internet. Other things may have tapped on indiviudal elements there, but I don't think you'll be able to name anything that did it all in one package, made it relevant to the plot, and came immediately post 9/11 when this all got set in motion properly

>>716041274
it could just as easily be interpreted as social media like tiktok

>>716041337
Probably somewhere at the bottom of the Hudson River.

>>716027439 (OP)
Gamers don't read.

>>716041647
The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect covers a lot of this but it's not exact.

>people who play videogames are totally ignorant of other art or media
what a surprise

people talk about red dead redemption 2 like it's some amazing feat of narrative and i'm playing it right now and it's the most basic bitch hackneyed b movie shit imaginable.

>>716043102
>people who don't actually read pretend to read

>>716027439 (OP)
Not listening to a retard that leaves words out of sentences.

MGS2 is fun, based, and predictive.
You are dumb, gay, and lame.

>>716027439 (OP)
Name another game with so many themes that have only become more relevant over the course of nearly 25 years in so many ways

>>716041647
Nailed it.

Only non book readers think books covered everything before.
MGS2 really did uniquely predict a lot of the modern net. The only thing up for debate is how much credit Kojima should get VS his talented writing/translation team.

>>716027439 (OP)
it didn't predict the future, it specifically foreshadowed the sorry state of the internet before it happened. the internet went from a novel and interesting town square where creators and schizos alike could rant about anything and create content to a sanitized corporate owned shopping center where you go to have rich asshole shill products that you don't need at you 24/7 by influencing what is seen via algorithmic meddling and paid sponsorships. the internet replaced the mall. the internet is just a digital mall, and we're all mallrats.

the internet is dead, a husk of its former self, and the description of what it has become, made by the patriot AI, is pretty spot on.

>>716044475
how deep does the rabbit hole go

>>716044790
the social commentary was pretty spot on as well, definitely not a unique take, but the bits about political discourse breaking down because people could isolate themselves in their own information space for the first time.
The last 10 years have shown how truth has become meaningless and the fundamentals facts we take for granted are really just a ripple of public consciousness which is easier to manipulate than at any time in history on a macro scale

>>716041602
>>716041218
the patriots are unironically more benevolent than the shit that we have now, by a fucking mile too
>>716041635
Solidus was straight up right and while the AI is objectively the bad guy in the context in the game, see above